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Speaker 1: Charged Conversation podcast.
Speaker 2: You should check that out.
Speaker 1: Or he talks about energy policy, which we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about here in the studio.
Speaker 2: What's the most recent episode focused on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the most recent episode is Iron's and Richmond Peaceful
Speaker 3: Use or Weapons Path to War.
Speaker 1: They talk about enrichment and there's weapon grade enrichment of uranium.
Speaker 1: They use these centrifuges and this is beyond It's like
Speaker 1: the peace of God. For me, I don't understand how
Speaker 1: it's done, but fundamentally, the centrifuge are used to enrich
Speaker 1: the uranium to the point where it can be used
Speaker 1: as a nuclear weapon. But in terms of what's used
Speaker 1: in your modern day nuclear reactor compared to weapons grade,
Speaker 1: what percentages are we talking about? What's the difference here?
Speaker 1: Are they really close to each other? Are they miles
Speaker 1: apart in terms of enrichment?
Speaker 3: Well, Brian, you know what you are asking the magical question,
Speaker 3: because I think once we talk about this, it's going
Speaker 3: to be pretty crystal clear to anybody listening that Iran
Speaker 3: is not pursuing a peaceful path to civilian nuclear power.
Speaker 2: And that's all we ever hear.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, all we do is want to have
Speaker 1: it for our own power generation. But what's what's the reality,
Speaker 1: what's behind the veneer of that argument?
Speaker 3: Well, when we take uranium two thirty five and just
Speaker 3: look at it, it's point seven of one percent enriched,
Speaker 3: which isn't enough. That's laying around on the ground, that's
Speaker 3: in its natural stake. It's in its natural stake. So uh,
Speaker 3: it needs to be enriched to three to five percent
Speaker 3: for civilian nuclear use. Three to five percent.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like very much at all.
Speaker 4: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: And it's relatively safe and stable, and that's enough to
Speaker 3: sustain a chain reaction of generating heat continuously, and that's
Speaker 3: what we need to boil water to turn turbines to
Speaker 3: make electricity.
Speaker 1: Pretty simple, simple as that, it is, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: what's where's the'ron?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 1: Up until a moment ago in Israel blew the crap out, Well,
Speaker 1: to the extent they did that much damage, let's assume
Speaker 1: for the sake of discussion, they did able. They were
Speaker 1: able to hit the centrifuges, which are buried underground. But
Speaker 1: where were they and what were talking about in terms
Speaker 1: of enrichment.
Speaker 3: Well, what they promised to not go beyond was three
Speaker 3: point seventy five percent. That was under the Obama deal. Right,
Speaker 3: we'll give you gazillions of dollars and you promised not
Speaker 3: to nucas deal. So today they said it's sixty percent.
Speaker 1: Oh, what other use can sixty percent enrich uranium be
Speaker 1: put to?
Speaker 3: Well, I suppose you could take the four hundred kilograms
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna have to do a quick conversion, but
Speaker 3: I think they're like nine hundred pounds, so I'll have
Speaker 3: to check that out. I think a kilogram is two
Speaker 3: pounds two pounds, all right, So eight hundred pounds of
Speaker 3: this stuff, and I guess you could dilute it and
Speaker 3: have enough power to fuel I don't know, thirty fifty
Speaker 3: nuclear power plants for the next five hundred years or
Speaker 3: or catch me on this. The technical leap is to
Speaker 3: enrich it up past fifty percent. Once you get to sixty,
Speaker 3: an actual bomb only needs eighty. That's a very quick
Speaker 3: Within a few days, you could go from sixty to eighty.
Speaker 3: So my guess is, and I'm going way out on
Speaker 3: a limb here, is that they're trying to make bomb.
Speaker 1: Gee, it doesn't seem like it's going on in a
Speaker 1: limb too much there, bring I know. And then you
Speaker 1: combine that with their ballistic missiles. They've gotten really good
Speaker 1: at rockets.
Speaker 3: Right, They've gotten really good at rockets, and you put
Speaker 3: a payload on there, and look, even if you can't
Speaker 3: even if we say, well look, making a detonation device
Speaker 3: to go nuclear is not so easy, Well fine, you
Speaker 3: just load all this material on a bunch of missiles,
Speaker 3: dirty bomb, and you do dirty bombs all over Israel.
Speaker 3: And that's what Israel was saying, was they forecast that
Speaker 3: Iran had about two thousand ballistic missiles and within a
Speaker 3: couple of years they'd beat to six, eight, ten thousand.
Speaker 3: You're not going to stop that many. So they crossed
Speaker 3: the rubicon and said enough's enough. If nobody else is
Speaker 3: going to put an end to this, we will.
Speaker 2: Well, and Trump gave him that sort of window.
Speaker 1: He didn't call it a red line, but he said,
Speaker 1: you know, we need to negotiate a deal within sixty days. Now,
Speaker 1: I think with hindsight we can say there was some
Speaker 1: measure of coordination with what Israel was going to do
Speaker 1: and that sixty day window, and maybe Trump said, listen, Benjamin,
Speaker 1: just hold off. I know you're going to get ready
Speaker 1: to strike them, and there's nothing I can do to
Speaker 1: stop you from doing that, but let me just do
Speaker 1: this sixty day window, because if we can really get
Speaker 1: them to sit down and take this discussion seriously, maybe
Speaker 1: we can avoid an all out conflict. Well, sixty days
Speaker 1: came and went Day sixty one. Israel's bombing the hell
Speaker 1: out of the run.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's absolutely right.
Speaker 3: And you know, to be fair, I think you know,
Speaker 3: Trump meant what he said, let's try to get a deal.
Speaker 3: But I think if you look back at the Iranians
Speaker 3: and what they've learned from subsequent previous I'm sorry for
Speaker 3: previous administrations.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and from Western Europe is there's no resolve, no consequences,
Speaker 3: no consequences, just want to talk. It's like if we
Speaker 3: have a son or daughter at home, a threatening, repeating
Speaker 3: parent with no consequences. You know, they get more time,
Speaker 3: they continue down the path, and they even get money
Speaker 3: for doing this. It's a great gig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And that's another nefarious element to all this.
Speaker 1: But going back to your I just I latched onto it.
Speaker 1: Going from sixty percent to the eighty percent. You need
Speaker 1: to make an all out nuclear weapon, you said on
Speaker 1: it takes a couple of days to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you have the right enrichment, because it's once
Speaker 3: you get to a certain point and you have that
Speaker 3: much material, it's pretty easy to condense down. You know,
Speaker 3: imagine this is not quite the correct analogy, but you know,
Speaker 3: you have a bunch of salt and salt water, you
Speaker 3: boil off the water, you're left with one hundred percent salt,
Speaker 3: same kind of deal, and you know, and you know,
Speaker 3: a perfect bomb would be around ninety percent, but eighty works.
Speaker 1: Well, which makes me want to go back to the
Speaker 1: dirty bomb concept. I would think sixty percent enriched uranium
Speaker 1: in a bomb would create a pretty horrific scenario if
Speaker 1: it got dispersed in the air, in the atmosphere.
Speaker 4: It really would.
Speaker 3: Whether it's air dispersed or a surface detonation, you're going
Speaker 3: to contaminate large swaths of life, land, property. You will
Speaker 3: kill people, maybe not all at once, but through radiation poisoning,
Speaker 3: and you'll make large areas of land uninhabitable for many,
Speaker 3: many years.
Speaker 1: I suppose one reluctance Iran would have to doing that
Speaker 1: is and I don't know. I guess logistically speaking, if
Speaker 1: you got sixty percent and it doesn't take that much
Speaker 1: more time to get it to eighty percent, why haven't
Speaker 1: they already done that? Or maybe they have, I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't have people inside the building, I guess looking
Speaker 1: at it and testing the level of enrichment going on
Speaker 1: in there. Do we, maybe the Israeli defense forces to
Speaker 1: given the amazing military accomplishment of getting all those drones
Speaker 1: in there for close ends drone strikes, But.
Speaker 2: Do we even really know?
Speaker 3: I think we know that it's at least at sixty percent.
Speaker 3: The Israelis are reporting that they have at least one
Speaker 3: crude bomb already made, which begs the question that maybe
Speaker 3: they were already up to eighty to ninety percent. But
Speaker 3: you know, the Israelis are very good. They are very
Speaker 3: good at their intelligence, and we're also relying on the
Speaker 3: United Nations, the ia A.
Speaker 1: No, we're going to get to that part of the
Speaker 1: conversation a little bittier too, but yeah, Mosad is well
Speaker 1: known for its amazing intelligence coups.
Speaker 4: They really are.
Speaker 3: And you know, all this stuff is well planned out
Speaker 3: in advance. It's not by happenstance.
Speaker 1: No, And that's going back to them getting all of
Speaker 1: the drone capabilities and the strike capabilities inside the interior
Speaker 1: of Iran, which when the start of this conflict they
Speaker 1: unleashed that was years of preparation, presumably absolutely.
Speaker 3: And the Iron Dome David Slang, the American Patriot, and
Speaker 3: THAD missile batteries were all designed to make Iran think twice,
Speaker 3: which is why Iran was going to overwhelm the systems.
Speaker 3: And as we've seen this week, some of those missiles
Speaker 3: have gotten through. And whereas Israel has targeted the military
Speaker 3: industrial complex and the energy complex, is has been targeting
Speaker 3: Israeli cities.
Speaker 1: Now, is that because is that by intent or going
Speaker 1: back to the capabilities of Iranian missiles and their accuracy
Speaker 1: used to be. You know you had scuds, right, and
Speaker 1: those are basically bottle rockets. You know, you just launched
Speaker 1: them where they fell wherever they fell, kind of like
Speaker 1: what Hesballa was doing with its rockets. But did they
Speaker 1: intentionally target civilians in Tel Aviv and elsewhere or were
Speaker 1: those just missiles that didn't hit some sort of military target.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think most experts agree that their missile systems and
Speaker 3: their telemetry data has gotten very good and that you
Speaker 3: know they are targeting specific cities. And to your point,
Speaker 3: back during desert storm, yeah, I remember the scuds. You
Speaker 3: never knew where they were going to go. No, but no,
Speaker 3: this is a different ballgame now.
Speaker 1: Sadly, sadly, and you know, I contrast that and nobody
Speaker 1: wants to see death of any type civilian death. Is
Speaker 1: it's a sad consequence of war. But not a lot
Speaker 1: of Israelis have died. I think there was eight overnight
Speaker 1: in the most recent Iranian missile strike. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think of a big missile coming in and blowing
Speaker 1: up in a heavily concentrated area of the population. You
Speaker 1: kind of expect something larger than.
Speaker 4: That, you do.
Speaker 3: The Israelis, like the Ukrainians, have a very good early
Speaker 3: warning system. It's on your phone. They have heavily fortified
Speaker 3: bunkers underground. I see, so you know they get.
Speaker 4: The heads up.
Speaker 3: But a ballistic missile, you've got fourteen minutes from takeoff
Speaker 3: to landing.
Speaker 4: I mean it flies at the edge of space.
Speaker 3: It's not like a drone where you have eight hours
Speaker 3: to you know, have a cup of tea and think
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: We'll continue with Briga mcgowand from the Hudson Institute on
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Speaker 1: Seven one here if you have five KRC the talk
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Speaker 1: bring him account in the studio, mister energy policy expert.
Speaker 1: He is moving away from Iran and the war that's
Speaker 1: going on. Obviously they're not trying to build civilian nuclear
Speaker 1: technology with that level of enrichment. That's a fun fact
Speaker 1: we all learned today. But in terms of domestic energy policy,
Speaker 1: we can talk a little bit about prehaps later. But
Speaker 1: I love that Trump removed California's waiver to allow them
Speaker 1: to dictate electric vehicles to the rest of the country.
Speaker 1: So freedom of choice in terms of how we want
Speaker 1: to drive around. I love that concept. But we were
Speaker 1: talking off the air about pipelines. You just recently were
Speaker 1: in Alaska and they're planning on trying to build a
Speaker 1: ANL LG export, Yes, pipeline.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Alaska has a tremendous amount of natural gas that's
Speaker 3: on tap because there's no way to get it out
Speaker 3: of the state. In fact, there's really no way to
Speaker 3: get it even off of the North Slope. Uh.
Speaker 4: And it's it's a shame.
Speaker 3: Its position geographically means that Alaska is already halfway to Asia.
Speaker 3: So for years the planners have talked about another pipeline
Speaker 3: like like the one I used to run, except instead
Speaker 3: of oil, it's going to be natural gas. And we'll
Speaker 3: take that natural gas to the coast, can press it
Speaker 3: into LNG right, right and so, and then transport it
Speaker 3: to Asia, where it makes a lot of sense. So,
Speaker 3: unlike previous administrations which had banned any such talk, President
Speaker 3: Trump had three Cabinet secretaries EPA Administrator Lee z Elden,
Speaker 3: Secretary of Energy Chris Wright, and Secretary of the Interior
Speaker 3: Doug Bergham up in Alaska to say, we're here to
Speaker 3: clear anything. What do you need? How can the federal
Speaker 3: government help? This is your state. It's not Alaskas it's
Speaker 3: not Washington d C. State, it's not Massachusetts state, it's Alaska.
Speaker 3: Governor Dunlevy, what do you want to do so.
Speaker 1: Let's say that again. Well, okay, we're gonna build a pipeline.
Speaker 1: The problem with anything like the XL pipeline, it's one
Speaker 1: environmental activist lawsuit after another. I mean, unless you get
Speaker 1: rid of the legal vehicle to run into courts to
Speaker 1: have these things stop, you're going to have delay period
Speaker 1: into story, regardless of the outcome of the lawsuit, it's
Speaker 1: going to take years of work its way through. And
Speaker 1: oddly enough, even though they ultimately get approval, all the
Speaker 1: lawsuits have been fought and won by the pipeline builders.
Speaker 1: As we saw the XL pipeline, magically, another lawsuit or
Speaker 1: challenger impediment pops up and ends up in the way
Speaker 1: again Brigham, what do we do about that or how
Speaker 1: do we stop that?
Speaker 3: Well, look, it's organized lawfair right, Clearly these NGOs and people.
Speaker 3: Climate is a religion to certain people, and they are
Speaker 3: held bent that we cannot.
Speaker 4: Can I say that on the air?
Speaker 2: Yes you can.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry about that, not to allow us to use
Speaker 3: fossil fuels.
Speaker 4: Period. It's become a religion.
Speaker 3: And the fact is right, our energy mix will change,
Speaker 3: but we have to use fossil fuels.
Speaker 4: And you're right.
Speaker 3: It's not really about oh, you didn't study this, or
Speaker 3: you forgot to consult with this group of people.
Speaker 4: It's all. It's all bs.
Speaker 3: They want it to stop these projects and make it
Speaker 3: so untenable. Nobody wants to risk their cash building one.
Speaker 4: Of these things.
Speaker 1: And that works presumably. I mean, I guess I kind
Speaker 1: of speculate and sort of ponder my navel about how
Speaker 1: many projects just never even got close to off the
Speaker 1: ground because of that very challenge. Yeah, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of them. You know, we used to be a
Speaker 1: nation of builders. We built things. Now it's turned into
Speaker 1: we can't. But some recent decisonsions by the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: on what NIPA means, what you have to do, had
Speaker 1: been helpful. You know, everybody throws NIPA around. I hear
Speaker 1: it all the time in DC. Oh, it's a bed
Speaker 1: rock environmental lag. No, it's not Clean Water Act Clean
Speaker 1: Air Act. Fine, it's a procedural rule, like the rules
Speaker 1: of civil procedure. How you have to do something, and
Speaker 1: just because you have a paperwork or administrative error doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you throw the entire thing out. And we can
Speaker 1: study things to death, right. Keystone Hotel was studied longer
Speaker 1: than it took us to win World War Two, and
Speaker 1: yet we didn't study it enough well. And going back
Speaker 1: to the project you work on, which was the Alaska Pipeline,
Speaker 1: the original one. And I remember the commercials for getting
Speaker 1: workers go up to Alaska, Alaska. We're working in Alaska,
Speaker 1: and they showed pictures of the pipeline being built. You
Speaker 1: can point it out through the off air. It only
Speaker 1: took three years to build the whole damn thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, eight hundred miles in the Arctic, across hundreds of creeks, rivers, streams,
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Speaker 1: Yeah, bear hostile environment, maybe, and yet it only took
Speaker 1: thre years about eight hundred miles worth the pipeline and
Speaker 1: it's been totally safe for almost fifty years. Yep, Coral,
Speaker 1: it's no, it's not crazy. It's illustrative of what can
Speaker 1: be done if you don't stand in the way of progress.
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Speaker 1: Seven thirty here fifty five KERCD talk station, Happy Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Brian Tolmas to bring Mcowan from the Hudson Instuit check
Speaker 1: out his podcast, Charged Conversation. He's an energy expert, you know,
Speaker 1: further to energy and further this, you know climate religion,
Speaker 1: and it is you got to think a leap of
Speaker 1: faith to think that our exhalation is killing the planet.
Speaker 1: And then you know, a volcano blows up and a
Speaker 1: belch is more carbon into the atmosphere than all of
Speaker 1: the removal that we have engaged in over the past
Speaker 1: twenty years. I mean, it's just a reality, and we're
Speaker 1: fighting an impossible battle. Know it's notably since we all
Speaker 1: breathe the same air, being in the same globe. China
Speaker 1: doesn't give a crap about the environment. They talk a
Speaker 1: little bit of talk about global warming or climate change,
Speaker 1: but keep building coal plant after coal plant. Why because
Speaker 1: it's in their best interest. And I believe thoroughly in
Speaker 1: my heart of hearts that China is one of the
Speaker 1: one perpetuating this global myth that you and I are
Speaker 1: responsible for changing the climate. Why because everything related to
Speaker 1: achieving zero emissions is made by the damn Chinese Communist Party.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't deny that. And and I move
Speaker 1: over from that to looking at like what Ukraine was
Speaker 1: able to accomplish. I know they're losing that war, but
Speaker 1: the idea that they were able to smuggle drones into
Speaker 1: Russia and have them ready to launch, and Russia had
Speaker 1: no idea that Israel was able to move all kinds
Speaker 1: of weapons systems into the heart of Iran and launch
Speaker 1: them without the Iranians knowing about it. We are literally
Speaker 1: allowing that every single day in our country the kill
Speaker 1: switches on all the solar panels and all the electric equipment,
Speaker 1: relying on that it was built using Chinese manufactured components.
Speaker 1: You had mentioned off air, the shipping and the cranes,
Speaker 1: everything that operates in our ports is was built by
Speaker 1: the Chinese.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very true. And you know this is not
Speaker 3: by accident. They're very methodical. They've thought through this very carefully.
Speaker 1: Kind of like the massad in Israel thinking very carefully
Speaker 1: in advance about launching an attack on Iran.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, well, hey how about that. And let's not
Speaker 3: forget I'm waiting for this too. I'm waiting for people
Speaker 3: to put two and two together. You talked about Ukraine
Speaker 3: getting drones into Russia.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: The Mussad getting drones into Iran. Why do you think
Speaker 3: the Chinese are buying up farm land next to you.
Speaker 1: I've made that parallel in the Morning Show in the past.
Speaker 1: You're right exactly. I'm sure they have big you know,
Speaker 1: barns and warehouses and things where you can stalk away.
Speaker 1: You know, you hell, you can order a drone on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Had that thing rigged up with an explosive device they
Speaker 1: can get their hands on C four You know, absolutely.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's not beyond the room. It almost
Speaker 1: seems like it's just a matter of like when when
Speaker 1: is it going to happen? You know, when the lights
Speaker 1: go off Brigham, when big power shut down happens, that's
Speaker 1: the day you know that Taiwan's getting invaded or we are.
Speaker 3: Well and you know the good news is Admiral Paparo,
Speaker 3: who is the Indo Paycom commander responsible for everything from
Speaker 3: Pearl Harbor to Asia F eighteen pilot naval aviator.
Speaker 4: He's a pretty smart guy and.
Speaker 3: He's on it, on it in what sense he's changing
Speaker 3: our strategies up. He is building airfields so that we
Speaker 3: can start dispersing forces to keep the Chinese guessing he's
Speaker 3: increasing our materials, missiles, fuel stock, deterrence. Deterrence is back
Speaker 3: in fashion because it works. Well, yeah, it's worked in
Speaker 3: terms of keeping nuclear war at day for well since
Speaker 3: the World War two. And we'll be reversing our decision
Speaker 3: to relocate the Marines out of Okinawa to Guam.
Speaker 4: Not going to do that anymore. They're going to stay there.
Speaker 2: Well, that's welcome, welcome by the Japanese population.
Speaker 3: Is actually it's welcome by They've had a change in
Speaker 3: governments and they realize that China is a significant threat
Speaker 3: as they as the Chinese continue to push outward from
Speaker 3: China into what we call the first island chain to
Speaker 3: the second island chain.
Speaker 1: Well, they've been doing that for years in the South
Speaker 1: China Sea. How they've been building their own islands they
Speaker 1: have for peaceful purposes, Oh yeah, right, yeah, nothing like
Speaker 1: an airstrip that's designed obviously for massive sized military aircraft. No, no, no, no, nothing,
Speaker 1: this is just for seven thirty sevens or something.
Speaker 4: Well, and they've militarized them.
Speaker 3: And so I think the United States again was naive
Speaker 3: and taking you know, Brian, I don't know. We're in
Speaker 3: Midwestern as we take people at face value. If you
Speaker 3: tell me something, I'm going to believe it. But you
Speaker 3: can't do that with people that don't share the same values,
Speaker 3: or the same legal system, or the same ethos that
Speaker 3: Americans do.
Speaker 4: We're a little naive.
Speaker 1: We are very naive. We train and educate their people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we allow them access to our technology. I mean in
Speaker 1: a world with the Internet alone, you can easily steal something.
Speaker 1: You know, the days of having to do a drop
Speaker 1: in the park, you know when the Soviet Union was around,
Speaker 1: I mean those days are over. You don't have to
Speaker 1: go copy documents and papers. I'm saying something that's so obvious,
Speaker 1: but you know that's going on every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right here in Cincinnati, we've had a Chinese national arrested
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Speaker 1: Pivoting over the EU. I mean, I always like the
Speaker 1: energy policy. It's like a cautionary tale, you know. And
Speaker 1: in California is another cautionary tale. They spend outrageous amounts,
Speaker 1: they shut they over regulate refining facilities at the point
Speaker 1: where they just leave. It's like anybody else, if you
Speaker 1: have the means to leave, you leave. And the population
Speaker 1: of California is only maintaining some you know, connection with
Speaker 1: balance because of the illegal immigrant population coming in there.
Speaker 1: There's lots of statistics on that one. For all the
Speaker 1: Americans that leave with their money and go elsewhere where
Speaker 1: the taxes are lower and the energy prices aren't so high,
Speaker 1: it's just replaced by illegal immigrants. So whether or not
Speaker 1: that actually stands true, but they have regulated themselves into
Speaker 1: a painful situation. And if you look at the European Union,
Speaker 1: it's a great illustration of what's going to happen if
Speaker 1: you pursue blindly wind and solar as your sole mechanism
Speaker 1: of energy generation. It does not work on a regular,
Speaker 1: reliable basis.
Speaker 4: It doesn't, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things we talk about in
Speaker 3: the United States. For a number of years, we went
Speaker 3: from the builders, the doers make it happen to oh,
Speaker 3: my gosh, we have to start regulating stuff. We have
Speaker 3: to start taxing stuff, because people that don't understand innovation,
Speaker 3: people that don't understand business or the economy, it scares them.
Speaker 3: And for many, many years, the EU, especially with the
Speaker 3: growth in Brussels and taking nationalism away from the individual studies,
Speaker 3: has all about control and regulations are controls. So the
Speaker 3: European Union has long positions itself as a global regulatory superpower.
Speaker 3: But what they don't get is the more you regulate,
Speaker 3: the more you kill innovation, the more you kill business.
Speaker 3: Prosperity has jobs, there's no money.
Speaker 1: See Germany, Yes, econtally powerhouse, one of the economic powerhouses
Speaker 1: of the world. And they have, you know, gotten to
Speaker 1: the point where electricity is what four times the price
Speaker 1: of what we'd regularly pay here or more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has really taken a turn for the worse.
Speaker 3: Now with the recent elections there, the Greens have been
Speaker 3: kicked out. They were pulling at eight percent, and so
Speaker 3: there's been a realization then well, you know what, maybe
Speaker 3: we need some more electricity. But the damage has been done.
Speaker 3: The de industrialization of Germany has occurred. You can't build
Speaker 3: things in Germany any longer. It's too expensive.
Speaker 2: Well, and they've all gone evy.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're basically the substitute for California. Now the
Speaker 1: California's waiver has been taken away and they can no
Speaker 1: longer dominate the direction of what we choose to do
Speaker 1: by way of transportation. And I know hybrids are a
Speaker 1: big thing, but how California didn't want hybrids either. They
Speaker 1: wanted zero internal by engines. So but the European Union
Speaker 1: is still going in that direction. I mean, Porsche is
Speaker 1: not even going to make eternal combustion engines anymore among
Speaker 1: other manufacturers, and that's like, that just seems crazy to me.
Speaker 1: It's what their country or company was built on, what
Speaker 1: they're known for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is crazy.
Speaker 3: And again, if we're not careful, China will take that
Speaker 3: away from everybody, because you know.
Speaker 2: They do it with slave labor.
Speaker 1: They do everything cheaper and quite often, from my understanding,
Speaker 1: their evs actually are pretty amazing things.
Speaker 3: They are pretty good, you know, but it's not a
Speaker 3: fair comparison, right, because everything from China is government subsidized.
Speaker 3: There is no such thing as pre market, free market
Speaker 3: economy or a private company. And I was thinking about
Speaker 3: this during the earlier wouldn't you rather build things in
Speaker 3: the West, in Germany, in the United States, where we
Speaker 3: actually do have an EPA, we do actually have OSHA,
Speaker 3: we do actually have laws and regulations that make sure
Speaker 3: it's going to be produced safely, cleanly and efficiently.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: And that's the badcraping thing about the European Union because
Speaker 1: when the lights go off because the wind ain't blowing
Speaker 1: in the sun ain't shining. Uh, they're getting their their
Speaker 1: natural gas powered plants and getting that from from Russia. Yeah, Russia,
Speaker 1: who also does not have environmental regulations and rules. And
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's not as clean a fuel to
Speaker 1: burn as what we have here.
Speaker 4: Not at all.
Speaker 3: But you know, Brian, what's really troubling to me is
Speaker 3: this this notion of bureaucrats and technocrats that you can
Speaker 3: regulate everything to death. And uh, you know, they started
Speaker 3: this out with their privacy laws and know as a GDPR.
Speaker 3: If you do business in Europe. You know what the
Speaker 3: GDPR is. They're now pursuing it with AI. Guess what
Speaker 3: they're not going to have AI. And now they're positioning
Speaker 3: themselves as leaders on climate regulation, meaning if you import
Speaker 3: anything to Europe, you're going to have to tell them
Speaker 3: your carbon score.
Speaker 1: See that's again going back to the California having an
Speaker 1: impact on the rest of the United States. If you
Speaker 1: want to do business in the European Union, they're going
Speaker 1: to have some measure control over you. So yeah, as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, don't do business with them. Then
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry, we're not going to abide.
Speaker 3: Well, it may be hard to get stuff there. But
Speaker 3: it's called the CORB, the Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism, and
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Speaker 1: Seven fifty here for the five KRCD talk station Bron
Speaker 1: Thomas with bringing McAllen from the Hudson Institute, solving all
Speaker 1: the energy problems in the world, engaging in the thought process,
Speaker 1: involving common sense, logic and reason, and pointing out the
Speaker 1: failures of all this green stuff. Pivoting back to the
Speaker 1: state of California and going back to the refinery closures,
Speaker 1: I mean, the refineries just like we've had it up
Speaker 1: to our eyeballs. We're done and we can't afford to
Speaker 1: operate in the state. You've taken away our profit margins
Speaker 1: and also suing us, suing us for our climate change
Speaker 1: and our responsibility for climate change, which to me is
Speaker 1: the dumbest, dumbest thing. This isn't like the refineries were
Speaker 1: sitting on a bunch of inside information that their product
Speaker 1: was causing the temperature fluctuation in the world. They've been
Speaker 1: at this extraction of oil since what the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: I mean, prior to that, it was whale oil to
Speaker 1: keep your lamp slit. And then someone figured out kerosene,
Speaker 1: and then someone figured out gasoline, and you know, and
Speaker 1: cities were built on the use of these things. Now
Speaker 1: there was an INTERIMPERIODID call too, but I mean the
Speaker 1: world lives on it. Plastics are made with it. If
Speaker 1: you pulled the plug on all things petroleum right now,
Speaker 1: the world would come to a screeching halt.
Speaker 3: The world would come to a screeching halt. And before that,
Speaker 3: we deforested every tree Ohio, practically right, people still use dong. Yes,
Speaker 3: they burned dong for for heat and for cooking.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I went to the uh FC Cincinnati Stadium or the
Speaker 3: t QL Stadium, I guess, as I should call it,
Speaker 3: to watch uh a German match between the Germans and
Speaker 3: uh the New Zealanders. Great match. By the way, uh
Speaker 3: FC Munchin just destroyed and byron it was ten to nothing,
Speaker 3: I think. But there was there was a there was
Speaker 3: a guy standing in the concourse with a sign. There
Speaker 3: were there were a couple of position I said FIFA
Speaker 3: Climate Awareness and I watched this. I actually took a video.
Speaker 3: I sat there for a couple of minutes. Not a
Speaker 3: single person there were like just throngs of people going
Speaker 3: back and forth. I think the guy was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: here's our you know PC. Afterthought, nobody approached them, nobody
Speaker 3: talked to them. And I'm looking up at his plastic sign, going, guys,
Speaker 3: really and he's got a plastic vestiva and it's just
Speaker 3: Chris And look, we all want to be good stewards
Speaker 3: of the environment. We're not saying that right, but we're
Speaker 3: saying we have to live. And if we went back
Speaker 3: to pre industrial Revolution, you know, times weren't so good,
Speaker 3: the good old days, they weren't so great.
Speaker 2: No, they weren't.
Speaker 1: And then what will we go back to Lindsey Woolsey
Speaker 1: handmade shirts and I guess clogs.
Speaker 2: Oh I do, Like, wouldn't shoes that'd be great? Wouldn't
Speaker 2: teeth too wooden teeth? Exactly?
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you're right on the California refinery closures. They're
Speaker 3: witnessing a way of refinery closures for the reasons that
Speaker 3: you stated, yet they still, you know, use gasoline, to
Speaker 3: the point where Gavin Newsom, the governor, is now pleading
Speaker 3: with Phillip sixty six and Valero not to close two
Speaker 3: refineries because it's twenty percent of fuel, and gas prices
Speaker 3: are going to be at least another.
Speaker 1: Buck and they're already like four fifty on average out there,
Speaker 1: aren't they.
Speaker 4: Their five something today?
Speaker 2: So you'd be looking at six plus bucks a gallon?
Speaker 4: Yeah for regular stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know at some point that the citizenry
Speaker 1: is just going to explode.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, there's a if you live
Speaker 3: in the city and don't have a car, and we
Speaker 3: probably both.
Speaker 2: Know exactly what the global warming folks want.
Speaker 3: But you know, for the rest of us that have
Speaker 3: to drive to work, that have to drive to multiple jobs,
Speaker 3: that can't afford to live in the city, so you're
Speaker 3: commuting in and you better not take the subway. You
Speaker 3: might get lit up. Literally, you drive, it's the only
Speaker 3: way to get to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, complicated, it is, but again it's something that they
Speaker 1: have done to themselves. Everything out there is so much
Speaker 1: more expensive to do. And I mean, look what happened
Speaker 1: with COVID. Once people realize that they they were given
Speaker 1: a green light to work from home. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: one of the gifts that COVID nineteen gave us. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, you mean I don't have to commute anymore.
Speaker 1: My wife's been in joined that since since it all
Speaker 1: came to pass. She had a forty five minute commute,
Speaker 1: and now she's been in her office basement, you know,
Speaker 1: for the last several years. Absolutely loves it. We don't
Speaker 1: have to spend nearly as much on gasoline. She doesn't
Speaker 1: have a laundry bill, or rather a dry cleaning bill anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, feel sorry for the dry cleaners who went
Speaker 1: out of business as a consequence of that, But you know,
Speaker 1: we live, thrive and survive, roll with the punches, and
Speaker 1: then when people find out they can leave and still
Speaker 1: work at the same office, they leave, and then in
Speaker 1: California's case, the entire state. Yeah, there's better places to
Speaker 1: live out in the world. It has been a fun
Speaker 1: and broad ranging topic of conversation. Brigham account from the
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Speaker 2: You'd be glad you did. Always interesting and informative. Bring them.
Speaker 1: I look forward to having you back in. I know
Speaker 1: you've got some trips and meetings scheduled. We'll get an
Speaker 1: update from you when you come back. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. Brian, Thank you, I am too. Seven to
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