WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.560 What What's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:22.719 I'll take what help. 4 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:26.960 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. 5 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:30.280 This episode got somebody on that I'm very excited to 6 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:32.640 have on. It's kind of like the second time but 7 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:36.880 not Uh she's been on Headless as Mailbag, but this 8 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:40.920 is technically the Occult Rejects, so uh, yes, this is her. 9 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:43.520 First time on the Occult Rejects specifically. 10 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.439 And I'm very very to have, very very happy to 11 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:47.439 have Deborah on. 12 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:51.119 But before I introduce her, I will be introducing the 13 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:53.399 other reject that made it with us. And we got 14 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:55.840 a Headless Giant. What is going on? Sir? How are you? 15 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.600 How you doing? Everybody? Happy Sunday night? So you can 16 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.679 find me at the Headless Giant on x and on 17 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:05.560 Instagram and on YouTube. And I have a show with 18 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:09.439 Nick on Thursday nights called The Magical mail Bag where 19 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:13.480 I read through your occult slash paranormal slash dream story 20 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:17.040 experiences and you can send those emails to Headless Giant 21 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:21.640 podcast at gmail dot com. Also tomorrow, I've got Alchemy 22 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.120 Mondays coming up and we're gonna be doing some experiments 23 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.959 with a big old socks alet extractor. I recently got 24 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.400 and a vacuum pump, and we're gonna be making some 25 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:31.879 tea because I don't have any fresh air, so we're 26 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:34.959 gonna do tea at first and then we're gonna try 27 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.680 other things. So it's gonna be fun. And also Sunday mornings, 28 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.319 I'm on with Ricardo and Ethan Indigo and we do 29 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.640 the Sunday Trialogus where we bring a topic and we 30 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:47.359 discuss it. So definitely check those out. 31 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.640 Thank you, Thank you very much, sir. I appreciate you 32 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:51.280 joining us. 33 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:55.000 And yes, for the people listening again, send out if 34 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.079 you're gonna send them any email or anything. If you 35 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.359 want free stickers, send you address and I will send 36 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:01.879 you out some free stickers. 37 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:03.560 Uh. Thank you, Hellis. 38 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:09.039 And finally to the guest Deborah, Uh, please let everybody 39 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:10.960 know what you deal is. For the most part, I 40 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:12.840 am having you on because you are a medium and 41 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.599 you're into healing. And we had you on again, like 42 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:19.599 I said, for Hellless's mailbag, and you had some interesting stories, 43 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.919 but you really didn't get to talk about like what 44 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:24.439 you do, what your thing is, and I kind of 45 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:26.280 wanted to give you the chance to do that, So 46 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:28.960 please let everybody know where they can find your your stuff, 47 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:30.919 like you know, I know you have a YouTube and Instagram. 48 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.159 Let them you know, you promote yourself, tell them everything 49 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:33.800 that you. 50 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:37.199 Want, all right, So mainplace to find me is definitely 51 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:43.159 my website, so www dot Paranormal Paradigma dot com and 52 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:45.479 through there you can check me out and you know, 53 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:47.000 go through my stuff and get to know me a 54 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.639 little better. And then obviously if you want to directly, 55 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:51.719 you know, get to know me a little better, then 56 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:55.080 you go to Instagram or TikTok or threads or YouTube 57 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:56.759 and you can find me there at the same handle 58 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:00.520 at Paranormal Paradigma, and through there we can learn a 59 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:03.759 little bit about what I do. I explain some of 60 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.879 the things that I've learned and why it's important and 61 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:11.840 help people essentially connect to spirit and themselves and hopefully 62 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:17.400 the purpose is to embody their purpose. So that's kind 63 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:19.599 of what I do. So if you're interested in that, 64 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:21.360 then check me out. 65 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:26.120 Awesome, Thank you very much. Hell is were you getting 66 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:29.039 feedback on it before a little bit? 67 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:29.520 Yeah? 68 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:32.159 Yeah, for some reason, it was like a little clique, 69 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.479 But it wasn't like that when you were talking before. 70 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:35.240 Sorry about that. 71 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:40.000 Oh it's okay, all right, Debra. I wanted to know 72 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:43.199 where you got the name paranormal paradigma. 73 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:48.039 Oh yeah, So let's start from the beginning. So when 74 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.520 I started this, I wasn't a medium. So I'm going 75 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:54.319 to be real, just real, real, real with you all. 76 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.000 I've only been a medium for over a year. This 77 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.360 isn't something that I've been doing my whole life, and 78 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:05.080 like you know, have now this whole like practice around it. 79 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:08.159 I have a nine to five job, I do work, 80 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.639 but my medium skills didn't really set in until last year, 81 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:17.879 and so when I started Paranormal Paradigma, I was sort 82 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.079 of on a different path, though very similar trajectory. So 83 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.720 the reason it's called paranormal paradigma is because I really 84 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.519 do believe that we're here on Earth right now in 85 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:31.319 a paradigm shift where things like the paranormal. The idea 86 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:37.800 of the paranormal isn't entirely what I guess Hollywood or 87 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:40.279 society has made it out to be. There's a lot 88 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.879 more to the paranormal, a lot more profoundness, a lot 89 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:47.639 more death to it. That's related to the spiritual that 90 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:51.279 people I think are coming into an understanding of and 91 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.560 so I was the whole reason for paranormal paradigma was 92 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:59.680 to help people sort of come into this understanding kind 93 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:03.680 of the stigma, overcome the fear, overcome the stereotypes that's 94 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:07.120 related to the paranormal and paranormal experiences, because so many 95 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:11.199 people have paranormal or spiritual experiences and then they don't 96 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:13.639 really know who to talk to about these things. So 97 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:17.480 I figured that's where I would start, and I started 98 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:21.319 that twenty twenty three, and two years later, well, twenty 99 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:23.600 twenty four, I come into my abilities, and now twenty 100 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:27.160 twenty five, I'm keeping with the same thing, but now 101 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:30.680 at another level because I'm actually able to access the 102 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:35.720 paranormal or spiritual realm and kind of help people in 103 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:42.319 a very different way. But I'm still of the mindset 104 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.120 and of the belief that there is a paradigm shift happening, 105 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.560 and I'm kind of hoping to, like, you know, help 106 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:56.160 people through that final proNT to your consciousness pretty much exactly. 107 00:05:57.399 --> 00:05:59.560 Yeah, I was going to ask you your opinion, like, 108 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.000 what does this paradigm shift that mean to you? 109 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:08.800 It means remembering, it means awakening, it means understanding that 110 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:14.279 we're not just meat suits where a lot we're like, 111 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:18.560 we're divine entities in a physical vessel. This is just 112 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:22.959 one realm of many, and so if we can all 113 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:28.240 remember that and our true essence, this whole society and 114 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.639 this whole earth would look a whole lot different. So 115 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.480 that's what the shift is. It's more remembering. 116 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:38.959 Do you think with having that remembrance this comes like 117 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:40.519 some sort of liberation in a sense. 118 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:45.639 Well, yeah, because remembering connects you to your truth, and 119 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.199 through your truth, you are liberated. 120 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:48.319 Yeah. 121 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:51.839 No, I even just think, like, yeah, even when you 122 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.920 start to think that this is just one experience among many, 123 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.519 it's just like a wife fear the other ones, you 124 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.360 know what I'm saying, Why fear the experience? 125 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:05.600 Yeah? Yeah, and people fear. I mean essentially the very 126 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:10.759 definition or basis of fear is the unknown. Right, But 127 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.319 you won't fear things that you are aware of. You 128 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.759 don't fear what's coming. You only fear what you don't 129 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.040 know what's coming. And Jeff is one of those things, 130 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.199 or like transition, one of those things that people don't 131 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:25.079 understand because we're not essentially programmed, I guess to really 132 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:30.519 understand that we are though, capable of remembering. So that's 133 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:32.759 part of what I help people do. 134 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:36.920 Now, Hell's was there anything you wanted to ask or 135 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:38.720 say before I continued. 136 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:43.399 Oh yeah, I think in my experience, the fear is 137 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:48.399 what turns a paranormal experience from one of a comforting 138 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:51.639 or coming home or remembering to something that is truly 139 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:55.920 horrific and you know, terrible. So getting over that fear, 140 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:58.480 moving past that fear, I think is so important when 141 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:02.519 it comes to exploring these topics, these realms. So having 142 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.120 a way to assuage that, I think is really helpful. 143 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.519 The one I keep going back to is Pan. So 144 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:12.160 Pan is this god of Arcadia that is the word 145 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:15.079 for panic, right, and so he's also a god of 146 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.680 the rural countryside, and the ability to move through the 147 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:21.759 panic when he appears would be sort of like the 148 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:25.439 rights of Pan. And we think about Bigfoot and all 149 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:28.000 of these other weird cryptids in the woods that create 150 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.240 a fear in us, it's that same form of panic. 151 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.000 And the Native Americans believe that Bigfoot was a messenger. 152 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.919 He was bringing messages from the other side, or messages 153 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.000 from spirit, and in our culture he's just a big, 154 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:44.679 scary hairy monster. Right. It's because that's how we approach him, 155 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:46.360 you know. We don't approach him as a messager. We 156 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.639 approach him as this form thing. 157 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.639 Yeah, but you're absolutely right, And I love the fact 158 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.519 that you understand that the term panic really can and 159 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.759 does at a certain level relate to pan, especially being 160 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:04.200 that pen was such a trickster himself. So it really 161 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:08.799 is interesting that when it comes to fear and panic, 162 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.039 we have to remember that there is sort of like 163 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.840 an illusion or trickster energy to this, and that's sort 164 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:18.639 of part of the journey is understanding how much of 165 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.120 that is really the illusion is really not true. But 166 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:25.480 that's part of the healing process, and that's something that 167 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:29.759 only the individual can go through and must go through 168 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:31.840 on their own. It's an individual journey after all. 169 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.159 Yeah, definitely, it's one of those rare instances where you've 170 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.919 got a random initiation happening in the woods for no 171 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:43.720 apparent reason, Like people just feel that fear come over 172 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:45.159 them and they're like, I got to get out of here. 173 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:47.519 And then other people are like, I know who that is. 174 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:49.879 I know that guy. I remember this. 175 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.080 Yeah. 176 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.480 Yeah, but then that goes back and it kind of 177 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.159 ties into a few things that ties into a your 178 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.559 knowledge or your agnosis and how connected you are to that. 179 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.639 And then it's also going to tie into the programming 180 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.000 that you already have or what you've essentially been taught 181 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:08.320 your whole life. Right, So it just it kind of 182 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:12.000 depends on that. So you got to two schools. 183 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:18.559 There, mm hmmm, uh yeah, what did to ask? 184 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:21.879 Obviously, I mean, you have paranormal and you've had paranormal 185 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:26.519 experiences very much. Was it like at what point, like 186 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:29.039 I guess, was paranormal always like kind of a part 187 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.320 of your life, Like at one point like did you 188 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:36.559 start entertaining all that it? Was it something that happened 189 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.279 to you or was it you know, a movie or 190 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:40.200 a book you're read? 191 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:46.399 You know, Well, the thing is that, like you know, 192 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:47.840 when I feel. 193 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.279 Like a lot of us when we're younger, were at 194 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.720 a certain level susceptible to these experiences. And I definitely 195 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:58.039 was one of them, right that one of the individuals 196 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:00.559 who I guess had experiences but I didn't really know 197 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.720 how to explain them or understand them because everybody, obviously 198 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.320 all the adults used to say the same thing, which 199 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:08.279 was this is not real. That's a bigment of your 200 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:10.799 imagination or you're just imagining things like blah blah blah 201 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:15.639 blah blah. So when I was younger, I do remember 202 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:19.159 two instances that really stood out to me. One was 203 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.360 really quick. I was in fourth grade. Actually, both of 204 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:23.879 these happened to me in fourth grade, now that I 205 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.080 think about it, I was in fourth grade. So when 206 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:29.279 I was like eight or nine years old, and I 207 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:31.679 remember I was brushing my hair in my parents' room, 208 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.799 getting ready for school, and suddenly I see a black figure, 209 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.200 like a black shadow in the in the mirror. But 210 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.879 the freaky part was like I turned around and for 211 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:44.919 a split second, it was still behind me, and then 212 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:49.679 it just disappeared, and I was like, what's that? And 213 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:53.399 so I ran out, and I remember just like screaming. 214 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:55.240 I think my grandmother was the one at the time. 215 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.200 She was there or something saying over. I don't know 216 00:11:57.279 --> 00:11:59.279 when me was the next day, I don't remember because 217 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:01.440 after the timeline, but I do remember my grandmother was 218 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:07.399 the only one who was like believing me. She said, oh, well, 219 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:09.600 the next time that you see a spirit, She's like, oh, 220 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:14.000 that was a spirit. And I was like okay. She's like, well, 221 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:15.759 the next time you see a spirit, you offer it 222 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:20.600 the gossip water. I was like, what I was like, 223 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:25.279 I don't understand. Now I do. Obviously, water is very 224 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:29.519 sacred and protective, so when you offer water to entities 225 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:32.279 or you have water in your room, it's actually very cleansing. 226 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:36.000 It can help remove the energies or negative energies. So 227 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.799 in her in the way she was saying it, obviously 228 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:41.080 wasn't like, oh, this is a bad spirit and you 229 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:42.960 need to remove it and cleanse your space. It was 230 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.120 just like, oh, it's gonna be fine here, just put 231 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.159 water in your room. Everything will be okay. And I 232 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.960 was like, okay, lady. Little do I know how right 233 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:57.279 she was about many things. But anyway, then I had 234 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:03.320 another point of my fourth grade year. I was awake 235 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:05.240 and I was the only one to wake along with 236 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:07.240 my mother. So my dad and my sister were sleeping, 237 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:11.919 and this was early nineties in the early mid nineties, 238 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:19.240 and my mom used to go outside and hang the 239 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:24.159 laundry to dry outside but at night on the clothes 240 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:27.120 hangars and so or the line, whatever you call it. 241 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:30.639 And then I was just in my room. I remember, 242 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:32.279 I don't remember what I was doing. I remember I 243 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:37.000 was in my room, maybe reading or something, and she screams, 244 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:41.279 m ning. It was just like this, like just scream that. 245 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:42.879 I thought something was happening because it was. It was 246 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.600 even Spanish. She yelled my name and spent. She was 247 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:47.200 like day and I was like. 248 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:50.039 What the fuck is going on? 249 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:52.600 And so my mom didn't really speak to me she 250 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.879 spoke Spanish because she didn't really speak to me in Spanish, 251 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.320 but to me, there was just something like Okay, something's 252 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:02.320 going on here. So I run outside and she she's like, 253 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:03.799 come here, come here from here, and I and I 254 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:08.759 go to her and she kind of ducks down to me. 255 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:11.120 She puts her hand around me, like her arm around me, 256 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:12.919 and she points to the sky and she's like do 257 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.559 you see that? And I'm like, yeah, lady, there's a 258 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:18.879 light in the sky. And she's like and I'm like 259 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.000 it's an airplane. Mom, Like, I don't understand why you 260 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:23.279 called me out here for this, and she's like no, 261 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:25.879 She's like no, it is moving too slow. I need 262 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.360 you to look at this. And I'm like okay, and 263 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.879 I'm staring at this thing in the sky and she 264 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.399 kind of started to settle in like in those like 265 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.399 in the movie when things that kind of settle in 266 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.879 like really slowly, you're like, oh my god. And I'm 267 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.960 looking at this UFO and I'm like, oh my god. 268 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.799 And so we run out into the front yard and 269 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:49.840 it's just hovering, and they got closer, and I started 270 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:53.919 hovering over like the neighbors' houses, like maybe I don't know, 271 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:58.440 maybe two blocks down or something enough for me to 272 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:02.879 see the shap So it was like typical saucery shape, 273 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:06.519 but it was so colorful. It was just beautiful. It 274 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:09.559 was the colors, and the colors were dancing, and I 275 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:12.639 was just like mesmerized for a few minutes until a 276 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:15.679 dawn dummy that there's probably aliens on that craft and 277 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:17.919 if there's aliens on the craft, I'm going to get abducted, 278 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.559 and so I freaked out. And then I ran inside 279 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:23.279 and I kind of sat in a corner of the 280 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.679 kitchen by this refrigerator, just like in a fetal position, 281 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.639 like just hoping that I wouldn't get abducted, basically, while 282 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.480 my mom is like trying to find the cam corder 283 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.440 and oh my god, I need to record this for 284 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.840 your father instead of waking him up. By the way, 285 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:49.039 that was an interesting question. What was that question? Why 286 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:51.080 do I remember from fifty years ago my granddad gave 287 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.799 me the best bit of my grandma's rice pudding. Interesting, 288 00:15:55.639 --> 00:16:01.840 I don't know, but kind of I guess depends on 289 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:04.240 how long was fifty years ago? Was he even my 290 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:08.440 live fifty years ago? But anyway, so the point is 291 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:12.440 that I saw this UFO and then my mom couldn't 292 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:14.679 record it. By the time she came outside with the camport, 293 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.440 it was only like five minutes. It was gone. It 294 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.039 was it was awful, it was gone. It didn't It's 295 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:27.519 like it never existed. And you know, after that, I 296 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:29.759 grew up in a household guys where my dad was 297 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.679 a complete atheist and my mom was like Roman Catholic 298 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:40.159 Santea and really really yeah yeah, but like she she 299 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.679 didn't practice is Santaia as much because my mom's very 300 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:45.399 chicken shit and she was very like But then like 301 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:49.080 my great aunt, her aunt was like a priestess and 302 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.000 stuff like that. So like I grew up and then 303 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:54.080 my cousins I haven't my mom's sister married into the 304 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:59.080 Islaem religion, so like my cousins are Muslim, and then 305 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:02.600 I have other family who were like Christian. Then I 306 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.920 had my grandmother who was like religious but like not 307 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:10.599 but then very spiritual. I grew up like very exposed 308 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:14.559 to very many different belief systems. Yeah, and so I 309 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:18.200 ended up becoming atheist like my father for a while 310 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:24.559 until he died. Actually and so and then that kind 311 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:27.559 of whole turn of events happened there because he came 312 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:29.640 to within me and his death or right before he 313 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:32.079 died or right after he died, I can't I don't remember. 314 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:35.839 I don't exactly know which one. But then that sort 315 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:39.039 of led me to sort of question reality and what 316 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:44.839 we understand reality to be and started going down the 317 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:51.799 more esoteric, spiritual occult rot and here I am today. 318 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:55.720 So yeah, So can I ask you what does mediumship 319 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:56.440 mean to you? 320 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:02.880 Mediumship for me is the ability to be a bridge 321 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.759 or a medium between the spirit realm and the physical realm. 322 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.240 You are literally the medium or point of contact. So 323 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.440 mediumship a lot of people think, like, oh, you're a medium, 324 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:19.319 you can talk to the dead. Well, yeah, but it's 325 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.799 so much bigger than that because if you are at mediums, 326 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:25.440 by the way, it can be anybody. You can be 327 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:28.200 a medium, it can be a medium. Everybody can be 328 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:33.000 a medium, Like this is literally like a possibility for everyone. 329 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.640 If you are getting messages from the other side, you 330 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:41.039 are a budding medium. Now it just depends on the 331 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:47.000 level that you you know, the levels of understanding, your ego, 332 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.799 your consciousness, your awareness. Like there's so many factors, which 333 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.880 is why there's so many different ranges within mediums and 334 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.559 mediumship or psychic abilities. But medium abilities and psychic abilities 335 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:02.680 are intertwined and so so it really just kind of depends. 336 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:04.599 But at the end of the day, why am I 337 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:06.400 a medium and why I say I'm a medium and 338 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:08.960 I don't call myself psychic and I don't call myself 339 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:11.759 like a divinator or things like that, is because I 340 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.920 understand that what I'm able to do is bridge too 341 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.920 worlds and whatever that looks like is what it looks like. 342 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:19.680 But if I say I'm a psychic, people are going 343 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:21.039 to be like, oh, so you can tell my future, 344 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:26.400 Like it's not that suitable. Like these things are very complex, 345 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.599 And it also depends on urinate gifts. And everybody has 346 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:32.559 a range of gifts. And while we can access a 347 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:35.279 lot of them, what you essentially develop and hone in 348 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:38.599 on is going to depend on you and while I 349 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:44.960 have abilities, that's a whole other thing. My biggest I 350 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:48.880 guess flex or whatever is to be able to connect 351 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:55.559 conscious energy to you and like bridge that connection as 352 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:56.039 a channel. 353 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:00.960 Right, So we were talking a little bit before or about 354 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.319 maybe taking a reading or something about some of the 355 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:06.759 comments in the in the chat over there. So if 356 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:09.359 you guys have any sort of comments or questions that 357 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:12.440 you'd like to throw a debro, she's willing to take them. 358 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:14.200 So we'll throw that out there now for. 359 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:19.160 It'll be interesting because usually my readings, I don't do 360 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:21.799 live readings, so it's going to be interesting how these 361 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:29.519 come through. We'll see. Yeah, we've done live. 362 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:33.319 Remote viewings before on the show where we audio, so. 363 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:43.799 Remote viewing is wild. Yeah, I'm just like, I can't 364 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:45.640 believe I'm seeing all these things that I'm actually here 365 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:48.759 in this room right now. So it's just really really interesting. 366 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:52.039 Remote viewing is a whole experience when itself. 367 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:54.039 When did that start happening for you? 368 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.599 If you don't, if you maybe you mind maybe taking 369 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:58.759 us through like maybe the first time you realize this 370 00:20:58.799 --> 00:20:59.519 is what's going on. 371 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:04.759 Whatever the best way you can. 372 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.839 Wow, it's all really fresh in my head because it 373 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:14.759 just happened last year. Again, I wasn't even though I 374 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:19.200 was going down a spiritual path and learning about the 375 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:24.079 occults and all these beautiful things, there was obviously a 376 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:28.839 level of skepticism right within me. And I think this 377 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:31.200 is very natural and normal for people to have. There's 378 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:33.640 a healthy amount of skepticism that you need to have. 379 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:37.400 You can't just blindly follow whatever people say, because that 380 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.640 is not the point. And also people again have a different, 381 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.680 varying levels of understanding, and not everything is necessarily truth, 382 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:47.240 and if it is true, you have to remember that 383 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.799 it is relative. So it's about coming home and coming 384 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:55.359 back to your truth. But anyway, what I started doing 385 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:02.759 was fucking around and then I found out. So I 386 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:06.720 started using dowsing rods, and that was an experience for 387 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:09.480 me because it was the first time that I had 388 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:13.319 some sort of like ges, like physical evidence that something 389 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:17.920 was communicating, do you understand, like through the dowsing rods. 390 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:20.559 And I was so like in disbelief. I was like, 391 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:24.119 there is no fucking way something conscious is speaking to 392 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:27.400 me right now through these rods, Like there's just no 393 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:32.359 way that it has to be, Like you know, my 394 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:36.440 I don't know reflexes or some sort of like mini tremors, 395 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:39.799 like you know, anything that people say I went through, 396 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:42.480 and I was like, yeah, that's what I'm doing. But 397 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.279 I decided to continue doing this and just ask questions 398 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:49.920 and see what kind of answers I would to get. 399 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:52.160 And then I had my sister do it, who's also 400 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.319 like a non believer skeptic, and then I had my 401 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:56.839