WEBVTT 1 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.719 All right, everybody, Welcome back to the Shirtley You Can't 2 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:32.600 Be Serious Podcast, Season two, Episode one. I'm Jack, Yeah, 3 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:33.159 I am so. 4 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:35.159 Glad to be back. We've been gone too long. 5 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:39.439 We're comparing Slippery when Wet versus New Jersey bon Jovi's 6 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:40.039 two weeks out. 7 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:42.880 You say that and I get chills. I'm just I'm 8 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:46.000 so excited about this. I'm ready to let it rock. 9 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:49.119 I'm ready to let it go because you can't stop 10 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.200 a fire burning out control No, And. 11 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:53.840 I'm just I'm hoping we're still wanted dead or. 12 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.439 We did take two steel horses to this location tonight, 13 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:01.880 two podcas Yes, So all right, Jason. 14 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:04.079 Before we jump in, I want to say thanks to 15 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:10.040 our executive producer for this episode, mister Jonathan Tweety. He 16 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:14.000 entered in, gave us a Patreon subscription, and he is 17 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:18.079 the executive producer of our Bond Jovie episode. Thanks Jonathan, 18 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:20.159 we really appreciate you. 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It's called the nineteen eighties. 30 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:57.760 Let's do it, let's go, let's see eighties. 31 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:03.000 All right, so listen, de this is a massive battle 32 00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:06.239 for me personally. Okay, okay, So there are a few 33 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.879 pillar albums in my life, right, So Thriller's one Yes, 34 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:15.240 Hysteria is one yes, Slippery When Wet and New Jersey. 35 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:17.960 That rounds out my big four pillars. Now, I've had 36 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:22.400 love affairs with fifty one, fifty and nineteen eighty four, 37 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:24.759 and you know, so these others, but these are my 38 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.400 four pillars. So today we're going to start the comparison 39 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:31.960 between two of my all time favorite albums. 40 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:36.039 Yeah, well, I've mentioned it before. One of the songs 41 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.080 on one of these albums is the reason that I 42 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:42.360 started playing guitar, which is a huge, huge, thing in 43 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:45.520 my life. So that's a big deal. We're excited about this. Yeah, 44 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:48.319 this is pretty awesome. This is amazing, and you know, 45 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.039 it's kind of interesting. It took a long time for 46 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.479 bon Jovi to get critical acclaim. You know, they were 47 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:58.159 always a popular band, and because they were a popular band, 48 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:00.800 there were haters out there and a lot more critics. 49 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:03.919 And to those folks, I just got to say, screw you, man. 50 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:08.680 You guys are missing out. Yeah. Yes, it's it's enjoyable 51 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:11.280 to listen to this music. It's also enjoyable to bang 52 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:14.680 your head to this music. This is just kick butt, good, 53 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.639 top down, turn it up music. 54 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:19.479 Absolutely, these guys have it all. 55 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:20.120 They've got. 56 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:24.599 They had looks, they had ability, they had great timing, 57 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:26.120 and they had great songs. 58 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:26.680 Yeah. 59 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:28.719 So I mean, we are going to have so much fun. 60 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.439 You want me to do my checklist. Let's run down 61 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:33.080 the checklist. Checklist before we dive in. Let's make sure 62 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:34.879 I've got everything I need. Okay, we got we got 63 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.719 the talk box, yep, we've got the six pack in 64 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:42.120 the radio. We've got lipstick, plastic and paint, and we're 65 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.680 gonna dance the tango with a broomstick in our hand. Okay, okay, 66 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:50.360 you ready, Let's let it rock bon Jovi slippery win wat. 67 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.400 Okay, So we've got to start at the beginning. And 68 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:03.240 I'm not sure which beginning we start at, but might 69 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.120 as well start with John. His name is the band 70 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.240 name after all, right for sure. So interestingly, bon Jovi 71 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:14.680 is spelled differently than you might expect. It's it is 72 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:19.399 a complete word bo in g io v i bon 73 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:21.600 g ov because there Italian. 74 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:23.720 Definitely got some Italian in there. 75 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:28.040 Yeah. And he was born to a couple of marines, 76 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.360 a man and a woman who met in the marine corps, 77 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:35.240 and then his mom went on to become a playboy bunny, 78 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:40.519 not in the magazines, but in the clubs, the playboy restaurant. 79 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.920 She walked around with the little tuft tail and the 80 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.120 ears on and would wait on people like Dean Martin 81 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:49.079 and Frank Sinatra. 82 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:53.720 Yeah, baby, no baby, Yeah yeah, I did a Google 83 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.120 searchter you can see her, and she's wearing her little 84 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:59.560 little ears and her little cottontail. 85 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.600 Yeah. Yeah, so she looked good. 86 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:04.519 She looked like a nineteen sixties playboy money yeah wow. 87 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:11.399 So former marine yeah, God bless America. Yes. So when 88 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.519 they got married. He was going to do the standard. 89 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.519 You know, I'm going to go become a plumber. And 90 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:18.920 she was like, you know, why don't you become a 91 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.839 hairdresser because I spend a lot of money on my 92 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:22.199 hair and it'd be nice if you could do it. 93 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.040 And he was like, okay, if you want me to 94 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:26.480 do that, I'll do that. And so he became a hairdresser, 95 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.920 which is probably why John has some of the best 96 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:35.279 hair out all right. So he at some point they decide, listen, 97 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:37.199 you got to learn a musical instrument, and so at 98 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:39.560 seven years old he started playing the guitar. They took 99 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:41.439 him to the guitar lessons. He started playing the guitar, 100 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:43.360 and he said that it was like at the guitar 101 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:45.639 shop and the old man had a pipe and would 102 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:49.319 nod off and it was done, no no, no, no, 103 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:53.199 no no. And you know, he was just not interested 104 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.800 at seven. And after a few weeks of lessons, he 105 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:58.839 was told to clean up. And so his way of 106 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.279 cleaning up was to chunk the guitar down into the 107 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:05.560 basement just to hear it clang. And so it took 108 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.720 several years till he was thirteen before he picked the 109 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.839 guitar back up again, and as it happened, a gentleman 110 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.240 moved across the street who was like a session musician, 111 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.279 but his name was Al Paranello. Well, just so that 112 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.800 you know, bon Jovi, it has special little pins that 113 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.759 are like in the shape of the Superman logo that 114 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:28.879 if you go long enough with the band like crew 115 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.639 or band member or whatever. It's a very honorary thing 116 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:33.199 and it takes a lot of time to get it. 117 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:36.759 And John when Al died, he took his off and 118 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:39.120 put it in the casket with Al. That's how important 119 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:42.199 it was he was to him. And so he started 120 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:45.839 taking lessons from him, and instead of the scales, he's like, 121 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:47.680 I'm gonna teach you how to play House of the Rising Sign, 122 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:49.839 which I loved because that was like the first song 123 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.120 my dad taught me how to play on the guitar. 124 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.000 I'm sure it's the first song for a whole lot 125 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:58.279 of folks, right, And so he teaches shows him how 126 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.040 to play it. He says, come back next week. I 127 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:01.600 was back the next week. He still know how to 128 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.720 play it. He's like, Okay, well come back next week. 129 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:06.959 I need you to know it. Comes back the next 130 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:09.160 week he still doesn't know it. He says, listen, I 131 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:12.879 don't have time to around with you. Okay, I got kids. 132 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:15.399 If you're going to do this, do it. If not, 133 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.600 don't waste my time. Come back here next week, and 134 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:19.879 you don't know what we're done. And John was like, 135 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.199 that was the exact kick in the butt that I needed. 136 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.040 And I worked the entire week and made sure that 137 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:25.560 I knew it by the time I went back. So 138 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.920 while he's trying to make it in high school and 139 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.000 trying to put these you know, trying to do something 140 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:33.600 with these bands, he'll go and play at clubs during 141 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:36.759 the week and play until the wee hours of the morning, 142 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:40.560 and then come to school the next day, you know, 143 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:44.279 play all three go to school at eight and one night, 144 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.279 while he's playing, a guy in the back named Bruce 145 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:52.040 Springsteen decides to come and join him on stage. How 146 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.519 cool is that if you're a high school kid, seventeen 147 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.680 year old kid and the boss says, hey, can I 148 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:03.279 come up and sing with you? Uh? Duh? Yeah? 149 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:05.279 Yeah? 150 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.040 And he was one of John's idols, I mean yeah. 151 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:11.040 John talks about how it was it was Bruce Springsteen, 152 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.920 it was Southside Johnny, it was Jay GAW's band. I mean, 153 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:16.879 those guys were who he looked up to musically. Yeah, 154 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.120 and hey, Bruce Wingstein, my idol. You want to play 155 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:20.759 with me? Absolutely, let's go. 156 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.240 Yeah. And he had a couple of buddies who also 157 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:26.000 took guitar lessons from this guy. And one of those 158 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:32.120 buddies name was Dave skid Row. You got it, Yep. 159 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:34.840 We talked about him last, Paul. Yep. 160 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:38.960 Dave and John were good buddies. Later on, John got 161 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.639 a job at the radio station and he was being 162 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:44.600 a gopher and he would sleep floors and he would 163 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:47.000 go get dry cleaning and this and that. So he 164 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:49.240 brought his buddy Dave Sabo up to the to the 165 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:53.840 place and Dave's like, that's Ozzy Osbourne right there, right Jagger, 166 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:54.600 that's mc jagger. 167 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:55.120 Yeah. 168 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.799 He's like, duh, why would you not want to work here? 169 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:00.519 You know? Right? Yeah. So that guy that owned the 170 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.960 radio station was a second cousin of John's. His name 171 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:08.919 was Tony bun Jovi, and the radio station was called 172 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:12.279 the Power Station, and it was a place where obviously 173 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:16.279 a lot of big names were coming. Sting has an 174 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.720 album called fifty seventh and ninth, which is named after 175 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.360 the intersection that he would cross walking to that studio. 176 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.200 All right, yeah, so he's working for his cousin as 177 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:29.919 a gopher in this station, goes to get coffee, goes 178 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.360 to make bets for people, doing whatever he can during 179 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.559 the day, and then he had a long bus ride. 180 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.600 He would spend his bus ride writing songs, and then 181 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.879 he would get home at night and play practice. Right, 182 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.440 and at some point he puts together a song. He 183 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.679 puts together several songs, but he's really excited about this 184 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.799 song called Runaway, Runaway. But now a lot of people 185 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.039 think this is his first professional recording, but it's not 186 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:57.000 breaking on. 187 00:09:57.120 --> 00:09:59.320 Let's go, I would get this tray. 188 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:05.279 Question is first professional recording actually occurred a couple of 189 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:12.279 years earlier when a small movie called Star Wars was 190 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:16.799 recording a Christmas album and they were recording a song 191 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.279 called R two D two we Wish you a Merry Christmas, 192 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:25.720 and Tony at the recording station says, hey, my cousin 193 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:27.600 over here, he'd be good to sing that song for you, 194 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.240 And so John bon Jovi's first professional record is on 195 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:38.840 Christmas and the Stars, the Star Wars Christmas album, and 196 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.080 here is. Here's a sample of John bon Jovi singing 197 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:48.799 R two D two we wish you a merry Christmas. 198 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:53.720 You know less, We need to go back to the 199 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:59.679 winter stars. We know less. Unity's began. 200 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:02.000 That is so freaking awesome. 201 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.960 Man, I don't know that I would say awesome. It's 202 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:10.919 a little it's a little strange. It doesn't sound like 203 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.399 the bon Jovi we know and love, but it is 204 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:15.919 pretty crazy to hear that. Are you ready for this? Yes? 205 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:17.039 I have this album. 206 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.000 Oh god, I have this album. 207 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:20.039 You own it. 208 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.679 I own this album, this record like you had the 209 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:25.559 Open Well. I was a Star Wars freak, Yes, so 210 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.759 I had everything I can get my hands on Star Wars. Wise, 211 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.879 I didn't become a Bonjob freak until later. It just 212 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:33.919 happened that world's collided and I looked on. 213 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.480 Like, hey, I got this record. Oh my gosh. 214 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:38.960 There's another song on I think called what do you 215 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.200 Buy a Wookie When He's already got a comb or 216 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:45.080 something like that. That was like my favorite song growing up. 217 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:49.679 So it's fantastic. That is fantastic. So it wasn't the 218 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:53.600 runaway hit that Runaway became, and neither was Runaway when 219 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:55.799 it first came out. He was very excited about it. 220 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.279 He was singular focused. He had he knew what he wanted, 221 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.440 and that was what he was pursuing with all of 222 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:04.799 his effort. And so he was sending out this demo 223 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:08.159 of Runaway to all of these radio stations and was 224 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.720 getting any where. And he thinks to himself, you know 225 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.919 who's the loneliest guy in the music industry. It's the DJ, 226 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.759 right right, because he's just there in a room by himself, 227 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.200 talking to a microphone, pretending he's talking to the world. 228 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.799 And so he goes to this station called WAAP the 229 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.559 Apple and he walks in and it's a very new 230 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:30.960 station and they don't even have a receptionist yet. And 231 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.279 so he walks in and the DJ's in the booth 232 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:35.480 like talking to the microphone, looking at him, like what 233 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.519 the heck, what are you doing here? He's like, I 234 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:39.919 just you know, I've got this music. I was wondering 235 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:42.639 if you would listen to it and maybe play it 236 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:51.960 on the radio. And so the guy listens to Runaway 237 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:53.639 and he's kind of impressed, and he shows it to 238 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.559 the station director and the station director's kind of impressed, 239 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:57.799 and not only do they want to play it on 240 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.240 the radio, but they want to put it on on 241 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.399 an LP that they're making of local, homegrown music that 242 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:09.159 then happens to get distributed because they're a chain radio station. 243 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:18.639 It distributed to all of these sister radio stations around 244 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.000 the country. I heard John when he talked about this. 245 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.120 He went to the DJ. First of all, he had 246 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.279 the hustle and the drive and ambition and the guts 247 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:30.559 to go up to this guy and say, look, play this. 248 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:33.840 It's really good. When he said, he said, listen, if 249 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:36.519 you'll play this three and a half minutes from now, 250 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.559 you'll realize standing in front of you is a rock star. 251 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:48.879 And you know what, he was right. 252 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:51.600 Yeah, I mean I can say that that wouldn't be true, 253 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:52.639 but when he said it. 254 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.720 It was true. Yeah. Absolutely. And when it started to 255 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:59.480 get the airplay, suddenly all of those record companies that 256 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:02.720 he had been getting turned down by were now giving 257 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:06.799 him calls. Ended up going with the record label Mercury, 258 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.879 and they said, all right, we need to we need 259 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:11.879 to put together this song, we need to put together 260 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.120 an album. And so he puts together a band that's 261 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:17.720 supposed to be together for three weeks. 262 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.639 Right when Runaway comes out. He doesn't have a band, 263 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:23.399 he doesn't have management, he doesn't have a record label. 264 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:25.480 He's just a guy with a great song. You know. 265 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:27.679 He didn't play all the music himself. He did have 266 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.279 some guys playing the music for him, but it wasn't 267 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:35.639 his band. But here's who it was. The guitarist was 268 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:40.039 Tim Pierce, who played with Rick Springfield and several other 269 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:44.000 huge names. The keyboardist was Roy Britton, who was a 270 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:48.039 member of the East Street Band with Bruce Springsteen and 271 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.240 several I mean they call him the Professor. He's a 272 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.200 big name. The bassist was Hugh McDonald who is now 273 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.120 the bassist for Bon Jovie. I mean, he had a 274 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:02.720 top notch crew on that first single recording that he had, 275 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:05.639 but they weren't his band. He needed to have a band, 276 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:10.919 and so he called up Dave Brian. David Brian was 277 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.519 born David Brian Roschbaum. He got tired of spelling out 278 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:17.200 his last name, so he changed He shorted it down 279 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:22.679 to David Brian. He was a keyboardist for John before 280 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.840 Runaway became a big hit. They were in a band 281 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:29.559 together called the Atlantic City Expressway. That was one of 282 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:32.639 about three bands that John had there was one called Rays, 283 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.279 there was one called The Rest. When John gets this 284 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.279 record deal, he calls up David Brian and he's like, hey, 285 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.759 I need a band. Come be my keyboardist. And Dave's like, okay, Well, 286 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.639 I'm pre med at Rutgers University and I've got a 287 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:50.759 four point zero and I realized that I wanted to 288 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.240 be in the music industry, but I just got into Juilliard. Ye, 289 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.320 but yeah, sure I'll go. I'll go to our the 290 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.519 country with you and make next to nothing. Sure, let's 291 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.159 give this rock band thing at dry Hey he did 292 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:05.360 bet on himself, Yeah, and it ended up working out. 293 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:11.360 So David Bryan calls Alec john Such, who's a bass player, says, hey, 294 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:13.960 we're putting this band together. Come be a part of it. 295 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:17.919 Alec john Such had been in a band called Phantom's 296 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.879 Opera with Tico Torres, and Tiko Torres is older than 297 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.440 the rest of the guys, and so when he gets 298 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:28.840 the call and listens to John bon Jovi's song, he's thinking, 299 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:30.559 I think this is it. I think I'm finally going 300 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:32.679 to make it, and his wife's like, no, we have 301 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.279 a house, we have things that need to be taken 302 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.559 care of and he's like, I just I believe that 303 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.679 this is going to be great, and she says, I 304 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:43.240 believe I'm going to leave you, and that's where she went. 305 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:44.639 Wonder how she feels. 306 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:47.200 That she feels pretty sad about that decision. 307 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:51.399 Yes, So Tico Torres not only had he played with 308 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.519 the marvel Attes, and not only had he played with 309 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.440 Chuck Berry, but when Kiss got rid of Peter Chris, 310 00:16:57.840 --> 00:16:59.440 they he was one of the guys on the short 311 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:01.200 list to be the me He went on an audition 312 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:03.720 for him. Wow, just didn't make it. So Tico's in. 313 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.559 Alec john Such is in, Dave Bryan is in, and 314 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:09.759 their guitarist is, as you mentioned, Dave Sabo from skid 315 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:14.319 Row Yes, although not yet yes, right, And so Dave 316 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.839 Sabo was never really like a member of the band 317 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:19.799 per se. It was just he just kind of helped 318 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:24.119 out with the touring of Runaway, right. And so Alec 319 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.480 John Sutch had also been in a band with this 320 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.200 guy called Richie Sambora. He had been around, I mean, 321 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.680 he had his own independent record label. He had played 322 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.839 with several big names. He had signed a couple of 323 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:38.960 different times. His bands had signed a couple of different 324 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:42.519 times just hadn't gotten there yet, like it was just 325 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:46.400 not quite there. Then he did this tour as the 326 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:50.240 opening act for Joe Cocker and in eighty two when 327 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:54.720 Kiss and as Freely part Ways, Yes, he goes in 328 00:17:54.839 --> 00:18:00.319 auditions for Kiss to be their guitarist. So weird, right, Yeah, 329 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.720 he's pretty close. Yeah, two of the guys from bon 330 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.960 Jovi tried to replace two of the guys from Kiss 331 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.960 and we're not successful, Thank goodness for that. Yeah. And 332 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:12.119 so Richie Sambor comes back. Alec John Sutch is like, 333 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.279 hey man, you got to come listen to this band 334 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:17.759 that I'm playing with. They're phenomenal. And Richie's like okay, 335 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:19.839 and he goes and he sees them and he said 336 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:24.279 it was magic. And after the show he goes up 337 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:27.160 to John he says, Hi, I'm your new guitarist. 338 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:34.359 Yeah. 339 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.200 I heard him talking about this, he said when he 340 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:39.200 watched John run around the stage, He's like, yep, that 341 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:39.839 kid's star. 342 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.079 Yeah. And so John was like, okay, you know, let's 343 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:46.400 see you know what you can do or whatever. And 344 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.720 so he's like, come out, you know, we'll play together. 345 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:50.880 She hired you know these five songs, right know, these 346 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:55.440 five songs, and so he Richie comes to the studio 347 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.680 or wherever it is they're practicing. He gets there on time, 348 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.839 on is late. He works with the band while John 349 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.319 is arriving. And when John gets there, they're already tight 350 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:09.400 and play for him, and he's like, well, get sure in. 351 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:16.440 I guess you're in. Oh my gosh. 352 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:21.160 Just the incredible opportunity and the timeliness of this. And 353 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:26.440 John bon Jovi and Richie Sembur are a songwriting duo 354 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:28.160 that gave us these great songs. 355 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:29.200 Yeah. Absolutely. 356 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:32.920 Doc McGee comes to him and says, do you have management? 357 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:35.880 No, I don't. As a reminder, doc McGee is the 358 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:37.759 guy who managed Motley Crue. 359 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:40.279 Molly Crue Kissed the Scorpions. 360 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:43.000 Right, But but bon Jovi was pretty early on in this. 361 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:45.960 He early he had Motley Crue. He had Motley Crue 362 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.079 and that was about it. At that point, he's on 363 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.079 his way up with Motley Crue. So Motley Cruez happening, 364 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:53.519 and he goes to bon Jovi and he says, I 365 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:55.519 want to image you guys, and I want to make 366 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:57.640 you the biggest band of the world, right, and so 367 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:01.160 this just just to and I lay the foundation for 368 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:03.960 another story that might get told. Also around this time, 369 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:07.279 about January of nineteen eighty two, Doc McGhee meets a 370 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.960 guy named Steve Kaylish in the Kayaneman Islands who is 371 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:14.839 known as the last Gentleman Smuggler. We'll get into all 372 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.480 that maybe later on, but for now, it's just a seed, 373 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:29.039 a little teaser, if you will. And so they go 374 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.000 into the studio to record their first album, which obviously 375 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:36.559 must include Runaway. They named the album bon Jovi, which 376 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.079 you know they're they're doing the full Van Halen, right, 377 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.599 let's name the let's name the band after me, and 378 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.799 let's go ahead and name the first album after me too, yep, 379 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.720 And it does. Okay, Runaway cracks the top forty thirty nine, 380 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:50.440 I think is as high as a gut. That would 381 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:50.960 be a crack. 382 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:51.599 That's a crack. 383 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:54.119 That is a tiny little crack. Yeah, in the top forty. 384 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:57.519 And so they're touring, opening up for other bands, and 385 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.799 they after a while they do a second album called 386 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.960 seventy eight hundred Degrees Fahrenheit. They really don't know who 387 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:06.480 they are at this point. And if you've watched any 388 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:09.400 of the videos that they have for any of these songs. 389 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:13.440 They're so cringey. I think they might be more cringey 390 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:15.799 than those deaf Leopard by Romania videos that watch. 391 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:19.599 I watched one the other day. I think it was 392 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:21.839 it was one of the songs on seventy eight hundred. 393 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:24.759 I think it was Only Lonely, a pre terminator. Linda 394 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:28.519 Hamilton is the girl that he's in love with in 395 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:30.799 the video. Oh my word, how about that. 396 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:35.279 That's crazy. So when they get done touring, they realize 397 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.160 we're paying more money to our crew than we are 398 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:39.160 to ourselves. 399 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:40.960 The only guy in the band who had his own 400 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.839 house was Tico Torres, right, everybody else lived with mom 401 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:46.039