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Speaker 1: here fifty five KR City Talk Station, looking forward to
Speaker 1: this segment all morning. Always enjoy hearing from our favorite
Speaker 1: Ken Blackwell. He really needs no introduction from my listening audience.
Speaker 1: By by way of background, former mayor of the City
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, Ohio State Treasurer and Hio Secretary of State.
Speaker 1: He's an activist, he's an author, and he's with the
Speaker 1: American First Policy Institute as the chair of the Center
Speaker 1: for Election Integrity. He is Ken Blackwell. Ken, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for green to spend some time with my
Speaker 1: listeners and me this morning.
Speaker 2: Brian, it's always good to be with you.
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure having you on and right out of
Speaker 1: the gate. Of course, you know what happened on early
Speaker 1: Saturday morning here in the city of Cincinnati, the beatdown
Speaker 1: experienced by two people. We don't know what led to
Speaker 1: the beatdown, but no one can justify it, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be that many people are trying to
Speaker 1: justify it, although some are how it could be justified.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. No one is deserving of that
Speaker 1: kind of treatment, most notably the woman who got punched
Speaker 1: Kolcock right in the face by some guy. Your response,
Speaker 1: your reaction, and I know you've digested mayor aftab provols
Speaker 1: very late in the game, reaction to the incident. What's
Speaker 1: your take on this, Ken Blackwell, what my take is.
Speaker 2: At the first obligation of local governments is to provide
Speaker 2: safe neighborhoods and safe streets. And it doesn't take a
Speaker 2: rocket scientist to know that Cincinnati is experiencing a rise
Speaker 2: in street crime. Now there are those who would say, well,
Speaker 2: it's not valent crime. But one of the things that you,
Speaker 2: you know, if you've been around on the basis a
Speaker 2: little bit, is that if you reward or ignore bad behavior,
Speaker 2: or you're going to get this more bad behavior and
Speaker 2: the escalation. So the first thing is that we we
Speaker 2: have to admit that we have a problem in terms
Speaker 2: of the situation itself. You know, no matter how you explain,
Speaker 2: if it started out as a fight between two people,
Speaker 2: that to fight between two people, but you know, unless
Speaker 2: you're going to us not to believe our lion eyes,
Speaker 2: what we what we saw is that what might have
Speaker 2: started us a fight between two people escalated into a
Speaker 2: mob action, a beatdown which can never be which can
Speaker 2: never be justified. And the and the and the reality
Speaker 2: is is that if you start to excuse this, uh,
Speaker 2: it means that you ignore the fact that Cincinnati has
Speaker 2: a problem. And the first I mean local leaders should inspire, hope,
Speaker 2: create the opportunity, and bring people together. And there's been
Speaker 2: a failure in bringing people together in terms of respecting
Speaker 2: each other's human human dignity. We have a challenge, and
Speaker 2: if we try to downsize it in terms of how
Speaker 2: we define it and misdefine it, the problem is just
Speaker 2: going to get worse. As I've told you on a
Speaker 2: number of casions, Brian, great cities are not the products
Speaker 2: of great governments, but rather the products of good people
Speaker 2: doing great things together. And that's a challenge in Cincinnati right.
Speaker 1: Now well, and it seems to be driven at least
Speaker 1: over the last i'd say maybe ten years or so,
Speaker 1: the politics of division. Everyone. You're divided, you're divided. You're
Speaker 1: not in this group, you're not part of my group.
Speaker 2: I hate you.
Speaker 1: You you must agree with me.
Speaker 2: Or you're not.
Speaker 1: I mean that it's it's as if there is this
Speaker 1: concerted effort and I'm going to point to the left
Speaker 1: hand side of the ledger for stirring the pot of division.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter on what subject matter. LGBTQ plus division. Division,
Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump, evil Orange Man division, division, it's
Speaker 1: just division. And then of course there's this racial elements
Speaker 1: that stirred in there. Police are inherently racist. Division. You
Speaker 1: like the police, then you're a racist. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the mantra we've been hearing now for a long time.
Speaker 2: Ken. It's it's it's it's a real problem, and it
Speaker 2: starts to reveal itself in numbers. I mean, there is
Speaker 2: a decline in our recruits of folks to serve as
Speaker 2: officers of the piece of of of police officers on
Speaker 2: on our on our street. Uh. There is a real
Speaker 2: declinient in the morale of those who are on board. Uh.
Speaker 2: How how many times can you here, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: kill the pigs, you know, defund the police. Uh and
Speaker 2: uh and time after time you you watch a judicial
Speaker 2: system that is divided. Half of the judges, you know,
Speaker 2: use our apprehensions of criminals and our criminal justice system
Speaker 2: as a revolving door. Uh. Mechanism and and and so
Speaker 2: folks are arrested and put right back on a street,
Speaker 2: cause problems, human misery. Uh and you and you only
Speaker 2: have half of our judges that understand that it is
Speaker 2: in the in keeping with their responsibility to provide safe
Speaker 2: streets and safe neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: And that seems to be where the biggest breakdown is
Speaker 1: and that results, you know, going back to law enforcement.
Speaker 1: If the police on the streets are the ones that
Speaker 1: you know, pick up the bad guys, whether they witness
Speaker 1: the crime or not. They're there to find the suspects.
Speaker 1: They present them to the prosecutor's office. And if you
Speaker 1: have a zealous prosecutor, that only goes so far. If
Speaker 1: they end up in front of a liberal judge, they're
Speaker 1: out on no bond. And then of course if they
Speaker 1: get sentenced because they're convicted or and are a plea deal,
Speaker 1: they're let out on the streets with little or no
Speaker 1: penalty to pay. There's the bottom line. It's the judicial system.
Speaker 2: Right and and it has a compounding effect. You know,
Speaker 2: I've worked with some of the nation's leading economic thinkers,
Speaker 2: and one of the simple things that you understand as
Speaker 2: a local leader that's concerned with the economic prosperity uh
Speaker 2: and the safety of your community. Is that capital seeks
Speaker 2: the path of lease, resistance and greatest opportunity, and capital
Speaker 2: hates crime, yes, uh And so so what what happens
Speaker 2: is that when you have a lots of days ago
Speaker 2: left leaning, stupid approach to crime fighting and the creation
Speaker 2: of safe communities, there's no way that you're going to
Speaker 2: get the uh investment of capital uh to expand your economy,
Speaker 2: create jobs, put your people uh to work uh And
Speaker 2: and as a consequence, you just see things, you know,
Speaker 2: getting worse and worse, and populations. You know, when you
Speaker 2: when you are at a time when you want to
Speaker 2: just arrest the client and and and uh outward flow
Speaker 2: of population uh, you find yourself being uh stuck with
Speaker 2: that that that's sort of that sort of decline and
Speaker 2: that's you know, that's what's so distressing about people who
Speaker 2: want to put on blinders uh and and and not
Speaker 2: tell people the challenge that we face when we see
Speaker 2: this sort of the vision uh and destructive uh, destructive
Speaker 2: attitudes in play. You know, bring inspire hope, create opportunity,
Speaker 2: bring people together and understand the first responsibility of local
Speaker 2: government is to make sure that the people are safe.
Speaker 1: Amen, Ken Blackwell, you know, and I've been struggling to
Speaker 1: understand why it is the city leaders. And this is
Speaker 1: something that Christopher smithm brings up regularly when he comes
Speaker 1: on my program, which is the deafening silence from the
Speaker 1: council members as well as the mayor about supporting outlaud
Speaker 1: out and advocating working with the police, not against them.
Speaker 1: That flies in the face of the whole police are terrible,
Speaker 1: defund the police movement. So that's a very far left attitude.
Speaker 1: But they don't say anything. And I think one of
Speaker 1: the reasons is because they're trying to downplay the reality
Speaker 1: of crime in downtown Cincinnati for the reasons you point out.
Speaker 1: If you talk about crime, then people are going to
Speaker 1: get the perception of there's crime, and people are not
Speaker 1: going to want to move into or otherwise invest in
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati. But that just ignores the fact
Speaker 1: that the crime is there.
Speaker 3: So stands Yeah, and and and you you try to
Speaker 3: spin when when people can see the sort of division
Speaker 3: is sort of mob action that we experienced this past weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that that just creates a frustration of people who have
Speaker 3: a capability a movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, movie moving or not considering. I mean we've
Speaker 1: made national actually, we a global head lines with this.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw there's an article on there's violence
Speaker 1: in the Hindu Times of all places, so Fox News headlines,
Speaker 1: it's on CNN. Everybody's talking about it. You know, Dan
Speaker 1: Well Ken Blackwell that there's maybe a business or some
Speaker 1: person out there that might have been considering Cincinnati as
Speaker 1: an option for investment or to move and they looked
Speaker 1: at that and it's like, no, I'm taking them off
Speaker 1: my list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and right, I'm seventy seven years old. I've lived
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati all of my life. I've just I've been
Speaker 2: a homeowner, a political leader, you know, you name it.
Speaker 2: But I realize that people vote with their feet. We
Speaker 2: are highly mobile. And what happens is that your city
Speaker 2: becomes poor and poor, smaller and smaller, you know, And
Speaker 2: that's the challenge of local leadership. And they cannot forget
Speaker 2: the capital seeks the path of least existence and greatest opportunity,
Speaker 2: and capital hates crime.
Speaker 1: Well, it's pause. Bring Ken Ken Blackwell back. Got some
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Speaker 1: K see the talk station seven twenty here fifty five
Speaker 1: K see the talk station Brian Thomas with the incomparable
Speaker 1: Ken Blackwell commenting on some of the issues, of course,
Speaker 1: went over the violence downtown. You mentioned capital seeking, the
Speaker 1: path of lease resistance. Ken, I couldn't agree with you
Speaker 1: more on that, and someone who knows all about that.
Speaker 1: A wildly successful entrepreneur and the next governor of the
Speaker 1: state of Ohio. I understand you were as much of
Speaker 1: a fan, perhaps as I am, of V. V Ramaswami,
Speaker 1: according to polling and everything else I can see. I've
Speaker 1: talked to him many times. I've been impressed with him
Speaker 1: since I interviewed him after he wrote Woke Incorporated. A
Speaker 1: brilliant man he is. I think he's going to make
Speaker 1: an outstanding governor. He seems to have great ideas. Your
Speaker 1: comments on VV.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you I've watched since he was a
Speaker 2: high schooler at the same Xavier uh only regretted that
Speaker 2: we couldn't get him over to Xavier University. Uh. Yeah, Uh,
Speaker 2: he will make a great governor. And his his his
Speaker 2: not only his worldview, but his understanding of the basics
Speaker 2: is is phenomenal. You know, he and I have talked
Speaker 2: on occasion in the past, Uh a basic understanding about
Speaker 2: the economic situation uh in Ohio. He he understands, as
Speaker 2: I've preached for a long time, that if you tax something,
Speaker 2: you get less of it. If you, you know, subsidize something,
Speaker 2: you get more of it. The problem in America and
Speaker 2: and and the challenge in Ohio today is that we're
Speaker 2: taxing work, savings investment. Uh and and as a consequence, Uh,
Speaker 2: he understands the challenge. And I think he has a
Speaker 2: set of proposals that we will unleash, uh the talent
Speaker 2: in Ohio get us back on a on a path
Speaker 2: of rapid growth. And I've been up on his response,
Speaker 2: uh and his comments on the sort of division and
Speaker 2: the sort of the crime that he saw on the
Speaker 2: streets of Cincinnati, and Uh, I think he's he's well
Speaker 2: positioned as a fundamental understanding of how to put us
Speaker 2: on a accelerate track of economic growth, prosperity, safety. Uh
Speaker 2: and and and he has a vision, uh to to
Speaker 2: to make Ohio not just one of the best states
Speaker 2: in the United States, but the premier state. Uh and
Speaker 2: and I tell our buddy down in Florida, watch out,
Speaker 2: you know that is coming. That's great.
Speaker 1: One of the things I'm really excited about. As a
Speaker 1: magnet for business and industry from the four corners of
Speaker 1: the world. We can make Ohio the leading power generator
Speaker 1: by greasing the skids and moving forward with the concept
Speaker 1: that I've been pushing for now for years, embracing the
Speaker 1: small modular nuclear reactors. They're small, tiny footprint, don't generate
Speaker 1: the ways they can make create massive amounts of power.
Speaker 1: If you build it, they will come. And he is
Speaker 1: all about.
Speaker 2: That, Oh he really is. And one of the things
Speaker 2: I just I shad again. He has to he has
Speaker 2: to inspire hope uh and and and and he's and
Speaker 2: he's good at that. You know. He has to make
Speaker 2: people feel that no one is too small of an
Speaker 2: entity to be part not to be part of of
Speaker 2: this Ohio uh boom yeah and and and so I
Speaker 2: tell people you know who might think, you know, they're
Speaker 2: too small or they can't have impact because they are
Speaker 2: individual I tell them all the time, Brian. You know,
Speaker 2: if you think you're too small to be effective, you've
Speaker 2: never been in the dark and dark room with a mosquito.
Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, that that sort of inspiration I think
Speaker 2: is important. But again, it starts with having a vision
Speaker 2: of Ohio being not one of.
Speaker 1: The best, but the best, the best, and that's what
Speaker 1: he is. He is aspiring to bring about from the
Speaker 1: state of Ohio. And you know, you can't say enough
Speaker 1: about that man, at least as far as you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't hear VV speak and not be enthused. He
Speaker 1: is one of those people that makes you feel uplifted,
Speaker 1: like you do have a possible future, like there is
Speaker 1: going to be something better down the road, and I
Speaker 1: think he's the man to deliver on it. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to encourage my listeners to follow you on Facebook,
Speaker 1: Ken Blackwell. You make some outstanding comments, You do some
Speaker 1: terrific posts, stay on top of the issues, and I
Speaker 1: wish I could talk with you for the next three hours,
Speaker 1: but sadly, sadly, we're out of time. Can you know
Speaker 1: you are always welcome on my program. I appreciate what
Speaker 1: you do each and every day and God bless you.
Speaker 2: Sir, right back gets you gotta bless you.
Speaker 1: Buy take care Ken Blackwell seven twenty five. Coming up
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