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Speaker 1: This week on the Flagship, Bruce Mitchell guest hosted for
Speaker 1: me with Pro Wrestling dot Nets. Jason Powell and discussion
Speaker 1: with live callers raw from the night before, including Stephanie
Speaker 1: McMahon introducing three NXT women, John Cena's odd behavior in
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Speaker 1: today's Way Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast ten years ago Flakeship
Speaker 1: Flashback for Sunday, July thirteenth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: That's the Kids on Bridges on the Tuesday after Raw
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Speaker 6: So six four six.
Speaker 5: Sixty four six seven one eight two eight, and we're
Speaker 5: looking here. Of course, last night the return of rock
Speaker 5: Lesner again coming into Battleground normally which is normally was
Speaker 5: considered a b Sunday night show, but rock Lesner getting
Speaker 5: his rematch, returning to seth Rawlins, who is now taking
Speaker 5: out both members of James j Security and taking out
Speaker 5: Cane leaving you would seek seth Rawlins all alone to
Speaker 5: defend the WB title. Whether that means that or not.
Speaker 5: We don't know, but we shall. We shall find out,
Speaker 5: and if that doesn't work, we'll be talking, of course
Speaker 5: also of something of an NXC invasion, even though it
Speaker 5: was more of a step. McMahon is going to stand
Speaker 5: up for women everywhere and join the women's athletic movement.
Speaker 5: You know, I'd have to say, Serena Williams has kind
Speaker 5: of has crept a little bit ahead of the rappey anyways,
Speaker 5: winning Wilmington and looks to be on you know, and
Speaker 5: won the Serena Slam that looks to be on course
Speaker 5: to gain another Grand Slam. And the women's soccer team,
Speaker 5: who's the first time it's nineteen ninety nine, won the
Speaker 5: you know, won the World Championship, won the World Cup
Speaker 5: against jet against Japan and got some folks there. So anyway,
Speaker 5: let's see there anyway, all right, if you're up six
Speaker 5: four six h take you any worry for a question
Speaker 5: or comment? Fine Nel Nelson from Bronx, New York. Yes, sir,
Speaker 5: all right, I just I'm sorry that I that.
Speaker 7: Wad's not on the phone, because I would have wanted
Speaker 7: to congratulate and call him miss the Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7: But it's even better speaking to you, Bruce, because every
Speaker 7: time I listen to your show with Wait, Waite always
Speaker 7: picks on you and uh, you know, and always want
Speaker 7: to tell Wait, you know, take it easy on Bruce.
Speaker 5: You know, I certainly appreciate that. I'm we're worried. But
Speaker 5: now that now that he's in the National Wrestling Hall
Speaker 5: of Fame with all the restlings, you know, the great
Speaker 5: inductees this year and throughout these classes for about seventeen years,
Speaker 5: that you can be even meanier to me. So I
Speaker 5: appreciate that I should bounce that out a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It kind of hard for me to speak up for myself.
Speaker 5: So it's great when Paula's do that. But yeah, well
Speaker 5: you'll be back, no problem, you so follow it. But
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. What So what's your big of her
Speaker 5: all last night? What's your what's your.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm I'm, I know, I'm preaching to the choir,
Speaker 7: but that Raw should be two hours show because it's
Speaker 7: I watched it live and it's really hard to watch
Speaker 7: the show for three hours straights. But I have to say,
Speaker 7: over the last two weeks, particularly.
Speaker 5: Last night, Roll was really intriguing.
Speaker 7: I thought it was a great It was a not
Speaker 7: a great show, but it was very good.
Speaker 6: But I have a question about I have two.
Speaker 7: Questions, but I want to give you one questions First
Speaker 7: about Czarrow and I think that he had the two
Speaker 7: back to back matches with John Tina last week and
Speaker 7: the week before, and I think a lot of people
Speaker 7: said the first match was better than last week. Do
Speaker 7: you see that that Vince and Triple H watching on
Speaker 7: the monitor together, that Vince McMahon must have been so
Speaker 7: impressed with Cizarrow that maybe Triple H told Vince like
Speaker 7: as a joke for being sarcastic, saying not bad for
Speaker 7: a man who is with.
Speaker 5: What do you what do you think about that? Bruce?
Speaker 7: And I have another question after that.
Speaker 5: Okay, you know, I you know I think that I
Speaker 5: don't think the Bizarrow. You know, there were some blown spots,
Speaker 5: there was there were some things in that match last week,
Speaker 5: that thirty minute match that were quite right, but there
Speaker 5: was a real energy to the match and crowd with it.
Speaker 5: To a Bizarrow really commanded the raincow get part up.
Speaker 5: Good part the show that he helps make John Cena
Speaker 5: look strong and he helps himself with and looked strong.
Speaker 5: I mean, I thought in the hole it was, you know,
Speaker 5: it was another good boot for Czara and they put
Speaker 5: him in a speech of match now this week, but
Speaker 5: they had him lose. So I don't know whether he's
Speaker 5: being elevated or he's being put in that slot which
Speaker 5: would be in elevation from the tagking slot. He's putting
Speaker 5: in that spot that dalfh Zigglers had for several years,
Speaker 5: which is you're out there, and David Bryn had it
Speaker 5: some too, but he, you know, he became a star
Speaker 5: where you're there to provide action. You're there to you know,
Speaker 5: have to have good ringability, but in the end you're
Speaker 5: there to put over more important acts or you know,
Speaker 5: you're a carpenter to build a house for somebody else.
Speaker 5: I think that was that was some of what we
Speaker 5: saw there. So you know, I don't know. As Tom
Speaker 5: moves on, I think we'll have some left. Jason, what
Speaker 5: do you think did you joined the text? Uh?
Speaker 4: Give me the question again. I kind of was trying
Speaker 4: to make sure. I guess everything was set up right
Speaker 4: here basically the the Cizarro push, but what was the.
Speaker 5: G just to where does stand after the three right
Speaker 5: match last night?
Speaker 4: I think he's okay, even though he's lost two matches
Speaker 4: in a row. They were both long, competitive matches, and
Speaker 4: I think in times like this you kind of listen
Speaker 4: to the broadcast team to hear what they're saying, and
Speaker 4: they're just raving about the guy. And I do think
Speaker 4: that whatever they're doing with him right now is ultimately
Speaker 4: going to lead to him being in a better place.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he already is in a better place,
Speaker 4: but I do think they have plans for him.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems like he's progressing. I mean, make it.
Speaker 5: You know, there are sounds like I said where I
Speaker 5: mean just being that being the in the single guy
Speaker 5: who's put in the mix and it's there to make
Speaker 5: everybody else look good and then you have you have
Speaker 5: a great effort and then the end you lose. That's
Speaker 5: that's the spot that's better than attacking championship spot and
Speaker 5: it can lead to more. So I don't know whether
Speaker 5: that's where it's because it's just kind of but the
Speaker 5: fact that they put it in a key spot on
Speaker 5: the television show three weeks in a row, I think
Speaker 5: it's pretty important. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't
Speaker 5: think he's figured in under the entity on Sunday not
Speaker 5: shut so fall he is not.
Speaker 4: No, there's a I don't believe Russe is either. I
Speaker 4: mean maybe they do set something up on SmackDown between
Speaker 4: those two. I'm not sure where that's going.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I sun it, so we'll see. So caller, what
Speaker 5: else do you have for us?
Speaker 6: Well, this is my last, my last question.
Speaker 7: Then I have a comment after that. I listened to
Speaker 7: a lot of the Pro Wrestling, the Pro p W
Speaker 7: Torch Classic audios from the early nineties, and you know,
Speaker 7: you are a lot of females calling in the show
Speaker 7: and kids, and you know you don't see that today
Speaker 7: on like the audio shows, and I was just wondering,
Speaker 7: how come there's no if the females don't call the
Speaker 7: shows anymore. And my comment is, Jason, like, I love
Speaker 7: the pro wrestling got met, especially when you make those
Speaker 7: witty comments on the Raw review audio shows. But I
Speaker 7: missed hearing the Raw live audio show, especially hearing rabbits.
Speaker 7: I mean, I need my rabbit sticks rabbit It's hysterical
Speaker 7: and uh. And Bruce said. I just want to say, Bruce,
Speaker 7: I love your audio shows with with Wade and all
Speaker 7: that stuff. And I tell people that, you know, if
Speaker 7: you want to get an education on the history of
Speaker 7: professional wrestling from the n W, a w c W,
Speaker 7: Smoking Mount Wrestling, et cetera, I always say, you've got
Speaker 7: to try to Bruce Mitchell audio show. And it's great.
Speaker 7: But thank you, gentlemen, and I hope you have a
Speaker 7: good evening and a great show to you guys.
Speaker 5: Well, I really appreciate this con words. I mean, Jason,
Speaker 5: you know you have you have a direct line to
Speaker 5: all the women that are pro wrestling fans, but maybe
Speaker 5: just better than I can. But I you know, I
Speaker 5: think when you're listening to the audios from the early nineties,
Speaker 5: you should probably listening to Wade on you know, you're
Speaker 5: listening to Wade on k Fans, which he's He was
Speaker 5: doing it on the air the k Fans, a major
Speaker 5: station in Minneapolis, So Wade was over the air wrestling
Speaker 5: radio shows before the days of the internet. And you're
Speaker 5: liable to get a more general from an autisticularly in
Speaker 5: a big market. But like he did, I did. Uh,
Speaker 5: it's the same thing. And here in Greensboro, a smaller
Speaker 5: market town, we didn't get as many. We don't as
Speaker 5: many women. We got some from time to time, but
Speaker 5: we got a very eclectic mix of callus.
Speaker 3: Over the years.
Speaker 5: And it's different when you know, it's different than someone
Speaker 5: going up on the internet and finding their specialty show,
Speaker 5: because you get you get people who listening to the
Speaker 5: station all the day long, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: we're listening to a pro wrestling show and it might
Speaker 5: pick their interest in they may call.
Speaker 4: So, yeah's women out there. I mean, I know, you
Speaker 4: get a call. I can't remember their names off the
Speaker 4: top of my head, but you get a call. You
Speaker 4: get calls occasionally from the husband and wife duo, and uh,
Speaker 4: we've certainly had women call this show before I mean
Speaker 4: it's I think you just kind of look at the
Speaker 4: breakdown of the fans, skewing obviously more male, and who knows,
Speaker 4: maybe this NXT trio that was brought up last night,
Speaker 4: maybe you know, a year from now we're like raving about, Wow,
Speaker 4: look at all the women this brought in.
Speaker 5: Well, that should be the goal. I mean, Ronda Ralsey
Speaker 5: brought in a woman's audience to to usc and really,
Speaker 5: you know, substantially grew their audience because men follow women
Speaker 5: and there's real money when you hear you know, if
Speaker 5: they can establish The other one is that if they
Speaker 5: can establish him, not he's not there yet and maybe
Speaker 5: he doesn't get there, and maybe he does. But Roman reigns.
Speaker 5: I mean that's what Roman Roman rains is supposed to
Speaker 5: be the you know, the matt naof of the you know,
Speaker 5: the good looking movie star and women like a lot.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure you had this experience. I mean, I've
Speaker 5: certainly had women's pans. Tell me, you know, the lion
Speaker 5: John Cen is my boyfriend. Like, they love John Cena.
Speaker 5: They're not paying that much attention to what's going on
Speaker 5: else on the show, but they love John Cena and
Speaker 5: and you know as he as he as at ages,
Speaker 5: he doesn't age that much, but you know he's spoken
Speaker 5: with the guy. But that's where you know, over the
Speaker 5: years carry Van Eric and the Rock and you know
Speaker 5: Austen had some of that. But when you hear you know,
Speaker 5: Ricky Morton the way back in the day, when you
Speaker 5: hear those you know further back with Stiva, when you
Speaker 5: hear that screaming, you know, the women screaming and yelling
Speaker 5: for the guy that they really like and they're really
Speaker 5: attracted to it. There's money in that because you know,
Speaker 5: there's the foundation of rusty fans and then there's U
Speaker 5: and then there's that sort of thing. So if that
Speaker 5: gets over and as you said, if they're able to,
Speaker 5: if w is able to start a new as they
Speaker 5: try to as they as they said they did last night,
Speaker 5: start a new error and the Diva's division and draw
Speaker 5: some of that athletic, badass women you know who look
Speaker 5: good but they're that they're out there too, you know,
Speaker 5: they're out and the stand whistling where it's to stand
Speaker 5: with Robert Ralph, stand with the woman's women's soccer team
Speaker 5: is uh and stand with you know, Stephan McMahon that's
Speaker 5: you know, that's what that's there, that's what you're trying
Speaker 5: to do. So I'm gonna Jason, we got you. I'm
Speaker 5: want to start with Jason talk about for a Wrestling
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Speaker 5: You know, I mean, I had a great week last
Speaker 5: week going to the National Wrestling with George Traders Lucas
Speaker 5: Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame. As part of that including
Speaker 5: standing there waiting for Kurt Angle to walk in, you know,
Speaker 5: in a nice suit to get his ring and and
Speaker 5: then standing and looking to the side. I told the
Speaker 5: story on the v I P side for Wrestling p
Speaker 5: w Porch dot Com Squash go to v I T
Speaker 5: but standing in the museum and current Angles coming across
Speaker 5: away from going to the the Professional Wrestling Hall to
Speaker 5: make make his speech, and there's a man standing there
Speaker 5: in the baseball cap and I looked over and then
Speaker 5: thinking make something familiar about him, and then it hits
Speaker 5: me exactly who it's Dan Gable, the greatest American amateur wrestler,
Speaker 5: the gold medalists, champion, great coach at Iowa State and
Speaker 5: as I when I was a teenager, I mean, one
Speaker 5: of the great American sports socks. And in that part
Speaker 5: of the country, you know, that part of the country,
Speaker 5: in ioland particularly, I don't think there's a bigger there's
Speaker 5: a bigger cultural sports hero than Dan Gable and the
Speaker 5: Stunned And then got to talk to them, and you know,
Speaker 5: that was really cool. But my one I had one
Speaker 5: regret last week and you know, instead of being instead
Speaker 5: of you flying go to the beach in New Jersey's
Speaker 5: gonna be Robbie, you that I missed you. I mean,
Speaker 5: you're working hard once day. It's not a good time
Speaker 5: to coming. I was over going to learn that. That's
Speaker 5: quite the ballpark, the Clinton, the Flints Park. It's really
Speaker 5: cool that one. You know, it would have been nice
Speaker 5: to have a call with you, James.
Speaker 4: It would have been fun maybe. And the Twins are
Speaker 4: playing great baseball right now. I was gonna watch that
Speaker 4: game all I worked, and unfortunately it was blacked out here.
Speaker 4: It was like one of those rare you know, it's
Speaker 4: like you can see about one hundred and fifty games
Speaker 4: on television, and that just happened to be one I
Speaker 4: couldn't watch. So I was jealous, very jealous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that, you know, it was it was
Speaker 5: really cool. I mean that it was one of those games.
Speaker 5: First four or five an nobody scores, then the O's
Speaker 5: go ahead, and two home runs later the Clints are
Speaker 5: back in there. But I mean, just beautiful park, right,
Speaker 5: so I don't think there's a fast seat in that place.
Speaker 5: I mean, it really reminded me. I go to bore obviously,
Speaker 5: I'm from you know, small town of America and rule leagues,
Speaker 5: and so I go to more minor league ballparks. Those
Speaker 5: ballparks are great. I mean they're they're beautiful, and you know,
Speaker 5: you sit there and it's more of a party than
Speaker 5: than people will paying attention to the game. But had
Speaker 5: that atmosphere, but in the Major League baseball atmosphere, and
Speaker 5: somaally didn't help it. The Twins are good. That was
Speaker 5: that was cool. And then to go over to the
Speaker 5: Cimeral scrimmage and and sit there and seek tie my
Speaker 5: man Tis Jones was just clutching people and ludos in
Speaker 5: the National Championship that was. That was quite the best.
Speaker 4: So the next time you come to town, we'll get
Speaker 4: you to a wild practice instead.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was great. And and also get my
Speaker 5: picture taking it to Mary Tyler Moore, at least the
Speaker 5: Mary Tyler Moore statue, because I honestly think that show
Speaker 5: was I don't know, the top two or three best
Speaker 5: television shows. Amazing show that back in it today. All right,
Speaker 5: all right, let's let's Oh and we should congratulate you
Speaker 5: should congratulate Way for his induction in the pro Rustling
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: And yes, he talked about you, Jason, all sorts of
Speaker 4: horrible things, they imagine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for the most part, possibly particularly on how you
Speaker 5: carried him during the money my warrior.
Speaker 4: I'm guessing. I'm guessing the words thank you for this honor,
Speaker 4: despite the fact that I had Jason writing for the
Speaker 4: Torch at one time where we're mentioned.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, he wouldn't have done that because I was
Speaker 5: glaring at him the entire time. I told him I
Speaker 5: was there for the three minutes of her bottles that
Speaker 5: we sat it, we sat at the table. I mean
Speaker 5: you can't get I mean, honestly, you can't get more
Speaker 5: of a store through this Charlie, the widow of Luther
Speaker 5: Tom Trego's, the son of the son of George Tregos
Speaker 5: who trained Luthas, and then the daughter and the grandson
Speaker 5: of Jim Law arguably and argue with the biggest the
Speaker 5: biggest wrestling star in history, I mean in the United States.
Speaker 5: I mean he was if you can imagine a wrestler
Speaker 5: and someone stiff, Steve Austen was the biggest one in
Speaker 5: my lifetime, you know, culturally across everything that he didn't
Speaker 5: approach Jim Longs. Jim Longdis was like Lebron James Is,
Speaker 5: you know, one of those figures where everybody in America
Speaker 5: knew who he was.
Speaker 7: I mean he was.
Speaker 5: He was actually one of the first of the you know,
Speaker 5: the national sports stars. And as Jim Ross said, you
Speaker 5: know this huge draw in the depression safe they wouldn't there.
Speaker 5: I think you can definitely argue there wouldn't have benefit
Speaker 5: wrestling at this guy in the depression where nobody had
Speaker 5: Jim Wassa, that nobody had two Nicholson to rub together.
Speaker 5: They needed to buy food, and they had to buy
Speaker 5: food left and there, and they're going to see Lombes
Speaker 5: and record nunks and so you know, to see his
Speaker 5: daughter and his daughter you know, she the stories and
Speaker 5: had the pictures and all that. See how you know
Speaker 5: how toush you was there for this hall of fame
Speaker 5: for the people in it, to pay tribute to a father.
Speaker 5: It's just you know, for members.
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Speaker 4: All right, real quickly, as you're leaving out the best part,
Speaker 4: because I did keep up on the weekend through Wade's
Speaker 4: social media pages and then listening to your guys' audio,
Speaker 4: and I think my favorite part of all of this
Speaker 4: is that you were scolded by Jim Ross.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh god, yeah, that was great. I mean,
Speaker 5: like we're sitting there, oh well, there's two one story
Speaker 5: we haven't told yet. There's two stories. And you know,
Speaker 5: Ross is Ross. I mean, he's I think that the
Speaker 5: fact that it may sound awful, but I think the
Speaker 5: fact that the faith is parallels really and he's not
Speaker 5: smiling when he's joking, really lends and stuff to it
Speaker 5: since he because he will just you know, he will
Speaker 5: say something and really you know, and really downplay and
Speaker 5: really say it in a real straight way, and it's
Speaker 5: funny as hell. But he you know, we're sitting there
Speaker 5: and he he caught the two of us on our
Speaker 5: phones right as the thing was starting, right, you know,
Speaker 5: sitting there screwing around on our phones looking at nothing,
Speaker 5: and you know, and you know, curse at us and said,
Speaker 5: you know, saything. Thank you know, get off your phone,
Speaker 5: and the world's going by, you know, what you want
Speaker 5: and all that stuff, and we're just like sitting there
Speaker 5: laughing and they're going, you know, as Wade said, here's
Speaker 5: this guy's on Twitter twenty four hours a day graping
Speaker 5: about something, you know, somebody trolling them. I'm not on Twitter.
Speaker 5: And one of the reasons I'm not on Twitter, I'm
Speaker 5: bad enough on my phone and did so It's like
Speaker 5: I have to see myself being that much more addicted.
Speaker 5: Then if you saw the picture of Ross and I
Speaker 5: together the Wade put off, and I think you can
Speaker 5: find it on the Torch vip star too. We're standing
Speaker 5: in line talking. Way just go Way just runs up
Speaker 5: interrupt and rots and are standing line talking and he
Speaker 5: goes pose and act like you're talking to each other.
Speaker 5: So I looked at Ross and I said, all right,
Speaker 5: act like you're talking to him. And Ross said something
Speaker 5: back to me, and he was talking to me, but
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say what he said because the show.
Speaker 5: So that picture is me getting up blooded by Ross.
Speaker 5: So that was funny too. Ross was really good.
Speaker 4: I mean well and best wishers.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 4: He underwent some type of surgery this morning, and you know,
Speaker 4: a plan surgery, and he said it would He described
Speaker 4: it as minor in his blog. He didn't specify, but
Speaker 4: I've been keeping an eye on his Twitter page and
Speaker 4: it looks like he's tweeting again. He didn't acknowledge the
Speaker 4: surgery yet, but obviously if he's up and if he's tweeting,
Speaker 4: then he's uh, he's feeling better. So best of luck
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, Kurt angle to give you
Speaker 5: an idea. I mean, Kurt Angle came two days after
Speaker 5: this because I just spat, it's just the Danka and
Speaker 5: the speciftect it. But respected that a lot of these
Speaker 5: veterans half of this, half of this museum, and it's
Speaker 5: it's something, you know, I said this a lot, but
Speaker 5: there's something where you're sitting there going, Okay, I've seen
Speaker 5: everything in the museum, and then you look again, and
Speaker 5: you look again, and you look again, and there's all
Speaker 5: these little details, all these things that are there. But Ross,
Speaker 5: you know, Ross came on his own dock. You know,
Speaker 5: he was for the most part, and you know, and
Speaker 5: it's time too, and he was coming into so he's tremendous.
Speaker 5: He's funny as hell and attenuated. And really, if you
Speaker 5: tell the guy really did a great job at the
Speaker 5: MC of that it was you know, and you know,
Speaker 5: I was just kind of sitting there waiting for him
Speaker 5: the riftway that he never did a kind of let's move.
Speaker 5: Just let's move to some questions if you want to
Speaker 5: ask you and then they'll get it. We'll get to
Speaker 5: the college. Because a bunch of them sities. So what
Speaker 5: happens Sunday between seth Rollins and Brock lost. Was rock
Speaker 5: Lester just flat out kickers ask and win the final
Speaker 5: and then he's w championed again, which is what I
Speaker 5: think what they want. They wanted you to think. They
Speaker 5: kept going back and forth like they couldn't but they
Speaker 5: couldn't put one or the other really in that position.
Speaker 5: Does Seth Rollins somehow come out of this with a
Speaker 5: win over Brock Lesner? Is it a disputed finished where
Speaker 5: they have to come back to a rematch as SummerSlam?
Speaker 5: Or is there somebody else that gets into the picture
Speaker 5: and rock Lester goes off against them and Seth Rollins
Speaker 5: Lessel somebody else SummerSlam? Or do we have disputed finish
Speaker 5: and there's a rematch of this.
Speaker 4: I don't feel confident at all in this, and I
Speaker 4: like that. I like going into the show as blunt
Speaker 4: as they were being last night, with Paul Hayman just
Speaker 4: telling you basically, you know, pay money to watch him
Speaker 4: get his ass handed to him and see a title change.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's how they were positioning it. And I
Speaker 4: thought that was the best thing they could have done
Speaker 4: on the go home show because it'd kind of gone
Speaker 4: back and forth. Is Seth legit is he intimidated by Brock,
Speaker 4: Which is it? And so they did a really good
Speaker 4: job with that, and I just think it's too simple.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe Sunday night, I'm just going, well, they
Speaker 4: told us. But I still think usually when they go
Speaker 4: to these lengths to stat the deck again or to
Speaker 4: kind of clear the deck, I should say, to make
Speaker 4: it seem like the weasel Champion has no way out
Speaker 4: of this. Yeah, a lot of times they find something else.
Speaker 4: It could be Triple H. I know there's a lot
Speaker 4: of undertaker speculation, even just because there's like footage of
Speaker 4: him working out or a photo with or something. I
Speaker 4: don't even sure where that's coming from. But Triple H
Speaker 4: has been rumored for rollins for SummerSlam. I know that's
Speaker 4: just something Dave Meltzer talked about a lot. And so
Speaker 4: I don't know where they go on Sunday, but I'm
Speaker 4: very intrigued by what do you think they do?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, my my if I had to bet,
Speaker 5: and I don't have to, and I won't, and I'm
Speaker 5: not that confident in this, but my guess is we
Speaker 5: get a disputed finished and they rematch it, they rematch
Speaker 5: it SummerSlam now if Undertakers in the picture for Summer Slam,
Speaker 5: which would surprise me. He's not been in the Fisture
Speaker 5: or anything WrestleMania and in years, So if he's in
Speaker 5: the picture of that, and then I don't know, rematch
Speaker 5: to me, rematching Undertaker block Rust is you know, it
Speaker 5: is really problematic. I mean that was not a good match,
Speaker 5: and I think people would have that expectation of Undertaker
Speaker 5: beating Rock Left and he would have to be you know,
Speaker 5: I think he did not only have to be better
Speaker 5: than he was at the Brock Left match with WrestleMania,
Speaker 5: but better than he was last year. And he was better,
Speaker 5: you know, he improved over last year's WrestleMania to this
Speaker 5: year's Wrestleman. But I don't know that he looks credible
Speaker 5: beating brock Ls And what's the point of brug Wisser
Speaker 5: beating him again so well?
Speaker 4: And they're both babyfaces, you know, I mean, I can't
Speaker 4: see them trying Undertaker heel, can you?
Speaker 5: Not at all? Not at all? I mean, there's no way,
Speaker 5: you know, I think that. I thought, even though they
Speaker 5: did it on television, I wonder whether they're just doing
Speaker 5: it do it? But I thought that there's a a
Speaker 5: Caine Undertaker tag team with Caine turning back good and
Speaker 5: joining his brother, that that was something they could that
Speaker 5: was a card that they could play at some point.
Speaker 5: Although Caine has kind of worn out and not exposed.
Speaker 5: But maybe that's the card that they were trying to
Speaker 5: do because they would bring Undertaker story back it with
Speaker 5: your cane, you know, a place to get off the
Speaker 5: train if he's ready to do that, and you know,
Speaker 5: and they could either go out together or you know,
Speaker 5: Undertakers could still do his you know, once the year
Speaker 5: again because you know it's on to keep him. He
Speaker 5: can hold them back. You know, I'm always I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it's up for grabs every year. I mean,
Speaker 5: and I'm kind of surpassed. And if both Tinker comes
Speaker 5: to SummerSlam, then maybe he does something different than than
Speaker 5: Brock Well.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I've heard, you know, I've heard
Speaker 5: theories of Kevin Owen's getting in with Brock West, you know,
Speaker 5: of all kinds of stuff, but there's nobody. I mean,
Speaker 5: the one thing Brock up is a baby face that
Speaker 5: there's nobody built up on the Hels side. That's a
Speaker 5: badass that she wants to see brock Leves taken down
Speaker 5: the Huels right now, even is not always is a
Speaker 5: good badass. I mean, you know with it with that
Speaker 5: cowardly thing to him, But he hasn't been He's not
Speaker 5: built to that level yet. It would be too to me,
Speaker 5: that would be too soon. Maybe he could be later on,
Speaker 5: but there's no there's no you know, there's there's no
Speaker 5: bully who needs to be taken down by the bully
Speaker 5: on our side. You know, brock Wells is the baby.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm intrigued by it. I wonder if they
Speaker 5: don't know this is you know, we added brock wealth
Speaker 5: there to Battleground. We're going to bring it back at
Speaker 5: Summer Slam. So the people fans who are getting WWE Network,
Speaker 5: you know, we're adding it to them, or the folks
Speaker 5: who have the free mark, they should be satisfied with
Speaker 5: getting a rock Wealthy match, even if it doesn't have
Speaker 5: a perfect finis even the finish is design to rematch
Speaker 5: it summerslams So, but I don't know, I think I
Speaker 5: think there's a lot of there's a lot of things
Speaker 5: at play that doesn't make it very interesting.
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Speaker 5: So what did you think? I mean, the other big
Speaker 5: story I thought last I mean clearly last night was
Speaker 5: the Diva's division and Busha Banks and Charlotte and everybody
Speaker 5: else and Becky Lynn and all that. I mean, I
Speaker 5: think that was What did you think of that? I
Speaker 5: think that there's a lot of people saying that off
Speaker 5: the Great Star, and I think they're not looking close enough.
Speaker 5: I can go intothing. What did you think of that?
Speaker 4: Well? To me, it was way too much about Stephanie
Speaker 4: McMahon being the face of this change. It doesn't make
Speaker 4: any sense because she's a villain and you know, but
Speaker 4: I guess in the Diva's Division they're all kind of
Speaker 4: heels anyway, they still have some major issues here. I
Speaker 4: didn't like that Stephanie. It was like Stephanie knew that
Speaker 4: Charlotte and I think it was Becky Lynch would be
Speaker 4: a good fit with Page, and then somehow she also
Speaker 4: knew that Sasha would be more likely to go with Naomi,
Speaker 4: and so she's just kind of setting up this weird
Speaker 4: faction war. All of a sudden, you have three three womens,
Speaker 4: and that seems really screw to me. In a perfect world,
Speaker 4: I think, you know, get get to the rebrand. If
Speaker 4: you want to go corporate and have Stephanie rebranded, whatever, fine,
Speaker 4: call it the women's division number one and number two.
Speaker 4: I don't think I would have introduced them this way.
Speaker 4: I'm happy they're there. It feels overdue in some cases,
Speaker 4: but I just feel like you would have been they
Speaker 4: would have been better off being brought in as individuals,
Speaker 4: and I kind of fear that they're just going to
Speaker 4: get caught up in this goofy faction thing and kind
Speaker 4: of struggle to get three women over at once and
Speaker 4: their unique personalities. And I don't know about you, Bruce,
Speaker 4: but I set the over under it five weeks on
Speaker 4: how long it takes Stephanie McMahon to put Sasha Banks
Speaker 4: in her place for daring to call herself the boss.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think you're right about that. I think
Speaker 5: that it was more about, you know, it's more about
Speaker 5: document man trying to attach herself to what's seeing as
Speaker 5: a woman at that but than really thinking through and
Speaker 5: getting over the stars. She's not going to be in
Speaker 5: the room. No one's gonna knock her down going and
Speaker 5: you know, there's nothing that you can do with that.
Speaker 5: But then it really reminded me of when I'm in
Speaker 5: you know, I'm an elementary school teacher, so there are
Speaker 5: times when I go this kid, this kid, this kid,
Speaker 5: you go work on this this kid, this kid, this kid,
Speaker 5: you go work on this kid, this kid, this kid.
Speaker 5: And that doesn't make for stars. That doesn't make for
Speaker 5: stars on a pro wrestling show. Got you know, you've
Speaker 5: got three distinct, strong personalities. They're just in there doing moves.
Speaker 5: But the other thing, there's two parts of this that
Speaker 5: I really wonder if they thought through it. They introduced
Speaker 5: three facts, they introduced three new personalities. Are they going
Speaker 5: to give more time to the divas? Now, you know,
Speaker 5: taking the side they should they should just call the
Speaker 5: women's get this and very much so, or that the
Speaker 5: ones that come from an exta should be want you know,
Speaker 5: women versus divas? Are they going to give them more time?
Speaker 5: And we're just going to see a bunch of mix
Speaker 5: and match, you know, multi person tag matches where you know,
Speaker 5: the action is good, but nobody quite breaks through and
Speaker 5: nobody you know, they does that. But the other one
Speaker 5: that just and I think this is really important and
Speaker 5: I had I said this to a friend of mine.
Speaker 5: I don't want to say his name, Mark Madden, but
Speaker 5: he just goes, well, you know, that's how they dress
Speaker 5: in NXT, so it's okay, And I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 5: it's not. Serena Williams is great looking and and you
Speaker 5: know it has a real so it's the fashion. Roger
Speaker 5: Rowsey is great looking and and the women on the
Speaker 5: US soccer team are you know, are just vibrant and
Speaker 5: all that kind of you know, really look good, but
Speaker 5: they don't dress like strips. They don't dress in booty
Speaker 5: shorts that are as tight and as you know, and
Speaker 5: as revealing and as small as they can possibly be
Speaker 5: to show more than bobs. They're not, you know, the
Speaker 5: demons are set up to be to be. I can't
Speaker 5: for then, and I'm not even talking about the morality
Speaker 5: of this. I'm just saying that that that's the way
Speaker 5: to market them, to make funey. And they've made the
Speaker 5: devas money that way, they say, And then they have
Speaker 5: the you know reality show, you know, bickering back and forth.
Speaker 5: You know, women don't trust each other and all that
Speaker 5: kind of stuff. That's so probably make some money off
Speaker 5: of them. But why the rousing makes you know, is
Speaker 5: so much bigger. Serena Williams is so much bigger than
Speaker 5: eye candy. The women, you know, you know, the the
Speaker 5: US women got such big ratings because women can identify
Speaker 5: with them. Even though they all look great, women can
Speaker 5: identify them and they can look at them and go, damn,
Speaker 5: they kick ass and there you know, in their athletic
Speaker 5: field and they look good too. But it's not, you know,
Speaker 5: it's not you know what you know, what do they
Speaker 5: ask look like?
Speaker 10: What?
Speaker 5: You know? While you can you know, what does their
Speaker 5: butler like, Oh they look good, you know, man, they're
Speaker 5: just about they're just about naked and their wrestling. And
Speaker 5: so that has to change if they're going to if
Speaker 5: they're going to tap into a bigger market than the
Speaker 5: Devas tap into. And I don't think they say, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't think they see that at all. And to me,
Speaker 5: if you don't see that for all the steps of
Speaker 5: that man's lip service to a new type of woman athlete,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's not you know, three women's there
Speaker 5: take an asshole in tennis. For years and years we
Speaker 5: was you know, the women's soccer team won the gold,
Speaker 5: won the gold in nineteen ninety nine, won the World
Speaker 5: Cup in nineteen ninety nine. They get tender ever since,
Speaker 5: you know, roder rows in two years. But you know,
Speaker 5: I understand trying to trying to attach yourself to that
Speaker 5: you ride that bandwiding, but you've got to know what
Speaker 5: what makes you know, in particular rober rowse such a star,
Speaker 5: and it's because she doesn't compromise on her body, she
Speaker 5: doesn't starve herself to death, will look sexy, and they
Speaker 5: get her as kis. She she's about being a great
Speaker 5: athlete first and then looking good, you know, as a
Speaker 5: compliment to it, not the other way.
Speaker 4: An I'd like to see that, you know, I think
Speaker 4: where what what the NXT women are wearing to the
Speaker 4: ring is acceptable. I can't think of anything that jumps
Speaker 4: out in me is like, Okay, that's just gaudy and tacky.
Speaker 4: I think an easy way to do that.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Well, okay, I appreciate that. But if you
Speaker 5: know it's not gaud you're attacking. If you compare it
Speaker 5: to w W how w W dresses and how vas truss,
Speaker 5: it's gaudian tacky. If you compare it to Block, if
Speaker 5: you compare it to Serene, that's what. Sure, that's that's
Speaker 5: who you're trying to connect to. You know, we're used
Speaker 5: to it, we're used to seeing that. But you know,
Speaker 5: I look at Charlotte, you know, the only one to
Speaker 5: me to look at. She's not she's not athletic enough
Speaker 5: to be part of what I'm talking about. But the
Speaker 5: rest of them, you know, really tight clothes really, So
Speaker 5: that's what you know, it's it's not you know, it's
Speaker 5: not gaudy attacks say the sun, but it's you know,
Speaker 5: in the days where they were where they or you know,
Speaker 5: setting that playboard cover bents but gaundy and tacky compared
Speaker 5: to the west of the rest of the winning apts.
Speaker 4: Well, I think one way to counter that, if if
Speaker 4: they just won't budge on what they were in the ring,
Speaker 4: is to show them wearing normal clothing outside the ring more.
Speaker 4: And I'm not talking like get all dulled up for
Speaker 4: Total Divas, but dress in a classy manner and and
Speaker 4: and show that in a backstage interview now and again,
Speaker 4: I mean it's w W E. For whatever reason, we
Speaker 4: just don't see much of the outside of Total Divas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's a good point. And have them not acting,
Speaker 5: you know, not not having the same caddy arguments and
Speaker 5: and all that, like you know that they're they're going
Speaker 5: after you know, while one of the things that makes
Speaker 5: rod Ralfie over them with everybody is she's about with
Speaker 5: She's not winning her championship. She's about beating everybody as
Speaker 5: quickly and excise as she can. That's another thing. And
Speaker 5: this is what you know when you when you feature
Speaker 5: nine before who stood out? You know who who's the.
Speaker 4: Saw Charlotte's failed uhh Charlotte's failed drop kicks is the
Speaker 4: thing I remember most.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's the figure out or whatever. It's like,
Speaker 5: that's not that's not you know, you're making a snig comment.
Speaker 5: I understand it, but it's like, you know, and they've
Speaker 5: got weeks to come with this, but someone needs to
Speaker 5: stand out. Someone needs to be picked. I mean the Clear,
Speaker 5: you know, and the Clear Canada and Sasha Banks. But
Speaker 5: still someone needs to stand out out of that. And
Speaker 5: then they've got it, you know that. You know, there's
Speaker 5: a reason why Brion Della are featured, but they need
Speaker 5: and it's because they're successful in Ton of Devils and
Speaker 5: you know, the Merchant byself. But I think but I
Speaker 5: think they understand that the tons Ego audience is different
Speaker 5: from the Law audience because they thought it was the same.
Speaker 5: Then Nikki and John Cena would be featured on Raw
Speaker 5: again and they're you know, that's not even acknowledged something,
Speaker 5: nor should it. It's like there's there's a difference between
Speaker 5: the two audience obviously, So I think develops can be featured,
Speaker 5: but they can go down the car it's significantly and
Speaker 5: you know, and be used and you know it because
Speaker 5: on Raw they're tiresome. I don't know. Total genis is
Speaker 5: another thing, but it's you know, they've they've got that
Speaker 5: to deal with too. They've got some they've got some
Speaker 5: other factors. You can't just beat them and send them on.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I thought that, and and you know, there's
Speaker 5: just it was. It reminded me of E c W.
Speaker 5: When when when Stephane Man came out in that belrang
Speaker 5: and took over E c W and Paul Hayman and
Speaker 5: it didn't work out. You know, it was a genius
Speaker 5: move and it didn't work out. Which was Paul Hayman
Speaker 5: taking e c W and giving the stuff and telling
Speaker 5: her you're you know you're extreme, You're in the most
Speaker 5: extreme you can do that, and and and thinking that
Speaker 5: if I can marry you, if I can marry e
Speaker 5: c W to Stephan mcmon, it'll last forever. And it
Speaker 5: didn't work out that way, you know, and he'll be
Speaker 5: good too, and she I'm sure she thought through some
Speaker 5: of that and all that. It's like, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: this was the great if. If if these performers have
Speaker 5: to have someone else come out and cut their promos,
Speaker 5: fork that just doesn't work. I mean it's just that
Speaker 5: just doesn't work. It was more to me, a lot
Speaker 5: of this is more about the greater glory and the
Speaker 5: greater role modelness of the brand of Stephanie Man and us.
Speaker 5: You know, that isn't gonna work. I mean, it ain't
Speaker 5: gonna work for Stephanie Mann either. She would do better
Speaker 5: to stand a five and then, you know, then talk
Speaker 5: about it corporately and talk about it and other another
Speaker 5: heres and and really get this thing out instead of
Speaker 5: trying to big there.
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Speaker 4: Do you think we see some of those women at Battleground.
Speaker 4: I mean, right now, there's there's only like six matches
Speaker 4: that advertise for the main show, so they have room.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they do, and really they should. You know, Sasha
Speaker 5: Benk should be you know, they put her in a
Speaker 5: different fashion. Sasha Bean should be featured. You know, it
Speaker 5: gifts her best departments, you know, just put her and
Speaker 5: not do a one on one match and see the
Speaker 5: house and say this is what this is about, not
Speaker 5: a not a not a six six women time. You know,
Speaker 5: I was, you know, and I'm also not an eight
Speaker 5: minute or twelve minute match either, you know, do the
Speaker 5: nx do the NXP deal and tear the house proudably
Speaker 5: ready for it.
Speaker 3: The prown was.
Speaker 5: Ready for it last night. That really, you know, the
Speaker 5: people that watch NXK are live and they're their significant.
Speaker 4: Part of the live audience, and that the loudest I
Speaker 4: don't know about you, Bruce, I thought that was the
Speaker 4: loudest NXT chant we've heard of a w w E show.
Speaker 5: I think you're right. I think you're right. I think
Speaker 5: that you know, and that's they need to take advantage
Speaker 5: of that, like, you know, give them and you know,
Speaker 5: give the best match box. On the show's Sunday while
Speaker 5: and strike while the Iron the Top. Okay, John Cena
Speaker 5: is out there citing at ringside, smugly talking about how
Speaker 5: the three how russev And and Kevin Owens and Sorrow
Speaker 5: are wearing the cells out, making them making them easy pickings,
Speaker 5: making the one one, the number one contender easy pickings
Speaker 5: when he when he faces them, and wearing out Owen
Speaker 5: so he can beat In, which is completely gutless world champion,
Speaker 5: you know, real champion would want to face his number
Speaker 5: one contender fresh to prove that he could beat him
Speaker 5: without any excuse.
Speaker 6: And then there's you know.
Speaker 5: There's Kevin Owens, who is beating up the beating up
Speaker 5: the Communists because he doesn't want the Communists to get
Speaker 5: the US title. There's America like he did before, Oh
Speaker 5: no no, because he wants to who up to beat
Speaker 5: John cenacor for it. Then there's Cizarro, who I don't
Speaker 5: know what to say about. I mean, you know, and
Speaker 5: you know who's getting over and really, you know, people
Speaker 5: are really into him, except for you know, where does
Speaker 5: he stand? I thought that was really a strange kind
Speaker 5: of segment. And you know, between that and John scene
Speaker 5: to complain about refereeing. If I didn't know better, and
Speaker 5: I think I do know better, it's you know, it
Speaker 5: would look like there's a scene of scene a heels
Speaker 5: turn comic, but you know, they don't have anybody to
Speaker 5: take that guy's plice. And because all the reasons why
Speaker 5: they haven't up for years and years is still they
Speaker 5: I wonder whether they think they're giving in shape and pray,
Speaker 5: but I think it's just weakned, you know, we can
Speaker 5: say them this was a I thought this was a
Speaker 5: good match, but I thought it was it was strange
Speaker 5: how the characters were all, you know, all the way
Speaker 5: they were and I don't know what it was weird.
Speaker 5: What was your reaction to all that?
Speaker 4: Well, I think you just summed it up because it
Speaker 4: was just bizarre. I mean, I thought it was strange
Speaker 4: when John Cena worked a thirty minute match with Ciz
Speaker 4: Arrow and Owens comes out to attack him, and magically
Speaker 4: John Cena has enough strength just to fight him off,
Speaker 4: and you know, just in seconds, it was like okay.
Speaker 4: And then you get to this week and now it's
Speaker 4: John Cene is the one who can't handle Russeph who
Speaker 4: just worked a twenty minute match. Johnsen is on the
Speaker 4: verge of tapping out because they're trying to tell this
Speaker 4: story of Kevin Owens is not going to let anyone
Speaker 4: else win the title, and it made scene a look weak.
Speaker 4: It made Owens. I didn't think Owens walking. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: have even put him in that match. I'd still have
Speaker 4: Kevin Owens destroying people on raw. Not top end guys,
Speaker 4: but I mean just winning squash matches and kind of
Speaker 4: protecting that special quality that he had that he initially.
Speaker 4: It seems like he's quickly becoming just another raw guy.
Speaker 4: I thought, if anyone got over in that scenario last night,
Speaker 4: it was Russef, and that clearly wasn't by design. I
Speaker 4: don't think they want you to start liking Russef, but
Speaker 4: I actually felt sympathy for the guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was set up for you too. He was
Speaker 5: like he was perseverian kicking ass. I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 5: know his girlfriend, His girlfriend had abandoned him when he
Speaker 5: was hurt. You know they they was now so I
Speaker 5: got the impression they wanted to like, there's more isn't
Speaker 5: there more heat being from Russia than being from Bulgaria.
Speaker 5: Now he's got to be here for Mulgary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that's strange. I mean, I know, okay,
Speaker 4: he and Lona aren't together, but the story just as
Speaker 4: easily could have been. Well, the Russian Federation doesn't like
Speaker 4: Kilana anymore. They still like russ and we're not getting that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you would that would be the logical
Speaker 5: thing because he he would be you know, he's ready
Speaker 5: to go back and take the US title and dominate,
Speaker 5: dominate w W E on on the Communist behalf and
Speaker 5: or whatever they are now on Russian behalf, and so
Speaker 5: you know that's yeah, it was yeah, he and he
Speaker 5: came across to me. You know, he's squared off his hair.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's got a better haircut. He can't just
Speaker 5: like a baby facing in a lot of ways. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you had sympathy for him, you know, and always got
Speaker 5: somebody whoever stuck the summer right. But that's that's that's
Speaker 5: cop I don't get that. What does he need a
Speaker 5: what does he need a different blonde for? I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know where that goes or what
Speaker 5: that's about.
Speaker 4: So you know, you think that these interferences that they're
Speaker 4: doing with you know, with Kevin Owen's constances are a
Speaker 4: one match and now he's cost Ruse the title. Are
Speaker 4: they setting up a cop out finished for Sunday where
Speaker 4: Czarro and or russap and up, you know, interfering in
Speaker 4: that match and so that way they don't have to
Speaker 4: give you a clean finish to the third match between
Speaker 4: Gena and Owens.
Speaker 5: I mean, I what a lot of people assume, which is,
Speaker 5: you know, Kevin Owens. Kevin Owens, you know, loses the
Speaker 5: XT title, so he could the fin valas so he
Speaker 5: could leave NXT and of course they bring him back
Speaker 5: for those big shows that there's a lot of stake
Speaker 5: for me, whether they're you know, you know in the
Speaker 5: Barkley Center in the Philadelphia that they you know, they
Speaker 5: do more business than they've ever done with anty. But still,
Speaker 5: you know, if he would get the US title and
Speaker 5: then John Tena would go and do something else. Although
Speaker 5: you know, when I look at I know John Cena
Speaker 5: and this US Title Challenge formula has really been, you know,
Speaker 5: a highlight of a more abound money night raw and
Speaker 5: a kind of a sales promotion, and I would like
Speaker 5: I would like to see them keeping it going. But
Speaker 5: I mean, they could do you know, they could do it.
Speaker 5: They could do it with Kevin O just having to
Speaker 5: do the USO the title challenge and John Cena is
Speaker 5: chasing him. But I thought that Owens would win, and
Speaker 5: then you know, and then you would have Cizarrow and
Speaker 5: you would have Rusa in the mix. But if Owens wins,
Speaker 5: then Rusa Russ gets put to me and the sympathetic Well,
Speaker 5: the challenge you're chasing, you know, chasing you know, the bully.
Speaker 5: Whether that's got a little bit of power to Kevin Owens?
Speaker 5: Why do you want that? I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's I thought. I thought the chess pieces here or
Speaker 5: the follow pieces were fun in very strange ways last night.
Speaker 5: I like the action of the match, but I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't like where the Czarro is. Okay, Cizzarrow, I
Speaker 5: think the crowds behind Bizarro. He just needs to be
Speaker 5: the great wrestling baby.
Speaker 6: Base right now?
Speaker 5: That the other two I didn't, I mean the other
Speaker 5: two in the match and John Cena at the third
Speaker 5: I didn't get you ready to take some phone calls
Speaker 5: always at George Hockey Champion. So we just kind of
Speaker 5: talk for a while the ship. Yeah, let's dive in,
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't. Yeah, yeah, can you hear me? Yes?
Speaker 5: I can?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about what you just said about if
Speaker 2: there was I had two questions. One was about uh,
Speaker 2: Kevin Owen's if he uh, I know, he's still scheduled
Speaker 2: for the rematch at the takeover in at in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: What does he go in as the US champion and
Speaker 2: then lose to the n x T champion or is
Speaker 2: that a sign that he doesn't at the bell this Sunday?
Speaker 2: And my second question was about the uh the uh
Speaker 2: the the women's the new women's division. I think the
Speaker 2: way they had them set up is is just an
Speaker 2: example of what we had been saying for the longest.
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's not a really a good guy
Speaker 2: bad guy. It's almost like, uh, I didn't know where
Speaker 2: to put those three rows of of of women because
Speaker 2: it's like you had, I guess, three baby faces, three heels,
Speaker 2: and three loop worms.
Speaker 6: I mean I didn't, I just give over right, I didn't.
Speaker 5: Know where you put those at?
Speaker 2: Who Who's Who's? I mean the bells have been that
Speaker 2: way for months now. They're just kind of loop warm.
Speaker 2: They just play based off of whatever they need them for,
Speaker 2: almost like they do with Mark Henry. I mean two
Speaker 2: weeks ago he was a heel coming out and then
Speaker 2: he team with the Babyface team last night, and we
Speaker 2: were supposed to cheer them, So I was just wondering why.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering what or her thoughts on. Kind of it's
Speaker 2: almost like picking who you picking your friend. Somebody chooses
Speaker 2: who be your friend. I got somebody to be your
Speaker 2: friends exactly.
Speaker 5: Let's get let's let's get to that.
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Speaker 5: What about the match in the Barker Center? What about
Speaker 5: the match in New York? Kevin Owens comes in assuming,
Speaker 5: let's assume becomes of his US Champion, what happens with
Speaker 5: him and Sendala? Well?
Speaker 4: A couple of ways they can do it. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm guessing he doesn't come in as US Champion. I'm
Speaker 4: just the way he's been pushed lately. It almost feels
Speaker 4: like they've They're like again, they're just making him another
Speaker 4: guy on the show. I hope I'm mistaken and he
Speaker 4: comes out of the out of the Sunday with the championship.
Speaker 4: But you can always do what they've done already, which
Speaker 4: is only one titles on the line. That's what was
Speaker 4: agreed to. Sorry, and you know, and no one's can
Speaker 4: play that up beautifully.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 4: They can try to make it seem like, uh, they
Speaker 4: that Vin ballor wants the US Championship, but Owens isn't
Speaker 4: it just being the heel that he has refuses to
Speaker 4: put the title on the line, so they can still
Speaker 4: do that. I wouldn't read too much into it, but
Speaker 4: do you feel otherwise?
Speaker 5: First, yeah, I think, yeah, I think Finn Baalor is
Speaker 5: NXT champion and he defends the NXT Championship against Kevin
Speaker 5: Owens and he Allwens doesn't put up the f title
Speaker 5: if he's if he wins the US tople and he
Speaker 5: doesn't win the US title either way, I think sinn baller.
Speaker 5: You know that they give the fans and give an
Speaker 5: n XT fans, and I mean, they need to tear
Speaker 5: down the Halse. They need to have a lot, they
Speaker 5: need to have their biggest crowd ever by far, and
Speaker 5: they need to tear the house out. And that's that's
Speaker 5: at least one of the matches and probably the match
Speaker 5: to do that there and and then you show highlights
Speaker 5: of it on Raw. But whatever. But it doesn't really
Speaker 5: count for Kevin Ollen. You know, it doesn't really count
Speaker 5: for Kenis as far as law. The bigger picture of
Speaker 5: the of anyone who wantses wrong smacking, So you know
Speaker 5: that's yeah, that's where I see it. You know, That's
Speaker 5: what I guess was that the one thing to me
Speaker 5: that's what we're saying about the women. You know, and
Speaker 5: I went through my complaining and whining and all that,
Speaker 5: but it is the first week of the Reason and
Speaker 5: so while you know, the heel pace and luke warm
Speaker 5: is a pretty good way to put how everything was
Speaker 5: set up by stephan the Man last night. They you know,
Speaker 5: they need they're gonna need some more time to establish
Speaker 5: these more time on career show, and you think they
Speaker 5: can get it. But if they feature you know, if
Speaker 5: they feature Sasha Banks in ways that elevates her, or
Speaker 5: they feature uh or if they or they feature Charlotte
Speaker 5: in those ways, and then you know, we can see
Speaker 5: more than this. It's still it's still in this nazic stage.
Speaker 4: No, you covered it. I think we discussed kind of
Speaker 4: Stephanie picking sides for everybody the earlier, so I think
Speaker 4: he nailed it cool for some.
Speaker 5: Of that Net locast that in their full question tod.
Speaker 10: Okay, my name is Drell from Georgia and I have like, uh,
Speaker 10: my first question is a two part question, and I'm
Speaker 10: going back to the John Cena thing with the three guys.
Speaker 10: I think they build them up to look kind of
Speaker 10: strong because I feel like they're about to remove the
Speaker 10: title from John Cena and move him, I guess, back
Speaker 10: into the main event pictures as it's kind of slow
Speaker 10: after you think after brock me in SummerSlam, do you
Speaker 10: think that's a rush if they moved Johnthena back up there,
Speaker 10: since they seem like they don't have another choice to
Speaker 10: put to Few for the title. That's the first.
Speaker 5: Really, I think that's a really interesting question that that's
Speaker 5: in play because what that would mean, and maybe it
Speaker 5: is because Rock Wesler goes away after SummerSlam and are
Speaker 5: in some baby face load right now. That means that
Speaker 5: if John Cena goes back to main eventing raws and
Speaker 5: he's out of the US title pitcher and he's not
Speaker 5: working with guys too while he's a major star on
Speaker 5: the show that the elevant guy, he's back in that
Speaker 5: you know, he's chasing teth Rollins or he's you know,
Speaker 5: he's doing something with Shameless. I don't know what, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to top my head think and stuff.
Speaker 5: That's a major capitulation. That's a major defiet for Reference,
Speaker 5: who is still slowly being built up to be the
Speaker 5: face of what he Jason, what you were actually the
Speaker 5: first Is there a possibility that that John Cena leaves
Speaker 5: this role he's there there, that he's been successful at
Speaker 5: he goes back to you know, the goes back to
Speaker 5: the third hour, main event of money, not Raw every week.
Speaker 4: I think it's possible. I think I wouldn't do it
Speaker 4: if I were them. I think Sina. I know people
Speaker 4: want to see Owens win the title, but if they
Speaker 4: keep it on Scena, I think the saving grace that
Speaker 4: there is that the US Open Challenge has become a
Speaker 4: big part of Raw. People are into that, the mystery
Speaker 4: of who's going to step up this week, and granted
Speaker 4: it doesn't always deliver, but it does more often than not.
Speaker 4: And so I don't think he needs to be moved
Speaker 4: out of that scene anytime soon, because the alternative then becomes, okay,
Speaker 4: John Cena is going for the US or going for
Speaker 4: the world title and it's held by seth Rawlins. It
Speaker 4: brocks out of the picture and he's not the champion.
Speaker 4: I don't want to see that match anytime soon. They
Speaker 4: ran that into the ground already and it's just too
Speaker 4: soon to go back to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you go back
Speaker 5: to John C. And I think, you know, and I
Speaker 5: don't know what's gonna happen. I mean, it's he's not over,
Speaker 5: it's not working to where it should be working. He
Speaker 5: is improving, but it's you know, and you know, we
Speaker 5: have a talk about him in Bray Wyatt and but
Speaker 5: it's kind of exactly where everybody is with Ray Watt
Speaker 5: and Ray White. But I have said this, I like
Speaker 5: the Roman ranks as a personal too, keeps them away
Speaker 5: from failing to win the W title until the time
Speaker 5: comes on it's the most opportune time for him to
Speaker 5: win it. But I you know, I mean, I guess
Speaker 5: the possibility. I'm with you, I wouldn't do it. And
Speaker 5: I think I don't think they're going to go back.
Speaker 5: I mean I think that, you know, I think that
Speaker 5: they're going to keep moving forward and hope that run
Speaker 5: the range clips in and games even more traction or
Speaker 5: hope that you know, hope the Kevin Owens and some
Speaker 5: of it, some of what's going on in this you know,
Speaker 5: in in this US title division, the strengthen strengthens their hands.
Speaker 5: So we'll see, you know, seven or eight. Thanks for
Speaker 5: waiting that next time the torch out chest he was.
Speaker 6: Going off from US.
Speaker 5: This is Mike from Brooklyn, another New York heard from
Speaker 5: What's up?
Speaker 6: Like how you doing? Yeah? Just to also add on,
Speaker 6: you know to that, call me like what if they
Speaker 6: don't move Scena back to the main event picture and
Speaker 6: have him take you know, the IC title from right
Speaker 6: back and you know, try to elevate that title to
Speaker 6: the level of the US title. That's my first question, and.
Speaker 5: All right, go ahead and second take.
Speaker 6: The second question is, you know, with Rollins and you know,
Speaker 6: aiming and everybody representing the undertaken so much, will you
Speaker 6: posably see maybe like a Robins undertake a match down
Speaker 6: the line, maybe bad Mania or something.
Speaker 5: Jason, what about elevating the inter Continental title with right back? Like,
Speaker 5: you know, how would that worker? Should they do that?
Speaker 5: Or does that take that takes some of the EMUs
Speaker 5: away from the focus away from you know, a U
Speaker 5: S side was just starting to get stronger.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the only way if you want to
Speaker 4: try to do the open Challenge thing, then I think
Speaker 4: you need to make that exclusive to SmackDown. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: want to see the same gimmick on both shop. I
Speaker 4: think the the IC title is in an okay place.
Speaker 4: I mean it it's lower and prestige than the US title,
Speaker 4: But I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I mean,
Speaker 4: in a perfect world. I'm just you know, because it's
Speaker 4: w WE history, I like, I prefer the Icy title
Speaker 4: mean more. But that's just me. They've established the US
Speaker 4: Championships is being meaningful right now, and the ICY title
Speaker 4: right back. I think is a good title holder. I
Speaker 4: think he's a decent guy to hold onto that championship
Speaker 4: for a while and work with some of the mid
Speaker 4: card heels and and and people are response are reacting
Speaker 4: to him. He's getting a pretty strong reaction almost every
Speaker 4: place he goes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like to see them simplify. I'd like
Speaker 5: to see him keep it on Live too. I'd like
Speaker 5: to see them simplify the formula and do the Goldberg
Speaker 5: and formal in other words, you know, unless there's a
Speaker 5: reason not to why that walks through everybody on SmackDown.
Speaker 5: He's fed mid level heel and he you know, he
Speaker 5: walks to a formula and he marches around and drops
Speaker 5: the down, you know, drop the guy on his back
Speaker 5: at the end of every match. I think that's what
Speaker 5: people respond to. Its him being dominant. I don't want
Speaker 5: to see him adding moves. I don't want to. I
Speaker 5: want him to see be a bad ass. And you know,
Speaker 5: you know exactly. I always talk about Popeye cartoons and
Speaker 5: Popeye cartoons, you know, way out of the culture, but
Speaker 5: they worked like this. Popeye got pop I got beaten
Speaker 5: up by Bluto until he got a spinach. He opened
Speaker 5: the can of spinich dright ate the spinach really fast,
Speaker 5: and then he then he beat Bluto and that will
Speaker 5: beat him in one and that will do him the cartoon.
Speaker 5: Every single cartoons the same what every single cartoon for
Speaker 5: a kid and for for adults to watch. He was
Speaker 5: completely satisfying. You didn't look pretty more to that and
Speaker 5: and you can catch you know, it's because I think
Speaker 5: that's where right Back would be at his best. And
Speaker 5: then as you build him up, if he really you know,
Speaker 5: bulb or caught bomb. And I don't think it, right
Speaker 5: Back would catch fire up. All the years we see
Speaker 5: him be a mediocrity, but but it would be better.
Speaker 5: I think it will give you that segment on the show.
Speaker 5: People would oh, here's row act. You're gonna see something.
Speaker 5: Now he's going to be somebody up. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: I think that's I think that's definitely un there.
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Speaker 5: H M, tell me tell me the second question. Tell
Speaker 5: me the second question again?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I have a split question. The second question
Speaker 6: was with the what with so many you know Undertaker
Speaker 6: references over the past couple of weeks, do you think
Speaker 6: you know, possibly down the line we'll see a rollin
Speaker 6: Undertake a match, which I think will be pretty good.
Speaker 6: And I also have a question about global Force.
Speaker 5: Okay, what's your question about Global Force.
Speaker 6: Just seeing you know, just seeing the brackening and you
Speaker 6: know them, you know, explaining their poor division, Like I
Speaker 6: want to get you guys who takes you know where
Speaker 6: you see that.
Speaker 5: That's a that's a good question, Jason, what do you
Speaker 5: think about Undertaker facing Seth rol.
Speaker 4: I think it's a it's a good match for Undertaker
Speaker 4: in that Hollins can create a lot of the movement
Speaker 4: for him take you know, some some crazy bumps say
Speaker 4: I think it would be comparable, if not better then
Speaker 4: Undertaker's match with CM Punk the Truth now that the
Speaker 4: streak is gone. I think, you know, in that case,
Speaker 4: Rollins is just one of those guys where if he's
Speaker 4: facing Taker for the streak, I think people are going
Speaker 4: to go, oh, Taker wins again. In this case, you know,
Speaker 4: people are still probably going to assume that Taker wins again.
Speaker 4: But you know, there's a they can do different things
Speaker 4: with it. I don't know if you'll see you for all,
Speaker 4: I know that they're bringing back Taker to face Rollins
Speaker 4: at SummerSlam, but if that's not the case, and I
Speaker 4: don't know that you'll see Taker challenging Seth Rollins for
Speaker 4: the championship, but I could definitely see them doing something
Speaker 4: together at a WrestleMania if if Taker sticks with this
Speaker 4: Mania only schedule.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know I could see it at WrestleMania.
Speaker 5: And for the reason that you said he'd be a
Speaker 5: good oppun for it's tremendous in the ring, and you
Speaker 5: know when he's a coward and the characters, the cows
Speaker 5: that plays in, the Undertakers, the college and all that.
Speaker 5: But I would think that you would want to pull
Speaker 5: the trigger on Roman ring beating Seth Rawls before he
Speaker 5: got to that match. In other words, the championship is
Speaker 5: away from Seth Rocks and whether Tournaman range or not.
Speaker 5: The Global Force thing real quickly. My reaction Jason to
Speaker 5: this is, I don't think you know they set up
Speaker 5: that they're going to do tournaments for tournaments for Global
Speaker 5: Force Championship for a you know, a New Generation league,
Speaker 5: that's what it's called the WF, but you know, a
Speaker 5: young wrestlers, how do you want to say in a
Speaker 5: women's division and attacking division. I don't think Jeff Jarrett,
Speaker 5: Global Force Wrestling have the time to go through a tournament.
Speaker 5: I think that that I think that they don't have
Speaker 5: anybody established. If I have, if Jeff Jarrett had called
Speaker 5: me up on the phone and said, Brus, what do
Speaker 5: you do? And you know he is yet to do
Speaker 5: this thing, and he's been in wrestling for you know,
Speaker 5: since nineteen eighty whatever it is. But if he called
Speaker 5: me and said what do you do? I would I
Speaker 5: would have set And this may make people mad, people
Speaker 5: may disagree with, but I would have set champions and
Speaker 5: all four of those divisions and then have them defended
Speaker 5: and then said this is what we're going with. These
Speaker 5: are you know right now, these are our top four
Speaker 5: stars in each of these divisions, and they're going to
Speaker 5: defend against these contenders and get started. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: the the waiting for waiting for a tournament when you
Speaker 5: got a lot of you know, decent but mid pard
Speaker 5: town and waiting to find out who's going to be established.
Speaker 5: He doesn't have time and and put and also just
Speaker 5: trying to sell you know, the television taping right now
Speaker 5: seems to be a TV Popps, so you know, and
Speaker 5: and we've seen what I've got. We've seen what a
Speaker 5: brand about good wrestling without stars, how how hard that
Speaker 5: is to get that on and get them on a
Speaker 5: good cable television plane.
Speaker 4: I I want to see champions earn the titles, but
Speaker 4: at the same time, I'm not crazy about rolling out
Speaker 4: four tournaments at once. It kind of goes back to
Speaker 4: what we were saying about the NXT women. It's it's
Speaker 4: a little too much too soon. I think established those
Speaker 4: championships individually and you know, maybe create a need for
Speaker 4: next Gen title, I think is what they're calling it.
Speaker 4: The other thing that jumps out of me with this
Speaker 4: is that the net I guess the next Gen title.
Speaker 4: It might turn out to be great wrestling. The X
Speaker 4: Division was a lot of fun in TNA, but that's
Speaker 4: just it. It's the X Division. I guess I was
Speaker 4: kind of hoping for something new, something, you know, that
Speaker 4: Jared had some fresh idea, and it wasn't just renaming
Speaker 4: the X Division the next Gen because I'm looking at
Speaker 4: the names in there and they're just X Division wrestlers.
Speaker 4: I mean, what is PJ. Black? He worked in WWE
Speaker 4: as justin Gabriel. It's not like he's some new guy
Speaker 4: that no one's seen before and he's in that tournament,
Speaker 4: and so that part, I guess I just seeing the
Speaker 4: next Gen thing kind of made me cringe more than
Speaker 4: it did it just like the fact that I think
Speaker 4: the matches will actually be good. It just made me
Speaker 4: cringe more than than it got me excited about Global
Speaker 4: Force Wrestling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, in thirteen years, the ex Division, all
Speaker 5: the wild Spot, all the crazy matches, all that stuff.
Speaker 5: Soon who do you look back on and remember from
Speaker 5: that who got established as a stough, who I would
Speaker 5: say made some out of the Exhibition.
Speaker 4: It's been a long time. I think you have to
Speaker 4: go back to AJ Styles, Samoe, with Joe and Daniels
Speaker 4: when they were feuding over the championship.
Speaker 5: Beyond that, I mean even those three, I don't think
Speaker 5: those three made himself by the exhibision. I mean, I
Speaker 5: think AJ South got started me, but I don't think
Speaker 5: that's where, you know, that's where they made their real names.
Speaker 5: That's where the highlight of their career is an AJ Styles.
Speaker 5: I mean to me, you know, here's this guy that's
Speaker 5: home grown TNA, and it says so much to me
Speaker 5: that when he got out from under TNA, his career
Speaker 5: became so much better, you know, so much better for
Speaker 5: him finance, but he became you know, an international star
Speaker 5: much more more respect. But anyway, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 5: like that style of We're going to give a lot
Speaker 5: of action, but they're not going to be stars. They're
Speaker 5: going to shape the guys that want, you know, that
Speaker 5: want spots or want you know, want a rate match
Speaker 5: the stars. I mean, I think that approach didn't do
Speaker 5: a whole lot bet.
Speaker 4: The other thing, well, the other thing I want to
Speaker 4: say about this too is I'm looking at their heavyweight
Speaker 4: tournament brackets and I mean there's only a couple of
Speaker 4: matches announced as far. They're really lucky that they have
Speaker 4: this working agreement with T and A. I mean, I
Speaker 4: just I don't even know what the heavyweight title tournament
Speaker 4: would look like if they didn't have Bobby Roode involved,
Speaker 4: and I think Magnus is also in there. I just
Speaker 4: I think they would be really short on talent on
Speaker 4: the heavyweight side, which is you know, build as their
Speaker 4: most important championship.
Speaker 5: And you know, when the rest of the promotions do
Speaker 5: this this crap about well, I mean, I'll put it
Speaker 5: like this. You know, Jason, I'm sure you've never heard
Speaker 5: you mention that the s C Double A Tournament is
Speaker 5: the biggest events sports with a huge amount billion dollars
Speaker 5: in this huge audience all over the country. And you know,
Speaker 5: when they announced the brackets, they don't announce two games
Speaker 5: and then tell you know, in some other time in
Speaker 5: the future, at some point, we will announce the rest
Speaker 5: of the brackets.
Speaker 4: I mean, now, don't give the idea. If they can
Speaker 4: melk them, if they can milk out Selection Sunday into
Speaker 4: like three days and get TV ratings, they might do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they might. I mean they could turn it into it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: I will say, as big as Selection Sunday is and
Speaker 5: they draws huge rating, if they could turn it into
Speaker 5: that damn NFL draft, I'm sure they would. But you know,
Speaker 5: they draw suage ratings everyone you know six, you know,
Speaker 5: three or four days. But but my point being, if
Speaker 5: you're going to follow a sports model and don't do
Speaker 5: that half assed. We're gonna here's a couple of guys.
Speaker 5: Don't be too massive, sound good, get the tournament pairings
Speaker 5: out there, you know, and then the other and you
Speaker 5: know the other part is and and pick you know,
Speaker 5: and pick your real commission that's supposed to be competent.
Speaker 5: It's not a it's not a heel or a baby
Speaker 5: face and go online and and you know, and and
Speaker 5: then bail the tournament brackets and have the wrestlers there
Speaker 5: talking about it and then starts your turn, you know,
Speaker 5: and then starts your tournament and you can use that
Speaker 5: footage on the television ship later. But I've never seen
Speaker 5: wrestling tournaments work when when they when they're when they
Speaker 5: treat the tournament like Wimbledon. You know, like Wimbledon, you
Speaker 5: know all the seedings before it starts, there it is,
Speaker 5: and then and then you can you know, you can
Speaker 5: talk about the seedings, but there it is, and that
Speaker 5: you play the NFL playoffs same way any kind of term.
Speaker 5: When they do this halfway mess of a tournament, it
Speaker 5: doesn't make sense. And it's just and then excuse it
Speaker 5: when it's just wrestling when you know what that it's
Speaker 5: just wrestling that that doesn't look it's not going to
Speaker 5: be there. And you know, I don't think I do
Speaker 5: want to see champions earnest, but I just don't think
Speaker 5: they have time to center. I don't think they have
Speaker 5: time to have a bunch of matches on a TV
Speaker 5: pilot that that finally builds the subbody winning the championship.
Speaker 5: I think they just need. You know, it's not a
Speaker 5: perfect situation, but I think they need to. I think
Speaker 5: you need to get to it. And that's sense. I mean,
Speaker 5: you don't have time to build. You need to just go.
Speaker 5: You know, this is our guy and he's better than
Speaker 5: anybody else, He's more scouting than anybody else. And then
Speaker 5: you know the network needs to jump on this, and
Speaker 5: and so does everybody else.
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Speaker 5: Ip so three one nine treat every course lotche calls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Carlos. Yeah, this is Carlos from Peter Rabbits. Iowa.
Speaker 3: Had a time in and then a question.
Speaker 5: First, I never thought i'd be in Iowa, and I
Speaker 5: really enjoyed my time. So i Iowa was a cool place,
Speaker 5: a lot of nice people. I really had fun.
Speaker 4: That's the first time I've ever heard anyone say Iowa
Speaker 4: is a cool place. I've always heard really nice people,
Speaker 4: but I've never heard Iowa is a cool place. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was about to ask you. I was about to
Speaker 3: ask how it sounds like waterleoois treating You're really good.
Speaker 3: That's good to hear because I grew up there.
Speaker 5: In water, so maybe you didn't have you know, the
Speaker 5: Five Brothers Convention Center, let's see risque the seventies and
Speaker 5: eighty what was the name of that seventies eighty is far?
Speaker 5: And then the diner was cool?
Speaker 4: No broken record?
Speaker 3: Is that on broken record?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Broken record?
Speaker 5: Was I enjoyed that. Of course, you know, I'm a
Speaker 5: child with the seventies, so I had fun in there.
Speaker 5: And also it was just you know, cool to hang out.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I thought at the museum was off and
Speaker 5: we we got you know, the river the river was
Speaker 5: great and that was off.
Speaker 3: I thought it was.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that. We put a picture of the
Speaker 3: camp Hayton Newton's Yeah, Newton's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Newton's Newton, which is owned by the Say people
Speaker 5: Broken Record. I thought I it was you know, you know,
Speaker 5: and Jason, I know that this girl thought we were
Speaker 5: falling around because we went to Broken Record. You at
Speaker 5: the cool Bark, the Cool Barton. She was cool. She's
Speaker 5: telling us about her life and how she how she
Speaker 5: worked really hard and she's just go sit the concert
Speaker 5: trail and then comes back and you know, she's at
Speaker 5: that port in the life in the early twenties, and
Speaker 5: you know, and I was sitting there and I'm at
Speaker 5: this point in my life. Even if they have to
Speaker 5: do it for a job, a good looking twenty year
Speaker 5: old girl, it's being nice to me, even if it's
Speaker 5: her job, very nice to me. I enjoyed that too,
Speaker 5: so well, yeah, you know, And then it turned out
Speaker 5: she's also a waitress at Newton's doed, so it's like
Speaker 5: she's bouncing back and forth and working two shifts. That
Speaker 5: having to be you know, poor thing, having to be
Speaker 5: nice to these old guys hanging out the bar and
Speaker 5: we were the only nothing way the way. But yeah,
Speaker 5: that was yeah, Newton's that was that. It had the
Speaker 5: revolving diner sign, Like I thought that was pretty good.
Speaker 5: The food is right, it was top lunch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've done a lot of last few years as
Speaker 3: far as getting downtown redeveloped, a new chap the new restaurants, bars,
Speaker 3: housing options and stuff like that. So and Newton just
Speaker 3: to be a Julie Star. Our family's business. That's getting
Speaker 3: our Washington from them. So have you been to the museum.
Speaker 5: Have you've been to the National Rustling Hall of Fame Music?
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, No, I haven't. I when I go up there,
Speaker 3: I usually go once to try some months just visit family.
Speaker 3: But I haven't been up there yet. And based on
Speaker 3: what you guys have been talking about, I need to
Speaker 3: go up there. I need to go visit it.
Speaker 5: So, I mean it covers every aspect of professional rustling,
Speaker 5: you know, including you know, boltimat War. I mean, it
Speaker 5: has it has everything, but definitely, you know, definitely it
Speaker 5: was a song the tough guys and the tough strong
Speaker 5: shoot russels who became professional offers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess with the table's name on there. That's
Speaker 3: that's the best option to take because he is, like
Speaker 3: I get said, he's like the man up here.
Speaker 5: So it comes back clearly clearly. Well, I mean I was,
Speaker 5: I was, I mean, I was just I can't believe
Speaker 5: I stand here talking to day to day talk about
Speaker 5: an American soociate that guy that guy's and you can
Speaker 5: just tell it was just it was boring. I hate
Speaker 5: saying this ny but it was live for Iowa. I
Speaker 5: got to I got to distigure Russian. Daron Dabel was
Speaker 5: what being Smith was in North Carolina and what my
Speaker 5: chefs should be. But it was a mean what Dee
Speaker 5: Smith was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's your what's your not to go on
Speaker 3: and on?
Speaker 5: What's your pro wrestling with? What's your question?
Speaker 3: And commin Well my kind of well my comment her
Speaker 3: question for last time I called, like Jason, we had
Speaker 3: talked about the women's division, and I was happy to
Speaker 3: see what they did last night. But my question for
Speaker 3: you guys is now that they've given us this, brought
Speaker 3: up the new talent, can we trust them to follow
Speaker 3: through with it?
Speaker 5: Long time?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 3: I mean, other way, what's the point They're just getting
Speaker 3: our hopeset.
Speaker 4: No, you can't trust them to follow through with it.
Speaker 4: They need to earn that trust. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: you can't rule out that they're actually going to change
Speaker 4: things and for the better. But until I just think
Speaker 4: it's one of those you kind of waiting and hope
Speaker 4: rus Yeah, no, I agree with that.
Speaker 5: I mean you have to wait to see they you know,
Speaker 5: they have they have done some tremendous things over the years.
Speaker 5: I mean, they have a decade of history behind them.
Speaker 5: They've also blown it many times and you have to
Speaker 5: look at and to me, I thought last night was
Speaker 5: it looked like gold, but it wasn't gold. It was
Speaker 5: school's gold. And a big part of that was Stephanie's
Speaker 5: mad you know, kind of taking over and taking the
Speaker 5: instances away from the women and then just bringing them up.
Speaker 5: They're going name them off and then put them in
Speaker 5: little groups and then they go to it. It was
Speaker 5: too it was too fast. It was you know, it
Speaker 5: was hard for someone to get over. But still it may,
Speaker 5: you know, it may just catch fire. Sometimes things that
Speaker 5: aren't done well catch fire because of the star power
Speaker 5: and people involved in and you know in w W
Speaker 5: in wrestling, and maybe that could happen here. But it's
Speaker 5: it's way too soon to say this works. To me,
Speaker 5: it's soon enough to say I wasn't as impressed in
Speaker 5: the first chapter as I would liked to be. I
Speaker 5: did you know, And you can also say I did
Speaker 5: like the three newcomers in the middle of the ring
Speaker 5: make you know, making everybody tap, making with wrestling holes
Speaker 5: and wrestling wings that look that look pretty cool and
Speaker 5: and being taken seriously. I like that. So, but as
Speaker 5: far as like getting your host up, get your host up,
Speaker 5: I mean, it might work, and if it doesn't. The
Speaker 5: thing about following wrestling to me is you learn stuff
Speaker 5: and it's fast. This is gonna be fascinating wherever it
Speaker 5: wherever it falls, and it works, and it works to
Speaker 5: a medium extent that they lose interesting or it was
Speaker 5: just flops all the all the players in play. You
Speaker 5: know that that story that the real story was fast. Okay,
Speaker 5: lot's not five soon. Hey, how you doing, Bruce doing
Speaker 5: all right? Going off? I have to agree with your guys.
Speaker 14: This sentiment on the Diva thing segment last night, with
Speaker 14: all them coming up, I just hit schools go like
Speaker 14: I wanted to be excited.
Speaker 5: My girlfriend she was excited, but I.
Speaker 14: Had to tell her that this isn't gonna last. And
Speaker 14: you said it best if by Stephanie's involvement and just
Speaker 14: the fact that none of it was given to any
Speaker 14: one single, uh female wrestler on your roster. It was
Speaker 14: all kind of divided amongst them evenly, three perfect sets
Speaker 14: of three, one of which was a blonde, a brunette,
Speaker 14: and a redhead.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's so formula, it's almost kind of it was.
Speaker 14: It was deflating.
Speaker 5: I'll say that, you know what I say, I agree
Speaker 5: with a lot of what you're saying, but I've learned
Speaker 5: that when someone's watching them and they I'm really interested
Speaker 5: in that, and I don't try to like, like what side.
Speaker 4: Tom, I you know, I think it's kind of a coincidence.
Speaker 4: The hair color. I mean, it's just those are the
Speaker 4: three who are ready to be called a Bailey as
Speaker 4: as well, but she's she's still sidelined with the risk injury.
Speaker 4: I you know, I guess the thing I'd be curious
Speaker 4: about is like a somebody who's just a very casual viewer,
Speaker 4: how they're looking at this. And I'm guessing the thing
Speaker 4: you're talking about is ay Rick Flair's daughter was on
Speaker 4: and that's about all they're going to take from this.
Speaker 4: I I just don't know that they're looking if they're
Speaker 4: not watching NXT, I guess that's that's the reaction I'm
Speaker 4: hoping to get from people. People who don't watch NXT.
Speaker 4: How did they you know, how did they view this?
Speaker 4: Or is this something they're excited about? Or is this
Speaker 4: just all NXT excitement? People who know how good these
Speaker 4: women are, they're the ones who are excited. But what's
Speaker 4: the regular viewer out there thinking?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's exactly right. I hear a regular viewer,
Speaker 5: you know, the girlfriend got excited. I'm like, okay, well
Speaker 5: she got excited. That that's that's the score for them.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, that's that's where we're gonna look at something.
Speaker 5: We're gonna lookt a couple of emails before we get Jason.
Speaker 5: I know we're gonna do a bonus show. I'm assuming
Speaker 5: you're okay with that, and I'm gonna evil. I've got
Speaker 5: a very evil idea that maybe we can make something up.
Speaker 5: Just I don't I don't mean to teach for the
Speaker 5: v I people, I mean the teacher there, but I
Speaker 5: have I have an idea you and I really make
Speaker 5: something up. This is v I T member Sam from
Speaker 5: Santos Day. Uh do you think that? Okay? Which the
Speaker 5: three divers of these three new new divas, of the
Speaker 5: three X team women. I sure would like for them
Speaker 5: to call them win. I like to to say we're
Speaker 5: not we'll win, you know, and we're and we're here
Speaker 5: for the championship and we're here to kick half. They
Speaker 5: say we're gonna kick that on three If it will
Speaker 5: be featured at the hot at the highest level at
Speaker 5: Russell May, and which one will be, which one will
Speaker 5: get will get that spotlight higher than the level.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Charlotte because of the family history.
Speaker 4: I mean, not that she's not worthy of it, because
Speaker 4: she's very talented. Sasha's right there with her. Becky is
Speaker 4: the one that's kind of come on the scene here
Speaker 4: pretty strong lately. But I just think there's the built
Speaker 4: in history with Charlotte that makes her I think the
Speaker 4: right person for that job. You know, if anyone's going
Speaker 4: to get over out of this, I think it's going
Speaker 4: to be here. I mean, I hope in time they
Speaker 4: all do. But if the booking is kind of flimsy,
Speaker 4: as long as they protect her, and they don't feed
Speaker 4: it in a tully in two minutes. Again, I think
Speaker 4: she's the one to really keep an eye on.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're right. I think saaf If won
Speaker 5: SASA Banks one A. But yeah, yeah, I think I
Speaker 5: think that's definitely. I think that's definitely there.
Speaker 4: So does it? Were you that they paired her with
Speaker 4: Naomi and Tamina who really haven't been taken care of it.
Speaker 5: All a little bit. I think the reasons why they
Speaker 5: did that was so that they could have so that
Speaker 5: they could have a mat as a saw they can
Speaker 5: have a match, that they could do the matches. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the that's the kind of as you said, she
Speaker 5: didn't seem much.
Speaker 4: I would have put Alicia with those two and then
Speaker 4: put uh Sasha Banks with the bellas if you insist
Speaker 4: on doing a faction war. I mean I wouldn't. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't have done any of this. But I just think
Speaker 4: Sasha's character she you know, that that very Bellai like,
Speaker 4: you know, just not that now that she's turning baby
Speaker 4: facing NXT not so much. But the boss character I
Speaker 4: think would have mixed it nicely with those two if
Speaker 4: they wanted, you know, if they had they take had
Speaker 4: they actually thought about this, But instead I don't. I mean,
Speaker 4: what's the bond with the Boss Sasha Banks and Naomi
Speaker 4: and Tamina. I'm just missing it completely.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just seems like, yeah, there's no And that's
Speaker 5: to me that's the problem with I mean, I wonder
Speaker 5: where this I wonder where. I wonder how this idea
Speaker 5: of morphed into the step in it makes because it
Speaker 5: sure look to me like there was going to be
Speaker 5: an XP invasion with these three kicking asps, and then
Speaker 5: it became Stephanie's gonna be involved in it to really
Speaker 5: hit it over so she can get the love to
Speaker 5: thee because she's you know, a wonderful role model for
Speaker 5: athletic women everywhere, and blah blah blah. I you know,
Speaker 5: I just you know, I wonder, you know, I wonder,
Speaker 5: I wonder, like you know, where where they you know,
Speaker 5: why they put them in other words, they could have
Speaker 5: if they if they had done Charlotte this week, you know,
Speaker 5: and it spread them out and had to come out,
Speaker 5: and they could come up with reasons why they're you know,
Speaker 5: organic reasons why they're they're alive with you know, with
Speaker 5: pay their page being the one to bring them and
Speaker 5: and then and then someone calling in Slasha Vents and
Speaker 5: sent them just we don't know why these people exactly together.
Speaker 5: You know, the page kind of makes sense that you've
Speaker 5: been watching n ST and watching w w A, But
Speaker 5: why it it took it took it away from the
Speaker 5: storyline by having definitely you know, it's definitely gonna patten
Speaker 5: herself on the back of being you know, from from
Speaker 5: for this. Let's see, this is that's the you member
Speaker 5: Jay Dad one twenty Hall of Famer Way the future
Speaker 5: Hall of Famer. Jason, have two quick questions for you.
Speaker 5: I mean, all right, Anyway, when Lisa Scott Lee being
Speaker 5: fired from DEDE, she was she was the person who
Speaker 5: created that was below triple H and dismantment, above the
Speaker 5: writers and Brian Dewartz leaving. What does this mean for
Speaker 5: the creative team? Also, I'm worried for the NFTD this
Speaker 5: because I don't trust that will going to need to
Speaker 5: do like of it. What about Brian to works and
Speaker 5: Lisa Scott Lee that will change anything With Brian.
Speaker 4: Brian has been working part time for the longest time.
Speaker 4: I mean he's there anytime Rock is there, that's his guy.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even be surprised even though he's leaving, he's
Speaker 4: still associated with Rock. I wouldn't be surprised at all
Speaker 4: of when Rock shows up, you still see him. I
Speaker 4: know he's doing a little bit more than just Rocks
Speaker 4: up with the company, kind of working as a very
Speaker 4: part time guy. I don't think it changes much. I
Speaker 4: just you know, I don't know how much he's been
Speaker 4: responsible for as far as the the other dismissal first,
Speaker 4: I mean as high of a position as she had.
Speaker 4: I just don't hear much about creative and who's really
Speaker 4: calling the shots aside from well we know it's bench
Speaker 4: has final sake, Kevin duns in his ear, and certainly
Speaker 4: Triple H has some influence as well. I just don't
Speaker 4: even know what the pecking order is now for writers
Speaker 4: beyond the head the head and writer level, and so
Speaker 4: I just don't know how much he was contributing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that. I want to you know,
Speaker 5: I think that maybe she was more administrative. I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't hear that this was there, Like you said,
Speaker 5: you York for years was Rotkin and you know he
Speaker 5: just him up work. But he had been he had
Speaker 5: been de emphasized a long time ago. And I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just think the creative team is in the same
Speaker 5: position that's always them, which is they're those guys are
Speaker 5: gonna be kept off guard. You know, they're gonna be
Speaker 5: They're gonna do some good work and do some other
Speaker 5: work and they're not exactly make the credit for and
Speaker 5: then the main creative force is gonna be a man
Speaker 5: on Triple H. And I don't think that changed when
Speaker 5: will don't get their heads out of the stand and
Speaker 5: realize people won't go for Jerry springer swork, but the
Speaker 5: Jerry Swing Spreinger Show and when to understand did good
Speaker 5: you know, did good enough?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 5: The four show I assume is doing doing that. It's
Speaker 5: you know, Sunday Sunday night shows NXC and those shows.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not san Terry Springer Swos even though
Speaker 5: I got to see the great you know, the way
Speaker 5: I got to spend time with the great Harry Wife
Speaker 5: he was. I guess I'm friendle But you know, if
Speaker 5: if the money works, they can afford them, and they
Speaker 5: they're they're successful. I don't know, So that's you know,
Speaker 5: that's one of that war shots fired and it was
Speaker 5: just released. It would be cool if you watched the
Speaker 5: final Nitro box Fialcas and and and see what why.
Speaker 5: Well you can't because w SE Nitro stops in nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety six. But now you'll get to do that at
Speaker 5: some point. And I guess, I guess Jason, they added
Speaker 5: I saw a whole bunch of E C W. But
Speaker 5: I think you know, E C W W. You've got
Speaker 5: to addit that. I mean, you've got to have the
Speaker 5: generic music, and that's that's no fun, and that God
Speaker 5: knows some of the other you know, some of the
Speaker 5: other content. More Today, it's got to be I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm assuming that's editor if you're gonna you know, you
Speaker 5: don't see why e c W. I mean I think
Speaker 5: I think you have searched out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that's going to be difficult they
Speaker 4: I mean, they're definitely gonna have to trim some of
Speaker 4: that music off there. I think they'll leave. Content wise.
Speaker 4: I think they leave it and just put up some
Speaker 4: sort of a disclaimer. I'd be surprised they did too
Speaker 4: much with that. I mean, you can still see Chris
Speaker 4: Benjan different things, and so they're just kind of leaving.
Speaker 4: They're kind of boasting like as is type thing. But
Speaker 4: the music is a different story. What was the other
Speaker 4: part of Oh, Swerved? I've seen a couple of the episodes.
Speaker 4: They're positioning it pretty strongly in that they like to
Speaker 4: air it right after raw, and so I'm sure they're
Speaker 4: getting decent numbers just for that reason. People still how
Speaker 4: or why they'd want a WWE fix after three hours
Speaker 4: and fifteen minutes, I don't know why, but I'm sure
Speaker 4: they do get some people going there right afterward. It's
Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't watched the Jerry Springer show. Swerve
Speaker 4: doesn't do much for me. But it's kind of mindless TV.
Speaker 4: I've done it myself. Row's over and I'm still working
Speaker 4: on things, and they'll just kind of have it on
Speaker 4: in the background. So it's kind of perfect as far
Speaker 4: as just being my English. And I don't know that
Speaker 4: it always shows the talent in the best light, but
Speaker 4: it's if you've seen the prank shows on m t V,
Speaker 4: it's just a watered down, very light w w E
Speaker 4: corporate version of those. You know, they're never going to
Speaker 4: go too far with anything, and so it's just it's
Speaker 4: it's a pretty came version of I guess is the
Speaker 4: one that they used to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think people, I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: it's more popular. They get more views than say, the
Speaker 5: you know, than the Nitro shows, than the you know,
Speaker 5: the the the old programming has not been a huge
Speaker 5: success to say the least. I mean, it's at the
Speaker 5: bottom of the bottom, with the exception of you know,
Speaker 5: I think the Special Facts are famous rustlersise and I
Speaker 5: know that I know that the second show last Monday Night,
Speaker 5: Dustin Leves produced by this man with the jarry Laller
Speaker 5: hosting on Aniston Ritt Flair together and you know, j
Speaker 5: j Dillon and Michael Hayes. They were very happy to
Speaker 5: ab so that they can so you know, we'll see
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