WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:05.080 Welcome to reader Syndicate three point zero, the next evolution 2 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:09.160 of look into counterculture that is Canaa. My name is Matthew, 3 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:11.839 owner of Riot Seeds, and this started as a one 4 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.359 man mission for strain history and breeding science. Over time 5 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.239 it's evolved into something bigger, better, and more of a 6 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:20.760 team effort. We will be joined by members of the 7 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:24.079 can Illuminati and other friends. Throughout the seasons hear their 8 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.839 takes on grow techniques, breeding science, string history and more. 9 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.160 Our mission is to combat the narrative that corporate cannabis 10 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.399 and seed posters are obfuscating for their own financial benefit. 11 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:38.359 Welcome to the underground. 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This should be super obvious. 20 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:13.280 With that said, some people need to be reminded about this. 21 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:16.280 Do not take anything we say as medical or legal 22 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.719 advice of any sort. We are just the best at 23 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:21.879 what we do. Live with it. All content is copyright 24 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:24.519 of the Breeder Syndicate three point zero twenty twenty four, 25 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:28.079 Section one oh seven of the Fair Use Act, Thank 26 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:31.760 you for your supports. 27 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:36.239 Has the schedule one, schedule three stuff going on right now? 28 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:39.959 Or it's you know, kind of lying in both areas 29 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:43.239 as any of that affected how you guys do business? 30 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:46.359 Is that something you're paying more attention to specifically for 31 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:46.959 any reason? 32 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:56.280 Uh No, not directly yet. I think some ideas that 33 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:59.519 I've heard floating around are like, Okay, if it's scheduled three, 34 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:07.079 then has to have you know, proven medicinal value. Maybe 35 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:15.639 you can you know, find DNA markers related to these 36 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:20.599 plants with proven medicinal value, and because other plants have 37 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:25.240 those markers, then they would maybe be like allowed plants. 38 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.879 But it's just objective, like whether something has medicinal value 39 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:32.520 based on brain chemistry? 40 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:42.800 Yeah, certainly, Yeah, how you define that? I mean there's yeah, 41 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:48.400 there's the colloquially colloquial recognition of medicinal value that I 42 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:52.360 think the cannabis community has relied on. But then there's 43 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:57.439 like the whole you know, FDA researched and clinical trial 44 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:00.680 products and stuff sences. 45 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.719 I've kept up on a bunch of that, and it's 46 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:06.560 still like the kind of idea that all sativas do 47 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:10.080 this and all indicas do this, and you know that 48 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.360 there's no plasticity. They don't take that into account of 49 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.560 any kind of clone, like where it's grown, how it's grown, 50 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:17.840 how it expresses. 51 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:18.800 It's been. 52 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:21.639 It's been quite interesting to watch science try to work 53 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:26.360 its way into cannabis and not understand sourcing, how that's done, 54 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:31.800 how unreliable some people are for sourcing from and then 55 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.319 taking into account the plasticity, even if you can source 56 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:40.280 the correct clone and then bring chemistry for whether it's 57 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:44.080 medically viable for that particular individual based on how it 58 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.439 has grown. You know, like there's so many factors that 59 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:52.240 that I kind of watch for, and a lot of 60 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.960 these medical talks and as things are changing schedule and 61 00:03:56.039 --> 00:04:00.000 when I talk to people in labs or let's see, 62 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.240 like doctor Danielle at Virgar, I'm not sure if you're 63 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:06.319 familiar with her. She was working at one of the 64 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:08.879 universities it's escaping me. It's one of the big ones 65 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:13.120 that was doing cannabis research. And the one thing I 66 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:15.400 realized was that there is there are a lot of 67 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:20.079 variables that breeders and longtime growers kind of have a 68 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.680 better grasp of, but they're not really talking to them. 69 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:27.560 They're talking to the people who are the most marketable, 70 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:31.480 like the guys in high times that pay for ads, 71 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:34.120 and those are who the first people that they were 72 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:37.279 hearing about, so they go to them. And that's I 73 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:39.879 don't know, it's been a it's been an interesting walk, 74 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:41.879 and I didn't know how it would affect your guys's 75 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:54.759 business model. Yeah, do you guys, can you develop a 76 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:57.160 test for plasticity in a plant? 77 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:05.319 I don't know how you would like like plasticity and 78 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:12.800 what like. There's there's there's tests for like chromodygosity, heterozygosity 79 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.839 and that like kind of like determines like and people 80 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.000 people will refer to that as like how stable the 81 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.519 plant line is or how like reproducible it is. I guess. 82 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.759 That's referring to like a line. And I've seen like 83 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.560 filos make very bad attempts at this and they ended 84 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:36.160 up shutting down a lot of their testing. Me and 85 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:42.839 if you I'll just say, other readers were submitting you know, 86 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:47.000 like a mother clone and then the parent or the 87 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:52.360 siblings thereof, and sometimes s one siblings or self siblings. 88 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.800 They should be directly related. And they what we learned 89 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.040 over time was that they were doing short reads and 90 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.720 for some reason couldn't quite tell exactly what was related 91 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.319 to what. But they would tell us with much confidence that, oh, no, 92 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.639 our results are right, you're wrong. You need to you know, 93 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:16.879 resend stuff in. So people spent the money resent stuff in, 94 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:21.480 made sure rechecked every source and and made sure all 95 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:25.600 the tags were correct, and kept running into that with 96 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.560 the short read versus long read. Is that something that 97 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.959 you run into with your work, like in the qPCR 98 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:33.720 testing short read versus long read? 99 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:42.079 No, that's all like related to like sequencing and and 100 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:46.920 and assembling of you know the results of that sequencing. 101 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:51.920 What we do is we have very specific segments of 102 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:56.759 DNA that we that we look for. Yeah, we're not 103 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:03.800 doing any sequencing or uh readouts of the plant DNA 104 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:10.800 that that we get. We're just seeing, you know, can 105 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:14.199 we detect this this marker or not. 106 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:20.480 Have you considered getting into the sequencing part. 107 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:27.279 It's not. Uh, we haven't had like real demand for that. 108 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:37.839 I think Farmer Freeman like primarily serves like pheno hunters, homegrowers. 109 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.839 I mean, we definitely serve you know, breeders and breeders 110 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:48.040 that are big names and like the classical cannabis industry 111 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:52.920 you could call it, but not like these firms that 112 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:58.040 are investing millions into you know, plant line and stuff 113 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:04.160 like that. We we refer people to medicinal genomics when 114 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:07.279 they want more information about their plants. 115 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:08.920 I think that's a good reference. 116 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:16.399 Yeah, yeah, I'm getting back to I guess the switch 117 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:18.879 to scheduled three, I mean the I think the only 118 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:23.360 impact for us would be if that if that reduces 119 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:27.519 people's ability to grow, then that'll have a downstream effect 120 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:47.799 on our company. Yeah, we'll just have fewer customers. 121 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:39.960 That I think. 122 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.799 It's pretty unclear like what I think. There's just a 123 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.320 lot of speculation on like what is going to happen. 124 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.480 I don't know if anyone really has like a a 125 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:52.919 game plan, like, I don't know. I don't think there's 126 00:08:52.960 --> 00:09:03.639 a master conspiracy of like we're taking cannabis this direction. Ah, So. 127 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:06.960 It's been interesting. 128 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.279 I'm worried about that as much as we are, like 129 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.960 the changing definition of hemp and you know, regulation of 130 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.159 seeds and stuff like that that's more directly affecting us. 131 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:23.399 Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't know how it's going 132 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.120 to go. You know, we get a lot of questions 133 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.399 about that, and it's just a lot of it's up 134 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:33.080 in the air. It's very wishy washy. And then finding 135 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:36.919 out that it is still in Schedule one and Schedule 136 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:42.120 three depending, you know, that that's been rather confusing and 137 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:45.240 I think needs to be better defined. But I think 138 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:48.679 it was sold as you know, like in some people's minds, Oh, 139 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:54.679 finally real legalization, and I don't know that they understand 140 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.440 it's going to affect the homegrower in a probably more 141 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.240 restricted way in my opinion. 142 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:08.759 Yeah, well, it's it's more legalization and more rights if 143 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:15.360 you're using Schedule three cannabis, which not all cannabis will Yeah, 144 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:21.200 the Schedule three cannabis that will only come from producers 145 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:24.919 and dispensaries who you know, are signed up with the 146 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:26.440 DA and whatnot. 147 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:32.879 Yeah, DA is middle manning the the the sale of 148 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:34.200 bud now, which is. 149 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:38.960 Which is wild. I think I think they middleman the 150 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:42.000 sale of all drugs. 151 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:43.879 Yeah, so I. 152 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.679 Think it makes sense for them to do that. If 153 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.799 if this is how we're going to classify medical cannabis 154 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:58.000 now mm hmm. But yeah, but but you know it's 155 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:00.600 this it's the same freaking plant. In most cases, it's 156 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:04.200 the same product from those plants. But it's just a 157 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:08.720 an artificial designator of legal or not. You know, are 158 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:13.320 you protected if you use this one or that one? Yeah? 159 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:20.440 Yeah, all based on licensing and other regulations. 160 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.399 We do get asked a lot, like with the hemp, 161 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.200 just going to call it the hemp band. You know, 162 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:34.440 we're going to be in business. You know, we started 163 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:38.960 our company before the twenty eighteen farm bill, Like you know, 164 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.720 we're we're going to be here long after. Yeah, you 165 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:50.559 know that that calling that that defining hemp with under 166 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:53.039 point three percent, you see, like that was super convenient 167 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:57.519 for us, but it's not necessary for our business. Like 168 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.360 we have like when you submit a sample to us, 169 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:02.879 like most people are sending a small piece of leaf, 170 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.559 but you know there's other ways, like of you know, 171 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:09.399 they don't have to submit leaf. They can just send 172 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:12.519 us like an extraction of that leaf like the just 173 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:19.360 the DNA and you know, we're confident and we'll be 174 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:20.799 able to continue to operate. 175 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:26.679 Yeah, which you about that you provide a smash card 176 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.200 that actually does it's not a complicated task to to 177 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:34.000 do the extraction method of testing. 178 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:37.080 Yeah. Yeah, So that's one of our our avenues of 179 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.919 getting the DNA samples to our lab is we have 180 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.080 this like it's like a relatively thick piece of paper 181 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.879 and you smash the leaf onto that and scrape off 182 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.919 any excess like physical material, and then you're just left 183 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:54.000 with like a stained piece of paper that has you know, 184 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:57.480 juice in it. Again, it's from a plant that's not 185 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:02.879 making THHC. It's you would never know what plant it 186 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:11.120 is from. Yeah, yeah. And then combine that with the 187 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:14.639 fact that we can test more than just cannabis, like 188 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:19.960 we have a fig tree sex test, so you know, 189 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:23.759 there could be ways for us to like kind of 190 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:28.679 combine the two tests and never know what type of 191 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:37.320 plant you're sending us. So yeah, yeah, we've thought about 192 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:42.679 this where we're not worried. Our payment processor is not worried. Yeah, 193 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:43.480 it's good. 194 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.960 And so you do do you were talking about figs, what 195 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:48.960 other kind of plants are you testing? 196 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:55.480 We can do FIG and Kiwi right now. We in 197 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.440 the past month we've been revamping our FIG test to 198 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.840 get it on the like same place platform is the 199 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:05.600 Cannabis Sex Test, so that'll like you know, reduce the 200 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:08.879 costs and speed up the turnaround time for that test. 201 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.679 So that's great. And then we get inquiries for other plants, 202 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:23.360 usually just specialty fruit trees per Simon mulberry, there's a 203 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:30.399 Chinese brayberry. And as we get these inquiries, we kind 204 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.639 of figure out, like, is it worth our time to 205 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:38.679 pursue this. Do we think there's a big enough market, 206 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.480 And yeah, we're always open to those inquiries. I can't 207 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.720 guarantee that we will make a test, but we do 208 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:48.240 add it to a list and and and check up 209 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:56.639 on it every now and then. Yeah, some of these plants, 210 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.480 like fig, you know, it'll take years for it to 211 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:04.879 show it secks, you know, so it's pretty pretty big savings, 212 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:11.240 huge time saving. But yeah, I don't know, we're actively 213 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:18.840 exploring this because you know, our lab isn't you know, 214 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:23.000 unique to cannabis. It's just a general molecular biology lab. 215 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.919 So we yeah, we have these tools we can use 216 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:29.279 them for a lot of different purposes, and we want 217 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:33.960 to ideally we'd have somebody in here like twenty four 218 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.080 hours a day just running whatever test people are interested in. 219 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:46.399 Yeah, do you do you think there's a future where 220 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:51.759 there is kind of like a a at. 221 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:56.720 Home like a pregnancy test type of thing for you know, 222 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.919 even like a simplified is there why you know type 223 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:02.240 of deal. 224 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.519 Uh, yeah, I mean there's a there's definitely like at 225 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:10.639 home test kits. None of them are as simple as 226 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.720 a pregnancy test. They all require some amounts of like 227 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:23.759 equipment and uh preparation and processing. And because of that, 228 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:33.120 like the accuracy can vary. It's it's generally less accurate 229 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:36.000 than sending it to a lab like ours where we're 230 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:43.600 running qPCR. These at home test kits for sex or 231 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:51.279 hot light and viroid, they generally are more susceptible to 232 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:58.200 like contamination and of you know, it's the leaf surface 233 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:02.440 hasn't been aid with any kind of folios or ipms 234 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:05.759 like that could affect the test, and you're just getting 235 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:10.839 less data from those tests. So like a negative result 236 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:15.079 from that test, you could interpret that as the samples clean, 237 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.319 but it could also just be that the test didn't work, 238 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:23.039 and so because of that, like you know, we we 239 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:30.039 don't recommend it for most people. And also, I mean 240 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:35.400 we we try to price our in lab testing, you know, 241 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.440 low enough that it doesn't really make sense to like 242 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:42.960 buy all that equipment and you know that the upfront 243 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.240 costs of trying to get your own things set up. 244 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.440 Were you asking about testing baby sex screw? 245 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:53.799 No, No, like a. 246 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:58.839 Child be interesting? 247 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:05.359 No of of plants, but added at home version, were 248 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:09.200 it's just positive or negative for I don't know something. 249 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:12.960 Yeah, like like that exists, Like I know to Me 250 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.559 has a product called like to me Glow for in 251 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:22.680 house testing of hot lat and viroid. Medicine Genomics has 252 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:29.160 their UPCR system. We've used that. We were running that 253 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.480 commercially for a little bit, but it just has these 254 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:40.279 like pitfalls that we felt like weren't. Uh you know, 255 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.880 there's just better, better options out there for commercial testing 256 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.319 and testing of a wide variety of samples. 257 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.519 Okay, get back to the baby testing, because now that 258 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:56.000 just triggered it could use. Is there a way to 259 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:58.839 test the sex of a baby based on the technology 260 00:18:58.880 --> 00:18:59.359 you have there? 261 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:05.480 Yeah, yeah, there's I just went through this in the 262 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:10.640 past eighteen months. So I have a one year old now, 263 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:16.000 but when we were pregnant, they do DNA screening on 264 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:23.400 the fetus, uh to determine sex and all sorts of 265 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:30.079 different genetic risk factors you know, related to human development, 266 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:35.319 and that helps you determine the safety of your pregnancy 267 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:41.119 and things like that. So yeah, like that's generally like 268 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.079 these these genetic panels that your doctor orders for pregnant 269 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:51.720 people will have like a sex add on. Some families requested, 270 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:57.039 others like to be surprised. We we did it. It 271 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:02.799 was cool. It was you know, similar to the service 272 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.279 I offer. We we got an email like your results 273 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:09.000 are ready click through, and we we found out that 274 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:14.039 we're having a boy. And I know there's one brand 275 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:19.440 that you do do it at home and send a 276 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.039 sample to a lab rather than like going to lab 277 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:27.440 Corp And doing a whole blood drawer or whatever. Yeah, peekaboo. 278 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:31.319 And yeah, I don't know how much it costs, probably 279 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:33.200 just one hundred bucks or so. And yeah, you can 280 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.920 determine the sex of your your your unborn. 281 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:39.480 That is really cool. 282 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:40.720 Yeah. 283 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.240 I don't know why that I twisted that question into that, 284 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:45.519 but yeah, that's fascinating. 285 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:52.000 No, it's cool, and we so companies like Peekaboo Ancestry. 286 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:56.599 There's a company for like cat DNA called base Pause. Uh, 287 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:00.680 we kind of consider ourselves like in the same realm 288 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:04.880 as those companies. You know, we all test different organisms, 289 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:10.680 but essentially it's the same. It's like you take some 290 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:14.119 kind of DNA sample or tissue sample and send it 291 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.079 to a lab and and get results based on that. 292 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:23.799 And so we look at those companies too to help 293 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:30.680 get ideas on like sample submission methods and results delivery methods, 294 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:37.119 and it's it's neat being in that in this industry. 295 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:41.480 I'm glad you told me about bass Pause. I just 296 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.720 got a kitten and that's could actually be really helpful. 297 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:48.160 Yeah, yeah, it's super cool. I got it for my 298 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.480 brother's cat for for Christmas, and he determined that his 299 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:59.119 cat is a main coon, which was pretty. 300 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:02.839 That yeah Pause and the ears and everything, but. 301 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:05.559 But it gave him like health data about his cats 302 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:10.519 and like his cat and you know what risk factors 303 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.480 his cat has. And yeah, it's just kind of a 304 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:16.920 fun thing to do. We did it for our love 305 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:22.599 to understand like what read our dog was. Uh, yeah, 306 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:27.599 they're they're they're cool tests and yeah, normalizing you know, 307 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:33.400 science and making science successible and useful to people, which 308 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:34.599 is which is fantastic. 309 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:37.200 Yeah, yeah, that's really cool. 310 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:38.720 Thank you for that. 311 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:42.920 Okay, screw what you got. 312 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:48.160 Uh so, what are you guys focusing? Like where do 313 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:53.240 you where are you guys trying to like refine and progress? 314 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:56.440 You had said that you wanted to get the other 315 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.960 sex testing kids up to the same level of accurate 316 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:04.359 see and whatnot that you guys have with, uh, with cannabis. 317 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.720 What what other areas are you trying to you know, 318 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:10.839 focus on or or trying to grow towards. 319 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:19.960 Yeah, so, you know, we're always fielding enquiries for you know, 320 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:24.000 plant types that we don't already have tests for, and 321 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:29.240 if we can easily develop a test for those, that's great. 322 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:34.200 You know, we like, if you google search like plant 323 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.960 sex testing, you know, we're we're pretty high up there, 324 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.960 and so we end up getting people like sending us 325 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.000 leaves of plants that aren't cannabis, and maybe they just 326 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.839 didn't understand that they need to specify what they're sending in. 327 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.440 So so ultimately, like we'd like to be able to 328 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:59.119 accept all sorts of different tissues. There's always like new 329 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.960 pathogens popping up and being identified as potential threats to 330 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:11.240 to cannabis. So we're we're always looking into, like, you know, 331 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:15.079 new targets for that. Septoria is one that we're thinking 332 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:22.680 of adding on for for hemp and cannabis. Understanding like 333 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:28.119 limits of detection, Like can we like like how sensitive 334 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:33.240 can the hop late and viraid test get, you know, 335 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.480 could should we start running the HLVD tests on seedlings 336 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:45.640 and maybe that'll prevent like issues later on. So we're 337 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:50.880 pulling out like a bunch of Basically I found customers 338 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:57.880 who had positive hop late and viroid tests and if 339 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:01.960 they had tested seedlings you know, a year or eighteen 340 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:05.400 months prior to that, I'm curious if any of those 341 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:09.279 seedlings had hop late and viralid and maybe that could 342 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:13.000 have tipped them off sooner than if they were wait, 343 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:21.759 if they they obviously did wait and discover it later. Yeah, 344 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.000 improving things like the FIG test, like that's what we're 345 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:32.240 working on this week. Yeah, just generally using the equipment 346 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:35.960 we have for more than just the cannabis sex test. 347 00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:42.400 So are you guys able to does it have to 348 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:45.599 be seedlings or are you able to test actual seeds 349 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.000 as they before. Someone you know, someone had a bunch 350 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.119 of seed and we're like, man, I'm kind of worried 351 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:54.720 and sent a fraction of the seed off to be tested. 352 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:57.400 You know, would you guys be able to actually detect 353 00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:59.640 and test off of that material? 354 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.000 Yeah? Yeah, so we have some protocols for seed testing. 355 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:09.079 It destroys the seeds, so there's like kind of a 356 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:11.839 limited use for it. It's pretty much just like hemp 357 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:17.400 breeders and hemp farmers or people growing fields of feminized 358 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:23.440 cannabis seed, they'll send us some percentage of that seed 359 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.559 stock and we can either test the seeds individually or 360 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.599 like as a as a group and see if there's 361 00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:37.400 that male marker in those and if it's not, then 362 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.279 then they can be assured that they're growing feminized seed. 363 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.799 Well, I meant for h l V. 364 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:46.920 Are are you guys able to test? I mean there's 365 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.680 the same the same theory there. 366 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:59.680 Yeah, there's the big question of herms and I'm sure 367 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:01.759 you get it all the time. How do I know 368 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:06.039 if my plants are herm M? What's your response to that? 369 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:17.079 So yeah, so we're working with medicinal genomics to figure 370 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:19.279 out some kind of harm test that is, like our 371 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:23.559 number one FAQ is, can this test tell me if 372 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:28.920 my plants are herms? I'm not sure. It seems like 373 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.960 pretty much all plants have the capacity to to herm 374 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:41.880 or show the the phenotype that's not associated to their genotype, 375 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:48.319 but that so maybe they all have the capacity to 376 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.559 do that, but some are more likely to do that, 377 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:57.440 and there might be genetic markers related to that, like susceptibility. Yeah, 378 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:03.079 so that's something we're looking in too. We love when 379 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.720 our customers tell us, like, hey, these plants ended up harming. 380 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.400 We we then make a note of that and we 381 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:14.519 we set those aside for further research with the goal 382 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:21.240 of developing that HERM test. You know, it's frustrating because 383 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.319 like a hermie plant, it doesn't always show a pollen 384 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:32.720 sack and flowers on the same thing, which leads some 385 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:37.880 customers to think that the results were like wrong, and 386 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.079 that can be kind of challenging because it's like, you know, 387 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.680 how do you tell a grower who's staring at phenotypically 388 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:49.279 a male plant. Yeah, plant isn't. 389 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.119 A male, it's just expressing male. 390 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.319 They think you're an asshole, Yeah right, them a liar, 391 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:03.240 but but but we do try our best to tell them. 392 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:08.200 Like look like you know, maybe at some point that 393 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.000 male plant will start growing a flower and you know 394 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:16.559 it didn't have the Y chromosome that we associate with 395 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:21.880 male genetically male plants. 396 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:24.640 So that's that would be autoism AutoZone based, right, Like 397 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:26.240 at that point. 398 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:31.640 Uh, I'm not sure. So, so, like there was some 399 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.079 research last year or the year before that was like 400 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:39.920 basically showing like the sex determining genes aren't on the 401 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:45.599