WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:16.359 S sh I have seven h six here a forty 2 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:18.679 five KRC decalk station. Are you have to Tuesday team 3 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:22.519 made extra special in studio from the Hudson Instito Miami 4 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:25.320 University or University or Miami University as well. Bring him 5 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:27.920 acgown and he's here to talk about energy policy, among 6 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:30.440 other things. Head on over to Hudson dot organ and 7 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:35.479 check out what they do. They talk about defense, international relations, economics, energy, technology, 8 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:39.759 culture and the law. Helping policymakers make better decisions. Good 9 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:41.159 to see you break them. Always a pleasure to have 10 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:43.920 you in the studio. Thanks Brian also responsible for the 11 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:46.200 Charged Conversation podcast. 12 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:47.240 You should check that out. 13 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:49.159 Or he talks about energy policy, which we're going to 14 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:50.359 be talking about here in the studio. 15 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:52.759 What's the most recent episode focused on. 16 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.759 Yeah, the most recent episode is Iron's and Richmond Peaceful 17 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.439 Use or Weapons Path to War. 18 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:04.200 They talk about enrichment and there's weapon grade enrichment of uranium. 19 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:06.879 They use these centrifuges and this is beyond It's like 20 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:08.760 the peace of God. For me, I don't understand how 21 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:12.959 it's done, but fundamentally, the centrifuge are used to enrich 22 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:15.560 the uranium to the point where it can be used 23 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.879 as a nuclear weapon. But in terms of what's used 24 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:24.200 in your modern day nuclear reactor compared to weapons grade, 25 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:28.159 what percentages are we talking about? What's the difference here? 26 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:30.680 Are they really close to each other? Are they miles 27 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:32.120 apart in terms of enrichment? 28 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:35.120 Well, Brian, you know what you are asking the magical question, 29 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:37.840 because I think once we talk about this, it's going 30 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:41.640 to be pretty crystal clear to anybody listening that Iran 31 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.719 is not pursuing a peaceful path to civilian nuclear power. 32 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:47.079 And that's all we ever hear. 33 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:48.879 Oh no, no, all we do is want to have 34 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:53.159 it for our own power generation. But what's what's the reality, 35 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:55.840 what's behind the veneer of that argument? 36 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:58.519 Well, when we take uranium two thirty five and just 37 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:02.079 look at it, it's point seven of one percent enriched, 38 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.239 which isn't enough. That's laying around on the ground, that's 39 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.639 in its natural stake. It's in its natural stake. So uh, 40 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:11.680 it needs to be enriched to three to five percent 41 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.800 for civilian nuclear use. Three to five percent. 42 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:17.919 That doesn't sound like very much at all. 43 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:18.520 No, it's not. 44 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:22.280 And it's relatively safe and stable, and that's enough to 45 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:27.280 sustain a chain reaction of generating heat continuously, and that's 46 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.199 what we need to boil water to turn turbines to 47 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:31.319 make electricity. 48 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:34.360 Pretty simple, simple as that, it is, all right, Well, 49 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:35.840 what's where's the'ron? 50 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:36.400 Right now? 51 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:40.360 Up until a moment ago in Israel blew the crap out, Well, 52 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.159 to the extent they did that much damage, let's assume 53 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:44.919 for the sake of discussion, they did able. They were 54 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:47.479 able to hit the centrifuges, which are buried underground. But 55 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:49.360 where were they and what were talking about in terms 56 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:49.919 of enrichment. 57 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.560 Well, what they promised to not go beyond was three 58 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:55.719 point seventy five percent. That was under the Obama deal. Right, 59 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:59.439 we'll give you gazillions of dollars and you promised not 60 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:03.039 to nucas deal. So today they said it's sixty percent. 61 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:10.240 Oh, what other use can sixty percent enrich uranium be 62 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:11.080 put to? 63 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:16.319 Well, I suppose you could take the four hundred kilograms 64 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:18.000 and I'm gonna have to do a quick conversion, but 65 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:20.800 I think they're like nine hundred pounds, so I'll have 66 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.080 to check that out. I think a kilogram is two 67 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:26.639 pounds two pounds, all right, So eight hundred pounds of 68 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:28.520 this stuff, and I guess you could dilute it and 69 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:33.400 have enough power to fuel I don't know, thirty fifty 70 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:37.080 nuclear power plants for the next five hundred years or 71 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:42.759 or catch me on this. The technical leap is to 72 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:47.680 enrich it up past fifty percent. Once you get to sixty, 73 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.159 an actual bomb only needs eighty. That's a very quick 74 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:53.960 Within a few days, you could go from sixty to eighty. 75 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.560 So my guess is, and I'm going way out on 76 00:03:57.599 --> 00:03:59.960 a limb here, is that they're trying to make bomb. 77 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:02.639 Gee, it doesn't seem like it's going on in a 78 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.960 limb too much there, bring I know. And then you 79 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.719 combine that with their ballistic missiles. They've gotten really good 80 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:08.599 at rockets. 81 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.560 Right, They've gotten really good at rockets, and you put 82 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.159 a payload on there, and look, even if you can't 83 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:17.240 even if we say, well look, making a detonation device 84 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:19.839 to go nuclear is not so easy, Well fine, you 85 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.399 just load all this material on a bunch of missiles, 86 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:25.639 dirty bomb, and you do dirty bombs all over Israel. 87 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:29.079 And that's what Israel was saying, was they forecast that 88 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:33.120 Iran had about two thousand ballistic missiles and within a 89 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.600 couple of years they'd beat to six, eight, ten thousand. 90 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.279 You're not going to stop that many. So they crossed 91 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.680 the rubicon and said enough's enough. If nobody else is 92 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:42.199 going to put an end to this, we will. 93 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:44.680 Well, and Trump gave him that sort of window. 94 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.399 He didn't call it a red line, but he said, 95 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.399 you know, we need to negotiate a deal within sixty days. Now, 96 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:51.680 I think with hindsight we can say there was some 97 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:54.639 measure of coordination with what Israel was going to do 98 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:59.000 and that sixty day window, and maybe Trump said, listen, Benjamin, 99 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:01.279 just hold off. I know you're going to get ready 100 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:03.240 to strike them, and there's nothing I can do to 101 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.680 stop you from doing that, but let me just do 102 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:07.879 this sixty day window, because if we can really get 103 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.319 them to sit down and take this discussion seriously, maybe 104 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.680 we can avoid an all out conflict. Well, sixty days 105 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.240 came and went Day sixty one. Israel's bombing the hell 106 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:17.800 out of the run. 107 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:19.879 Yeah. I think that's absolutely right. 108 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.120 And you know, to be fair, I think you know, 109 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:25.240 Trump meant what he said, let's try to get a deal. 110 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:27.399 But I think if you look back at the Iranians 111 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:31.000 and what they've learned from subsequent previous I'm sorry for 112 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:32.720 previous administrations. 113 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:33.639 Nothing. 114 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:38.439 Yeah, and from Western Europe is there's no resolve, no consequences, 115 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.800 no consequences, just want to talk. It's like if we 116 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.079 have a son or daughter at home, a threatening, repeating 117 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:49.079 parent with no consequences. You know, they get more time, 118 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:52.879 they continue down the path, and they even get money 119 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:54.279 for doing this. It's a great gig. 120 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:58.319 Yeah, it is. And that's another nefarious element to all this. 121 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:02.839 But going back to your I just I latched onto it. 122 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.399 Going from sixty percent to the eighty percent. You need 123 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.439 to make an all out nuclear weapon, you said on 124 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:08.920 it takes a couple of days to do that. 125 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.800 Yeah, if you have the right enrichment, because it's once 126 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.720 you get to a certain point and you have that 127 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:20.279 much material, it's pretty easy to condense down. You know, 128 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:25.079 imagine this is not quite the correct analogy, but you know, 129 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:26.959 you have a bunch of salt and salt water, you 130 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.360 boil off the water, you're left with one hundred percent salt, 131 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.480 same kind of deal, and you know, and you know, 132 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:39.480 a perfect bomb would be around ninety percent, but eighty works. 133 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.439 Well, which makes me want to go back to the 134 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:46.399 dirty bomb concept. I would think sixty percent enriched uranium 135 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.800 in a bomb would create a pretty horrific scenario if 136 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:53.360 it got dispersed in the air, in the atmosphere. 137 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:53.519 It really would. 138 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:57.439 Whether it's air dispersed or a surface detonation, you're going 139 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:01.759 to contaminate large swaths of life, land, property. You will 140 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:06.319 kill people, maybe not all at once, but through radiation poisoning, 141 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:10.040 and you'll make large areas of land uninhabitable for many, 142 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:10.800 many years. 143 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.839 I suppose one reluctance Iran would have to doing that 144 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.439 is and I don't know. I guess logistically speaking, if 145 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:20.800 you got sixty percent and it doesn't take that much 146 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.560 more time to get it to eighty percent, why haven't 147 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.000 they already done that? Or maybe they have, I mean, 148 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.759 we don't have people inside the building, I guess looking 149 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:30.959 at it and testing the level of enrichment going on 150 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.439 in there. Do we, maybe the Israeli defense forces to 151 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:38.879 given the amazing military accomplishment of getting all those drones 152 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:40.800 in there for close ends drone strikes, But. 153 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:44.959 Do we even really know? 154 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:48.160 I think we know that it's at least at sixty percent. 155 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.720 The Israelis are reporting that they have at least one 156 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:54.199 crude bomb already made, which begs the question that maybe 157 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:57.600 they were already up to eighty to ninety percent. But 158 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.160 you know, the Israelis are very good. They are very 159 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:04.720 good at their intelligence, and we're also relying on the 160 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.040 United Nations, the ia A. 161 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:08.879 No, we're going to get to that part of the 162 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:13.839 conversation a little bittier too, but yeah, Mosad is well 163 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.360 known for its amazing intelligence coups. 164 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:18.120 They really are. 165 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.600 And you know, all this stuff is well planned out 166 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.759 in advance. It's not by happenstance. 167 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:26.120 No, And that's going back to them getting all of 168 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:29.879 the drone capabilities and the strike capabilities inside the interior 169 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.600 of Iran, which when the start of this conflict they 170 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.240 unleashed that was years of preparation, presumably absolutely. 171 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:40.840 And the Iron Dome David Slang, the American Patriot, and 172 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:46.120 THAD missile batteries were all designed to make Iran think twice, 173 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.960 which is why Iran was going to overwhelm the systems. 174 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.480 And as we've seen this week, some of those missiles 175 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:56.279 have gotten through. And whereas Israel has targeted the military 176 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:01.080 industrial complex and the energy complex, is has been targeting 177 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:02.320 Israeli cities. 178 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:06.519 Now, is that because is that by intent or going 179 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.799 back to the capabilities of Iranian missiles and their accuracy 180 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.240 used to be. You know you had scuds, right, and 181 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.559 those are basically bottle rockets. You know, you just launched 182 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:16.519 them where they fell wherever they fell, kind of like 183 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:19.960 what Hesballa was doing with its rockets. But did they 184 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.679 intentionally target civilians in Tel Aviv and elsewhere or were 185 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.679 those just missiles that didn't hit some sort of military target. 186 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:28.000 Yeah. 187 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:34.159 I think most experts agree that their missile systems and 188 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:37.720 their telemetry data has gotten very good and that you 189 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.799 know they are targeting specific cities. And to your point, 190 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:43.320 back during desert storm, yeah, I remember the scuds. You 191 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:45.879 never knew where they were going to go. No, but no, 192 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:47.320 this is a different ballgame now. 193 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:51.559 Sadly, sadly, and you know, I contrast that and nobody 194 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.639 wants to see death of any type civilian death. Is 195 00:09:54.679 --> 00:10:00.679 it's a sad consequence of war. But not a lot 196 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.679 of Israelis have died. I think there was eight overnight 197 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:07.679 in the most recent Iranian missile strike. And you know, 198 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.720 I think of a big missile coming in and blowing 199 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.639 up in a heavily concentrated area of the population. You 200 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:15.360 kind of expect something larger than. 201 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:15.919 That, you do. 202 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:19.320 The Israelis, like the Ukrainians, have a very good early 203 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:23.240 warning system. It's on your phone. They have heavily fortified 204 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.919 bunkers underground. I see, so you know they get. 205 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:27.200 The heads up. 206 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:30.960 But a ballistic missile, you've got fourteen minutes from takeoff 207 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:31.480 to landing. 208 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:33.279 I mean it flies at the edge of space. 209 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:35.759 It's not like a drone where you have eight hours 210 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:37.480 to you know, have a cup of tea and think 211 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:37.919 about it. 212 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:40.399 We'll continue with Briga mcgowand from the Hudson Institute on 213 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:42.480 these and a lot of other topics we got for 214 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:45.240 this hour radio. I hope you can stick around. It's 215 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:47.399 seven sixteen right now. 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Obviously they're not trying to build civilian nuclear 275 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:33.240 technology with that level of enrichment. That's a fun fact 276 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.480 we all learned today. But in terms of domestic energy policy, 277 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:39.480 we can talk a little bit about prehaps later. But 278 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:43.360 I love that Trump removed California's waiver to allow them 279 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.000 to dictate electric vehicles to the rest of the country. 280 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.320 So freedom of choice in terms of how we want 281 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:54.639 to drive around. I love that concept. But we were 282 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:57.600 talking off the air about pipelines. You just recently were 283 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:02.399 in Alaska and they're planning on trying to build a 284 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:06.159 ANL LG export, Yes, pipeline. 285 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:06.559 Yeah. 286 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:09.720 So Alaska has a tremendous amount of natural gas that's 287 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:11.519 on tap because there's no way to get it out 288 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.759 of the state. In fact, there's really no way to 289 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:15.799 get it even off of the North Slope. Uh. 290 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:17.120 And it's it's a shame. 291 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:22.519 Its position geographically means that Alaska is already halfway to Asia. 292 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:27.320 So for years the planners have talked about another pipeline 293 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:30.000 like like the one I used to run, except instead 294 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.600 of oil, it's going to be natural gas. And we'll 295 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.120 take that natural gas to the coast, can press it 296 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:38.600 into LNG right, right and so, and then transport it 297 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.840 to Asia, where it makes a lot of sense. So, 298 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:48.600 unlike previous administrations which had banned any such talk, President 299 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:53.120 Trump had three Cabinet secretaries EPA Administrator Lee z Elden, 300 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:58.360 Secretary of Energy Chris Wright, and Secretary of the Interior 301 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:02.279 Doug Bergham up in Alaska to say, we're here to 302 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:05.919 clear anything. What do you need? How can the federal 303 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.440 government help? This is your state. It's not Alaskas it's 304 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:14.399 not Washington d C. State, it's not Massachusetts state, it's Alaska. 305 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.399 Governor Dunlevy, what do you want to do so. 306 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:20.279 Let's say that again. Well, okay, we're gonna build a pipeline. 307 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.320 The problem with anything like the XL pipeline, it's one 308 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.840 environmental activist lawsuit after another. I mean, unless you get 309 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:32.759 rid of the legal vehicle to run into courts to 310 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:35.639 have these things stop, you're going to have delay period 311 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:38.240 into story, regardless of the outcome of the lawsuit, it's 312 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.120 going to take years of work its way through. And 313 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:43.559 oddly enough, even though they ultimately get approval, all the 314 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.559 lawsuits have been fought and won by the pipeline builders. 315 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.120 As we saw the XL pipeline, magically, another lawsuit or 316 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.480 challenger impediment pops up and ends up in the way 317 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.360 again Brigham, what do we do about that or how 318 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:55.000 do we stop that? 319 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:59.720 Well, look, it's organized lawfair right, Clearly these NGOs and people. 320 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.639 Climate is a religion to certain people, and they are 321 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:05.159 held bent that we cannot. 322 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:06.080 Can I say that on the air? 323 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:06.639 Yes you can. 324 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:10.399 Okay, sorry about that, not to allow us to use 325 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:11.399 fossil fuels. 326 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:13.360 Period. It's become a religion. 327 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.879 And the fact is right, our energy mix will change, 328 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:18.440 but we have to use fossil fuels. 329 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:19.080 And you're right. 330 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.399 It's not really about oh, you didn't study this, or 331 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.559 you forgot to consult with this group of people. 332 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.720 It's all. It's all bs. 333 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.799 They want it to stop these projects and make it 334 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.600 so untenable. Nobody wants to risk their cash building one. 335 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:38.080 Of these things. 336 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:42.039 And that works presumably. I mean, I guess I kind 337 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:44.399 of speculate and sort of ponder my navel about how 338 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:49.120 many projects just never even got close to off the 339 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.399 ground because of that very challenge. Yeah, there's been a 340 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:52.679 lot of them. You know, we used to be a 341 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.759 nation of builders. We built things. Now it's turned into 342 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:01.320 we can't. But some recent decisonsions by the Supreme Court 343 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.400 on what NIPA means, what you have to do, had 344 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.319 been helpful. You know, everybody throws NIPA around. I hear 345 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:08.720 it all the time in DC. Oh, it's a bed 346 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.440 rock environmental lag. No, it's not Clean Water Act Clean 347 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.599 Air Act. Fine, it's a procedural rule, like the rules 348 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.640 of civil procedure. How you have to do something, and 349 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.400 just because you have a paperwork or administrative error doesn't 350 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.759 mean you throw the entire thing out. And we can 351 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.119 study things to death, right. Keystone Hotel was studied longer 352 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:30.839 than it took us to win World War Two, and 353 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.559 yet we didn't study it enough well. And going back 354 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.559 to the project you work on, which was the Alaska Pipeline, 355 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:39.839 the original one. And I remember the commercials for getting 356 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.759 workers go up to Alaska, Alaska. We're working in Alaska, 357 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.759 and they showed pictures of the pipeline being built. You 358 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.240 can point it out through the off air. It only 359 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:50.000 took three years to build the whole damn thing. 360 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:56.640 Yeah, eight hundred miles in the Arctic, across hundreds of creeks, rivers, streams, 361 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.640 mountains minus forty degrees. 362 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.319 Yeah, bear hostile environment, maybe, and yet it only took 363 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.559 thre years about eight hundred miles worth the pipeline and 364 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:10.000 it's been totally safe for almost fifty years. Yep, Coral, 365 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.559 it's no, it's not crazy. 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