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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KF. I

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<v Speaker 1>am six forty and now Handle on the news. Ladies

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<v Speaker 1>and gentlemen, here's not Bill Handle.

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<v Speaker 2>If I am six forty, it's the Bill Handle Show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm o Kelly in for Bill. And who in the

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<v Speaker 2>hell did I piss off to get this job? What happened?

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<v Speaker 2>What did I do? What did I do wrong? I

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<v Speaker 2>must have like dated somebody's ex girlfriend or something. I

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<v Speaker 2>must have done something wrong, because anyone who knows me

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<v Speaker 2>and Amy King, it's a pleasure to be working with

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<v Speaker 2>the Queen of news, Amy King once again.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning Amy.

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<v Speaker 4>I've missed you.

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<v Speaker 3>I missed you as well, and you know as well

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<v Speaker 3>as anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a morning person in the least. And the

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<v Speaker 2>funny thing about this producer and knows this because we

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<v Speaker 2>had a conversation about this and she was listening to

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<v Speaker 2>my show we host later with Mo Kelly here on

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<v Speaker 2>KFI from seven to ten pm. I had just been

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<v Speaker 2>commenting about how I was not a morning person and

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<v Speaker 2>how literally I said, you couldn't pay me to do

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<v Speaker 2>morning show. My news anchor Mark Ronald was saying, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>have you ever filled in for Bill Handle?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah. I filled in for him a number of times, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always hell because it means that I have to

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<v Speaker 2>get up at around four in the morning, which I

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<v Speaker 2>did today, and I'm always physically ill when I do

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<v Speaker 2>got up at four. This is after doing my show

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<v Speaker 2>last night from seven to ten. I got about three

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<v Speaker 2>hours sleep, and I did pretty well because I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>person who's going to go to sleep around midnight or later,

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<v Speaker 2>and last night was no exception. For as far as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm concerned, it's the same day, it's still yesterday's it's

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<v Speaker 2>late Wednesday night as far as I'm concerned. Come on,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's nice to be reunited with you, Amy King.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me say good morning to Will Cole Schreiver

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<v Speaker 2>and also Kno, we usually do this thing called Earlier

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<v Speaker 2>with Moe when Bill is in on Thursday. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>just going to do a three hour version of Earlier

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<v Speaker 2>with Moe. Love that Bill Handle edition. And I'm not exaggerating.

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<v Speaker 2>Mornings are difficult for me, even though I've done them

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<v Speaker 2>over my professional career. Going back to college, I even

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<v Speaker 2>scheduled my classes around the idea that I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>morning person. I don't even drink coffee, and I had

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<v Speaker 2>a brief conversation with Jason or news director. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>drink coffee except for days like these because I just

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<v Speaker 2>do you have some?

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<v Speaker 3>This morning, I had me.

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<v Speaker 2>A cold triple shot brew of something something something from

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen, okay, and that'll get me through. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't do caffeine generally. I don't do coffee. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>do any type of tea. And it's something that uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just haven't ever developed a taste for.

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<v Speaker 3>And the birds chirping this morning, odd sensation? What is

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<v Speaker 3>that noise? It's like, wait, what's going on here? What

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<v Speaker 3>is that sound?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm excited to have you here, and I'm excited

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<v Speaker 5>to be here, honestly. And you know, I listened to

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<v Speaker 5>your show at night and because i'll text you when

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<v Speaker 5>you're talking about certain things, and I did hear you

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<v Speaker 5>talking about not enjoying getting up early.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's kind of funny. Actually, it's almost serendipitous. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's the word for it. I was thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 3>never would I be in this chair again?

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, and here I am, like four days later in

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<v Speaker 2>this share it was almost two days. I have had

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<v Speaker 2>this long conversation on my show later with Mo Kelly

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<v Speaker 2>that Oscar Oscar Ramira is our operations manager and assistant

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<v Speaker 2>program director, reached out to me and said, hey, Mo,

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<v Speaker 2>I got this idea. I was wondering would you be

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<v Speaker 2>available to fill in? It sounded like it was William

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<v Speaker 2>Shatner is doing Captain Kurtzy. Oh Mo, how about this?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any time maybe that you could sit

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<v Speaker 2>in for Bill Handel? And I was thinking, uh, no, Oscar,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that you knew that I was not a

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<v Speaker 2>morning person. And yeah, when they ask you, when station

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<v Speaker 2>management asked you to do something, it's not a request,

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically saying we need you to do this. We're

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<v Speaker 2>being polite and if you don't do it, you're probably

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be fired. So I said, Okay, I'll get up

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<v Speaker 2>at four in the morning. But but there are some

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<v Speaker 2>great things to this, like I've never had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to work with an I've never been able to work

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<v Speaker 2>with Cono specifically. I don't know what that hat is

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<v Speaker 2>he's wearing. I don't know what that hat, What does

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<v Speaker 2>that hat? What does that say?

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<v Speaker 3>The infamous World Series Champions hughs Nastros No no no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>let's get something straight right now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a Dodger town, and this is a Dodger station,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm a Dodger fan, and we don't like the

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<v Speaker 2>Houston Astros because you're a bunch of cheaters. That was Peter,

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<v Speaker 2>that was many moons ago.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, no, no, no cheaters, Dan cheaters all.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, and we won without the trash cans a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years later. So what does that have to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the year that you did cheat and the year

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<v Speaker 2>that you supposedly beat my beloved Los Angeles Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you guys just had to cheat better. Oh you do. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>King is at your fans.

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<v Speaker 2>We can turn this so off right now, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have misunderstanding in the hallway.

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<v Speaker 3>Amy can get him.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh well, I get to work with him every day,

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<v Speaker 4>so you've got a little luck. There are paybacks.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh one thing, mouth mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 5>I know you hate your commute. So the one redeeming

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<v Speaker 5>thing about this time?

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<v Speaker 3>Right old fast? Did you get here?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Put it this way.

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<v Speaker 2>I got up at four o'clock. I lived twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>miles away. I was here by four to forty five.

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<v Speaker 2>After taking a shower, brushing my teeth feeding the dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to Benson and Riley, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Did it all and got here at four forty two.

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<v Speaker 4>And during a regular day, how long does it normally

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<v Speaker 4>take you to get here?

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<v Speaker 3>Hour and a half? They know, two hours if it's

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<v Speaker 3>non daylight saving time.

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<v Speaker 4>So you get coffee, you get a short commute, and

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<v Speaker 4>you get to hang out with us. Quit complaining.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>The part is when I get home, I will take

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<v Speaker 2>a nap, and people say, well, you shouldn't take a nap.

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<v Speaker 3>That ruins the rest of your day. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a nap with my name on it at nine thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>right around the second segment of Gary and Shetner.

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<v Speaker 4>Except it's gonna take an hour and a half to

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<v Speaker 4>get home. So that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why I have the triple shop so I

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<v Speaker 2>can stay awake during my commute home.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's okay, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I have the best job in the world, no bones

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<v Speaker 2>about it, best job in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And with that, let's get to it. Handle on the

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<v Speaker 3>news lead story.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any money.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't buy at the Federal Reserve.

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<v Speaker 2>In a closely watched decision yesterday, held the line and

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<v Speaker 2>held interest rates. But we don't know what's going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in the future. And here's the basic rule. If

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<v Speaker 2>the Fed would have lowered interest rates, it would have

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<v Speaker 2>sent a signal to the markets that the economy was

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<v Speaker 2>slowing down. So it's good news news if you're an investor.

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<v Speaker 2>Good news interest rates are holding depending on how you

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<v Speaker 2>look at it. But in the future, it's looked at

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<v Speaker 2>that there will be some interest rate decreases by the

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<v Speaker 2>Federal Reserve. Now what's holding up this what I'll say

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<v Speaker 2>some of the decision points. It has to do with

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump's teriffs. We don't know how the market's going

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<v Speaker 2>to respond, we don't know how other countries are genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>going to respond. We don't know how long President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>may keep these tariffs in place. And until we start

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<v Speaker 2>seeing some of the results and some of the effects,

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<v Speaker 2>then we don't know what direction our economy is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be. Let's say in three months or six months,

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<v Speaker 2>and then maybe in the next quarter, the Federal Reserve

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<v Speaker 2>will look at this and then come to some other

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<v Speaker 2>decision about where the economy is. But but you could

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<v Speaker 2>also say, Okay, maybe our economy is not as bad

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<v Speaker 2>off as some have said the reason being because interest

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<v Speaker 2>rates have not come down. It's kind of an inverse

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<v Speaker 2>psychology where you bring down the interest rates if the

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<v Speaker 2>economy is slowing down, and if it's doing well, then

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<v Speaker 2>interest rates will usually go up to kind of keep

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<v Speaker 2>the economy under control. But you know, for everyone I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, oh, who's that?

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<v Speaker 3>Who's that?

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<v Speaker 4>That would have been will.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh oh will do you do you disagree? There?

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<v Speaker 4>No, he is just clearing his I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>He was trying to send me a message like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>my economy, MO is not exactly all that good right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me just quietly and you know, unmistakably disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 3>How about that?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, shut her down. President Trump is set

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<v Speaker 4>to sign an executive order that seeks to eliminate the

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<v Speaker 4>US Department of Education. Remember when he appointed his education secretary,

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<v Speaker 4>said my ultimate goal is to have you be out

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<v Speaker 4>of a job. Because he want to get rid of

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<v Speaker 4>the department. He's expected to sign it today at a

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<v Speaker 4>White House ceremony with several Republican governors and state education

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<v Speaker 4>commissioners on hand. He says he's going to direct Linda

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<v Speaker 4>McMahon to take all necessary steps to facilitate the closure

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<v Speaker 4>of the Department of Education and return education authority to

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<v Speaker 4>the States caveat. He can't do it without Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a hard pill for me to swallow. It's

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<v Speaker 2>only because I'm a child of two educators. Both my

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<v Speaker 2>parents were elementary, middle and high school teachers. I'm always

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<v Speaker 2>going to be on the side of more education, not

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<v Speaker 2>less than When you talk about the Department of Education,

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about pelgrams, you're talking about federal student aid

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<v Speaker 2>and also special education among other things. But that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of the reason why it's hard for me to accept

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<v Speaker 2>that we would shudder the Department of Education. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>can make the argument that maybe we should better spend

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<v Speaker 2>the money used by the Department of Education, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where I would prefer a forensic audit as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>just closing the agency all together.

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<v Speaker 3>But President Trump is President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that this was something that he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and if you're a supporter of President Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a promise made and it's a promise kept

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<v Speaker 2>by him. That's why you don't lose elections. Then you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to worry about these things. Green Peace, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they may be in the red going forward. You may

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<v Speaker 2>remember that we had the North Dakota Access pipeline protests

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<v Speaker 2>back in twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen thereabouts. Well in

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<v Speaker 2>North Dakota, jeury has found Greenpeace liable for deformation, ordering

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<v Speaker 2>it to pay more than six hundred and sixty million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in damages to an oil company for the environmental

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<v Speaker 2>protests in US history. And if you look at this

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<v Speaker 2>And the lawsuit, which was filed in state court, had

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<v Speaker 2>argued that green Peace was behind quote an unlawful and

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<v Speaker 2>quote green Peace. Obviously they're going to appeal, but it

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<v Speaker 2>engaged in more than fifty years of activism, but that

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<v Speaker 2>could all change if this judgment stands. And I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>This is like nine years ago at this point, and

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<v Speaker 2>the tesla. That's vandalism, that's violence. That's something completely different.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not protests. That's the strung hitting.

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<v Speaker 4>The streets, hitting going out to a location, protestings thing,

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<v Speaker 4>we want this, we want this. Yeah, I don't get

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<v Speaker 4>where they get at six hundred and sixty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I don't know either, but clearly, clearly

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<v Speaker 2>the Energy Transfer was able to demonstrate that they had

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<v Speaker 2>been harmed and could quantify that amount of damage. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean it's going to hold up under appeal, but

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<v Speaker 2>at least in the meantime, Green Peace is going to

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<v Speaker 4>What if you called nine one one and no one answered.

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<v Speaker 4>That happened yesterday. The nine one one system in La

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<v Speaker 4>County went down only for about twenty minutes, but it

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<v Speaker 4>did impact all twenty three stations. Isn't that like your

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<v Speaker 4>biggest fears that you called for help and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Amy King, let me tell you about living in

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<v Speaker 2>the hood. I'm here to tell you does that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Does it happen? The question is when does it not happen?

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<v Speaker 2>And I've lived in mostly suburban communities, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>the times that I've had to call nine one one.

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<v Speaker 2>It was hit and miss as to whether anyone would

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<v Speaker 2>show up. There was a song by Public Enemy called

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<v Speaker 2>nine one one is a joke, and it talks about

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<v Speaker 2>the absence of law enforcement and emergency services when it

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<v Speaker 2>Nine to one one is a joke in your town,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one of the lyrics. So the idea of first

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<v Speaker 2>responders not responding to certain communities, that's not new. What

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<v Speaker 2>is new is the reason behind it. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>think about LA Sheriff's Department, well, I think twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>different stations, and to think that nothing would be available

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone for an extended period of time, that would

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<v Speaker 2>scare me. But the idea of calling nine one and

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<v Speaker 2>no one responding, I can't speak for anyone else. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here to tell you that is not unusual. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>true story. I believe you Elon Musk has been using

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<v Speaker 2>immigration and claims a voter fraud as a way to

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<v Speaker 2>sell his Social Security administration cuts. And if you didn't know,

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<v Speaker 2>Musk has this idea that immigration or illegal immigration has

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<v Speaker 2>a direct connection to Social Security. He's claimed that undocumented

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<v Speaker 2>immigrants are fraudulently accessing hundreds of billions of dollars worth

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<v Speaker 2>of entitlements, including Social Security, Medicaid, and disability programs.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote this is what Elon Musk had to say. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>By using entitlements fraud, the Democrats have been able to

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<v Speaker 2>attract and retain vast numbers of illegal immigrants and by

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<v Speaker 2>voters basically bring in ten twenty million people who are

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<v Speaker 2>beholden to the Democrats for government handouts and will vote

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelmingly Democrat, as has been demonstrated in California clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is my issue, in a general sense, with what

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk is do. Where all of us, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think all of us would agree that waste, fraud and

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<v Speaker 2>has to go. I think we could agree on that.

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<v Speaker 2>We may not agree on the processes involved. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not a forensic audit. This is Elon must saying I

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<v Speaker 2>see this and it's because of that. Well, show us

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<v Speaker 2>the data, show us the proof, be specific, show us

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<v Speaker 2>the line items. Give us more examples than anecdotal thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>about this incident or that incident. We know that he

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<v Speaker 2>has had some issues interpreting social security data, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think all of us are familiar with forensic audits. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't happen in a day. They happen over a period

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<v Speaker 2>just take his word for it, then he'll always receive resistance.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember show and tell, well, it requires both. Don't just

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<v Speaker 4>Penn's losing millions for a swimmer. The Trump administration is

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<v Speaker 4>frozen one hundred and seventy five million dollars in federal

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<v Speaker 4>funding to the University of Pennsylvania, citing policies allowing transgender

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<v Speaker 4>athletes to compete in women's sports. And this all really

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<v Speaker 4>centers around Leah Thomas, who is the transgender swimmer who

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<v Speaker 4>has done really well in the women's competition, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>spurred some lawsuits and that kind of stuff. Earlier this month,

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<v Speaker 4>the federal government also suspended four hundred million dollars in

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<v Speaker 4>funding to Columbia University following months of campus protests and

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<v Speaker 2>I always say, get the easy ones right. I have

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<v Speaker 2>these sayings axioms if you will get the easy ones

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<v Speaker 2>right when it comes to transgender athletes. For me, get

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<v Speaker 2>the easy ones right. Sports at its best is about

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<v Speaker 2>making sure you have an even playing field as far

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<v Speaker 2>as competition. There's a difference between sex and gender. I

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<v Speaker 2>think people conflate them wrongly. Sex is how you're born,

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. It's relatively easy for me, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's controversial to say, hey, there are biological

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<v Speaker 2>men who would then have a physical competitive advantage. When

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about sports it, I would say it defeats

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose of Title nine when you have biologically male

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<v Speaker 2>athletes competing against biologically female athletes, which is different from

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<v Speaker 2>how someone wants to present themselves and live in a

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<v Speaker 3>Am I wrong, Amy King? I mean, am I thought?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so?

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<v Speaker 4>I think you know I've thought about this a lot

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<v Speaker 4>because it's been you know, such a point of contention,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's fine. However you choose to live your life,

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<v Speaker 4>that's fine. But like you said, level playing field. So

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<v Speaker 4>if you put somebody, I mean, it's like putting a

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<v Speaker 4>put Michael Phelps in a pool with I can't remember Lindsey,

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<v Speaker 4>some fabulous female swimmer. He's gonna blow her out of

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<v Speaker 1>Hm.

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<v Speaker 4>So have a category maybe, and have a transgender category.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the easiest answer. I think that.

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<v Speaker 4>Would be fair for everyone. Then you're competing against people.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a level playing field. Without you're not discriminating against anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not discriminating, and you're not demeaning.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly because yeah, I mean again, if you want to

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a way that we can have these conversations and

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<v Speaker 2>be respectful at acknowledge some unassailable truths without dehumanizing. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And I always say watch your prepositions. Don't just talk

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<v Speaker 2>about a group of people. Talk with them, don't talk

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<v Speaker 2>the debate and dialogue, we can navigate this saying nothing

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a different discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a way that we can maneuver this, navigate

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<v Speaker 2>this and get the easy ones right. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Social Security Administration is going to now require in person

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<v Speaker 2>identity checks beginning March thirty first, the end of this month,

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<v Speaker 2>people will no longer be able to verify their identity

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<v Speaker 2>to the Social Security Administration over the phone, and those

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<v Speaker 2>who cannot properly verify their identity over the agencies quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote my Social Security online service, they'll be required to

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<v Speaker 2>verification process. And this change will apply to the new

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<v Speaker 3>To me, that's that's a no brainer. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can say, well, it's inconvenient or I don't understand,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would liking it to let's say, getting an updated passport.

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<v Speaker 2>That there's some things you just need to do in person.

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<v Speaker 2>Some things, yes, you can do online and it shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>It's just me. You know what do I say, get

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<v Speaker 3>the easy ones right?

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<v Speaker 4>Boots are back, and so are the attacks on and

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<v Speaker 4>Israel has started airstrikes against the Gods Strip again. They

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<v Speaker 4>refusing to budge when it comes to releasing any more hostages.

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<v Speaker 4>That breaks the two months cease fire. And now Israel

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<v Speaker 4>Netanyahu is prioritizing his political survival over the security of

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<v Speaker 2>You know, in this thing we call talk radio, we're

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<v Speaker 2>always supposed to have these well formed or even not

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<v Speaker 2>even well formed opinions about everything. And this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of those times where I'm going to readily admit I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea what the answer is. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what the solution is. There is the problem what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in Gaza right now. And whereas I'm sympathetic to

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<v Speaker 2>and how I don't want innocent Palestinians killed as collateral

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<v Speaker 2>damage in this war, I also understand that hey, we're

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<v Speaker 2>here because of Hamas and what happened on October seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's no clean way to get through this. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how the world is going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to maneuver this Middle East conflict, and we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's going to further conflagrate is that the right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we have the bombings recently by President Trump

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<v Speaker 4>And last night there were projectiles headed to Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yemen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, this morning they were coming in from Gaza, but

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<v Speaker 2>So Amy, I think you make the great points that

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<v Speaker 2>all this is connected on some level. It's not just Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just Gaza and Yemen. It's not just Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>Yemen and Iran. It's not just Gaza Yemen Iran and Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all connect on some levels, So we can't look

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<v Speaker 2>I say we, it's obviously going to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States included, because what Israel does is usually done

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<v Speaker 2>in consultation with the United States, and there is Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>as I say on other issues, it's going to get

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<v Speaker 2>worse before it gets better. And also as we move

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<v Speaker 2>on to the next story, there are some implications as

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<v Speaker 2>far as what may happen in the Ukraine and Russia conflict.

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine and Russia have agreed in principle to a limited

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<v Speaker 2>ceasefire after President Trump spoke with the country's leaders in

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<v Speaker 2>different conversations this week, and for me, I think everything

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<v Speaker 2>is going to hinge on whether Russian President Putin is

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<v Speaker 2>willing to at least have some sort of good faith

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<v Speaker 2>approach to the ceasefire. It's one thing to agree in

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<v Speaker 2>pres but if you're still bombing infrastructure, then you're not

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<v Speaker 2>exactly showing yourself as someone who's in good faith is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to move toward a ceasefire. I need to see

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm in that negotiation. I need to see Russia

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<v Speaker 2>make some sort of concession. Where you have Ukraine who

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<v Speaker 2>was invaded, you have to have Russia who is not

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<v Speaker 2>trying to see the territory that it has taken in

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<v Speaker 2>this invasion. I would need to see something from Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of good faith gesture for me to believe

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<v Speaker 2>that the ceasefire or the limited ceasefire of thirty days,

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<v Speaker 2>is actually going to happen. I am more pessimistic than

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<v Speaker 2>optimistic that this cease fire is going to hold, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just have, as President Trump will say, we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens. It's the Bill Handle Show. I'm Okelly and

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