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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of

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geek Verse podcast. I am one of your hosts. I

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guess I'm still the Scooby Doo Taylor Field, and I'm joined.

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Speaker 2: By I wondered what that nickname was. Maybe sounds like

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not related at all, but I am the Ann Pardcaster Illness.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we are here tonight continuing our Greek of

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the its Welcome to Dairy TV show. We are on

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episode six tonight, Ladies and gentlemen, Oh my gosh, it's

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gonna be a good time. Before we get into our

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quick non spoilers and spoilers thoughts, check us out on

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the Patreon. We get ad free early exclusive content available there.

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And our patren producers Aaron Braden, April of Darkness, Jack Grant,

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Sam super Bad, Mic Thata, God Leves Me sixty nine,

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Charlie Randell Cocktail, Clay John with Noh, Sam Green. That

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is just a roster right there, A magnificent lineup, love

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it Yeah, and then other quick plugs that we got

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going on. We did a running Man review. What else

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do we do? We got newscasts and I feel like

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it's just been a bit of a break between you

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the last time I was on an episode. But I

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know that Travis did the Stranger Things the first volume review, right,

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so definitely go check out that. And what about side questill,

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and let's popping off?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this week will be a fun one. We're

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gonna have the whole squad on for Game Awards predictions.

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Game Awards is not this coming week but the week after,

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so yeah, this week we're gonna have all of us

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doing predictions on there for the categories and some announcements,

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and then next week I'll do my little solo casting

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my votes thing and then yeah, we'll have some coverage

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of that. So it should be hopefully some big juice

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at the Game Awards. Usually a couple of big trailers

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there at the very least, just fun to see what

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wins and all that good stuff. So yeah, it should

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be a good couple weeks of Side Question.

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Speaker 1: Nice, I love it. Yeah, I think upcoming movies. I

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think the only real thing we got cooking is Avatar

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this month. And I know Travis is like fifty to

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fifty but leaning into a no, so I think it's

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gonna be a Me and Kirkland unless Dylan Nless you

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feel okay and do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. No, you guys got it.

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Speaker 1: You guys got it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get any more hate mail from

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James Cameron fans, so.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, they're always lurking. Uh cool, Well without further ado. Uh, Dylan,

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what uh? What are you feeling? What's your temperature on

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this this episode? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean I hinted to you before we started here

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that like, if you don't have much to say about

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this episode, and I kind of think that's part for

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the course. I feel like I should do. I feel

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like I should get some stats on this, but I

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feel like episode six of an eight episode thing is

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like kind of a low point in a lot of series,

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like the penultimate episodes where you want that big juice,

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then you want to close it out strong, and so

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I feel like the sixth spot is kind of where

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we're just I don't know, nothing much has happened, We're

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just kind of dragging things out a little bit. And

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I kind of feel like this episode to me is

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you know, like every movie, no matter what, whether it's

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comedy or drama or action, always like kind of between

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the second and third act, there's always this point when

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like protagonists of the movie, like have a little breakup

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and they're mad at each other and they're not talking,

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and there's like a little montage of them doing their

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own solo thing and they're sad and they're dejected in

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their heads down, and then they always come back together

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and then like you know, Act three happens, they win,

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they save the day, everyone's happy.

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Speaker 1: That was this episode.

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Speaker 2: So it was like thirty minutes of like characters just

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being mad at each other, and it's meaningless because we

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all know next week they're gonna get back together make

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their final plan, and then next the week and after

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that they're gonna you know, defeat it and the series

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will be over. So it just felt like we're dragging

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our heels here a little bit. At least it all

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goes to plan. But I just can't imagine any of these,

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you know, characters that got mad at each each other

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this week, are actually gonna stay mad at each other.

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They already kind of got over it. So it just

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felt like we were kind of doing nothing. But then

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there is one huge Lord dump character thing in this

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episode that I honestly feel a little under not underwhelmed,

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under equipped to talk about it. Almost I feel like

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I don't get it fully, so we can have that

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fun conversation because I need to hear what your interpretiation

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of this is. And it's potentially huge and really interesting

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and has big implications for like the series as a whole,

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if you want to say that. Also, I wanted to

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have one show out here at the top is if

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anyone's not in our discord, definitely join our discord because

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every week April, one of the patron producers over there,

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she's always jumping in the IT chat that we have

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and drop in just like amazing bits of lore and

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like connection of characters, things that go way over my head.

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do the review and I'm reading through that, I'm like, oh, yeah,

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I missed all this stuff. So definitely join the discord

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and just read that stuff. I find it fascinating. But

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I'm at the point where, like, I can't wait to

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hear what her interpretation is of this stuff in this

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episode because she'll probably have all these other connections that

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I don't have. So interesting in the back half there

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with some of that stuff, but overall, is the episode

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a little bit of drag, But like I said, I

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kind of expected that somewhat, and yeah, I do think

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we are set up for what should be a good

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one two punch penultimate final episode combo. But this episode

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was just you know, a bridge we had to cross.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh well said I it's it's it's pretty

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pretty in line with how you put it with movies

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having that kind of tribulation amongst our heroes, like oh,

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they're breaking off like your Goblet of Fire where Harry

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and Ron are just kind of and that's literally like

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movies have. Yeah, I mean even the first Chapter one

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did that too, right with a Loser's Club. They broke

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off for a little bit there. So it's just yep,

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it's end of chapter two.

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Speaker 2: Chapter two always happening.

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Speaker 1: It's always happening. Yeah, So yes, you're getting you're getting

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that dynamic in here, and there's, yeah, the one very interesting,

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big kind of reveal with that one character that's gonna

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be interesting to break down. But uh yeah, I don't

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think there was. There wasn't really a huge amount of

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juice in this episode. I will admit, even though the

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show is still at a really really warm temperature for myself.

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here that kind of ties into the character that will

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break down and talk about where visually. I was so

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on board with it. I thought it was really really cool.

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I'm going into the discord. I'm gonna be like, April,

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you gotta drop some details here for me, because I'm

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kind of at a loss myself. It's definitely trying to

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kind of pave the road a little bit and show

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off a little bit more, I guess, just with the

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lore and things like that. That aside, I made a

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prediction and this is not a spoiler last week that

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oh I thought halla Ann is going to be kind

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of out of the picture. He is not out of

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the picture. So again he's around, He's around, and again

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everything with him, I'm just I'm eating It just feels like, well,

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he's parallel and he's part of the story with Penny Wise.

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his own path forward and I'm just I'm loving all

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of that. Whenever he talks about like his gifts and

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he's just he's doing his weirds any things. It's just

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it's really really awesome to take that in and see

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it because I don't know, I don't know why. I've

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just kind of gravitated that character in the Shining and

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just so seeing him present here, it just it works

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for me. But a great actor, Oh my gosh, really

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really great actor. But yeah, how things have gone. This

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episode has definitely set up a pretty significant penultimate episode,

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just ye or yeah, okay, so yeah, next week it'll

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be like, okay, we're things are hitting the fan now,

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so it'll be interesting to see what what goes down there.

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But that I don't think I really have anything else

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to add. Yeah, so we can just we can just

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get right into this. So what what big nugget do

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you want to start with? Spoiler wise?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we'll build up to the you know, big

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thing going on here and we'll talk about let's talk

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about your your boy hallerin first here. So yeah, interesting

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fallout for I guess all the characters here from obviously

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last week it was a huge episode with everyone going

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into the sewers where there was like multiple groups of

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characters all going in there just happened to be at

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the same time. And now we're getting like the fallout

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of what all of that means for all of them.

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happened to hallerin here, and I think it makes a

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lot of sense. Like obviously going into this place where

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there's just he obviously that huge moment a ton of

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uh for everyone it was like just fucking with their minds.

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it has these powers, I guess it just affects him

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on like multiple levels, right, and like exponentially more than

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other people. And so we saw that a lot of

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people were pretty spooked and they were pretty you know,

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freaked out, and obviously was causing them to lash out

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against their friends or uh. In case of Leroy, like

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hitting his child, which is like really fucked up, and

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he blames it directly on that, which is probably true

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to some extent also him not being a great guy,

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but you know that obviously just shows like how much

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being in that place and close to Penny Wise just

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kind of has this aura that messes with people but

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with hallerin it just hits on you know, he has

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this this otherworldly connection that not many people do, and

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so for him it had like this even greater effect.

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getting drunk and wasted. I feel like that must affect

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him more than it affects other people too, right, just

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like hitting his brain in like different ways and making

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him react in you know, exponentially stronger ways. And then

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on top of that, like I was not, I was,

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I was surprised to see that this clubhouse that they

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is gonna be like a kind of a hidden place,

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but now obviously it's like extremely public, so much so

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that there's like a whole squad of people showing up

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the door. That's kind of like the cliffhanger of the episode.

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just that extremely you know pendulum swing that he had

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of like the the high highs, not that he was

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having high highs, but just you know, experiencing really big things.

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response to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're I like that the way with

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like the high highs you put that, because I feel

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like he's on base. He's definitely feeling kind of invincible.

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He's getting what he wants. He can he can tell

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the higher ups that hey, I want this, I want that,

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and he feels like he's I don't want to say untouchable,

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but he feels very powerful because he's got these abilities

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and he's got the military backing him, right, So it

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puts him into a very I don't want to say ego,

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but a certain type of mindset. And ever since that

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first episode to where we are now, it has just

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been kind of getting eroded more and more and more

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to now it's at the point where he just he

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needs to be drinking. He can't handle it. And I

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love it so much. How we got that bit of

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dialogue in this episode where he's breaking down. Okay, when

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I was young, my grandma, you know, she had this

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ability too, not as strong as mind, but she taught

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me how to deal with it and how to put

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everything in a box. You know, classic shining stuff. We've

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seen that before. And how he just breaks down how

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this thing penny Wise went into his mind and just

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forced that box open and everything came coming out, and

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I'm seeing all this shit again, like fuck, this is

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just so cool and and everything that he says too,

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like you know, we went down there, we pissed this

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thing off, like this thing doesn't like it. And again,

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probably one of my favorite scenes. And i'd have to

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think about all the TV shows that we've seen this year.

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I haven't really I haven't really watched many, but even

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in comparison to movies, that scene when Haluran is just

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like going and he's holding in the helicopter, touching the

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artifact and he just appears in Pennywise's layer and penny

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Wise like, ooh are you It's like fuck, That's got

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to be one of my favorite scenes, and it's just

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like cinematic things this year. Is such a good scene.

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And so since then, I feel like penny Wise has

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just been really kicking him down every chance he gets,

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because this person on a psychic level is such a

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new and just a rival for Pennywise. So I'm really

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really liking it, and it'll be interesting to see how

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he pulls out of this again that conversation with Hanlan

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or Hanlan's like you need to do your duty, soldier

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and get back in the fight, and Katherin's like, no,

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did you not hear a single word? I just said,

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like they're saying things that we're not supposed to hear

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as living people. Like there's just there's so much juice there.

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I really love it.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah, I I totally agree with you

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on all that. I guess, moving along to the the

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kids and what's going on there, so there's kind of

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multiple things like I kind of hinted at with like

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the kind of soft breakup between Ronnie and Lily. They

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kind of have their little moment there, which you know,

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like I said, probably just gonna be friends again next episode.

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And then you know, we've got like a couple kind

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of romantic little threads Ronnie and Will. And then also

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I don't even remember the other the other two kids' names,

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but like Little's friend and the other guy who was

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ripping up the drums in this episode, which I thought

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they had like a little goofy scene on that that

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that rooftop that's getting a lot of a lot of

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screen time this season. So there was all that but

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the one thing I wanted to ask you about that

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because I don't think there's too much to of interest

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for me. There is when Lily was holding the I

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don't know what we're calling it, the spike, the Pennywise, meteor, fragment,

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whatever you want to call it, and I feel like

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she was really tapping into like her her fro Do there,

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and like just the the it seemed like this thing

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was changing her in the way Frodo when he's holding

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the ring, and over time he becomes, you know, more snappy,

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and it's like he's clearly not himself anymore. He's being

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infected by the ring. And I kind of felt like

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that was maybe what the director said to her, like,

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hey be like fro Do in this, like just kind

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of snap a little bit, as if this thing's like

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you're right driving you a little bit mad. So I

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don't know, do you think it was the circumstance or

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do you think like literally holding that fragment or keeping

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it around her is also somewhat unraveling her mind.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely doing something, and we don't know the extent

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of like what this thing can do, right, I mean,

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this is an unknown element that's not natural to this

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to earth, right, So I mean when you when you're

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looking at this thing that was in the possession of

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this tribe for so long and they were taking care

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of it, they obviously understood it and they knew what

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they were doing with it. In the context of this

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little girl, I don't know, Like, you're dealing with energies

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that are forcing you to be afraid, and penny Wise

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is there to like mess around with your mental state,

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and so when you're dealing with something that can inhibit

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that and actually like shield it, then I don't I

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think it's going to have other effects too. I could

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be reading too much into it. So it really depends.

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One of my favorite things was when she was in

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the classroom and again no one else can see what's

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going on, but that thing is glowing because penny Wise

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is actually there fucking with her. And I really like that.

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So that kind of helps you understand, like and just see, like, Okay,

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this is actually a real time event going on.

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Speaker 2: Did she not have the fragment on her in that moment?

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Speaker 1: She did? She had it on her lap.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, how was it then that Pennywise was

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able to get so close to her.

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Speaker 1: I think like it's it's it's the same distance too,

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right from where he was before and the sewers when

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he was like present there. But I think like he

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was just able to He couldn't do anything to her directly,

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but I think he was able to get close enough

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to just fuck with her.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he can't like touch her, maybe that's literal thing

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like her skin or something like that. Yeah, Yeah, he couldn't, like,

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let put a finger on her. So yeah, I guess

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that makes sense because yeah, and the sewer when it

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fended him off, she wasn't holding it. It was like, yeah,

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like a couple meters in front of her whatever, and

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that's kind of where he couldn't pass it. Yeah, So

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that that is something that I think as well, Like

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was it just because that creature thing was in the

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desk that other people couldn't see it, or was it

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Pennywise making it so only.

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Speaker 1: She could see that? Well, that's the thing with penny Wise,

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because let's say Bev in the first movie, only she

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Well I guess the other kids too, but they've had

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interactions with the Pennywise, right, But for her and her

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dad's point of view, the dad didn't see any of

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the blood in the bathroom, but Bev did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think the differentiation is usually like just

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kid adult, but this seemed a bit different because obviously

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as a classroom full of kids.

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Speaker 1: And I think if the other friends were there, I

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bet you the friends would see it too, because it's like,

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I can't Marge was her name. Heurt with the eyes right,

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the eye situation, and then Lily was able to see that, right.

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So I think when they've had experiences with Pennywise, then

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it's like a shared thing that they can mutually see, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And obviously, like part of Pennywise and how he's able

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to manifest is through the fear angle. And I guess

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like these other kids who are just in class during

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the day and they're surrounded by kids and a teacher,

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and they haven't had a weird experience, like they don't

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really have any fear in that moment. They probably feel

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very safe in that classroom, so they don't aren't obviously

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aren't like on a edge, whereas Lily is still kind

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of tripping out over the huge event that just experienced,

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like yesterday in the sewer, I've kind of spread she

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went to school but I guess she kind of has

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to where else her mom would get mad and send

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her back to a to the uh mental juniper till yeah,

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junibrail again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So that's always just kind of like looming

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over her right and kind of forcing her in these situations.

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But she she turned her back on it. I was like,

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I'm out, I'm going, which.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, even though, but yeah, what do you think

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there's gonna be funny? Followed though, her like having this

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big moment because I was really worried that in the classroom,

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her having this freak out in front of everyone, in

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front of the teacher, walking out.

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Speaker 1: I was worried.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, is she just gonna get

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sent back and we're just gonna do this again, even

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though she's already been sent there like twice in this series,

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and then like last time, she just like walked out

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the next day and it was such a nothing burger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't need to see her kind

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of go back there, and I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we have time if there's only two episodes, like,

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I don't think we really have the bandwidth to do that.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, no time. I mean they got they got

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a lot that they got to deal with now because

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they've really kind of escalated the story a little bit

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in other areas, So he're going back to Juniper Hill

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doesn't really do much. I think it's even in the

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flashback sequence. We spent time there, and I feel like

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that just alone kind of like closes that door Juniper Hill.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I was worried that was like foreshadow

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or something that was like, oh, we're seeing this at

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the start of the episode. At the start of THEPS,

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you don't really know what it's about obviously until you

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get that scene later. I was like, Okay, is are

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we just setting up Juniper Hill and then he's gonna

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go back there? But obviously there was a whole lot more.

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But yeah, any anything else with the kids specifically, I

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mean there's things we didn't break down, but like, I

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don't know if there's really a whole lot of sauce there.

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Speaker 1: No. I mean they're they're having fun at the club.

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You know, they're dancing, they're playing drums, you know, they're bonding,

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which I think that's a great counter to penny Wise

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and his fear. So I like that, but it's gonna

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get squashed with fear with how this episode ended, but

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then there's there's really nothing. Could just kind of surprise

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me that they're going alone to their little tower when

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penny Wise was just chilling there as Maddie Like, that's

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high risk, you know, true?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that thing's like a ton of stairs, Like

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it's not like you can like quickly flee from that spot.

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So it's a good point. I feel like that's not

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a super safe hideout, but I don't know where it

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is in this town.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no kidding, but in that I yeah, I

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got nothing. So where do you want to steer to?

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Speaker 2: Well, really, I think the only thing I had left

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in my notes was the uh the Pennywise daughter situation,

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if you want to get there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, so right off the hook here, penny

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Wise is individual, a real individual, and we saw photos

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of this character in the movie, but you don't really

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know the connection or the affiliation. But we've seen Scars Guard.

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We're in the old like Circus Carni clothing outfit or whatever,

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so we know that this was a real character, but

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we didn't know the context. So now it's implied that

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this entity that's been here since before man has absorbed

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and taken favor of this person, this carny, this, this costume,

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this this look, and has kind of incorporated it into

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his his his wardrobe.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so that you think it's that he found

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the entity, found a person and thought, hey, that's a

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good person that I can impersonate and kind of fill.

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Speaker 1: Fill in as I that's how I took it, because

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it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Not rather than the entity, just like creating this identity

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and then blending in with the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, because like it seems like at the start

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of the show, every time the tribe was fighting the entity,

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it was always taken the form of this this moose, right,

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this was kind of like its form that it liked

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to do. And yes, it can change its form to

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make you afraid by being it's your your worst fear.

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But I think by default it probably likes being the

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clown because his kids and the kid factor. I think

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that's huge because kids are his target and being a clown,

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he can lure them in and then he can freak

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them out.

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Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, maybe like as an evolutionary type thing

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of like over the years, over the cycles of this

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creature and obviously like through the indigenous tribes kind of

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passing down like the tails and like how to avoid

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this thing and protect yourself against it? I guess Pennywise,

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also the entity needs to needs to evolve alongside that

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in order to be able to continue to lure in

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kids and like keep itself satiated and fed and enough

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to come back. So I guess that does make sense

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over time, just kind of evolving in like what is

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the best thing, oh, a human? And what's even better

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than a human is just straight up like a clown,

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even though clowns are like scary. But I guess clowns

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are like not scary in this world until penny Wise

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maybe or maybe we're as a society scared of clowns

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today because of it. You know, maybe that's part of

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it too. I don't know when that started.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea when it started. I know clowns

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are never my favorite thing when I was younger, and

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definitely eerie. But yeah, I like that idea, you know,

474
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,559
in an evolutionary sense, because they break it down like, hey,

475
00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:11,759
it's a predator, and certain predators they want to get

476
00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,200
you like afraid before they eat you and whatnot, and

477
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,799
so maybe it is just a bare bones breakdown of

478
00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:19,839
that where it's just an evolutionary thing. And I just

479
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,599
hope to that point to be a clown to I mean,

480
00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:25,680
exactly as you put it, I could subscribe to that theory,

481
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,240
but at the same time, I could see maybe I'm

482
00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:31,640
just totally overthinking it and over looking the what it

483
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,319
is for. But I feel like I need a little

484
00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:39,440
more context because, Okay, the missus Kersh found out that

485
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,039
she she had a father named Pennywise, worked in the Carnival.

486
00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:47,759
He went missing one day. Carnival moved on and she

487
00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:50,240
stayed behind. So she started working at Juniper Hill when

488
00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:53,400
she was young, and then she found out, Okay, someone's

489
00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:55,920
little girl's talking about Pennywise and the pipes. This is

490
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,279
kind of weird. And so that's I want to know

491
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:04,000
that reason why he penny Wise is the entity. And

492
00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:06,839
maybe that's what a prequel show when we go back,

493
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,880
could kind of highlight and look at, because I think

494
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,160
it would go back to that period of time where

495
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,960
we would be able to dive into that a little

496
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:21,079
bit more. And so that being said, she totally fucks

497
00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:23,680
over the little girl Mabel, which again that whole scene

498
00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:27,319
very freaky loves seeing Scar's guard though popping office penny

499
00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:30,359
Wise and him just doing his hallway glide like freak

500
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,960
out thing. It's always terrifying.

501
00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: But seeing his actual face, like without makeup, well there's

502
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,759
still some makeup on him, but less of the clown makeup.

503
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was some good stuff. And so she

504
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:47,920
is convinced that he is father, but has this evil

505
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,559
spirit that kind of comes out, but it gets satiated

506
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:53,759
and her real dad comes out again when it gets

507
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:57,599
the kids. So I think, okay, this is a complete ploy.

508
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,759
The father is not there anymore. Penny Wise is just

509
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,640
using her to get her to bring him kids in

510
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,680
an isolated environment. Because yeah, it's the same thing with

511
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,640
how he uses people like Bowers in the movie just

512
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,160
to go and kill people and do his bidding. And

513
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,160
I think here, it's like, yeah, I will give you

514
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,200
your father figure if you give me kids. And there

515
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,160
was a brief moment where Missus Kirsh is standing there

516
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,440
with Mabel and he's, oh, you brought a friend, and

517
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:32,119
like missus Kirsch is like Papa, and Pennywise has this weird,

518
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:36,880
like weird expression like he's curious about this, but he

519
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,920
shrugs it off right away and goes to try and

520
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,400
kill Mabel and they run off. But just the way

521
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,680
he does that expression, I really liked it because I

522
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,359
feel like, to me, okay, and the way I read

523
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,240
this scene, yeah, he's playing her. He's like, I'm going

524
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:49,880
to see this as an opportunity. I'm going to use

525
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,799
it because I'm a predator.

526
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I feel like he he the entity

527
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,319
itself is kind of unraveling to some extent until it feeds,

528
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,440
and so I feel like, you know, eating the kid

529
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,319
and then like maybe thinking, Okay, how can I turn

530
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,160
this situation into something that's like in my advantage. If

531
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,640
I now go into the dad form of this character,

532
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,039
maybe I can lure them. And so maybe he just

533
00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:14,319
like didn't even he was just too hungry, you know.

534
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,160
He was just throbbing too much, able to do anything

535
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,519
other than just like I gotta devour this kid first,

536
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:21,400
and then I can think about like a long term

537
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,559
plan here. But yeah, like do you think that this

538
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,319
is the first time or the first human I suppose

539
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,200
that Pennywise has decided to like absorb and then kind

540
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,039
of use his attributes as like a way to blend anything.

541
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,759
This is the first like human, he's done this too.

542
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: Ooh, I'm gonna say no, just because he's been here

543
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,319
for a long time, right, Yeah, I feel like he's

544
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,079
done it before. I really do. I mean, heck, he

545
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,000
did it with as Maddie, right, he portrayed Maddie, their friend.

546
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:52,720
It was like, come on, like, come back with me

547
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,119
to the sewers and to try and like lure them

548
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,640
and kill them. So I feel like, again, it's just him,

549
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,920
He's playing all the cards. Yeah.

550
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think with like the different flashback sequences,

551
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:06,240
because we had the other one where he was like

552
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:07,839
that old man in like the woods or whatever. But

553
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,759
I think that was like after the circus stuff.

554
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: That would have been.

555
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard to track some ofize these thirty

556
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,440
year time jumps, but I think that would have been

557
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,960
a later thirty year time jump. But he's yeah, presumably

558
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:21,599
tried it before, but I don't know. Maybe he had

559
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,599
to like acquire that over time. Maybe it like he

560
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:27,000
was just munched down on animals for millennia and then

561
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,240
it was like oh humans, you know, bigger brains, more

562
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,519
fear center in the brain, better blood. You know, Maybe

563
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,839
he just like acquired that taste over time. I'm not sure.

564
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,839
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny how you mentioned that circus episode because

565
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:40,960
you do see someone dressed up in the penny Wise

566
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,440
outfit there, so I have to revisit that and see

567
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:47,920
maybe that was but oh that was after though, because yeah,

568
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,000
he's well no, because he's not his classic penny Wise

569
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,240
self yet, so he was just the old man and

570
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,680
he was the other things too. So maybe that was

571
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,799
Missus Kursha's father there at the time, because I think

572
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:06,440
it fits with how old those characters are when they

573
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,559
were kids in that episode and the circus was there

574
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,160
and you see penny Wise the clown, and then you

575
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,799
jump ahead to present day. I think that time kind

576
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,880
of fits. April, if you're listening, you're gonna have to

577
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,960
let us know in the discord if there's a chance that, yeah,

578
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,480
character that dressed as penny Wise in the circus in

579
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,680
that flashback episode was Missus Kursh's father.

580
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I was a little. I think part of

581
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,960
the reasons I was confused is because, like the kurseh

582
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,319
present day of this story, when we were and then

583
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,400
we flipped like the black and white. Obviously, the black

584
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,559
and white kind of obscure is exactly what she looks like.

585
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,680
But I was like, she doesn't look like thirty years difference.

586
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,359
But then when they like afterwards, we go back to

587
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,400
present and we zoom in and you can like, okay,

588
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,119
I can see like a bit of wrinkles on her face,

589
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,359
but like she still seems like kind of young and

590
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,640
obviously in chapter one. I don't think we covered this

591
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,599
on the podcast, but yeah, like April mentioned to us, like, oh,

592
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:58,400
that is the character from I guess it was, yeah,

593
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,400
chapter one or chapter two.

594
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: It's always think it's too apartment and she's creepy old lady.

595
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, so that I guess in this timeline

596
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,640
she was fifty and then when in the black and

597
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,119
white sequence she was around I guess twenty ish is

598
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:15,759
what we're saying.

599
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:17,839
Speaker 1: I think, So I think that sounds right.

600
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, really interesting stuff because I mean I

601
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,519
was also my brain was going over the place, like

602
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,599
how long has penny Wise been in this guy? Did

603
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,759
Pennywise impregnate someone like in the guise of this But

604
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,480
I don't know if he has that ability. I don't

605
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,279
know if he like inherits their DNA and ability to

606
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,079
like you know, impregnate someone or whatnot. But I'm I'm

607
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:41,880
assuming that more so this guy was the father had

608
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,880
the kid, and then penny Wise, the entity kind of

609
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,839
you know, acquired his body and then like started you know,

610
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Marionette and as him and maybe he just has absorbed

611
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,880
a bunch of people and he just flips back and forth,

612
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,599
and maybe it just took him, as you mentioned, like

613
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,279
a minute in that sequence to recognize like, oh, this

614
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:01,200
is the body I absorb. Here is this person's father.

615
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:04,400
I just didn't put two and two together immediately, you know, mm.

616
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:08,039
Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah.

617
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: So and then the other side of this reveal is

618
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,880
that the daughter, which what is her name by the way,

619
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,920
I don't have it written my name, Curse or Lily? Yeah,

620
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,039
like do we have her first name? Yeah, like missus

621
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:26,599
Kersh because Lily just calls her curse, right yeah. So yeah.

622
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,920
The other part of this is that she literally goes

623
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,559
up to her studio in like the attic of her

624
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,640
house or whatever it is, and then discovers that Missus

625
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,920
Kirsh has like, you know, a full on disguise factory.

626
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Going on here.

627
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: She has the wigs, she has the makeup, she has

628
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,839
like the reference images, and this character has been dressing

629
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,119
up as Pennywise and going around town, and at least

630
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,279
a couple of the times that we've seen Pennywise in

631
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,000
this series, turns out it was actually her. So that

632
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,480
was definitely the time when when she was outside the

633
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:01,799
window when Will saw when Will saw Pennywise, So that

634
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:09,839
was Kurshia. What other sequences graveyard graveyard sequence as well? Okay, yeah,

635
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,839
so a couple of times that she's kind of been

636
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,799
parading around as this character, which is got yeah, an

637
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:17,039
interesting reveal, Like I did not expect that because also,

638
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,599
like especially in that nighttime sequence, Will obviously gets the

639
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:23,200
glimpse like it's scared, falls on the ground, whatever, parents

640
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,799
come look at the window. Pennywise is gone obviously in

641
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:27,440
that time. It's like you don't need to be supernatural

642
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,079
to ditch that quickly. It's also like nighttime, she could

643
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:31,759
have just been hiding behind that tree. Still, who knows,

644
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,119
But yeah, all stuff that, like in hindsight feels believable,

645
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:39,079
and those aren't moments when Pennywise was doing some big

646
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,559
crazy thing that only something entity with magic powers could

647
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:46,119
be able to do. So interesting, uh, interesting plot point

648
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,839
for sure, like that's kind of kind of crazy stuff.

649
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:53,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm quite blown away by it. How

650
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,000
she's just kind of tributing herself in this sense to

651
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,839
Penny Wise. But again, it makes sense. She's she wants

652
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:01,319
her dad, and she thinks that every time she gets

653
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:03,720
a kid to this creature that hey, my dad comes

654
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,720
out and wouldn't you do anything for your dad kind

655
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:09,240
of a thing. And she's definitely she's got our demons.

656
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,440
So she's pretty fucked up. So it'll be interesting to

657
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160
see what happens. But I kind of liked that they

658
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,839
made her out this way and just just for the

659
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:21,160
fact that she's she's absolutely bonkers in the it chapter two.

660
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,480
So I like that this character that became that weird

661
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,519
creepy granny long legs thing has this kind of demented backstory.

662
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,920
But we just need to have it executed properly and

663
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,640
it's not just some botched butchered narrative. I want them

664
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,440
to actually give us a good the times they have

665
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,880
in two episodes fleshed out reason like Okay, yeah, she's

666
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,200
the daughter of this Carne and this Carney was absorbed

667
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,400
by Pennywise. That's I just need that to be clarified.

668
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we that's definitely the end of

669
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,480
this episode is too big cliffhangers. One is like what's

670
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,480
gonna happen at the hideout? And then also she gets

671
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,000
dressed up again in the attic and we get like

672
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,599
that creepy, kind of silhouetted shot she's about to go

673
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,000
do some stuff. But I forgot to mention this earlier,

674
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:04,680
but I like what you brought up to of like

675
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:09,519
specifically her being affiliated with the UH with Juniper Hill

676
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:12,119
because obviously a lot of the people there, they have

677
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,240
their demons, they've been going through something, and so I

678
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,720
feel like it's it's like prime time for like finding

679
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:21,440
easy marks for people who are have some predetermined fear

680
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,200
something that Pennywise can like almost immediately tap into to

681
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,079
screw with them. And yeah, obviously she can kind of

682
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:28,960
get like the intel, she can like scout them out

683
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,319
obviously lure them in some way, but also just like

684
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,480
literally has like their you know, doctor file of like

685
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,200
here are all the things that are like categorically quote

686
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,440
unquote wrong with this person, and like how can we

687
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:43,359
uh you know, siphon those out to get like pump

688
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,759
that you know, fear, cortisol whatever, like to the maximum degree.

689
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,880
So really interesting kind of snaring system.

690
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

691
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,519
Speaker 2: I quite like this bit of lore. I think this

692
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:56,039
is a This is interesting. And obviously we know that

693
00:32:56,119 --> 00:33:00,480
she you know, spoilers in chapter two exists, like, she

694
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,680
survives this. So whatever she's doing next week of going

695
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,720
around as a cleeping creepy clown doesn't get her shot

696
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:08,440
by a local sheriff or something like that. So clearly

697
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,400
she survives through this.

698
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,839
Speaker 1: Well that's the interesting thing. I mean, will she survive?

699
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,920
I mean, maybe she becomes something that Pennywise absorbs and

700
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,319
it's just something that you know, like the Maddie situation.

701
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,279
She oh, yeah, I guess it just pops in there

702
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:24,440
as old missus kersh yeah.

703
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: I guess you're right. And then because both Beverly knew

704
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,680
miss Kirsh as a kid too though.

705
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:33,279
Speaker 1: Right, I think, so I need to revisit that in

706
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:33,839
the movie.

707
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: And so that would have been God. Now the math

708
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,880
doesn't seem to math because now this lady thirty years

709
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,720
from now. Okay, So I guess here's what I'm taking

710
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,319
it as When Beverly I'd interact with mister Kerch, she

711
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:53,640
was the old lady you know in it chapter one timeline,

712
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:57,039
but then the Kursh in chapter two that is just Pennywise, right,

713
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,880
Like the one we see is actually just Pennywise doing

714
00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:59,720
creepy shit, right.

715
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,759
Speaker 1: I think so because he's.

716
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:03,839
Speaker 2: Doing you know, he's like teleporting around and like doing

717
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,360
penny Wise stuff. But Beverly, I assume Beverly knew or

718
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,039
interacted with the actual missus Kirsh, who was like eighty

719
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,039
or whatever at the time of chapter one. So okay,

720
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,079
that's making sense for me now. So I think that

721
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,039
was probably part of maybe why Beverly was tripped out

722
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,719
when she went there in like chapter two as Chastain

723
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,159
to be like, oh, Kursh's still hear what's going on?

724
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:26,840
And obviously it was like a destroyed building that she

725
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,000
was just miss viewing the entire time.

726
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: But okay, that's right.

727
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: That's the head kenon I'm going with because that kind

728
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,320
of makes sense to me, and I just got to

729
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,320
latch on whatever makes sense for me right now.

730
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: For sure, you highlighted that that ending narrative there where

731
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,320
is the mob's kind of coming to just destroy the

732
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:51,480
hangout place and the cop two bowers. He's no longer sheriff.

733
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,679
The mayor relieved him of his duties, right, Yeah, and he.

734
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: Seemed a little disheveled because of that for sure.

735
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that kind of fits with how you know

736
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,280
his son and his grandson are in the present it

737
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:07,239
movies because they're just they're racists and they're mean and

738
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:07,960
all that.

739
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:14,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah. I do you think anyone

740
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,199
any key players are dying in that interaction if it

741
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,599
turns into like a little like war or something.

742
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: Mmm, I think you. I mean, you got a lot

743
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,760
of side characters in there right now, and I think

744
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,119
if one or two of them might get killed. Uh,

745
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,880
I don't know. It's on isn't on like the military base.

746
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,000
It's just it's amazing how they able to get there.

747
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,159
Maybe it's on the outskirts.

748
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,079
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. But like, yeah, I don't think you

749
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,400
would go through like you know, in this episode we

750
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,440
saw will like blast through like one of the security

751
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,920
checkpoints past like the safe haven houses. Like I don't

752
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,480
think that one has, like you know, a security checkpoint.

753
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:51,199
I think it's just hidden by virtue of it being

754
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,199
in the woods on like a beaten off off the road,

755
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:54,719
beaten path.

756
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: You know, well, the person that tipped them off. I

757
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,519
think it was Missus Kirch. I think she tipped them off,

758
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:03,239
and she's putting her clothing on her clown costume and

759
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,639
she's going there because the officer was like, yeah, I

760
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,280
got a tip from a lady Anonymous that plays would

761
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,920
be and I mean the only people that know where

762
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,800
he would be would be Hamlin's wife and then Missus

763
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,599
Kirch as well. Yeah. So I think Kurse is the

764
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:23,000
one who, you know, while they did sleep together and

765
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:26,360
they connected, I think she's definitely playing him and wants

766
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,320
Penny Wise to appear there, so she's getting into her

767
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,719
suit to watch it happen.

768
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, obviously the perspective

769
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:36,760
of the other two guys that we don't really know,

770
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,480
they're like, they're not key players in this season? Who

771
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,719
are part of this? A little hideout here? Like what

772
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,400
are they doing? You know, like they're they're hiding a

773
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,320
guy who broke out of jail here. There's like a

774
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,559
bunch of kids hanging out.

775
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

776
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,199
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like they just had this sequence

777
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,519
in the sewer where multiple comrades of Theirs died, Like

778
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:58,280
what are they doing? I guess you know, it's good

779
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,239
to have like a party, to get everyone's spirits up whatever,

780
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,840
But I feel like you don't do it here like

781
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,760
that that one you plan somewhere else, And obviously we've

782
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,000
seen that particularly the people setting this up are not

783
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,199
like welcome at like the bar in certain places in

784
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,559
Dairy itself, like the main proper town. But I just

785
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,039
feel like timing wise, come on, guys, like you should

786
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,159
have kicked this down the road a couple of weeks

787
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,639
to do this big soiree. But I guess they're excited

788
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,239
they finally got the the place built up.

789
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah cool.

790
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 2: I think that's all my notes, mister Field.

791
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's all I got. That's all I got,

792
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,920
so cool. Right on. It was a good episode. Yeah,

793
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:41,639
we're back next week with the penultimate episode. Maybe you'll

794
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:44,199
see all three of us there, maybe just two. I

795
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,599
don't know. It's a it's a game of roulette with

796
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:52,599
this review, but just be one. Maybe I can't, I can't,

797
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,519
but yeah, until then, have a good one and we'll

798
00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:58,639
see you in the search bar.

799
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: Good night. What