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As always, there's gonna be all matter of weeping and
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Many have told me there are so many injuries. This
has never happened. It's unprecedented. How many season ending injuries
are there now? For Quatro this is insane, as insane
in the membrane as the nineties U What was that?
Maybe that should be Cypress Hill insane in the membrane.
Maybe that should be our band of the day. What's
going on in uh in that BYU basketball program is
literally insane. We're gonna get into it. What it means
for the Cougar's quest for an NCAA tournament run and
how many games can they win without Richie Sanders as
part of the break three, the triple combination. Now it's
just a two man show, it seems. Who can step up?
Who will step up? We've been asking that question all
season long. Will it be Tyler Maruss, Will it be
Alexi Kostick, Will it be Conard Davis Junior? Will be
somebody else that they're gonna have to. We're gonna figure
it out real quick. The refining Fire is alive and
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Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 5: Happy?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Three day weekend to you guys, it was crazy.
Speaker 7: But Ben, I'm gonna be honest with you. I have
never in my life, and I told this to Brett
on Sunday, said, I feel like this is the Golden
State Warriors. When Kevin Durant tore the Achilles and Klay
Thompson like towards acl that team had aspirations of a
three pet and that, granted it's different, but it felt
like that just watching it, a man, any can anybody
else get injured? And it just it continued to happen,
and man, I just I feel bad because the heart
of this team, Richie Saunders, watching that and been normally
in the business when things are tight, lip it's not good.
And I knew it wasn't good because he never returned
back in here anything. I know he walked off under
his own power, But Richie Saunders is the player. If
he had his arm cut off, or if he was
bleeding profusely, he wouldn't complain. So I know he clapped
and gave a thumbs up, But I still was worried
throughout the whole thing. And then sure enough Sunday morning,
not good news.
Speaker 3: Been question of the day. How does the Richie Saunders
injury in particular impact your outlook on this Beatou basketball team?
You know, how far can they go? Are they an
NCAA tournament team without Richie? SOI I think they are,
but I'm gonna put that out there as a poll.
Or is this Billowy basketball team a NCAA tournament team
without Richie Saunders, yes or no? Why or why not?
Also without Richie Saunders? How far can this team go?
In the inception at the launch of this season, there
was much talk about a Final four run. That has
been derailed, completely demolish. It has been judo chopped in
the throat and it will be steinmied. There's no way,
no how right that this team can go to a
Final four. It would take a miracle. It would take
a miracle for this team to find its way with
two weeks remaining until we get into March, to make
a Final four run. Now, there's talent, there's plenty of
talent in the in the in the room, I think,
but these guys gotta get hot, they gotta get in fuego,
and I'm not optimistic that that can happen. Now. Most
of us you felt that quota was at least a
sweet sixteen run, and they felt that if you got
to an Elite eight, that was glorious. That's the peak
of BYU basketball. Them that's as far as we've ever gone. Yeah,
to go back to the Age era, to get to
an Elite eight, it's been four score and seven years ago.
I know it's not been you know, it's been you know,
it's been a minute. Okay, it's been a long time
since we've been to an Elite eight. So we've been
to a couple of Sweet sixteens. One was with Jim Ermania.
It was glorious, it was tremendous. And then most recently
led by Yegor Demon and the Top King and a
slew of great, tenured, experienced, battle tested okay basketball players
that were BYU threw and through the trevenels, the Dallon
halls right, the foose trail rays, the tray steward words
right that embodied who BYU was. They were a fail
safe as Jegor was developing throughout the season and became
a really really good basketball player in March, we're gonna
delve into it. Many BYU fans have texted me, they
DM me and said, ben BYU basketball is cursed. That's
what they've said. BYU basketball has a curse that we
need to figure out. How we got to get the
monkey off our back. We got to figure out what
this curse stems from. Because BYU has gone to more
NCAA tournaments than any other school in college basketball history
without a final four run and you thought, maybe hopefully
fingers crossed, that this would be their year. It doesn't
look that way, Bob, It does not look that way.
Let's bring in hammertime show. We got bread always bringing
the hammer, Bred hammer. How are you, sir good?
Speaker 8: I said I would do this last week as we
were discussing Parker Kingston. When we have to talk about
something sad, I want to bring something positive. My something
positive came from I was hanging out at the Jersey
Retirement there on Saturday and following Jim Or around and
tracking that guy down in a sea of people was
a whole job ended of itself, but as part of
that gig, I bumped into a couple apostles for the
Church of Jesus.
Speaker 3: Christ of the Lattery Saints.
Speaker 8: And I want to tell you something about some of
these gentlemen that you may not know because I didn't
know this, but I've taken some heat in my life.
I've always been a sneaker with suits guy, Always have been.
And I felt vindicated a couple of years ago when
they made it a business appropriate to wear sneakers with
your suits at the White House and said cool, got it.
Speaker 3: How don't even feel bad about this anymore.
Speaker 8: I officially no longer feel bad, and no one can
anyone at church whoever says, hey, it might more look
more like your priestt if you could wear dress shoes. Yeah,
well guess what I saw David A. Bednar rocking some
Nikes B dunks with a suit at the basketball game.
I saw Elder ras Man rocking some sneakers with his
suit as well. So look, I'm not saying they wear
sneakers in the temple.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 8: I don't know what they wear at church, but I'm
just saying Elder Bednar was looking super fly wearing Nike
SB dunks with his suit at the jim Or retirement.
I am happy to report the boots on the ground
journalism that I know everyone was concerned about.
Speaker 3: I got it for you. Yeah, And uh, you know,
I've I've taken heat over the years for wearing all
manner of different shoes to church. I love the shoes
that you wear to church, but I love it. Yeah,
and uh it's to me, it's it's less. It's less.
This is and this is one hundred percent accurate, and
and you can fight against me, but I think I
feel Ronnie's been around me enough to know my approach
in life is always function over fashion. But if I
can have fashion and function, they can go all day
every day. So like when I'm wearing you see me
every day, I wear a Nike one duck Boots. Duck Boots.
It's the most versatile, comfortable shoe ever created in my
It's wider, it's got really cushion and a lot of
good cushion. It's it's it's like orthodically aligned with my body.
It gives me a little ankle support because I'm a
I'm an ankle roller, you know what I mean. I
roll out a little bit, so I get a little
additional ankle support. It's got a soft cleat just in
case I want to, you know, run around on the
grass or if I want to golf in it. And
it's waterproof, especially during the winter Wonderland season. Like this
keeps my feet feats. He's nice and toasty. But look,
I can rock him in a suit and I feel
perfectly competent. And my knees, my ankles, my hips, my back,
they feel a whole lot better in my in these shoes.
So I think what you're seeing too is these men
are like, man, I want to be comfortable too, and
I've been you know, the the the the shoe game,
the dress shoe game. Remember in my mission, we were
wearing Doc Martin's one of the most heavy, clunky, like
uncomfortable shoes ever, and we wore them because they would
last a long time, right supposedly, you know, there was
so much, so much rubber on those bad boys. But
if you, if you, if you didn't walk in alignment,
like if you inverted or evert in a little bit,
you'd get like where and like you had to get
rid of them anyways, because they were they'd start to
like pronate or superinnate, you know, invert or evert your ankles,
so eventually had to get rid of it. That like
that's what we wore. We're just looking for something comfortable.
I think the brethren are just like, you know what,
I need to be comfortable because I'm getting old too.
So you're gonna go with a tennis shoe that's actually
comfortable for your feet, your ankles, your hips, your knees.
You just want to be comfy and thing it's less
about style.
Speaker 7: I wore Air Force ones that were white and I
had nothing.
Speaker 3: One said to me, it's comfort man. It's all about comfort,
comfort man, all about that comfort, function over fashion. But
if you can get function and fashion all day, every day,
do it. Guys, We got a great show for you.
Shout out to Vick Graham on the date aggregation and
the social media. Shout out to my man Jeremy Lyman.
Tune it in from Blanding, one of my favorite places
on Earth. Love Blanding and Blue Mountain Hospital. He says, Oh, man,
I'm not feeling too confident with our prospects for a
March Madness run without Richie. Many many are feeling this way.
There was all matter of weeping and wailing and national teeth.
When you saw Richie drive down the right side of
that lane and look to pass, not to score. He
planted the right knee. It buckled inward what we call
a vougus stress, and then he grasps it kind of buckled.
He grasped at the back of his knee and there
was a pivot shift. There was definitely this traditional. But
I was chatting with a number of my orthopedic surgeons
about this, and I sent him video of like, hey,
this to me, looks like an acl All day every day.
The only thing that gave me hope was that he
grasped the back of his knee rather than the front
of his knee. Many times with an aclchair you'll see
them grasp at the front of the knee because the shinbone.
In ACL tair, the shinbone will actually move anterior or
fur away from the femur. I was like, maybe, at best,
this is an MCL with a ladermaniscal tear. And if
that was the case, maybe possibly you could rehab. You
could brace him up, you could wear compression wear, and
he could play in in in the Big twelve tournament
or in the in March madness. That's not what happened.
He's out for the count. He's done. We're gonna get
into it here in the nitty gritty, but that check
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we got a great show for you. Appreciate you tuning in,
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Stor Dickson at four thirty for a Cougar beat Jonathan
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sound bites right and and and maybe discuss this BYU
Colorado game as well. BYU by the skin of their teeth,
got by the Colorado Buffs. It was. It was scary.
Let's be on the entire game. I was kind of
railing from the injury and and just thinking about how
this team is so shorthanded and there are so many
voids to fill as far as like skill set, personnel
and productivity that needs to step up in the absence
of Richie Saunders. Obviously, Rob Wright is he is one
of the quickest. He's definitely from a point guard standpoint,
there has never been a point guard. And we said
this when he came in, but I think we're seeing
that it come to parision. There has never been a
point guard like HUNTI Rob right the third that has
ever come through BYU. You know, it's never happened that
we have never experienced a player like Rob Right the Third.
He is a mongoose man. He is quick, he is
lightning lightning fast, and he's physical. He is so freaking twitchy,
and you know, and he's become a very very good
shooto over the last years at the collegiate level. So
an elite scorer played forty minutes, thirty nine points, twelve
of sixteen from the field, four to four from the
three point line, and eleven thirteen for the charity strike
five rebounds as well, five rebounds. I mean, you're gonna
have to play AJ and Rob Right the Third forty
minutes per game in order to stay alive. Canard Davis
Junior played thirty nine minutes, Kevin only played nineteen. Richie
obviously went out in one minute of play. Boop stepped up,
Mihailo stepped up, Tyler Moros stepped up, Abdullah Achmed stepped up.
And the guy that I've been calling for this entire
time that needed to step up, that I think has tremendous.
I think he's got from his town. I see his potential.
He just needs more confidence. I like Alexi Coastick. Some
people said he's horrible, he's trad they thought he would
be good and he's not. I'm like, I think he
just needs a little bit more confidence, He needs a
little bit more reps, he needs some more minutes, and
I think he could be something really good down the
stretch for us, because like I mean, Tyler, yeah, he's
been okay and he did step up in sixteen minutes
of play. But we need both those guys, Tyler, Alexi
and Mihilo as is we space the floor a little bit,
We need some we need some more scores on this floor.
But let's get into it BYU. But it's again to
their teams. In ot beat the Colorado Buffs ninety to
eighty six. They moved to nineteen and six on the season,
seven to five in Big Twelve play. In Colorado falls
fourteen and twelve on the season in four nine in
Big Twelve play, that would have been a devastating loss
for this Cougar basketball team. Let's get into some of
the sound bites to get into the postgame commentary with
k Y Kevin Young here on your Utah e SBN
Radio network. Let's start off with NU know Rob actually,
oh sorry, Kevin. This is Kevin Young's opening statement postgame.
Speaker 4: Statement, Yeah, glad we got to win. Bottom line.
Speaker 6: You know, the Big twelve is a tough league. You know,
you see it across the landscape, not just in our league,
but every league. You know, it's hard to win, bottom line,
So we had a lot working against us tonight. Proud
of our guys for stepping up, had some guys coming
off the bench and make huge plays. I'll get this
out of the way. I have no a bit on Richie.
I'm waiting to hear like everybody else. So with that,
I'll open it up with questions.
Speaker 3: Win is a win? Is a win in the Big twelve?
He says, not all wins are created equal in the
Big twelve, But the same time, is their truth in
that a win is win is a win, no doubt.
You gotta find ways to win in the Big twelve.
And even if it was at home, even if it
went in ot even if this is a team that
is well below five hundred, they're sitting at two fifty
four to nine right now. That is not a good
winning percentage in the Big Twelve. Colorado is arguably the
worst team in the Big twelve. Kansas State's right there,
drum tang getting tanked or getting uh getting uh uh
you know bid farewell for cause, by the way, that's
it's controversial there. We'll see you if the lawyers can
figure something out, uh before this goes to uh some
sort of a lawsuit. But uh, these a issues a
bad team too, But like, who's the worst team in
the Big twelve? Do you think is it Colorado? Is
it a issue? Is it Kansas State? You know what
I mean? Like they're all right there, like they are
all fighting hard to be the worst team in the
Big twelve. It is, surprisingly though, Colorado's still above five hundred,
and they're with their non conference schedule as well. So anyway,
I just wanted to point that out real quick, search
Potter and pray about it. Well, I'm gonna put that
one to a polo as well. Utah could be in
there as well. Utah's up there too. They're one and
eleven in Big twelve plays. Yeah, so with Utah, Yeah,
Utah should be in there too. I was giving them
a little bit of grace, but they they're right there too.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, bred No, I was just gonna say the
thing that's crazy about the Big twelve, Like, is it
seriously an anyone can beat anyone league. Like seriously, I
mean we saw was it TCU the other day that
beat Iowa State?
Speaker 3: And then I would say it goes and beat Houston.
Speaker 8: Like I'm not saying that Colorado or Utah are great,
but that's a very losable game, especially for US.
Speaker 3: Is a winners and win as a winning you gotta
celebrati such even though these are bottom dwelling Big twelve teams. Ronnie,
your thoughts, Uh, yeah, I still think it is. I think, look,
this is the SEC of basketball.
Speaker 7: You know it is because any SEC team, I mean
Alabama and Auburn band played a close ball game. Remember
it could have very well gone the other way, and
Alabama obviously pulled away. But we were looking at that,
you know Oklahoma. So yes, uh, yes, they may be
a bad team in this league, but if you were
to put them in a different conference, how much would
they they win?
Speaker 3: In the effect?
Speaker 7: Did you put him in the ACC if you were
to put him in the West Coast Conference? I think
who Colorado and the West Coast Conference. I think they're
up there as the top four team. And that's I'm
not trying to be you know, half hyperbole. I really
believe that Isaiah Johnson's a really good guard. Been in
the reason I don't think Colorado's the worst team. Go
back to last year. They beat TCU, they beat I
can't remember. I don't know if it was Baylor. Oh no,
it was Kansas State. They beat them in the Big Teal.
Termin like tap Boyle runs a very good program. Been
they have pretty much all underclassmen. They have one senior
on this roster, and they played BYU tough. Yes, Richie
went down and look what they were like their losses
if you go and look at it, besides Texas Tech
and getting embarrassed in Iowa State, they've lost by like
single digits, Like that's what they've done. So I think
the worst team is Kansas State. It's unfortunate Jeron ting
I can but I think Colorado is a good It
is a good team with the talent that they have
and how young they are, and I think if you
would have dropped them in another conference, I think they're
a top four team in that conference.
Speaker 3: No, it's an interesting debate. Big what do you got?
Speaker 9: I was just gonna say, if you watch the game Saturday,
they played with intensity. They those guys were playing for something.
I don't know if it was because their coach got
after him the game before by losing so much, But
those guys were hustling, they were playing good defense, and
they just look good.
Speaker 3: Look. Yeah, I mean they took it to the chin.
Versus Texas Tech, they lost by thirty. They did beat
Arizona State in the game prior they got beat by twenty.
Baylor's one of the bottom dwellers of the Big Twelve
right now. Baylor's not a good team for their record
in the Big Twelve. And they lost by twenty to Baylor.
And that's why. That's why I'm like, okay, like how
good is Colorado are? They just are they talented, but
they're just inconsistent. They did beat TCU, they lost by
thirty to Iowa State, they lost by nine to UCF.
They did keep it close with Kansas, and they've been
competitive in other games Cincinnati, and they were competitive in
the first go round with Texas Tech. So anyway, it's
an interesting study, no doubt. But a win is a
win is a win. Let's get back to it. Kevin Young,
what were the emotions when Richie went down?
Speaker 6: You know, you never know, you don't know what happened, right,
Obviously you don't know the severity of it and so forth,
which tys you stepped out. I told them I've not
heard on Richie, so just so everyone's on the same
page yet. But yeah, I mean I think it sucked
the life out of the gym.
Speaker 4: I'm being honest.
Speaker 6: You know, you never want to see an injury to
any player, but definitely to someone who's uh, you know,
heart and soul of our team bleed b Yu blue
and uh, you know, just didn't like seeing it. But uh,
you know, you gotta you gotta unfortunate. You gotta move on, right,
You gotta find a way to come in and channel
that emotion. Tyler did a great job of coming in
making a couple of shots, and then obviously Alex hit
it won.
Speaker 4: And hit the huge one there at the end.
Speaker 6: But you know, it's a team game, and guys got
to come in off the bench and be ready to go,
which we haven't done a lot of this year because
those those quote unquote other three guys have been so good.
Speaker 4: But I was proud of those guys that come in
and and ready to you know, contribute to the win.
Speaker 3: When Richie went down like Luckily he was able to
walk off under his own power. But like he was
down for a for a minute, he was down for
the count, the win, sing, the grabbing at the knee.
Richie's the type that is gonna bounce up if he can.
He's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna win, meal up, He's
gonna break, dance up. Like he's not gonna be down
for long. You know, he'll he'll play through the bloodied
mess that has occurred on his head in the past,
right like he probably concussed, got got got bloodied and
stitched up, and he's willing to play through it all.
So when that happened, I think all of Kugarnation was
just like, not Richie, Please, not Richie. You know, the
guy that deserves to finish his senior year as a loyal,
strong and true b y U kug having turned down
his former coach and Kentucky having turned down to the NBA.
I mean, he could have went, he could have gone, like,
he could have found his way probably as a maybe
a G League or maybe a second round NBA draft
pick last year. Possibly, It's just and now he's he's
going be limited in his value going forward because you're
not gonna be able to do the NBA combine, et cetera.
The good this sets back. Like from a personal standpoint,
there is the all Bay fans are We're rooting on
Richie more than any other guy. They want him to
succeed because he has bought in to Brigham, he has
bought into the culture, he has bought in. He he
is b wy you threw and threw he he embodies
everything that you want on and off the court from
your BYU student athletes. So I think it it's very
impactful internally, emotionally, psych psychologically for a lot of the
b YU fans see and Richie go down in particular.
Speaker 8: But I wonder if it's just as psychological in the
opposite direction for his teammates to say, we're not like,
we're not going out without a fight, like.
Speaker 3: I and Kevin Young.
Speaker 8: I'm so excited to get into his media availability tomorrow
because all the things you want to hear Kevin Young
say like he says them in this media availability. But
one of the things that he talks about is how
all of these guys are kind of loving the back
against the wall mentality. Kevin Young said, sometimes That's when
I feel like I do my best work.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 8: Everyone on this team understands that the national media is
riding them off due to Richie's loss. Kevin Young said
he thinks that's when he does some of his best coaching.
He talked about how he's like, look, I coached in
the minor leagues. I had times where minutes before a game,
I find out my best player is getting called up.
Speaker 3: He's like, this is just how it goes.
Speaker 8: I do wonder everything you just said about how mentally
and emotionally of.
Speaker 3: A toll this is on fans.
Speaker 8: I wonder if the players see this and for no
other practical statistical reason other than in their brains, they say,
I know we've played a certain way all season long.
We're not playing that way anymore because everybody else has
to make up for what we lost with Richie. It
takes me back to that, to that Jimmer clip when
he's talking about how Brandon Davies went out and Jimmer
goes to coach rosa time he says, how many points?
Speaker 3: How many do we need to get?
Speaker 8: And I think there's a lot of guys on the
team who have that same energy, say coach how many points,
how many rebounds, how many assists do we need to
make up for for Richie so that we can shoulder
his load. And I'm really excited to see what kind
of team we see with the mentality of having their
backs against the wall.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you. I look at I
do see plenty of talent. And by talent, you know
how I view talent. It's like your length, your athleticism,
your ability to shoot. Like you have Mihai in practice,
you have Alexi in practice, you have Tyler Maruss in practice.
Those guys are just they're on point, they have good mechanics,
they shoot the ball well, they're good athletes. They can
help win ball games. There's no doubt Kenard Davis Junior
is a better player than what he showcased up to
this point offensively. So they have talent, will they rise
to the occasion and the absence of Ritchie And maybe
that's all they that's what they needed. They need a
rally and cry, let's do it for Richie, do it
for the Gipper type of deal. And if that's what
it takes to extract the potential of his team, I
hate that it had to happen this way, but maybe
possibly they can make doubters into believers right now because
the expectation is significantly lowered without Richie than it was
with Richie. Let's get back to it. What did Colorado
do defensively hold Aj to six or twenty from the field.
Speaker 4: I think one on one defense. The kid ranch and
so stepped up to the challenge. You know, he's long
six eleven, long arms, good athlete. That was probably the
main point.
Speaker 6: They did pretty good job to off the ball with
helping and stuff, especially without Richie.
Speaker 4: You know, they could really load up on them.
Speaker 6: We were trying different things to put different people out
there to give him a little bit more space to plan.
Speaker 4: But that's kind of why we put the ball a
little bit more.
Speaker 6: In his hands and have Rob off the ball. Rosen
one of our best catching shoot guys all year, and
so you know, for me, the seven turnover is probably
what's the most concerning thing with AJ. That we can
help him with the shot making. I don't worry about,
you know, I thought he got fouled, if I'm being honest,
on probably three or four of those.
Speaker 3: That they.
Speaker 6: You know, but at his size to be able to
have eight assists I think says a lot about his growth,
you know, in terms of playing a little bit more
under control.
Speaker 4: So we got to clean those turnovers up.
Speaker 3: Tad Boyle was also asked a question head coach for Colorado,
how they they engage defensively schematically versues aj Debonnson. What
was their their game plan for this is? Tad Boyle,
head coach with Colorado, responded with the same question.
Speaker 5: Well, the first of all, Sebastian Ranchik did a phenomenal job.
I know he fouled out at the end, but he
did a phenomenal job with his discipline because the whole
key with I think with Garden him is being having
hand discipline and shot flight fake discipline at the end
of his drives. And I thought we did a great
job of that all night long, and that was a
big key to the game. The other thing we did
is we tried to really be into gaps on him
so he didn't have driving lanes because he is he's
so athletic he can get.
Speaker 4: To his spots.
Speaker 5: But I think it's a combination of Sebastian's individual effort
on him, as well as Josiah Sanders and Jalen Holland
when they were on him. But it was also a
team thing.
Speaker 3: Where we were gapped up and we made him not
let him play in space.
Speaker 5: If you let him play in space, he can he
can hurt you, and if you don't have hand discipline, he's.
Speaker 3: Gonna get to the free throw line. We did a
you did a great job.
Speaker 5: I thought of that all night long, and and so, yeah,
he's an hell of a player in transition. Man, he
gets going downhill. We tried to wall up a couple times,
and he's a he's a handful there. So but he's
obviously he's a heck of a player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the kudos to Sebastian. I mean he's six foot
eleven sorbian free two twenty and he moves extremely well
and he stayed grounded. Aj has been making hey all
season long off that pivot foot where he would he'd
get that little pump fake after getting you onto like
kind of onto his should a little bit, getting a
little bit a bit of a leverage on you, and
then get you up in the air, you know, dip
under you, you know, spin off of it, and then
fade away, especially when he's in the you know, close
to the key and right around the free throw line
and the elbow. He's very crafty for his size as
a point forward, and Sebastians stayed round it. So congratulations
man Den skating report was on point. He did a
really good job in six eleven with a hand in
your face with that length. I don't know if AJ's
really seen that this season when he's getting on one coverage.
So congratulations to Tarantrick. He was, he was very nice.
A couple of last things here, One last one here
from k Why what stood out to you Kevin the
most about Rob right the third career night.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't even know he had that many points,
to be honest with me, I looked down after the
game and was like, holy cow, he's just he's playing
the game right now at an incredible pace. In terms
of his control, I think he's doing a great job
of his biggest strength, his eating quickness, and I think
sometimes he gets him in trouble. But I think the
last couple of games he's done a fantastic job of getting.
Speaker 4: To the paint, playing under control, playoff two feet and uh.
Speaker 6: And then on top of that, like I said before
the other question, he's shooting the ball at a very
high clip on a catch and shoot situation. And you
know that's really helped kind of his efficiency and helped
him be a real scoring.
Speaker 3: Threat for it. Rob, Right, I mean, who's your player?
Confer Rob right? The way the forming fashion which he's
playing right now as a score as an athlete undersize,
but thick, he's got some density to him as well.
Who's your player comp right now, Brett, I was ringing
the hammer well before you.
Speaker 8: It's that the other thing I I as we're giving
Rob all this credit for how he played, let's also
remember that he tweaked his ankle at one point. He
did that, but that was after Richie had gotten injured.
I do, and clearly it didn't hamper him that much
because he played the rest of the game. But I
do wonder if Richie's still in. Is there a part
of Rob is his hey, and I need to take
us in and get this tweaked. But because Richie is
not available, he says, I don't care how I'm feeling
right now.
Speaker 3: I just gotta play. I just gotta go ball out.
Speaker 8: I like the point that you brought up earlier, like,
I don't know that we've seen a bau point guard.
Speaker 4: That just.
Speaker 3: One on one, you can't stop me. And we saw
this a little bit.
Speaker 8: If you remember in the offseason when AJ and Rob
were streaming live on Twitch and we saw those guys
go on one on one. Now, when we watched that,
we assed, Okay, this is one on ones in a gym,
it's impressive, but how does it play out in the game.
And what we're seeing from Rob is it doesn't matter
if it's in a gym, it doesn't matter where it is.
Speaker 3: One on one.
Speaker 8: You cannot guard me, You cannot stay in front of me,
you cannot stop me. And it's it's so I don't
even know who the player comp is. But from a
one on one standpoint Richie or a Rob has been
all that and more. Ronnie, what do you got for me?
Who's your player comp?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I played against this guy in high school.
Speaker 3: Got cooked.
Speaker 7: But and this is just a physicality of the game.
Jalen Brunson, the physicality of how physical Rob is like
Jalen Brunson is not big like he's very physical at
six foot right ben. He shoots better than Rob from
the three, but has the ball in his hands just
as much. And the way he's able to get downhill
and finish at the rim. And now Jalen, you know,
will do like the little stop and fade away, but
Rob pulls up on you. So that's kind of one
of the comps I thing and just the physicality and
how they both are elite guards, you know, the turnover margin.
You know, another guy was thinking about like when he
wants to facilitate like Tias Jones. If you remember what
Tias Jones kind of did. That was another guy as
I think of my comps. But I'm gonna take those
two and go a little bit in between because of that.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 7: Somebody, what is it a text to me over the
weekend and say he might be gore and dragage and
I'm like, that's a stretch.
Speaker 3: That's all. That's way.
Speaker 7: I know, like six four, like six four he got
he got long arms because he he was still sh
He's not athletic, but I'm gonna go Jayalen Brunson.
Speaker 3: But he was a freak through when he came out.
He's a freak and I think the this thing Rob
is a freak too.
Speaker 7: But I'm gonna go, uh, Jalen Brunson with the physicality
and then like Tias Jones of the style and how
he facilitates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna ponder on this because I uh, you know,
he's unique man and has never seen anything like him.
We'll go to break, we'll come back. What do you got?
One thing?
Speaker 8: I just asked Chad GBT, I said, who's Rob Right's player?
Com first one, Delon Wright, which I like, it's pretty
long though, Yeah, but here's the other one, Tias Jones. Okay, So, like,
I mean, clearly, if if either Chad gbt nos ball
or Rob no or or Rondo's ball, but that was pick.
Speaker 3: Up from you, Ron, what do you got Vic, I'm
gonna go old school. I'm going Isaiah Thomas. Okay, that's.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: The reason is because Isaiah was lightning quick with a
crossover for he had great handles too. Yeah. And Isaiah
Thomas from a hight weight standpoint, he was like five
nine one eighty five, so pretty I mean, well, the
original Isaiah Thomas, not Isaiah Thomas from the Celtic, not
the second one, first one. Yeah, but I'm wondering, I
think how tall, what was his highway? He was probably
I think category I like that I really liked that
one a lot. Thomas is listed at six one, Yes,
six one, and Rob rob right at six one. Okay, gotcha,
they're both. That means they're both five eleven six. I
like the O g Isaiah Thomas take. That's a good
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sound here on your Uti ESPN ready and never a
couple of questions I've out on X if you want
to follow me, Acquittal Benjamin. Question of the day, how
have your expectations changed for the BA basketball team in
season now that Richie Sanders is out for the season.
Within a cl tear also out here just a minute ago,
We've never seen a guy. We've never seen a point
guard like Rob Right. B Oyer's never seen it. Who's
your non BAU player conference? Rob Right the third and
why chime in on that want to hear from you,
Cougar a nation. But let's get back to the sound.
B YU was in a sad and somber yet a
celebratory mode as they beat Colorado in ot by the
skin of their teeth, but they lost. For Richie Saunders,
let's continue to ask the questions the k y head
coach of the EAU Cougar basketball team, Jimmer Fournett, was
in attendance. Jim er Mania is what we celebrated on
that night, and Jimer was you know, I mean, I
think he was happy with the win, but it was
not a Jim er esque performance in totality from the team.
But Rob right the third kind of field, the jibber
Fornette shoes. What effect has jibber fort had on b
y U basketball?
Speaker 6: K Why Yeah, I mean, I don't even know if
words can describe his impact on b YU basketball. You know,
I think just the fact that it turned into a
true global phenomenon is incredible. On the run he had
here with Coach Rose and all of his teammates is
something that I'm not sure we'll ever see in college
basketball ever again at any school. Right and so uh
and for him to I think, just be the type
of person he is, type of a husband, father, ambassador
for b YU, ambassador for the church. It couldn't happen
to a better guy. Super happy for him and his family.
I've enjoyed getting to know him a little bit more
on a personal level. You know, we knew each other
a little bit before I got here. But just a
class act and really happy for him and Whitney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, We're never gonna experience anything like on the
Jimmer media ever again, Like you just you just won't.
I'm trying to think of anything that even compares to
jimmer Mania at the collegiate space or the NBA space.
Can you think of anything? The only thing that I
thought that maybe compared to it from because it was
an international phenomena phenomenon, was Linsanity when Jeremy Lynn was
going off for the New York Knicks in a major market,
just getting buckets, doing something that you know, has been
rarely seen, and he had the international world really watching
the you know, an entire continent outside of the United
States America was watching it seemed, you know what I mean,
Like even that was so.
Speaker 8: Much more short lived, Like that was a run of
just a couple of weeks or a month, not a
full season.
Speaker 3: But I mean to a certain degree, like Jimmermania really
picked up in February March. It was I mean, yeah,
like his year, Jeremy Lynn wasn't doing that for a
full season, is what I'm saying, one hundred percent. Like
I don't know if it was, you know, I would
have to look at the dates Lynn. That was the
only thing I could compare it. Where like everyone's buzzing
about the unexpected productivity and prolifer the proficiency of a
basketball player that shouldn't be doing what he's doing. Does
that make sense? A creative score? And like the world
is talking about that. Basketball world is talking about it.
Speaker 8: What about Steph Curry at Davidson and that run that
they had in the tournament. I realized it's like almost
a one to one. It's like very similar. But step
Curray was very similar where he was the guy that
nobody knows playing at Davidson, Yeah cere and then he
was I mean him and Jimmer were very similar. They
were doing the unexpected in the same way that the
other one that comes.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, I like that comparison a lot, But like
Jimmer kind of takes the cake, I think in many ways,
but I would say those are my two comparative like
viral basketball, like unexpected moments in the NBA and in
college basketball. I think you bring up a good point
with Steph Curry, who is the greatest shooter ever to
walk the face of this earth. So, uh, the effect
that Jimmer had on basketball in general, Jim range like,
I look at what Steph Curry has done, and you wonder, like, okay,
like who has Jimmer influenced? Who did he impact in
that and at that time to make them want to
take more three point shots? Right? And look, there's been
some great three point shooters in the NBA over the
last twenty five thirty years, et cetera. But like, off
the bounce has always been different than catch and shoot.
Does that make sense? It's one thing to catch and
shoot and be a three point shooter. You can make
a case that Jimmer was somewhat of, like I mean,
at least a collegiate pioneer to like be off the bounce,
off the dribble, crossover, pull up step back that he
was kind of before his time. Not many people were
doing that in the late two thousand's, early two thousand,
you know, two two thousand and nine eleven, that was
That became jim or Mania, That became Jim Ors, That
became Jim range. Pulling up as you cross half court.
Not many people were doing that, nor did they have
the lease. Remember, you're only as good as the leash
and the coaching staff that trust you. And you did
not see that many coaches that were willing to just
give a shooter the green light when he crossed half court.
And even jimm Er had to earn that. Under Dave Rose,
he got more equity, more tenure his junior year, got
a longer lease, and then to get him to come back.
What did Dave say? What did Tim Lacombe say, What
did Dave Rice say? What did all these coaches say?
That final years and you have a green light from
wherever even if you want to pull up from beyond
half court on the run, whatever you want, man, you
can do it. And that confidence, I mean when when
you have to right player on the court, it breeds insanity.
It's insane in the membrane, it's uh, it's jim or Mania,
it's uh. In my opinion, is better than lisanity.
Speaker 8: So, and what's crazy is like we've seen it, but
we still haven't seen it replicated that much. Like I
can list on one hand the college shooters that I
remember that were that level of players. Caitlin clark is won,
Buddy Healed season at Oklahoma was up there, Trey Young
season also.
Speaker 3: At Oklahoma was up there.
Speaker 8: But like, even though we've seen it done, we haven't
really seen it replicated. And so to your point, I
don't know when we'll see it again because it's just
not that easy to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to have a season in which you
become the Nationith Award winner, like and you're scoring at
that rate consistently versus some good competition, it doesn't happen, right,
Like you you have these fleeting moments in NCAA tournament,
Like you know, our favorite basketball player, non bowie basketball player,
Jack Goldkie, right, Like we've been very high on jagging.
Jack Goldkie had thirty two versus Kentucky. He just went
off ten of twenty from the field, all of them
with three point shots. By the way, he was fifty
from the field that he shot twenty threes versus Kentucky.
To get coach Cal out Mark Pope in and to
give byu fans Ky and the new era of Bou basketball.
That the frenzy that's upon us, right, and then he
went off for twenty two versus Ency State. Not nearly
as efficient. He was thirty five percent from the field
in that game. He shot seventeen threes. Right, But like
once again, the uniqueness was, has been and always will
be the off the bounce creation and pull up from
anywhere off the bounce in transition, before you even get
into your half court set, He's like, I'm open, I'm
taking this thirty footer. And thus Jim or Range has
has you know, has it come up in teaching me
how to gymmer? You know all these things, right, let's
get back to it. But it's extremely impactful, not him
from a BAU standpoint, but obviously from uh A national
and international standpoint. He made a huge impact in the
in the game of basketball. Why did you give more
minutes to Beido? Going back to the conversation in Colorado.
In the Colorado game, Beato down the stretch rather than Keba.
Speaker 4: I thought Beato's picking a roll coverage was good. You know,
we went to a little bit more of a drop coverage.
Speaker 6: I thought he had he had five blocks, you know,
that's his strength, and so those guards are good.
Speaker 4: And kid Johnson's a really good player.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: We saw hard Grace last year when he's at Riverside
and so you know, it was tough to Uh.
Speaker 6: We were trying to put two on the ball early
and I thought they were getting to their spots even
more so went to a different coverage and Bido, I
thought I was doing a good job there.
Speaker 4: So I just kind of wrote them out.
Speaker 3: Were you guys impressed by Bido? Obviously Cable was limited.
He had the concussion earlier in the season that set
him back. He's had a hand injury, he had rich
injury over the last few weeks that has set him back.
He's not as aggressive, He's not as good maybe defensively
and not as good offensively. And that's why he struggled
with point blank shots and even from the free throw
line when he gets to the charity stripe. So we're
gonna have to rely with you, whether you like it
or not. You either get Keba healthy somehow through a miracle,
or Bido has to step up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I Beido defensively is where I tend to worry
a little bit. However, like we've been talking about on
this show, what makes me feel better about the absence
of Keba is actually the.
Speaker 3: Improved minutes from.
Speaker 8: Hadem boop, because again, he may not be seven to one,
but he's strong enough to be able to play with
those guys down low. In this game, actually, Abdula Ahmed
played more minutes then Hadeem Hadem played fourteen. Abdullah Ahmed
played twenty three. He scored one point just off a
free throw, and he went oh for one, so he
wasn't even really taking shots. He was primarily there as
a rebounding presence. He did have five rebounds on the game.
Rebounding was really just distributed in this one. Agent had
thirteen and then it was basically rebound committee from everybody else,
including Abdullah.
Speaker 3: So I am a little worried.
Speaker 8: Honestly, Abdulahmed worries me defensively, and I don't feel like
he's good enough at other things to warrant not being
incredible defensively.
Speaker 3: The foul troubles what worries me.
Speaker 8: Again, he had four and this one didn't foul out,
but but yeah, those are probably my biggest questions with Abdullah.
But if we don't have Keba, I feel okay, because
I actually even healthy Keba or healthy Hadem, Like that
line to me is getting a lot closer than I
thought it would have been.
Speaker 3: Which big do you trust lease? Right now? Mihilo, Mihai
hademuh Beidu Achman, or Keva? Who do you trust? Lease?
At least them out. For me, it's probably Mihilo. You
just don't trust me. And but here's what bums me out.
Speaker 8: Though I loved seeing him step up in Big twelve
play last year, I remember that picket role play that
they ran at West Virginia when he scores the game
winner and we're.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, Mehilo, like Mihilo might be nice with it.
Speaker 8: And then we saw how he stretched the floor, which
is three point shooting, and frankly, I think if he's
knocking down threes, this is a completely different team because
then you force the defense to have to account for Mihilo.
At this point in the season, the defense is say, hey,
we'll let you take it. When you start making it,
that's when will come guard you. And I hope we
get that because that version of me Hilo makes this
BYU basketball team significantly more dangerous.
Speaker 9: It's just the boneheaded mistakes, like throwing it in the
back court. Come man, you know, to aj you know,
not waiting for him to get past half court.
Speaker 3: It's like, look, that kind deck gets me.
Speaker 8: And I think his shot selection is not always great.
And the bummer is that sometimes he makes bad shots.
And it's like, Okay, well I don't that wasn't a
good shot, but you made it. Those were other ones
that were good shots that you didn't make.
Speaker 3: And and I love me hollow.
Speaker 8: I want him to be really good because I think
when he's good, boy, basketball is good.
Speaker 3: Roddie, who's the big that you trust the least? Yeah,
it's myhilo, It really is.
Speaker 2: I hate to say it.
Speaker 7: Look, I watched Kevin Young and how he does rotations. Uh,
and Tyler almost got himself untrusted because remember he hits
the two threes and then he lets the guy get
the rebound, he pulls it from him, then the foul.
So Tyler almost got himself into some trouble, but he
made it up for him the second half. To your point, though,
it's a mahilo, Ben, I really think it is is
just when you see a guy. Second, you're in a
program like no other guy should be coming in that
hasn't played as much and out doing it. You can
argue that that Hadeen Boop has played better.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 7: You can make that argument defensively. It's not just scoring
that can't happen. That can't happen, Ben, and I think
that's a struggle. And I love my Hilo. I love
the swagger, the confident. I love a guy that's over confident.
But you have to show up and perform. You can't
throw the ball in the back court. Like Vic said that,
those things just it can't occur. But I'm wondering, Ben,
I'm wondering. I saw this episode last year where there
are certain guys of like, okay, why are you doing that?
And then they got to March Madness, and then all
of a sudden, guys acted like they remember they knew
how to play basketball in every moment. And I don't
know if it takes that, but for guys that have
played overseas, like you look at Lesti kostch Right, that
shot was heavily contested. You could argue it was a
bad shot. You can and he drills and I wonder
what these guys that have played in the biggest moments,
will we see my hil logo crazy in the big
twelf tournament? Will we see him go crazy and march madness?
And part of me is like, I think he can
hit that and take his shots because the lights aren't
too bright. And when you get to these moments when
someone else might not you know, have played on this platform,
maybe a couldn't Davis Junior when it's his turn, I
don't think they missed, so we'll see. But right now
it's him. But I think the point too about Bidu.
He has to do that now against Iowa State. You
know Jefferson, he has to do it against Thelwaka. If
he does that this week, Ben, then I can say,
you know, I have more confidence in him. When you're
blocking dudes on Colorado who is their first year, I
expect that. So you got to see it from the
high level players like this is what been. I know
I'm changing the subject, but this week is gonna teach
us really a lot about BA. You got Rob saying
it ain't over till it's over posting this. I hope
this team is fired up with Richie being out and says,
you know, we're gonna go and shock the world and
win it and just go crazy. If they did that, Ben,
at this point, that should be their motivation. Don't tattoo
it on your body. I'm not saying that, but they
should write it with the pen, get the paper, write it.
Speaker 3: On your ankle.
Speaker 7: Tape for fifteen like this season, the rest of it
should be dedicated towards Richie, and I hope they play
all hard enough because we're gonna get the Robin aj sound.
Rob said himself in the interview, Ben, Richie's the hardest
worker on their team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I would love to see everyone elevate
their work ethic and celebration of of Richie and to
make his uh his hard work and sacrifices, uh mean
a little bit more. Does this feel reminiscent of when
Taysom Hill broke his leg during the Jim mc named
Jim mcmaon's jersey was retired. I believe that same game.
I mean, look, there was three season ending injuries with
with Taysom, so like all of them, that's true, We're
pretty devastating. All of them were impactful, like they Yeah,
they all sucked because there was some time. There were
there was a time too, like when they were undefeated
and ranked and they were discussion of Heisman because he
was running for one hundred and throwing for over two
fifty in games, and and and just he looked like
a modern day you know, great White Hope, but Oh
Jackson type of running back where he's completely dominating everybody.
He was an elite athlete. So like, look, I think
all of these injuries from key players or if you
talk about you know, Kyle Collinsworth, they were about to
make a run and and he injured his ACL late
in the season. Obviously, the Brandon Davies situation with the
honor code leading during Jimmer madey that was devastating. Like
all of these are devastating to kugarnation. And that's why
BWA fans, I hate to say it, they feel like
bo athletics is a little bit cursed. It certainly has
not been great last week. No man, it is not.
Let's get through these last sound bites and we'll go
to break follow up on KBA. How would you evaluate
how he's played recently, Ky.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it definitely needs to pick it up, for sure.
You know, he's got he had he has an injury
going on with his hand, and and and you know,
things happen.
Speaker 4: You know, you go through ups and downs.
Speaker 6: You know, he's definitely uh, you know, wants to play
better if challenge him. You know, we've had some conversations,
so my coaches have had some conversation with him. So
you know, we need his intensity, there's no getting around it.
You know, he's a guy that you know, athletically is
second to none. So we got to continue to try
to find ways.
Speaker 4: To get him giving us a little bit more production.
And that's how me to figure out.
Speaker 3: I've been very high on Lexi Coastick. I think he
could be really good for the Kougs. Kevin. Can the
late three point shot by Lexi n o t help
Shooter's mentality this late in the season, Yeah, I think so, you.
Speaker 6: Know, there's a is this a beautiful thing in terms
of what seeing the ball go through the net does
to your confidence and also you know, not just that,
but then I think you also draw a lot of
confidence from from when your teammates believe that you're gonna
make shots. You know, they're looking for him, they're trying
to find them on kickouts. You know, I've talked to
a j A.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like playing with ours because he knows how
to get to the spots and make easy passes for me.
Speaker 6: So uh yeah, I think not just him, but Tyler too,
you know, and with with Richie situation, you know, who knows.
Speaker 4: You know, we're gonna need some shooting and glad for
those guys to get a chance to do it in
a game we actually had to win.
Speaker 3: Oh man, gotta get healthy, gotta stay strong. Hopefully our
guys can do it. What was your message by the way,
Khy and going into overtime in order to get the
best out of your team, you know.
Speaker 4: Just trying to like they got a little too comfortable.
Speaker 6: You know, we're trying to get our defense right, make
sure we had the right coverages, but but just trying
to dig down, you know, like like coming into the
game again, I'll say it again, like you know, I.
Speaker 4: Fully expected that game to be very difficult. You know,
they got they got punched in the mouth on the road.
You know.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you all saw coach Boyle's comments
after the game, but he clearly wasn't happy, and you
know he's a veteran coach He's had.
Speaker 4: A lot of success. I have a lot of respect for.
Speaker 6: Him, and so you knew his team was gonna be
ready to come in and fight, you know, And that's
a good lesson for our guys. But you know, as
much as anything, I'm just happy that that our guys
were able to pull a went out.
Speaker 4: Games like those can be very challenging, especially given what
happened early in the game emotionally and so forth.
Speaker 6: So that all that to be all I'm saying all
that to say that that was kind of the message
in a timeout, like, man, let's let's find a way
to go out and get this thing done, and thankfully
we did.
Speaker 3: There you go, any o the final flats before we
wrap that segment up. Guys, Ronald Brett always bringing a
hammer anything. Nope, I this doesn't really have anything to
do with basketball. I'd just like to mention it anytime
we play Colorado.
Speaker 8: But Coach Boils Man, I respect that he's kept his
styles the same since the eighties, but that jacket sport
coat hants combo I every time I see it, I
feel like I'm I'm transported back in time. So shoutouts
had Boils for now changing his style in thirty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just be be true to who you are. Don't
change the thing. Let's go to break. Please, don't go
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