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Speaker 1: I'm one of your hosts today, Alex van Aiken, and
Speaker 1: today I'm joined by Kyle Hilliard.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Kyle?
Speaker 3: I'm doing okay. Thank you for asking, Alex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, glad to have you here. We're also joined by
Speaker 1: Marcus Stewart.
Speaker 4: You know what's dangerous the podcast alone? Which one? I'm
Speaker 4: so grateful that you guys are here.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: And lastly rounding out the show today, Charles Hart.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Charles?
Speaker 5: Ah, Hey, that's my regal impression.
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, you not McCartney. That would be more
Speaker 4: like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about bringing some moroccas and and dancing.
Speaker 2: To be has to do for this episode.
Speaker 1: Hello, listeners, We're gonna be talking about the best Zelda
Speaker 1: games today or our favorite Zelda games. Uh for the
Speaker 1: fortieth anniversary. We have a big, big oh.
Speaker 2: If you're watching the video version.
Speaker 4: Kyle is also tying it to a rocket shoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, weird. Yeah, oh my god, yeah that was. It
Speaker 2: was before Eric worked here.
Speaker 1: But one of my favorite streams actually, no, that was
Speaker 1: that wasn't a Game of Homer stream was that it
Speaker 1: was a charity stream, but Eric hosted a charity stream
Speaker 1: and we had I think it was called oh God,
Speaker 1: climb with the Core Rocks or something like that, and
Speaker 1: we had to make our way up toward h It
Speaker 1: was me and him and it was the first person
Speaker 1: whoever could get the most amount of co rocks into
Speaker 1: the top of the mountain the volcano in Breath Tears
Speaker 1: of the Kingdom, and you couldn't attach.
Speaker 2: Them to anything, okay, so you had to use the
Speaker 2: physics pure. It was so fun.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Welcome to the show, everybody. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: great episode. Like I said, we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: our favorite Slash, the best Zelda games because our opinions
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Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: I think there's an incredible feature of Zelda's forty years. Kyle,
Speaker 1: you put that together, right, I think, well it was
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I kind of let it, but yeah, everyone
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna send it over to you. Pokemon Champions is out.
Speaker 1: I know from watching Friend of the Show Jesse Vittelli
Speaker 1: and Kenneth Shepherd for restarting Kotaki, respectively. I was in
Speaker 1: discord with them. They were playing this and I know
Speaker 1: it's like going to be the new home for like
Speaker 1: the competitive scene, but that's about all I know. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm slowly withering away into withers from old.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The more I talk, you're absorbing my life force.
Speaker 4: You're becoming a withering wasteland.
Speaker 5: Like ah, yes, that's what's happening with my voice right now,
Speaker 5: I'll talking to the people in that game.
Speaker 2: Boy, I need I need a rainstorm.
Speaker 4: Huh, get cowboy yogurt in hair?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charles tell us about Pokemon Champions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Pokemon Champions is a very odd product. The
Speaker 5: more time I've spent with it and the more I
Speaker 5: learned about it. So it is a game. It is
Speaker 5: on switch and it's on mobile, and it is a
Speaker 5: Pokemon battling game using like the base rules from the
Speaker 5: turn based Arpeage's So.
Speaker 3: You're playing a battle as well, right, it's not it
Speaker 3: to play, Okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we'll get into that for sure. But there's
Speaker 5: a lot of like spin offs of Pokemon games that
Speaker 5: have come out where it's like, you know, you're racing
Speaker 5: Pokemon or you're you know, running a cafe, or you
Speaker 5: doing this or that. I don't I actually don't know
Speaker 5: if there's a Pokemon Racer there probably is. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of these now, but this is one that is
Speaker 5: specifically designed to take the mechanics and like stats and
Speaker 5: all this stuff from the base game turn it into
Speaker 5: a battling app and you can do it on your phone,
Speaker 5: you can do it on your switch, and it connects
Speaker 5: to Pokemon Home, which is Pokemon's like cloud service where
Speaker 5: you can store your Pokemon that you get from all
Speaker 5: these different games. So theoretically, if you have like a
Speaker 5: team of Pokemon that you loved in a past game,
Speaker 5: you can transfer to the cloud and Pokemon Home and
Speaker 5: then you can send those over to Pokemon Champions and
Speaker 5: then use that to battle. And it's also meant to
Speaker 5: be sort of like the new platform, like you said
Speaker 5: for VGC Video Game Championships, the Pokemon competitive scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 5: Kind of like a standardized platform, right, So it's not
Speaker 5: that that's not you don't necessarily have to get every
Speaker 5: new game as soon as it comes out and then
Speaker 5: play through the whole story into all the stuff. Theoretically
Speaker 5: it'll all be in Pokemon Champions. You can keep transferring
Speaker 5: your guys over there. It's a cool, it's a cool concept.
Speaker 5: And then also if you don't have Pokemon, for example,
Speaker 5: that you want to transfer in there, the game has
Speaker 5: ways for you to like get Pokemon to use in battle.
Speaker 5: It has codes that you can like recruit teams. Maybe
Speaker 5: it's called but someone can make a team and then
Speaker 5: there's like a copy code. I mean, you can download
Speaker 5: that and then use their team in battle. So if
Speaker 5: someone else has like a really cool spread that they
Speaker 5: have used or Pokemon and items, et cetera, you can
Speaker 5: kind of copy that and use their stats. There's similar
Speaker 5: like third party apps like Pokemon Showdown is one that's
Speaker 5: I think still around, but it's like an example of that.
Speaker 5: That's like in browser. You just pick all the stats
Speaker 5: and all the specifics for your Pokemon, and it kind
Speaker 5: of simulates competitive Pokemon bows that you haven't actually do
Speaker 5: the work of, like raising the Pokemon and getting the
Speaker 5: perfect diabetes, the perfect EV's whatever. And in the most
Speaker 5: basic sense, it's fun. It's fun to play Pokemon battles
Speaker 5: against other people. I like doing that. It has every
Speaker 5: Pokemon in it, right like incorrect. Okay, Kyle, you're doing
Speaker 5: a really good job at transitioning for me.
Speaker 4: Can I can I say a Pokemon. Can I say
Speaker 4: some of the Pokemon I've learned from Poco Pia and
Speaker 4: already in this game.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna bet zero, but go go ahead tell me.
Speaker 4: Is Professor Tang Grove in this game? Is there a tank?
Speaker 2: Doubtful?
Speaker 3: Clefke is my favorite isle poc I haven't found I
Speaker 3: don't know, let's see.
Speaker 4: Them.
Speaker 5: Oh sorry, Cleft is in the game?
Speaker 3: Mimic?
Speaker 2: Yeah, game in the game?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wouldn't most of them be in it? Or no? Not all?
Speaker 2: Like I know, Ken was mad because Mega Ryischo's not
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 5: So the thing that makes this game so odd is
Speaker 5: that it is it is. When you're playing it, it
Speaker 5: becomes clear that it's it's in a weird spot where
Speaker 5: it's unclear if it's meant for people new to Pokemon
Speaker 5: or maybe new to the competitive scene that want to
Speaker 5: just get into the battles, or if it's for people
Speaker 5: that have played a lot and want to use this
Speaker 5: as a new platform. So one of the main things
Speaker 5: is that in Pokemon Champions there is something like one
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty Pokemon that are actually compatible with the game.
Speaker 5: This is of the over one thousand Pokemon that exists now.
Speaker 5: You can only use about one hundred and eighty Pokemon.
Speaker 5: It's exclusive for.
Speaker 3: The most numbers, a lot smaller than the bigger number.
Speaker 5: It really is. It is only fully evolved forms as
Speaker 5: far as I know, So like, for example, you can
Speaker 5: have Venosare, but you can't have Bulbasore or ivy Sore.
Speaker 5: It kind of makes sense.
Speaker 4: That would exclude Pikachu, who's like the mascot.
Speaker 5: Pikachu is the one exception to this rule. So you
Speaker 5: can get Pikachu in this game. And it's funny because
Speaker 5: it's like Pikachu is not a good competitive Pokemon. They've
Speaker 5: they've really given it a lot of like like tools
Speaker 5: and stuff over the years, but like Pikachu's stats are
Speaker 5: just not as good as a lot of like really
Speaker 5: high to your Pokemon. Raichu is like a little better.
Speaker 5: But it's it's they're they're just not You don't see
Speaker 5: them very often in the competitive scene. So it makes
Speaker 5: an odd thing where it's like, Okay, so not every
Speaker 5: Pokemon is available here, Uh, what are the pros of that?
Speaker 5: The pros or that if you're not into the competitive
Speaker 5: scene you have been playing for years and years and years,
Speaker 5: it does limit the amount that you have to learn, right,
Speaker 5: there's fewer types to learn, there's fewer combinations that exist.
Speaker 5: It's a little bit more accessible in that sense.
Speaker 1: I've heard because of that limited roster. Sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 1: I've heard because that limited foster in centerre is very
Speaker 1: very powerful right now, and maybe like in typical competitive play,
Speaker 1: there are other counters that are that are present for
Speaker 1: in Centre that like it's harder to do that right
Speaker 1: now because the limited roster is that kind of right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or I mean just just broadly speaking, Uh, the
Speaker 5: meta is is very unique because there's a lot of
Speaker 5: Pokemon that are showing up that it's like, oh, this
Speaker 5: guy hasn't been viable for a few years as the
Speaker 5: games have come out or as new abilities have happened
Speaker 5: or whatever. And there's also mega evolutions in this game,
Speaker 5: which as far as I know, for a couple of years,
Speaker 5: was not a part of the competitive scene because it
Speaker 5: wasn't like a main mechanic in the games. So now
Speaker 5: this is like mega evolutions are something that you're thinking
Speaker 5: about incorporating into the games a lot more so that
Speaker 5: that's like a that's like a pro is like Okay,
Speaker 5: there's there's fewer Pokemon, but there's fewer to learn. It's
Speaker 5: kind of more approachable. The con is that, uh, this
Speaker 5: is the new hub for competitive Pokemon battling, Like next
Speaker 5: year when there's the big Pokemon World Championships and everyone
Speaker 5: gathers to do the VGC stuff, it's gonna be in
Speaker 5: Pokemon champions and that It just is frustrating because there's
Speaker 5: a lot of people that are like, I have this
Speaker 5: Pokemon and this has kind of been a deal for
Speaker 5: a while now because Pokemons had to limit the amount
Speaker 5: of Pokemon that are available in each sort of game.
Speaker 5: But it is kind of frustrating to have it this
Speaker 5: limited of you can actually only do this, and there's
Speaker 5: a lot of strategies of Pokemon that aren't fully evolved, right.
Speaker 5: There's a there's an item called the Evia Light, which
Speaker 5: multiplies your defense and special defense by one point five
Speaker 5: times if you're not fully evolved. So there's a lot
Speaker 5: of Pokemon that have like okay stats in their middle form.
Speaker 5: You can give an Evia Light that become like really
Speaker 5: bulky tank type Pokemon that don't take a lot of damage.
Speaker 5: There is a I don't know if it's in the game.
Speaker 5: I guess I'll check. I'm going off of Sarabai dot net,
Speaker 5: which is my go to Pokemon resource. Of course, pachi
Speaker 5: Risu is not in the game. That's like a really
Speaker 5: good example of a number of years ago. Patrisu not
Speaker 5: a competitively viable Pokemon at first glance. Is like a
Speaker 5: squirrel Pikachu introduced in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl was in
Speaker 5: like a winning team one year because it was such
Speaker 5: a wild card that it would show up and would
Speaker 5: just no one would know what to do with this thing,
Speaker 5: and it would like run circles around everyone, which is
Speaker 5: so fun. That's so cool, And there's so many Pokemon
Speaker 5: that that's always like the dream, right is that? Yeah,
Speaker 5: you get your favorite Pokemon and it's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: Charles's favorite Pokemon's Fampy. He made this crazy fanpy team
Speaker 5: that's stomping everyone who could have seen that coming.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm proud of myself because I was trying to
Speaker 4: look up Pichu. I've never heard of piechri resouit and
Speaker 4: I didn't want to ask you how to spell it,
Speaker 4: so I typed in a really bad version of it,
Speaker 4: but I still managed to pull it up. And I
Speaker 4: see a cute little two cute little squirrels. One's blue
Speaker 4: and one's pink, and they're not probably shiny, and they
Speaker 4: didn't make the cut. Huh, these adorable little things. It's
Speaker 4: messed up.
Speaker 5: So it's it's yeah, so it's it's an odd it's
Speaker 5: an odd state where if you are a competitive person.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 5: Also, not all the items are available in this game,
Speaker 5: So there's held items like the life orb for example,
Speaker 5: boosts all your damage and you take a little bit
Speaker 5: of damage every turn. That's like a competitive stable for
Speaker 5: years and years and years, it's not around. There's a
Speaker 5: few stuff like that that have been in all the
Speaker 5: games basically that we're just very used to seeing and
Speaker 5: anticipating that aren't around anymore. So it creates like just
Speaker 5: an odd kind of thing. If it was just a
Speaker 5: new kind of mobile or switch game, that would be
Speaker 5: one thing, but for it to kind of take over
Speaker 5: the competitive scene is making it rightfully controversial. And then
Speaker 5: there's the other aspect Kyle mentioned is it is free
Speaker 5: to play, which after playing it for a few hours
Speaker 5: it does feel icky. So I have the starter set,
Speaker 5: which is like seven bucks. We got a code for
Speaker 5: it from Nintendo. But but it's not that expensive. But
Speaker 5: it's a thing of like if you want to adjust
Speaker 5: your Pokemon's stats or change their moves or change their nature,
Speaker 5: these are all things you can do in the games
Speaker 5: with items that you'll get from like playing through an RPG,
Speaker 5: and this want it costs.
Speaker 2: The helmet or the iron band or whatever they are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this one it costs victory points or like
Speaker 5: specific tickets for each of these things. So there's an
Speaker 5: element of in the game you can just be like, oh,
Speaker 5: this strategy isn't working, I'm gonna try to switch it
Speaker 5: up and use this or whatever. And this one it's like, well,
Speaker 5: if you've won enough games, you can change your strategy,
Speaker 5: or if you're paying money, then you can maybe change
Speaker 5: your strategy. But it's it is like a limited amount
Speaker 5: of wiggle room you have because all this stuff costs currency.
Speaker 5: And then also to unlock Pokemon is like kind of
Speaker 5: a weird It's not quite a gotcha system because it's
Speaker 5: a little more forgiving than that. But it's like, if
Speaker 5: you want to add a new Pokemon to your team,
Speaker 5: you can only do it once every twenty four hours,
Speaker 5: and then when you do it, a bunch of Pokemon
Speaker 5: will appear, and then if you have enough victory point,
Speaker 5: you can either pay to add them to your team permanently,
Speaker 5: or you can rent them for a week to use
Speaker 5: in battle, but you can't adjust their stats or moves
Speaker 5: or anything while you're renting them. You can also spend
Speaker 5: quick tickets maybe they're called to shorten that weight time
Speaker 5: so you can just roll over and over again. And
Speaker 5: then you can also spend these other like tickets to
Speaker 5: basically redeem to just gain the pokemon permanently. So as
Speaker 5: someone who has the starter pack, it's not that hard
Speaker 5: for me to have spent seven dollars and then build
Speaker 5: this team up relatively quickly. It's not all the Pokemon
Speaker 5: I want, but every time I roll, I get a
Speaker 5: choice of like ten to choose from something like that.
Speaker 5: It's a pretty wide thing, but it is a weird.
Speaker 5: It's just a weird game that like every time I'm
Speaker 5: doing a battle, I'm like, this is cool, but I
Speaker 5: might want to change up my strategy, and just knowing
Speaker 5: that that's like using my resources and I'm just draining
Speaker 5: my bank over time to just try to get like
Speaker 5: a slightly better team is odd and doesn't feel great.
Speaker 3: I would use the word bad.
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 5: I might agree with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I also I just I have a really distage.
Speaker 3: Free to play stuff just really rubs me the wrong way,
Speaker 3: especially when it's yeah, you know, I mean, we're all
Speaker 3: adults here, but a game for children, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: not to say that way.
Speaker 5: This game has a it has a battle Pass. The
Speaker 5: Battle Pass has a paid tier, and it has a
Speaker 5: monthly membership subscription. So if you wanted to be playing
Speaker 5: this game, you could pay five bucks a month for
Speaker 5: the membership and then also pay ten dollars to unlock
Speaker 5: the higher tier of the battle Pass, which comes with
Speaker 5: mega Evolution stones and more Pokemon you can add to
Speaker 5: your team. How much is the paid battle the pay
Speaker 5: tier the battle passes ten bucks, and then so you
Speaker 5: pay that and then five bucks on top of that
Speaker 5: if you want to be a member that gets you
Speaker 5: extra things, I guess, and then seven bucks if you
Speaker 5: want the starter oh Pass, which is like on one hand,
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, if it's a Switch game, that's what
Speaker 5: ten plus five plus twelve that's twenty two bucks. It's like, sure,
Speaker 5: we can pay twenty two bucks to play a Pokemon game.
Speaker 5: I don't need to necessarily get everything for free. But
Speaker 5: the way it's all structured is like it's designed to
Speaker 5: make you feel and even you know, there's some games
Speaker 5: where you pay the price and then it's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm past the paywall. I can kind of like relax
Speaker 5: a little bit. I feel like I've I've I've gotten
Speaker 5: past the there's no ads anymore. There's no like I'm
Speaker 5: having to stress about this, which is a game is.
Speaker 3: Usually pretty good about paying like that. They usually have
Speaker 3: a decent system for like their free to start games
Speaker 3: they like to call them where it's like like like
Speaker 3: where you hit a tier where you're like, wow, I've
Speaker 3: actually I've bought the game at this point, you know.
Speaker 4: Is there a is there like an in game currency
Speaker 4: that you can use in place of money that you
Speaker 4: can just earn like my only My Only sort of
Speaker 4: like comparison and I know it's not one to one
Speaker 4: is like you gi Oh Master Joel, which is a
Speaker 4: free game that you can buy things, but there's an
Speaker 4: in game current and see where you can just like
Speaker 4: just by playing matches you can actually unlock everything just
Speaker 4: with the in game currency, and you really can. Only
Speaker 4: you would really only use money if you just didn't
Speaker 4: want to like wait right, or you just didn't want
Speaker 4: to play competitive matches to get things. But like, I've
Speaker 4: rarely ever put money into that game. Someone that's put
Speaker 4: over like six hundred hours into that game. So I
Speaker 4: was wondering if, like if if Pokemon had like an
Speaker 4: alternative to like, oh yeah, you can just if you
Speaker 4: just played a bunch, you could just unlock everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the short answers, Yes, there's victory points, which
Speaker 5: is kind of that currency that fills that role that
Speaker 5: you get from winning. You get a little bit when
Speaker 5: you lose, but you get a lot more. It's like
Speaker 5: you get three hundred when you win in eighty when
Speaker 5: you lose, and I think maybe that scales up as
Speaker 5: you rank up through the ranked matches and stuff. But
Speaker 5: there's like the Battle Pass, for example, I think has
Speaker 5: My guess is that as the items are exclusive to
Speaker 5: the Battle Pass and the Pokemon Exclusive Battle Pass, assuming
Speaker 5: again that you don't have the games and can transfer
Speaker 5: them in from Pokemon Home, some of that stuff that
Speaker 5: is like quote unquote exclusive is just things you could
Speaker 5: get in like Pokemon Legends Za for example, and transfer
Speaker 5: them in.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's an interesting game. I'm I'm having fun
Speaker 5: playing it, Like it's not it's it's Pokemon. I've heard
Speaker 5: people say that there's glitches so far, and people are
Speaker 5: definitely mad that like some of the stuff isn't present,
Speaker 5: But when you kind of look at it for what
Speaker 5: it is, it's like, sure, it's Pokemon Battles and it's online,
Speaker 5: and I enjoy trying to like.
Speaker 3: Is it are you? I know we've been talking a
Speaker 3: lot about the sort of like monetization, but like structurally,
Speaker 3: is it like you're just kind of playing match after
Speaker 3: match after match with other players online?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's like there's ranked, you can do single battles,
Speaker 5: you can do double battles, and I think maybe there's unranked,
Speaker 5: but I've I've just been playing ranked.
Speaker 4: Okay, but there's no like PvE, it's just other.
Speaker 5: Metters, got it, Yeah, it's all all other players. There
Speaker 5: might be bots. There's some people were making such bad moves.
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is probably a bot. But also it
Speaker 5: could be like an year old because it might.
Speaker 4: Have been.
Speaker 5: It might have been marketing.
Speaker 3: He was like what and it also, by the way,
Speaker 3: it also it looks like it's currently only on switch
Speaker 3: like it will come to mobile platforms later apparently, Oh no,
Speaker 3: because I was gonna send it to my daughter and
Speaker 3: see if she was interested, but I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's okay, switch only right now, okay.
Speaker 2: H all right.
Speaker 5: And it also, uh just kind of raises a point
Speaker 5: I've been wanting to make. And maybe this is like
Speaker 5: an opinion piece all write out on the site at
Speaker 5: some point, but I do I feel like there's there's
Speaker 5: too many Pokemon, and I think Nintendo needs to have
Speaker 5: a solution for that, because right now, it's a weird,
Speaker 5: like every time a new game comes out, it's a
Speaker 5: weird dice roll to see if like the one you
Speaker 5: like is going to get in there, and if you're
Speaker 5: not a fan of like like specifically the original one
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty one, like they introduced new Pokemon every year,
Speaker 5: and then there's a thing of like, well, who knows
Speaker 5: if you like I've I've got a yamper on the
Speaker 5: wall behind me. It's a stuffed animal. That's why Pokemon
Speaker 5: little like Corgi electric dog. He's very cute. You can
Speaker 5: get merch of him relatively easily. As far as I know,
Speaker 5: He's only appeared in like one game. He's only appeared
Speaker 5: in Sword and Shield and maybe a spinoff or two.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it was introduced what seven years ago
Speaker 5: when those games came out, and it's just not a
Speaker 5: Pokemon that is recurring. So it's almost like she's punished
Speaker 5: for having a favorite that came out more recently. But
Speaker 5: it's just like a.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 5: The longer it goes on, the more I think they're
Speaker 5: gonna be cursed to be like, well, you didn't include
Speaker 5: every form of Pikachu and every of this Pokemon. And
Speaker 5: people get angry at wind Goal. They're like, why do
Speaker 5: is wing Goal show up all the time just because
Speaker 5: this is on a beach. We need more seagull Pokemon.
Speaker 5: There's other water Pokemon.
Speaker 3: The solution is, obviously, we hold a battle Royale every
Speaker 3: three years where reader everyone people vote on their favorite
Speaker 3: Pokemon in the top the bottom fifty just disappear if
Speaker 3: they just get deleted.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, Like I think you need a Fano
Speaker 4: snap event in Pokemon lore, like randomly half of them
Speaker 4: just get wiped out and it's totally fair because it's random.
Speaker 3: Going half wow.
Speaker 5: That does that? Does? This will be the last thing
Speaker 5: I said about the game. They did. It was a
Speaker 5: number of years ago, but they they did a poll
Speaker 5: to ask everyone what their favorite Pokemon was. I remember, yeah,
Speaker 5: and the least favorite Pokemon, or the one that was
Speaker 5: the least people's favorite Pokemon was Semis, which is a
Speaker 5: fire Pokemon black and white. Uh, there's Semissage, Semis, and Simapore,
Speaker 5: which were three elemental monkeys that were just not favored
Speaker 5: by a lot of people. All three of these dudes
Speaker 5: are in Pokemon Champions.
Speaker 4: With this guy, I.
Speaker 2: Just know I can't stand him. I'm I'm with the public.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's stupid or Pokemon in this guy.
Speaker 5: It's it's not that I don't hate It's not that
Speaker 5: I hate Semis, it's that he was he I don't
Speaker 5: know that he was the most hated. He was just
Speaker 5: the least people's favorite. Everyone else had a different favorite.
Speaker 4: Maybe people just don't use him a lot. It's not
Speaker 4: so much like a personal distage. It's like I just
Speaker 4: don't really use since since.
Speaker 3: That is that is hilarious to Charles said, it was
Speaker 3: the bottom of that list. Is one that made it
Speaker 3: into Champions, is what you're saying, right.
Speaker 4: I think they did it despite those people.
Speaker 5: And another another Pokemon that is not good, Like it's
Speaker 5: not all the competitively best Pokemon. It's kind of a
Speaker 5: lot of Pokemon that are seemingly randomly picked in some cases.
Speaker 1: So nice, interesting, Well that's Pokemon Champions. Kyle tell us
Speaker 1: about people of note, I know this is a music
Speaker 1: themed game. I've I've seen it people talking about it
Speaker 1: a bit here and there and the lead up to
Speaker 1: the release, but tell us about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've only played like, I don't know, like
Speaker 3: an hour or two, maybe like two or three hours.
Speaker 3: It's like it's a it's a kind of it's an
Speaker 3: old school ish RPG in the sense that like I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I'm in the first dungeon right, like
Speaker 3: I had that feeling. But the way the game is
Speaker 3: structured is it's like this very specifically like like musically
Speaker 3: musically themed world in the sense that like everyone uses
Speaker 3: musical terms, like you unlock the ability to like kick
Speaker 3: objects and the attack is called like forte you know,
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Is it kind of like Troll's World Tour?
Speaker 3: Yes? Actually, yeah, that's a great Have you seen Trolls
Speaker 3: World Tour?
Speaker 5: That's that's all the Trolls I've seen.
Speaker 2: It was like this one's so good.
Speaker 3: They're fun, not like those movies. My my, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: just like having a moment, like, oh, I didn't think
Speaker 3: anyone else on this call would have seen a Trolls
Speaker 3: movie other.
Speaker 4: Than my girlfriend has been trying to convince me to
Speaker 4: watch those movies because she loves they're fun.
Speaker 3: They're not bad. There are There are certainly worse animated
Speaker 3: movies to watch than Trolls, for sure, but.
Speaker 4: Yes, it is done a spoiler cast on one of them.
Speaker 3: Really Okay, uh god, you guys are throwing me off
Speaker 3: so much, but yeah, Like Trolls World Tour is a
Speaker 3: movie where they go to like different genres take over
Speaker 3: like different sections of the world. Right, there's like the
Speaker 3: the there's like the country section, the pop section and stuff,
Speaker 3: and that is kind of similar here there's like a
Speaker 3: K pop area and a J pop area and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. But the thing about it is that it's
Speaker 3: like it it's reminiscent of like a Final Fantasy nine
Speaker 3: or a ten. Right is like maybe the most direct
Speaker 3: line where it's like you kind of have isometric camera.
Speaker 3: It's fully three D. Like the beginning kind of reminds
Speaker 3: me of Final Fantasy ten a little bit in like
Speaker 3: a very complimentary way really, and then and then the
Speaker 3: combat is like turn based, and then you have like
Speaker 3: timed button pressing in the combat, which I love. Like
Speaker 3: that's that's the key to my heart when it comes
Speaker 3: to a turn based RPG when I when it's not there,
Speaker 3: I miss it at this point. But it's like it's
Speaker 3: not quite rhythm based so much as it feels like
Speaker 3: a QTE, it doesn't, you know, there's it's not like
Speaker 3: you're like need to like be on rhythm, but but
Speaker 3: it's it's it's good. I like what I played. Like
Speaker 3: the writing is is clever, like it is it's very
Speaker 3: heavy on the sort of the musical puns and things
Speaker 3: like that. But like there's I took a couple like
Speaker 3: it's always like the A metric for like, oh this
Speaker 3: the writing must be pretty good. It's like I'm taking
Speaker 3: I took a few screenshots of lines of dialogue that
Speaker 3: I liked them, Like, oh, that's that's clever, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's like it's pretty straightforward in a complimentary way.
Speaker 3: You know, you get into fights, you find a store
Speaker 3: and you can like buy stronger equipment and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and like the way the random battles works, like you
Speaker 3: fully elect if you want to do them, in the
Speaker 3: sense that like no characters are running up to you
Speaker 3: to fight you or anything like that. It's not random.
Speaker 3: You enter a room and it's like you can if
Speaker 3: you want to fight, you can press the Y button,
Speaker 3: you know. But if you want to just like run
Speaker 3: around and like explore and try to solve these puzzles,
Speaker 3: you can do that too. And it was like I
Speaker 3: like that system because like a random battles drive me insane.
Speaker 3: I've always hated them. And then b it's like I
Speaker 3: ran into a situation where I was like I found
Speaker 3: this little shop and this guy was selling things and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm like just a couple you know,
Speaker 3: vinyls short of buying this improved vest, I'll just do
Speaker 3: a couple of battles right here. I'll just press why.
Speaker 3: And it's like I like that sort of like you know,
Speaker 3: it's fully up to me if I want to engage
Speaker 3: with that stuff. But yeah, it seems really solid, right,
Speaker 3: It's not like it's not really innovative as near as
Speaker 3: I can see, like maybe it maybe it gets more
Speaker 3: out out out of the bounds of what we expect
Speaker 3: from the genre later in the game, but like early on,
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, no, this is like a really great,
Speaker 3: like solid turn based RPG that feels kind of nostalgic,
Speaker 3: and the combat is fun and the art style is cool,
Speaker 3: and like I like the protagonist, like she seems she's
Speaker 3: like really motivated to become this like popular singer and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. Like it's uh, it's it's very charming.
Speaker 3: And it's like if you like turn based RPGs and
Speaker 3: you have you have fond memories of like the the
Speaker 3: you know, Final Fantasy seven, eight nine and even a
Speaker 3: little bit into ten uh like era, like this is
Speaker 3: this is where taking a look at for sure.
Speaker 1: That's cool people, I uh yeah, yeah, that sounds good people.
Speaker 1: Note I did want to also very quickly chat about
Speaker 1: a game.
Speaker 2: That was set in my way. It's it's a port for.
Speaker 1: Switch to of of Shadow Tactics Blades of the Shogun.
Speaker 1: Have you did either any of you play the original?
Speaker 1: It's from me and Me games.
Speaker 3: Is that the Pirates they're not pirates in that.
Speaker 2: They made the Pirate Crew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is that which was their last game before
Speaker 1: they shut Oh god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they shut down. Not long after that game came out.
Speaker 2: They shut down.
Speaker 1: I think I think they If I remember right, it
Speaker 1: was before the game came out, it was like right
Speaker 1: after it was like it was pretty it was like
Speaker 1: it was pretty known that like this is our last game,
Speaker 1: but really and stuff, We're gone. Yeah, I mean like
Speaker 1: they me and Me has worked on a lot of games.
Speaker 1: Desperados three, I think they worked on that one last
Speaker 1: Tinker Shadow game, but the Curse Crew and then we
Speaker 1: talked about that in twenty twenty three, but they they
Speaker 1: have so Shadow Tactics. Blades as a Shogun first came
Speaker 1: out I think in twenty sixteen or so. There's also
Speaker 1: a DLC called Ico's Choice. It's also been brought over
Speaker 1: to Switch to. But I did just want to shout
Speaker 1: it out because I downloaded it for my cruise and
Speaker 1: then I got on my cruise and barely played my
Speaker 1: switch but I didn't. I I've been meanings it to
Speaker 1: just bring it up on the show. It's like something
Speaker 1: to highlight for people looking for, you know, a new
Speaker 1: new in quotations, maybe one you missed right. Maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe one you missed right. Me me me do fantastic work.
Speaker 1: If you're looking for a a switch to Steal Slash
Speaker 1: Tactics game. I mean, the art is gorgeous, It's takes
Speaker 1: place in the Edo period in Japan, and it's got
Speaker 1: all these really cool systems. I'm still pretty early, but
Speaker 1: it's feels great for switch and I mean there's like
Speaker 1: a mouse mode now for switch To. I'm I, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm hit or I actually don't use
Speaker 1: mouse mode ever on my switch To.
Speaker 2: I know some I don't. I know some people like.
Speaker 1: That, but it is there and I've heard from others
Speaker 1: that it works very well.
Speaker 2: But I plan to talk about.
Speaker 1: It a bit more on probably this week's edition of
Speaker 1: our What to Play this weekend on the website. But
Speaker 1: I did just want to shout it out. I know
Speaker 1: we're kind of crunched for time today, but the whole
Speaker 1: thing in the DLC are out on switch To.
Speaker 2: It looks gorgeous.
Speaker 1: It's got like that that game has like such like
Speaker 1: a cool like there's a grain to the art that
Speaker 1: I find really, uh really neat, and I mean on
Speaker 1: the switch to screen it just looks incredible. So I'm
Speaker 1: excited to keep playing that. But I did want to
Speaker 1: shout it out. Shadow Tactics Blades of the Shogun.
Speaker 4: Nice. Do we know what happened to like the like Manbi,
Speaker 4: I'm trying not to say maybe you yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 4: do we know where any of those devs wound up
Speaker 4: or if they spun up anything?
Speaker 1: So actually it's funny. Maddie was the comms lead, the
Speaker 1: former comms lead on the game, and they're the ones
Speaker 1: who are emailing me. So there are there's. Their games
Speaker 1: are still being published, but they as the developer, is
Speaker 1: no longer around. However, I believe that the founders of
Speaker 1: the studio worked to help bring this port to life.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like a pretty complicated situation, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like people. You know, it was a situation where
Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of sadness about leaving
Speaker 1: it behind, and people are so excited about the properties
Speaker 1: and such and the games and have found ways to work.
Speaker 2: On them still. But yeah, I might have more to say.
Speaker 2: I might.
Speaker 1: We'll see how the upcoming episodes happen. You know, it's
Speaker 1: always it's always hard, But I plan to keep playing
Speaker 1: this throughout the year, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know we're I know we're strapped for time.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick ad break. We're gonna come back
Speaker 1: and talk about the best Zelda games. Be right back
Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back to the Game Informer show.
Speaker 1: It's time to talk about Zelda games. Kyle, real quick,
Speaker 1: before we get started, I do want to give us
Speaker 1: a chance to talk about the feature that we pulled together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's what inspired this discussion, and it's it's the
Speaker 1: Zelda feature in the latest issue of Game.
Speaker 3: Informer magazine, which we did make free. We decided to
Speaker 3: not have it behind the paywall, so if you want
Speaker 3: to check it out forty years of Zelda's legend, it's
Speaker 3: on our home page. I'm sure you can find it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what it is is, it's we reached out
Speaker 3: to just a bunch of developers and said, hey, why
Speaker 3: is Zelda important to you and which one's your favorite?
Speaker 3: And we got all like we talked to and we
Speaker 3: also like extended it beyond developers a little bit, like
Speaker 3: we talked to Matt Mercer, who voices Gannendorff you know
Speaker 3: in the recent games, and Patricia Summrset, who voices Zelda
Speaker 3: I talked to. I'm sure I've plugged a bunch but
Speaker 3: I talked to Matt Johnson, the director of Nirvana, the band,
Speaker 3: the show, the movie, and I just when I interviewed
Speaker 3: him recently, I took some time to talk to him
Speaker 3: about Zelda, so I included his thoughts in there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: like we got we got in touch with Eric Barone
Speaker 3: from Stardoo Valley and he talked to and he sent
Speaker 3: us some because what I did is I reached out
Speaker 3: and just said I didn't like have phone calls all
Speaker 3: these people, but I was like, hey, send us like
Speaker 3: some some text about like what why you like Zelda?
Speaker 3: But Capcom, the director of Only Musha, Way of the
Speaker 3: Sword is on there. Greg Cassavin from Super Giant Games,
Speaker 3: we have words from him. I'm gonna shout out a
Speaker 3: bunch of these just to try to get you to
Speaker 3: go check it out. The creator of Iconoclass, which is
Speaker 3: like an indie game that I love. Young he Chi,
Speaker 3: who directed who is you know? I guess you could
Speaker 3: say it's still directing Pragmata because it's not out yet.
Speaker 3: He really he gave us some text, but he also
Speaker 3: was like, hey, do you mind if I draw a
Speaker 3: little picture for you guys? And he has Diana from
Speaker 3: Pragmata holding a little cake that says like happy anniversary.
Speaker 2: Just got a little green hat.
Speaker 3: On yeah, which is so great. I was like, I
Speaker 3: was so charmed, But I was like, it's funny that
Speaker 3: he felt like he had to ask permission.
Speaker 5: That more often just being like, uh, yeah, we can
Speaker 5: do an email interview, or you could just draws a picture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have the direct draw a picture to all
Speaker 4: my as a response to my questions.
Speaker 2: I noticed you're wearing a green hat.
Speaker 3: I just realized, yeah, yeah, he's caused playing as Diana
Speaker 3: in that that little drawing that he did. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: just a shout out. A couple more we heard from
Speaker 3: folks from Sega, the director of Street Fighters six, Uh,
Speaker 3: let's see, uh, the producer of the Like a Dragon
Speaker 3: series is on there, Yacht Club Games we heard from
Speaker 3: uh yeah, just like a huge list of people just
Speaker 3: talking about a Lives of p I thought was a
Speaker 3: fun when we got the director of Lives and P
Speaker 3: on there, which West trackdown. But yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 3: big piece that looks great in the magazine and you
Speaker 3: can find on the site, and it's just it's just
Speaker 3: fun to hear like all these developers who are making
Speaker 3: video games as their career are like, yeah, no, the
Speaker 3: series is really important to me, and like here's here's
Speaker 3: what I love about it, and yeah, I thanks for
Speaker 3: letting me plug that feature and all you guys helped
Speaker 3: put it together, so I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, uh, let's get started, y'all. Who wants to go first?
Speaker 1: Who wants to start talking about their favorite Zelda games.
Speaker 1: I think we said going in, like we were gonna
Speaker 1: like Link to the Past and Ocarina and Breath of
Speaker 1: the Wild.
Speaker 2: We've talked about those to death, not that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the larger ranch eys and what it means
Speaker 3: to us. I mean I Zelda is like not to
Speaker 3: not to be too like hyperbolic, like it is like
Speaker 3: the the most important like video game thing to me,
Speaker 3: like period. Like I would not be here writing about
Speaker 3: video games if I had not fallen in love with
Speaker 3: The Opera of Time, which was my first proper Zelda
Speaker 3: that I, like, you know, played on N sixty four.
Speaker 3: I had like dabbled with Link to the Past and
Speaker 3: things like that and and Links Awakening, but like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that that game is hugely to me, Like
Speaker 3: it it is the series that made me recognize that
Speaker 3: video games are art, right, like very clearly, Like this
Speaker 3: is an experience that will make you feel things other
Speaker 3: than oh I beat that level right, like oh I
Speaker 3: was able to beat that Mega Man X boss that
Speaker 3: was really exciting. Where Zelda like I had a whole
Speaker 3: suite of emotions going through, like fear and sadness and
Speaker 3: like excitement and like confusion and like joy for figuring
Speaker 3: things out, and I felt like I was like Hiral
Speaker 3: felt like a real place to me, Like it is.
Speaker 3: I can't overstate how incredibly important Zelda is to me personally,
Speaker 3: like it is acream Time is like I always say,
Speaker 3: my favorite game of all time, and that is like
Speaker 3: it's it's not a position that can be unseated, not
Speaker 3: because there aren't better games, not because there aren't you know,
Speaker 3: experiences that are better designed, but like that game is
Speaker 3: the thing that made me fall in love with a
Speaker 3: medium that I otherwise really liked a lot. It was
Speaker 3: a fun hobby and Akarina turned into like this may
Speaker 3: be the most important thing to me period. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: I mean that's that's that's Zelda for me. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you guys have the same quite as strong
Speaker 3: feelings as I do. I'm not sure, but i'd love
Speaker 3: to know.
Speaker 4: My love of a series. A lot of it, especially
Speaker 4: the earlier stuff, is a little bit more kind of
Speaker 4: like in hindsight or retrospective, because it's like I grew
Speaker 4: up with an NES and an SNS, but I never
Speaker 4: had I never owned Zelda for either of them, like
Speaker 4: the original or Linked in the past, And the first
Speaker 4: Zelda I ever played was actually links Awakening. I had
Speaker 4: a game Boy, and I remember a kid in elementary
Speaker 4: school let me borrow his copy of Links Awakening, and
Speaker 4: it's like I was aware of the series. I knew
Speaker 4: of it, and I remember playing it for like a night,
Speaker 4: and I did not like it because I didn't understand purely,
Speaker 4: I didn't understand what to do, and cause I had
Speaker 4: never played anything like it at that point, like I
Speaker 4: was playing so many other games, but a lot of
Speaker 4: it was like platformers like Mario. I was like Super
Speaker 4: Into or like Sonic at that point, like just this
Speaker 4: adventure game, we just kind of more or less kind
Speaker 4: of are free to go around and nothing's really it's
Speaker 4: not as directed as something where you're just moving from
Speaker 4: left to right. So I was just like where do
Speaker 4: I what did these puzzles like? And I just I
Speaker 4: handed it back to him, like I don't know about
Speaker 4: this and I didn't really get it. And I always
Speaker 4: looked back on that and kind of chuckled because I
Speaker 4: was like, man, I was this close to like writing
Speaker 4: off that series forever. I was like, I don't think
Speaker 4: this for me, and like I played, I played a
Speaker 4: Karina at friends because I never had an n sixty
Speaker 4: four like from after the Superintendo. I didn't have a
Speaker 4: Nintendo console until the Wei, so I missed out on
Speaker 4: a Karina and Majora and stuff, and I would only
Speaker 4: play those at friend's house, but it would be like
Speaker 4: the beginning, like I played that opening Caca Ego Village
Speaker 4: part so many times, which is like, you know, the
Speaker 4: game doesn't actually start at that point, so it's not
Speaker 4: enough to really be like Wow, what a game. But
Speaker 4: like as I got older, I started admiring the series
Speaker 4: more and more from afar, like I remember reading game
Speaker 4: form a review for win Wa Cerren sing it get ten.
Speaker 4: I was like, and I thought it looked cool, like
Speaker 4: the art direction. Like I just remember having friends that
Speaker 4: were like enraged, like I can't believe what they've done
Speaker 4: to Link and I was like, this looks cool to me.
Speaker 4: I don't know why you're so mad. This looks awesome.
Speaker 4: I wish I could play it. I have a PS
Speaker 4: two and it was around when it was we Generation.
Speaker 4: Once I had that that I started to actually go
Speaker 4: back and play them because it was when they they
Speaker 4: added Links Awakening to the virtual console and I was like, finally,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go actually sit down and play all of this.
Speaker 4: And what was the.
Speaker 3: First one that you like played beginning to end? Like
Speaker 3: do you know?
Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember because if it wasn't Links to
Speaker 4: Link to the Past, it might have been Twilight Princess
Speaker 4: because I played that on WI Yeah, so I that
Speaker 4: was definitely the first three D Zelda I played from
Speaker 4: start to finish. I just don't remember it was the
Speaker 4: first Zelda, so it was either that or Linked to
Speaker 4: the Past, I know for sure. And then I just
Speaker 4: kind of went backwards like I you know, I bought
Speaker 4: the GameCube copy of wind Waker played on WI whatever
Speaker 4: for like uh a Karina. I played in college like
Speaker 4: the original version of it on N sixty four because
Speaker 4: I had a friend who had their in sixty four
Speaker 4: and I was like, can I just come over your
Speaker 4: house like over like an hour long and just get
Speaker 4: through his game? And so that's how I played it.
Speaker 4: And I guess like the first game that I ever
Speaker 4: got in like brand new was Skyward Sword interestingly enough,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's like I said, a lot of my
Speaker 4: someone that didn't like totally grew up with it but
Speaker 4: just admired it. I have so almost like a lot
Speaker 4: of like a historical appreciation for a lot of the
Speaker 4: series and was going, you know, going back and just
Speaker 4: like appreciating it for what it did at the time,
Speaker 4: even if I didn't have it wasn't like a formative
Speaker 4: experience for me. But then once I got into like
Speaker 4: the newer stuff, then it was like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: still like this is the best thing I've played, like today,
Speaker 4: Like when Link between Worlds came out, which is game
Speaker 4: it doesn't get talked about enough. I don't think I
Speaker 4: think that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that game is.
Speaker 4: That game is phenomenal, Like it might be my favorite
Speaker 4: three yes game. Uh and then Breath of the Wild
Speaker 4: is one probably top five favorite games of all time.
Speaker 4: Like adore that game and made me feel like a
Speaker 4: little kid again playing it. Uh. Yeah, So It's like
Speaker 4: I missed I missed the boat for like the first half.
Speaker 3: Of the Red Line. You missed the Red Line.
Speaker 4: I missed the Red Line. Actually, you know what, going
Speaker 4: back to which one was my first one, I just
Speaker 4: remembered I did have Minish Cap on GBA and I
Speaker 4: played it on my switch light, So I think, actually,
Speaker 4: I think minush Caap was my first one that I
Speaker 4: finished for like, played from start to finish.
Speaker 3: Not I love Minish Caps like a top five Zelda
Speaker 3: for me truly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Grace sound track. I mean, you all have
Speaker 4: great sales tricks, but I have a special affinity that
Speaker 4: I think, actually, I think that is my first proper
Speaker 4: Zelda from start to finish is Minage cap. Not a
Speaker 4: weaken that part of my memory.
Speaker 3: But yeah, his physical his copy like GBA box, I.
Speaker 4: Still have mine, but I just have the cartridge. I
Speaker 4: don't have the box.
Speaker 1: Well, when Marcus started talking, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't collect many physical games all, you know,
Speaker 1: I really kind of keep it pretty limited because I
Speaker 1: run out of space. I do have probably my favorite
Speaker 1: thing that I own is my my Game Boy collection. Uh,
Speaker 1: and Marcus started talking about Links Awakening. I've got links
Speaker 1: Awakening the version, yeah, d X version. Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of these I purchased. I would start with the cartridge,
Speaker 1: so these aren't like my originals, and then over time
Speaker 1: of like okay, I want to get like the full
Speaker 1: complete in box, and so I would like I remember
Speaker 1: I had this. I was watching eBay for ages for
Speaker 1: Pokemon Pinball like a mint box, and but I.
Speaker 2: I've slowly been accumulating them.
Speaker 1: But the Zelda Zelda feels I mean poke, it's hard
Speaker 1: not to not to say about Pokemon. You talk about
Speaker 1: childhood nostalga with the game Boy, but I just remember,
Speaker 1: like I've got Zelda Sporcle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I for the first time, like recently
Speaker 3: when it came out on Switch, was the first time
Speaker 3: I played through it.
Speaker 4: Those are the two that I still have not played.
Speaker 4: I think those are the only two Zeldas I've not
Speaker 4: touched at all. But I got both of them on like,
Speaker 4: I have them on my three ys, and I bought
Speaker 4: them before they shut down the shops, so they are
Speaker 4: waiting for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Ages and Seasons as a kid,
Speaker 1: it really appealed because it was that they were doing
Speaker 1: the Pokemon thing right.
Speaker 2: The Red and the Blue. Unfortunately there was no green.
Speaker 1: But you know, I just love every every few months,
Speaker 1: I'll pull out my game Boy collection and just kind
Speaker 1: of like rift through like the you know, the manuals,
Speaker 1: and it really there's something about the Zelda games in
Speaker 1: particular that bring up a a certain nostalgia for me.
Speaker 1: It's funny because like my friends owned all of these
Speaker 1: games growing up, and so I would like play it
Speaker 1: here and there, and I would like look at their
Speaker 1: game copies and read their manuals. But my family didn't
Speaker 1: really have the money to buy a lot of games.
Speaker 1: I was always renting games, and of course you couldn't
Speaker 1: rent game Boy games, at least not in my area, and.
Speaker 5: So that was the thing I was never I wasn't
Speaker 5: renting games when game Boy games were yeah on the.
Speaker 3: Shelves, but my Blockbuster had a few, but it was
Speaker 3: really really rare.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember really wanting Probby Tilt Tumble and being disappointed
Speaker 3: Blockbuster never had. I don't want to try that thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it just like brings me back and
Speaker 1: I love it, and I love these games, and you know, game.
Speaker 3: Boy is like you're in for Zelda, Like that's where right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's kind of like where you love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of like with me a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it probably started actually in sixty four and
Speaker 1: then afterwards going because like I said, I never had
Speaker 1: the money to buy the games, and so my enjoyment
Speaker 1: was tied to my friends copies.
Speaker 2: And that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And that was kind of like my story with Zelda
Speaker 1: in general. I played the Operina of Time games or
Speaker 1: a game rather countless times, but I always had to
Speaker 1: rent it, and so every time I would start from
Speaker 1: the start, and I never actually beat it because I
Speaker 1: would only have like two days and I was just
Speaker 1: not the kid who could sit down and play through
Speaker 1: an entire game in two days. But so a lot
Speaker 1: of my fandom for Zelda came after the fact, and
Speaker 1: like as an adult going back and while I remember
Speaker 1: I remember like picking these up in Target and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, seeing my friends have them
Speaker 1: and look at them, it really wasn't until I was
Speaker 1: probably in my early twenties that I finally started going
Speaker 1: back and playing them. And uh, yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: love the Zelda series so much, and the game Boy
Speaker 1: games in particular, and I include the GBA games.
Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about.
Speaker 1: Minus Cap earlier, and then from there I really started
Speaker 1: to get into like like I had Spirit Tracks, and
Speaker 1: Spirit Tracks is like this show really interesting departure, but
Speaker 1: it's funny. Spirit Tracks was actually probably the it took
Speaker 1: me off guard. I didn't really know much about it.
Speaker 1: I saw Zelda on the cover and I bought it
Speaker 1: without sight unseen.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the hell is this?
Speaker 1: I was I was thinking it was gonna be like
Speaker 1: linked in the past, you know, and then it's like, wait,
Speaker 1: I moved the stylist.
Speaker 2: What is happening. It's a weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a weird. It's weird on the touchscreen controls, yeah,
Speaker 3: like yeah, the structure of like being on the train. Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's when I was gonna ask, like, did you ever
Speaker 4: play Phantom Hourglass before Spirit Tracks? Or have you played
Speaker 4: Phantom Hourglass in general?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to find a copy in my local
Speaker 1: stores and I just never see it. And I guess
Speaker 1: I could go on eBay and just buy it, but
Speaker 1: there's something about I kind of like to to stumble
Speaker 1: on those game Boy games when I'm out and about,
Speaker 1: unless I've already got the game and I'm looking for
Speaker 1: the packaging. Usually, like I find these at like I
Speaker 1: go to level Up Games in Minneapolis and I'll find
Speaker 1: the game and I'm like, Okay, now I can go
Speaker 1: on eBay and I'll buy the packaging if I really
Speaker 1: want it.
Speaker 4: I say, that was the first one where you played
Speaker 4: with the stylists and at the time and we're like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is so weird, but then eventually it kind of
Speaker 4: coialesces and it works. It still as one of the
Speaker 4: best Zelda puzzles ever where you have to.
Speaker 5: Shut the Do you think that's one of the best
Speaker 5: Zelda puzzles.
Speaker 4: It's I think it's one of the cleverest Zelda.
Speaker 2: It's very very metal gear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it's such a fourth wall breaking puzzle. Like
Speaker 4: at the time, I was like, holy crap, that's such.
Speaker 3: A cool life before I definitely want to hear Charles's history.
Speaker 3: But Marcus, could you explain that puzzle for people that
Speaker 3: might not understand. It's very simple.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's basically I might get the d tales wrong.
Speaker 4: Feel for you to correct me if I'm wrong, but
Speaker 4: basically you have to I think you have a map
Speaker 4: or you have some sort of piece of paper you
Speaker 4: need to need to copy something or print something from
Speaker 4: the top, Yeah, from the top screen to the bottom.
Speaker 4: And the way you do that is that you have
Speaker 4: to physically close the DS and then open it back up,
Speaker 4: and the stamp appears on the other screen. And it
Speaker 4: doesn't like tell you to do that, is just like
Speaker 4: get this stamp from here to there. You're like wow.
Speaker 4: And then I just remember thinking, I'm I'm like, what
Speaker 4: if You're like, that's the only way I could think
Speaker 4: of it. I was like, and at that point I
Speaker 4: beaten other zeldagains. It's like, you know what this series
Speaker 4: would be, this would be something they would do, Like
Speaker 4: I give them the benefit of the doubt. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they would do this, let's see if it works. And
Speaker 4: then it worked, and I still think it's one of
Speaker 4: the coolest puzzles they've ever done.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair actually, But yeah, Charles, I mean,
Speaker 3: you're I know, we I'm sorry, we bring this up
Speaker 3: all the time. I'm sorry, but you are the youngest
Speaker 3: among us, so I am curious what your sort of
Speaker 3: trajectory with zeld is. For sure, you know it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a little different from Mars in Bed.
Speaker 5: It is, but it's it's it's weird because I Zelda
Speaker 5: is the first game series that I remember, and I
Speaker 5: have no idea what it was about it. Maybe I
Speaker 5: just really liked Lincoln Smash Bros. But I remember being like, gosh,
Speaker 5: those games look so cool. I want to play them
Speaker 5: so bad, Like I remember yearning for them, and specifically, uh,
Speaker 5: Okerina of Time I played on the Wii virtual console
Speaker 5: because I I guess I had somehow found some stuff
Speaker 5: online where people were like, well, this is the greatest
Speaker 5: game of all time, Like the greatest game of all time.
Speaker 5: Everyone's got to be right about that. That's so cool,
Speaker 5: and you could just.
Speaker 3: Open up it's wrong.
Speaker 5: You could just open up the Wii Shop channel if
Speaker 5: you had no money or no no virtual credit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the greatest game, the best game ever.
Speaker 5: And then there's like Smash Bros. Brawl had like weird
Speaker 5: demos for games, so like you could play the first
Speaker 5: few minutes of Okarina of Time.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I.
Speaker 3: Had like ways where I'm sorry, I don't want to
Speaker 3: cut you up, Like is that was that your like
Speaker 3: early Okaarina experience was like the Brawl demo, Yes, you
Speaker 3: play it absolutely cool.
Speaker 5: I played that before anything else, uh, And I just
Speaker 5: remember going through all the steps of like one birthday
Speaker 5: I finally got a Classic Controller, and then the next
Speaker 5: birthday or maybe for Christmas, I finally got like the
Speaker 5: Wei Shop Channel Point, and I was like, I can
Speaker 5: finally play what I called Ocarnea of Time because I
Speaker 5: had never seen spoken out loud before. So even though
Speaker 5: it is like an old game, it's definitely the oldest
Speaker 5: game I have like specific nostalgia for. But then also,
Speaker 5: Phantom Hourglass came out in like O seven or something,
Speaker 5: and I had a DS before I had a WI,
Speaker 5: and I don't know when I played it, but I
Speaker 5: have just memories of my friend had Phantom our Glass
Speaker 5: and maybe I had New Super Mario Bros. And we
Speaker 5: like traded cartridges one time, and now remember being like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is so this is so much cooler than New
Speaker 5: Super Mario Bros. And then the thing too of like
Speaker 5: a lot of my I think I come from a
Speaker 5: very specific generations where like, uh, stylist controls and most
Speaker 5: controls to me, people are like, oh, these are like
Speaker 5: so obtuse, and they make the games so annoying. They're
Speaker 5: so unecessary. I'm like, that's how you play games. It's
Speaker 5: the WE and the DS, it's the stylist and the
Speaker 5: most controls. Yeah, heavy attacks. All the license games on
Speaker 5: the Wei would make heavy attacks shaking the WE remote
Speaker 5: and I'm like, that's just one of the buttons, and
Speaker 5: you just got to get used to that. Everyone that
Speaker 5: says they don't like it, it's kind of a skill issue.
Speaker 4: Wow, like you old cry babies exactly.
Speaker 5: So I was like, people would complain about the touch
Speaker 5: controls and Phantom irowglass and I'm like, you're being a
Speaker 5: little dramatic. It's it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 5: You can touch the screen a few times. Interesting, It's
Speaker 5: it's nice to have a unique angle on Zelda, right.
Speaker 5: But but then but then you do play link between
Speaker 5: worlds and you're like, oh boy, it's nice to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and yeah.
Speaker 5: As the years have gone on, definitely not my favorite
Speaker 5: all games. I have a lot more nostalgia for. I
Speaker 5: think I owned Spirit tracks, but I never owned Phano
Speaker 5: myiaglass until much later. The other thing I want to
Speaker 5: say is like, musically, Zelda was very impactful for me,
Speaker 5: not just in the sense of like it's music that
Speaker 5: I liked, but like I was very much like a
Speaker 5: band kid growing up and would like learn to play
Speaker 5: songs on trombone or on piano of just like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is like the the the Agarina songs from Accrea
Speaker 5: of Time are really good because like it's just like
Speaker 5: three notes, so the bar for success is very low.
Speaker 5: And that's one of the things of like learning an
Speaker 5: instrument that I think is hard when people will just
Speaker 5: go out of a book. It's like, and here's how
Speaker 5: you play hot Cross Buns and hot Cross Buns is
Speaker 5: a boring song and you don't really feel satisfied to
Speaker 5: do it successfully. But if you know, like the song
Speaker 5: of Storms, you can play that even though it's like
Speaker 5: six notes, when three of them are the same, repeat
Speaker 5: it over and over again, you feel like you've accomplished
Speaker 5: something from just like playing it's like, oh, wow, awesome,
Speaker 5: I'm good at music. And that going on to like
Speaker 5: just YouTube compilation videos of like I would, I would.
Speaker 5: I still do this. Sometimes I'll just look up best
Speaker 5: Zelda music. It'll be like a three hour video and
Speaker 5: I'll have it minimized and playing in my headphones, and
Speaker 5: as soon as the song starts. I have to tell
Speaker 5: myself what game it's from and what the title of
Speaker 5: the track is. So one of my favorite songs is
Speaker 5: Crimson loft Wing from Skyward Sword, and it's like a
Speaker 5: duet between a flute and a French horn. But I
Speaker 5: would like to pretend it was a trombone because I
Speaker 5: don't have horn. But yeah, I it's it's very I
Speaker 5: also have I have multiple acrenas that I have played
Speaker 5: before just for fun. I just think it's a good
Speaker 5: I like it as a musical staple.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a nice It's just like a nice, little, pleasant,
Speaker 3: small instrument, right, because usually in struments are like as
Speaker 3: a drummer, that's always been my like my burden is
Speaker 3: like I can't I can't just be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: I want to play a little drums. It's like no, no,
Speaker 3: I have to like sit down and like spread my
Speaker 3: arms out, you know.
Speaker 5: Next maybe the next other game link I'll have a
Speaker 5: wood block and you like, yeah, the woodblock representation.
Speaker 4: The little drummer kit that you wear litt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, hey, I mean when in Medora's Mask and
Speaker 3: that when you're when you're a gore on he pulls
Speaker 3: out the drums, and that was always my favorite. Like
Speaker 3: I would I would actually like pull a songs on there. Right.
Speaker 3: So it's funny to say songs when you're a drummer
Speaker 3: because percussion is like different. But it's like, yeah this, hey,
Speaker 3: this is the beat from that song. People be like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: I trust you on this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. We did a whole super replay on it. That
Speaker 4: was the last three D's Elda. I'd never played.
Speaker 3: It was the you and I Kyle did yeah, and
Speaker 3: so yeah, so you can watch and then you put
Speaker 3: the last episodes over on mid Max, right because of
Speaker 3: the weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is linked on our page. I didn't link
Speaker 4: it relay page. Hell yeah.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: There's actually several three D's Elder games I have not played.
Speaker 1: I've never played wind Waker, which I know is like
Speaker 1: that's a great one. I really want to play it
Speaker 1: really bad.
Speaker 2: Uh. And then I've never played Skyward Sword.
Speaker 5: Both are on Switch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I did buy the Skyward Sword, like
Speaker 1: the re release.
Speaker 3: It's a good way to play Skyward Sword. I like Charles.
Speaker 3: I actually will go to go to bat. I will
Speaker 3: go to we Remote Swing for most controls to a degree,
Speaker 3: and Skyward Sword is built around them, right, it is
Speaker 3: with that in mind, and I think it is is
Speaker 3: a fun experience to play with motion controls. But like
Speaker 3: the switch port of Skyward Sword, which gives you the
Speaker 3: option you can do it either way. Totally great way
Speaker 3: to play that game. You know. I replayed it when
Speaker 3: it came out without the motion controls and had a
Speaker 3: good time.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask, Alex, are you are you holding
Speaker 4: out for Nintendo to bring win Wake or HD proper
Speaker 4: to Switch because you can't play it on Switch. But
Speaker 4: it's the GameCube version via the virtual or the Nintendo
Speaker 4: Switch online expansions. Yeah, and the HD version is the
Speaker 4: like holy superior version.
Speaker 3: Or that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do have a we You and I took one
Speaker 1: when g I was shutting down. I was like, we've
Speaker 1: got like ten of these in the office.
Speaker 2: I would like a wee You game.
Speaker 3: You cannot go on the store for we You anymore? Right,
Speaker 3: it is totally not OK because I.
Speaker 1: Was unfortunately I found that the games are pretty expensive too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I because I I bought I I kind
Speaker 3: of like did a run before the store was down
Speaker 3: because it's like you can Phantom Hourglass and like Spirit
Speaker 3: trucks are are you can buy them for the WIU
Speaker 3: and play them on the WU because you can use
Speaker 3: the WEU game pad as a touch screen and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And I was like, I was kind of
Speaker 3: like this is this isn't this is gonna be like
Speaker 3: the only way to play these games this way on
Speaker 3: a TV at a certain point. So like, so, yeah,
Speaker 3: I have like I I made sure to have like
Speaker 3: Phantom Hourglass on my WIU that I'll just always keep
Speaker 3: in a cabinet that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, But so I haven't played that.
Speaker 1: I didn't play Covered Sword. You know what I really
Speaker 1: love it we haven't talked about is the links Awakening
Speaker 1: remake is Yeah, probably like one of my favorite Zelda games.
Speaker 1: I think the art direction is just ridiculous and really
Speaker 1: brings me back to how I felt playing early Zelda games.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I've played links Awakening before,
Speaker 1: but not like this, And it was one of those
Speaker 1: I remember when that trailer first came out for the
Speaker 1: remake with the toy like you know, art style, just
Speaker 1: really being struck with like this wonder It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like this is a game that we've had access to
Speaker 1: for ages, but like there's just something about the way
Speaker 1: that they have rendered it that it feels like wholly
Speaker 1: new in a way and kind of brings me back.
Speaker 1: And I really enjoyed that that that remix. I think
Speaker 1: it was just really really well done, and I would
Speaker 1: consider it like one of my favorite Zelda games.
Speaker 4: It's a great game. Like I I had gone going
Speaker 4: back to like that being my first Zelda and almost
Speaker 4: and like hating it at the time, Like I rectify
Speaker 4: that with links Awakening DS, Like I played that on
Speaker 4: the DS or three DS and beat it, so I'll
Speaker 4: always have like a like a special SAFT spot for
Speaker 4: that game of like this is technically my first Zelda
Speaker 4: and I remember just like going from hating this game
Speaker 4: to like playing other Zelda games, loving them them, going
Speaker 4: back to links Awaken and being able to appreciate what
Speaker 4: it was doing and playing that remake and what they
Speaker 4: did so it especially like adding the d X like
Speaker 4: dungeon and contents. Yeah, like and I love that our
Speaker 4: stat too, like especially one of the few ambos I
Speaker 4: have is links Awakening. Yeah, I was like, this is
Speaker 4: like he's like perfect for like he's already a little toy.
Speaker 4: What you guys think of Kyle. I know your thoughts
Speaker 4: because you reviewed it. But what did you guys think
Speaker 4: of Echoes of Wisdom, which is like the first I guess,
Speaker 4: like proper Zelda, like technically not the first Zelda game
Speaker 4: where you can play a Zelda for talking about the
Speaker 4: CDI games, which we're not in this conversation, we're not.
Speaker 5: So we're actually not celebrating all of zeld this history.
Speaker 4: Quick.
Speaker 3: I tracked on the producer of those games many years ago,
Speaker 3: and there's a big feature on Game and formher. It's
Speaker 3: like if you google like Game Informer, Phillips CDI Zelda games.
Speaker 3: One of the proudest features I've ever done for Game
Speaker 3: and Former in my all my time here was tracking
Speaker 3: that guy down and talking to him about how those
Speaker 3: games came together. So seek that out. Yeah you threatened them, right,
Speaker 3: what's you threatened him? I threatened him, that's right, talk
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: By Echoes of Wisdom.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the first few hours of and then
Speaker 1: it started to kind of dwindle for me because my felling,
Speaker 1: my strategies weren't changing all that much.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I remember being stuck in a boss fight in the
Speaker 1: sand area and it's a boss that flies around and
Speaker 1: I only had I was spawning archers, but they would
Speaker 1: only be able to fire like one arrow before they
Speaker 1: because I had run out of everything else. And I
Speaker 1: would spawn an archer, they'd fire an arrow and hit
Speaker 1: the flying enemy, and then they would get killed, and
Speaker 1: then I would do it again. That boss fight literally
Speaker 1: took me, no exaggeration, fifteen minutes to beat because I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm surviving, but I don't.
Speaker 2: This is my only option and that I have, I think,
Speaker 2: and it's taking forever.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know why you didn't do what
Speaker 4: I did and just stack a bunch of beds and
Speaker 4: then get up higher and then just shoot it. Oh
Speaker 4: that's the answer to everything that game. Just stack a
Speaker 4: bunch of beds and it'll probably fix something.
Speaker 1: I didn't stack a lot of beds because I felt
Speaker 1: like it was cheap, and I'm I was at the time, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: not not actually, but at the time I remember, I
Speaker 1: was like everyone else is just stacking beds, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it another way eventually. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think I stacked a lot of trees, like planted trees,
Speaker 1: potted plants if I remember correctly. But yeah, that game
Speaker 1: had a lot of interesting ideas. It just it didn't
Speaker 1: hold me. I didn't end up beating that because I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I think I'm.
Speaker 2: I'm a little over this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I liked it. I finished it, but yeah, it
Speaker 4: gets to a point where it felt like I was
Speaker 4: solving certain things the same way, Like even though I
Speaker 4: have all these options, it's like, well, these five still work,
Speaker 4: Like these beds still get the job done. So like
Speaker 4: even though I can stack multiple things, I don't really
Speaker 4: have enough incentive.
Speaker 1: To like if it's not broken kind of yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I needed some more limitations with that stuff to like,
Speaker 1: for I.
Speaker 5: Was going to say that, yeah, if they like limited
Speaker 5: in certain areas to you said to get new.
Speaker 2: Ones here and you can't place beds, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like being able to like just walk, Like I
Speaker 4: got to kick of being able to walk over the
Speaker 4: tree tops and which would normally be like hard borders
Speaker 4: in a top down Zelda, and just like I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go to this area that I I don't think I'm
Speaker 4: supposed to be in now, but I can just stack
Speaker 4: enough things, walk over the trees and get to this
Speaker 4: new area, and I kind of like that. It's kind
Speaker 4: of had a breath of a wild style, like breaking
Speaker 4: the game kind of stuff. But I don't know when
Speaker 4: Echoes of Wisdom is interesting because that game came out
Speaker 4: when we were shut down, so it's like we weren't
Speaker 4: really around to like talk about it. So like outside
Speaker 4: of Kyle's retrospective review, I've never really gotten a sense,
Speaker 4: like as a staff, where we stood on that game.
Speaker 1: It was cool, ideas execution middling, I think, But I
Speaker 1: know Carl Charles not Carl Charles.
Speaker 2: Does need to get out of here, don't you, Charles?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I want to close real quick. Was just saying,
Speaker 5: I also have this made this stained glass heart container
Speaker 5: that's just as another example of Cool's elder stuff.
Speaker 3: That's specifically the Twilight Princess heart, right or is it?
Speaker 5: H I don't think. I think she she made this
Speaker 5: design herself. Just looking at a few looks great. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 5: I do have to get out of here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that's going to kind of wind
Speaker 1: down the show for us. Let us know in the
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Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for chatting.
Speaker 2: Today is a good episode. All right. We'll see you
Speaker 2: all next week. Have a good week. Goodbye.