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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something killed
Speaker 2: your dog, my dog. We're flying through there, over the tree.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it did it, Okay, damn, I'm
Speaker 2: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 2: the fence, and name was dead once you hit the ground.
Speaker 2: I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my
Speaker 2: dog coming over the fence. Are you reporting we got
Speaker 2: some wonder or something crawling around out here? Did you
Speaker 2: see what it was? It was enough out here. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm new to onedow now and I don't need anything.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go outside. Frank, Hello, hit the
Speaker 2: fuddy out here. Quote on Melter, I thought of a
Speaker 2: bitch about tech foot nine. I don't know em Melter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm walking right, heady, all right, folks.
Speaker 1: On, welcome our guest to the show. It is Shannon
Speaker 1: from Into the Free. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Brian. I'm very happy to be here.
Speaker 1: This has been a long time coming. I very rarely
Speaker 1: get nervous. I don't even know if nervous is the word.
Speaker 1: I listened to you on the very first podcast that
Speaker 1: I ever got into, back in the day one Sasquatch Chronicle,
Speaker 1: So I have known you in air quotes for a
Speaker 1: long time. So it's always really cool to hear somebody
Speaker 1: on a podcast or meet them out somewhere and then
Speaker 1: have them on the show. I am glad to have
Speaker 1: you here. I feel like this has been a long
Speaker 1: time coming. I'm excited about this conversation. Let's get into
Speaker 1: the bigfoot thing. What in the hell got you interested
Speaker 1: in the subject of bigfoot to begin with?
Speaker 4: You know what's funny is that I have been asked
Speaker 4: this and I wish that I had a really cool answer.
Speaker 4: And I'll say, right out of the gate, if you're
Speaker 4: not familiar with me, I've not seen a bigfoot. So
Speaker 4: if you're waiting for that story, you can just tune out.
Speaker 4: I don't have my own dick foot story. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 4: am worthless in that category. I may I will say
Speaker 4: right now, have heard bigfoot. We can talk about that later,
Speaker 4: but I didn't see what I was making it, so
Speaker 4: I can't make that one hundred percent claim.
Speaker 3: So I don't have an inception story like I saw
Speaker 3: Bigfoot or a lot of people go.
Speaker 4: It was a legend of Boggy Creek, and I was hooked.
Speaker 4: I don't even have that. I don't even remember what
Speaker 4: it was when it was. But at some point I
Speaker 4: finally got onto my Facebook that I hadn't used in years.
Speaker 4: I started to join all these different Facebook groups and
Speaker 4: I joined the Sasquatch Chronicles, the main whatever the Facebook
Speaker 4: group was back then. Actually I think it was called
Speaker 4: Bigfoot Hotspot Radio because that was the original I'm.
Speaker 3: Interacting in there.
Speaker 4: I'll what Wes at some point after I don't know
Speaker 4: how long reached out. He goes, would you like to
Speaker 4: come on the show? I'm like, oh, I don't have
Speaker 4: an account or anything. He goes, as a co host,
Speaker 4: I feel like we just need another voice in the show,
Speaker 4: whatever it might be. And of course I said yes.
Speaker 4: But then after you say yes to such a thing,
Speaker 4: you're going why pick me?
Speaker 3: However, it was amazing. I loved it.
Speaker 4: I loved the interaction with Wes and with Will and
Speaker 4: with every single person that chose to come on that show,
Speaker 4: and some of them I still talk to those people,
Speaker 4: like Tracy. Tracy was the gentleman that urinated on a
Speaker 4: Bigfoot out of the side of his vand if folks
Speaker 4: will remember him, he's come on itf since that was
Speaker 4: how I got started in the podcasting side, so I
Speaker 4: don't have a cool story about how I got into Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I just finally was.
Speaker 4: Going, I'm gonna let my freak flat fly get on
Speaker 4: Facebook interact in these Bigfoot groups because I freaking love
Speaker 4: bigfoot so much. It fascinates me, and I just love
Speaker 4: talking to people about anything that's strange, of course, but
Speaker 4: Bigfoot isn't something that I have seen. I've seen a
Speaker 4: couple of other things that's weird, but not Bigfoot, unfortunately.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I did.
Speaker 4: I got my start in Sasquatch Chronicles, and then at
Speaker 4: some point West goes why don't you host your own
Speaker 4: show on the side, and that was show Notes with Shannon.
Speaker 4: I forget how many episodes there was by the time
Speaker 4: I left Sasquatch Chronicles.
Speaker 3: A good little handful people from way back still bring
Speaker 3: up snoring Steve.
Speaker 4: I had a gentleman that the guest was running behind,
Speaker 4: and I was kind of running through calls, and this
Speaker 4: is a live to air show. It was just me.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a moderator or somebody screening the calls,
Speaker 4: and I go to this one gentleman named Steve and
Speaker 4: he was sawn Locks. Of course, once it's done, you're
Speaker 4: thinking of all these wonderful quips that you should have said.
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, Steve, you there, y, I don't know
Speaker 4: whatever I said. Anyway, there were some very painful things
Speaker 4: to go back and listen, even when I started into
Speaker 4: the fray. As you well know, when you go back
Speaker 4: and you listen to yourself in the beginning, you're like, ooh,
Speaker 4: I don't know how anyone listens to me. How did
Speaker 4: I even gain a following after sounding like this, or
Speaker 4: however the audio sounded, however much you interrupted the guest
Speaker 4: to all those things, especially with show notes with Shannon
Speaker 4: oh Man, I'm like, that was some, but you have
Speaker 4: to cut your tea somewhere.
Speaker 3: So that's where I did.
Speaker 4: So, Wes is the whole reason that I'm even sitting
Speaker 4: here right now talking to you. He will always get
Speaker 4: a huge hug and high five for me if you
Speaker 4: ever wanted it to Thank you, Wes for giving me
Speaker 4: that chance. That's why I'm here, and I'm very thankful
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 1: I am the same way I had a little different story.
Speaker 1: Everybody who's listened to the show knows my boring stories
Speaker 1: about my experiences when I was a kid and what
Speaker 1: got me into the subject. But I, too, like you,
Speaker 1: got in to the podcasting world Sasquatch Chronicles was the
Speaker 1: first show that I ever listened to. I started at
Speaker 1: the most recent show and started working my way back.
Speaker 1: So I didn't start with you, Wes, will and Woody
Speaker 1: on the show. I did that later on after a
Speaker 1: conversation I had with Wes. But I was about three
Speaker 1: months into the show. Again, like you, I've talked about
Speaker 1: how horrible the audio was. I started recording the show,
Speaker 1: initially on my iPhone using a free I think it
Speaker 1: was called riv.
Speaker 3: Rev was the app? It was horrible.
Speaker 1: It used to do this thing where the person that
Speaker 1: you were recording I guess it was legally bound to
Speaker 1: tell them phone call being recorded or recording in progress.
Speaker 1: I had to cut that out. So it was a
Speaker 1: beginning for me. Like everybody else in this you don't
Speaker 1: really know what you're doing, so you just stumble your
Speaker 1: way through it. But about three months into the show,
Speaker 1: I got an email from Wes saying, hey, man, I'll
Speaker 1: listen to your show. I think it's great, but your
Speaker 1: audio sucks. Let me help you with your audio. So
Speaker 1: we got on the phone, and after a couple of
Speaker 1: hours on the phone, he gave me a list of things.
Speaker 1: I still use the same board that he recommended that
Speaker 1: he's been using for years, upgraded the microphone, and it
Speaker 1: literally changed the audio overnight.
Speaker 3: For the show.
Speaker 1: So I've always credited Wes at least for that part
Speaker 1: of the show of saying, Hey, the reason I started
Speaker 1: the show because I listened to your podcast and I
Speaker 1: really wanted to talk to people in the Southeastern United States.
Speaker 1: I was born and raised in Georgia, so I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to people that had those kind of experiences
Speaker 1: that I think I experienced when I was a kid
Speaker 1: in the Southeastern United States. So I started focusing on that,
Speaker 1: and then it just blossomed into I couldn't believe the
Speaker 1: show was listened to one hundred and twenty countries around
Speaker 1: the world, and fortunately the audio improved enough that people
Speaker 1: stuck with the show. But those first few episodes back
Speaker 1: in the day, I think I had Jeff meldramon like
Speaker 1: episode nine of the show, and I still hadn't figured
Speaker 1: out what I was doing so I've had to go
Speaker 1: back and try to remaster that. I haven't remastered Jeff's
Speaker 1: episode yet obviously just passed away last week. So that's
Speaker 1: going to be my tribute I think to him, is
Speaker 1: going back and remastering that episode when I first had
Speaker 1: him on. We eventually became friends and colleagues after that.
Speaker 1: So I've always credited Wes with my success to some
Speaker 1: degree in this because he literally changed my audio overnight.
Speaker 3: Everybody has that story.
Speaker 1: You obviously interested in Bigfoot, You started on what eventually
Speaker 1: became the number one bigfoot podcast in the world. That's
Speaker 1: a great place to cut your teeth.
Speaker 3: What kept you.
Speaker 1: Going in the bigfoot realm? What did your research and
Speaker 1: looking into the subject look like for you, and where
Speaker 1: did it take you on that journey?
Speaker 4: It literally was just my love for talking to people
Speaker 4: and just hearing experiences that ran the gamut from straight
Speaker 4: up okay now my mind is they're in the flesh
Speaker 4: and blood, and then you talk to the next person
Speaker 4: and there's just these little nuggets of strangeness and you're like, gosh,
Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting that. And even to this day, I
Speaker 4: prefer people just to send me just a straight up
Speaker 4: bullet point list. You can have a little bit of
Speaker 4: description after, but I don't even.
Speaker 3: Like to know.
Speaker 4: I like to know no details. I just feel like
Speaker 4: there is just so much more natural that.
Speaker 3: Way, at least for me. I don't do any pre.
Speaker 4: Interviewing and all these other things, and that's fine if
Speaker 4: that works for someone. It just doesn't for me. I
Speaker 4: like to hear that stuff raw right when I'm recording.
Speaker 4: It just works that way. I'm in Ohio, which the
Speaker 4: Lovely grass Man is said to inhabit had Salt Fork
Speaker 4: right there when camping, when camping with someone that was
Speaker 4: extremely skeptical of Bigfoot. Of course, I am still in
Speaker 4: a way absolutely because I still need that confirmation event.
Speaker 4: But I do think that they are out there.
Speaker 3: Anyhow.
Speaker 4: We go to the primitive campground actually called Bigfoot Ridge
Speaker 4: at Salt Fork.
Speaker 3: Very fitting.
Speaker 4: We see a gentleman setting up within eyesight within this
Speaker 4: primitive campground.
Speaker 3: He's out of this van.
Speaker 4: It's an older van, and I'll just be nice about it,
Speaker 4: but it looked like it was on its last leg,
Speaker 4: kind of a thing. I see him set up all
Speaker 4: these different items, like.
Speaker 3: A well oiled machine.
Speaker 4: It's just essentially the three of us in this campground
Speaker 4: and I'm walking around the campground knows of the ground,
Speaker 4: looking at the trees, and I can see him watching me,
Speaker 4: this gentleman. Eventually he comes over and he goes, oh,
Speaker 4: do you doing. I'm just oh, I'm just looking around
Speaker 4: those all kinds of cool animals out here. And I go,
Speaker 4: what are you doing here? He goes, I'm studying animal
Speaker 4: migration patterns. I go, hluah, are you here for big foot?
Speaker 4: He goes, yeah, are you I'm like yeah. It was
Speaker 4: one of those high five moments nerds you night. This
Speaker 4: is an older gentleman and he lived I think it
Speaker 4: was just over four hours away from Salt Fork.
Speaker 3: He drove when he could, dang.
Speaker 4: Near every weekend, over four hours one way to get there.
Speaker 4: Because I think it was the year prior. I actually
Speaker 4: haven't revisited this for a while. I'm sorry it was
Speaker 4: quite recent. I think within a year or two is
Speaker 4: quite recent. He had an experience on a service road
Speaker 4: right there behind our campsite with a friend of his
Speaker 4: who was an extreme skeptic. It was one of those
Speaker 4: within ten to twelve feet encounters with two different size
Speaker 4: big butt. The woman was absolutely terrified to where she goes. Literally,
Speaker 4: I'm never going on the woods again, which is unfortunate
Speaker 4: because obviously she lived over in that area.
Speaker 3: Very unfortunate.
Speaker 4: He however, as you well know, Brian, it's either screw
Speaker 4: the woods. I'm gonna move to the desert. They might
Speaker 4: come here to Vegas with me. They're done, or they
Speaker 4: get completely bit and obsessed by the bigfoot bug and
Speaker 4: you just don't know where you're gonna lie with that.
Speaker 4: Probably that's why it's always people are telling me to
Speaker 4: be careful what.
Speaker 3: You wish for, Shannon.
Speaker 4: I know you want to see one, but you can't
Speaker 4: choose your encounter and you're not going to be in
Speaker 4: a tank when it happens, so you don't know it's
Speaker 4: gonna go down in your head. So anyhow, he has
Speaker 4: this encounter, he's there, I'm there. We start shouting away,
Speaker 4: and he goes, I'm gonna go back to that same
Speaker 4: spot tonight. If you guys want to join me, and
Speaker 4: I have a couple different things I'm gonna try.
Speaker 3: Heck, yeah, dude, let's do this.
Speaker 4: We're later in the evening. If you've never been to
Speaker 4: Salt Fork, the terrain changes so much depending on what
Speaker 4: area of the park that you're in. In this particular area,
Speaker 4: especially down this service road, you're flanked by areas, of
Speaker 4: course regular trees, but then a lot of ground brush,
Speaker 4: nasty stuff. You need the muchet date out to just
Speaker 4: handle business if you're trying to cut a trail. Nasty
Speaker 4: sitting on this for a service road. Nothing's going on.
Speaker 4: We're doing a couple of whoops, a couple tree knocks,
Speaker 4: and he goes, I'm gonna tie a glow stick to
Speaker 4: a string and start warring this around. Crocodile dundee right,
Speaker 4: making a cool noise. We're doing that. We're taking turns.
Speaker 4: This is probably two am somewhere around. There could be
Speaker 4: a little off on my times. I'm terrible at times
Speaker 4: and dates, just so everyone knows. That's why my notes
Speaker 4: out from certain dates of things and even years. So
Speaker 4: swinging this around, actually it was me swinging it at
Speaker 4: this time. Stop and listen. At ground level. Right next
Speaker 4: to me is a single, incredibly loud, monotone whistle.
Speaker 3: I can't even begin to mimic this whistle.
Speaker 4: But what happened was I just in some kind of
Speaker 4: an instinct, maybe not a good one, kicked in and
Speaker 4: I made myself actually smaller, and I crouched down and
Speaker 4: I'm like listening because I could not figure out if
Speaker 4: this is a person or the biggest parrot maybe that's
Speaker 4: ever escaped any zoo is somehow in this brush without
Speaker 4: us hearing whatever this was get in there.
Speaker 3: I do not know.
Speaker 4: How it is did that whatever it was, didn't see it,
Speaker 4: didn't hear it again, by the way, and nothing moved.
Speaker 3: Robert shining the flashlight. What did you hear? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: heard that.
Speaker 4: I just probably need a diaper right now because I
Speaker 4: came out of Note it's so loud.
Speaker 3: Brian.
Speaker 4: Even if you get something recorded, and was like, why
Speaker 4: wasn't the recorder's running? Even if it was, it still
Speaker 4: just doesn't do it justice if you're not there. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: we didn't have a recorder going.
Speaker 3: We just didn't.
Speaker 4: Anyhow, that was an account that for me, it pushed
Speaker 4: my percentage rate of oh no, I think something's going
Speaker 4: on here with this.
Speaker 3: That pushed it up quite a bit.
Speaker 4: The highly skeptical person with me open minded fwitza whatever
Speaker 4: not really on the radar could be even He's okay,
Speaker 4: I have no explanation for what made that sound, how
Speaker 4: it could get in like what was this sitting there
Speaker 4: all day for us to like knowingly go right there
Speaker 4: to do this little cute little experiment like crocodile dundee
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: That was wild.
Speaker 4: Once that happened, then I essentially got bit a little
Speaker 4: bit more by the bug. I've gone to other places.
Speaker 4: Of course, with Wes went to the Brown property in
Speaker 4: Washington State while their big footing saw an orb in
Speaker 4: the woods, which actually, I'll just go ahead and say,
Speaker 4: and I've said this before, seeing the orb wall bigfooting,
Speaker 4: actually it ticked me off a little bit because I'm going, no,
Speaker 4: this is not what we're doing out here.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 4: You took that weird stuff out over here, and over
Speaker 4: here is bigfoot. And I'm not saying that means that
Speaker 4: they're tied in any way, shape or form, but a
Speaker 4: general I think Kirk Brandenburg was there with us, and
Speaker 4: he had one of the top fleer thermals. At the time,
Speaker 4: you have five people at two in the morning, it's
Speaker 4: really raining, it's very cold. We had taken shelter in
Speaker 4: this building that was going apart. It mostly had a roof,
Speaker 4: didn't have all of its walls. So we see the
Speaker 4: light and the light dips down. The second we all
Speaker 4: saw it, it was like it went, oh, they see me.
Speaker 4: And it was some strange timing at the least, I
Speaker 4: don't know if that's what happened. We just thought, look
Speaker 4: at this drunkie out here in the rain with the
Speaker 4: headlamp right he fell down, Let's go help this guy out.
Speaker 3: We would have had to cross the ravine. It was close.
Speaker 3: The ravine is right there.
Speaker 4: At the same time that happens, someone or something again
Speaker 4: didn't see it, can't say it who or what it
Speaker 4: was is slapping the other buildings that are right there
Speaker 4: next to us. So we're like, what in the actual
Speaker 4: is going on? Who's out here screwing with us? John
Speaker 4: had a very impressive weapon, very impressive. For anyone to
Speaker 4: be out there screwing around just seem really not a
Speaker 4: bright thing to do. Also, on that trip, we are
Speaker 4: pretty much in their backyard and then the backyard opens
Speaker 4: up to this valley area there's a river running through.
Speaker 4: We decide to play some baby cries. I'm gonna try that,
Speaker 4: so we get out. You could call it called blasting,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't called blasting in my mind. Called blasting
Speaker 4: is you get a speaker and you're out to the
Speaker 4: heavens with this sound. We just had a phone. Oh no,
Speaker 4: it's my phone or Wes's phone. We get on YouTube
Speaker 4: and it's one of those whoever Macy's videos is demented,
Speaker 4: but God bless them.
Speaker 3: It was like a twelve hour loop of a baby cry.
Speaker 3: Oh no, well you'd need that, but hey, it worked
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 4: We hit play baby crying, baby crying forty minutes of
Speaker 4: this some we're gone if this doesn't work, so we
Speaker 4: need to shut this off because we're all going kuki. Now,
Speaker 4: I will say before I set this up that it's
Speaker 4: Washington State. We had so much gear setup that we
Speaker 4: had this tar tent situation set up so things weren't
Speaker 4: getting wet. It was loud out there, so we did
Speaker 4: not have recorders going. There would be no point to do.
Speaker 4: So playing the baby cry forty minutes in, all of
Speaker 4: a sudden something comes in. It wasn't super duper close,
Speaker 4: but it was close enough. And it is whooping in
Speaker 4: threes wooo. It was the same cadence every single time,
Speaker 4: and then Wes and I both agreed that it sounded
Speaker 4: This might sound really strange to people, but it.
Speaker 3: Was the best way we could describe.
Speaker 4: It just sounded like a feminine whip, if there's such
Speaker 4: a thing. Of course, it's interesting because it's a baby cry.
Speaker 4: It continues, not constantly. They would take little breaks and
Speaker 4: then the whooping would continue, and we're trying.
Speaker 3: To get closer to it. But it's that weird thing
Speaker 3: where you.
Speaker 4: Can't quite exactly find where it's coming from. And part
Speaker 4: of that could have been the topography, because right at
Speaker 4: the back there's this ravine and then it opens to
Speaker 4: the valley, So who knows where this thing really was Anyhow,
Speaker 4: phone dies, no more whoops the moment it stops, nothing and.
Speaker 3: We didn't hear anything come in. We didn't hear anything leave.
Speaker 4: Heck, but you know how it is being in the bush,
Speaker 4: there's so many shadows, and once it's night, we are
Speaker 4: not adept to that it could have been right there.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna see that thing. That's when the thermal.
Speaker 4: Would come in handy And I actually think that Kirk
Speaker 4: was not there for that. I cannot recall exactly, but
Speaker 4: I don't think he was there for that to thurn.
Speaker 3: So that was interesting to go off of this whole
Speaker 3: baby cry trope really quickly.
Speaker 4: One of the Olympic Project folks, Derek Randalls, has an
Speaker 4: encounter story. And this dude is like a sherp, a goat.
Speaker 4: He is bad to the bond. He goes out by
Speaker 4: himself all the time. He does go out armed, and
Speaker 4: that'll come into play. He goes out arms wherever he goes,
Speaker 4: which I think is smart. Everybody should do that because animals.
Speaker 4: But also, guess what's the scariest thing in the woods?
Speaker 4: Other people?
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 4: I'll get off my soapbox for a second. He goes
Speaker 4: out six miles, seven miles something like that, into the bush.
Speaker 4: He goes, you know what, and I think this is
Speaker 4: way before we did any of our stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't recall when this happened. Now.
Speaker 4: He actually called blasted a baby cry. Shortly after he
Speaker 4: started this baby cry. There's a ravine and he's halfway
Speaker 4: up this lip on the other side. On the opposite side,
Speaker 4: he says, it was like a semi truck had just
Speaker 4: started to barrel down this hillside and into the ravine
Speaker 4: right at me. He's by himself. He could hear it
Speaker 4: huffing and taking entire trees down with it. He could
Speaker 4: actually see the trees moving as it's coming down. The
Speaker 4: timing of things, he goes, I just assumed it would
Speaker 4: stop at some point. Now at this point he had
Speaker 4: already in fact, had bigfoot sightings, so it's not like
Speaker 4: he was just a hiker and playing baby cries for
Speaker 4: some random reason. It was for bigfoot purposes. So this
Speaker 4: is definitely a be careful what you wish for. As
Speaker 4: it's coming to where it's about to step out to
Speaker 4: where there's a clear the ravenus clear, and then it
Speaker 4: would just probably take two steps and be in his face.
Speaker 3: He stops the sounds.
Speaker 4: It stopped just within the tree line, and he could
Speaker 4: hear it puffing and puffing because it's hissed and it
Speaker 4: is stressed, and it just ran down to who knows
Speaker 4: what it thought in that moment, he thought, Yeah, I've
Speaker 4: got a big sidearm, but it's not going to help
Speaker 4: me with whatever in the hash that is over there.
Speaker 4: It's not big enough. I'm in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 4: And he's six miles back by himself, so he's hoping
Speaker 4: and praying that it doesn't decide to actually come over
Speaker 4: and just use him as a Louisville slugger.
Speaker 3: And it didn't. Of course, it went off. It left
Speaker 3: is the culmination.
Speaker 4: Nothing happened after that, But he said, I was so
Speaker 4: hissed at myself, thinking that I had stressed this creature
Speaker 4: out so much and pissed it off so much. Whatever
Speaker 4: it was, and who knows if that was a male
Speaker 4: or a female, if that was some kind of maternal
Speaker 4: instinct or paternal instinct, whatever that was that I ignited
Speaker 4: in that creature was really dangerous for me to do.
Speaker 4: And he knows that he's very lucky to be here.
Speaker 4: So that's another cautionary tale with the baby. The baby
Speaker 4: Cris guys works. If you want to have a little
Speaker 4: something happen in the woods, give it a shot. I
Speaker 4: don't know how that's going to turn out, but maybe
Speaker 4: don't be six or seven miles back doing your shirt
Speaker 4: a thing. You know, he still goes out. I think
Speaker 4: I just saw I'm posting today. I just saw a post.
Speaker 4: He still does his thing. It didn't turn him into
Speaker 4: the person that moves to the desert because there's no bigfoot,
Speaker 4: but that wasn't a great encounter to have, obviously, he said,
Speaker 4: I never saw it that. There's no doubt in my
Speaker 4: mind it was something very large, very pissed off, and
Speaker 4: my respectably calibered weapon would not have done much to
Speaker 4: help me out.
Speaker 1: I've heard multiple stories like that, and they always make
Speaker 1: me very scared for the people that are using some
Speaker 1: of these things that I think it's a joke. For
Speaker 1: some people that go into the woods, they take this seriously,
Speaker 1: but it's a hobby for them, and they go out
Speaker 1: and they've seen this on television where it's okay to
Speaker 1: play baby cries or whatever this noise is. But I
Speaker 1: think we're dealing with a very large animal, and animals
Speaker 1: are unpredictable. We are animals. People are very unpredictable, you
Speaker 1: jokingly said earlier. I don't think it was a joke
Speaker 1: about taking your weapon into the woods. I take a
Speaker 1: weapon in the woods for other people. We had a
Speaker 1: situation that I'm not going to get into over the
Speaker 1: course of this camp out that we had this past weekend,
Speaker 1: where I thought we were going to have to have
Speaker 1: a weapon for a person more so than any animal
Speaker 1: that we were going to encounter. So I think that's
Speaker 1: smart to do go out armed, but there's so many
Speaker 1: people that I've talked to that have had experiences with
Speaker 1: these things. I interviewed a moose hunter a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago who had a very high powered rifle and
Speaker 1: this thing stepped out and he said, dude, there was
Speaker 1: no way I was pulling the trigger. I knew it
Speaker 1: was only going to piss this thing off. So he
Speaker 1: backed out and got out of there. I think it's
Speaker 1: great to use those tools, and if people want to
Speaker 1: have an experience, there are different ways I think to
Speaker 1: have those, but you do have to be careful when
Speaker 1: you're out there in the woods six miles deep by yourself,
Speaker 1: probably not the place to play. Baby cries to have
Speaker 1: an experience with bigfoot. So we'll put that out there
Speaker 1: as a cautionary tale and a warning to you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah it might work, but just be prepared for what
Speaker 1: you might experience. You talked about the Brown property. Were
Speaker 1: there other experiences that you got had there? Was that
Speaker 1: someplace that you went back to and had other experiences
Speaker 1: after that initial time?
Speaker 3: They certainly did. We didn't.
Speaker 4: That was pretty much what occurred for our trip. But
Speaker 4: the Browns they have the linebacker on the ridge thermal.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've seen that. It looks like you can
Speaker 4: literally see the second head of traps on this guy,
Speaker 4: and that is down in that ravine right off the
Speaker 4: back of their house, and it looks like Jay Cutler
Speaker 4: is just chilling at the back of the house in
Speaker 4: this thermal video, which is wild. Of course it's not
Speaker 4: because Jay Cutler doesn't quite have the cone head and
Speaker 4: orbitals that are faithball and actually in the full video,
Speaker 4: I believe that a cow actually does cross in front
Speaker 4: of or near the linebacker on the ridge as he's
Speaker 4: just chilling. Their poor cows to just not always super
Speaker 4: aware they're surroundings. Yeah, that was it for that particular trip,
Speaker 4: but the Browns have certainly had a lot of sightings,
Speaker 4: a lot of experiences in that area alone. We had
Speaker 4: gone down to the river and there was a gentleman
Speaker 4: that was salmon fishing, and that guy lives there and
Speaker 4: he has his own experiences with these things. It's just
Speaker 4: one of those areas where the big boys they come
Speaker 4: out to play. You're in the middle of the highway
Speaker 4: some parts of the year, and that's just how it is.
Speaker 1: You've been all over the place looking for these things.
Speaker 1: Have you had experiences in other places?
Speaker 4: Yes, this is another obviously auditory. As I already prefaced,
Speaker 4: went out to Donna and Gregg's property, also Washington State.
Speaker 4: We were there for a filling project. Never came to fruition,
Speaker 4: but we still did all the things and did the
Speaker 4: interviews and went around the property, and we were there
Speaker 4: for a couple of nights. Their story is incredible. It's
Speaker 4: one of the most active properties I've ever actually heard
Speaker 4: of and was lucky enough to visit. What I heard
Speaker 4: was David Elison. I call him the audio guru of
Speaker 4: the Olympic Project. Hey, it's when I say he's the guru,
Speaker 4: but he is. He's amazing. We had walked with the
Speaker 4: group up the road from Donna and Gregg's property. Whatever
Speaker 4: we were doing, I'm not sure, it's along this ravine,
Speaker 4: and that ravine essentially was the highway for these bigfoot
Speaker 4: to come in and out and drop in, and that's
Speaker 4: where a lot of activity happened on that property. So
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, we're up the road, the whole group
Speaker 4: of us and David and I we end up walking.
Speaker 3: Back to the house by ourselves and.
Speaker 4: Then off to the right in this, said Ravine, I
Speaker 4: heard three vowels, and to this day I know that
Speaker 4: if I go back and I listened to what David
Speaker 4: said about this, but I don't recall exactly what it
Speaker 4: sounded like.
Speaker 3: I just remember hearing what you would call.
Speaker 4: Samurai chatter, three vowels spoken right next to us in
Speaker 4: that Ravine and I look at David and hexcept me
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 3: Go, do you hear that? He goes, oh, yeah, would
Speaker 3: you hear?
Speaker 4: And I repeated the vowels that I heard and he goes, yep,
Speaker 4: that's what we hear all the time. It's a lot
Speaker 4: of times those three vowels. So that again bumped up
Speaker 4: the percentage for me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that was amazing. It's not much.
Speaker 4: I know that people that have actually seen these things,
Speaker 4: I talked to them a lot as well, and that's
Speaker 4: not much. But for someone that's so into Bigfoot and
Speaker 4: wants really badly to have confirmations happen, that was a
Speaker 4: big deal to me. Even just to hear that the
Speaker 4: descriptions are true of when they are trying to speak,
Speaker 4: it just sounds off and you're like, good try, buddy.
Speaker 3: But not quite there. But good job. That made my
Speaker 3: whole year with that.
Speaker 4: But okay, so for anyone that's not familiar with Donna
Speaker 4: and Gregg's property, the only pin I'm gonna put it
Speaker 4: in it is Washington in state. Trust me when I
Speaker 4: tell you it's plenty wooded water around the usual things
Speaker 4: that biggies like.
Speaker 3: Biggie's like this area very much.
Speaker 4: Donna and Greg frown this property and within the first
Speaker 4: month of them being there.
Speaker 3: Donna admits this. I remember her saying this in the interview.
Speaker 4: I had a three hour interview with David Ellis and
Speaker 4: Donna on my show.
Speaker 3: I think it's episode three hundred.
Speaker 4: Actually, you guys can go listen to them actually telling
Speaker 4: this the people that were actually there.
Speaker 3: Donna admits that she and.
Speaker 4: Greg were in a little bit of a tiff at
Speaker 4: the time of being in the car. So he's driving
Speaker 4: and she's doing this thing that we do, which is
Speaker 4: looking out the side window because we don't want to
Speaker 4: look at you right now. We don't even want to
Speaker 4: see you when I'm piffery, right So she's looking out
Speaker 4: her side window. She says, all I saw was the
Speaker 4: biggest pair of legs I have ever seen covered in hair.
Speaker 4: This is all happening in milliseconds, and then a big
Speaker 4: bubble butt. That's her words, a big bubble butt, and
Speaker 4: then eyes flick up a little more and it is
Speaker 4: just a massive torso covered in not quite as much hair,
Speaker 4: I think, is what she said.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Anybody that knows Donna, she never ever cusses.
Speaker 3: She doesn't curse. It's just not her thing. She starts saying.
Speaker 4: No way, no e f and way, no f and way.
Speaker 4: She is freaked right out. Greg's like, what's the matter,
Speaker 4: what's going on? She tells them what she saw. She goes,
Speaker 4: I don't even know how else to say this, but
Speaker 4: there's like a breaging bigfoot. I just saw something. There's
Speaker 4: switchbacks going up to this property. It's pretty legit in
Speaker 4: the middle of nowhere. To be honest with you, neighbors
Speaker 4: decently far apart by acres and acres comes back down.
Speaker 3: There's nothing to be seen. It's not there anymore.
Speaker 4: Of course, that kicked off so much activity that Donna,
Speaker 4: who was home most of the time by herself, ended
Speaker 4: up not going outside after dark. She would go out
Speaker 4: on the patio, which is as far as she would
Speaker 4: go to place the recorder all of the recordings, and
Speaker 4: I actually still have some loaded on my roadcaster if
Speaker 4: you guys wanted to hear some of the audio captured.
Speaker 4: All of this is captured from the port, which makes
Speaker 4: it even creepier. Yes, they can get loud, but some
Speaker 4: of this you can tell they are pretty dang close.
Speaker 3: So Greg is gone.
Speaker 4: A lot of the time, what starts to happen is
Speaker 4: strange sounds outside. Here's a good example. They have chickens.
Speaker 4: There's one chicken. He's a special chicken. His name was Pepe.
Speaker 4: Peep would actually fly up and sit on people's shoulders,
Speaker 4: the cool chicken. He was unique and it was Donna's
Speaker 4: favorite chicken. Peep went missing one night, one day, I'm
Speaker 4: sure it was overnight. Couldn't figure out how in the
Speaker 4: world peepe got out of the pen, But okay, it
Speaker 4: can happen. Peep's back the next day in the chicken coube. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's a little weird. Whatever happens again now at this point,
Speaker 4: for the second time, Pepe goes missing. David and Derek
Speaker 4: and Shane and all the Olympic Project guys have already
Speaker 4: been called in because there's been some weird stuff going on.
Speaker 4: I forgot to mention Donna is bad to the bone.
Speaker 4: She's a bad to the bone woman, no nonsense. She
Speaker 4: was a photographer for National Geographic, would go to Africa
Speaker 4: and photograph and film lions and she's awesome, very no
Speaker 4: nonsense person. So when this stuff is starting to go down,
Speaker 4: she realizes she needs to reach out to someone, and
Speaker 4: the Olympic Project is who she reached out to, so
Speaker 4: David and them are already involved. Peepe goes missing the
Speaker 4: second time. David goes, I know this sounds really weird.
Speaker 4: Probably not gonna like this. Go to the woodline and
Speaker 4: act for them to give Pete back. And she said, what, No,
Speaker 4: that is so crazy and silly. Come on, David, just
Speaker 4: do it. So she does, and by god, the next
Speaker 4: day after she asked for Pete back, and the second
Speaker 4: time he was gone longer. I don't recall how long
Speaker 4: she said Pepe was gone that second time. It wasn't overnight.
Speaker 4: Heep was back in the coop. He did go missing
Speaker 4: a third time. I don't have time frames. I don't
Speaker 4: recall the timeframes on how long or if she had
Speaker 4: to ask for him back. But I do know that
Speaker 4: asking for him back actually did work. Now you can say,
Speaker 4: first time, maybe he's a really smart chicken on top
Speaker 4: of having actually some personality to him.
Speaker 3: Maybe he got out. Second time, that's a little weird. Third,
Speaker 3: fourth time.
Speaker 4: Something is definitely going on. Man, Donna've laughed about it.
Speaker 4: We're like, if Peepe could talk, man, I bet beyond
Speaker 4: his PTSD that boy has some stories. He has got
Speaker 4: some real trauma that chicken right there. So things like
Speaker 4: that are going on. Something that she never told David
Speaker 4: that she tried was she went to a store and
Speaker 4: there was a doll that under her clothing was on
Speaker 4: her belly. This giggle, the baby giggle creepy, especially with
Speaker 4: what happens after she takes it. She goes I didn't
Speaker 4: even tell David I did this because he wouldn't like
Speaker 4: it to put it in the ravine somewhere, And sure enough,
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night on recording, you can
Speaker 4: hear the baby giggle without being watched that much, or
Speaker 4: of course, if you have opposable thumbs, I'm sure they're
Speaker 4: picking it up. What in the hell is this out
Speaker 4: in my living room? It kept getting activated. Now, the
Speaker 4: reason they bought this particular property is because it had
Speaker 4: incredible views, so they didn't have curtains up and blinds up.
Speaker 3: Who would want to block this amazing view.
Speaker 4: Greg had a certain chair that he would sit in
Speaker 4: when he was home onen't home a lot. David had
Speaker 4: walked the property at some point and noticed that within
Speaker 4: the fencing part of it was moved over.
Speaker 3: And let me see what's doing here.
Speaker 4: And he's kind of looking and he's, oh, that's right
Speaker 4: where Greg sits when he's home at nine he's reading,
Speaker 4: or he's on his phone, whatever he's doing.
Speaker 3: That's like his chill chair. Is Greg's chair.
Speaker 4: Right through that slat where that thing was pulled off
Speaker 4: the nail whatever, it was a direct site to the
Speaker 4: window where Greg would sit. David fixed that back where
Speaker 4: it was supposed to go fence his hole again. Next
Speaker 4: time he came out, moved the same way. It was
Speaker 4: right in the same spot to see Greg. Donna felt
Speaker 4: like she was always being watched there. She got to
Speaker 4: the point, and this actually makes me really sad to
Speaker 4: hear her say this, especially when they were so proud
Speaker 4: of that property and they loved it so much. She
Speaker 4: got to the point where she would make sure that
Speaker 4: everything was done downstairs so that she didn't have to
Speaker 4: walk in certain parts of the house and have the
Speaker 4: lights on because, like David said, she wasn't a fish bowl. Essentially,
Speaker 4: we love them, but they're the freaks at Table nine
Speaker 4: and they're all watching her all the time. There was
Speaker 4: an instance where I should have gone back and listened
Speaker 4: to this part. She put a baseball cap on one
Speaker 4: day and she was walking around on the property and
Speaker 4: they threw an absolute fit about that. Now was it
Speaker 4: because they didn't recognize her. They thought it was someone
Speaker 4: new because they obviously seemed to like her schedule, Greg's schedule.
Speaker 4: If Greg was around, there was more activity. The dogs
Speaker 4: are a big part of this too. The dogs, from
Speaker 4: the onset of getting this property hated to go outside.
Speaker 3: They didn't like it.
Speaker 4: And she has sent me pictures of I think it
Speaker 4: was Leyla sitting next to one of the fences that
Speaker 4: runs down the back of the property and then just
Speaker 4: staring off into the woodline, ears up, hackles up. Something's
Speaker 4: not cool. I even told her, I'm like zooming in
Speaker 4: on the shadows. I bet he's like right there, you
Speaker 4: just can't see them. Because they're amazing like that. They
Speaker 4: just blend in so well. The dogs hated to go outside.
Speaker 4: They had lived in other places Idaho, I forget the
Speaker 4: other place that they had lived in the middle of
Speaker 4: essentially nowhere in the woods. Dogs never had a problem.
Speaker 4: I think these are labs anyhow, These are dogs that
Speaker 4: loves to be outside. They didn't love to be outside
Speaker 4: of this property. They just knew that something was very off.
Speaker 4: So there are recordings that have essentially especially for me,
Speaker 4: and I'll play some of these. And David is one
Speaker 4: of the most transparent people about this stuff. He will
Speaker 4: straight up tell you I put it in the spectrograph.
Speaker 4: I can't tell you what this is, but I can
Speaker 4: tell you it's not a person. You know that that
Speaker 4: can be proven at least, all right, I'll play a
Speaker 4: couple of these. This one was early on. This one
Speaker 4: is titled Horn Vocal. This is when Greg got sent
Speaker 4: this audio clip. This was very very early on, I
Speaker 4: think maybe a month within the Olympic project starting to
Speaker 4: go there and seeing what was doing. This was the
Speaker 4: audio that Greg said, oh, maybe something is going on here,
Speaker 4: so let me play that. So that's Luke, because most
Speaker 4: people go, can you play that again? Can he play
Speaker 4: that again? So if it sounds like it's looped, it is.
Speaker 4: This was one of the turning points for at least Greg.
Speaker 4: I think at this point Donna already knew because she
Speaker 4: had not only seen it, but she's living with this
Speaker 4: day and day out. This is the horn vocal. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just very powerful stuff. We have sounds that are
Speaker 4: comparable to the Sierra Sounds Ron Moorehead Cierra Sounds caption
Speaker 4: in California. You will think that this is pulled from
Speaker 4: the Sierra Sounds, but it's not. In fact, it's so
Speaker 4: similar that when David sent it to Ron Moorehead, Ron goes,
Speaker 4: why are you sending me my own recordings? This is
Speaker 4: Donna and Gregg's property. Oh okay, and I think that
Speaker 4: Ron's actually been out there. So here is some samurai
Speaker 4: chatter from Donna and Greggs again recorder on the back deck.
Speaker 3: All right, This next one is one of my favorites.
Speaker 4: David titled it Family Disagreement, but I remember telling them
Speaker 4: during our chat, I go, that's Jurassic Park. That's some
Speaker 4: crazy stuff right there. Or Donna to be home alone
Speaker 4: that much and have this, knowing that this is what's
Speaker 4: going on in your backyard and you're alone. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: here's what I lovingly call Jurassic Park. So David says
Speaker 4: it sounds like he calls it a power knock, that
Speaker 4: power knock that would knock.
Speaker 3: At the end, was like, all right, that's enough.
Speaker 4: Just zip it, zippit woman or zipp it man or
Speaker 4: zipit kid, whatever it was.
Speaker 3: This is the stuff that would go on, not every
Speaker 3: single night. There would be two, three weeks of a break.
Speaker 3: To Donna, that was actually a lot.
Speaker 4: But when you say that that's actually wild, all you
Speaker 4: would get is a couple of weeks or three weeks
Speaker 4: of a break, and then it would start up all
Speaker 4: over again. It didn't really seem to matter too much
Speaker 4: about whether or any of that kind of stuff. Oh
Speaker 4: and in fact, I remember Donna saying that which one
Speaker 4: was it that she needed the break from? I should
Speaker 4: have written that down. There was one that she heard.
Speaker 4: Oh it was also the horn vocal that I played
Speaker 4: right out of the gate. That was one where she goes,
Speaker 4: I actually need a break from listening. Because you have
Speaker 4: to remember that she would set this out, wouldn't listen
Speaker 4: to it, would just send it to David, and then
Speaker 4: he's trying to catch up and go through stuff. So
Speaker 4: whatever the time difference there of it actually happening in
Speaker 4: her finding out about it, who knows.
Speaker 3: But she wasn't trying to stay up and listen to this.
Speaker 4: She's hearing it enough, and she goes in some instances, yes,
Speaker 4: I would hear it while I'm in the house, But
Speaker 4: other times I know that I was just so exhausted
Speaker 4: and so tired, or for whatever reason, I did not
Speaker 4: hear it live and in person. So this stuff is
Speaker 4: just trickling and trickling in from David. That first vocal,
Speaker 4: that horn vocal that also got Greg to go, oh
Speaker 4: my goodness, what is happening here? She also is like, yep,
Speaker 4: could use a break. I'm going to take a little
Speaker 4: break because it's so different to go to a location
Speaker 4: that you know is active like I have done, and
Speaker 4: have something happen and be able to leave. But when
Speaker 4: it's your home, yikes, that's a huge Be careful what
Speaker 4: you wish for, Even myself, I'm thinking about maybe in
Speaker 4: a year or two, who knows, going to Tennessee. I
Speaker 4: would love to have some green and some land and
Speaker 4: fewer people look in your face. You have to go, gosh,
Speaker 4: would I really want that? I say that I do,
Speaker 4: but I think I live I am demented like that.
Speaker 4: It's always a be careful what you wish for. Because
Speaker 4: this changed Donna's every day, she tried to take the
Speaker 4: dogs out as early as she could. Even the poor
Speaker 4: dogs didn't want to go out anyway, so she goes.
Speaker 4: They started to go to the bathroom essentially right near
Speaker 4: the walkway of the house. It's quite a long walkway.
Speaker 4: It's not like they were just all over the patio there.
Speaker 4: They had so much room to roam, and they didn't
Speaker 4: want to roam. They were like, peace out, Nope, not
Speaker 4: doing it. And she's fine, I don't want to go
Speaker 4: outside anyway, girls, let's go okay, here are some whoops.
Speaker 4: They started to say things like the whoops and the
Speaker 4: wood knocks became so the norm.
Speaker 3: It was kind of like, ho hum.
Speaker 4: That is wild that you get so used to hearing
Speaker 4: this stuff so often.
Speaker 5: So here's a couple of the whoops.
Speaker 4: Here is one of the screams that they could hear,
Speaker 4: and stay.
Speaker 1: Tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 6: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: After these messages.
Speaker 3: A lot of power behind that sea.
Speaker 4: And that's one that it seems like it could be
Speaker 4: a little further away, right, but you can still tell
Speaker 4: that that's a set of lungs. I want to save
Speaker 4: one of the Koudi graph for very last as far
Speaker 4: as the audio goes, here is one like a babboon
Speaker 4: type of a sound, because David would pull an actual
Speaker 4: babboon sound and then put it to this and there
Speaker 4: are similarities except the big pair of lungs. From what
Speaker 4: it sounds like, that scream and the grunt, that gravelly.
Speaker 3: Sound that baboons can have.
Speaker 4: Again right off the back porch, Welcome home, everybody.
Speaker 3: This is what's going down, all right.
Speaker 4: Whoopy Wookie is the next one. So that's why he
Speaker 4: taught it whoop be Wookie, because that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 4: It's trying to say, whoop be Wookie, whoopee.
Speaker 3: It's hard to tell.
Speaker 4: And we'll play that one more time because now we're
Speaker 4: getting into the talking type stuff, which is it's extra
Speaker 4: creepy and amazing. At the end of that one, it
Speaker 4: almost sounds the same as the whoopie whoopee. At the end, Wookie,
Speaker 4: it's saying the same thing. Don't know who knows what
Speaker 4: exactly they're saying. We just do not know, all right,
Speaker 4: last two crow Talker and then Layla Layla Bridget crow
Speaker 4: Talker first.
Speaker 3: Jurassic Park.
Speaker 4: I swear, okay, also before I forget this point, before
Speaker 4: I played the last little sample that I haven't. I
Speaker 4: think that we played quite a bit more on my episode.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if this is boring for people.
Speaker 4: Hopefully not. But they did try to set up trail cameras.
Speaker 4: Of course, they definitely did that, but as per usual
Speaker 4: however they do it, they were able to avoid said
Speaker 4: trailcams each and every time it might go off, but
Speaker 4: there was never ever anything on it. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: there's anything paranormal to that. It might have just gone
Speaker 4: off for another reason, and there wasn't a bigfoot anywhere
Speaker 4: near there.
Speaker 3: David goes, it looks like an eye.
Speaker 4: But I don't think that they know that a trail
Speaker 4: cam takes their picture or a video. A trail camera
Speaker 4: has what looks like an I said them, let's face it,
Speaker 4: you're hanging it up in their house. Essentially, you're gonna
Speaker 4: notice this something is hung up on the damn wall
Speaker 4: in your house that wasn't there before. And these things
Speaker 4: are very intelligent. Obviously to what level we don't know,
Speaker 4: but let's face it, they talk, they can avoid us
Speaker 4: who could blame them, right, That is what has gone
Speaker 4: on there is just trying to capture as much audio
Speaker 4: as possible and definitely trying to get them on video.
Speaker 4: Never ever happened, Never happened. Okay, this is one of
Speaker 4: my favorite ones. Greg would go out and call the
Speaker 4: dogs and he'd called the dogs, of course, in a
Speaker 4: certain way. You just have this certain cadence that you
Speaker 4: do certain things right. He'd go, layla bridget, layla bridge it.
Speaker 4: That's how he would call the dogs in. So let's
Speaker 4: listen to layla bridget as the coup de gras.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 4: It's that almost got it. It's layla layla brigo, is
Speaker 4: what it's saying. Close, very close, Donna goes. That's not,
Speaker 4: of course Greg's tone of voice, but that is the
Speaker 4: exact cadence that he would call the dogs in.
Speaker 3: So that is just wild.
Speaker 4: And those are some of my favorite cuts from all
Speaker 4: of their audio. But that is just a drop in
Speaker 4: the bucket from what they have captured. Heck, even on
Speaker 4: three hundred David, I think said, this is just a
Speaker 4: small cross section of what.
Speaker 3: We have captured. So when we were there for.
Speaker 4: This project that never came about, the house was pretty
Speaker 4: much sold. They were moving, and they were moving because
Speaker 4: of this activity pretty much. Unfortunately, it became a little
Speaker 4: bit too much for Donna, who was there pretty much
Speaker 4: all the time by herself. Was their dream property changed
Speaker 4: quite a bit after the big guys were very interested
Speaker 4: in her, especially so I actually, in preparation for talking
Speaker 4: about this Brian, I talked to Donna quite a bit still,
Speaker 4: I touched base with her yesterday.
Speaker 3: I asked her, have.
Speaker 4: You heard any new anything from the owners, the neighbors,
Speaker 4: And by the way, one of the neighbors did bring
Speaker 4: up that they forget the verbias that they used. It
Speaker 4: was something about, oh, yeah, there's other animals in the
Speaker 4: area for sure, And she's like other because it's tough.
Speaker 3: It's tough.
Speaker 4: You can't just come out and just vomit the word
Speaker 4: bigfoot to just anybody, because you will be labeled the
Speaker 4: freak forever. Sometimes it's good to not have the neighbors
Speaker 4: think you're a freak. Let's just be honest. So I
Speaker 4: understand where she was like, well, what do you mean,
Speaker 4: do you mean bigfoot? Most people wouldn't do that. I
Speaker 4: don't blame her anyhow, touch base with her yesterday, asked
Speaker 4: her the question and she goes, you know what. Shortly
Speaker 4: after they took possession of the house, the real estate
Speaker 4: agent got in touch with Donham and.
Speaker 3: He goes, oh, hey, the new.
Speaker 4: Owners were wondering what kind of wildlife did you see
Speaker 4: around here? What kind of animals did you see here?
Speaker 3: And she's all.
Speaker 4: Cougars and bobcats and bears. She's like why, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 4: they just think they saw some big hairy thing down
Speaker 4: the ravine. I'm sure it was just a bear, and
Speaker 4: she goes, I was just dying to push more on
Speaker 4: that or to go, oh my god, just tell another
Speaker 4: person would feel amazing, because you know why that was
Speaker 4: being asked.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you know that bears are in Washington State.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna have your real to reach out to
Speaker 4: the other owner about known animals like bears in Washington State.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: So nothing went further than that essentially in that regard,
Speaker 4: and even David was like, I don't say bigfoot sasquatch,
Speaker 4: the big dogs don't really bring that up probably, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's where that stopped as far as that communication.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to be sure to add that caveat
Speaker 4: I'm because stuff is still going on there, at least
Speaker 4: back when they sold it. She and I as were
Speaker 4: talking yesterday, I like, gosh, I really wonder if the Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: because they were so keyed into Donna and Gregg's routine.
Speaker 3: They seem to like routine.
Speaker 4: Once they moved and someone else knew moved in, I'm
Speaker 4: wondering what kind of.
Speaker 3: Fits they threw.
Speaker 4: Did they disappear for a while, did it ramp up
Speaker 4: or did it die down, or did it stay the
Speaker 4: same because of like that example of don't know wearing
Speaker 4: that baseball cap and then throwing an absolute fit. They
Speaker 4: couldn't stand it. Something I didn't mention in the beginning,
Speaker 4: which would have been helpful, is that before Donna and
Speaker 4: Greg moved in, that property sat vacant for quite a
Speaker 4: long time. Now what that is could be for the
Speaker 4: same reason that Donna moved out, We don't know, but
Speaker 4: it had sat for quite a long while before they
Speaker 4: moved in. And then if that's the case, and hey,
Speaker 4: maybe they just liked Donna Moore for whatever reason. Could
Speaker 4: it be that she was just someone that they just liked,
Speaker 4: they found her entertaining. Maybe the new people moved in
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, they're not interested in them.
Speaker 3: It could be the same as us.
Speaker 4: We're attracted to certain people, or we find certain people
Speaker 4: more interesting. The sound of their voice. I'm sure some
Speaker 4: people hear my voice like grating.
Speaker 3: I get it. I can't stand editing myself.
Speaker 4: So maybe they are in that realm where they go
Speaker 4: I like you, I don't like you, I like you,
Speaker 4: I don't like you.
Speaker 3: Out of that scene from the movie. I won't use
Speaker 3: the verbiage, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It could be or it could just be as simple
Speaker 4: as were their entertainment, no matter if we're in their
Speaker 4: living room, for lack of a better term, if we're
Speaker 4: there to watch why not?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 4: I do wonder if there's a curtains or blinds in
Speaker 4: that house now, if there's still there, I do wonder that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think I would be putting blinds up
Speaker 1: in the house. We bought this forty acres that we
Speaker 1: live on here in North Carolina back in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: and we started hearing vocalizations. I cast footprints a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago sixty yards from our front door. Here.
Speaker 1: It's unnerving, and we don't have anywhere near the kind
Speaker 1: of activity they're having there on that property, or we're
Speaker 1: having on that property before they sold it, but it
Speaker 1: was still unnerving for us. At first, the vocalizations were
Speaker 1: what sounded like a mile away, and then one night
Speaker 1: they were fifty yards from the house. It's a different feeling.
Speaker 1: It's an unnerving thing to feel like there's something out
Speaker 1: there that you don't know what it is. People have
Speaker 1: asked me, when you heard that vocalization from fifty yards away,
Speaker 1: did you run out there and see what it was?
Speaker 1: I was like, No, I didn't go out there and
Speaker 1: see what it was. I'm not stupid. I was a cop.
Speaker 1: My gut kept me alive in that job. There was
Speaker 1: nothing in me that wanted to see what that was.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of fear involved in that situation.
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine being there the majority of the time,
Speaker 1: like you said, by herself, and dealing with that over
Speaker 1: and over. I think they probably handled it longer than
Speaker 1: most people would. I love the audio part of this.
Speaker 1: It seems to be. The more I interview people that
Speaker 1: claim to have this habituation or cohabitation situation with Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: It's been my experience that those people tend to have
Speaker 1: the least amount of evidence then people who just happen
Speaker 1: upon it and snap a photo or record something. So
Speaker 1: it's so cool to me to have those kind of
Speaker 1: eyewitness experiences and then have the audio to back it up.
Speaker 1: Because audio is what I do for a living. It's
Speaker 1: what you do for a living, so I'm very partial
Speaker 1: to audio. David is my go to guy. I've got
Speaker 1: him on speed dial on my phone. If somebody sends
Speaker 1: me something, I'll text it to David and say, hey,
Speaker 1: listen to this. Oh it's a bart out. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: But it's so cool to have that resource, and it's
Speaker 1: so important to me. The Sierra Sounds a little bit
Speaker 1: of the Sierra say that have been out there forever.
Speaker 1: I was up at Ron's house earlier this year and
Speaker 1: interviewed him about there's a documentary that is coming out
Speaker 1: about the Sierra Sounds that may already be out.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I don't get to watch as much television and
Speaker 1: documentaries as i'd like to but I went up there
Speaker 1: specifically to talk to Ron about the unreleased Sierra Sounds.
Speaker 1: I think he's got twelve or fourteen hours, maybe even
Speaker 1: more that he hasn't released, and I was like, Ron,
Speaker 1: you gotta let me help you go through this stuff, dude,
Speaker 1: because there's so many people experiencing things in so many
Speaker 1: different places that we could be comparing this to what
Speaker 1: you guys recorded back in the seventies, late sixties, early seventies.
Speaker 1: So hopefully, I think once the documentary is out, I'm
Speaker 1: going to help him categorize some of that stuff so
Speaker 1: that it can trickle out to people. Because I've heard
Speaker 1: the samurai chatter that's on the Sierra Sounds when I
Speaker 1: was up in Radium, BC, Canada with Tidd standing like
Speaker 1: two years ago. It's unnerving and it's one of the
Speaker 1: weirdest things I've ever experienced. And I got to see
Speaker 1: these things three times summer out in Washington State. We
Speaker 1: were actually working out of the Olympic Project headquarters when
Speaker 1: I had my experiences. That area holds a special place
Speaker 1: for me. I'm going out on expedition with less Stroud
Speaker 1: at some point in time, hopefully in the next month.
Speaker 1: I was trying to get Less to take the expedition there.
Speaker 1: I think he wants to do it in Canada, but
Speaker 1: I have a special place in my heart for that area.
Speaker 1: We've talked about Bigfoot a lot. I know you mentioned
Speaker 1: that you had some other weird experiences. So before we
Speaker 1: get out of here, I would be remiss if I
Speaker 1: didn't ask you to share your other weird encounters and
Speaker 1: or experiences with other unknown creatures in the world.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I don't know my inception into Bigfoot, but I
Speaker 4: know my inception into knowing. Now this is a knowing
Speaker 4: situation that other things are out there that we don't
Speaker 4: know what the heck they are. That was when I
Speaker 4: was a teenager. Divorce parents' dad had a cabin in
Speaker 4: Duck Creek, Utah. It's up a mountain from Cedar City.
Speaker 4: A lot of Vegas people go out there day in
Speaker 4: day out. We were either fishing or we were on
Speaker 4: our fourlers. This is during the summer, very dry, no clouds,
Speaker 4: no weather drama. The way that the cabins are set
Speaker 4: up up there, it still is. Actually I went back
Speaker 4: there a few years back. Dirt roads pretty much set
Speaker 4: up in a semi grid pattern. It's easy to get
Speaker 4: around there. We'd be hauling ass everywhere on our fourlers.
Speaker 4: But Dad was a stickler for helmets, which, hey, great,
Speaker 4: that's a good idea.
Speaker 3: Everyone shot.
Speaker 4: Dad was down in Cedar City on this particular day.
Speaker 4: Since Dad wasn't around, I didn't have my helmet on.
Speaker 4: I don't recall if my brother or stepbrother did, but
Speaker 4: I didn't. Those things are hot and they just sucked
Speaker 4: a wears the second you can, you tend to take
Speaker 4: them off. The other thing, I'll say, if folks aren't
Speaker 4: privy to it, if you have your goggle on as well.
Speaker 4: They're plastic. You can't have glass in your eyes, so
Speaker 4: they're plastic. You can't see Schissa.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see what
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Out of those at some parts, but you got to
Speaker 4: have them on. So I didn't have any of that
Speaker 4: gear on. So I could see. I could hear, of course,
Speaker 4: my machine. Mostly it's dusty, it's dry. I'm in the back,
Speaker 4: the boys they're out in front of me. I'm hanging
Speaker 4: back because I'm going get the stickers, like eat my dust.
Speaker 4: I was eating their dust, so I was back. Now
Speaker 4: I mentioned how Salt Fork was extremely brushy like ground brush.
Speaker 4: It has the trees, but then they got a lot
Speaker 4: of ground brush there. This area of Duck Creek, Utah
Speaker 4: did not have that. It was a lot of aspen
Speaker 4: trees that don't have a lot going on until they
Speaker 4: get higher up, and not a lot of ground brush.
Speaker 4: There was some felled trees a little bit on the ground.
Speaker 4: So that'll come into play here in a moment. At
Speaker 4: some point while I'm writing, I just glanced off into
Speaker 4: the woods again, bright the sunshiny day, not thick woods
Speaker 4: like Washington State in any way, shape or form. You
Speaker 4: have several feet before you hit another tree, but they're
Speaker 4: scattered around. Of course, I look off and I see
Speaker 4: four hitch black human shaped figures. I describe them as
Speaker 4: cutouts from the deepest dark. What is that vanta black
Speaker 4: or whatever? Folks call that? Like blacker than black? Right,
Speaker 4: you hear people say that it was blacker than the
Speaker 4: darkness of that black around it, or human shaped essential cutouts.
Speaker 3: We're like two d. It was very strange, and.
Speaker 4: They were pumping their arms and legs and they were
Speaker 4: about thirty feet into the woodline from myself on my machine,
Speaker 4: I'm still going, I'm still writing. They're pumping their legs
Speaker 4: and their arms. I immediately thought, why are you.
Speaker 3: Even doing that?
Speaker 4: Like, where are you? Where am I? What's going on here?
Speaker 4: I knew immediately this was something not of this world.
Speaker 4: This is not to say that they were running through
Speaker 4: the trees. I don't know how to describe this part.
Speaker 4: It's really hard to do. But they didn't have to dodge,
Speaker 4: duck dive all the dodge bowl stuff. They didn't have
Speaker 4: to use the d words in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 4: They weren't going through the trees. It was like they
Speaker 4: were in a different place than me completely, And I
Speaker 4: was just seeing this little blip on this screen for
Speaker 4: a second of this other place. These homies are doing
Speaker 4: some whatever they're doing, and I'm over here. And I
Speaker 4: watched them for about a five second count, like full
Speaker 4: five seconds, which is actually a decently long time. I mean,
Speaker 4: when you're in those situations, it feels more like a
Speaker 4: full minute, but it's really just probably on thousand.
Speaker 3: And one, thousand and two, but that was a long time.
Speaker 4: Anyhow, I'm still holling ass on my fourwhelder, so I
Speaker 4: do need to check my path again and I do that.
Speaker 4: I glanced this way and I glance back and they're gone,
Speaker 4: completely gone.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what in the actual nowhere to be seen?
Speaker 3: That was it.
Speaker 4: It was five seconds of seeing essentially, for lack of
Speaker 4: a better term, foreshadow people right, foreshadow beings whatever, and
Speaker 4: the heck these things are now. It did freak me
Speaker 4: out enough to where I caught up to my brother
Speaker 4: and my stepbrother and I said, Hey, I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: back to the cabin for a little bit, Like.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about.
Speaker 4: We just got out of here, and we did this
Speaker 4: all day till our butts were not That's what we did,
Speaker 4: fished or four wheeled.
Speaker 3: I said, now I'm going to go back for a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 4: I actually didn't go running for a couple of days
Speaker 4: after that. It wasn't that I was completely utterly terrified.
Speaker 4: It's just I was just trying to probably come to
Speaker 4: grips with's what I saw. When my dad got back,
Speaker 4: I did tell him what I saw, and he's ex military,
Speaker 4: so he goes, ah, it was just military guys doing
Speaker 4: their exercises or what.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Dad, No, you don't understand.
Speaker 4: There wasn't a seam rivet nothing to break from.
Speaker 3: Head to toe.
Speaker 4: These things looked like this was not some bed of
Speaker 4: the bone gear that they had on that made them
Speaker 4: look like this. If it was, Holy Chisa, I can
Speaker 4: only imagine what we have now.
Speaker 3: If that's what that was.
Speaker 4: He said, no, it's probably just military guys doing an exercise.
Speaker 3: I say no. Still of this day he remembers telling
Speaker 3: me that. By the way, I do say though, even.
Speaker 4: Though I didn't go writing for a few days, that
Speaker 4: experience would have been so much different from me to
Speaker 4: where it might have terrified me if they had interacted
Speaker 4: with me in any way.
Speaker 3: None of them looked my way.
Speaker 4: They didn't flip me the bird as I'm writing or
Speaker 4: grin at me.
Speaker 3: There was no interaction.
Speaker 4: So I do feel that had that happened, that might
Speaker 4: have ratcheted up some form of terror, fright, or changing
Speaker 4: how I felt about going out into the woods or
Speaker 4: going writing. Because I went back out writing. I love
Speaker 4: the wood still to this day.
Speaker 3: I actually don't expect to see anything like that again.
Speaker 4: I talked to so many people on my show. They'll
Speaker 4: send in these lists, and not everybody has to have
Speaker 4: a list to come on my show. By the way,
Speaker 4: I think that people feel like that. They're like, I
Speaker 4: don't have a whole list of things. I'm like, hell,
Speaker 4: I don't either. A lot of times, each bullet point
Speaker 4: on that list for people is a completely different one
Speaker 4: off situation, which is just as fascinating as like a
Speaker 4: Donna and Greg situation where you just sit in Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: For two hours.
Speaker 4: I actually it was like a three hour conversation with
Speaker 4: David and Donna, and you're just sitting there and you're
Speaker 4: having that conversation. But the one off conversations are just
Speaker 4: as fascinating and just as puzzling, because you go, why
Speaker 4: did I only see that one time?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: Was I even looking at some freaky freaking movie from
Speaker 4: the Fifth Dimension? I don't know, but that was my
Speaker 4: oh crap. There's definitely other stuff out there. There's definitely
Speaker 4: other stuff going on. I do recall, and I think
Speaker 4: I've found the paper since and I still have horrible handwriting.
Speaker 3: It's even worse back then.
Speaker 4: But I went around to some of my neighbors and
Speaker 4: I was like the tubs of paper said something like.
Speaker 3: You're a weird experience.
Speaker 4: I'd hand it out nerd Badge, and some people did
Speaker 4: fill that out so I guess even back then, I
Speaker 4: was trying to collect stories, trying to collect encounters, and
Speaker 4: you just don't want to be the only one. That's
Speaker 4: why I do the show, and that's why I'm so
Speaker 4: lucky to still have people that want to talk to
Speaker 4: me and still want to listen to me. I'm very
Speaker 4: humble by that. That's where it all comes from. It's
Speaker 4: just that interaction.
Speaker 3: You're not alone. I'm not alone. We're all in this
Speaker 3: little weird group together. Heck yeah.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: It's funny because once people find out your regular job
Speaker 4: what you do.
Speaker 3: At first they're like, you should do what a paranormal?
Speaker 3: What you saw what?
Speaker 4: They give you that look, But then a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks later they'll come back and go, you know what,
Speaker 4: actually this one time, I'm like, yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3: You know, it happens a lot.
Speaker 4: I think many people have experiences that they're not comfortable
Speaker 4: to share. Totally get it, completely understand. I know, Brian,
Speaker 4: you feel the same way. It's like anybody that is
Speaker 4: willing to come on and share, my goodness, gracious, you
Speaker 4: have no idea how much we appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I want to be respectful of your time. But I've
Speaker 1: got to ask you this question because you've been doing
Speaker 1: this for a long time, and people told me. When
Speaker 1: I first got into this doing the show and talking
Speaker 1: to people and interviewing people about their experiences, people said
Speaker 1: to me, I'm a very flesh and blood guy. I'm
Speaker 1: still very skeptical. I've had my own encounters. I was
Speaker 1: ten feet away from a sasquatch last year, so I
Speaker 1: know these things are real, but I'm still very skeptical
Speaker 1: about people. I say it all the time. I'm not
Speaker 1: skeptical about bigfoot. I am skeptical about people and what
Speaker 1: they put forward as evidence. So I'm always going to
Speaker 1: be that guy. And people say, how can you be
Speaker 1: so skeptical of bigfoot when you've seen it? Again, it's
Speaker 1: not the phenomenon itself, it's the people. But one thing
Speaker 1: that has happened to me is I've seen a progression.
Speaker 1: I'm a very nuts bolts, flesh and blood kind of guy.
Speaker 1: If I've planted my flag in any camp, it's always
Speaker 1: been in the flesh and blood camp. But even my
Speaker 1: own experiences of seeing glowing white eyes and some of
Speaker 1: the weirder things that people describe in conjunction with sometimes
Speaker 1: simultaneously with having these experiences with bigfoot. I think you
Speaker 1: mentioned it early in the interview. You would put those
Speaker 1: into boxes of Okay, that's weird, but we're here to
Speaker 1: talk about bigfoot. I don't do that so much anymore
Speaker 1: when I've talked to people. I've even had interviews just
Speaker 1: as recently as a couple of days ago, where people
Speaker 1: are telling me, Hey, I do UFO research while I'm
Speaker 1: out looking for bigfoot, and I'm seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: correlations there. So people have told me, Hey, the longer
Speaker 1: you're in this, you're going to go into the WU camp,
Speaker 1: or you're going to move into that high strangeness camp
Speaker 1: because you're going to have those experiences yourself, or you're
Speaker 1: going to talk to enough people that convince you. Has
Speaker 1: that been the case for you? Has that been a
Speaker 1: progression for you? And I'm certainly not asking you to
Speaker 1: plan a flag anywhere, but has that been the case
Speaker 1: for you. The longer you've been in this and the
Speaker 1: more people you've talked to, are you more open to
Speaker 1: those other high strangeness or weird experiences? And do you
Speaker 1: think there is a possibility that there may be some
Speaker 1: correlation with these creatures and some of those high strangeness events.
Speaker 4: I am one hundred percent essentially what you just said.
Speaker 4: The longer that I do this, Let's face it, there
Speaker 4: are no experts in this like those of you that
Speaker 4: have actually seen these things with your own eyes. You
Speaker 4: can speak to this much better than someone like myself
Speaker 4: who has not laid eyes on how it moves.
Speaker 3: All of the.
Speaker 4: Attributes that we hear about bigfoot, right, But if anyone
Speaker 4: says they're an expert, just run.
Speaker 3: It cannot be. It just cannot be.
Speaker 4: It is impossible unless you are hiding one in your garage.
Speaker 4: You do know more, and in that case, shame on
Speaker 4: you for not sharing with the world. Improving that once
Speaker 4: and for all. We're not freaks for talking about bigfoot
Speaker 4: and thinking they're out there. But yes, the more I
Speaker 4: try to sit into one side of the flesh and
Speaker 4: blood man, that stuff just comes up.
Speaker 3: And the people that I talked to, I believe that
Speaker 3: they believe what happened to them.
Speaker 4: If not, Brad Pitt, get out of here because they
Speaker 4: need to take your freaking job.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's impossible by any means, but over
Speaker 4: and over again, there's just these strange things that happen
Speaker 4: when you are out bigfooting. I neglected to mention those slaps.
Speaker 4: It was like the mountain from Game of Thrones had
Speaker 4: been open handed, just smacking the sheisa out of these buildings.
Speaker 3: Just boom. We all run out.
Speaker 4: We just had this freaking orb situation which we all
Speaker 4: were like, no, this is not happening. Slaps to the building.
Speaker 4: We all run out to where the slaps were. Nothing there,
Speaker 4: nobody there, nothing there, plenty of open area. If that
Speaker 4: was a person, my goodness, g go run on the
Speaker 4: three hundred meter track because I don't know how they
Speaker 4: got out of there so fast.
Speaker 3: Now am I saying that's bigfoot? No, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Nobody saw what made those smacking noises. I wonder what
Speaker 4: Wes says about that now, because I'm sure that all
Speaker 4: of our recollections are slightly different of such a thing.
Speaker 3: Sorry, long winded way of saying.
Speaker 4: I tend to ebb and flow some days with where
Speaker 4: I really sit with things, but not having at least
Speaker 4: an open mind enough to say that there is a
Speaker 4: possibility of something else going on. I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: just cutting things off at the knees when we do
Speaker 4: need to keep the full picture, like editing out certain
Speaker 4: parts of reports because it doesn't align with where you
Speaker 4: want it to be.
Speaker 3: I don't even want Bigfoot to be paranormal.
Speaker 4: I don't want it to be because then I feel
Speaker 4: like it'll never be proven. We're never going to figure
Speaker 4: out what it is you. I want to see him
Speaker 4: in a zoo like a gorilla. Absolutely knots. That's horrible.
Speaker 4: Once you lamb bass people for not getting the video
Speaker 4: or not getting this or that, it's unfortunate because the
Speaker 4: community is such that it just eats its own tail
Speaker 4: the whole time. So there's so many people that might
Speaker 4: actually have insane evidence. But you know what, with AI
Speaker 4: now doesn't even really matter. Nothing has even come across
Speaker 4: my radar lately that I think is even two shakes
Speaker 4: of a lamb tail worth a down because you just
Speaker 4: cannot tell anymore. We're screwed in that regard, unfortunately. So
Speaker 4: when you have folks that come on and they do say, no,
Speaker 4: it wasn't eyeshine, it wasn't a reflection that was glowing
Speaker 4: talking about it was glowing and reflecting off of the
Speaker 4: foliage that it was next to what do you do
Speaker 4: with that tracks that just stop in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 4: with nowhere for even something that's the Liam Neeson of
Speaker 4: the Woods didn't have somewhere to jump to to have
Speaker 4: those tracks stop there. And of course, Brian, like part
Speaker 4: of me is like wanting to go into interview mode
Speaker 4: and ask you all these questions, but I'll save that
Speaker 4: for my show when you come on, because you just
Speaker 4: throwing those nuggets in there. I'm like, oh, at least
Speaker 4: ten feet Oh god, yeah, I don't know. Basically, more
Speaker 4: people need to say I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: We need to see what's doing, and everybody can make
Speaker 4: up their own minds, of course, and they already have and.
Speaker 3: They argue about it online every day. Bless them.
Speaker 4: I would love for them to be flesh and blood.
Speaker 4: But why hasn't just one kind of daffy bigfoot just
Speaker 4: aft it up for the whole rest of them, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like they get clipped by the
Speaker 4: dude in the semi that's actually got his buddy in
Speaker 4: the cab with them, that can get a five hundred
Speaker 4: pound bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Why hasn't a daffy one slipped off
Speaker 3: of a cliff it is strange.
Speaker 4: However, I am of the mind that they usually run
Speaker 4: with others.
Speaker 3: That is their whole limo. It's to avoid us. We're shitty,
Speaker 3: so I get it. People suck, so that's their wholemo. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they could bury their dead. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that when they pass away, just like other animals,
Speaker 4: they go somewhere quiet, to be alone in a hole
Speaker 4: under a tree, and they're gone. Even Cliff Brickman talks
Speaker 4: about when elephants pass away, it takes only like six
Speaker 4: months for it to be picked apart and all the
Speaker 4: tissues to be birds and all the predatory things come
Speaker 4: in and things get scattered, and then floods happen and
Speaker 4: whatever else might go on in the wilds.
Speaker 3: So I can see both sides of it.
Speaker 4: Basically, it's just because I saw that light out while
Speaker 4: I was bigfooting. I don't automatically say, of course it's paranormal.
Speaker 4: I was out for bigfoot and I saw an orb. No,
Speaker 4: that could be something totally different. That was super cool
Speaker 4: to see, but it did piss me off a little bit.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, we are not here for this. No,
Speaker 4: we want some bigfoot, damn it, we want some trust beat,
Speaker 4: and I think we all felt like that, to be
Speaker 4: honest with you, we were all laughing about that. But
Speaker 4: it was still a really cool experience and I wouldn't
Speaker 4: change a thing about the people. You know, you learn
Speaker 4: things about people as you moved through. There are some
Speaker 4: amazing people in all of this if you stick to
Speaker 4: your truth, whatever that is. Just keep a little bit
Speaker 4: of an open mind.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it multiple times. Tell everybody what they
Speaker 1: can expect when they go check out into the Fray.
Speaker 1: What are they going to get when they get there?
Speaker 1: What's the show about? Give us the full rundown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so tomorrow actually is my official ten year anniversary,
Speaker 4: which is wild. I said it before, and I know
Speaker 4: that you agree. Like again to anybody who's ever listened, emailed,
Speaker 4: come on the show, especially because that's a whole another level.
Speaker 4: I get it can be stressful. Thank you, thank you
Speaker 4: to anyone who has ever done that. But it is
Speaker 4: into the Fray. Radio dot Com is the way site,
Speaker 4: and then of course all the usual podcatchers, Apple, Spotify, iHeart,
Speaker 4: I do have YouTube. I am going to be doing
Speaker 4: more video on YouTube, finally probably doing what I'm doing
Speaker 4: now with Uma as well.
Speaker 3: Record it.
Speaker 4: It's on their audio with static imagery right now, always
Speaker 4: has been, Yeah, it's not all Bigfoot. I thought that
Speaker 4: it would be a little bit more genuine to my
Speaker 4: background if once I left SC I thought I probably
Speaker 4: would like to do the multi topic show, and so
Speaker 4: I moved into that.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I still do. I wouldn't change a thing about it.
Speaker 4: It's UFOs, it's hauntings, it's Bigfoot. Some of my favorite
Speaker 4: stuff is the stuff that you just can't quite even.
Speaker 3: Put in the UFO Ghost Bigfoot box. It's one of
Speaker 3: those what the actual hell was that? Nobody knows.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna have the answer, but I always tell
Speaker 4: people because they reach out and they go and they
Speaker 4: probably do this to you as well.
Speaker 3: They go, gosh, I would love.
Speaker 4: To talk to you, so you can tell me what
Speaker 4: this is, and you're like, bro, I can't, it ain't me.
Speaker 4: And if they tell you and it's them, you run.
Speaker 4: But what they can do is they can come on
Speaker 4: and then hopefully there's some little nugget in what they
Speaker 4: said that sparks someone else to reach out to you
Speaker 4: or to me on behalf of that guest.
Speaker 3: It goes back to that they're not alone. They're not alone.
Speaker 4: It's always those little weird things that it's like a
Speaker 4: caveat or something like, oh wait, you know what they're
Speaker 4: And also there's this really weird thing about this bigger
Speaker 4: picture thing. And sometimes there's those little strange little nuggets
Speaker 4: that gets it clicking for somebody out there listening, and
Speaker 4: that's what gets them to reach out. And that's all
Speaker 4: we can do, is we just we keep getting the
Speaker 4: encounters out there, and we keep letting people know, no,
Speaker 4: you are not weird.
Speaker 3: You might be weird of your friends family, but hey.
Speaker 4: You come on in here because we're in this weird
Speaker 4: little holler over here flying our freak flags.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Just thanks to everybody.
Speaker 4: It's been quite the ride, and I hope to continue
Speaker 4: to do it as long as my annoying voice will
Speaker 4: still hold out.
Speaker 3: I'm probably still going to do into the Fray. Sorry everybody.
Speaker 1: I love it. It is a fantastic show. We like
Speaker 1: to make it easy for everybody here. It'll be linked
Speaker 1: in the show notes. If you guys go over to
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Speaker 1: blog at the top of the page. I will link
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Speaker 1: these amazing stories. Show us some love on YouTube. I
Speaker 1: know what the YouTube world is like. It's rough out there, folks.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on and spending the time.
Speaker 1: I've had an absolute blast talking to you.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I cannot wait to have you on my show.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Brian.
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