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Speaker 2: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
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record on this Tuesday, July the fifteenth, twenty twenty five.
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the show description. A returning guest, mister Scott Schera's joining
us from the great state of Wisconsin today and this
is a follow up. If you recall, mister Sharah visit
us back in the fall of twenty twenty four and
told us his plight with his daughter Grace, and recently
Scott' shared versus Ascension health lawsuit centered on the tragic
death of nineteen year old Gray Sarah, a beautiful young
lady with down syndrome who passed away on October thirteenth,
twenty twenty one, at Ascension Saint Elizabeth Hospital in Appleton, Wisconsin.
And this case really highlighted just so much injustice in
the medical system, and it raised concerns about medical negligence,
which by the way, is the third leading cause of
death in the United States, a lack of informed consent,
and systematic failures within the healthcare industry. And I employ
everyone to check out the website Our Amazinggrace dot net.
There is so much information and Scott has been just
doing yeomen's work with billboards, with his website and standing
up against the medical community because as we always say,
when you look at vers you might get one report
for every hundred incidences, and I think the amount of
people who actually stand up to the medical community to
the links you did is probably even fewer and far between.
Speaker 4: And even though.
Speaker 2: On the scoreboard, you know, they say you lost in court,
I think personally it's a huge win to get this
information out there because as you mentioned before we hit
the record button, you're saving people's lives with this information. So,
without any further ado, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to
the program, mister Scott Sharrah. Thank you so much for
coming back on the program.
Speaker 1: Sir well, it's really good to be back, and you
are one of my favorites. Just with your whole preparation,
your attitude. I just enjoyed coming. I remember being on
your show the first time. I had listened to your
show several times before, and that's when I contact you.
I thought, Wow, this, I really want to get on
this guy show. And just a couple of things following
up on your introduction, George, you know the during this
COVID era, So we're the first wrong full death case
to get to jury trial with COVID nineteen listed as
the cause of death on the death certificate. So that's
how rare Grace's case was. And I'm going to explain
what happened to Grace and in a little bit to
backfill for your audience who hasn't heard of the story.
But you know, during that time that they label COVID,
it was thirty nine months long. One point two million
Americans lost their lives in hospitals during that time, and
that number got me into full time researching because that number,
if you think about deaths during COVID, that is not
a statistic that you want to be number one in.
But America was number one of all two hundred countries
on the planet, and we were number one by far.
Number two was India, whose population is four times that
of the United States, and their death count was less
than half at five hundred and thirty four thousand. So
that tells you something that you don't want to hear,
which is the country that you've been sold to the
lie that we're the best country on the planet and
all these lies that we've been told our whole life.
I mean, we're the country that was the one that
started and is behind COVID. So was the whole idea.
These people, Grace included, lost their lives to create fear
porn so that people would get the job. And you
know why were they successful. You know, literally hundreds of
thousands of people have already lost their lives because of
the job. And then I just will say about the
rarity of trial. You had mentioned medical negligence being the
third leading cause of death. Well, I'm going to even
go further than that and say medical murder is the
number one cause of death in the United States. I
did really a deep dive on that. We had national
press coverage on that research, and what I found out
is that when you start looking at the cause of death,
so historically, heart disease is number one at seven hundred thousand.
Number two is cancer at six hundred thousand, and number
three is medical malpractice at four hundred thousand. Well, that
is one point six or one point seven million deaths
out of the two point six million annually in America.
It's over sixty percent of the deaths are medical murder.
So why do I say heart disease is medical murder? Well,
because what they do. Once you get heart diseases, they
put you on a statin. Well, the statin causes you
to have a heart attack and it causes dementia. When
you get cancer, they give you chemo. Chemo has a
ninety seven point nine percent kill rate. So these things
that they're doing, and I'm not talking about the causes
of heart disease and cancer, you know, polluting our air,
polluting our water, polluting our soil. I'm not even talking
about the causes. I'm talking about the medical solutions. So
that's why I'm saying medical murder is the number one
cause of death in our country. So anyway, I just
want to go through one more statistic and then we'll
I want to get back to what happened to Grace
So in Wisconsin. Annually in Wisconsin and these statistics come
from the HBO documentary Bleedout, which was done by Steve Burrows.
Steve Burrows almost lost his mom at a Wisconsin hospital.
He filed a medical malpractice lawsuit and was able to
produce the results in an HBO documentary and it's a
fantastic documentary. But the number that he said annually Wisconsin
of patients who are injured or die medically is twenty
seven thousand. Only twenty two of those twenty seven thousand
ever go to trial, and at trial, only three win
for the patient. So you know, it is clearly a
miracle that we got this far, you know, win or lose.
You know, God's hand was in it, and I am
thankful to be used. The trial was live streamed, literally
millions of people saw it live streamed, and it even
got on Joe Rogan George and you know, so then,
you know, being a Joe Rogan, hundreds of millions of
people all of a sudden became familiar with what is
going on in hospital settings and it is not good.
And so for the first time, you know, the veil
was lifted, people got to see what's going on behind
the curtain, and it was you know, it was humbling
and exciting to be part of that whole trial at
the same time. Of course, personally I wish that we
would have won, but I am definitely not surprised that
we didn't, given everything that we were up against at
the trial. So anyway, that's just my comment about your open.
If you have a question now, I'm glad to answer.
Others want to tell just a little bit about Grace
and why we were at why we did a trial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, because I understand we get new listeners all
the time, so I guess a brief snapshot of the
things that led up to it. And then one thing
I did want to ask, as far as the actual trial,
what was it really the hospital or were there because
I remember in my notes was it Docar and a
nurse by the name of McInnis who were directly involved
with us, right, yep.
Speaker 1: All right, So I'll answer that question after I do
the introduction of Grace. So, Grace was nineteen years old,
she had down syndrome, and as you said in your open,
her last day on Earth was October thirteenth to twenty
twenty one. We took Grace in to the hospital on
October sixth And this is the most important thing I
could ever tell anybody listening, and that is so you know,
the question is why did we take her to the hospital. Well,
we were not awake at that time. We were partially awake,
So Grace was never vaccinated for example. So that's why
I say partially. But we were following the lesser of
two evils. We were not following the government dictates relative
to COVID. But we had bought into the frontline COVID
critical care doctors protocol and one of the things in
the protocol was to buy an oxygen meter. And so
we started measuring Grace's oxygen and I became my wife
and I became fixated on that number. And the reason
I so you think, well, what's wrong with that, Well,
we had bought into the fear of COVID, not realizing
it was really a pandemic. We just thought, well, this
is real, and you know the fear. Whenever fear motivates you,
you're always going to make wrong decisions. And you know,
so what's the opposite of fear? Trusting God? Satan uses fear.
And so that's why I say that the most important
thing I could ever tell somebody is that when fear
starts taking over, go opposite and look to God. If
I would have done that, Grace would be a live today.
So we took Grace in with oxygen saturation of eighty
eight percent, which you know, big picture, that's not a
big deal now that I understand it. When people get
a colder flu, you know, oxygen drops into the eighties,
it's no biggie. But the protocol said if it drops
below ninety four percent, that's an emergency. We check Grace
into the hospital with two conditions. Number one is that
I could stay with her, and number two is they
would put her on oxygen and a steroid for three
four days as a precautionary and then Grace would be home.
And I ended up being taken out by an arm
guard on October tenth. And they didn't just leave Grace
on oxygen and a steroid. In fact, they medicated her
with presdex and lorazapam. We did not know that they
did that. I found out after reviewing the medical records
what meds they gave her. No, you know, they didn't
give us any idea of the meds they were using.
While she was in the hospital. She had a reaction
an overdose to the meds on October seventh, the first day.
She had a second overdose reaction on October eighth. Again,
we didn't know any of this found out after we
got the records. The overdose on October eighth, she almost died.
They had to use resuscitation meds to bring her back. Interestingly,
I mean I was in the room with her, George,
and I don't know this. I'm thinking she's just because
of the struggles from the night before. And you know,
they don't tell you anything. When we turned the page
after we had to hire an attorney to get our daughter,
Jessica in as a replacement for me. Cindy, my wife
couldn't do it at the time because she was sick.
And now we go to October thirteenth, and they set
Grace up for the third overdose event. They increased precedects
to the maximum allowable dose, which was forty percent higher
than she had ever been on. They increased laurezopam to
three doses, which was fifty percent higher than she'd ever
been on before. And that combination, now she's in her
third overdose. And to cement the deal, the doctor gave
her morphine, and we're going to play that clip in
a little bit to show you what our expert thought
of the doctor giving Grace morphine because it's hard to
grasp and that med combination ended up killing Grace. When
it came time to revive Grace, I mean, Grace could
have still been saved. So now, Jessica in the room,
Cindy and I on FaceTime, we all screamed to the
medical staff to save Grace because their numbers were taking,
were tanking and from outside the room they won't even
come in the room, George. From outside the room, they
screamed back, she's DNR, do not resuscitate. And that's the
first It's like, what is going on, She's not DNR.
And we screamed back, she's not DNR, save our daughter,
and they refused, and we watched her die on that
FaceTime call that Jessica initiated. So ultimately, that was what
our lawsuit was based on. Uh, it was based on
the med combination and the unauthorized do not resuscitate order.
So then on to your question, when the lawsuit was
first filed, we did. We actually had an amended complaint,
so we added battery to the we had wrongful death,
medical malpractice, lack of a form consent in a declaratory judgment.
Then we added battery and it started done once we
had the entire claim into the court. We had six
doctors and two nurses in addition to Ascension hospital system.
Through the legal principle approximate cause, we ended up dropping
five of those doctors because their actions were not close
enough to Grace's death to hold them accountable. And so
when I say a legal principle, that doesn't mean it's lawful.
You know, we're playing in their system, this antichrist legal system.
We're playing in their system. So the idea of proximate
cause caused us to dismiss five of them. And similarly
with the second nurse because we could not hold her
accountable accountable for battery. In Wisconsin, if a nurse commits
medical malpractice, her liability is assumed by the hospital, so
we couldn't sue that nurse if we had to drop
her also, so it ended up being just one nurse
and one doctor. That nurse ended up getting dismissed after
the evidence came in during the trial because the judge
dismissed the battery claim during the trial itself. So that's
a long answer to your question. But you know, ultimately
when we started the trial, we had nurse McGinnis and
doctor Schokar were defendants, along with the Sention Hospital system.
Speaker 4: Insane.
Speaker 2: Now, you had mentioned you had to get an attorney
in order to get your daughter in there to kind
of relieve you.
Speaker 1: Well, so I'm on October tenth. I was taken out
by an armed guard. Then what was agreed to is
that we could have a family member come in to
replace me. So Jessica, our daughter, went to the hospital,
and they rejected her. They said, you can't come in.
We don't allow visitors in the COVID room. So, you know,
praise God, I was able to get a hold of
Grace's special needs attorney that day. It was a Sunday,
and she got on the horn right away, and it
took We still had forty seven hours with an advocate
before Jessica could come in the room and stay with Grace.
So it's the first time Grace was alone ever in
her history, since the day she was born. You know,
so just envision what this was like for my little buddy.
I mean, it's hard to grasp it is.
Speaker 2: And you know, my wife told me a lot of
stories of the things she witnessed her in COVID family
and members literally passing away and my wife, you know,
was the last person they saw because family members weren't
allowed in and all the stories that we hear. And
I'm all about forgiveness. We're told to forgive and pray
for our enemies and the ones who bring this type
of persecution, but that there also should be accountability to
ensure that these things don't happen to our children and
our grandchildren and the coming generations if we don't learn
and make changes from these things which we witness, which
is why twice a year I play clips twenty twenty
NonStop for like two hours, just the most ridiculous things.
Pastors getting arrested, churches being closed, dispensaries and liquor stores
allowed to stay open, and jabs for joints and all
this other ridiculous stuff, and everybody just like the Epstein,
which I whatever, but the way the society is just
quick to move on to the next thing without something
that affected every single person in this world at one
in one way or another. Twenty twenty affected the way
we live and if you look it was just five
years ago, if you look at the economy, if you
look at the job numbers. I mean, it's just there's
no going back, and everybody just wants to forget. I
get the forgive part, but I don't want to forget.
And it seems like so many people are just on
with the next thing, and it just shocks me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's interesting because that is at a very
fast pace today. It used to not happen quite so fast,
but now, because of how the media is turning, the
media cycles so fast, that happens incredibly fast today. And
you know, you're one hundred percent right on in that
there's a difference between repentance and forgiveness and accountability. So
you know, I had to forgive them. You know, God
broke me of this when I after Grace died, and
praise God for that, because people ask you, how could
you possibly forgive them? And the answer is I can't.
Nobody can forgive the doctor and nurse who did this
to your daughter. But God can, and that's why we
have the gospel, you know. So does that mean that
once you forgive them that they shouldn't be held accountable.
Absolutely not. And you know these individuals, you know, were
not held accountable in the antichrist legal system. That's why
I'm not surprised at the verdict. Yea, you know, the
this system is designed against the plaintive. You know, the
jury you go to a jury of your peers. Well,
it wasn't a jury of my peers. If it was
a jury of my peers, it would have been people
like you, George, and we would have won. But it's
a it's a jury of people who have they were
in general, they were young. We had one person who
stood with us that happened to be the oldest person
on the jury. Outside of her, that the jury would
have been average age of thirty five or less. You know,
so they all went to the public full system. They're
all programmed to trust the system, you know, all those things.
You know. Then you know when you look at how
people quickly forget. God warns us of this in First Thessalonians,
chapter five, verse three, and you can see, so what
is what is that scripture saying? And God is warning
all of us to not be duped by peace and safety.
So you know, let's just review, you know, before COVID
you know, everybody's familiar with nine to eleven, So what
happened with nine to eleven? So we were under the
premise at that time when it happened that our country's
being attacked. So that creates fear. So then they always
come up with a peace and safety solution. So what
was it the patriot? Yep? So then we agree to
allow twenty four to seven monitoring right as a society,
and then we completely forget about it. Oh, we got
everything's back to normal. No, it's not back to normal. Well,
they did the same thing, this this Hegelian dialectic card
they play over over and over and over. So with COVID,
what happens? Okay, so now they create this pandemic and
so the same thing. It's predictable because the Hegelian dialectic
is by design we're going to have fear. So then
what's the solution. Ah, We're going to have the jab
So the job will eliminate this whole pandemic. If we
can just get the country jabbed, this thing will go
away and we'll get back to normal again, peace and safety.
But it's satanic in origin. So when you have this
idea of problem reaction solution, and Satan is behind it.
That's what God's warning about. Don't be duped by peace
and safety. Well now look at now, zoom out. What
are people into now? I mean, look at how easy
was it for people to get duped by a new king.
So now we have new King Trump and the new
AHHS secretary and they're going to fix everything. It's the
same thing. It's just it's always we don't want to repent.
We're lazy, we don't want to be accountable, we don't
want to repent. So consequently, our sinful nature always gravitates
towards peace and safety. So it's very frustrating, George, because
you know, I for me personally, I mean, we've given
our life to this. This is all we do. I mean,
this is now our new normal is. Things will never
get back to normal, never go back to work. I'll
never just be able to retire because this is what
I'm going to do the rest of my life. Why,
because that's what happens when you submit to God's authority.
All of a sudden he calls you to do something,
and things are different now. And anyway, that was a
long comment to your your.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was tremendous and it's something that we talk
about often is people are so quick to give up
their freedom for for for security. And it's one step forward,
two steps back. It's constant, and it's been happening, uh,
you know since the founding of this country, which is
something when when you kind of look into you wonder that, well,
are we really going to trust all these freemasons? But
that's another story for another day. I want to focus
on this and your your lawsuits. There's you could talk
about this stuff forever.
Speaker 1: Yeahlton, we're going to go into a different show than
what we play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, you know.
Speaker 1: What, Yeah, what happened with the lawsuits? So I'm just
going to give you a summary of what the jury decided.
So when you go into a lawsuit, what happens is
once you get into the courtroom, I mean, your family testifies.
Of course, you're what's called the fact witness. But then
what the jury does is they start relying on what
did the expert say. So we had a nurse expert
and a doctor expert. Our doctor expert was doctor Burdine
and doctor actually you know what, George, it would be
I think we should play that clip now, because then
people will hear what doctor Berdine said, and then I'm
going to say what the other expert said, and then
the jury is left to decide this. And then what
did the jury decide? That should scare every single person
listening to take action. So if you could play it now,
that'd be perfect.
Speaker 5: The number of the breaches of standard of KRE I
identify and my reports are too numerous to count, but
some of them stand out. One was the matter by
which father Cha was evicted from the hospital and its
impact on the outcome in Gray Sharrow and I found
this to be shameful conduct on behalf of the hospital.
The second issue were the breaches of standard of care
related to informed consent, and I find it indefensible that
this patient was given medications very dangerous medications, not theoretically
dangerous medications, but medications proved by the medical record to
be dangerous to this patient without informed consent. The events
on the thirteenth are very difficult to recognize. The repeated
administration of preced acts on the thirteenth was not just
a breach of the standard of care, it was insane.
The administration of Warphine on ten thirteen to a patient
who was unconscious, unresponsive, had lost her blood pressure, had
no palpable pulse, and whose respiratory pattern was screaming. To
anybody would look the administration of morphine in that situation
is was worst clinical decision I have ever witnessed in
over forty six years of medical practice.
Speaker 2: For the listeners on the audio, that was doctor Gilbert Boudine.
Speaker 1: Was it Burdine? Yes, there you go. I'm going to
just give a little bit more background. I could not
hear the clip, but so I'm assuming that you made
it work on your end. But I didn't need to
hear it. Hear it, I've heard, I heard it live,
and I've heard the clip many times. But doctor Burdine,
I want to just give a little bit more background.
Of course, I had a chance to work with him,
just a humble man, forty six year MD, Harvard grad.
He had never taken on a plaintive case before. He's
only worked for the defense, so when he's testified at trials,
it's always been for doctors, never for the plane of
He reviewed Grace's records and he thought her death was
so nefarious that he said, I'm called to do this.
He did not take one penny. Their experts, on the
other hand, were paid several hundred thousand dollars to review
the records and come to trial. You know, it's just
mind blowing what this man did. And you know, the
jury not just heard him live like what you that.
So that clip we played during our closing argument so
the jury would remember what was said during the first
week of the trial by doctor Burdine. You know. So
what he has said is that Grace's blood pressure, and
we know this from the medical records, at six oh
nine PM, her blood pressure was undetectable, and at six
fifteen the doctor gave Grace morphine. That's why he said
this is he's never seen anything this egregious in forty
six years of medical practice. When he was talking about
the meds, he said, these are not theoretical problems with
their meds. They're actual because Grace had two overdose events
on October seventh and October eighth before what happened on
October thirteenth. So, I mean, it's unconscionable what happened to her. So,
now that being said, they so we had one nurse expert,
one doctor expert. They had one nurse expert and five
doctor experts, so they brought in five to one. We
knew this was going to happen because we deposed all
these doctors. And before we ever filed the lawsuit, George,
we had made the decision to not file, and by
God's providence, doors opened up and facilitated us filing. And
so God called us to file. But why why didn't
we want to file originally? While you know, after Grace died,
I started checking things out and I was referred to
the best medical practice attorney in Wisconsin. And he told
me that even in slam dunk cases like this appears
to be you only have a one in ten chance
of winning at best. And so what why do you
say that? He said, they circle the wagons around their own.
He said, I'll tell you an example. He said. I
had a patient where we represented the family. The husband
had a sponge sewed up inside of him during the surgery,
and we lost. And I said, well, how is that possible?
He said, well, I brought in an expert, and they
brought in ten. So he brings in an expert that
says this is wrong, They bring in ten that say no,
it was fine. That's the standard. Of care. So this
is what happened at the trial. So the standard of care,
what people would think when I say that term standard
of care, you might think, well, it means what are
they supposed to do? So you have a broken leg,
the standard of care is set the leg and put
it in a cast. Well, that's an example of a
standard of care that you just pull the book off
the shelf and you open it up and that's your
standard care. Well, in a medical malpractice lawsuit, the standard
of care becomes what would a reasonable doctor do in
a same or similar situation. So these doctor experts that
defense brought in came in and said that if you're
in a hospital, you are giving implied consent, so informed
consent is not necessary. And because the drugs that they
gave Grace are normal, no informed consent is necessary anyway,
because they're just normal. So you don't have to give
informed consent if it's drugs that they just commonly use,
and it's normal that because she's in a hospital with
implied consent, they don't even have to tell us about
the overdose events. Really, George, I'm not making this up.
This is what they're This is what their experts said, Finally,
and this is the most important. Their experts said that
if you don't agree for a pre authorization for a ventilator.
So we never agreed, you know, they asked us multiple times,
will you give us a pre authorization for a ventilator
just in case? They said, these type of things tend
to happen in the middle of the night when we
can't get a hold of family, So will you let
us use a ventilator just in case? Well, you know,
subsequent to Grace's death, I researched ventilators and found out
ninety percent of the people who are put on them
with COVID die in the hospital. They died twenty two
days later. Because that's consistent with the maximum payout formula
for a ventilator. So if you won't give a pre
authorization for ventilator, this is what their experts said, opposite
of what our experts said. They said that that's called
d and I do not intubate. That's the same as DNR,
and a doctor can unilaterally place a DNR on a
patient without consent, without a witness, without a signature, and
without a DNR bracelet. So doctor Burdyne said, no, that's
not true. You know, common sense tells you that dn
R is the most important thing you could ever enter into,
so it should have a witness, a signature, and a
DNR bracelet, right, you know, it's the blinding flash of
the obvious. But they had five experts come in and say, no,
that's not necessary. The doctor. You're supposed to essentially turn
all of your rights over to the hospital upon admission
to the hospital. And that reality of the jury verdict
should scare anybody to take action in advance of going
into a hospital. But more importantly, it should scare you
to get a sense for where is our country at.
I mean, honest to god, people are that blind that
they just would turn all their rights over to a hospital.
You know, don't these people realize that they could be
in the same position as Grace someday and you just
ohe whatever the doctor does, if I die, I die.
But that's that is what happened at the trial. That's why,
you know, I'm not surprised because of how programmed our
society is, but I am shocked that a jury would
not see that they could be in this exact same
position as Grace someday and they would be okay, with
it anyway. That's the that's the summary of the trial
in you know, about three minutes.
Speaker 2: You know, there's so much to talk about if you
go back and actually read the normbog Norremberg Code and
it talks about humans having you know, absolute control over
their bodies. If you actually look at what happened during
COVID and you read the Normburg Code or the rules
as it's known that you know all this human experimentation
that they say went on, and you know this trial
in nineteen forty seven, and you look at the ten
principles which I was trying to find when you were
wrapping it up, because it calls.
Speaker 4: Out literally.
Speaker 2: To be able to have these just it doesn't matter
if you're in a hospital or wherever. To just say
that your physical well being is in the hands of
someone else because you cross this magical threshold is simply nonsense.
Speaker 4: And it's.
Speaker 2: The other thing is you mentioned the lawyer was telling
you one in every ten people are actually able to
pull this out. And the one even example he gave
was somebody passed when they had a sponge left in
him from a surgery. I almost passed out when he
said that, because twenty five years ago when I was
stationed in Hawaii. A guy I worked with, he was
a staff sergeant, he worked on black Hawks, he was
a black Hawk mechanic. His wife went in for a
fairly routine there's no such thing as a routine surgery.
Right when you cut somebody open, that's not routine. But
the same thing happened. They left a sponge in there,
a massive infection, and she passed away. They ended up
Triple Army Hospital ended up settling with him, and he
got chapter out of the Army because obviously, you know,
lost his wife. But these are these are the realities
because a humans run the medical community, and as humans
were all flawed, we all make mistakes. Right, if you're
a mailman, you make a mistake, the neighbor gets your letter.
Speaker 4: In the medical.
Speaker 2: Community, when you make a mistake, it can cost people
your lives. Now, your situation was well beyond a simple mistake.
I think what happened in your case was something that
we saw so often, and not just in hospitals, but
in your local walmarts or anywhere you went. You know,
this Marxist ideology that they were pushing down to people
who accepted it was to have to rule over other people.
You know, where's your mask, where's your vaccine? And this
whole new world that we live in today, it's just egregious.
Speaker 1: Well, I yeah, I couldn't agree more. I guessed it's
hard for me to grasp that people would give up
their rights so easily, but it's happened. This has happened
systematically over time. You know, the first time that we
gave up rights was in the garden in Genesis three.
I've been studying Genesis three because I'm going to do
a podcast on it. You know, so Satan used the
same tricks then in Genesis three, you know, don't trust God,
you know, give up your rights for this quest for knowledge,
and you know, all of a sudden what happens is
our sinful nature takes over and then we give up
our freedom that God gave us to the state. So
what am I talking about? It can be very specific,
and this is why my message the solution to this is,
you know, it's never going to be a new king
or a new AHHS secretary. It's going to be coming
to grips with the rights that you gave up. So
we systematically give up our for taking care of ourself
and retirement. Because now we have social Security, the state
takes care of us in our retirement. When we are
sixty five, we get free healthcare Medicare, So now the
state takes care of our healthcare. Well, what is the
reason the state has done all this? This was all
by design under the Satanic principle of collectivism. And so
why collectivism? Well, collectivism means the good of the population
versus the good of the individual. Well, God is an individualist.
Collectivism says that if you are a non contributing member
of society, you don't deserve the same benefits as a
contributing member of society. Well, guess who's non contributing members
the disabled and the elderly. Guess how many people are
on Medicare and Medicaid one hundred and thirty five million,
a third of them. Guess how much that costs sixty
percent of the annual federal budget. So now they create
this illusion that they've all of a sudden, now they
got to balance the budget. Well, there's no such thing,
because we have a fiat currency. But they create this
in the their panic, and we got to balance the budget.
It costs too much, So then they ration care under
the collectivism model, they ration care. Okay, so what is
rationing care mean. Well, rationing care means hastening death, making
us die sooner, so it doesn't cost so much, so
that hastening death is murder. So what is the bigger
So why did they even figure all this stuff out?
Who's they? The Satanic minions? Because Satan is so the
big lie that. You know, God's not going to take
care of you. We have too many people on the planet,
not enough resources, so don't trust God. We've got to
do this. And so consequently, you know, people are living
too long. We've got to we have to ration care
and hasten death. So that's what's going on on a
macro level, and you know that's you know, this fight
is about repentance. You know, if people can come to
grips with that, they all part I participated, you participated,
Every single listener participated in laziness and not wanting to
be accountable. So then we turn our rights over to
the state and repentance is the only way out of this.
God is calling us to repentance. That's what's going on
right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first ten words of the Nuremberg Code is
the voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
Speaker 1: Bingo voluntary, right and voluntary.
Speaker 2: The world we live in today is not that, and
you're right. They want us to be so dependent on
the government to where it just becomes you know, their rules,
and it not used to be that way. A government
that does not live in fear is tyranny, That's exactly
what it is. And when we live in fear of
the government again, that's tyranny as well. I did want
to ask you, you filed this lawsuit back in April
of twenty twenty three, so it was twenty five months
from the time he filed to the time the trial
actually started. What hurdles did you have to overcome to
actually get to that date of June.
Speaker 1: Second, it's huge, So we filed April eleventh of twenty three.
Then we had multiple motions to dismiss in July of
twenty three, then multiple motions to dismiss in October of
twenty three. Then in May of twenty four, they put
me under a gag order, you know, so then we
had to go back to court for that, and the
gag order was lifted in July of twenty four. Then
there's pre trial hearings, which you know, the the main
hoops to jump through in the pre trial hearings, there's
so many motions that have to be filed. So by
this time already, so the pre trial hearings were in May,
so this is now, you know, three weeks before the
actual trial. It was already seven hundred thousand in legal
fees at that time, Joe, and now it's just over
a million dollars in legal fees now that the trial
is done. So you know, it's hurdle after hurdle after hurdle.
And what happened at the pre trial hearings and one
of the mistakes that we believe the judge made is
you file what's called motions and limony at the pre
trial And the idea is very simple. You're trying to say, well,
what evidence should come into trial. So we wanted the
evidence to be about October sixth through October thirteenth of
twenty twenty one. What happened to Grace during that week,
and so we filed motions in limity to not allow
the defense to bring in the things that I have
researched subsequent to that day. The judge denied those motions
in limity. So the defense was able to successfully put
me into the fringe category of conspiracy theorists because they
were able to bring that stuff into the trial. And
you know that of course influenced the jury. But I
don't even know if it would have mattered George because
the jury had a biased towards the medical establishment. Of
course they are right, I mean, that's the system that
they believe in.
Speaker 2: You know, I always like to do researches on judges
because a lot of them tend to be in a
particular secret society community. One thing I found, and I
don't remember if I found anything on judge Mark McGinnis
is his name, but there was a story actually from
the Wisconsin Justice Justice Initiative, which I guess is kind
of a watchdog for the which obviously twenty twenty we
saw quite a you know, Wisconsin was in the crosshairs
of the Summer of Love in twenty twenty. But I
guess judge McGinnis like dropped an F bomb added defendant
during one of the hearings. So just looking back and
again that this is from a third person point of view,
he doesn't seem to be you know, a judge should
be just a referee, letting everybody present, and he's kind
of the boundary. It seems like he gets emotionally pulled
into one side or the other during these.
Speaker 4: Events.
Speaker 2: And when you installed a defendant, and I saw the
way you were treated, which I don't know if you
wanted to mention or not during this interview, but he
he'd even come under investigation. We're talking about Judge McGinnis
here after he jailed a man over a contract dispute
with a courthouse employee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did see that same article. The Watchdog
group is a liberal watchdog group, which you know at
this point I don't care about liberal conservatives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all out the window.
Speaker 1: That's part of the whole siop and get us into
the evil versus less evil dialectics of Satan. But yeah,
you know I found him as a person. You know,
I had a lot of time with him, not just
the three weeks in trial, but two full days of
pre trial and then all those trial days beforehand. You know,
I just I thought as a judge. I don't have
experience with a judge, but I just thought he was
a good judge. Remember he's in the anti christ legal system.
So I don't even know what that looks like, but
I mean, it just seemed he seemed fair to me.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any beef with him other than the
motions in limity. I think that was really a grave
mistake that he made, disallowing our motions in limiting because
why why would it Why is it reasonable for the
defense to even bring in what my perspective of the
jab is, what my perspective, you know, my ventilator research
post Grace's death, Why is that relevant? You know? So
then he also did something that was very unique for
it's allowed, but it's unique is that he'd let the
jury ask questions after every witness. Really, I really liked
that personally because you know, it gives you the freedom
to answer what questions they have. And then you know,
for the people who really don't know their material, they
get tagged. And you know, the nurse that was in
the as a defendant, I mean, she she got tagged
by the questions of the jury. But they ended up
asking me questions about ivermectin and all kinds of things
that you know, and I just answered them truthfully or
they're all fine questions, but they really had nothing to
do with.
Speaker 2: What happened, what was going on, So they were just
trying to make you out to be a conspiracy theorist,
like what we saw in twenty twenty correct. Yeah, like
the frontline doctors and everyone else. They just kind of
look at these people. But I'll tell you what you know,
here we are in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: I've interviewed hundreds of people over the last few years,
and I will tell you the one thing that people
have in common, whether it's someone who's been in the
truth community for a long time or just awake recently,
that COVID has played a large part in the awakening
of people to realize that there's something going on right.
That's they're starting to realize that things are not as
they same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a positive as long as they don't go
for security and comfort as the solution. If they start
looking to God, well now we're making some headway. But
if they are looking for solutions through our government, our
government is in on it. You know. The solution becomes
take back. Once you repent, you can reclaim the ground
that you lost. And I have a few bullet points
I just want to review as far as you know
people that hear me talk, you know, assuming that now
you're awake and say, yeah, I want to prepare, What
do you do? How can you prepare? And so I'm
just going to ramble through these quickly so that people
understand there are things you can do. I just released
a sub stack this morning. So if you go to
Grace website, our Amazinggrace dot net in the upper right
hand corner, it says subscribe to our newsletter, that's our substack.
And these seven points I'm going to ramble through are
in that substack that just was released this morning, along
with all the hyperlinks. So Number one, get your critical
thinking back. How do you do that? Drop your medical insurance.
Medical insurance is designed, they're in on it with CMS
Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services. And so once you
drop your medical insurance, now ah, now you have freedom
to think again versus asking the stupid question does my
insurance pay for it? Yeah? No, kidding, they pay for
it because they're in on it. Number two, get a
medical professional who does not accept Medicare and Medicaid. If
they accept Medicare and Medicaid, they have to follow the
ration care model. That the government dictates with their whole
incentive program. Number three, Go ahead, say.
Speaker 2: How hard is that to find a doctor who is
not involved in the government system, Because like I, for instance,
I have Trycare because I'm military retired. People love that
because I guess it's a guaranteed paycheck, whereas a lot
of the other people either don't have insurance. It seems
to me it would it be extremely difficult to find
a doctor who's not in that system.
Speaker 1: It's easier than what you think. As there's a couple
of organizations. Yeah, so I have a hyperlink that'll be
on the substack, and there's an organization called Join the
Wedge that was started by Twilt Brais and that is
all medical professionals who are cash pay only. And it's
organized by state, so you can just zero in on
your state and your locale and find somebody who is
a cash pay medical professional. There's a lot of people
who are who get this now, and so the network
is there, it's already established. Number three is arranged for
non vaccinated blood before the need arises. People don't think
about stuff like this. You go in for a surgery
and you don't need to have a blood transfusion. You
don't want vaccinated blood, right, so you've got to range
for that ahead of time. I've got the hyperlink in
the sub stack. Again, get your paperwork in order. So
what is paperwork? Medical directives, document and a medical power
of attorney. You know those are obvious. But remember, and
this gets to number five, is you got to have
an advocate because there's no paperwork that ever saved your life.
I mean, we had our paperwork in order for Grace,
but look what happened. So an advocate. If I would
have known in October of twenty one what I know
today about advocacy, even if Grace was in the hospital,
she'd be alive today. And the reason is is because
I would have started with the premise that an advocate
needs to start with, which is you are not going
to give any authority. And so this is point number six.
You don't give any authority without your express written consent.
So don't rely on the doctor to give informed consent.
And you know that goes along with when you check
into the hospital. Of course, don't ever sign their blank
That's what I was about to mention, you know, their
little blank screen that you're giving the blanket consent. You
know that, that's just that's so obvious. I'm not even
mentioned here. And then the last thing is we have
a link to protocol kills dot com and Greta Crawford
has that website and she's got a hospital survival guide
and I have the link as a hyperlink in the
substackle also. So those seven points, those are practical things
you can do once you're awake. And you know, bigger
picture is these type of things are under the premise
of reclaim the ground that you lost by tacitly agreeing
to Satan's legalistic method in turning our rights over to
the state, and that's through repentance.
Speaker 4: Amen. Amen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're so quick to sign off on those things,
whether it's an update on her cell phone or you know,
you go in you see these pages with just all
this text on it, and you're just we never read it.
Speaker 4: We sign on. And there are many.
Speaker 2: Examples where you can give where you've really got to
be careful when you put your John Hancock on something.
So that's that is something that we should be wary
of anytime we signed something, especially when it comes to
the medical community. Now in this fight with big medical
end you know, presodex, lrazapam, and morphine. We're all involved,
which means also Big Pharmaceutical was was involved. Did any
of these Did anyone for Big Pharma reach out to
you whatsoever on on on any level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a great question. Nobody ever asked me
that question. But no, no one reached out on us whatsoever.
They never offered to settle with us, and nobody from
Big Farmer reached out to us either. You know, I
get it, you know, they they see you know, I've
said multiple times on interviews that were not settling. God
did not call us into this fight to settle. Any settlement,
by the way, would have come with a gig order.
So that's why this was not about settling. An interesting
statistical fact is in Wisconsin and most states have this,
is there's a cap on medical malpractice lawsuits. So remember
I told you the lawsuit itself cost over one million dollars. Well,
the maximum out of maximum that you can get in
a medical malpractice lawsuit in Wisconsin is seven hundred and
fifty thousand, So that becomes a barrier to ever even
filing because who's ever, you know, unless God calls you,
you're not going to spend a million dollars to get
seven hundred and fifty thousand back, And we even said
in depositions that we're not taking the money, you know,
because we wanted Grace's case to be above reproach. We
just wanted the case to be about the facts. And
if we lost based on the facts, it shows people
what is going on, where are we at in the
medical industrial complex and where are we at as a country,
And the facts of this case should just scare you.
It should scare you to realize, oh my gosh, the
only way out of this is repentance and reclaiming the
groan that we lost hey man.
Speaker 2: And the biggest victory would have been other future lawsuits
being able to cite yours as an example right and
share this is ascension in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: If we won, that was the So what we were
hoping for with a win is that we would have
gotten what's called an excessive verdict. So if we would
have won and the jury said you get a million dollars, well,
that it would have been a two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars excessive verdict. So the judge would have then said, well,
the most that they can receive a seven fifty. That
would have allowed us to appeal to the Supreme Court
and the state Supreme Court, not the national And then
they would have you know, we would presume they would
have removed the caps, and that would have opened up
opportun unities for more people to file lawsuits, because it
just doesn't make any sense to file a lawsuit with
a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars cap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, and I was just looking at you just
dropped the substack two hours ago with the gray share
of wrongful death trial showed the world. I do have
the link to your substack in the show notes as
well as well as to your website. But you put
a lot of work into your website. You put a
lot of work into your substack. You obviously with the trial,
you must be physically and mentally exhausted. But I know
what type of person you are. You're doing the Lord's work.
But where do you go from here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another great question. So as far as the
exhaustion piece, Yeah, I'm still recouping a bit. I had
taken three months off of interviews and research and even
from just keeping up with the daily chores just to
work solely on the lawsuit. So I'm almost caught up, George.
I still have a couple more days of backfill just
to catch up on all the stuff that went on
the on hold for three months. But I'm getting there.
So where do we go from here? I mean, nothing's changed.
I mean a verdict against us doesn't change the game
plan that we've been on. You know, it just makes
it more urgent, you know, So these seven points. I've
been preaching those seven points for a long time. But
you know, bigger picture, I'm going to get back into
the research that I put on hold, which I started
a series called Escaping Babylon, and I had published the
first installment of that series, the Physical Escape. How do
we get out of Babylon? So we're we're in Babylon
right now, which means, you know, just so your listeners
can understand what I'm talking about, is I have spent
a great deal of time studying Revelation thirteen. And in
Revelation thirteen, God explained Satan's dualistic nature, the antichrist nature
and the false prophet nature, the evil nature versus the
less evil nature, and you know, that's what the series
is based on, is how do we once we see this,
how do we get back to God and escape the
Babylonian system that Satan has established to control the entire world.
Speaker 2: If I'm mute to amen to that, you know, I
have the utmost respect for you. I know a lot
of people, and listen, everybody is different. I'm not criticizing,
but even for me, that kind of loss would be devastating.
And every time I've talked to you, every time I've
seen you on the television or on another interview, You've
composed yourself, for lack of better words, gracefully if you will,
and moreover, such a representation of what it means to
be a follower of Christ. And I was reflecting this morning.
I don't know if you know who John MacArthur is.
We lost him last night and I've been reading his
book Ken God Bless America on the podcast the last
couple of weeks, one chapter at a time for the audience.
And we need more people like that who you know,
when we get into these rabbit holes, whether it be
the medical industrial complex, the military industrial complex, that at
the bottom of every rabbit hole is Satan and this
war we're in is a spiritual war, and we have
to keep that the primary focus of when we get
involved in these worldly things.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely right on. And I will tell you why.
You know, you said that, I have maintained composure doing
the interviews and things, and the reason is because God
did it, you know, Grace. I'll just say, I'll share
this and I want to I want to backfill with
with the exactness so people can stand on the same
thing that God gave me to stand on. So I
was asked in an interview last week about what would
Grace be saying to you right now, and she would say,
God did it, Dad, And so why would she say
God did it even though we lost, Well, because she
knows what I know. God is sovereign. So God allowed
this case to get to the point where we've had
it livestream to millions of people. I mean, that was
a miracle. And then she would say, next, keep going
earthly Dad. You know, she called me earthly Dad, George,
And of course my response is I will, buddy. So
I mean, I'm not planning on giving up. But what
I want to backfill just a little bit is, you know,
God is sovereign, so what does that mean? God knew
we were going to lose before we ever stepped foot
into that courtroom. It's just we didn't. So that's the
neat thing about living the Christian life is you give
it you're all. You just give it your all. But
after the verdict is read into the record, it's over.
Now we know, okay, well that was God's will, so
then you can be content with that and then you
move on to the next thing. So that's why I
can maintain composure because I am confident that God is sovereign.
So I mean it's you know, we judge things as humans, right,
you know, so of course as a man, you know,
as an emotional man, I wanted to win. Of course
I wanted to win. Everybody wants to win. I've never
worked so hard on something that I've lost, you know,
I just all killed myself for this trial. I mean
it really worked. I have never worked so hard on
one thing and we lost. Okay, well then that means
it's over. It was God's will and okay, he obviously
knows way more than me, and he's in the business
of souls, so he surely sees that more souls are
going to be saved by a loss than a win.
You know, it's obvious, so then there's no sense in
worrying about it anymore. It's yesterday's news. So that's why
I can maintain the the attitude, George, is because I
know God's sovereign.
Speaker 2: Ay Man, I wanted to ask you one more question.
You know when people go through traumatic events that they
are often contacted, reached out, or fall into a group
of people who have had similar experiences. Have you had
a lot of people who maybe have lost a loved
one in this type of situation that have reached out
to you And what was that experience like and how
is it blessed your life?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Literally thousands of people have have done that and
hundreds of emails and cards. It's fantastic. I mean, how
those things are you know, it's it is lonely to
do this, you know, so those things are very uplifting,
they're encouraging. So I appreciate them. And you know the
things that we've been directly involved, and I think I
told you off air we saved a disabled man out
of a Green Bay hospital. My wife Cindy and I
did you know that was a physical saving of a person,
physically removed him from the hospital. I want to just
go into that for a moment. But many people, you
know via telephone where you know, they're asking for help
because they you know, they were familiar with the story
and you can walk them through it. And the hardest
part about walking people through it is if they're not awake.
They have you know, you have one foot in the
world and one foot in God's kingdom, and you know
that's a tough place to be because you know, we
One example was a person with down syndrome that lost
his life, and that was a local person in Appleton, Wisconsin.
And the sister called me, Uh, she was awake enough,
but I said, who's the decision maker? And her mother
and the man's mother was the power of attorney and
she said she I said, can I come and meet
with the family, and she wants to trust the doctor
and her brother. The down syndrome man lost his life
because of that. So that's hard. That's hard to deal with.
This man, the disabled man that we rescued, Uh, he's
become a friend. His name is Robert Payser. And what
was an interesting thing there, George, is he was just
about dead when I got when I got to see
him in the hospital, and through a series of all
kinds of providential things, we were able to literally save
his life. Well then after we got to the point where, okay,
it's time to take him out, one of the nurses
was in the room and I said to her, and
this really gives you a perspective as to where people
are at, I said to her, and I said, you
don't have to acknowledge what I'm going to say, but
I'll may never have this chance again. And so I said,
you know they were going to kill him, And I said,
you don't. Again, you don't have to acknowledge that. But
the question I am for you personally is why would
you participate in that? They had already given him six
doses of remdesevir. He was near death when I got
into the room, George, and she said to me, I'm
from the Philippines and if I don't do what they say,
they'll ship me back. And that attitude I've seen not
just with somebody from the Philippines. I saw it with
another nurse locally who she was sixty six years old.
I asked her she saw an illegal dn R put
on her dad. I said, well, you come on podcasts
with me. You're way more credible than I am. I'm
just a dad, you're a nurse. And she said, I
can't do that. I'm a year away from retirement and
if I do that, I'd lose my job. So this
is this mindset that you know, people are more worried
about their personal being versus speaking out and saving others.
That's scary stuff to me. I can't imagine not doing
what we are doing now. Yeah, I just don't want
anybody else to lose their best buddy. I mean, it's
so simple. Why wouldn't you speak out? But people they
won't do it. It's hard to grasp.
Speaker 2: Well, you just encapsulated twenty twenty in a nutshell there people.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: I've got emails letters from people who regret what they did,
but they did it because of their financial situation. Same
with police during twenty twenty. I've seen hidden interviews and
people sent me links to police who were involved in
these shutdowns of churches, et cetera. They felt horrible, but
they still went through with it because they say, well,
I've got to feed my family and if we don't and.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm not trying We're all. I'm not trying to.
Speaker 2: But if we're going to get out of this situation,
there's going to be a period of uncomfortableness because we've
allowed this monster to grow so large. So the longer
we wait, the more painful the separation is going to be.
Speaker 1: If we don't rebuke evil, who's going to do it?
And that's what is required. Now that I just said
that word rebuke, I will challenge anybody to read Ephesians
five eleven, and you're going to find out something shocking
when you read Ephesians five eleven, which is Satan changes
the Bible too. Ephesians five eleven says, have nothing to
do with the fruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Until you realize it doesn't say expose them, it says
expose them in your modern translation. With Satan changed, go
back to the Geneva Bible, in the Tindale Bible, and
you see it's rebuke. We're supposed to rebuke evil. That
means you stand against it. So all the people, for example,
that they said, well I took the jab because my
employer made me do it, that is not true until
you come to grips with the fact that you chose it.
You cannot repent because you're blaming. It's what happened when
Adam and Eve were challenged by God in the garden.
You know that woman made me do it, the serpent
made me do it. No, God did not accept any
of those excuses, and he doesn't accept the excuse for
why you say you got jabbed. He wants you to repent,
and that's what we've got to do. We have to repent.
Once you're repentant, you rebuke evil. I yeah, it's become
This is a huge piece of why I speak out, George.
You know the I think the Christian people are the
ones who are the most duped in our society.
Speaker 4: That there's a huge falling away of the church.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of great YouTube channels that are really
putting this under a microscope, and much of it is
you know, you can trace it back to Schofield in
the late eighteen hundreds with the introduction of the Schofield Bible,
and then all the preachers of today who oh no,
we don't rebuke.
Speaker 4: We just love, just love, just love. Boy. I'll tell
you what.
Speaker 2: If if judging wasn't a thing, Hell wouldn't exist.
Speaker 4: End of story.
Speaker 1: Bingo, that's exactly right. Yeah, the Scofield Bible deception is huge. Yeah,
going back to Revelation thirteen. You know, Satan has a
physical deception and a spiritual deception. The anti Christ system
is all designed to get us into one world government. Ye,
the false prou Its system gets us to all one
world religion. So I mean the Scofield Bible deception is
part of that spiritual deception. So these deceptions are so
you know, just the whole idea of denominations. Denominations promote legalism.
That's an entire spiritual deception in the false prophet side
of Satan. It's so deep. And you know, this is
where my studying has gone. And like I said, I
took three months off of that studying because I you know,
we had the puzzle piece of the trial. That's why
you know, when I zoom out from the trial, the
trial was a puzzle piece in a much bigger exposure
of not exposure in a much much bigger shining light
and rebuking on these the Satanic world system that we
have all become become part of. And it's it's I
had a cursory knowledge of Satan beforehand. Now when as
I've been studying it, it's like, oh my gosh, I
cannot believe how long. I mean, he's been working on
this since the Garden, and the same elements that he
used to deceive in the Garden, he's doing the identical
thing today. Why because it works.
Speaker 4: Yep, we fall for it every time.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what they've stopped. It seems like
after nine to eleven the world truly changed. And they
don't hide. And when I say they, you know, the
powers that be, that the Luciferians, the ones who work
for for Satan, and that includes you know, the thirty
three percent of the angels that fell with him that
are here on this earth that are playing a large
part of you know, everything that we see in the
world today, and it's important. People are starting to understand
that it's much bigger than you know, just worldly things,
and people are I'm glad to see people are getting
back into the Bible. Even you mentioned the Geneva Bible.
I've I get emails all the time now saying what
I didn't know there was a such thing as the Apocrypha.
Speaker 4: I didn't know this. I didn't know that. And the
whole King James.
Speaker 2: You know, we trusted a king to alter the Bible,
and a lot of people don't know how much money
King James made from that whole kind of taking over
Protestantism less than one hundred years after Martin Luther. That's
something I'm working on writing now. I'll talk to you
offline about that. But it's really interesting a lot of
the things if you look at the timeline over the
last five hundred years, and how even there's Protestants who
don't even understand that what that word means. They just
think it's I'm a Protestant. They don't know that I
protest Catholicism. And that's I think intentionally with Satan's deception,
and it's just to kind of I don't want to say,
dumb people down, but to high knowledge, I guess is
really what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really I am really glad to hear you
talk about this. I didn't know how lake minded we were. Yeah,
this is so big, this topic. It's that's good that
you're I'm glad you're exposing it to your audience. It's
the biggest topic I mean, I can see that the
rest of my life is going to be on this idea.
How do we escape Babylon? I mean, it's one of
the things they'll just share with you, George. That I
believe is true is in Genesis eighteen seventeen. That's when
God said to Abraham, shall I withhold from Abraham what
I'm about to do? And so why does God tell
us things in advance? Well, he doesn't want to control us.
He wants us to be prepared. So because Satan is
under God, I believe Satan is bound by that same principle.
He has to let us know what he's going to
do before we do it, but we have to have
our eyes open to be looking for it. And then
what happens when he after he lets us know what
he's going to do, and then we go along with it.
So he's the ultimate legalist. And now we got captured
in that legal taskit approval. It's a lot like in
Grace's case. They're saying, because I allowed Grace in the hospital,
I gave implied consent. So now because I went along
with this revealing that Satan gave, now I gave him
plied consents. And now I'm legally bound. Well that's you know,
repentance is always the answer to these things.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard Jordan Maxwell's Maritime Admirality Low his
little fit?
Speaker 1: I haven't. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah I have. I've heard
a short clip of his.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's spot on how and even mentions how it relates,
how that the court is relatable to a basketball court,
and birthing and and words truly have meaning. And that
that's why you'll find that's just about every person who
is a senator or or whatever has a degree in
law because they understand that this is a business. This
country is a business. And and coming full circle, uh
to the medical medical side of the house. We really
lost out when when the Rockefellers hijacked big medicine, and
medicine became a business and now it's a trillion I mean,
who knows how much money they make a year. And
isn't it funny that they broke healthcare down? You have
health care, right, United Healthcare, whatever, but then they separate
dental and and vision is somehow Oh, that's that's not healthcare.
That's that's something completely different. It's just when when healthcare
becomes a business. Uh, they answered their first answers to
the shareholder, the shareholders and and not the patient.
Speaker 1: Well that's that's right on. And you know, the people
that are making the decisions a lot of them don't
realize that they are participating in evil. But the people
on that are higher up, sure do you know can't.
Hannah Errant coined the phrase banality of evil, So then
you know, banality means it's common people are all participating
in this evil. They don't even realize it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: So you know when people, you know, you buy health
insurance for example, and so you just think, well it's
dumb if I don't protect my family with health health insurance. Well,
now you became a participating in evil. You end up
by paying your health insurance premium. You're supporting an evil
piece of that puzzle, and you don't even realize it
because it's been programmed that this is just normal. You know,
everybody does it. We all have health insurance. Well that's
why you know, my number one thing when I went
through that list of seven is drop your health insurance.
And there's a reason I put that on there is
because you know, God wants us to be critical thinkers,
and you know when you start relying on those type
of things, you do have your critical thinking checks out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you I have a family member who
has been in the medical side of the house for
long time, and it's not good for the mental well
being having you know, they automatically will just reject x
amount of claims just off the top and having people.
Speaker 4: Calling and crying and complain and not.
Speaker 2: I don't like to like they're complaining, but you know,
obviously having because they'll take your paycheck or they'll take
it out of your check every two weeks like clockwork.
But when when it's time for them to cover you, you
have to go. You know, that's the system more and
that's that's really what we got to get past. And
I don't like like our government, Scott. I don't think
it's something that we can fix. I think it's something
that needs to be broken down and built back. And
I'm not going to say build back better, but it
needs to be rebuilt.
Speaker 4: Let's say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right on, George. It is. It is so
good to go back and forth like this. I just
enjoy this type of interview more than than any It
just it's really nice to be on with somebody like minded.
Speaker 2: And I can't thank you enough for coming on a
second time. And I know we have your your website,
we have your substack. You mentioned a pot you have
a separate podcast or is that within your substack.
Speaker 1: It's a separate I released them on substack, but they're
also released on Rumble and Spotify, and you know wherever
are the producer releases. Some of them even go on
YouTube if they're not too bad. Most of them get
rejected from YouTube. So it's called deep programming with Grace's data,
that's right, and you know it obviously fits with what's
happening is you know, from about two months after Grace
died is when the process of me depprogramming myself for
God leading me to become deep programmed started. And as
I've been waking up, I share those things via the
podcast and they end up done being recorded. You know,
there's so much, as you know, once you get yeah,
there's just it's too much. I mean, I've gotta the
way my brain work is, I have to take those
things and then you know, put it in an organized
fashion that I can go on. Okay, let's go to
the next thing and the next thing. So that's how
it's been going. It's been running for about three years now, amazing.
Speaker 2: I'll find that and put that in the links as well.
Thank you again for your time. Was there anything you
wanted to close with, sir before we part ways, Well,
I'll just share that.
Speaker 1: You know, we we as a family, we our calling
is under Genesis fifty twenty, and Genesis fifty twenty says
what you meant for evil, God meant for good, the
saving of many lives, which is happening today, and that's
where we see our calling. You know, that's why when
you ask what's next, it's nothing's changed. Our calling hasn't changed,
and we're just going to keep going with the command
that God gave us to save lives. And you know
that's both physical and spiritual. And you know, the physical
thing we talked mainly about today, but we also touched
on spiritual, which I think is well, I know, it's
infinite more important than physical because once you know your
Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, at least you're you're on
solid ground at that point and they can't do anything
to you once you have that.
Speaker 2: Relationship, Amen, And it's I'm so glad to reconnect and
thank you for all the work that you've done in
exposing the evil in this world. I was thankful to
see the traction that it made again, like you had mentioned,
it got on Joe Rogan and it was on a
lot of the alternative news networks, the bigger one. So again,
in my eyes, it was as much as a win
as it could possibly be. Hopefully people are more awake
the next time that they have a situation where they
do have to go to the hospital and understand what
they're up against. And again, thank you for sharing your
story and your wonderful daughter. Again, for our listeners, it's
our amazing Grace dot net substack under the same name.
The links will be in the show description. And for
Scott Schrih, I'm George Hobbs. God bless you all and
until we meet again, my friends, we will.
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