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<v Speaker 1>This is later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>More what you hear Weekday Afternoon is on the Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Stanley Milford Junior graduated from the United States Indian Police

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<v Speaker 2>Academy at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artisia,

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<v Speaker 2>New Mexico, worked continuously as an officer for over twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three years. He's written about his experiences in a very

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<v Speaker 2>unusual memoir, The Paranormal Ranger, A Navajo Investigator's search for

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<v Speaker 2>the Unexplained. And we're joined now by Stanley Milford Junior.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, good morning, lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Good have you here, sir? So can you tell me here?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me the first paranormal experience you had

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<v Speaker 2>as an officer.

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<v Speaker 3>As an officer, one of the early earliest cases, even

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<v Speaker 3>before I was a part of the Special Projects unit,

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<v Speaker 3>was a what would be turned as a livestock utilation case,

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<v Speaker 3>and it involved a family that had lost twenty six

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<v Speaker 3>sheep within their sheep crown. They woke up and all

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<v Speaker 3>of these sheep, each individual sheep was slit from the

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<v Speaker 3>throat area, neck area all the way down to the

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<v Speaker 3>groin area. And unlike those cases that involved a predatory kill,

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<v Speaker 3>where you'll have the entrails and blood and all of

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff within that immediate area. It wasn't like that

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<v Speaker 3>they were all slit open like that, but there was

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<v Speaker 3>no They were all dead, but there was no there

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<v Speaker 3>was no blood or anything like that within the corral.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty shocking.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were a lot of them. It wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>a few.

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<v Speaker 3>There was twenty six, twenty six heads of sheep. The

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<v Speaker 3>sheep dogs that were a part of that morale or

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<v Speaker 3>that group of sheep wouldn't come around the corral. And

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<v Speaker 3>there was an odd, really odd odor, kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>petroleum melling odor involved around the corral.

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<v Speaker 2>The paranormal ranger a Navajo investigator search for the unexplained.

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<v Speaker 2>So did this did this did you start seeing paranormal

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<v Speaker 2>activities right away? Or is it over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the several years that you were UH serving as an

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<v Speaker 2>officer that you compiled all of.

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<v Speaker 3>These Actually they once I got uh commissioned and began

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<v Speaker 3>work as a now a ranger, I was seeing uh

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<v Speaker 3>incidents were involving the paranormal UFOs and things of this nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you ever able to come to some simple explanations

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<v Speaker 2>of some of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Cases, Well, there was one haunting case that I took

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<v Speaker 3>care of that had the phenomenon known as an a

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<v Speaker 3>port where we had coins that would materialize out of

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<v Speaker 3>thin air and fall on the floor. And this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of shaped my view of this idea of portals or

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<v Speaker 3>other dimensions and other planes of existence. And I come

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<v Speaker 3>to surmise, both me and Jonathan Dover, my partner at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, that all of these things that we referred

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<v Speaker 3>to as the paranormal are interconnected by this phenomenon of dimensions,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's Bigfoot or UFOs or ghosts or even the

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<v Speaker 3>witchcraft stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense. Stanley Milford Junior, who has written a book

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<v Speaker 2>it's called The Paranormal Ranger, A Navajo Investigator's Search for

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<v Speaker 2>the Unexplained. You were raised as a Navajo. What does

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<v Speaker 2>the Native American teachings that you learned growing up, what

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<v Speaker 2>do they say about paranormal activity.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because it's an indigenous culture and you have like

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred and seventy something Native American tribes here in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, not to mention Canada and Mexico, each

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<v Speaker 3>one of them have connections with things like star people,

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<v Speaker 3>and this idea of humans here on this planet coming

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<v Speaker 3>from some other location within the universe, so it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of intertwined. You know, on the Naval reservation, it's twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seven thousand square miles of reservation, you know, the size

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<v Speaker 3>of West Virginia. And in a lot of that area,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's in Arizona, you have like red drop canyon

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<v Speaker 3>formations on these canyons. You have pictographs and petroglyphs from

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<v Speaker 3>the previous civilizations that depict things that might people might

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<v Speaker 3>infer as UFOs or star people or big would and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of different things. So it's intertwined.

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<v Speaker 2>The paranormal Ranger.

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<v Speaker 3>And I did grow up around Tahlequah, Oklahoma too. Oh Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I did live in that part of your country too.

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<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't just Navajo. I mean you got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the Cherokee heritage as well well.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was two years old, my mother and father

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<v Speaker 3>separated and took my mother took me and my older

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<v Speaker 3>sister back to Taalaquah, where she was from, and we

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<v Speaker 3>were raised in the school there. But in the summertimes

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<v Speaker 3>we would my father would fly us out to the

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<v Speaker 3>reservation and we'd spend some of our summers.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you did you speak either of the languages.

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<v Speaker 3>I tried basically because I had a really hardcore hit

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<v Speaker 3>accident kind of class with the way things are pronouncement Navo,

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<v Speaker 3>so I didn't really pick up on it. A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of times I was made fun of, but I had

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<v Speaker 3>people that would hear me try to pronounced Navo words.

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<v Speaker 3>So I made a decision, as a little boy that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I was, I chose not to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I did learn some of the words over the years

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<v Speaker 3>working there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Stanley Milferd Junior, he is the Nava, the Paranormal Ranger,

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<v Speaker 2>a Navajo investigator search for the unexplained. Did you ever

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<v Speaker 2>encounter a paranormal event where whatever it was was speaking

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<v Speaker 2>that language.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a haunting case where I went into a building,

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<v Speaker 3>an office space that was experiencing haunting and I had

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<v Speaker 3>something placed a hand or finger on my upper lip

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<v Speaker 3>and move it across. And immediately following that, there was

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<v Speaker 3>two male voices that were talking to each other and

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<v Speaker 3>that could have been in the Navo language too. I

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't make out what they were saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you heard a human voice though it was distinct.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, definitely, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Stanley Milford Junior, the Navajo he's the paranormal Ranger Navajo

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<v Speaker 2>investigator search for the Unexplained. And in your book you

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<v Speaker 2>also talk about how you believe that the paranormal events

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be there, seem to be more and more

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<v Speaker 2>of them, and there's a reason behind that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that, you know, you'd be hard pressed to

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<v Speaker 3>find a family throughout the world that does not have

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<v Speaker 3>a family member somewhere in their family tree that has

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<v Speaker 3>not experienced some form of paranormal experience, whether that's the

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<v Speaker 3>in UFOs or hauntings or these other things. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's more common than what we like to

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<v Speaker 3>let on.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine has been flickering of lights or lights coming on

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<v Speaker 2>or going off. Can that be attributed to bad electricity? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I prefer to think that it's I'm being communicated

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<v Speaker 2>with by my grandparents, because that's where it always happens,

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<v Speaker 2>in their bedroom.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Well, I think as an investigator you have to

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<v Speaker 3>be you have to go into it kind of as

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<v Speaker 3>a blank sheet of paper and collect the evidence and

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<v Speaker 3>let the evidence speak for itself. Really, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to infer, but I'm like you, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you can there are certain background information related to those

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<v Speaker 3>experiences that can lend more to what the reality is

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<v Speaker 3>with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and all that said, there were experiences. I gather

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<v Speaker 2>you walked away from damned if I know what that was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, a lot of the paranormal is that very thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You really don't know how to how to quantify the experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Being a law enforcement and criminal investigator, Yeah, you go

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<v Speaker 3>through this process systematically, but a lot of times you're

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<v Speaker 3>left with more questions than you have as far as answers.

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<v Speaker 2>The Paranormal Ranger a Navajo's investigator, Search for the Unexplained.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a book by Stanley Milford, Junior, who served as

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<v Speaker 2>a Chief Navajo Ranger for over two years and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three years of service. It's a great ghost story book

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<v Speaker 2>for this time of year, and I thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>bringing it to us.

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<v Speaker 3>Sir. Oh, thank you Lee for having me on your show.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate all of your audience. Thank you.

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