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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome to authors in Dragon's Side Quest. The
episodes we do, between the episodes we do that we're
known for what we're doing. I am Drew Hayes, author
of series such as Superpowers, n PCs and Fred the
Vampire Accountant, which comes out it's final book around Halloween.
Oh my god, what a coincidence. That's what we're talking
about today.
Speaker 2: Who is we?
Speaker 4: Well, let's go down the list. Let's start with the
usual d M of the podcast. Mister m Kay Gibson, Hey,
who does it going?
Speaker 5: Doing good? You want to maybe plug your books a
little there?
Speaker 3: Not really, I mean, they don't know, they don't care. No,
just find me, buy my books, my AWNI books. Tell
your friends, tell your enemies.
Speaker 5: Give me.
Speaker 4: I feel like if they're listening to the side quest
on what season two of this game? They probably have
learned your.
Speaker 5: Name at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think that you think that they would still
like they would like like step off over my burning
corp like like to get to y'all. So it's okay,
I understand. I know I'm in the hierarchy, so it's fine.
Speaker 5: But it's fine, all right.
Speaker 4: Uh, following that round of insecurity complex dep is Rick
will Terry.
Speaker 6: I need no introduction because, let's be honest, you'd like,
you know, step over Gibbie's pissing corpse, so.
Speaker 3: I'd piss on his corpse.
Speaker 4: And yeah, Rick changed it a little bit. Now your
corpse is the one that's pissing. So I'm not sure
what that says about how you died. Uh, but it's
just to eat kaplan.
Speaker 7: Speaking of dying, no pressing on corpses.
Speaker 5: No, well I's not here.
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm Emily. I play Claudia. But today we're just
talking about halloweeny stuff. So yeah, and I'm writing a
new book.
Speaker 3: Just talking about his reading. Sorry, someone had to do it.
Speaker 7: It was right there, writing a new book called Larcenielis.
It's in the Arsenic and Albi series, the Virtual Vigilante
mystery series set in North.
Speaker 4: Carolina and last on the dock at last in our
hearts and technically speaking, last in the alphabetical order, it
is Steve Weatherall.
Speaker 2: That was the least technical bar about that? You said
a bit? Yeah, Steve, Well, I've read horror stuff far
into the dark, hell, demon shoot a dead, zombies, vampires
and different kinds of zombies. Everyone you leve will be
eaten by wolves, surprise wolves. So yeah, I've bring some horror.
Fuck you Happy Halloween.
Speaker 5: I guess I should plug that.
Speaker 4: I've been doing novellas on my Patreon for the past
year and a half and they are pretty much.
Speaker 5: All horror based.
Speaker 4: So if you want some horror of mine that you
have absolutely not read patreon dot com last three Hayes novels.
All right, and with that, it is time to talk
about the season of tim the time of We're gonna
buy a lot of overpriced candies and carve up a pumpkin.
It's mother fucking Halloween time.
Speaker 2: Hooray.
Speaker 4: Never really matched my energy actually there, Yeah, that's what
I felt, corner my ass. So we are I think
we're going to kick things off by talking about any
Halloween related movies, horror movies, horror TV things that we've seen.
And while we're doing that, I'm going to go ahead
and throw a link into the chat.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: The chat I'm referencing is on the Lime show chat
that we do, because that's right right now, we have
some folks who are following along with us, and they
now have the opportunity to watch the link I just supplied,
while the rest of our cast does the same.
Speaker 2: Hint, hint, hint Ooh you mean we could interact with
our audience.
Speaker 4: I know because while I was surfing the internet, scouring
for random pieces of beauty, I uncovered quite possibly one
of the most batshit fucking things I have seen.
Speaker 5: In a while.
Speaker 4: And anybody who knows my movie watch history knows that
is a goddamn statement. I have Miami Connection in DVD
on my fucking shelf right now.
Speaker 2: Nice it always go keep that handy, Oh always always?
Speaker 4: So has everybody found the YouTube link in the riverside chant?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, So I am going to just vamp
a little bit for while they talk smash cut too.
Speaker 5: We've all watched the trailer.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 4: It's not actually a trailer. It's an opening. It's an
opening to The Monsters Squad. Now, if you like me,
have seen the show, the movie The Monster Squad a
both entertaining and incredibly problematics from the eighties. I don't
know how recently you've gone back and rewatched it, but
buckle up. And in which the Dracula throws dynamite into
a car. I feel like if you if you remember
nothing else from that movie, you probably have that image.
Speaker 2: So but I think it's important. The takeaway of that
movie is like all the classic months is the real
Months is off? Firteen year old boys.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Also, don't fuck with Dracula.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't fuck with Rudy.
Speaker 3: That kid'll make you like that kid a gun. He
just does the prom shooting people.
Speaker 2: Dracula takes no shit.
Speaker 4: Dracula has had enough in the moments Squad, maybe Dracula
is motherfucking done out of it.
Speaker 2: I also have to say, and the trailer you just
sprung on this stag Drick. There was lots of like, oh,
these are the fun classic monsters. But also Dracula looked
like he was not taking any shit in that. Yeah,
this is a very angry man.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the Monster Squad TV show, the trailer you
just sent us from ninteen seventy six. This is what
inspired Shane Black to do the movie because this is
tickling a memory.
Speaker 4: I mean, I have no idea what the connection might be.
But so for the folks at home who have not gone,
we'll probably include a link to this in the actual
show notes. But if you're just listening and you don't
have the time for it, it's a it's a minute
long to a TV intro called The Monster Squad in
which a guy named Walt Wally one of those you
guys just watched it, and a nerd, a very generic nerd,
Walt Freddie Fred Grandy. As Walt goes into a wax
museum turns on his crime computer, the waves from which
wake up the wax displays of several monsters, who then
commit themselves to acts of goodness in order to rehabilitate
their reputations and right the wrongs that, if we're being technical,
they didn't perpetrate the creatures that they were modeled from.
Speaker 6: Me.
Speaker 2: So now I've got a fight crime and I'm slightly
familiar with this true, but I never watched the trailer,
and to be honest, that Dracula did not like he
was about to do good deeds. He looked like he
was about to snap some gus.
Speaker 4: I know, truly, Like even in the I just found
a frame as I was trying to check, and it
looks like they photoshopped a gun out of his hands,
holding his hands in a way that it looks like
there was a gun there that someone just very cheaply
cropped out.
Speaker 2: You did not fuck around with Dracula. I mean, they
don't bulletproof. You can turn into bats. But he's still like,
oh yeah, I could have a gun as well and dynamite.
Fuck you. Like Dracula, I have very little patience.
Speaker 5: Dracula is fully done with everybody's bullshit.
Speaker 7: Yeah did Fred Grandy go from this to love Boat?
Because he was gopher?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 5: Was? I think he was gopher hoosatility Uh So I
have not watched any of this.
Speaker 4: I stopped after I saw that opening, and I thought,
you know, this might be something that we could watch
together as an A and D community throughout October.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it is on Prime too, So that's where
I found it.
Speaker 2: Was on Prime.
Speaker 5: I was just hunting for stuff.
Speaker 4: It suggested it to me, which feels both like an
attack and incredibly incycled.
Speaker 6: But the fact that this was this has been around
for like, you know, for for fifty years and I'm
just caring about it now tells me that somebody made
a concentrated effort to bury this so that humanity would
not suffer it is.
Speaker 5: It looks bad.
Speaker 4: If you are listening to this podcast, I really urge
you to go click on this link. In the show
notes words that cannot capture the madness of this.
Speaker 2: I've seen people who just kind of look like that
wolfman guy.
Speaker 7: I want to know everybody's opinion on what is that
toilet paper melty monster toward the end? Is that supposed
to be like a yetti or a there's.
Speaker 3: Probably a mummy? Oh that guy?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 3: Oh that guy. Yeah, it's kind of like I thought.
Speaker 2: I thought it was like the Wolfman covered incum. Yeah, obviously, Yeah,
I'm sorry heavily, but it is the Wolfman coveting cum. No,
it might be the man covered.
Speaker 4: It might also be a yetti, maybe a YETI is
a wolf man covered?
Speaker 5: And come? Maybe we solved this mystery, solved it, I.
Speaker 2: Think, So we don't know what a superpowers eva, Like,
we know Dracula has a gun, we know Frankistein is
probably super strong. Maybe the wolf min is just super
good at jacking people up. You know, that'll be a
great episode, like titled Werewolf.
Speaker 7: Here's some tissue for you.
Speaker 2: Immediately quit this podcast and going right, bou cocky wolf right,
come back when you have a million dollars and then
we'll tour. Steve Zinsky, I got an idea for me.
I don't care. It's free, am get up, Yeah, Steve, Steve,
you know that new movie.
Speaker 8: That's the sound of a wolf, knock it off? Dracula
in human speeds. So what's everybody else watch? I don't
want to watch anything else. There's only monsters.
Speaker 2: We could end the episode there, right, cut this on
and put it to the end. We'll see your next Halloween.
Speaker 7: Honestly, there have been some great trailers that I have
not gone out and seen yet, like Weapons Weapons.
Speaker 5: I didn't love the last act. If I'm being honest,
it was good, but not I have not seen.
Speaker 3: I just I just watched the Think the movie that
got made before that, Barbarians, and I was kind of
let down.
Speaker 2: I wasn't a fan of barbarians. I did like weapons,
but I can see your take on the last act, Drew.
I like the fact that just when lost, it's just
like a you know, well, I don't want to write
a proper ending, let's just let's just go mental full no.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I liked that part.
Speaker 5: The ending ending I liked just sort of like the.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be as vague as possible the review
do the the main last perspective switch From that point,
it's kind of like, ah, okay, well this is a
little boring and a lot of time spent on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and a bit on the nose, but
it did have a satisfying conclusion. Spoiler of that an
old lady gets beaten to death by a bunch of kids.
So if you haven't seen it, scientifically speaking, spoilers don't
actually decrease your enjoyment of the happening. I only just
wetted your appetite to see an old lady get torn
apart by a bunch of preschoolers.
Speaker 3: Kids attack a lady. Emily, He's like, nightmare.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 7: You know, I want to know, like what age range
means old?
Speaker 2: Very old? Okay, very old?
Speaker 5: Immediately and obviously old put it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if we're still doing A and D in
like thirty years, then.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 5: The Monkey was pretty good for Gore. I I don't
know if anybody has seen that one.
Speaker 2: The Monkey was hilarious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very like, very bloody, very fun.
Speaker 6: Like the first two minutes of that movie, I didn't
know what to expect, and then like two minutes later,
I'm like, I can watch this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it was so odds and the characters
in it and the actors, and it was so great,
And there were just little parts like at one point
the Kait just really seriously, dramatically says, nearly into the camera,
we need to make like a tree and leave. For
no reason. I love this movie.
Speaker 6: Spoiler to see that had me cracking up. A pool
gets electrified. Some some woman dives into the pool and
for some reason explodes.
Speaker 2: Get explodes. It's the same she hits the wall.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's electricity, man, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Believe that's how Yeah. I'm not a scientist.
Speaker 3: I have not watched The Monkey.
Speaker 7: I don't know The Monkey either. It had to have
chim Is it a chimpanzee related story?
Speaker 5: Stephen Kingwin, there's a toy monkey that one wound up
kills people. Okay, that's that's pretty much all you need.
Speaker 2: The guy from Community is in the opening scene just
emptying a flamethrower at this monkey and screaming. I'm like,
that's a tone setter. I mean, I'm invested. Oh not Community, Sorry,
Parks and Reck.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say it like it was.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know, man, I'm okay, what about the
movie him the.
Speaker 5: Movie Kim, Well, I don't know that one. I don't
think Oh that's the one.
Speaker 3: That's the football movie right with the torture is kind
of like a yeah, it's between Saul meets Highlander of football.
Speaker 2: I've heard it's good. But you're being very current here, Emily.
Speaker 7: That's only just the Key and Peel guy.
Speaker 3: What's his name, Jordan Peterson Christy Peel.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe cut that one.
Speaker 2: Famous guy who could definitely look like a black football
style Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 3: No, Michael Jordan Peel, Michael B. Jordan Peele.
Speaker 7: I really like the horror movies that he puts out.
Speaker 2: He's very good.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I love to it was it was
very like creepy and atmospheric.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, there's a show that I've been watching for
a couple of years now, and I get most people
don't have it because it's on MGM plus. But if
you ever get a chance, like you want to watch
it or like you just get the free trial. Show
is called from Have you anybody else besides me watched
the show?
Speaker 2: I haven't watched it yet, but I've had a good thing.
Speaker 5: Never heard of it?
Speaker 3: Okay, So it is from this a couple of the
writers who worked on Lost, and like they wanted to
actually like do it right. So it is a it's
it follows these people. You go to this place, you
get stuck in this town. You try to leave the town.
He coming back to the town. You can drive it
in opposite direction, you'll end up back in this town.
Once you're there, you're stuck there and the things come
out at night to try to kill you.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And it is a creepy as shit, atmospheric character driven
show that is really really good. So it's all the
MGM plus I are just the third season just finished.
It gets creepier and creepier.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, they kill characters that you like. Harold Parano
is like he's the anchor of the show and he's
like he's he's the local sheriff Boyd and it's like, wow,
it is you really you want to see a really
good show that's a like long form storytelling with that's
this creepiest ship, like the kind of that horror suspense
from Highly Recommended.
Speaker 7: I don't want to give anybody a stroke, but I
have watched that and I really liked it.
Speaker 3: Oh that's wow, So like so you agree with me,
then that is all. Yeah, it's jumped up to one
of my all time favorite shows, like it is so
well done. Yeah, and because it's like they say, they
only had like a five year plan to do it,
so it's like I like that. They like they're going
to start season four, they know the plan. It's not
going to keep going and going and going, and it
gets no, they have an ending in site. They're aiming
for that ending, so at ending in thousand percent.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it irritates me that it's a good show and
it's on a streaming service that I would not you know, go.
Speaker 3: Well, it's yeah, it's one of those things. It's so
good that like that's what carries the damn Street. Now
there are other good shows on that streaming services as
I've discovered, but it is that's the show that like
gets you to sign up for.
Speaker 5: That's the stranger things.
Speaker 3: But it's one of those like it's if you go,
if you go through Prime, you can get MGM plus
and a MC plus together for like twelve bucks a month.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 2: Gibbee they say they've got an ending in sight. But
it gets really really popular, and that money stuff.
Speaker 3: It's on MGM plus. It's never gonna get really popular.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a built in safety valve on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned that. I was like that still exists.
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of like you think, like people love
Breaking Bad. For example, Breaking Bad did not get popular
when Breaking Bad was on. Breaking Bad got popular after
a kind of the DVD market and Netflix because it
was one of the if you go back and look
at the numbers, it was on AMC like on one
of these upper channels. It wasn't on a major network,
so it had like these three hundred and four hundred
thousand and seven nine hundred thousand views as opposed like
the millions that like sitcoms got. So it was actually
far le far less known than people remember it. It
just got really popular afterwards when Netflix did DVD rentals.
Speaker 5: Didn't also get a lot of critical love while it was.
Speaker 3: Running, well it did.
Speaker 2: That was the thing.
Speaker 3: Is like, so every year that I had got more
critical love, it got more eyes on and it's like,
isn't the guy from Malcolm in the Middle that the
funny dad? Why should I watch that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: It's one of those things. During the time of the
there was the hype was raising, but people didn't give
it the chance while it was on. It found legs
after pretty much almost as was almost over, So.
Speaker 5: I got you I will throw out.
Speaker 4: On the lighter side of Halloween, there's a new one
on Netflix called Haunted Hotel.
Speaker 5: That's really finished it yesterday, Yeah, ten episodes. Forte.
Speaker 4: If anybody else has been missing The Great North as
I have, as we wait to see if it's going
to get probably canceled.
Speaker 5: It's not quite the same, but it scratches a similar it.
She got the that Will Forte voice carried me through.
Speaker 3: See that's Will Forte is like the guy like helps
me the least because I like Ugh, I find him
cloaningly annoying, and.
Speaker 4: I think he's good in the right characters. They've started
in purposefully annoying characters and it works a lot better, right,
But this.
Speaker 3: Show really scratched that. It also has something what was
that a weird show that the kid I'll come back
to me like that. I'm trying to there's some weird
cartoon that was kind of like, well they like kind
of a mystery spot location cartoon. But it's it's it's horror,
it's funny, it's it's really cool, great acting, great monsters, uh,
and just really really well done overall.
Speaker 5: Yeah, big gravity Falls.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, they kind of gave me like a slightly
more adult version of Gravity Falls, but without crossing into
adult territory.
Speaker 5: Yes, very It's very fun. It's also like a little
more bloody and a little more Netflix.
Speaker 3: You got Jimmy Simpson playing Abdon like the demon stuck
in the Boy from the nineteen hundreds and anytime Jimmy Simpson,
He's just so good at being that weirdo and I
really enjoy that that character.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, the the trailer quote unquote they have
for it is literally just the opening scene of the pilot,
which kind of tells you how confident they were in
their establishing act. And it is a great trailer, like,
it's a good ass show, very fun.
Speaker 3: Very much so. Obviously the other shows like you Know It,
don't accounts so much as horror, but like the remake
of Interview the Vampire, I've enjoyed both of those seasons
recently because I guess they do get bloody to get nasty,
you know, and you really they dive into the horror
aspects of.
Speaker 2: The books.
Speaker 3: And I've really enjoyed this this retelling, slightly slightly modernized
version of it, but it's really really good.
Speaker 2: Alien Earth just finished up there season.
Speaker 3: I've only made it to him three or four. I'm
having a hard time. It looks I'm really not into
any of the characters like at all.
Speaker 6: You know something, I would watch it for Timothy Oliphant that.
Speaker 2: He was great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, I love him.
Speaker 3: He's like the only person I like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like I like. I very much enjoyed it.
Speaker 6: And that's the thing is all the characters are meant
to be unlikable, but somehow, somehow, his care is just
somehow makes manages to make him super likable even though
he's unlikable.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The problem with it is it's always been quite hard
to expand the Alien franchise in a way that's fun.
And they do that, and they do it, they expand it,
and they've got cyborgs and they've got the simps and
different kinds of Simps and different kind of aliens. Is great,
but there's so much handwaving and kind of just lazy bits.
I'm like, and I don't even regard it as mistakes.
It's like you made a choice here. You could have
spent five minutes when he's fantastic actors getting an actual
writer to write something fucking brilliant, but you were just
kind of like, no, what we really need now is
to smash cut to Lincoln Park. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It really is about like an island full of people
who are just, for some reason, all out to get
each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just by the end of the season, it's like,
you know what, I've had enough of being good. I'm
going to be evil now. Why because something needed to happen.
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed what I've seen to a degree. I like
how it looks. I like the retrofugure tech style. I
like that it kind of I mean lates the seventies,
the ninety seventy nine movies look and feel, and I
really enjoy everything that the cinematography is all on point
one hundred percent, But when you actually get to the
actual alien of one of many, like, it's I don't
like when the alien is turned into like a slasher.
It's not That's not what the alien is. It is
a reproduction machine. It takes away to an agency. It
uses you to gestate. It wants to keep you alive
until it's time to make new alien babies. So when
they turned into a slasher monster, it's not fun that way.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to have a thing. Yeah, and they've just
the sunlight. It's not that.
Speaker 3: It's just a guy and I sue a big head.
Speaker 2: You know, So yeah, I was actually gonna say that
that's like that.
Speaker 6: That is the one thing about it I don't like
is it's like, okay, you know all the movie has
always been very consistinct about showing the alien always in
shadows and darkness and stuff. And yeah, it's and the
fact that they are using like you know, they are
using a combination of CJA and suitmation. You can really
see the suit mation when when it's standing out there
in broad daylight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could always like in every other movie
there's being where there's being a xenomorph, it's like you
can kill a xenomorph, it can be killed. And this
one it's just like a fucking tank. It's like it's
mowing through entire platoons of marines of automatic weapons, and like, no,
that's not how the alien works. And if there's something
different about this particular alien, you need to tell me
that in the fucking dialogue. So I know, I'm not
doing your heavy lifting for you. I've got my own
shit to deal with.
Speaker 6: Right as of alien f maybe they're taking a cue
from that game Alien Isolation, where what you do the
alien is just somehow unkillable. Well, they need to tell
me that. That's it needs to be explained.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a game I did not like for that simple fact.
Speaker 3: Well it's one of those like I was. It's like
when people talk about the Predator just because against alien
and Predator at that moment, Like I I liked that
last movie that came out the the on the anthology
like animation ones like three or four short stories about
different times the Predator has come to Earth and like
Viking times, in feudal Japan times and World War two
times and I thought I found that to be a
really incredible show because I really like that animation style
and the storytelling, et cetera. However, some of the complaints
people like I hated that the people like all these
people beat the Predator and beat the Predator, beat the Predator,
Like you do realize that the Predator is like, oh
for thirteen, right, He's never won against any movies. Every
time the Predator comes up against people, and like in
one of our movies, he always loses. He's never the
winner in any of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the whole thing. Like with the Borg, you
show you show him Hunster enough times, it loses it.
Speaker 3: Right, well, I mean with Predators sort lost it lost
sworts and lost dandy glue. It lost to Adrian Brody.
Speaker 2: You know, the Predator is also like traveling across the
universe to hunt prey, so it doesn't have a proper job.
This is the lazy millionaire class of the Predator alien.
Oh gosh, it's international or intergalectic.
Speaker 5: Bum fights the equivalents of dentists killing.
Speaker 3: The lion.
Speaker 2: You want to see some vikings getting fucked up, you
send out the Predator equivalent of a bombing you just
put him over there, he'll find you.
Speaker 3: Jump into star Trek. Like, how did how did the
different how did the Klingons even had get spaceflight? They're
just fighting constantly, like your algorithms are wrong, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: They explain that they were subdued by a superior race
with superior technology, and the Klingos eventually wiped out. I
was like, hang on, we can probably just choke these
guys out, and they did and took all the technology.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they start to learn how to fix it.
I don't. I again, there's a handway, like if.
Speaker 2: You punch it hard enough, it'll be fixed.
Speaker 4: Oh goddamn.
Speaker 3: The mood level of.
Speaker 2: Being subdued by these nerds. Wait a minute, these nerds
have no upper body strength. Elbow drop. Nice spaceship nerd,
thank you. That's how the Klingons came about.
Speaker 3: But that's the reason I'm looking forward to the next
movie was A Predator bad Lands, because you know it's
the Predator is the hero of that one. It's going
up against bigger monsters and they have like the robot
girl to talk English at the audience so we understand
what's going on. So I'm really looking forward to that flick.
Speaker 2: I don't like the way the predator looks. It looks weird.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and apparently it's it's like a young nerd predator
who just sucks it. Yeah, Bill and has son.
Speaker 2: Dad. I don't want to hunt z Nivore. I want
to play my music. I want to write bad poetry. Yeah,
bas what about my art? I want to see a
least five minutes for this predator setting into his room
listening to Lincoln Park smash cut to Lincoln.
Speaker 3: Exactly one foot up. But it's the new Lincoln Park too.
It's for the lead that ladies singer. It's like I said,
it's the old classics.
Speaker 2: It's classics. Now, what a dick?
Speaker 3: What else do you do? Always watching? Because I do
actually enjoy like creep I prefer creepier shows over movies
all the time because I like the long form telling
as supposed that, because like it's like a midnight mass
or yeah.
Speaker 2: Dark knights are coming in. I'm in the mood for
like sitting down and watching something. Also, I might be
employed soon, so I'm gonna be watching a lot of shit.
I want some nice, cozy, autumnal spooky ship to watch.
Speaker 6: It depends on sometimes Yeah, I do want something like,
you know, like long form and spooky, but I also
find myself going to linking Amazon Prime Video and just seeing, like,
you know, being like, Okay, this is shitty horror.
Speaker 2: I'm in a mood for this.
Speaker 4: I feel like movie horror works better for me, just
because it's a little more content contained. In the same
way that light is the enemy of horror, I feel
like over extension can be too. You know, you can
only be afraid of one thing so much before it's overexposed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be pretty damn good to do
a horror series, like to make Flannagan stuff, even Nasay
and miss and he's probably the best of what he does.
Speaker 3: I would say like like when you do like The
Midnight Club or Midnight Mask, you know, like as long
as you keep it like to seven or eight episodes
or something like that, then Or was the one you
do with the Never More the Raven, Oh, bloody Hell,
the Fall, the House of Usher?
Speaker 2: You know, the House on Holy Hill was consistently creepy.
That was well done.
Speaker 3: That's weirdly enough, that's the one I missed.
Speaker 2: So oh that was like the fast one right right?
That was good.
Speaker 7: I used to be a big fan of an American
horror story show.
Speaker 6: Me too.
Speaker 4: I think anthology naturally works a little better for horror
because it does you know, it circuments that issue. You're
not overexposing, you do it, you cut off. I mean,
Black Mirror is probably the most successful horror show.
Speaker 3: I'm real hit like, I love the early British stuff,
and once he got real American eye like, it stopped
being nearly as as good in my opinion. But that's
that's just me, you know. I found the first few
seasons that were like the English ones, like we're way
more disturbing, way more thought provoking, way more like ugh,
that's not I need to take a shower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they had a platform change show. It's less
about I guess it's less about being americanized and more
about being more generalized, like we don't want to A level.
Speaker 7: Of horror in the stories was not consistent.
Speaker 3: Well when by the time, no fense, no slight against
Bryce Dallas Howard, but once she's running around like oh
I can't get lakes from my tweets, from my Instagram
videos and everybody hates me, like I don't care. That's
not nearly as bad as the guys had to fuck
a pig on television. You know that's that's.
Speaker 2: Speaking in a man who has being in both situations.
Speaker 3: Or the one where the guy because you can rewind
memories and rewatch it and learns that like you know,
his kid's not his kid, you know, like you know,
these disturbing these uses of technology to find out we're
still flawed human beings.
Speaker 2: If you one straight level bleakness, Black mart sounds good,
but it's like there's so many any bradish dramas are
just like, what is the most depressing thing that can
happen these blameless, normal people. Let's make six episodes of
that really get some people to fucking kill themselves. And
that was part of the Black Mirror experience. But as
soon as they went kind of generalized, was that we
probably can't do that because our audience isn't all English.
They're not gonna they're not gonna vibe with this depressing
bullshit as much, and it became less depressing.
Speaker 3: I also, when you mix horror in comedy, like something
like the Santa Clarita Diet and things like that, where
it's like they take their humor and but keep the Gore.
Speaker 2: I always makes holes with comedy, giving us anyway I
get l I can't.
Speaker 3: That's how I say it. Horror horror, horror horror, what
are you Scottish Eldridge holes from beyond the Veil.
Speaker 6: But no, you gotta like when horror comedy works, it does,
but then you have other horror comedy like Original The Vampire, which.
Speaker 2: Which is clear not as good as the equivalent that's
already out there. You feeving best. It's I mean the
three episodes, isn't there.
Speaker 3: I tried to watch that. I couldn't get through it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say, Ricky, I would say they begged the
wrong vampire. It's hard for me to talk about that
because if it sounds like I'm shitting on it. But
it just wasn't. Also, it also just wasn't good.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I watched the first few minutes. I
wasn't really that into it, you know, it was just
I thought it would be, but I wasn't.
Speaker 2: Horror comedy is quite hard to do consistently well, but
there are great examples out there. Buffy. I mean that
went for like a million years. That was horror comedy.
They I'm always very grateful They'm actually get a couple
of seasons of The Evil Dead show that was amazing
because they really did not they did not give a
fuck at all, and it was beautiful because of it.
Speaker 3: There's things like Stranger Things, like I liked the beginning,
I don't like it. The longer it's going on, the
less I care.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one, that one suffered a lot from just
the simple act of not finishing it when they probably
they could and should have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, like it' start getting weird and
weird because it was when it was Steven spielberg S
small town et meets you know, Stephen King like type things.
But when they're trying to like, now, let's shore how
we care about these kids, Like, no, just go back
to trying to murder the kids, you know, murder the
kids in a weird.
Speaker 2: They've run out of things for those to do. But
the setup has really still got a lot of potential
because I went to see the stage show of Stranger
Things and it's a prequel and it's a fucking really
good idea because it's in the fifties, so it's even
more amenable to that kind of Stephen King thing. It's
got characters from the show, but they're insulated enough from
supernatural stuff that you kind of get that they don't
carry that over to their their eighties knowledge. But it's
got the basically the origin of that the big bad
guy when he's a kid, and it works. It's great. Yeah,
but I think what we're seeing from Strange Things in
a minute is kind of you kind of already said
everything you need to say. And also all of your
teenagers now look like the FA six basically they are.
Speaker 4: I mean, can we what is the deal with the
timeframe on that? Like they they knew they were working
with child actors, that the show has been successful for
a while now. It's not like they were, you know,
grasping between seasons to make sure their shit all came together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: I think season one and two came relatively quick together
because one was done and they are they already do
that as success before to having some season two. But
then they had to wait and then like and then
they'd go into production like months after the season ended,
then production to these of this, these are this, these
are this, and then like now the show's out now
it's two and a half years later.
Speaker 4: Every other show can do it in a year. I
think that's that's how the fucking.
Speaker 2: Muddel we used to do like twenty two episodes of shit,
So we're.
Speaker 5: Really special about Stranger Things?
Speaker 4: Is shooting special that they're eight episodes take two and
a half goddamn year.
Speaker 2: All right, it's premium television. But what they should have
said is like, oh, Stranger Things was enormously success. We're
all rich, and because we're on in Hollywood, we live
in a castle of childbones. Let's just film fucking thirty
episodes of this and release it for the next five years.
Why didn't they do that?
Speaker 5: I got God only knows.
Speaker 2: They don't have to be current, They don't have to
reflect real world events, probably.
Speaker 7: Because kids only can only workley however many hours, well
that is.
Speaker 3: Once the arficer agicually works so many hours per day.
But I think we also have a situation where you
have unexpected success, meaning you know, when you watch The Matrix,
the first Matrix movie is really good for especially for
its time, and then this one's like, hey, this is
a hit, can you give us more? And the Wakowskis
were like, no, well, here's a buttload of money. We'll
make it two more and then you get the story
that wasn't really meant to be.
Speaker 2: It was telling, but think about it, Stranger Things came out.
It instantly changed the landscape. Everybody is chumping a bit
for Stranger Things too. They should have went like, okay,
let's script and shoot Stranger Things three, four, and five.
I just get it fucking done like they put it.
Speaker 3: They shot their shot, blew their wad on one, and
then they're like, oh crap, they would have got to
do We got to make other stuff happen for two
because and then three, and it always seems to the
same thing. We're all gonna we're gonna spin our wheels
because two was basically a copy of one. The kid
went away.
Speaker 2: If you're trying to tell me it took them so
long between episodes because they got tied up with the writing,
I'm going to have to say, maybe just get in
any other right, just get a fucking Buffy staff ryer.
It's like, we need twenty two episodes of this Buffy
staff ryer. How long is it going to take? Three days?
Speaker 3: I well, I think it's written by the guys who
directed it. Was it the same guys? Who like the
Duffer brothers. Aren't they like the same once who write
and direct everything?
Speaker 2: So yeah, well maybe they need to take that ditch.
Speaker 5: Out in that episodes over two and a half. Yes,
if that's your job.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, I can write a episodes. It's going
to take me ten years. The duff aboves to have said.
You know what you have said literally anyone.
Speaker 6: And the thing is streaming streaming seasons. We don't follow
the same cadence. You're just changing the d Okay, we haven't. Okay,
we have an episode to catch up to everybody that didn't.
Look at the end, bad things happen. Then it like
you know so and so then things get better. Oh
then things get to get worse than we moved. There's
only so much episodes. What they should have done was like, hey,
do you know if the writing team for Big Wolf
on Campus is still around? Oh my, I can just
incorporate those guys.
Speaker 4: Age of everyone bringing back everything?
Speaker 5: Where is my fucking Big Wolf on Campus reboot?
Speaker 2: That was so ready for a reboot? They did so
much with a fifty dollars budget.
Speaker 5: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I man, if they announce a Big Wolf on
Campus reboot, I will be at the theater's opening day.
I know it's a fucking TV show. I will rent
a theater and play it on a goddamn big screen.
Speaker 3: I just had to google the seven Canadian Television seven seasons.
What am I missing?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: You were around when we did Big Wolf on Campus?
Speaker 2: No, dude, If a bunch of half deforusted Canucks can
do fucking Big Wolf on campus in three days, they
could have got them in for Stranger Things. I pay
him a livid styllary and not Canadian minimum wage. I
got fucking hundred episodes of Stranger Things.
Speaker 4: All right, we're on the Halloween episode. We can do
a Big Wolf on campus diatribe for Gibbon, the newer
folks who weren't here when we did it for I
think at the movies or something.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a magical season.
Speaker 5: Indeed, it's sort of like what if Teenwolf was a
light hearted comedy?
Speaker 3: Was a lighthearted comedy with tits.
Speaker 5: Less less sex, molly eyed.
Speaker 4: So there's a The main character is Tommy Martin Merton,
no Tommy Burton, and anyway he gets he's a werewolf.
Starting in the first episode, he makes friends with a
nerd named Merton Dingle.
Speaker 2: A satan is not allowed to say Satanist.
Speaker 4: Whose nickname might as well be exposition who exists to
know all of the the ins and outs of the
Supernatural because he's a giant goth nerd and so integral
to the series that when we checked I am in dB,
he's in every single episode and Tommy himself is not
in every single yet, got it?
Speaker 2: One of them's important. One of them is just a
were wolf.
Speaker 4: Yes, And but the real funny thing of a as
Steve mentioned, it's a Canadian series. They had no fucking money,
and so the con the consequence of that is it
actually ends up being super creative in terms of the
monsters because they had to shoot around the fact that
they couldn't afford big, cool fight scenes or awesome transformations.
So they have like a bookmobile that like, uh, scans
people's hands and stores them in books.
Speaker 5: Oh god, what else did they have? Jesus? They had
one werewolf, but the werewolf makeup was let's say, asthetic
more than scary.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, but yeah, oh god, I fucking loved that
show as a kid, And now I.
Speaker 2: Just typed into chat GBT. Why to no more episodes?
Of Big Wolfunk Camp ended after free seasons of sixty
five episodes, so stranger things can absolutely get fucked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at I'm looking at your garret, your character,
your was Durkin Mertin, Dingle, Merton, j Dingle, Jesus Christs,
actors named Danny's but who is now.
Speaker 4: Fifty one years old, so it sounds like he should
be the older guy. It writes itself, Big Campus people
reach out to us.
Speaker 2: We'll do free moll season sixty five episodes.
Speaker 5: Steve wrote a fucking movie, Like what was that?
Speaker 4: Was that show?
Speaker 3: Like the even the teen Will Show that was like
remake on MTV was actually kind of good like that
that that dark little like CW, like you know, Wolf's
running around doing stuff like that?
Speaker 2: Wasn't a bad show, No, Big Wilf on Compass.
Speaker 7: Sometimes a story is just a story. It is played out.
Don't play anymore, you know what I mean. It's like
the same argument of overexposure of a of a monster
in a movie. We've seen too much. It's not scary anymore,
and you can't just like add a xenomorph and add
a nuclear bomb to a xenomorph to make it scary.
Do you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just stop, I mean you say that.
Speaker 4: But in all fairness, if there is a movie where
they said, shit, the xenomorphe presant, now, I would kind
of I kind.
Speaker 5: Of be fucking in.
Speaker 2: I think we've solved a xenomorph problem and then this
is like a radio cool it's oh shit, the president
of Zenobulfia now has nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3: Well, it's also a situation like when you say like
certain things, certain tropes, even like if there is a
show I could take something like The Walking Dead or
any zombie show or anything like when there's the persistent monster.
But the longer it goes on, it's just a matter
like the real man, the real monster's man. No, Nope,
I don't like that. I hate that. I hate that
so much. I know the real monster is the zombie.
The real master is the Werewell no, no, and stop
saying the real monster's man. I we're trying to survive.
Please stop doing this trope. You can die in a fire.
I'm done with that. I am so done with that trope. No,
the real monster is the zombie, and that's what should
make it scary.
Speaker 2: Not every month needs a redemption arc. Oh, just like
As soon as I said it's like, well, maybe mankind
is the real monster. I feel like pausing and say, well,
why the fuck am I watching you?
Speaker 3: Then movie exactly, I go like, actually, you know what,
give me the zombies perspective. It's like where they're having
to use utopia of just brain eating and these pesky
humans come along they are the monster. So yeah, film
that filming the perspective of the zombies having a great.
Speaker 2: Zombie s The only thing I've learned. When the white
hippie chick in your Zombie Survival, Snyer says, maybe where
the monsters, you instantly pick her up and throw off
the fucking.
Speaker 3: Right out there, throw her petul the ass right out
the veins and monsters.
Speaker 2: Now, hippie, maybe.
Speaker 3: We just learned to speak zombie, we'd understand that they
want piece. Nope, get out. Oh yeah, but they ain't
a day, not today, Juniper, get out of my van.
Speaker 2: So fucking food chain. Stephanie moon Beam, you bitch. Yeah,
but anyway, none of this attracts from the point that
we got sixty five episodes.
Speaker 4: Cool from campus, Oh god, Okay, So transitioning to Halloween itself,
anybody have their costume picked out fun ideas for the
season ahead, things they're excited about for Halloween overall.
Speaker 5: Also, I'm gonna have to dip in like Ted, I
don't do it. Any of this moved.
Speaker 3: So this will be our first Halloween and a new
Our old house never got anybody because it was a
could a sac kind of thing. In the country houses.
Everybody is like eight or acre and a half. It's like,
you know, never no houses. Now we're actually neighborhoods, so
we don't know if that people can actually come to
our house with this Halloween. So this is gonna be
a real test. Uh So, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I no longer have to do costumes or candy because
my kids are grown up and I now live in
like an older folks neighborhood. But my Halloween tree and
decorations went up in September.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, I've got some up as well.
Speaker 3: So are you're the young person that you can go
around on Trick Street?
Speaker 7: Yeah right, give me your credit card.
Speaker 3: That's extortion. Don't do that, that's back.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going to do. It's been
a time moves really fucking quickly, and this year is
just gone by the time I even stopped thinking about
a shale be Christmas, I'm probably just gonna put a
pumpkin full of candy bars at the bottom of mypone
and building.
Speaker 7: Have you had a pumpkin flavored beer?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know what, Emily, I am kind of kind of
moving away from the stupid flavored beers market and just
getting back into cold, refreshing Kirkland light.
Speaker 5: Oh shit, Bob joined the car.
Speaker 2: I have been summoned there.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: This this is actually the first Halloween I think since
Aida hit New Jersey that we've we've put some effort
into decorating.
Speaker 5: Used to a haunted house, didn't you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we used to do a hantouse in the basement.
We used to do a lot of things. The haunted
house is like, it was a lot of work and
it was really really expensive to do, and it was
for the kids. So the kids are too old old
for that. But this year that we finally went out
and did a lot of decoration, decorating for the for
the front yard. So you know, it kind of kind
of feels like getting.
Speaker 2: Back to it.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 2: You say your kids are too old, toy, but I
reckon you can say, like, we're not doing it for
Halloween this year, guys, and then just wait till they
come back to the house from some other event and
then just kick open the door with a chainsaw and
a hockey mask. Really get halleen it.
Speaker 6: But there's also it's also that thing of like, okay,
you're old enough to help and you're not going to
It's a lot. It's a lot of fun, like you know,
turning turning might be sent into like you know this
this twisty turning haunting haunting the he's that's usually about
a month's worth of work.
Speaker 5: Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now my son is he's coming up on fort He's thirteen,
turns fourteen in December, so he's at that age where
apathy is more like he's like I don't like anything
that you like, so like, yeah, just leave me alone,
let me let me sit, let me play my games
and smell bad.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel with my kids have gone. If
I really want to freak them mouth Halloween, I'm going
to be surprise kids. I've got you a job.
Speaker 3: Responsibility.
Speaker 2: Welcome to minimum Way.
Speaker 4: Gibby on the things we have might have covered before.
Have were you here the last time I told the
story of my dad and the vampire Mannequin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a creative I don't think I have actually,
I mean, I've been around for a couple of years,
but I don't recall this story.
Speaker 5: It only it only comes up around Halloween.
Speaker 4: So my dad bought a mannikin Okay, well before this
story takes place.
Speaker 3: But did you watch the movie? I think good things
were going to happen? Did your dad need help?
Speaker 5: Here's the thing?
Speaker 3: Did you watch Mannican two?
Speaker 4: I have a whole blog post about how my dad
is the most impartial rating scale from movies I've ever
found because he will fall the fuck asleep immediately as
soon as he gets board, so truly, like the only
movies that keep his attention all the way through are
like earlier. So there's like most frenetic or interesting things
that like, if you drop for a second, you lose
my dad. So I can almost assure you he might
have seen Mannequin, but I can bet he hasn't finished.
Speaker 3: What about Mannequin two?
Speaker 5: Like I'm just saying no, definitely, no one. I haven't
fucking watched Mankin too old gasp. Okay, but so he
bought a.
Speaker 4: Manakin and for Halloween one year, he dressed it like
a vampire. He had built this coffin. He liked to
build a lot of our decorations when I was a kid,
and so he built this coffin.
Speaker 5: It was like life size.
Speaker 4: He stuck the mannequin in a Dracula outfit and a
big rubbered Tracula mask out on the porch for like
three weeks before Halloween, so like all the kids had
gotten used to it. We were all we knew it
was part of the decor. And then the day of Halloween,
he snuck the the Vanakin back inside, put the costume
on and the mask on himself, ye, and then started
and then held the candy bowl like it had been
put in the Mannikin's hands, and he went and hell
and like hung out in the coffin, which was right
in front of the door that you had to walk
past to trick or treats, and scared the living Christ
out of so many people.
Speaker 3: See, Okay, I've been wanting to do something like that
for a long time, and I appreciate that your father
did that kind of thing. Like we have this chair
next to our next to our front door. Now we
were like we're at one of those like kind of
junk kind of like junk junkie, weird whatever stores got
like how the weird home good crap, and we had
butt like you know, a welcome signed, but it was
like in a shape of a coughin like welcoming foolish molders,
mortals just let the leather errors know they're a little
bit different. But we've got to chair that.
Speaker 2: I want to do something like that.
Speaker 3: I wanted to sit there in a costume this Halloween,
but I never I know me, I would never sit long.
See somebody coming and I get too excited to scare them.
Speaker 2: So you have to commit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did something like that a couple of years,
Like we used to have this big ass like you know,
Vinyl press alien mask. I had the pretty the alien
hands and basically I dressed the rest of myself up
in like you know, just full black.
Speaker 3: But I'm but whoa, they're wrecked, not in this day
and age, you don't.
Speaker 5: But I lom.
Speaker 6: I lumped myself up. I put like you don't, like,
like like extra layers on it, so I didn't quite
look right. And I sat myself there with the boat
like in a chair with the candy on my lap,
my hands around and I just sat there stone, not moving,
and the kids would come up and you'd be like,
is I think that I think that's dummy, I think
that's you know, they'd beat I could hear them debating
it and then get they get closer and the best
The best part was one wasn't just jumping out of
the chair to scab.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: No, The best part was them reaching in the candy
and me just suddenly like moving my hand.
Speaker 2: So many of them just ran. It was great.
Speaker 4: The best part about that one is is you can
There's a chance like if you do it, if they
reach it and you touch their hand and they leap back,
there's a good chance their friends are going to think
they're fucking with them. Yeah, we moved, totally moved, which
is a thing young boys will do to each other.
Speaker 5: Just so.
Speaker 2: If there's one thing I've learnt from the Aliens Live
experience in London I went to when I was fifteen,
scared to shaowt me, is you need to plan a
kid within a group of kids who's going to come
up and then you just snap his neck.
Speaker 4: I mean not really, all right, everybody is at a
good place to wrap up our Halloween.
Speaker 2: Yet Steve snapping kids necks. Yeah, I'm a feeling in
the despair of the season.
Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, we're we're ending the way we started with images.
Speaker 3: Of child murder. And that's when good that's when good
horror movies were were good. We were trying to kill kids.
Speaker 4: Indeed, all right, everybody, thank you for joining us for
Authors in Dragon's Side Quest, where we talked about Halloween.
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