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Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate body and soul, or

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should I just say Bunny?

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Speaker 2: Hello, Philthy movie lovers, something Weirdos and anti Criterion Bros.

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To the twenty second episode of The Sin Syndicate, Your

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Guide to the strange and mysterious world of fantasy, fucking

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and astral projected orgasms. My name is Gentry Austen, writer

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and researcher, and I'm here with my co host, adult

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film historian Casey Scott, and today we will be answering

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the question what if Guy Madden directed a sexploitation film

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after mainlining Hackson and what if it was narrated by

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a couple braindead junior college students. The focus of this

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episode will be director author Madman possible alien abductee Victor

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Lumineras nineteen seventy three freak Out from the Underground, Psyched

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by the four D Witch, See what happened in the

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All The mystic Witch called album.

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Speaker 3: G you this well? Do hex any raise the need

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ball you know the raise? Don't Beware of the forty Witch.

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Speaker 1: Beware she send your minds, She said the first from

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the belly of the Bill Finch.

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Speaker 3: First, beware of the forty weed.

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Speaker 2: But first, if you listen to our last episode, you

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might have heard our sad story about our carefully curated

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Instagram account getting put in time out. Well, the update

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is that the appeal did not go through and we

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have started from scratch, casey, which means we lost some

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of our lovely followers like Sean Baker please come back

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to us. But we gained a Yeah, I don't know,

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I followed him. He's he's busy interview in Makokaji right now.

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Speaker 3: So which I will talk We should talk about that

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because I'm I'm pretty miffed about that. Actually, pick go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, we gained a Joe Bob last night

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I saw he threw us a follow Thank you, Joe

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Speaker 3: Great. We love having him on board. Yeah, because we

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talked about it like he was promoting Sexploctation on VHS

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before something Weird was even doing it. Doris Swissman and

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Steve Apostle off releases at Rhino, and there was another

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you had mentioned, yeah, he's kind of known

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roots pretty deep in sexploitation. I'd love to talk to

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him actually, and I bet he would like to talk

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about it too, because it's not something he probably gets

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asked about a lot, you know, some of the early

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sexploitation stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's something like there are a few

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of his films that he like introduced on VHS as

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Joe Bob Briggs that we could do, Like Suburban Roulette,

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one of the I would think that was for a

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long time, the only Hershall Gordon Lewis exploitation movie that

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was on tape. It was just that one, and I

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remember he was more like Nude on the Moon being released,

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and I think the chesty Morgans, so yeah, very good guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John Bloom Yeah. Agfud recently put up a go

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fundme or I can't is it Patreon. I don't know

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what it is for the for the Krshell Gordon Lewis restorations,

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but that might be a fun episode if they do,

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to maybe revisit with Joe Bob.

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it's another Louise down. It's you know that she uh

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is least in I think it's probably her last starring role. Yeah,

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oh yeah, so I guess before we go, Yeah this Macokagi. Okay,

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so listen to Mako. I love you, but people, I

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am trying to get you interviewed for Blu Rays and

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all this shit for years and your show you show

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up in person in LA, We're only a handful of

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people can see you. I'm not happy girl. You wouldn't

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even do an interview her criterion, come on, now, come

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on now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know it was the money.

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to get her and she didn't do an interview. So

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what the earth is moved? And yeah I wasn't. I

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was just not. I was happy for the people who

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get to see her, but I'm also not happy because

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Speaker 2: Makeoutom screening, like, was it hard to get into?

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Speaker 3: No? I think Sam Deegan was promoting a and she's

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the one. That's how I found out about it. So

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like she might have just had a change in heart

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regarding her work, like commenting her work in the last

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few years. That happens, you know, You've you deal with

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the sex film industry, like five years ago, maybe they

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wouldn't want to talk, you know, now they might, so yeah.

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was when kill Bill came out. That was that was

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the best time to talk because all of our songs

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were getting traction again too. I mean, it was a

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good money making opportunity for her, and she didn't. Yeah,

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like Sunny Chiba jumped on that, Mako did not, which

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I thought was very unusual. So yeah, I'd love to

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know the deal. I'm glad that she's come around, But

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like Mako, let's let's get you on camera. Let's get

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on camera, girl, Let's do it.

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aren't those out of print? With error?

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Speaker 3: The Stray Cats and the Female Prisoners I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: Now, I know that that book I've had them.

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came out because it was like, there's no way I'm

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missing these because they're all great. So well, strake Cats

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aren't all great, but all the Prisoner films are terrific. Yeah.

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nice booklet with it. Did you get that? Because that's melody?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, because that was one when I had money,

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I was pre booking stuff, and now I rarely pre

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book anything unless I know that I need like a

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nice special edition of it.

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Speaker 2: All right, we won't go down this road.

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Speaker 3: No, we have a lot of drugs and sex to

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talk about, all us about this Novak vault. Oh that's right, okay,

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of updates we had to do because I was listening

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Instagram that I have a we have an ongoing mega

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watch list on letterbox where I've added every single movie

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that we mentioned, not just this Expectation movie, like every

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movie that we've mentioned. So like I did, we talked,

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you know. So but I was listening back and I realized, oh, yeah,

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the know, And luckily we have a lot of good

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connection to people in the know who will reach out

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way to describe it was original camera negatives. At the

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very least original negatives are still around for these So

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is nobody doing anything with the stuff. I think it's

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too easy to say, well, it's Carmen, because we've had

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no back stuff get reissued. I think it's just someone's

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gonna have to step up, and yeah, I don't I

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don't know who that's going to be. But that's good

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news to know that. Yeah, the kiss Me Quick negative

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is there, the Toy Box negative is there? You know,

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all that good stuff.

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the buckloos together. But absolutely I'm a super fan. So

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doing like well, there were two Anchor Bay and Image

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it was a passion projects. So I think if you're

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Speaker 3: I have my Harry Novak lists, I hope my Harry

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but I've watched pretty much all the best stuff. Another

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Paul Hunts of his Paul Hunts history. But so Canyean

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been either bought out or pushed out or something, and

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he didn't discuss it as far as I can tell.

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this company, but only one kept it going for the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think the last update is

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we talked about a song that played in the toy

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box during the Orgy sequence that we both loved, and

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catalog and I was going through it on Spotify. There

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a bunch of Johnny Kitchen compilations on there, and I

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of Chance. So it's on Spotify, it's on Apple Music.

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think that's just all that's available, but yeah, it's a

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of a company called Essential Media Group, and they're based

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which Unit Disc is based in Canada. Is it Uni Disc? Yeah?

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music the music digitally and on CD, and Essential Media

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is similar to that. So I might reach out to

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them to ask about this Jack Millman library because I

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really want the I really want the stuff that's in

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Ride the Hot Wind that shows up in dozens and

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dozens of films. It seems like they're focuses mostly on

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these these bands, these fake bands like Victims of Chance.

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None of that stuff is None of those bands did

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at music. The mystery continues. But I'm glad that you

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were able to id that song, yeah, because you were

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very excited when you said that story.

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Speaker 2: I think that was another one that I got from YouTube. Yeah,

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when the episodes upload to YouTube, sometimes they'll they'll catch

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copyright and that was one of them. But yeah, I

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is on a compilation from Essential Media group called Buzz

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Psych and Surf Garage Sounds of the Sixties. It's a

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compilation from twenty thirteen. There's a bunch of bands on

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here I need to check out.

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Speaker 3: And there used to be more sort of instrumental ones

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streaming for a while, but then those kind of vanished.

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that's left is now like bands and vocal recordings, but yeah,

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worth a deep dive to see if you recognize anything,

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and even if you don't, it's really good, like low budget,

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kind of grungy, you know, rock psych stuff from the

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late sixties.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I've been going through all those Nuggets compilations again recently

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because I love those. Another project, and yeah, I'm kind

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of back in garage rock mode for a bit here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the Pebble series back from the Grave,

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those are all really good. Yeah, like that. I was

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around the time I was into ex rotation. That's when

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go hand in hand, they do sort of. I mean,

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there's something grungy, low budget these films and the music.

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Speaker 1: We of this science dominated twentieth century tend to be

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smugly certain that we live in a very solid, very

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matter of fact, three dimensional world.

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Speaker 2: And nothing more.

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Speaker 1: Yet, strong evidence now available reveals that deep within and

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behind this physical world of ours stands another more ethereal realm,

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totally ignored by science because of a reluctance to investigate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the which I know in the

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past some of these movies that we talk about are

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not the easiest to find, but it's worth mentioning that

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this is available on archive dot Org. I think it

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might even be on TUB. I don't know if it's

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as I never trust the versions that are on to B,

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so that's like always my last resort. I don't know

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if you've viewed that to check if anything's cut.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes if I go to letterbox and it says it's

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on t B, I'll go to tub and it's like

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a riff tracks version and that's not helpful for me

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because I want to watch the actual movie. And then

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a few cases where they have a Spanish language version

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of something with no subtitles or captions and they don't

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have an English version, so that does happen sometimes. I

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think in this case, though, I think it is just

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like a straight transfer of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, what's the rights issues with this? I know

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this was put out by something weird.

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Speaker 3: Huh is it with still Monster or Go Go? Yeah?

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I mean it's orphaned, it's it's you know, it's new

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It was copyrighted to New Art Films, but New Art

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Films doesn't exist anymore, and Emerson Films doesn't exist anymore,

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and Emerson Films didn't own it in perpetuity. It was reissued.

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It was released by Emerson in nineteen seventy three, and

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then it was reissued nineteen seventy six by Clamiel Productions.

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And there's a copyright at the Copyright Office that has

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all sorts of wrong information, and it's a registration in

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two thousand and one, which is a year before Something

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Weird put it out, and it credits Clamille Productions, which

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is misspelled, and then also credits it to lou Tillman Productions,

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who had nothing to do with this. So this is

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a great example of a falsified government record at the

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Copyright Office that someone could get in real trouble for

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if that was traced.

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Speaker 2: Happens all the time possified it.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea somebody in two thousand and one

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that might have been trying to stop something Weird from

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putting it out. But this is not a legitimate copyright

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representation of film because it does not even mention the

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original copyright claimant that's on the credits of the movie.

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So that's interesting, But yeah, it's orphaned. So which means

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there's a copyright notice on it, but it's not enforceable

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because New Art Films is not around anymore and from

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what I can tell from public records for the director,

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he had no children.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I know this is a favorite of joe

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Zie over at AGFAS, So maybe they'll do something with it.

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I could this is totally like a bleeding skull type

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of picture. I could see them putting on something.

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Speaker 3: Or but they have film elements that would be great.

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But if it's a case where like this is we

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we've been seeing a lot of something weird separate. The

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all they have the is the SBS transfers left, So

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I don't know if they have a thirty five on this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean what's available now looks pretty good from

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what I'm what I watched. I mean, right, you can

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see all the imperfections in the skin of our.

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Speaker 3: Leading lady, right, I mean, yeah, that's a nice transfer

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from that print that image did. But but yeah, if

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we want a new transfer for Blu Ray, it had

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to be from like a film element, otherwise it's just

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an SVHS. And I really don't like when ACFA does that.

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Some films just don't need to make the jump to

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Blu ray because you're they're not You're not going to

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have them in HD, so they shouldn't be on Blu ray.

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I'm sorry, like unpopular opinion. Yeah, blu ray is reserved

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for high that's it's high definition. If it's SVHS, it's

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not going to be high definition. So just don't put

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it on Blu ray.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think in response to that, you know, I've

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seen AGFA doing those compilations where they've kind of like

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mashed things up and created sort of a fund Yeah,

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I think that's the way to go with these that

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only have video elements.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I like when they do that. That's

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very true.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens with this one, because yeah,

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this is this is ripe for AGFA and Bleeding Skull

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or the Bleeding Skull team. They have their own imprint, now,

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don't they.

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Speaker 3: They do, But I've focused mostly on I think eighties

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and nineties stuff. That's mostly. I think that's or they

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do some seventy stuff, but not much. I think they did.

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I don't remember if that was them or not. It

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was like Treasure of the Ninja, which was an eight

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millimeter thing I think that was. I think it might

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have been Act for not Bleeding Bleeding skull.

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Speaker 2: Well, remember we should read the synopsis of this one.

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Speaker 3: Uh sure, yes, well so first you know, this was

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volume forty six of Frank Canon Letter Sexy Shockers from

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the vaults when something we were to put it out.

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And then it was released in two thousand and two

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on a double feature with Monster or Go Go, which

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they licensed from Jeffrey Sea Hoage's Majestic International, which that's

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a whole thing we can discuss at some other time.

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Jeffrey Sea Hogue is iffy anyway. Uh yeah, I don't

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know where he got the rights of this stuff, if

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he even got it legit.

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Speaker 2: The synopsis from the DVD is not even Monster a

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Go Goo can prepare you for Psyched for the four D,

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which the most maddening, jaw dropping and mind bending piece

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of celluloid lunacy ever to play American movie theaters. Innocent

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little Cindy becomes possessed by the sex crazed spirit of

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a Salem witch, while her brother becomes the King of

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sex vampires. In this crackpot oddity, told almost entirely in

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LSD style, psychedelic effects advertised as a psychic freak out

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from the underground. Repeated viewings may very well cause brain tumors,

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chromosome damage, and flashbacks. Consider yourself warned.

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Speaker 6: The magic Woods are that's fantasy. Fuck Now, just obey

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by voice when I speak the interview in here, which

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will be once a week at varying times, And I

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promise you fan astec sex adventures and fabulous orgasm, and

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I'll still remain a virgin for my daddy.

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Speaker 5: Go indeed, when do we start?

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Speaker 2: So who is the madman behind this psychedelic freak out?

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There are some pseudonyms involved here, right, casey.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So the real identity of this guy was Lawrence

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Milton Voren and so he did everything on this movie. Essentially,

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he is a Victor Lumonia great name is credited for writer, producer, director,

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casting director, costume designer, props and composer. Which composer is

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crazy because he didn't do any of the music. Now,

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Larry Milton is obviously Lawrence Milton born, cinematographer, editor, special

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effects lighting Milton, Lawrence his name's flipped, is executive producer.

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So this really was just a one man operation. And

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watching the movie you can definitely tell it's a one

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man operation, yeah yeah, but it's a passion project. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: He was a passion So it's like, what, what's the

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passion behind this? Because he has a history in I mean, okay,

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let's talk about it, like yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, so, first of all, he was born in nineteen

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twenty four in Oregon. The earliest record I could find

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of him anywhere was in nineteen forty four. There's a

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record of him being drafted and failing to report for induction,

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so already and during World War Two not wanting to

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go to war very unpopular. This was not Vietnam when

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people were burning their draft cards. If he got drafted

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in World War Two, you went, and he was not

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going to go. So I think he went to jail

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and had to pay a fine after that. The earliest

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record that we have of him doing anything related to

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this kind of weird stuff that we see in the

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movie is so he founded a company called the World

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of Tomorrow Foundation in nineteen fifty eight, and we don't

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really necessarily know what the World of Tomorrow Foundation is.

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I think it was an LLC that he created to

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publish books on like electromagnetic fields and you know, connections

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to to add space and astral projection and kind of

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weird sci fi adjacent kind of kind of things.

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Speaker 2: But what we can tell is that he was this

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was like serious. He wasn't doing this.

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, this was right. This was not like a

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huckster situation. This wasn't like a Sylvia Brown psycheah. This

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wasn't like yeah, it wasn't somebody yeah, because there was.

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I'm just going by the tracings that we found, which

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by the way, we should credit. There is a user

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on letterbox who basically did a huge info dump on

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that where he has put link after link after link,

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and the guy's name is Joe Buck and I, you know,

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I like crediting courses, so he was his stuff. His

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research is really helpful here and it led to other

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paths that I was. So he first used the Victor

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Lumineer pseudonym in nineteen sixty four when he made he

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published this book called Course and Electromagnetic Love, Parts one

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to seven, and it was red to his real name.

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But then it also mentions DBS World of Tomorrow Foundation,

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and there's a few other books that were that were

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published that were connected to that. That organization He've also

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published a book called Woman, A Glorious Destiny Awaits You,

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a new scientific breakthrough Revelation, which was published in nineteen

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sixty five, So he he was obviously interested in these

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these kind of publications. But I also found very interesting

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advertisement in this in this September nineteen sixty issue of

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a newsletter called Chimes, which was like a newsletter that

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was shipped out mailed out to different people about like

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the psychic realm, the spirituality. It featured a column by

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Ron Ormond. But I don't know if it's that Ron

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Armond might have been, but it's more it hit The

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column in this newsletter opens with a quote from the Bible,

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which seems to track that it might have been that

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ron Ormond, could have been that Ron Ormond. But this

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advertisement that I found says it's advertising something called rainbow Light.

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So the advertisements at last lift your vibrations through the

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scented mystical atmosphere of rainbow light for inducing relax relaxation, meditation,

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and communion with spirit realms. And so you pay. It's

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a three dollars mail or two for five. It comes

471
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,240
with the reflector a six month supply of mystic incense

472
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,759
and instructions. So if you wrote to him at the

473
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:29,480
World at Tomorrow Foundation in Los Angeles something called rainbow light,

474
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,519
which is connected to something that he was really fascinated with,

475
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:39,519
which was the use of color and lighting to as

476
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:43,559
like therapy. Yeah so yeah, so yeah, which you can

477
00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:46,319
see in this film because they're so the film is

478
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:49,759
really told through lighting and effects and things like that,

479
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,000
and it's not really there's no live sound. The acting

480
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:55,480
is barely there. There really isn't a lot of focus

481
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:59,599
on the characters. Even there's so many cutaways. It's really

482
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,000
together by narration.

483
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,519
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find it what this rainbow light was,

484
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,319
So it's kind yeah mechacter. It's probably just like a

485
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,079
spinning light maybe with colors and it reflects off something

486
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,079
and then yeah, you just and then there's a sense

487
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,160
holder inside or something.

488
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: Right, right, and like for three dollars, so three if

489
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,599
you order one for three or two for five, I mean,

490
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,119
that's not a bad deal in nineteen sixty. Let me

491
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,559
see what that was. Five dollars in nineteen sixty worth

492
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:34,480
today like thirty bucks, maybe fifty five dollars today.

493
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so fifty.

494
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: Five dollars for this a reflector, six month supplies of incense,

495
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,200
and your instructions.

496
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,319
Speaker 2: Well, how much is muco pain for those those like rocks,

497
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,920
those salt rocks or whatever they are.

498
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,079
Speaker 3: That's true, you.

499
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: Know what I'm talking about?

500
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: I do, I do well? And that well, that was

501
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:56,039
so this add is from nineteen sixty, but there was

502
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,960
also evidence that he was so. In nineteen nineteen fifty nine,

503
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,880
he went to a convention that was the Amalgamated Flying

504
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,519
Saucer Clubs of America's first national convention, and so he

505
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:09,680
presented something called the New Age Color Symphony, which was

506
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:14,839
a presentation of animated light set to music for therapeutic purposes.

507
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,960
And so he was pursuing these theories of color and

508
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:24,079
light used to you know, use s therapy, which was

509
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,359
kind of tied into this this very unusual early forty

510
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:34,119
forties experimental technique that was turned into films called Auroratone Films,

511
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:38,599
and that was to assist American American soldiers with PTSD

512
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,920
after World War Two. So it's interesting that he was

513
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,559
like actively serious about the use of color and light

514
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440
to act and its effect on people in their in

515
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,480
their in their minds and their moods. Whether he was

516
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,880
successful with this this film, I not. For me, it wasn't,

517
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,319
but who knows. Maybe somebody wanted to go see this

518
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,759
and it was kind of like en you know.

519
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:04,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can definitely see him. I'm incorporating it in

520
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,839
this film, but it seems like sort of a bastardized

521
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,279
version of it. Like wish I wish he did like

522
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:13,480
a film that we could view that is more pure,

523
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,079
it's not doesn't have these horror elements in it. I

524
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,039
don't know, like a true experimental film that would be

525
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:19,880
interesting to see.

526
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: Right Well, this kind of plays like it's very similar

527
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:25,839
to kind of like underground films that you were seeing

528
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,279
in the late sixties early seventies, but those were really

529
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:34,119
tied to like psychedelics and counterculture, whereas I think he

530
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,039
accidentally was tied to counterculture because of the use of

531
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,720
color and light because that was so popular, you know,

532
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,920
and like Jerry Abrams lighting you know, rock shows in

533
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,480
San Francisco and things like that, and that basically the

534
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,079
you know, pop culture tying in color and light to

535
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,240
like LSD and psychedelics and things like that. But I'm

536
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:57,079
not finding any evidence that that's necessarily what he was

537
00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,160
interested in he wasn't really necessarily interested in psychedelics, was

538
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,359
interested in creating a similar effect to psychedelics just using

539
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,799
color and light, which is actually pretty scientific, I mean similar,

540
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,799
I mean LSD was using experiments to see how it

541
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:15,160
could treat people with PTSD other mental disorders and things

542
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,000
like that. So it seems like he's trying to go

543
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:21,279
a different route and just use natural light and color

544
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:23,839
to see how that affects people.

545
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,039
Speaker 2: Well, that makes me wonder what his idea was behind

546
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:31,759
this movie, because it seems like he had serious intentions

547
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:36,759
with his light therapy, but this movie is not serious

548
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,640
or is it intended to be serious? And it just

549
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:41,720
got a I.

550
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: Think it's so. I think it's an attempt for him

551
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,680
to try to be more commercial, honestly. So there was

552
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,480
an article in the New Orleans newspaper. So the film

553
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:54,160
premiered in New Orleans actually on March twenty third to

554
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,960
nineteen seventy three, and it premiered at the Sanger Theater.

555
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,240
And there are quotes in here from him in this

556
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,440
article where he says, I would say the strongest point

557
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,680
of Psyched by the forty Witch is the weird and wild,

558
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,640
bizarre photography it's the first to go into the psychic

559
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,359
origins of witchcraft. It has a little sexual content, but

560
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,640
you can hardly put out a picture nowadays without it.

561
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:16,240
We call it a step beyond the psychedelic, a way

562
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:18,680
to take a trip without drugs. You trip through the

563
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,119
weird visions and hallucinations the heroin goes through. So I

564
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,599
think it is tied into what his theories are that

565
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,720
he had been practicing by the time this came out

566
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:31,319
for over a decade, but it's also trying to connect

567
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:36,319
those theories to something more commercial and popular with more

568
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:39,359
mainstream audiences. So like this has horror and sex in it,

569
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,839
but it's still using his theories successfully or not.

570
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so he is willing to make a

571
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:48,599
compromise here with this.

572
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,119
Speaker 3: Right, and yeah he was not a filmmaker obviously, so

573
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,160
you know, like, yeah, there is so much. There's a

574
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,279
lot of overexposure. The editing is really all over the place.

575
00:31:58,319 --> 00:31:59,599
I think he just had a field day in the

576
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,319
editing room, just like over you know, superimposing things left

577
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:08,000
and right and using stock footage in certain places, and

578
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:08,680
you know.

579
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: So college campus. Yeah, it's like.

580
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:17,319
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, considering how much when you think about

581
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,799
how much footage of the actors there are in this

582
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,039
It's kind of like all that stuff could have been

583
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,920
shot in a day, and everything else and everything else.

584
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,920
The editing probably took longer than the actual shooting of

585
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,960
the movie. I think, because it is so frantically edited

586
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,359
that it is like it because it's all about the visual.

587
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,160
So I don't think he thought that actually the photography

588
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,279
or the story was that important, because it's all told

589
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,319
through narration. It was all done in post production, so

590
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,920
I think he really wasn't more about the visual stimuli

591
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,519
of the movie, and that didn't necessarily mean the actors.

592
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,599
I think it meant the colors and the light and

593
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,039
combining different different shots so that it created like a

594
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,039
mix of colors, which you know. All this discussion is

595
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:00,680
not to say that the movie as some kind of

596
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,759
like lost gem of psychological color photography, because it is not.

597
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,880
It is. I don't know how you would describe it,

598
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:13,279
but it's an experience. I would describe it as an experience.

599
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 7: Could this really be happening or is it all a

600
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:23,480
nightmare I'm dreaming? All I knew for sure was that

601
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,119
my heart was pounding with horror at the scene I

602
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,480
was witnessing.

603
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: Which grew more brus and by the moment.

604
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 8: But wait, the horror was changing into sexual excitement. Oh no,

605
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:40,480
then Abigail was right. I had become so perverted now

606
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,440
in my sexual fantasies that my imagination found even this

607
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:49,559
cannibalistic scene sexually provocative, and soon I found myself approaching

608
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:50,599
another climate.

609
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: Well, some of the effects I think are something you

610
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,279
couldn't do, like in your own basement, But I think

611
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,400
it works for what it is, and there's some lasting

612
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,480
imagery like that. The image of that fud Man shoe

613
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,719
mask is like kind of haunting me even a few

614
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,159
days after watching this.

615
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, even like the shot of like the witch

616
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,599
with the eyes burnt out and stuff like that. I mean,

617
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,360
is it kind of feels like something Parts of it

618
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,480
feels like something that you would see if you were

619
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,159
going through like like a haunted house at a carnival,

620
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,519
Like stuff would come out and come in your face,

621
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,119
and that kind of thing before it involved like people

622
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:34,639
like torturing you at these scare houses they have. Now, yeah,

623
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,880
I mean it is kind of old fashioned in that way.

624
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,079
And you can tell this maybe like a fifty year

625
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:42,000
old guy at this At that time, he was well

626
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:42,840
almost fifty.

627
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's this reissue in seventy six?

628
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,119
Speaker 3: So that's why I was only able to trace that

629
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,079
because of this fake copyright notice where they misspelled Calemeial

630
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:59,599
Productions with an E. It's Clemille cla Miil Productions. And

631
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,760
so they they were a very low budget, fly by

632
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,519
night distribution company that really only did ninety nine percent reissues.

633
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:10,960
They were not producing movies in house. They were a

634
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,800
distribution company kind of like Howard Mahler Films in New

635
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,519
York is kind of similar, or any of these you

636
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:18,960
know World northall that, those kind of those kind of

637
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,840
companies where they were purchasing things and they weren't spending

638
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,599
money and producing anything. So that was what that re

639
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,960
issue was, Okay in nineteen seventy six. That was around

640
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,280
the same time they reusued Blood Freak too, which is

641
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,480
another I think Jeffrey C. Hogue connection, because I think

642
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,960
he claims he owns that. I don't know if that's

643
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,719
true or not either.

644
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: So the narration in this right.

645
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,039
Speaker 3: So we don't know who did that. The only thing

646
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,599
other thing, because he did everything on tech that covers everything,

647
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,119
so we don't need to talk aboutny of the crew

648
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,559
members cast. We know we have some sex people. That's it. Narration,

649
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,960
post production, not a clue, nothing. We can really have

650
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,199
any kind of revelations about. So, no idea who did

651
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,519
the dubbing, No idea who where it was recorded? Actually no,

652
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,079
it was about Peter Jason in company, which was I

653
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:08,280
think Bob Chen writes about doing stuff there. It's hard

654
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,599
to find information about them because they really were just

655
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,360
they they have been around for years, so it's hard

656
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,800
to find information about you know, who Peter Jason was.

657
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,559
He's not the actor, but yeah, a very busy post production,

658
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,880
editing and sound facility in uh in that time.

659
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:27,599
Speaker 2: I mean, she's clearly not a professional h dubber. Yeah,

660
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,960
but she has like a very modern intonation, don't you think,

661
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,599
like you she sounds very today in a certain way.

662
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:35,880
I thought a.

663
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,599
Speaker 3: Sort of I mean, I think it sounds more like

664
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:42,519
a reminds me more of like a cartoon character, sort

665
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:46,639
of like but not over the top Liker, not cartoonish

666
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:48,599
like a hand of Barbara thing. But I don't know,

667
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,000
it just sounds it sounds like a voiceover for animation

668
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,159
for me. You could see that, Yeah, she's kind of

669
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,159
she's she's well. I would say both of the women,

670
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:01,119
including the voice it as Abigail. I think they're very

671
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:02,599
dedicated to this dialogue.

672
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:04,119
Speaker 2: That's a different.

673
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,599
Speaker 3: I think it's two different voices, is it not.

674
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:09,119
Speaker 2: I don't know.

675
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: I don't think so. If it is, I could see

676
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,960
it being I could see it being one. But I

677
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,880
mean I was fooled if it was one. I always

678
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:24,239
thought it was two. Yeah. Maybe, I mean that's the thing.

679
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,719
I mean, if he was if he knew that everything

680
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,360
was going to be shaped in post production. This is

681
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,280
similar to what we see in the New York films

682
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,960
where they're gonna they're gonna put care into the dubbing

683
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,880
of it because the acting and everything else in front

684
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,840
of the camera is not going to be telling the story.

685
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,119
It's not as important. So that's like the Girl from

686
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,199
Si N or even like the Synth Syndicate, which we

687
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,239
talked about, where the dubbing is good. It's by professionals

688
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,039
because the acting is not professionals, so you have to

689
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,679
do something to make it resonate with the audiences. So

690
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,280
you know, it's not doesn't look that amatureish.

691
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if it was like.

692
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,599
Speaker 3: A Hanna barbera voiceover actress or something. It was somebody

693
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:03,679
who worked in animation voiceovers who just came and did

694
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:07,760
this voiceover in like, you know, a couple of hours.

695
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,679
Speaker 2: You know, But I don't know who scripted it out.

696
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,840
I assume Milton did.

697
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:14,119
Speaker 3: Yeah he did.

698
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: But what's the direction, Like, what kind of direction did

699
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,840
they give her? Because I don't Yeah, it's like very

700
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,960
Valley Girl at times too. It doesn't it doesn't go

701
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:25,360
with the visuals.

702
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: It's well, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't.

703
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,159
Speaker 2: So why did he like choose her or did he

704
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,320
have no choice? Did he just hand this off to him?

705
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,719
I think the dubbing studio they would have given it

706
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,719
a they would have hired a proper dubber. I feel

707
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,280
like this was his suggestion, like, Okay, here's this girl.

708
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,760
He's my my knees or something. I don't know.

709
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, it's too many suppositions. I had

710
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,199
no idea. Yeah, yeah, we just had no idea. It's

711
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,079
not it's not I don't think just going by everything

712
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:58,960
in this movie. I don't think that that was part

713
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,320
of I don't think that was the most important part

714
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,599
of his vision. Yeah, the visual is really important part

715
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,599
of his vision. So I think you know, he couldn't

716
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:10,679
release something that uncommercial, that he couldn't have dialogue telling

717
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:11,159
a story.

718
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm sure someone even probably told him, like, hey,

719
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,199
it doesn't you know, even if he thought it was

720
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,840
bad or didn't jive with his vision, someone probably said, well,

721
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,679
this is what the kids like, so it doesn't matter,

722
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,960
you know, just just go with it. Just go with it.

723
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: Maybe you don't know. When he's a one man show,

724
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,039
I think he just did whatever he wanted.

725
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: You're a nice boy and all that, but unfortunately I'm

726
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,280
turning you tonight into something you've always secretly dreaded, a

727
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:44,199
sex vambion strictly to make Sidney repent.

728
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 9: You understand nothing personal against you, Mark, and it's all

729
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,960
done through this evil eye.

730
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,599
Speaker 5: Can you feel it?

731
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: He was lucky you got any distribution at all. But

732
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,880
Emerson Films was based in San Francisco, so they handled

733
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,960
I mean they handled man outs the hands of Fate,

734
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:08,960
another Passion project which was very immatureishly put together, so

735
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:13,880
they had dealt with like real amateur hour stuff. But

736
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,199
I think also because they're in San Francisco, they have

737
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,800
I think that Joe Emerson was probably aware of like

738
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,119
underground films and so he was like, well, this could

739
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,840
maybe work in like an underground cinema kind of way,

740
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,239
and that's why they're promoting It's kind of like, yeah,

741
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,360
I think that's something that they even put on the

742
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,639
I think it was a psychic freak out from the

743
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,000
underground because it's like, well, these are these are the

744
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,039
films that are made by like the counterculture that you

745
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,840
that you uh that maybe you can only see, you know,

746
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,760
like see it like secret screenings if you had to

747
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,079
go to like the Village in New York or down

748
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,199
to like Kate Astbury in San Francisco. It's like, well

749
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:48,760
here this is like a regular theater to drive in,

750
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:51,679
so you're gonna get a taste of this counterculture and

751
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,920
it and uh yeah, I think it's a really good

752
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,880
way to promote this otherwise incomprehensible movie, because how else

753
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,639
do you promote it?

754
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do wonder what the screenings after New Orleans,

755
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,800
like where it went, what kind of venues and you

756
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,679
know what melt.

757
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: Well Emerson Emerson Emerson was mostly based in San Francisco.

758
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,800
I mean, well, they handled East Coast films in San Francisco,

759
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,599
so they were like a regional distributor as well as

760
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,119
like a national distributor, so like they handled national distribution

761
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,920
for Manos and Jenny Wife Child and you know, like

762
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,159
also to other films. So I don't know what kind

763
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:35,440
of bookings has got, but obviously somebody thought it had

764
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,559
legs because it was reissued three years later by a

765
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,199
different company. Yeah, and I think it was promoted the

766
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:42,360
same way where it was like this is an underground

767
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,960
freak out movie. But by seventy six, that's very old hat.

768
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,960
But the fact that Clemille put that and Blood Freak

769
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:53,920
reissued both very dated. Both kind of dated by the

770
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,239
time they were made. Actually, Blood Freak is another like

771
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,000
anti drug movie from nineteen seventy two or three, and

772
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,960
it's like, what is this, Like we're into the seventies now, Like,

773
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,960
you know, at that point, the drug the drug counterculture

774
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,199
thing was kind of dried up, at least in terms

775
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,039
of the hippie stuff. Yeah.

776
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: I also wonder, like I'm calling him Milton, I don't

777
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,639
know what what should we call him? What he thought

778
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,039
of like the drugs in the scene at you know,

779
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,119
in San Francisco, at the time. If I want to

780
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,960
see this in an underground theater, you know, I'm taking

781
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,320
some drugs beforehand. That's the that's the experience he wants.

782
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think well he said he in that quote,

783
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,400
he says it's supposed to be a trip without the drugs.

784
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,679
So I don't think he's drugs.

785
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he But I'm sure a lot

786
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,719
of people were using drugs before watching this.

787
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 3: I have no idea. Yeah, that's that's I can't. I

788
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,880
don't have any suppositions about that.

789
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, asking you too many suppositions here, Yeah, because I

790
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:58,599
have not a clue.

791
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: None of this is documenteds. I have not a clue.

792
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,480
I kindly felt about drugs. I don't know. I haven't

793
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:05,199
read his books.

794
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: I have no idea, just based on what we can

795
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,000
tell about him though. It's yeah, he doesn't seem like

796
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,599
you as a fan drugs.

797
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 3: But also I can't suppose that people to drugs before

798
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,519
going to see this, right, I mean, yeah, maybe it's

799
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,199
called a freak out. I don't think people don't. I

800
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:26,159
don't see people want to take LSD before they go

801
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:27,960
see a movie, because who knows what that's going to

802
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,760
result in? I think smoking pop before movie is probably

803
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,000
more popular than taking LSD before you can see a movie.

804
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,000
That's crazy, what the trip's going to be? I mean,

805
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,559
that's not good. I wouldn't do that.

806
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,039
Speaker 6: How would you like to have an adventurous sex life

807
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:49,320
and still remain a virgin? I can make it possible, really,

808
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,599
but how can I believe you?

809
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,599
Speaker 4: Give me a sign of your power, like it makes

810
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:57,599
something appear by magic over there?

811
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 5: Very well, he has a magic cup for.

812
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,599
Speaker 3: You as an.

813
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,679
Speaker 4: Amazing Okay, okay, I believe you and I'm interested.

814
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: So Pretty Girl International should we talk about Yeah?

815
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:22,519
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so I was. We talked about this a

816
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,159
bit last time too, where like the early soft course

817
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,239
stuff or the late softcare stuff in the early seventies

818
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,320
was mostly how Gathu, But of course there were two

819
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,559
other ages at that time, which were Pretty Girl International

820
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,920
and Rebsowitz's really bargain basement one which was Sunset International.

821
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:40,800
And so Pretty Girl was a guy named Dick James,

822
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,199
and so the fact that he's the fact that Pretty

823
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:47,519
Girl is credited specifically, and this is very unusual because

824
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:49,679
sometimes you just see how Gathoo credited. You won't see

825
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,440
Pretty Girl credited. And sometimes you'll see Rebsowitz, but not

826
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,519
that frequently. But like Pretty Girl had a lot of

827
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:57,719
people that would do hardcore, and you see that in

828
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,320
this film, except for Trincay Handhrews, who never did hardcore.

829
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,239
Something else that I probably should notice that, I think

830
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,320
a lot of the casts or lots of the cast

831
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,519
members that were registered with one agency were also registered

832
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:14,559
with the other agencies. They didn't have exclusive exclusivity deals

833
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:16,599
because it was kind of like there were certain producers

834
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:20,440
who would rely on one casting agent or another, or

835
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,880
maybe they knew that one casting agent would have better girls,

836
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,840
or maybe one casting agent was more reliable and could

837
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,360
be trusted more than another. So yeah, I think people

838
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,320
like Ushi and Neola and other people, I mean they

839
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,840
had portfolios at all their casting agencies, so they would

840
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,159
get work coming in on a regular basis. So like

841
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,199
Tracy Hanhrews I think was with hal Cuthu and Pretty Girl,

842
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,400
I think, yeah, Red was really bottom of the barrel.

843
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:51,760
He eventually took over Pretty Girl in the late and

844
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,960
the mid to late eighties after Pretty Girl had been

845
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,440
defunct for like a decade because Dick James, who ran

846
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,480
Pretty Girl, actually sold Pretty Girl around the time, there

847
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,880
was maybe a little bit after this was produced, like

848
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,239
mintally seventy two. Yeah, and sold it to somebody else

849
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,519
that that hasn't been documented who he sold it to,

850
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,599
but they're ran into the ground over the next several years.

851
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,800
So by the time Repsowitz wanted to revitalize it, he

852
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,920
asked Dick James for permission to take the name and

853
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,039
rebrand Sunset International as Pretty Girl because Pretty Girl had

854
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,519
a reputation and it's just a better name than Sunset International.

855
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,199
And then he so, yeah, Repsowitz became then known as

856
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,239
the Pretty Girl Guy, but that wasn't always the case.

857
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,840
Dick James was the original Pretty Girl Guy, so he

858
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,199
was probably the person involved with casting this one at

859
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:38,639
this time.

860
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, the cast is interesting because yeah, like you said.

861
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: Yes here, Yeah, then you just talked.

862
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: About Annette Michael is a stand out wild Yeah. Form

863
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,320
didn't expect to see a girl of her figure in

864
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,559
this kind of movie.

865
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,559
Speaker 3: No, it's very jar because it's kind of like, does

866
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:03,519
she need does the ant? Does anth Manny need to

867
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:06,280
be the stacked like, you know, is it that important?

868
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:14,360
But yeah, I met Michael permitan always big, big, big

869
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,920
jet black hair implants. Looked a little older than most

870
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,159
of these women and looked. Yeah, she didn't always look great.

871
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,920
I think she always kind of had a sort of

872
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:31,039
a weary look to her. She didn't do that much softcore.

873
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:34,400
She was primarily in hardcore. She did some softcore, but

874
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:40,039
I was never a huge thing of hers. She but

875
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:42,880
she started very very early, like she started early hardcore

876
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,559
in like nineteen seventy and she was in Anthony Spinelli's

877
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,719
first hardcore movie, Diary of a Nymph. She was in

878
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,440
Young Marriage, which Edwood directed Hollywood Babylon with our buddy.

879
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,559
Speaker 2: I don't remember Foresight.

880
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, well at forrest Sight, yeah, I was gonna say,

881
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,880
we can just cut that out. So yeah, and then

882
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,519
Michael is interesting to see. I really like seeing Keith Erickson.

883
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,039
So Keith Erickson plays so Tracy Andrews plays the best

884
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:12,719
friend jam and then Jan's dad is played by Keith Erickson.

885
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,079
So Keith Erickson was another guy, very early hardcore guy

886
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,000
and kind of older, kind of lanky, not had kind

887
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:25,719
of like bad teeth and bald most of the time

888
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,239
when he wasn't wearing a crazy wig, but huge appendage

889
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,599
always no wood problems. So there were movies that he

890
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:36,920
would be cast as the only guy that was shot

891
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,960
over a weekend, and he would have no problem delivering

892
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,000
like four scenes in a day. So obviously a good

893
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,599
person to go to for early hardcore. He was also

894
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,800
a pretty good actor. I think he's good in comedy

895
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,719
and drama. Typically he only did a few softcore movies,

896
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,840
but he was very like he was regularly in a

897
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,519
lot of very bad and some good hardcore features, a

898
00:48:58,519 --> 00:48:59,519
lot of early Spinelli.

899
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Who was he and the Godson? I'm trying to remember.

900
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: The god Son? He is the he's the head, he's

901
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:07,199
the head mob guy.

902
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, he's like the fire.

903
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,159
Speaker 3: With a wig, yeah, with the rug. Yeah, he's the

904
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,559
one at the end that that John Tall comes to

905
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:19,119
in the car at the end after the job's done.

906
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty big part. Actually, yeah, it's a

907
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:22,920
big part.

908
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's Keith Erickson dictator. I forget. I think

909
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,360
he's who is he's the president of the South American country.

910
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,920
I believe in that. But yeah, he's typically very good

911
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,039
and and women who worked with him at that at

912
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,519
that time, they remember him finally that he was good.

913
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:39,920
He was nice to them and everything. So I love

914
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,039
him more about him. I'm sure he's no longer with us.

915
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,760
He was a little older when he started doing this,

916
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,920
but uh yeah, every time I see him, I'm I'm like, oh, great, Keith,

917
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,440
I like I like that. I like him.

918
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: So and the gay neighbor mister Jones.

919
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, mister Guthrie. So that's Kelly Guthrie. And uh

920
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,719
he plays a lot of roles like this. He plays

921
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,760
a lot, a lot of gay roles that are or

922
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,679
like swishy rolls and hardcore stuff. But he it was

923
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,280
a mainstay in the low budget garbage of Rick Tazner

924
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,559
and Regennis Steckler. Those are the two guys he worked

925
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:15,079
with on the regular. He was in I think most

926
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,119
people remember as he played Lucifer the Devil in Devil's Playground.

927
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,119
Then he was also in the gay version which Tazner

928
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,079
did at the same time, which his finger looking good.

929
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:25,679
Speaker 2: Does he do a swish and Lucifer in that?

930
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,119
Speaker 3: Yes, he does in both, but in the second one

931
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,519
he actually yeah, I mean yeah, And the first one

932
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:34,880
is a straight one, but the second one, the straight one. Yeah,

933
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,800
the straight one. He's still gay in the straight one,

934
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:39,760
but then he actually has sex in the gay one. Uh,

935
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,280
do you have sex in the straight one too? I

936
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,880
think it's a lot of like fake cum shots, which

937
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,360
happens a lot of Rick Tazner stuff. It's a lot

938
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,280
of like, I don't know what shampoo or something. Yeah,

939
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,719
it's a lot of well, it's a lot of some

940
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,599
fake jelly and fake money shots. So Kelly Guthry is

941
00:50:56,599 --> 00:51:01,320
actually really funny in this. I think he's having fun. Yeah, yeah,

942
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,920
but yeah, that's that's kind of it. Those are the

943
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,039
big names, or not even big names, but recognizable people.

944
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 6: How about Strokey Miles?

945
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 9: Did you chow?

946
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:10,679
Speaker 2: What?

947
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 9: Why?

948
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,679
Speaker 1: You've got the wrong man, Honey, go peddle your sex

949
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:15,400
somewhere else.

950
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: I'm a home.

951
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. So our star, the singular named Margo, not the

952
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,400
greatest single probably for yeah, for for sexy movie star.

953
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:37,000
And after this performance, I'm not clamoring. I'm not. I'm

954
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,719
not too sad that she didn't appear in any others.

955
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,679
Speaker 3: But no, I think, uh, I think what it describs

956
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,039
the most resist the resistible charms of Margo. Like she's

957
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:51,360
she's she's quite resistible. Yeah, she doesn't do much. She

958
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,679
wears a giant wig, a giant blonde wig. Most of

959
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,079
the movie. She looks vaguely familiar under the wig. But

960
00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:59,079
I don't know if this is a pretty girl situation

961
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:03,639
or if this was just somebody that Boren cast because

962
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:06,480
he knew that she would do nudity. Like, so, I'm

963
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:08,960
not sure. I feel like the guy, well, I feel

964
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,639
like everyone else that you recognize this because a pretty girl.

965
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,559
But with Margo, yeah, I don't get that impression. And

966
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:16,159
the same with the brother too, I don't.

967
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah, it almost it almost makes me think

968
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,199
again like she was a friend or of a friend

969
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,039
or some connection, because yeah, why wouldn't he just cast

970
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,360
her that part through pretty girl?

971
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,199
Speaker 3: I mean, right, especially a bit above his nudity. Yeah,

972
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,960
it's very surprising. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, yeah,

973
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,519
it's unusual, especially because Tracy Hanfooss, the best friend is

974
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,199
pretty girl, the dad, her dad is pretty girl. See,

975
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,960
I feel like the brother and sister are not pretty girl. Yeah. Strange. Interesting.

976
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,280
So he at first I was like, well, maybe that

977
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,440
was his girlfriend at the time, but he married or

978
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:51,519
and got married the year this came out. But he

979
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,119
married a woman who was like his age because I

980
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,400
checked the records of the marriage and everything. Yeah, she

981
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,000
was he was born twenty four, she was born in

982
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,039
nineteen twenty four, were the same age. They're both almost fifty.

983
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,679
So yeah, this wasn't like a girlfriend or something. Yeah,

984
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:07,920
I'd love to know who Margot was.

985
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: What if it's his daughter.

986
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:13,199
Speaker 3: I mean that's and I hope that's not the case.

987
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,239
And I don't know why you asked that. Well, it's

988
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:22,440
why you ruin me. I mean, the cases disgusting. Yeah,

989
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:26,280
and they should be in jail. Yeah, I don't that's horrible, No,

990
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,079
it's terrible. No, I don't think so. But also the

991
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,039
fact that they're on like USC campus. It could have

992
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:34,119
been just a student who was like, I'll do this

993
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,320
gig for a day and show my tatas and that's it,

994
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:37,800
you know.

995
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:42,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, true? Yeah, who's Erica?

996
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: That's the thing. The Witch is like barely visible in

997
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,679
this she only there's only a few little shots of

998
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,679
like her top lists. I don't know, like it's she

999
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,800
mostly see her at the end. And I also, I

1000
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,320
will say, I don't think that the actors on screen,

1001
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,440
it's not their voices. So yeah, so it's not even

1002
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,159
like a voice of whoever Esoterica is. But and then

1003
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:05,920
the other the brother is what Tom Yerian not a

1004
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:06,440
clue either.

1005
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:13,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marco Esoterica and Tom the stars of this film. Anyways, interesting,

1006
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,119
not great. Yeah, we're not here for the acting. Okay,

1007
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:17,840
let's move on.

1008
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,639
Speaker 3: We're here like not even like even in Michael is

1009
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,599
not great in this and Tracy Hanfrews is not great

1010
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:24,519
in this. Like none of the names we know in

1011
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:25,360
love are great in this.

1012
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: We're here for the lights and the music. But so

1013
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,079
let's talk about the music here.

1014
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, seemly song. This was the most interesting. This was

1015
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:38,039
my most interesting deep dive into.

1016
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,599
Speaker 2: This because an actual forty five r pm at this correct.

1017
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, I think something We're had access to

1018
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,800
it when they've reissued it on something We're Greatest Hits

1019
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,639
CD in vinyl. I think that's a rip from the

1020
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,280
vinyl I believe. I don't think it's like a rip

1021
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,719
from the movie. So, yeah, I came out of a

1022
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,519
record company called Rainbow Records. And so the two credited

1023
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:03,159
people on it in the film it says are Joe

1024
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:06,920
Bisco and Attila Gaalamb, which I think is the correct pronunciation.

1025
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,800
So Joe Bisco interesting, So born nineteen thirty one, Joseph

1026
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,519
Bisco and so there are recordings and little traces of

1027
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,119
him all over the industry since the fifties, mostly in

1028
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:22,320
country music and like rockabilly and you know, sort of

1029
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,679
obscure rock and roll recordings. So he did performances as

1030
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,880
Cowboy joe Bisco in the fifties, and he released an

1031
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,599
album with that title with that name in nineteen fifty four.

1032
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,800
Then he also released up as Joey Bisco in the

1033
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,119
nineteen fifties, like a lot of like, you know, rock

1034
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:44,519
and roll kind of you know, dance dance music. So

1035
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:48,039
he is credited for writing the lyrics and the music

1036
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:51,880
to this, and so this is completely his creation. The

1037
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,840
song is totally his creation. But the interesting thing that

1038
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,559
I thought was that I thought was very strange was

1039
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,760
that he apparently executive produced a Bobby Davis movie called

1040
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,679
Dingle Dangle in nineteen sixty six, which is lost Bobby

1041
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,119
Davis not great. You know Bobby Davis did did I

1042
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:12,519
think did country Girl? I think he did my sister's

1043
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:17,039
business like he did a lot of really bargain basement trash.

1044
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,239
So I doubt that this was good either. But Dingle

1045
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,000
Dangle was then distributed by Calemeille Productions. The same company

1046
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:28,360
that reissued Sacked by the Forty Witch in nineteen seventy six.

1047
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,599
So that's a very strange six I reason separation from

1048
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,880
the guy who did this did the song was involved

1049
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,119
with Clemil Productions before that because as executive well executive

1050
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:43,159
producer means he financed it essentially, And that's kind of

1051
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:44,280
where the trail ends for him.

1052
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: Who sang the song?

1053
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's the really crazy thing. So the vocalist

1054
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,599
is credited as Johnny Johnny by the way, his real

1055
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:55,400
name is Johnny by the way, that's his real name.

1056
00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:59,880
He was a Mormon missionary who was considerably young when

1057
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,159
he saying this. He released a single called Blue Diamond

1058
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,239
Ring that Joe bisco Co wrote in nineteen seventy one,

1059
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:09,440
which was also released on Rainbow Records, the same record

1060
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,679
company that released Beware of the Forty Witch. So he's

1061
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,800
the one who sang this, Johnny by the way. He

1062
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:21,000
currently He then started recording religious music or like you know,

1063
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:25,840
Christian songs into the through the nineties. Now he's an

1064
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,039
instructor of Brigham Young University. Of course, he wrote a

1065
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:30,800
memoir in two thousand and four which I doubt he

1066
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,840
talks about recording this song in it. He also has

1067
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,000
written a lot of other religious theme books. He's written

1068
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:41,920
children's books, He's written Christian advice books for teens. But

1069
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,840
the important thing is that he is also in the

1070
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,280
podcast Realm. He co hosts a podcast called Follow Him,

1071
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:51,400
which is religious discussions from a Mormon perspective. So the

1072
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,559
singer I'd be ware of the forty Witch is now

1073
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:59,519
in the same podcast that we are telling. So we're

1074
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:04,360
talking about him. Well, he is recording telling people to

1075
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,119
follow follow the Bible and uh and be a good Mormon.

1076
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 9: Well, witness something far more exciting than mere insist between

1077
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,559
brother and sister. Oh like what like acting out of

1078
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:21,079
one of my own wild sex fantasies where a new

1079
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,679
Astro world protege of Buyn will have sex relations with

1080
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,119
a snake. I guarantee you the strongest climax yet just from.

1081
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: Watching Yeah, Johnny by the way, you'd be like, well,

1082
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,880
this can't be a real name. Yeah, it's Johnny by

1083
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,400
the way. It's just put all those words together. That's

1084
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,840
his last name, and it's his real name, and he

1085
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,639
still uses that name for his podcasts and books. But

1086
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,960
that's yeah, that's his real name. He has a website,

1087
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:46,400
Johnny by the Way dot com.

1088
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Jack get off the tongue.

1089
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: Why not rolls off the tongue. Yeah, Like it seems

1090
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,639
allway a little too perfect, and it also kind of

1091
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:56,199
sounds like a counterculture thing. Like Johnny by the Way, Yeah,

1092
00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:59,599
it's that. That was his name, and he he came

1093
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:02,239
to the He came to it through Joe Bisco, so

1094
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,960
it was a Joe Bisco thing. Now the guy, the

1095
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,800
other guy on this is Attila galamb so At Tilla

1096
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:17,960
Galamb was a Hungarian child saxophone prodigy who immigrated to

1097
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,159
the US in nineteen fifty six. He was six years

1098
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:23,800
old with his family after the Hungarian Revolution, So like

1099
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,679
at the same time that vill Mu Sigmund was coming over,

1100
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,000
he came over. He tour with his family as a

1101
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:33,960
child saxophonist. He was on the Ed Sullivan Show. He

1102
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,880
has said that he for years that for years that

1103
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,360
he was busy on the show, but the circuit he

1104
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,320
would have to lie so that he was like he

1105
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,360
would have to say he was a dwarf because people

1106
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,480
didn't believe that he was a child. So you're like, yeah, no,

1107
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,440
you're right, I'm actually like thirty two years old and

1108
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,360
I'm just just as a little person. So he started

1109
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,480
a record label, Attilla Records, and then he also had

1110
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:58,559
his own recording studio in Highland Park. Well he started, Yeah,

1111
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:02,119
so he started a recording studio after he was involved

1112
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:03,880
with a lot of like a lot of garage band

1113
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,960
stuff in the in the mid to late sixties with

1114
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:09,480
a bunch of different bands. But yeah, that's where the

1115
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:13,559
song was recorded. He was the the he created the

1116
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,280
production around it, you know, all the instrumentation, all the

1117
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,599
like all the sound effects and things, and the songs.

1118
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,159
So he did all of that. He did an interview

1119
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,639
a couple of years ago where so he he had

1120
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:28,199
a lot of stuff that was recorded for for different

1121
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:32,960
movies and and a lot of like acetates and demos

1122
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,760
and stuff. But he said that he did he took

1123
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,440
responsibility for this and said for he did record stuff

1124
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,599
for some of the world's worst movies, such as The

1125
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:43,320
forty Witch that was a funny experience, and then he

1126
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,719
wrote it off as an abomination.

1127
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,159
Speaker 2: Hey, Las, he takes credit for it.

1128
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,519
Speaker 3: He does. He was not going to live that down.

1129
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,440
Well a honestly, with like a name as distinctive as his.

1130
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,760
I think it'd be hard to say no, that wasn't me, right,

1131
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,000
It's not like, well that's it's not It's not like

1132
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:02,000
if he was Johnsonith, Well that's another john Smith. It's

1133
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,719
like how many how many Ittila Glambs are involved with

1134
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,360
the music industry in Hollywood and that hit this time.

1135
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:14,599
Speaker 2: Well, so to be clear, he just produced the record

1136
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:15,800
for the theme.

1137
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: Song, all of the all of the instrumentals and everything

1138
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,280
else like that, So he didn't write. He didn't write

1139
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,079
the song or the music. He just recorded it. So

1140
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:25,280
he had like session musicians that did it. So all

1141
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,559
of the music, all the actual music was him. Well,

1142
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:33,760
the vocals were Johnny by the way, the music was yeah.

1143
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: Okay, And just to be clear, because there is a

1144
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,960
ton of music on this but as we will talk about,

1145
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:40,559
it's Pink Floyd music.

1146
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,239
Speaker 3: Yes, but we're talking about we're talking talking about yeah, yeah,

1147
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,559
we're talking about the song. We're not talking about anything else. Yeah.

1148
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:51,679
Speaker 2: It just seems so that's kind of a I don't know,

1149
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,079
it just seems like a waste of his talents. To

1150
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:57,400
be honest, they should have had him, they should have

1151
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,400
had him score the whole thing. It sounds like he

1152
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,400
probably could instead of stealing Pink Floyd music.

1153
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 3: Do you think that Boren had the budget to pay

1154
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,199
somebody who was who had his own recording studio in

1155
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,119
Hollywood to do this soundtrack? I think it was. I

1156
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,400
mean yeah, I mean it was a place where people

1157
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,880
would come to record things like record demos, record like

1158
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,239
cheap soundtracks and stuff. So that's what this was, and

1159
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,440
he was probably he had session musicians and things that

1160
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,960
were involved, so they were able to just record it

1161
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,360
based on the music that was written by Visco.

1162
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: It's funny he even remembers it because it's just one song,

1163
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,960
just i know, recorded at his studio.

1164
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 3: Well also, I mean his name is on it, so

1165
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,320
there's a lot of other stuff that he did that

1166
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,480
apparently his name is not on it because they're not

1167
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:45,000
going to credit a They're not going to credit a

1168
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,199
recording studio or like an arranger or producer of the music.

1169
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:53,559
They'll typically credit the singer and the writer composer, And

1170
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,679
he was not involved with any of that. So he

1171
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,079
because Born credited him on the actual film itself. It's

1172
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,000
kind of it's tough to do, so people are of

1173
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:03,360
course going to ask about it. I mean, he he

1174
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,599
doesn't mention any other movies in this interview because yeah,

1175
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,000
he did them, and then it was done. They paid,

1176
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:10,559
and they left, and they took the soundtrack with them.

1177
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,840
He doesn't know if they ever came out. But I

1178
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,400
think for this in this situation, because Born was careful

1179
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:23,000
to credit everybody that wasn't him, you know, and there's

1180
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,840
always so many pseudonyms he could use, you know. But

1181
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,679
also he wasn't going to take credit for something he

1182
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:28,079
didn't do.

1183
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:32,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, so there's probably a bunch of stuff he

1184
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:35,679
worked on that will never know about because we just

1185
01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:38,000
don't know. Yeah, right, we.

1186
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:40,159
Speaker 3: Just don't know. And he wasn't He left the music

1187
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:42,079
business in like the late eighties, I think, and now

1188
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:48,320
he's involved with selling selling like It and computer technology

1189
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:53,519
to the federal government, which quite a strange departure. He

1190
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:55,760
might rememb be retired now though I think he said

1191
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,400
that and he was discussing that in like twenty sixteen,

1192
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,880
So he might be retired now. So the song has

1193
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,079
a much as an interesting background too that you would

1194
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:06,920
not expect. I was lucky, I was abb I was

1195
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,719
able to find anything on the song because I was

1196
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,400
just like, Wow, Okay, all.

1197
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:12,159
Speaker 5: Right, Cindy.

1198
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: Let's I'm gonna have to be very careful when I

1199
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,079
cut this episode together with regard to the music I use,

1200
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:43,599
because I don't want to get stricken down by Roger Waters.

1201
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,079
Speaker 3: Well, Roger Waters should love me because we're both on

1202
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,639
the same side politically, So I'll step in and we'll

1203
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:56,840
be like listen to But yeah, I mean, that's the

1204
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,760
big thing. A lot of the music, a lot of

1205
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,599
the music that she's doing, like the during like the

1206
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:04,519
tripe sequences, is a saucaple of secrets, which I actually

1207
01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:06,440
in my notes, I just realized that with the wrong year.

1208
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:08,679
But also there's a piece that I heard in this

1209
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,960
and I thought it was like like a haunted house

1210
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:14,760
record or something, because it also appears in Mondo Trashow

1211
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,159
by John Waters. And so John Waters that whole soundtrack,

1212
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:21,039
I don't know if you've seen it is just stolen music.

1213
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:23,480
It's just needle drops, and so I thought it was like, oh,

1214
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,840
this is a haunted half record that John Waters has

1215
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,480
access to. It's actually a record called Visage by Luciano

1216
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:36,159
Berrio and the vocals are Kathy Berberian. So it's when

1217
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:38,320
you hear like you know, it sounds like a woman

1218
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,320
having like a mental breakdown where she's just like making

1219
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:42,800
weird vocal intonations.

1220
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,519
Speaker 2: That's visage.

1221
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: I always thought it was like Disney Haunted House Sounds

1222
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,480
or something, but it's an actual recording, so you might

1223
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:57,599
get a flag on that too, which is you know,

1224
01:05:57,679 --> 01:05:59,599
it is what it is.

1225
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 2: It is on like some streaming services that it is massage.

1226
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, but and then the rest

1227
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,320
is mostly classical music. I mean you get to hear

1228
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,960
like not on Bald Mountain, which is very olga.

1229
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: Well it's very right.

1230
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 3: But then also I think it's something that a lot

1231
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,000
of people of a certain age remember from Fantasia, because

1232
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,679
you know, Disney did the whole sequence with the Devil

1233
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:27,559
on the Mountain to Night on Bald Mountain, So I

1234
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:30,559
think I think that obviously comes into play with someone

1235
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,480
like this trying to make like a horror movie. It's like, well,

1236
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,239
Fantasia and involves like the Devil and Satanism and witchcraft,

1237
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,239
so it's like, oh, yeah, this is mountain.

1238
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,199
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm sure Larry Milton was thinking more Fantasia

1239
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:46,719
than she came on the Boss for that place.

1240
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:51,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably because yeah, that came out, what forty so

1241
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,480
he was sixteen years old. Fantasia came out. I could

1242
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,880
see him, I could see him referencing that.

1243
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: So, yeah, some interesting music. I think the Pink Floyd

1244
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:06,119
track works really well. It has Yes, it's a good choice.

1245
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:09,519
I don't know if that has been an issue with

1246
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:11,880
putting this out, re releasing this.

1247
01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think so that. Let me let

1248
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:19,559
me address that, okay for a moment. There are multiple

1249
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:21,880
companies that will say that they're like, well, it has

1250
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,920
so much stolen music and we can't do anything about it.

1251
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:26,679
Let me just say this, if this came out theatrically

1252
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,760
nothing was done about it, the precedent has been set.

1253
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:32,079
That was the time for them to do something about it.

1254
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:35,199
If they didn't, they can't come out about it because

1255
01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:38,840
it's video. So if companies are going to tell you like, well,

1256
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,280
we can't put this out it has this tolen song

1257
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,079
in it. Her name was Lisa came out with the

1258
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,800
led Zeppelin song in it, like Devil Mims Jones, has

1259
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,159
Sergio Leoni in it. I mean, yeah, it's a lot

1260
01:07:50,199 --> 01:07:52,960
of a lot of gay porn stuff used Pink Floyd too,

1261
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,639
So I don't think if any company tries to use

1262
01:07:56,679 --> 01:08:00,360
as an excuse, I never buy it because the time

1263
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,239
is done. Like, you know, those record companies aren't chasing

1264
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,199
after some some fifty year old sex movie to be like, well,

1265
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:09,960
you have my stolen song in it. Yeah, the time

1266
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,880
to go after them was nineteen seventy three. Should have

1267
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:13,519
done it done.

1268
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 2: So you're saying, like, legally in court, they wouldn't have

1269
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,000
a case. Is that what you're saying?

1270
01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 3: No, because they because the film had already been distributed

1271
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,479
to the public with that stolen song in it, they

1272
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,359
could potentially have a case, but they're going there they're suing.

1273
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,600
They would be suing the video distributor of it, and

1274
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,079
that's they would have to go after the original producers

1275
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:38,800
who stole it. They're not around anymore. So yeah, they

1276
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,640
wouldn't really have a case. And also they would look

1277
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,199
really stupid if they went to court over the use

1278
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:45,279
of the song and Psyched by the for Dy Witch

1279
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,960
released on DVD by something Weird Video and Image Entertainment,

1280
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:52,439
they would look really dumb. It's like, you're gonna go

1281
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,600
to court over this movie that's fifty years old. Yeah,

1282
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,319
So I think a lot of companies when they have

1283
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:00,920
to change music, they do it to recopy write that version,

1284
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,760
because then then that stops piracy of their transfer that

1285
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,359
they've spent money on. So like After Hours did that

1286
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:12,800
a lot a few other companies. VCX has done that. Yeah,

1287
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,279
a few other companies have done that. But yeah, this

1288
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,359
one is good to go. That's why I'm like, let's

1289
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:20,640
get this back out there, let's reissue it, please, because

1290
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,079
I really want more people to see it.

1291
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:25,199
Speaker 1: Well, after a nice Chinese dinner, I felt on top

1292
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:28,039
of the world again. I'll bet it was all just

1293
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:29,279
a crazy hallucination.

1294
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 10: Somebody slipped me from LSD.

1295
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: That's got to be it.

1296
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 3: I really like to read his books. Actually they're on WorldCat,

1297
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,359
which means that you know, if you want a copy

1298
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:43,520
of it through university library or anything, you can get it.

1299
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 2: You can get the Feminine Power Book. Yeah one, yeah,

1300
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:47,279
it would be.

1301
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:50,319
Speaker 3: A yeah, yeah, so like WorldCat if you if you're

1302
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,439
at if you go to university library or I haven't

1303
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,560
checked the public library system or anything like that, but

1304
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,159
if it's on WorldCat, then like say I'm at n

1305
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,680
YU and us he has a copy, then through that

1306
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,920
WorldCat system, I can request it and they'll send it

1307
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,880
to NYU so I can read it. I had that happen. Actually,

1308
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,159
there are a few things I did that with when

1309
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:12,239
I was at NYU that they didn't have and they

1310
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:14,800
had to get from like UCLA and stuff like that.

1311
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:18,560
So yeah, I mean, anybody that has access to a

1312
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,920
WorldCat Library system should be able to read these books.

1313
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,399
I'm very intrigued by the woman A glorious destiny awaits you, Yeah,

1314
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,880
especially because it's nineteen sixty five, and that's kind of

1315
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,319
as feminism is getting it starts, and so I want

1316
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:37,680
to hear what this what this middle aged man has

1317
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,319
to say women in nineteen sixty five.

1318
01:10:42,199 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean, if it ties into some of the themes here,

1319
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,880
which is like you know, and taking control of her

1320
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:50,039
orgasm in.

1321
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,159
Speaker 3: A way, right right, trying to have an orgasm with

1322
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:56,199
that while saving herself for her daddy, which is one

1323
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,359
of the lines, right, that's very Yeah.

1324
01:10:58,399 --> 01:11:02,399
Speaker 2: I think that was just awkwardly written. I don't think

1325
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,520
it means yeah.

1326
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 3: No, it didn't mean like that, but it's just it's

1327
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,119
kind of reminds me of like when dads and daughters

1328
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,039
do like the those problems, the promise ring things, And

1329
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:14,079
I was just like that's weird. They were doing stuff

1330
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:17,560
like that in the seventies too, like don't have please?

1331
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,680
Can you imagine? I just can't imagine a dad begging

1332
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,520
his daughter like, please, don't have sex for me, Please,

1333
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,920
don't have sex for me. That's really unhinged.

1334
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:30,239
Speaker 2: Well, I grew up evangelical, so yeah, I am. Well.

1335
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 3: Oh wow, some ginger there. Oh my god. We don't

1336
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,319
really get a lot of gentle law. We get way

1337
01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:38,239
too much casey lore.

1338
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: But I like to just sneak it in every now

1339
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:42,399
and then.

1340
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:46,359
Speaker 3: Maybe you like the air of mystery. That's fair. I

1341
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:48,840
have no air of mystery. I used to. I don't anymore.

1342
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:52,520
But that's good. Drop the little nuggets every once in a while,

1343
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:52,880
like them.

1344
01:11:53,279 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.

1345
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead. Well, we need to talk about the

1346
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:02,920
Doctor's Discovery of Boring's part of Born's career where he

1347
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,159
kind of rebranded himself as doctor Discovery, which, by the way,

1348
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:08,439
was going to be my DJ name if I ever

1349
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,760
became DJ, was going to be DJ Discovery. So I

1350
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,920
feel a kinship to this man now. But so apparently

1351
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:21,800
he started identifying his identifying as an alien abductee, and

1352
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,319
so I don't know how early this started actually because

1353
01:12:25,359 --> 01:12:27,640
if he went to in nineteen fifty nine, me and

1354
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,800
he went to the first UFO convention, I don't know

1355
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,800
if I don't know if he already was identifying as

1356
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,840
an alien abductee at that time. Starting in like nineteen

1357
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,439
ninety two, he introduced himself as doctor Discovery. Now this

1358
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,199
gathering for the third annual UFO Contactye Abductee Day Walk

1359
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:50,000
in Canada, flint Ridge, and he presented portraits of American

1360
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:56,479
Indian looking Indians, Aliens and so as do Doctor Discovery.

1361
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,399
He described himself as an intuitive right brain on tact

1362
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,600
D and said that the beings assisted him in his

1363
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,119
work with channeling the future.

1364
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:06,039
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

1365
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:10,319
Speaker 3: So, I don't know. Well, I think do you read

1366
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:12,279
that that is the thing where there are people who

1367
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:15,720
are more left brain and more right brained, And I

1368
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,800
haven't done the research on that. In forever it was

1369
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,920
something where well you take your personality test, where that's

1370
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,720
one of those things where I think that's one of

1371
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,359
the things they're supposed to determine do you use your

1372
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:25,920
left brain more or your right brain more?

1373
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:28,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what does that have to do with the production.

1374
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 3: Well, I'm wondering if it's if it's a way for

1375
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,359
him to like make himself sound more plausible or maybe

1376
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,000
right brained people are supposed to be more grounded in

1377
01:13:38,079 --> 01:13:40,960
facts or something. Yeah, I don't know, but I think

1378
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,960
there's there's obviously a reason why he said that, and

1379
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,439
I'm guessing that's probably why. Yeah. But yeah, I mean,

1380
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,600
this is nineteen ninety two. It sounds like stuff that

1381
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,800
possibly could have tied into his theories from you know,

1382
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:59,119
forty years previously. He's using color, using color and light,

1383
01:13:59,319 --> 01:14:03,119
and the idea of like astral projection and which is

1384
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,680
kind of like manipulating time and space, which is similar

1385
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,720
to like this this idea of aliens helping him channel

1386
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:16,439
the future. So yeah, it's a lot of like parapsychological stuff,

1387
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,920
which makes this film much more interesting because then it

1388
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,720
really is just like this wasn't just like some commercial

1389
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,640
venture by some guy trying to appeel to the counterculture.

1390
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:28,079
It was something that was that he was obviously studying

1391
01:14:28,119 --> 01:14:31,439
for years and years and years and maybe trying to

1392
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,359
get through breakthrough to that commercial audience with a very

1393
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:36,399
uncommercial film.

1394
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's I think the most interesting aspect of

1395
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,279
the movie for me. Yeah, is knowing the seriousness behind

1396
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:48,600
the creator. It makes everything about the film kind of

1397
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,840
have an extra layer of something there. Yeah, obviously he

1398
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,960
dabbled in a lot of things, so it's hard to

1399
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,239
really really nail him down. But yeah, I think he's

1400
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:02,840
a curious guy and I'd like to see these American

1401
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,960
Indian looking aliens. See.

1402
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 3: I know. It just makes you wonder. It's like, yeah,

1403
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,199
I don't know where those minutes were taken where someone

1404
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:12,840
took a minute to the meeting, and we're kind of like, well,

1405
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,159
this is what happened. This guy showed up. But also

1406
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,000
something that's interesting is that this movie is not his

1407
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:25,079
first attempt to bring sort of space exploration and kind

1408
01:15:25,119 --> 01:15:29,840
of otherworldly exploration to a mainstream audience, because apparently he

1409
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:34,760
wrote a musical, oh yeah, that was never produced called

1410
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,159
from Venus with Love in nineteen fifty nine. That's like

1411
01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:44,199
the magic Gear. So he wrote, well, he wrote a

1412
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,279
bunch of songs, but there was a single that came

1413
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:48,199
out in nineteen fifty nine with two of the songs

1414
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,439
called Venus Land of Love and Venus Calling. But then

1415
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,000
he also registered to the Copyright Office a ton of

1416
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,399
other songs that all sound like that could be part

1417
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,560
of this musical. So the songs, the title songs include

1418
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,479
Love Is and History, The Kingdom of Enchantment, Kira from Venice,

1419
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,479
and End of This World, and they all sound like

1420
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:09,920
they'd be part of this like space musical but related

1421
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:14,079
to my personal interests. He also made two disco records

1422
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,760
to also try to appeal to the mainstream. Now, the

1423
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,359
disco records were put out with a company called Golden

1424
01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:23,640
Age Records their only releases, So this is another situation

1425
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,800
where Golden Age kind of like new Art. I think

1426
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,800
it was something that he created and that they say

1427
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,720
on the credits that they are from the upcoming show

1428
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,199
Far Out Encounters. So I don't know if that's a

1429
01:16:37,239 --> 01:16:39,600
retitling of the Venus Musical or if it's a brand

1430
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,800
new musical that he wrote. But one of the songs

1431
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,640
is Venus Land of Love. It's a re recording of

1432
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,119
the nineteen fifty nine song by a studio group called

1433
01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:50,079
the Wizards of Wonder. And then there was another song

1434
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:55,800
another release called called Judgment Day exclamation Point, and it

1435
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,680
was there was a fake artist named Prince Drgonia, which

1436
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,079
I think is probably a character from the musical. I

1437
01:17:01,079 --> 01:17:04,399
think Prince GRAGONI is probably you know, a Prince on

1438
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:09,840
Venus or something. And both of them are two part singles,

1439
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,680
so you know, there's like a vocal part on side

1440
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,800
one in side two is like you know, in a

1441
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,560
longer instrumental version, and they I mean, this seventy eight

1442
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:20,920
is kind of long to be doing that on a

1443
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,920
forty five RPM. He should have put these out as

1444
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,600
like a thirty five thirty three RPM, like a twelve inch.

1445
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,800
That would have made more sense. But I don't get

1446
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,600
the sense that he was aware of how disco worked.

1447
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:35,479
So and you can hear these songs on YouTube, you

1448
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,640
might want to try to include them, yea one or

1449
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:43,119
both of them in this episode because yeah, because they're

1450
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,600
they're not great, but they're definitely something even.

1451
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: Beware he's coffee.

1452
01:18:22,359 --> 01:18:26,079
Speaker 3: Uh but and I think the records are kind of cheap.

1453
01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:27,880
I think you can get copies of them on like

1454
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:32,680
discogs pretty pretty easily. Yeah, I don't want them, but

1455
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,560
so maybe somebody does. Yeah, he's credited as L. M.

1456
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:41,439
Boren on there, like it's very professional. He has another pseudonym.

1457
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,279
Speaker 2: It does seem like he was really like trying to

1458
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:45,600
get out there, like.

1459
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 3: He wanted me he could get access to his Yeah,

1460
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,880
he wanted he wanted more mainstream access to his theories,

1461
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,479
and he wanted people to listen to him about the stuff. Yeah,

1462
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,039
so like he was. It seemed like he was fine

1463
01:18:57,119 --> 01:19:01,439
marketing and like UFO people and space people in like

1464
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,359
color and light, you know, and parapsychological people. But he

1465
01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:07,239
wanted to get through to people who maybe he thought

1466
01:19:07,279 --> 01:19:12,199
would have a harder time believing these things. Yeah, and

1467
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,600
none of them really worked. I think Psyched Psyched by

1468
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,119
the forty Witch is his most successful example because it

1469
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:24,159
was released twice theatrically in the nineteen seventies. But even

1470
01:19:24,199 --> 01:19:26,840
then it's it was all it was done in her pseudonym.

1471
01:19:27,119 --> 01:19:28,760
So then it begs the question, like, who was he

1472
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,479
trying to If he was trying to get his information

1473
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,880
out there or get his theories out there in this film,

1474
01:19:34,279 --> 01:19:36,800
hide him behind a pseudonym isn't gonna help that. So

1475
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,720
it's almost self defeating if you're going to release it's like, well,

1476
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,560
hell was Victor Lumineira? Well some interesting guy who knows?

1477
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,159
And then you move on, Yeah, yeah.

1478
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 2: It's interesting because yeah, now that you mention it, Yeah,

1479
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,359
why did he use that pseudonym unless he had that

1480
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,960
cold feet about it, he wasn't happy with how it

1481
01:19:56,039 --> 01:19:57,239
turned out. I don't know.

1482
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,319
Speaker 3: Maybe it was the sexiness of it, because at that time,

1483
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:02,319
if you're doing like sexy movie. But then he uses

1484
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:04,479
his real name in like the newspaper article where he's

1485
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:08,239
promoting the movie at the premiere, So yeah, I don't know.

1486
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,520
He doesn't even use so Victor Luminaire is only one

1487
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,560
of the pseudonyms. The other two are just mix ups

1488
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,399
of his real name. He never uses his real name

1489
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,920
on this movie in any capacity at all, which is

1490
01:20:19,039 --> 01:20:22,880
just it's interesting. It's almost like he wants he wants

1491
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,640
it to he wants the film to do something for him,

1492
01:20:26,119 --> 01:20:29,079
but he is not willing to take the risk of

1493
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:32,079
associating himself publicly with this film right on like a

1494
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:34,800
larger scale like one a newspaper interview is one thing.

1495
01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:37,680
But if his name was like on the poster on

1496
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,960
the prince, like this is a personal practicing project for me,

1497
01:20:41,279 --> 01:20:43,600
his name would be all over it, one would think.

1498
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,520
Speaker 9: So, I don't know, she's getting ready to pull the

1499
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:48,680
snake out of a rhctum.

1500
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,239
Speaker 5: Now imagine it's been in there for nine hours and.

1501
01:20:52,359 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 9: Suspended animation in preparation for this ceremony. And here it

1502
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,119
comes from her rectum.

1503
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 8: Oh no, let me out of here.

1504
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:05,159
Speaker 9: Abigail White on this head, she's reviving it. Next the

1505
01:21:05,359 --> 01:21:06,880
ceremonies about to begin.

1506
01:21:09,079 --> 01:21:11,239
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I need to look for after

1507
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:14,520
this is to see if any rainbow lights exist on

1508
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:18,600
There's gotta be like rainbow light on eBay or something.

1509
01:21:19,039 --> 01:21:20,079
Did you search it all?

1510
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,159
Speaker 3: No? But we'll also made me think of, like what

1511
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:27,039
was the light bright? That's what immediately thought of.

1512
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a light.

1513
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 3: Bright that I had as a kid, where it's like

1514
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,600
you just plugged the lights in and yeah, not at

1515
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,279
all the same thing, but no incense and no incense.

1516
01:21:36,319 --> 01:21:38,560
But it also is light bright was kind of therapeutic.

1517
01:21:39,279 --> 01:21:43,319
We're just like creating something with the lights and a pattern. Yeah,

1518
01:21:43,359 --> 01:21:46,720
but I don't think that was what his idea was. No.

1519
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,159
Speaker 2: His was a little bit more mystical. There's gotta be

1520
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:54,199
some collector of like what was this fifty what year

1521
01:21:54,359 --> 01:21:55,159
was the that was.

1522
01:21:55,159 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty when he oh, yeah, the rainbow light.

1523
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,319
He was promoting it in nineteen.

1524
01:21:59,079 --> 01:22:01,159
Speaker 2: Sixty, Yeah, sixties.

1525
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: You know, you know, maybe maybe I don't know, maybe

1526
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,079
maybe nobody ordered it. Would that'd be crazy, that'd be terrible.

1527
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:10,920
I feel like somebody probably did.

1528
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, somebody.

1529
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 3: Feel like somebody did, especially a subscriber to that newsletter,

1530
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,159
probably was intrigued enough to order it.

1531
01:22:18,119 --> 01:22:19,399
Speaker 2: And with that AD copy.

1532
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, that's very good. The ad camp. The

1533
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,640
ad copy is good. Yeah. Lifter vibrations sounds good to

1534
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,880
attract the higher forces. Yeah, communion with spirit realms. See,

1535
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,039
that's the thing. It's It's like, was he an alien

1536
01:22:33,039 --> 01:22:36,479
abductee at this time? Was he saying that the lights

1537
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,600
drew the aliens to take him? I don't know. It's

1538
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,079
not very mysterious. It's you know, And it's one of

1539
01:22:43,079 --> 01:22:45,439
the things I found about researching this was that apparently

1540
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,920
Mike McCollum, who I know listens to the pod because

1541
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,560
he'll reach out and send me, send me newspaper crypt

1542
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,279
clippings and press things and stuff. Mike and Chris Poggioli

1543
01:22:56,359 --> 01:22:59,399
were putting together an article about boring for a Temple

1544
01:22:59,399 --> 01:23:01,039
of Schlock, but I think they were supposed to. They

1545
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:03,720
were doing it for a magazine. But I don't know

1546
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,640
whatever happened with that, because this was a couple of

1547
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,880
years ago. So Mike and Chris, if you're listening, what

1548
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,039
happened with the article and let me know and we

1549
01:23:14,119 --> 01:23:17,319
will include the update in the next next episode, because

1550
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:20,800
I feel like this would benefit from a very substantial

1551
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,359
deep diver puts everything into perspective. Yeah, you know, it's

1552
01:23:24,359 --> 01:23:25,960
from a biographical point of view.

1553
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that letterbox review that you mentioned, Like you said,

1554
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:33,319
he just kind of dumped all the information because because

1555
01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:36,359
even for him, I can I can probably tell like

1556
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,000
he didn't have the time yet to put it all together,

1557
01:23:39,079 --> 01:23:42,399
and putting it all together is as you can hear,

1558
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:47,000
like this is a complicated guy here, Yes, working in

1559
01:23:47,039 --> 01:23:52,000
a lot of different avenues with different belief systems that

1560
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,880
kind of connect they kind of don't. Some of it's commercials,

1561
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,800
some of it's yeah something.

1562
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:02,279
Speaker 3: Well, even this episode is like this is basically a

1563
01:24:02,279 --> 01:24:04,680
photo dump because we've been jumping all over the place. Yes,

1564
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,800
because it was just very much like the movie. So

1565
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,840
maybe you'll just say we're inspired by the film to

1566
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:14,920
be just as haphazard and random as the film.

1567
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to hear if Chris and Michael had

1568
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,880
found out anything more about that musical, because it sounded

1569
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,760
like it went pretty far in pre production. He's got

1570
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,039
songs made.

1571
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I think no. I think

1572
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,479
recording songs for something doesn't mean it's actually in production.

1573
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,239
I think it just means that I love these songs

1574
01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:41,000
so much, let's get the word out and get people

1575
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:44,359
excited about this potential of a musical. It's you know

1576
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:45,880
what it kind of reminds me of. It's kind of

1577
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,840
like when like a sizzle reel is made for like

1578
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,359
a movie where they're trying to get financing. I feel

1579
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:54,039
like this was a way to be like, yeah, listen

1580
01:24:54,079 --> 01:24:57,079
to this, like and if it's if it's successful as

1581
01:24:57,119 --> 01:25:02,000
a record, then build abound it and start building. Yeah.

1582
01:25:02,199 --> 01:25:04,319
I don't think it went very far. I would love

1583
01:25:04,359 --> 01:25:07,119
to be wrong, but I think there'd be more evidence

1584
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:09,399
that it went into production because we would have heard

1585
01:25:09,399 --> 01:25:12,239
about it. It would have been documented somewhere, but there's

1586
01:25:12,279 --> 01:25:15,600
only documentation of these recordings of the songs that he

1587
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,560
wrote and the copyright registrations of the songs. But yeah,

1588
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,640
I mean we would at least be hearing. We would

1589
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,760
be and especially because he was big about publicity. Yeah,

1590
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:30,199
he would have promoted this. Yeah, Yeah, so I started

1591
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,720
on Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean we see that for

1592
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,319
films too. I think it probably would have been the

1593
01:25:35,359 --> 01:25:39,560
same for a production. I kind of well, then it

1594
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,000
also begs the question, like what if there was never

1595
01:25:42,039 --> 01:25:45,039
a script written for this, If he only registered the

1596
01:25:45,039 --> 01:25:47,520
copyright of the songs, there might not even be a

1597
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,399
book for this musical, Like, you know, he might not

1598
01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:52,560
have ever written the book for it. It's just like, well,

1599
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:53,960
I have all these songs and they're going to tell

1600
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,920
the story. I'll figure out the book later, which is,

1601
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,439
by the way, sign of a terrible musical telling you

1602
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,000
right now you need the book. The book is what

1603
01:26:03,079 --> 01:26:07,079
makes the musical. The music can be as good as anything.

1604
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,920
If it's attached to a shitty book, that's a bad musical.

1605
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,920
So he didn't copyright the book of this musical as

1606
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,359
far as anybody can tell. So makes you wonder. And

1607
01:26:18,359 --> 01:26:20,000
then if he died, where did all that stuff go?

1608
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,439
He had no kids, so really it's it's kind of like,

1609
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,479
where do we go from here? Where does anybody go

1610
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,079
from here? It's kind of like, but yeah, it's it's

1611
01:26:30,079 --> 01:26:33,119
definitely worthy of a deeper dive. And the fact that

1612
01:26:33,159 --> 01:26:35,199
we don't even have any pictures of him. I think

1613
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:37,800
there's one that could be him, that could be Yeah,

1614
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,600
it's ever been verified. I mean the fact that this

1615
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,840
someone who was that into publicity having no pictures of

1616
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,239
himself as also very usual.

1617
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, like even yeah that I don't think there's no

1618
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:52,640
like book jacket, back of the back.

1619
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,239
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't know, not on the

1620
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,880
on the internet, if I if I, if I get it,

1621
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,840
if we get the books through WorldCat, I don't know

1622
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,880
if there's a book jacket, that's the thing. I don't know. Well,

1623
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:04,760
it was a good question.

1624
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,359
Speaker 2: I always wonder, like does it ruin the movie? Demystifying

1625
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:14,479
them can make them feel I don't know, less interesting.

1626
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,800
I think this one feels more interesting. Do you agree?

1627
01:27:17,119 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't. I can't think of any examples, off

1628
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,000
the top of my head where I was able to

1629
01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:26,279
figure out so much information about a movie and it

1630
01:27:26,359 --> 01:27:30,359
made it worse or less interesting. True, you know, I

1631
01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:32,680
can't think of any example of that. I mean, the

1632
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,760
only example I can think of is, well, we talked

1633
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,000
about Anne Perry last week. I don't really care for

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her movies that much anyway, But you can say what

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01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:43,640
you find that someone's like a really shitty person or something,

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01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,600
then it's like, oh, well, then this movie is not good.

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But actually, I can't think of any examples of that either.

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01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,920
I think it only amplifies their work, especially if you're

1639
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,600
able to find bits and pieces of who they were

1640
01:27:55,319 --> 01:27:58,439
in the film. And it especially in the genre like

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01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,600
this where everything is so commercial in about making a

1642
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,479
buck with naked ladies and that's it. That's that's the

1643
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,840
name of the game. And as we talked about a lot,

1644
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when you have directors that are putting a lot of

1645
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,039
themselves into this and you find out that they were

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01:28:10,119 --> 01:28:13,600
like into film or you know, they were like Mark

1647
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,520
Haggard was into john Ford or like Chuck Smith was

1648
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,039
into like you know, film noir and stuff like that,

1649
01:28:19,279 --> 01:28:21,520
it makes their work more interesting because you're able to

1650
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,079
see that part of themselves in the work. And in

1651
01:28:25,079 --> 01:28:28,319
this case, it because we know now that he did

1652
01:28:28,399 --> 01:28:31,760
everything on this movie, it just it makes it almost

1653
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,880
a more noble failure. Yeah, because it is something that

1654
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,600
he really was putting so much of himself into. Yeah,

1655
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,600
I think even I think learning more about it would

1656
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,560
only make the movie more interesting. Yeah, you know, I

1657
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,359
don't think anything would ruin it unless you found out

1658
01:28:44,359 --> 01:28:47,279
that he was like a child molester or something. That's

1659
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,159
that's the only thing. Probably. Yeah, have we found out

1660
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:52,439
that that girl was his daughter? That would ruin the movie,

1661
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,720
That would ruin the movie. But I don't think that's

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01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,880
the case. Thank God, please praying that's not the case. Yeah,

1663
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,720
I don't think it. I don't think it is. I

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don't think it is.

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Speaker 5: Come on in it, Fanny. So you picked up my thoughts.

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01:29:10,039 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 6: Daddy said he won't be back till late tonight.

1667
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I picked up your thoughts, but at sure surprised

1668
01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:23,880
that I'd never guessed you such a sexy witch? Are

1669
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,720
you a LANs or a bye?

1670
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:28,359
Speaker 6: Unless you know it?

1671
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 7: Less?

1672
01:29:29,560 --> 01:30:30,399
Speaker 6: And a bye should know a bye, shouldn't they?

1673
01:30:37,239 --> 01:30:39,359
Speaker 8: Please come back to this world and be free of

1674
01:30:39,399 --> 01:30:40,680
that Salem witch bitch.

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