1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Today's show is dedicated to the memory of Ace Frehley. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,640 You are listening to macconnorton Unleashed on WM and H 3 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:15,800 ninety five point three and now the world radio premiere 4 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:18,280 of the new single from Box of Trash. This is 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,399 called Nightmare. 6 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: Hello Lisby, how you planning there? 7 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:51,759 Speaker 3: Yes? 8 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: Bye bye? 9 00:00:53,200 --> 00:01:01,159 Speaker 4: How inside on what I say? 10 00:01:01,719 --> 00:01:02,679 Speaker 5: It's meaning this? 11 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:09,239 Speaker 6: It's a chass piggy chatz to me in cessness now 12 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:15,879 as something shakes me awaken that of Rusty Brock. 13 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 7: I left you love such a night there. 14 00:01:24,439 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 6: I just swam to the best, she said, She said me, 15 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:39,560 yet what you wish for the games, saying that I 16 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:40,719 wanted God. 17 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 7: When I've sold you. 18 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 8: Wow. 19 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:47,599 Speaker 9: So right now. 20 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:54,159 Speaker 6: Lost in town weather, Crown of the Lonely Ground. 21 00:01:56,359 --> 00:01:58,799 Speaker 2: Something shakes me awake. 22 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:01,959 Speaker 10: That a ruse you from the book over. 23 00:02:02,879 --> 00:02:06,519 Speaker 2: I let you know. I'm such a din there. 24 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,439 Speaker 10: I just walk due to care. 25 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: I don't mean it anymore. 26 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,599 Speaker 11: That's something you're coming though, and. 27 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: Nothing need be setting something my body turning. 28 00:02:21,479 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 6: No, I just thought I let you know. She said, 29 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,680 she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, 30 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:14,919 she said, she said, she said. 31 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 7: I never allowed such a nightmare. 32 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 6: Wam es Yeah, I don't hate anyone that's a misnomodone. 33 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:36,919 Speaker 2: I did just set itself. 34 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 4: Feel my body? 35 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: Tell me now how you start? I let you know? 36 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:45,039 Let you know. 37 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: And now the world radio premiere of the new single 38 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,720 from the Far North. This is called Mountain Sun. 39 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:27,199 Speaker 11: The way things change. I don't think I can guess 40 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:33,680 your next to move. I miss you bird, your restrain 41 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,759 on me. It's still so much to prove. 42 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,519 Speaker 12: You say that you'll change, so I'll leave your keeper 43 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,279 the door. 44 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:52,319 Speaker 13: Soon after that it all fads to black, and I'm 45 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:55,000 not so in loving mon. 46 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:05,879 Speaker 4: The gaps in my heart don't belong. 47 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: Breed love? 48 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 13: Can we go back camp again? Can we go back 49 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:26,839 camp again? Every time I pen my feet, the rock 50 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:28,759 post fly underneath. 51 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:32,639 Speaker 14: I get back off for. 52 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:40,639 Speaker 2: Another round to climb this mountain? You farm, You see 53 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,959 that you'll change, So I leave your key about the door. 54 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:51,959 Soon after that it all fits the black, and I'm 55 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,040 not so ill loving Animore. 56 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:58,959 Speaker 5: Cold. 57 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 13: The caps in my heart don't belong. Can't we go 58 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,800 back and again? Can't we go back and again? 59 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,959 Speaker 1: And now the world radio premiere of the new single 60 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,920 from the Painting. This is called Scarlet. 61 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:14,759 Speaker 2: Sat. I just wants you talk about like a thought. 62 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 10: So how is it going to shut that to me? 63 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:37,480 A new stars stock? Which is your stuff? 64 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: Where do we come you be from? Star? Can we 65 00:08:57,519 --> 00:08:59,120 come out to talk. 66 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: To you? 67 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,519 Speaker 2: Joe you Jos met. 68 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:17,279 Speaker 13: To Jose. 69 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: Should just Sason, John. 70 00:09:47,159 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 4: Lass Fellow Strong, we go. 71 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 10: Just g s s principles, People fuck, Jos. 72 00:10:49,799 --> 00:11:30,919 Speaker 15: Says now the world radio premiere of the new single 73 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,240 from Dakota Avenue. 74 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: This is the rollover, no phone. 75 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,639 Speaker 14: No biked, he was because with days from home, it's 76 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:50,720 just the guns. 77 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 16: Then let's play hot and see don't. 78 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 4: Make any sounds of the death. 79 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:06,759 Speaker 16: I'll convince them it's me myself because if it has 80 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:12,720 to be on my pue Ziah, if. 81 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,799 Speaker 2: It has to be, that's world. 82 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 4: Rather lie. 83 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,639 Speaker 2: Because what you do is amazed. What should she used 84 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:24,120 to do? 85 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:32,159 Speaker 17: Your life is amazing? This Amazon, it's wing is my favor. 86 00:12:36,759 --> 00:12:40,600 You're watching you is my favors. 87 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:50,879 Speaker 2: The long she roll over, I'm over in Broadcat. 88 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 4: It's a safety. Don't try anything not to save me. 89 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,159 It's the least I can do to. 90 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: Repay your father things you do. 91 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:04,919 Speaker 16: Because if it has to be you love me, I'm sorry, 92 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,759 it's just sad you everything it has to be you 93 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:10,279 of me. 94 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,159 Speaker 2: It's world life. Yeah, because what you do is amazing. 95 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Is what should choose to do? Your li filemaz Christal Mazes. 96 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:32,600 So she n is my famie. You know what you 97 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:34,559 him is my favorite. 98 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 4: Watching you. 99 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:47,159 Speaker 2: He is so dangerous. You're what your name is my favorite. 100 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 4: Song? 101 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: She love. 102 00:13:59,720 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 8: Let me. 103 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:14,919 Speaker 16: Ergon on me. 104 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:22,559 Speaker 2: Ever as the beginning to it a bottles Ramos around 105 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:28,799 Now mutine is my fame. It's bottles and Rammas around. 106 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:37,480 The Latin was so gay and joy the chin here 107 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:43,960 is my game. It's a mont er Che is so 108 00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:45,159 gay this. 109 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome everybody, Here we go. It is that time again, 110 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,879 Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios 111 00:15:12,919 --> 00:15:17,960 of WMNH ninety five point three FM, Inglorious, Manchester, New Hampshire. 112 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,840 You can stream the show anywhere. Go to Matt connorton 113 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:23,600 dot com slash live for all your live streaming options, 114 00:15:23,679 --> 00:15:26,320 social media links, conduct and fos, archives, etc. 115 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:26,919 Speaker 18: Etc. 116 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: Today is Saturday, October eighteen, twenty twenty five. Jenny is 117 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,320 not here. She's got a big event coming up today 118 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,000 in Conquered, but we do have a couple of fine 119 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,639 gentlemen here joining us via Microsoft teams. So I'll introduce 120 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:49,080 first someone longtime listeners are familiar with, of course, Eric Pilcher. Hello, Eric, Hello, Matt, 121 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,120 how are you good? Good, Welcome to the program. Of course, 122 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,720 Eric and I host the Tough Bumps podcast together, and 123 00:15:55,039 --> 00:15:58,159 Eric's been a part of this show off and on 124 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:01,279 for years now, years and years. So but I did 125 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,279 there's a specific reason why I invited Eric to co 126 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,039 host the the hour one segment with me this morning, 127 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,559 because we also have with us David Shabbaz David, and 128 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:18,240 I'm pronouncing your last name correctly, Shabbaz David. Shabbaz is 129 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,960 with us, and David welcome to the show. Of course. 130 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,840 Uh David is an author and a journalist, and of 131 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:28,399 course is the author of Black Gold Discover Pro Wrestling's 132 00:16:28,559 --> 00:16:32,440 Black World Champions, the third edition. And uh, So, David, 133 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,360 we're excited to talk to you because Eric and I, 134 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:39,519 of course we're both lifelong fans of professional wrestling, and 135 00:16:39,639 --> 00:16:42,559 so I was thrilled when you reached out to us 136 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,720 about coming on the coming on the show. And it's 137 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,120 great to have here. And congratulations on the third edition 138 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,320 of the book. That's pretty cool. 139 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,519 Speaker 18: Oh, thank you. I'm glad to be here with. 140 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: You both, absolutely, So first thing I'd like to know 141 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,480 from you is why did you Why did you the book? 142 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,720 What was your inspiration for doing this? 143 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 9: Well, that's sort of a long story. I'll try to 144 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:12,480 keep it a little short. This particular book, I really 145 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,759 wrote this book to further my brother's legacy. My brother 146 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,960 Julian was writing about black professional wrestlers since nineteen ninety nine, 147 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:29,519 and when he passed in twenty twenty, going through his things, 148 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,680 I found the first edition of this book, Pro Wrestling's 149 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,880 Black World Champions, and it was really a small ebook 150 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:45,599 that really wasn't distributed on a large scale. So paying 151 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:50,319 tribute to him, I put it out. A second edition 152 00:17:50,519 --> 00:17:53,799 out in twenty twenty two. I thought that would be 153 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,240 good because there had been a few more wrestlers at 154 00:17:57,319 --> 00:18:01,680 that time. There were thirteen in his first publication who 155 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,119 were profiled, and if you more had actually won the 156 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,400 title in twenty two, and so I put that second 157 00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:14,400 edition out and this is the third, which is larger. 158 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,480 It has more of the professional wrestlers in this particular edition, 159 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:22,680 and this one is a little more of me, if 160 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,759 you will, but it's still furthering my brother's legacy. 161 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,319 Speaker 1: Oh, that's outstanding, and I really like the way that. 162 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:34,160 So you open the book with, well, there's a lot 163 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,359 of information in this book, but you open it with 164 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,640 that scene. And I'm sure Eric probably remembers this vividly 165 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,000 as well. You go back to that scene where Booker 166 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:46,319 T and you gave the whole backstory, which is great. 167 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:48,839 You go into a lot of detail. It gets pretty granular. 168 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,440 But Booker T is in WWE was had it switched in? 169 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:56,279 I forget? Was it still wwfford it changed at that point? 170 00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:04,039 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Eric to seeing the WWE switch happened in 171 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,440 two thousand and two. 172 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, because time time gets fuzzy for me. 173 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 18: Yeah it was. It was WWE at that time. It 174 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,839 was Matt was two thousand and three. 175 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,839 Speaker 1: Gotcha? Okay, gotcha? Gotcha. 176 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:26,079 Speaker 3: So if it was the infamous Booker T Triple H 177 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,559 Yes episode, then yes, it would have been two thousand 178 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:34,839 and three. And I want to say, as a Triple 179 00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:39,440 H fan, that is one of the largest blemishes on 180 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,920 his career, hands down, that whole I remember watching it, 181 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:47,359 and I'm sorry to go into the woods here. I 182 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:53,240 remember watching it and being at at twenty years old, 183 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:57,200 being uncomfortable. 184 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, watching. 185 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 3: Yes you I mean, sorry to say this, but he 186 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,519 stopped short of calling Booker t boy. 187 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was definitely, uh, there was some definitely some 188 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:17,839 racial overtones h to the dialogue the Triple Hs spoke 189 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,200 and and it was not subtle. You know, maybe it 190 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:23,880 was intended to be, and maybe from Vince McMahon's perspective 191 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,759 it was, but but it was not you know what 192 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:29,000 I mean, But but it was it was not subtle. 193 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,599 And I thought that, David, I thought that that was 194 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:34,359 a perfect way to open the book, talking about that 195 00:20:34,599 --> 00:20:39,599 specific promo and that storyline, and and of course for 196 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:42,720 wrestling fans who are are familiar with that, that whole uh, 197 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:45,799 that whole angle, we know that uh the hero did 198 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,799 not prevail uh at uh at WrestleMania and did not 199 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,200 win the title, which a lot of people at the 200 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,799 time thought was a mistake, and many people still think 201 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:57,200 that was a mistake. But I'm curious, David, when you 202 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,759 when you open the book with that, was it was 203 00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:03,920 it obvious to you that that was the one to 204 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:06,279 go with or or did you have to kind of 205 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,440 make a decision because maybe there's I mean, if you 206 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:14,200 were to ask me about a racially tinged to put 207 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:19,680 it lightly angle in in you know, quote unquote modern 208 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:22,359 day WWE. I would that's probably the first one I 209 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,400 would think of. But I'm curious, I mean, were there 210 00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:27,079 other Were there other options as far as what the 211 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,960 opening scene was going to be in the book to 212 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:30,559 kind of to kind of set up the book. 213 00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:36,799 Speaker 9: No, not at all, because the title of the book 214 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,799 is Pro Wrestling Black World Champions. So when somebody is 215 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,200 saying someone like you doesn't deserve to be a champion, 216 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:47,720 and a white guy is saying that to a black guy, 217 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,359 that was there was no other choice. 218 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,319 Speaker 18: That was the appropriate text to use for this. 219 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, no, No, that makes sense, that's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, 220 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:58,720 And you know in Booker T is such a great 221 00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:02,559 talent too, and he was you know that I used 222 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,839 to love that catchphrase five times, five times, five times 223 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,119 world champion and which he. 224 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 18: Actually said six times that promo. 225 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:14,079 Speaker 1: You do you pointed that out in the book, Yeah, 226 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:15,880 which was great. 227 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 3: Eaved a question, And actually I wanted something to the 228 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:29,119 Booker T story. I've actually heard through various shoot interviews 229 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,680 that Rick Flair had. 230 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,599 Speaker 7: A lot to do with that promo. 231 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: That's interesting. 232 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:41,559 Speaker 9: Probably, I mean because Rick Rick was there in the 233 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,759 ring with Triple H though he didn't say anything, but 234 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:46,759 but he's there in his corner. 235 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,519 Speaker 7: I mean a lot of There are a few African 236 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:58,680 Americans that have said and even. 237 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,839 Speaker 3: Occasion wrestlers have said Rick Flair is by proxy a 238 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,920 very I don't want to say racist individual, but definitely 239 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,160 has said racist statements. And I have heard that that 240 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,279 notorious promo Rick Flair kind of fed Triple H things 241 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,160 to say at the right. 242 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 7: I think it was, I want to say, and I 243 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:28,880 could be wrong. 244 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:32,319 Speaker 3: I'm trying to recall on the spot here and memory 245 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,799 can serve you horribly. 246 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:39,079 Speaker 7: I wanted was Bruce Pritchard that said it on. 247 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 3: Something to wrestle when they were talking about WrestleMania WrestleMania 248 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:52,440 twenty nineteen. I believe it was, yes, and I believe 249 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:57,079 he said that Vince and Rick were kind of. 250 00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,559 Speaker 7: Behind that. 251 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,279 Speaker 1: Mmmm. Wouldn't surprise me. I suppose, what what do you say, David. 252 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 18: Yeah, I haven't heard that, so I can't say whether 253 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:13,319 that was true or not. I do know. 254 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 9: I'm a large segment of the black community really likes 255 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,759 Ric Flair. I mean, I don't truly think that Rick 256 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,960 would purposely try to insult, you know, it's fan. 257 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,599 Speaker 18: Base like that. 258 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: But I don't know that is a good point you make, David, 259 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,319 because the hip hop community really in a big way, 260 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:38,880 strangely late in his career, but really embraced has embraced 261 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,559 Ric Flair in a lot of ways. So that's yeah, 262 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:45,960 that's that's an interesting point too. But but yeah, go 263 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,720 ahead of Eric Prais. 264 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 7: By any stratch. Yeah, I say that, you know, and David, 265 00:24:54,160 --> 00:25:00,559 I'm sure can that sound uh prog wrestling and. 266 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 3: Up until I would say probably the late eighties when 267 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:14,000 WCW made Ron Simmons world champion was a good boys 268 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:20,160 network so to speak. It really wrestling has a very 269 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:25,279 complicated history with African. 270 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,519 Speaker 12: Americans and it's very sad. I mean to the point 271 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:34,160 where you had a very great talent in WWE named 272 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:35,400 bad News Brown. 273 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:43,079 Speaker 3: Yes that in Stampede Wrestling was an accolated wrestler. 274 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,279 Speaker 7: But when he Alan Cosage. 275 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: But when he got to WWE, they made in this 276 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,960 militant African American from Harlem. 277 00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 7: I mean things like that, where you are guys that 278 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:05,799 were in Stampede that's like no, uh Brown could go. 279 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was his. 280 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,319 Speaker 7: Page in Stampede Historically. 281 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,039 Speaker 1: Uh, the stereotypes have played a heavy role in in uh, 282 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,640 in wrestling, and you know, I mean, I would say 283 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,240 until recently, I mean I think I think wrestling has 284 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:23,759 changed a lot, but but yeah, historically, uh, there has 285 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,559 been there's been a lot of stereotypes in professional wrestling. Absolutely. 286 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,519 Speaker 3: I guess my question for David is, in going through 287 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,640 all of that, did you was there ever, I guess 288 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,680 anger that rows up in you when you would I'm 289 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,960 sure in your research you encountered this. Was there ever 290 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:49,440 that anger that you're like, wow, Uh, this is awful, 291 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:50,359 this is horrible. 292 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 7: I mean, there's long been the story of Bill Watts 293 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,799 in a bathroom dropping. 294 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,279 Speaker 3: That's about Junkyard Doll and Junkyard Dog heard the epithets 295 00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:07,759 and that's what made him decide to leave for WWE. 296 00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 7: Then WW So, was there ever a sense of anger? 297 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:20,519 Speaker 3: And did it enhance your responsibility to get these stories out? No? 298 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:21,799 Speaker 18: Not at all. 299 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,759 Speaker 9: And I don't want to get off track, but I 300 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,960 really hate it when people are driven by negative energy. 301 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,799 Somebody told me I couldn't do something, so now I'm 302 00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,920 gonna I'm about to prove them wrong. That's negative energy, 303 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:43,000 and I don't think that's sustainable, and I don't like. 304 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,480 My focus comes from my desire and what I want 305 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,680 to do. I don't care what anybody else has to say. 306 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 18: My internal worth and internal value and my focus is 307 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:54,880 strong enough. 308 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 9: I don't need somebody on the outside to make me 309 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,079 upset to make me want to do something or excel 310 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,759 in it. I really hate when people say I'm using 311 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:05,519 my haters as my motivators. 312 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,559 Speaker 18: No, I don't know. 313 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 9: That's negative energy for me. Yeah, so no, that was 314 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:13,279 never really anything that drove me. And like you said, 315 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,279 I've been watching wrestling. I'm fifty five years old, almost 316 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:23,640 fifty six. I've been watching wrestling, uh all of my life. 317 00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:27,799 So yes, I've seen a lot of those stories. I've 318 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,400 seen the racism. So it wasn't really anything that that 319 00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:31,200 that really. 320 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 18: Surprised me in a way that would make me really 321 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,400 upset about it. 322 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense because the book itself is very positive. 323 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,559 You know, you you tell that, you tell the story, 324 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,759 you you share the scene about a booker T and 325 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:47,680 Triple H to open the book, and then you you know, 326 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:51,119 you catalog all these all these African American wrestlers who 327 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,000 had become many world champions, or uh tag team champions 328 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,519 and so forth, and and it's a very positive read. 329 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,640 I I was Prettyarticularly I especially enjoyed the part about 330 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:08,160 Ron Simmons because I vividly remember watching that match on 331 00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,599 television when Ron Simmons beat Vader for the world title, 332 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,720 and I just thought it was so cool, you know, 333 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,920 and they WCW at the time, you know, they they 334 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,960 did make a kind of a big deal about you know, 335 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:23,880 Ron Simmons is the first black World Champion. But it's 336 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000 funny though, in the moment watching it, I wasn't even 337 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:27,680 thinking about that. I was just thinking because I was 338 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:29,799 I was a Ron Simmons fan, and it was a 339 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,160 surprise because he was substituting for was it was Sting, right, 340 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,279 it was supposed to be Sting. Yeah, So I thought 341 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:38,960 the whole thing was so cool, and I thought the 342 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,200 finish of that match was just really cool too. Just 343 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:43,480 everything about it was awesome, and I just remember I 344 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,559 popped for it watching it on television. But but that 345 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,680 was one of my favorite parts because that was a 346 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,680 moment that really connected with me. And then you know, 347 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,599 and of course, Ron Simmons went on to have a 348 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,200 great career eventually in wwue s for Rouke and you know, 349 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,720 just everything everything he went on to do was a 350 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:03,000 maz But but that was such a that was such 351 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,799 a huge moment, and uh and I love that and 352 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,480 and I love the way you you know, the way 353 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:10,759 you really took the time to go into a lot 354 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,720 of detail giving the histories. Some of these black wrestlers 355 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,799 were people I'd never even heard of, and some of them, 356 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,079 obviously I was very familiar with, and some I was 357 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,559 kind of familiar with, like Ernie Ladd for example. I 358 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:24,920 knew who Ernie lad was, didn't know much about him. 359 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,240 Pretty interesting guy, so I got to learn about him 360 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,839 reading your book. So but it's it's a very positive read. 361 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,039 Speaker 18: Yes, go ahead. 362 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, David, I'm I just wanted to say, I'm 363 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,240 shocked that there hasn't been something more in depth done 364 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:43,680 about Earning Lad. 365 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:50,319 Speaker 7: Just you want to talk about not just. 366 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,759 Speaker 3: To say call him an African American pro wrestling champion 367 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,200 is in in my opinion, it trivializes him because he 368 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,880 is paramount in the territory days. 369 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: He is equally. 370 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: A top I would say, top ten talent all time 371 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,559 in the territory days. 372 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:19,039 Speaker 7: If it wasn't for him. 373 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:25,519 Speaker 3: You, I don't think Mid South wrestling is anywhere near 374 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,079 as successful as it was. Him and Jyde carried that 375 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,240 promotion because if they were the top faces and to 376 00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:42,279 get heals over like the free Birds, Teddbasi and all 377 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,640 those guys, you need powerhouse faces. 378 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 7: And Ernie Ladd just you talk about a presence. Even 379 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,240 watching the old deep footage. 380 00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:57,759 Speaker 3: I have of him, he walks into the arena and 381 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,480 your eyes are just drawn him. You're captivated, and he 382 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,720 doesn't even have to say a word. So it's shocking 383 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:12,599 to me that no one has done anything like book 384 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:17,000 like major book wise or documentary wise on him. And 385 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,960 to piggyback on what David said, I think it's because 386 00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:25,480 pro wrestling fans we have a tendency to focus on 387 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,119 negative and there was a lot of negative with Ernie 388 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,079 Ladd there. You couldn't do a dark side of the 389 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,920 ring on Big Yeah. You don't hear guys and shoot 390 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,599 interviews go off about Ernie Ladd was horrible. Ernie Ladd 391 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:48,400 did this, so there isn't the notorious draw. But man, 392 00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:52,920 you talk about a talent and a guy that could 393 00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:00,200 guy could probably wrestle a plastic bag and sell out 394 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,279 the Sportatorium. 395 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,039 Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah. Like I said, I've always been kind 396 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:07,319 of aware of him, but I didn't know much about 397 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,039 him until reading and reading the book. 398 00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 7: Ernie. 399 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 3: Ernie Ladd is one of those guys that the word 400 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:18,720 it is thrown around. 401 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, David, I'm what you're saying. 402 00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 18: I mean, just his his physical presence. 403 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,559 Speaker 9: He was so imposing just walking into an arena, and 404 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,920 and and of course then he would tell you I'm 405 00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:41,079 six foot nine, three pounds, you know, dis intimidating his 406 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:42,640 words and his promos. 407 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:50,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. I'm curious, boy, David, David, I'm 408 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,960 curious who who did you research for the book? Who 409 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,720 who's included in the book? Who you think are and 410 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,519 there may be multiple examples, uh, the one who you 411 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,240 are surprised that people don't know more about? Is there 412 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,160 anyone in the book who you feel like, Wow, this 413 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,880 person really contributed a lot to professional wrestling, and it's 414 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,440 actually surprising that that people don't know more about this individual, 415 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,880 or that they're not in the WWE Hall of Fame 416 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,760 for example, or or any anybody. Do you feel that 417 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,280 way about? 418 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 9: Not really, I would I would say, well, Ernie Ladd 419 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,440 for one, because the one thing that I didn't know 420 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,960 about Ernie in the beginning was that in the Mid South, 421 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,039 Ernie was the first African American booker. 422 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 18: Oh okay, it was not only a wrestler. I mean 423 00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,360 that shows the kind of confidence that Bill Watts had 424 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,679 in him to let him be a booker. Yeah, he 425 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,480 was the first. 426 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 9: So yet that surprised me. I would guess also in 427 00:34:54,599 --> 00:35:01,960 modern times now, I don't think people people understand Ron 428 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:06,159 Killings are true now. I think they see the comedy side, 429 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,760 and that's what Wwe wants him to keep portraying this 430 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:16,119 this comedic person. But Ron Killings was like the first 431 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,480 African American to have that nw A title, true, and 432 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,000 I don't think people know that. And so, you know, 433 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,480 and I thought he was going they were gonna let 434 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,159 him be run Killings when he came out and cut 435 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,159 his hair and everything and said, you know, put some 436 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,199 respect on my name. 437 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 18: I'm run Killings. I'm not a joke. 438 00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 9: And all of a sudden they killed that angle because 439 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,079 it sounded really like it was a shoot at first, 440 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,039 and it may have been. 441 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have I don't think they have any plan 442 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,119 with what they're doing with him. Which is a which 443 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,000 is a terrible shame because he's incredible. He's incredibly talented. 444 00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 3: I yes, I just wanted to throw in I agree 445 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,800 on killings in TNA, like people are like, oh, truth 446 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,039 is so funny, Truth is so funny, and it's like. 447 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 7: Truth can work. 448 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,599 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. 449 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,679 Speaker 3: So I used to watch the TNA weekly pay per 450 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,239 views every week when you had to run for nine 451 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,280 to ninety nine, and he had matches with aj Styles 452 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,559 and you tell people that and they're like, okay, so 453 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,400 what was it like a five to seven minute match, 454 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:40,480 And oh well no, they were for ten fifteen minutes 455 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:43,800 in a one hour, two hour program and they mayn't 456 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,480 event it and they tore. 457 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 7: The grounds down. 458 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,679 Speaker 3: So he I think right now, I dare say, Ron 459 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,480 aren't truth has a very complicated legacy, and it's not 460 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:03,079 his fault. We'll just see the comedy guy. And they 461 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,039 blew sight of the matches he had with guys like 462 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,800 Jeff Jarrett, raven A, j Stoneles, Christopher Daniels. 463 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:18,039 Speaker 7: Near the end of it NA, Ron, him and Christopher. 464 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 3: Daniels had a thirty minute iron Man match on pay 465 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,239 per view that should have been a top match that year. 466 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, Yeah, there's a lot to there's 467 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,639 a lot to ron killings that a lot of fans 468 00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:36,000 don't realize, and you know, and to be able to 469 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,679 still perform in the ring at what is he now, 470 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,639 fifty three? I think that's pretty impressive too. But yeah, 471 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:48,280 he obviously takes care of himself, right, Yeah, he deserves. 472 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 7: He deserves a lot better than what he's getting. 473 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: Oh, I agree, I absolutely agree, David. Are their plans 474 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,039 for a fourth edition of this? Because obviously over time, 475 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,719 you know, in theory, you know, you can keep adding 476 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,599 people to this, right I mean, is do you have 477 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,440 plans for a fourth edition? Or I don't know if 478 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,920 you're thinking that far ahead. It's I mean, it's it's 479 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,079 a lot to do, I know, but. 480 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, right right now, I don't because, like you were saying, 481 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,880 I mean, it's it's something that can keep going on 482 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:23,519 and on and unless it's something really compelling. At least 483 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,920 in my thought right now, I thought the only thing 484 00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:31,039 that could be added was the tag team champion. So 485 00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:34,960 I added those all black tag teams and I thought, okay, 486 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:36,440 that's that's kind of. 487 00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 18: Going to put the punctuation on it. 488 00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:42,639 Speaker 9: And but yeah, so no, I don't have any plans 489 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,920 right now for a fourth edition, but you never. 490 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,079 Speaker 1: Know, right right, by the way, so this is not 491 00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:51,159 this is not your first book or while it's a 492 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,440 third edition, but I mean you've you've written other books, 493 00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:55,719 right can you? Can you tell us too this a 494 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,159 little bit because I'm curious to learn more about your background, because, 495 00:38:58,159 --> 00:38:59,920 as I said, you know, you're an author and journal 496 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,199 You've you've done a lot of other things too. I 497 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,599 was looking at your website and I'm curious about more 498 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,320 about your career in a broader sense. 499 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:16,079 Speaker 9: Yes, well, I used to be an active reporter. I 500 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:23,239 was a newspaper reporter and also a college radio news 501 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,760 director when I was when I was actually in college, 502 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,360 I was fortunate that my internship turned into a job 503 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,039 even before I had graduated. My internship at the radio 504 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,840 station in Columbia, South Carolina turned into a job for me. 505 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,360 And so for the last twenty years, I've been a 506 00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:52,079 journalism professor because you don't really you didn't really make 507 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:55,679 a lot of money being a journalist until you get, 508 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,199 you know, to the level of NBC, NASH, ABC, you know, 509 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,760 one of the national networks, not really making a whole 510 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,840 lot of money uh, and not that it's about money. 511 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 18: Because you know, you should do what you enjoy doing. 512 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,079 Speaker 9: But yeah, so I've been a college professor for the 513 00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:22,039 last twenty years. I have a PhD in communication. So yeah, 514 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:27,360 that's that's that's sort of men in an overview. 515 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 516 00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:32,159 Speaker 18: One of my books is Public Enemy number one. Public 517 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,400 Enemy number one started as my master's thesis. 518 00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 9: It was on the group Public Enemy, and also wrote yes, yes, 519 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,679 that was a research study on. 520 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 18: A couple of their music videos. 521 00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:54,039 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that sounds like something actually. I think Eric 522 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,159 and I both would be interested in reading that. Very 523 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,079 very cool. Huh. 524 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:06,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, Enemy fan Fight the Power yep video directed by 525 00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:06,800 Spike Lee. 526 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,079 Speaker 7: I'm a big Spike Lee fan as well. Yeah, okay, 527 00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:12,320 films of Spike Lee. 528 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:13,519 Speaker 12: Yeah. 529 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: When this show was on in afternoons and we were 530 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,559 doing a lot of politics. When I was an afternoon drive, 531 00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,000 I would Fight the Power was one of my go tos. 532 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:25,519 I I would play that often quite often. Absolutely. Oh 533 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:27,920 that's very cool, very interesting, David. Wow. 534 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 18: Yeah, and have you guys heard of Dolomite? 535 00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 3: Yes? 536 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 9: Oh, yes, the Annie Murphy movie on Netflix that came 537 00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:41,159 out I think in twenty nineteen. 538 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:43,119 Speaker 7: Love that movie. 539 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 3: David, before you get into that, when Matt was on 540 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,800 Afternoon Drive, I would do a segment called classic Film Reviews. 541 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,000 We and for in February we would do a black 542 00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:02,840 History sega where I covered African American films. 543 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,159 Speaker 7: We actually covered Shaft and. 544 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 3: Superfly, and that did a lot of conversation that I 545 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,440 thought was very good. 546 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,519 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, there was because there was some disagreement, 547 00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,159 not between Eric and I or anything, but but it 548 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,400 was sort of externally there was some disagreement about whether 549 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,639 those were even appropriate choices. And yeah, it did. It 550 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,159 did spark a lot of conversation that there was very 551 00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,400 positive and constructive. I think it was. It was very good. 552 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,639 So so now I'm curious, David, So what led you 553 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,880 into being a pro wrestling fan. How did you become 554 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,880 because you, I assume since you were a kid, right, 555 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,719 I feel like most of us get hooked on this one. 556 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:40,320 We're children. 557 00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 18: Oh yeah, yeah, I grew up a fan. 558 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 9: I mean my family watched it, so it was always 559 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,119 in the household. Mom, dead, grandmother, I mean. 560 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 18: Everybody watched professional wrestling. So yeah, it's a little lifelong 561 00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:56,199 thing for me. 562 00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got hooked when Saturday Nights main event 563 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,679 premiered on NBC and I watched the first one. You know, 564 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,920 I had seen wrestling before that, I was never particularly 565 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,519 into it up until that point. Then I'd seen Saturday 566 00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:11,280 as my main event, and something about it hooked me. 567 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,800 In fact, I remember one of the matches. It was 568 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,960 a squash match. It was Junkyard Dog throwing this guy around. 569 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,039 I have no recollection of who his opponent was, and 570 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,119 I just remember saying to my friend, well, this is interesting. 571 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,480 He's just beating the heck out of that guy. And 572 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,199 I think the I think the big angle that night 573 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,199 was the Battle Royal, Hogan and Andre having their confrontation 574 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,800 in the Big Battle Royal. But but yeah, that was 575 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,440 that was what hooked me. And then you know, I've 576 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,599 I've been hooked on it ever since, and now Eric 577 00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:42,519 and I even do a podcast together about it called 578 00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:47,480 Tough Pumps. But did, I mean, did you ever, like 579 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,400 when you started your career in journalism, did you already 580 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,440 have ideas about writing writing books like this, actually writing 581 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,320 about pro wrestling. 582 00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:57,599 Speaker 18: No, not at all. 583 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 9: And like I said, this was really just kind of 584 00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:07,559 trying to further my brother's legacy in this and and 585 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,199 you know this wasn't something that he was really into 586 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,159 as well in terms of writing his his books at 587 00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:17,920 the time was. 588 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 18: Hip hop related. 589 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 9: Uh he wrote The United States versus Hip Hop when 590 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,920 they were looking at Public Enemy and uh luke two 591 00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:30,719 Live Crew and and and n. 592 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,039 Speaker 18: W A and those guys and and there was. 593 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,199 Speaker 9: Of course nobody confirmed or denied it, which is the 594 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,559 FBI's favorite word. But that was you know that they 595 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,719 sent they allegedly sent a letter to them, a warning 596 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,159 letter to the record labels about uh, those groups. And 597 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,280 so that was a huge censorship thing, like wait a minute, 598 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,760 you can't you can't do that. So that was the 599 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,400 kind of stuff that my brother was writing about, and 600 00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:05,079 he started he wrote that first book in nineteen ninety nine. 601 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,559 It came out in nineteen ninety nine. He started working 602 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:11,760 on it in nineteen ninety eight because Bobo Brazil died 603 00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:16,360 earlier that year, and then when Jyd died in like 604 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,039 July of that year, it. 605 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,639 Speaker 18: Touched him so much that he started doing the research 606 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,760 and wrote that book. 607 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so that led you to carrying on that legacy. 608 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,000 That's that's remarkable, now, do you I mean, how dialed 609 00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:33,880 in are you to the current product. Do you do 610 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,679 you watch every week? Do you keep up with everything 611 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,920 or you know, are you are you a somewhat lapsed 612 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,280 fan like some people are, or what's what's your current 613 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,320 level of engagement with wrestling? 614 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,679 Speaker 18: I try to keep up with it as much as 615 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:48,159 I can. 616 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,679 Speaker 9: I'm obviously not able to watch all of the shows, 617 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,519 especially with with with a W back out. 618 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 18: There now and you know, with having competition, but I 619 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:01,920 I do try to try to keep up as much 620 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,320 as I can. 621 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much content now, I can't. You know, 622 00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:08,360 Jenny and I watch it every week, but we can't. 623 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,079 We can't keep up with all of it, and we don't. 624 00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:12,920 We don't even touch ae W unless something happens that 625 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,440 we're particularly interested in, you know, because I try to 626 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,079 keep keep up with everything online. But as far as 627 00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:21,400 what we're actually watching, it's yeah, it is. It's a lot. 628 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,039 It's a lot of content to keep up with. So 629 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,800 very good. Oh go ahead, Eric, Yes. 630 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 7: Question for David. 631 00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 3: Anytime I encounter a pro wrestling fan when they're new, 632 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,920 I like asking one question, So I hope you don't mind. 633 00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:45,800 What is your earliest fondest memory a professional wrestling? 634 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: Good question? 635 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 9: I would have to say when I saw in person 636 00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:03,239 rufus R Freight Train Jones wrestle. I always liked him 637 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,400 as a kid, and I got an opportunity. They came 638 00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:10,079 to a Y M c A in my hometown and 639 00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,679 I got the rare opportunity to see him wrestle, and 640 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,039 and that was great for me and the he was 641 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:24,159 wrestling the Great Kabuki. Fans now may see the I 642 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,679 can't think of the female's name now, the Japanese female 643 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,800 now who spits uh. 644 00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:32,599 Speaker 18: Oscar? 645 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that came from the. 646 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,679 Speaker 9: Great Kobuki who used to spit that mist in the 647 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,679 person's eyes. 648 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 18: And you know I saw them wrestle and that was 649 00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,239 that was like my earliest memory. 650 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, oh very good, very good, said the Great Kabuki. 651 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,159 Speaker 3: Because out of here so many times per wrestling fans 652 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,519 say the Great Muda when they talk about the Green 653 00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:04,920 mess or to Jerry, and it's like and me, I, 654 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,760 I don't want to toot my own horn. I am 655 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,559 I feel like a pro wrestling historian. I always say, no, 656 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,199 it was the Great Kabuki that first did the Green 657 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,920 mess YEP and World Championship Wrestling in Mid South when 658 00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,880 he did the when he did that it wasn't. 659 00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 7: It wasn't great mood A. 660 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 3: Mooda stole it from Kabuki, right right right, thank you 661 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:37,320 great Kabuki. 662 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,800 Speaker 1: Well, guys, this has been this has been wonderful. The 663 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,599 time does go quickly. We are beginning to approach the 664 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,360 top of the hour. But David, I want to make 665 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,880 sure everyone knows again where'sh where's the best place to 666 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,400 keep up with everything that you're doing, And of course 667 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,320 the book Black Gold Discover Pro Wrestling's Black World Champions 668 00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:02,239 the third edition which is currently available, where people can 669 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,760 get that anything you want our listeners to know about 670 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,239 how to find you and follow you and connect with you. 671 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,800 Speaker 18: Probably the best way is my website which is David L. 672 00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:17,679 Shabaz and my name is there. 673 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,199 Speaker 9: So just just put an L in at s h 674 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,880 A b a z z dot com because that's a 675 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,360 central hub and you can find out about me. 676 00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 18: I have a little about section. 677 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 9: There and all of my titles as a book titles 678 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,159 that is as well as if they want to order it. 679 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,400 You can order the book from the website and it 680 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:44,639 has different online options, whether you want Amazon, the Barnes 681 00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:50,480 and Noble, or my author's website where you can get it, 682 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,599 which is actually a little cheaper. I have a different 683 00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,480 distributor who does that one, so it's it's it's actually 684 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,159 a little cheaper than the other routes. But uh yeah, 685 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,960 through my website is probably the easiest way. But it's 686 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:09,000 it's available online and in bookstores everywhere. 687 00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 1: Oh, excellent, excellent, Well, thank you so much for joining 688 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,519 us this morning. We really appreciate it. David L. Schabaz, 689 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:17,880 The book is great. I love the book, and uh 690 00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,360 and Eric, I appreciate you co hosting with me for 691 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:20,880 the segment. 692 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:27,639 Speaker 3: I just feel like it was awesome to talk with 693 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:34,400 someone that, I mean, really understands the history of pro wrestling. 694 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,199 You can tell it's a labor a love, and I 695 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,079 love what I really like what you said about not 696 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:50,079 about not being not going negative because pro wrestling. Matt 697 00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:52,679 and I have said this on our podcast several times. 698 00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:57,280 In pro wrestling, I think we're we're even guilty of it. 699 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,599 We focus on the negative because negative equals notorious and notorious. 700 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,639 People love the notorious side of pro wrestling. But it 701 00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:16,440 isn't all bad, you know there, It isn't all awful 702 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,199 there for every you know, I hate to bring them 703 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,599 up for every Chris Ben Moah, there's. 704 00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:30,679 Speaker 7: There's twenty to thirty John Cena's and you. 705 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:38,119 Speaker 3: It's magical, it's captivating, and the moments you have chosen 706 00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,960 to encapsulate, such as Ernie Ladd and. 707 00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:46,760 Speaker 7: Champions like Booker t and. 708 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 3: Ron Killings and Jy are so important to professional wrestling, 709 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,519 and the way that you've chosen to do it with 710 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:05,400 such positivity only helps better the industry that I love. 711 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,800 Speaker 9: So thank you for that, David, Oh, no problem, thank you, 712 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,320 I mean, And that's that that was the spirit that 713 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,840 my brother started with. I mean when he when he 714 00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:20,039 wrote it, it was trying to be celebratory of the wrestlers, 715 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,960 and people were asking him at the time questions about 716 00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:26,599 racism and that kind of thing, and he was like, this, 717 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,679 this is this book is not about. 718 00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:29,599 Speaker 18: Racism and wrestling. 719 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,079 Speaker 9: It's just trying to praise those wrestlers and give them 720 00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,639 their credit. Because that's that was his initial drive. He 721 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:44,679 saw childhood heroes like Bobo Brazil and Jyd they just died, 722 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,960 you know, and and it's like there's very little coverage, 723 00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:52,239 like nobody's saying anything about it, and so that's what 724 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,119 started him writing. It's always been in that spirit of 725 00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:57,760 positivity and just trying to shed light and trying to 726 00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:58,559 enlighten people. 727 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,199 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that is excellent. 728 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,280 Speaker 7: Negativity in anything. It's easy to it's easy to be. 729 00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 730 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 7: Yeah, the positivity of it is amazing. 731 00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 3: And really, uh again, just I've loved this entire interview 732 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:26,559 with you to hear the the positive view and the 733 00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:29,440 fact that you brought up Ernie Ladd being an African 734 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,480 American booker, not just in mid Now, but in general. 735 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,559 Speaker 7: It just adds to the mystique of Ernie Ladd. So, David, 736 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,320 maybe if I can put a little idea in your 737 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,039 head Ernie Ernie book. 738 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:53,400 Speaker 9: I'll consider it. He definitely is one of those compelling figures. 739 00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:57,159 And you know, and and he and several other guys 740 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,960 around that period. You know, they wrestled initially in the 741 00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:06,840 off season to stay in shape for football, but Ernie 742 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,239 said he made more money in wrestling, so that's why 743 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,440 he stopped playing football exactly. 744 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that was that was interesting. That is 745 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,639 in the book, and uh yeah, I thought that was 746 00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:20,920 pretty interesting. Well, we gotta we gotta wrap up this segment, guys. 747 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,880 But again, the book is called Pro Wrestling's Black World, 748 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,440 Champions third edition. David El Shabaz, thank you so much 749 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,679 for joining us and we'll definitely talk again in the future. 750 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,239 This has been wonderful. Thank you so much. 751 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,199 Speaker 18: Thank you for having me. I really appreciate you got it, 752 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:34,679 You got it. 753 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,679 Speaker 1: And Eric, as always, thank you, my friend. 754 00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:40,119 Speaker 7: Yes, thank you, Matt, thank you, David. 755 00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:43,239 Speaker 1: All Right, guys, thank you and uh for those of 756 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,920 you listening live, stick around. 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