Speaker 1: You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton.
Speaker 1: Hello friends, Hello, hello everybody, and welcome back everything out there.
Speaker 1: I'm your host Steve Stockton here on the Clyde Lewis
Speaker 1: Ground zero Radio Network. Joining me tonight have a couple
Speaker 1: of paranormalists. Frequent visitor Cisco Murdoch and coming back for
Speaker 1: the second time or no accident. This is I think
Speaker 1: her third time.
Speaker 2: Lynn one day? Lynn, is this your your Is this
Speaker 2: your second or third time here?
Speaker 3: I forget third time, maybe even fourth time. I think
Speaker 3: it is the third time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm telling you it's been a few and
Speaker 1: Cisco has been here like half a dozen. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I thought i'd have these ladies in tonight. They're both paranormalists,
Speaker 1: and we'll just have a paranormal potpourri and talk about
Speaker 1: whatever's strange things are on our mind. It's uh, we're
Speaker 1: into August now, so spooky season is coming up. Nicoll
Speaker 1: already got the house decorated here. What's going on in
Speaker 1: your world's paranormal wives of Ladies?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go, oh, I was going to have you
Speaker 3: go for Cisco. I just came back from the bash.
Speaker 3: Actually this was my first time to Pennsylvania. It was
Speaker 3: my first time to the Gettysburg Bash, and it was
Speaker 3: really a great time. Between the two hotels everything they
Speaker 3: had everything connected and there were all kinds of things
Speaker 3: in both lobbies. So if ever you do get to go,
Speaker 3: make sure that you go into both hotels because they
Speaker 3: have different things going on in both, as well as
Speaker 3: the conference room and all that area back around there.
Speaker 3: But definitely don't miss out on a bus tour. I
Speaker 3: meant to take one. I'm going to take one next
Speaker 3: year when I go. But it was wonderful meeting so
Speaker 3: many people of like mind and Pam did an amazing
Speaker 3: job with the Gettysburg Bash. I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 3: get to stay in an airbnb with two other couples
Speaker 3: that were friends, and so it was nice, you know,
Speaker 3: having we we all went to dinner together and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and you know, so it was it was nice.
Speaker 3: We actually had dinner with the new paranormal group it's
Speaker 3: called Para at Para a Normal. They're just filming now
Speaker 3: their first season, so we we got pictures and stuff
Speaker 3: taken with them. And of course that Batman was there
Speaker 3: and that that Michael guy with the white thing, but
Speaker 3: it was it was a great time and I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. So that's that's one of the things that
Speaker 3: I did. I do have some things coming up. I
Speaker 3: did here to hit a deer on the way home
Speaker 3: and kind of messed up my car. I've got plans
Speaker 3: to go to Virginia for a for two paranormal events
Speaker 3: within the are weekends apart and to do both of
Speaker 3: those as well as I'm gonna be on some shows
Speaker 3: coming up, some podcasts coming up, and my Guya show
Speaker 3: is out with George Nori on Beyond Belief. It was
Speaker 3: released a couple of months ago, so it's just been.
Speaker 1: A real bit a lot of stuff going on there.
Speaker 1: What about you, Cisco, did you get to go to
Speaker 1: the brus this year?
Speaker 4: I haven't done a damn thing. Steve, she was moving.
Speaker 4: I'm just yeah. I mean, we do this every day,
Speaker 4: you know. It's it's it's amazing to be in this.
Speaker 4: There's always something we talk about it when you know,
Speaker 4: we all get together on the show. Steve's been on
Speaker 4: my show, I've been on Lynn show. Lyn's been on
Speaker 4: my shows. Lynn, Steve and I have all been on
Speaker 4: each other. It's just it's a comfortable situation because we
Speaker 4: don't have to do any preliminaries ahead of time. We
Speaker 4: all know with each other about where each other are in,
Speaker 4: if you can call it an understanding your comfortable spot.
Speaker 4: I think you know where we sit in the paranormal
Speaker 4: and every once in a while we'll bump into somebody
Speaker 4: that comes way out of left field and you know,
Speaker 4: tells you, you know, ghost are all made out of green,
Speaker 4: yellow or something, and you got to like, okay, because
Speaker 4: that's where they are. You know, there's no I don't
Speaker 4: think there's any wrong place to be in this, but
Speaker 4: there is definitely a comfort would be able to sit
Speaker 4: with people who just are open minded about you know,
Speaker 4: they don't argue about somebody's experience. You know, they don't
Speaker 4: you know, are you sure you know it had red eyes?
Speaker 4: Are you sure they weren't blue? Because mine had blue
Speaker 4: and yours can't have read because you know, that makes
Speaker 4: it all of that stuff is just gone. And I
Speaker 4: think that that's one of the things that happens too
Speaker 4: when you go to a paranormal convention or anything like that.
Speaker 4: UFO Bigfoot. You know, there's thousands of different names you
Speaker 4: could combinations, but that's the thing. I think what we
Speaker 4: also need to do is maybe at these conferences, just
Speaker 4: set out everybody in a big, you know, room where
Speaker 4: everybody can talk, nobody's more important than anybody else, and
Speaker 4: you know, stand up and say, hey, what's the most
Speaker 4: amazing thing that you've ever you know, experienced? Was it?
Speaker 4: You know it might not have been an experience for yourself,
Speaker 4: but did you read a true account of an experience
Speaker 4: that just really set you know, you in a different
Speaker 4: spot and what was it? And why? You know? Because
Speaker 4: everybody is always running around those things, and everybody at
Speaker 4: the different tables, each team or person or experiencer or
Speaker 4: whatever it may be, they have that one piece or
Speaker 4: that you know, a couple of pieces of information and
Speaker 4: it's and it really seems to be we just can't
Speaker 4: melt together somehow and get okay, this is where we
Speaker 4: are now. Steve and I try to do this all
Speaker 4: the time on Mondays, where we'll go back to like
Speaker 4: the sixties and say, well, they had the same they're
Speaker 4: talking the same conversation then as we're having now, and
Speaker 4: what have we done with fifty years? You know what
Speaker 4: I mean? But it's it doesn't really matter that we're
Speaker 4: not falling on any specific concrete answers. It's more of
Speaker 4: comfort zones, I think. And it's really nice to be
Speaker 4: in a comfort zone, a paranormal zone, I guess, comfort
Speaker 4: zone with people where you can just talk about it
Speaker 4: and they understand what you're saying and you're not worried
Speaker 4: about oh gosh, you know, the last time I told
Speaker 4: this story, forgot to mention the green sweater, And because
Speaker 4: I didn't mention the green sweater this time, they're going
Speaker 4: to think I made it up. You know, it shouldn't
Speaker 4: be like that.
Speaker 1: We all know what we saw and what we experienced
Speaker 1: and what we heard, and we all know that each
Speaker 1: other knows that, so we don't have anything to prove
Speaker 1: to one another. Yeah, because none of us are skeptics.
Speaker 1: We're all the believers. And I've had our own experiences
Speaker 1: where experiences and paranormalists, and it's just it's nice to
Speaker 1: just chat would like mind to people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye, it absolutely is. And you know the thing
Speaker 3: is too is you know, for people that are going
Speaker 3: to be listening in, this is not the one on
Speaker 3: one class. This is the advanced class. So and it's
Speaker 3: nice to have that because we can talk openly about
Speaker 3: these things. Something I did want to mention as a
Speaker 3: side note tonight is the lions Gate. It is the
Speaker 3: opening for manifestation and it is a Lion's Gate on
Speaker 3: steroids because it's mixed in with a new moon, so
Speaker 3: anybody out there, and it does kind of overshadow for
Speaker 3: a few days I think until August tenth or something
Speaker 3: like that, but like today is the biggest day. So
Speaker 3: please people, if you are not familiar with the Lionsgate,
Speaker 3: google it, find out how to manifest your dreams and
Speaker 3: definitely do that today and put it out there. So
Speaker 3: I just wanted to share that with everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. I've been reading up on that
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are talking about it, and I've
Speaker 1: been watching the moon signs because of the coming baby.
Speaker 1: Now he's four weeks and five days I think from today,
Speaker 1: but I think he's going to be here a little earlier.
Speaker 1: You got that blue moone the Sturgeon moon coming on
Speaker 1: the nineteenth. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't show up
Speaker 1: in that week but remains to be seen.
Speaker 3: I got goosebumps on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, cool, little man's coming.
Speaker 3: How only four weeks. Where did the time go?
Speaker 1: It was, like I'm telling you, we found out New
Speaker 1: Year's Day that we were expecting and just we were thinking, wow,
Speaker 1: for forty weeks, that's a long time. But here it
Speaker 1: is like four and in a couple of days, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's flown by.
Speaker 4: Tell you what a good A lot faster after they
Speaker 4: get here too.
Speaker 3: That that is so true. So is Nicole wearing your shoes? Steve?
Speaker 3: Is she what is she wearing your shoes with her
Speaker 3: pregnancy feet? You know, your feet get really but I
Speaker 3: used to have to wear my my husband's.
Speaker 1: She probably didn't want to wear my shoes, but she
Speaker 1: had to get some different, more comfortable shoes and socks too.
Speaker 1: She likes those little, uh, the low profile socks, but
Speaker 1: she she did have to borrow some of my socks.
Speaker 3: There you go, that's standard. But yeah, you know, you
Speaker 3: guys are so to me. I'm in all both of you.
Speaker 3: You're very you're amazing, your you're good people, and you've
Speaker 3: had so much even more experience, much longer than even
Speaker 3: I have had in the field. And I I just
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I just love hearing you know some
Speaker 3: of your stories and things like that that you share
Speaker 3: and you know, it's just going.
Speaker 1: I figured out that between the both of us, we've
Speaker 1: got over one hundred years experience in this and that's
Speaker 1: no bullshit. That's that's the true experiencing when I was
Speaker 1: in the single digits and Cisco did too. I'll be
Speaker 1: sixty one this year, so there you go. That's probably
Speaker 1: closer to what one hundred and fifty or no, not
Speaker 1: that much, one hundred and ten years or something.
Speaker 4: Like that, but a little closer. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 4: People always get It's not that I'm sorry, honey, I
Speaker 4: just want to say this too. People always try to
Speaker 4: get us all the times. How the hell can you
Speaker 4: remember something from when you're two or three? And I'm like, look,
Speaker 4: I bet you you remember flashes too. Now if you
Speaker 4: have closed moments like that finding moment, it's profound, like
Speaker 4: you remember when you know mine, I think I remembered
Speaker 4: the most because there was so many teenage girls screaming
Speaker 4: around me, you know, and my mom because the whole
Speaker 4: house was filled with you know, my sisters were all
Speaker 4: teens at the time, and there's just a lot of emotion.
Speaker 4: And of course it's not a sometimes I remember, not complete,
Speaker 4: like a flowing, complete video playing out from beginning to end.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's it's more like like a flat like flashes,
Speaker 4: like almost like watching an old uh, an old v
Speaker 4: VHS tape or something that's got a couple of glitches
Speaker 4: in it, you know. And I Steve and I talked
Speaker 4: about this when we first got together, trying to tell
Speaker 4: these stories without filling in the gaps, because you try
Speaker 4: to fight yourself when you're okay, well, you know, how
Speaker 4: did I get from the bedroom to the living room.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm just making that part up, but you know,
Speaker 4: so you assume it and and and you know, well
Speaker 4: somebody I must walk or somebody carried me or whatever,
Speaker 4: and you fill that gap in it. After a while,
Speaker 4: I think that that can start manifesting as it really happened. So,
Speaker 4: you know, that's the main thing. Is Like when I
Speaker 4: was telling Steve the first time about my story, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't remember exactly what happened here, but I remember
Speaker 4: at that time I was up higher and I was
Speaker 4: looking over my you know, my sister's shoulder or whatever,
Speaker 4: and I saw my sister sitting on the couch and
Speaker 4: said this, you know, but you know, when you tell
Speaker 4: a story like that, you try very hard to be
Speaker 4: honest and say, you know, I don't remember how I
Speaker 4: got from there to there. I just wound up there
Speaker 4: and then this was what happened. But when you're being
Speaker 4: honest like that, people are like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 4: so you can't win either way.
Speaker 1: Tell then, I have, especially, like we said, with those
Speaker 1: defining moments, I have almost total recall. I have a
Speaker 1: near photographic memory and have ever since childhood. I can
Speaker 1: tell you every single thing about it the way I
Speaker 1: remember it. I've had people saying, oh, you've got to
Speaker 1: be lying, because nobody remembers that much detail I was there.
Speaker 4: You know, because we're you know, speaking of people always say, well,
Speaker 4: you're just trying to sell your book. Let me tell
Speaker 4: you people, you know, we h one of us has
Speaker 4: great books out there. You know, uh Lynn has several,
Speaker 4: and Steve has a bunch, and I've got one with Steve.
Speaker 4: And it's you're you're not doing it for that. I
Speaker 4: mean the amount of time when you're writing a book
Speaker 4: and you're putting down your experiences that really happened to you.
Speaker 4: You're trying to be like I said, very careful, and
Speaker 4: you're wording and you're trying to be expressive and you're
Speaker 4: trying to be descriptive so the reader can be there,
Speaker 4: you know, but more so, more over than that, you're
Speaker 4: you know, you're also going through the emotion of it
Speaker 4: all and you're trying to be clear and without Sometimes
Speaker 4: people what you think you saw it, Well, I'll give
Speaker 4: you all the things I thought. You know, you pick
Speaker 4: because I don't know, this is what I saw and
Speaker 4: as I think it's very interesting too when you have
Speaker 4: an experience like that at a young age and you
Speaker 4: talk to somebody decades later about it and then see
Speaker 4: it all new through their eyes and get new ideas.
Speaker 4: Steve and I have done that a lot of times,
Speaker 4: and I think that's where most of our learning, me is.
Speaker 2: When there was somebody there with me and they don't
Speaker 2: remember much of.
Speaker 1: All about it. I've had that happen, like with my nephew.
Speaker 1: He was granted four years younger than me, but we
Speaker 1: had some experiences and I remember it in great detail,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell it and tell it, tell it and
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't remember that, but I mean I
Speaker 1: obviously do. I'm not just making shit up.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's aggravating that that people don't have the
Speaker 1: same brain and memory that you do when you especially
Speaker 1: when you're telling the story.
Speaker 4: Yep, with my brother the thame, he doesn't remember any
Speaker 4: of it, not any They.
Speaker 1: Just don't want to remember a lot of it wasn't
Speaker 1: as important to them as it was to me, obviously,
Speaker 1: But again.
Speaker 2: That's I went to.
Speaker 1: High school with people for four years and run into
Speaker 1: them later in life and like, nah, I don't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were in the same class together. We were in
Speaker 1: Miss Bradford's English class. I said on the I don't
Speaker 1: remember you did, but oh well I was kind of anyway, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I think there is some some there.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a known fact. I'm sure that you
Speaker 4: know we blocked trauma. You know, it may very well be.
Speaker 4: This is sounds silly as all get out, but you
Speaker 4: know how dogs will have They have like I don't
Speaker 4: know how many smells, like four hundred and something. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm sure I got that wrong, but just put that
Speaker 4: there as a placeholder, and they can only hold the
Speaker 4: memory of that amount of sense and once a new
Speaker 4: income and one's got to go. So I'm wondering if
Speaker 4: people are like that, they have so much ram in
Speaker 4: their head, so they get rid of the memories. They
Speaker 4: don't really want to keep hold on of the ones
Speaker 4: they do. And I think that that that doesn't make
Speaker 4: any medical or scientific sense the way I said it,
Speaker 4: but I think it makes a human sense.
Speaker 2: I think it does.
Speaker 1: And you know, so like that goldfish in a bowl,
Speaker 1: you know, by the time they swam around that they
Speaker 1: forgot everything they saw and then it's all new again.
Speaker 2: And I think there are people that have that goldfish
Speaker 2: attention span.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, and speaking of the years of experience
Speaker 3: in this room right now, we have one hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty years of experience because I remember vivid stories when
Speaker 3: I was five and remembered seeing because we lived three
Speaker 3: short blocks behind a hospital, seeing people spirits and patient
Speaker 3: gowns walking through, and it was it was commonplace for us.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was like there's the toaster, there's the door,
Speaker 3: there's a ghost, you know, and so we didn't learn
Speaker 3: to be afraid of them. A lot of people too,
Speaker 3: I think, like what you both were saying as well,
Speaker 3: sometimes people it's kind of a selective thing and they
Speaker 3: tunes of it out because in the generations that we
Speaker 3: grew up in, you learn to keep your mouth shut
Speaker 3: because you didn't want to be the weirdo or the
Speaker 3: one that the white coats came and took away. You know,
Speaker 3: you didn't the Joneses. Everything was about the Joneses. I
Speaker 3: don't know where somebody came up with that name and
Speaker 3: what it looked like, and everything was, you know, what
Speaker 3: face value. So you didn't dare And then when you
Speaker 3: throw traditional religion in with it too, then you've got
Speaker 3: a missmash of you know, you have to hide it,
Speaker 3: and now you even start to doubt yourself, you know.
Speaker 3: So anyway, it's nice to be here with you guys,
Speaker 3: because I don't have to do that here.
Speaker 4: That's so true, and you know there's a great point
Speaker 4: and not to jump in here, Steve, but you know,
Speaker 4: I never understood how people could keep saying religions and
Speaker 4: I don't and I don't mean to to bash any
Speaker 4: because it's across the board. In most cases, it's all
Speaker 4: about love. Yet everybody comes at people with hate like
Speaker 4: you can't do that because bar blah blah, And I'm like,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, Like Steve and I were talking about
Speaker 4: the Boorley Mansion, a very famous, very haunted at it's
Speaker 4: no longer there. The rectory, the Boorly Rectory, and of
Speaker 4: course in the UK, right outside of Lancashire, I believe anyhow,
Speaker 4: the whole point of the haunting there was a monk
Speaker 4: and an of course legend, and Peter Underwood said his legend.
Speaker 4: So I'll go ahead and quote Peter you know, uh,
Speaker 4: because if you can't believe him, you know what forty
Speaker 4: years as the president of the ghost Hunters Society or
Speaker 4: whatever in the UK, I mean, just a wonderful man,
Speaker 4: and said that the legend there was a nun and
Speaker 4: a monk fell in love and met in secret. They
Speaker 4: got caught. So the religions, both of the that was
Speaker 4: in charge of both of them, which is supposed to
Speaker 4: be based out of love, decided they were going to
Speaker 4: hang the monk and wall them none up alive, uh,
Speaker 4: in the rectory itself, and bricker in. And that's supposed
Speaker 4: to be your expression of love, you know, why not? Okay, hey,
Speaker 4: you crazy kids, maybe you made a bad choice, you know,
Speaker 4: and pick this, you know, and you said it was
Speaker 4: for life, but you know you fell in love. God
Speaker 4: had another plan so go ahead, We'll let you out
Speaker 4: of this and you go be happy. And you know,
Speaker 4: and what I don't get it that would make more sense.
Speaker 1: It's not like you know, the mafia or a gang
Speaker 1: or something where it's blood in, blood out. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just you should be able to turn and walk
Speaker 1: away if God had other plans. I think you called
Speaker 1: it right on the nail there.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 3: I agree also, you know a lot of times too.
Speaker 3: And again we're not none of us are bashing traditional religion.
Speaker 3: I do believe that there is a purpose for it.
Speaker 3: I do believe in God, so you know, just to
Speaker 3: make that clearer, you know, to anybody that's listening, I believe.
Speaker 4: In all of that.
Speaker 1: The preachers come on, they've been on here several times
Speaker 1: and everybody knows that listens how I feel about that.
Speaker 2: I believe in God.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think it gets a bad name. I
Speaker 4: think it gets a bad name because the representative slices
Speaker 4: that are out there are showing me more of hate
Speaker 4: than love. And I don't understand that. And it's the
Speaker 4: same with ghosts. It is the same with ghosts. Why
Speaker 4: are people yelling at me telling me that ghosts are
Speaker 4: made out of green jello when I'm trying to tell
Speaker 4: them that love is eternal, and love continues on and
Speaker 4: your essence continues on. You know that energy can't be destroyed,
Speaker 4: it just gets changed, and you know where does it go?
Speaker 4: And hey, here we have about a bazillion gazillion stories
Speaker 4: here are they all fake?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: And my ghosts aren't made out of green jello? You know.
Speaker 1: LEEGI and I were talking about that last night. And
Speaker 1: when we've reverenced it before, I from beyond, which is
Speaker 1: my UFO, UAP and relative channel. If just one story
Speaker 1: is real, just one UFO encounter, just one ghost, just
Speaker 1: one bigfoot, just one of any of that stuff is true,
Speaker 1: then there you go. That's all it takes for one
Speaker 1: of them to be true. And I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of them that are.
Speaker 4: Yep, me too, I agree, I agree. I just wanted
Speaker 4: to say that about that because here's the thing. When
Speaker 4: you're standing up there, you know, maybe given a seminar
Speaker 4: or lecture whatever, and again anywhere, paranormal convention, whatever, similar,
Speaker 4: and people are just arguing about this, you know, why
Speaker 4: can't we all start with what we're all have in common,
Speaker 4: what we all have in common is our zest for knowledge,
Speaker 4: our our want or our need for people pictures to
Speaker 4: understand what's going on. You know, everybody's got a different reason.
Speaker 4: You know, nobody wants to be lied to or hoodwinked,
Speaker 4: or you know, they saw something and they're just trying
Speaker 4: to prove that something's out there so they can validate
Speaker 4: what they saw. Whatever their reason is. You know, we
Speaker 4: have something in common. And that's the question, you know,
Speaker 4: And now, okay, what did you go gather? What do
Speaker 4: you have? What did you see? Really? Okay, you know,
Speaker 4: and I think you know, Steve and I over the
Speaker 4: years have really kind of peeled apart the fact that,
Speaker 4: of course just because you're you know, your ghosts showed
Speaker 4: up in a you know, a tinkerbell ball of glittery
Speaker 4: light and then decided to manifest. Is whatever it did,
Speaker 4: you know, or however it did and acted the way
Speaker 4: it did, it doesn't mean that your ghost story that
Speaker 4: was completely different didn't happen. It's different types of ghosts,
Speaker 4: different people experience in it. It's everything in the room.
Speaker 4: It's all the end energy combined. It's the energy of
Speaker 4: the land, is the energy of the building, the structure
Speaker 4: of the place. It's the energy of the person that
Speaker 4: walked into that energy. It's the energy of the ghost
Speaker 4: that was If the ghost was there, the ghost might
Speaker 4: have followed you. You might have might have said, hey,
Speaker 4: where are you going, you know, and followed them in.
Speaker 4: You know, we just have all these questions still, but
Speaker 4: I think we have some answers. I think we have
Speaker 4: some answers. I do believe it has to do with
Speaker 4: the individual who became the ghost, and I think it
Speaker 4: has to do with the individual who is seeing the
Speaker 4: ghost and there's an energy connection there for whatever reason.
Speaker 4: In some cases, not all cases, you know, in some cases,
Speaker 4: you just walk up into a ghost and Yo, there
Speaker 4: we are, you know, and it doesn't have any big
Speaker 4: meaning behind it. The ghost isn't there because it's going
Speaker 4: through the same thing you're going through. And recognize your energy.
Speaker 4: You just walked up in a ghost and there you
Speaker 4: both were. You know that happens too, Yes, no, well all.
Speaker 3: No, And that's true. And you know, I think that
Speaker 3: people are also people. They're born with gifts, they're born
Speaker 3: with this innate understanding. However, it's changed with nature versus nurture,
Speaker 3: and they're taught to be afraid of it. So a
Speaker 3: lot of times people they're trying to prove it to
Speaker 3: themselves or they're afraid to prove it to themselves because
Speaker 3: they have this inner knowing. So even if somebody says, oh,
Speaker 3: there's no such thing as ghosts, now, they have an
Speaker 3: inner knowing. They're just creeped out that you're talking about it,
Speaker 3: and anybody that comes forward. You know, I've noticed a
Speaker 3: few things even on television recently, where they're constantly trying
Speaker 3: to debunk it. You know, they're constantly I mean, there's
Speaker 3: all of these miraculous things that are facts that have occurred,
Speaker 3: but they focus on this one little piece that was
Speaker 3: a little bit off and that diminishes the whole thing.
Speaker 3: And you know, all of us have had experiences and
Speaker 3: to me, I have never ever had anybody come and
Speaker 3: criticize me or say that what I was saying wasn't true.
Speaker 3: Then again, maybe because I don't give a flip. If
Speaker 3: somebody were to, I'd be like, oh, well, I have
Speaker 3: a nice day, you know type thing. But we know,
Speaker 3: we know what we've seen. There is no doubt, and
Speaker 3: we know you know that we've seen it more than once.
Speaker 3: And I mean some of us have been in situations
Speaker 3: or all of us have been in situations where we
Speaker 3: have seen it at the same time with other people.
Speaker 3: So there's that validation too, you know. And but people,
Speaker 3: some people just aren't quite ready for it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely true. If I could jump in here real quick,
Speaker 4: I think that's a very important point, and I try
Speaker 4: to I try to say it on my show, you know,
Speaker 4: we get together and stuff, because I think it's so important.
Speaker 4: You're only going to understand what your consciousness at the
Speaker 4: this point in your life is ready to understand. You
Speaker 4: might be getting held back from certain information or you know,
Speaker 4: if you ever tried to think of something when you
Speaker 4: were a kid and then you know, here you are
Speaker 4: forty and you're just wandering around the grocery store or whatever,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden it pops into your head
Speaker 4: and you get it, and you're like, why didn't I
Speaker 4: get that earlier? Are you kidding me? I'm just now
Speaker 4: figuring it out, you know. But it's like that in
Speaker 4: the Paranormal, I believe, and Steve was the one who
Speaker 4: just having conversations with him and then you know, Steve,
Speaker 4: what do you think about that? Was it? Mind? You have?
Speaker 4: And that's how we wrote the book too. We are
Speaker 4: all children in the wilderness to day afterlife, because I
Speaker 4: wanted it that way, because this is how we learn,
Speaker 4: you know. I just think that's an amazing thing to
Speaker 4: still be able to do after fifty years, forty years,
Speaker 4: sixty years, you know where you're like, Wow, I'm working.
Speaker 4: I'm running around a thing in my head now that
Speaker 4: has a lot to do with one of my first
Speaker 4: well not for not even close, but my first time
Speaker 4: I saw my mom. Because you remember, Steve, I was
Speaker 4: telling you about where like she would, I'd wake up,
Speaker 4: she'd just be in different parts of my room like
Speaker 4: just and and she seemed to always be surprised when
Speaker 4: she saw me. At the same time, she'd just blink out.
Speaker 4: You know, that's a short version, but take my word
Speaker 4: for it. Now, there's something in Lynn. Don't say a word. Uh.
Speaker 4: There's something uh that's been going on with people I
Speaker 4: know and some other people I know, and a couple
Speaker 4: of people that I've heard recently. So I figured, what's
Speaker 4: happening right at this moment is I'm getting I'm getting
Speaker 4: something else. My consciousness is starting to understand this, and
Speaker 4: it snaps into the ghost stories that you hear about,
Speaker 4: let's say, on the Kim Russo level, if you if
Speaker 4: you kind of understand what I mean by that, like
Speaker 4: where she would go a haunting of and she'd go
Speaker 4: back with the celebrity and take them back to the
Speaker 4: place it happened, and then she'd go through it. She'd
Speaker 4: read the house, she go, oh, well, that ghost was
Speaker 4: here because of this, It's usually winds up being a
Speaker 4: totally different reason than the person actually thought, you know,
Speaker 4: or maybe they were scared of this ghost and the
Speaker 4: ghost was trying to prevent them from falling down a
Speaker 4: broken step or something, you know, just whatever you want
Speaker 4: to say, but it was a different reason. And what
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of now is that kind of if you
Speaker 4: can imagine what it must be for a ghost, that's
Speaker 4: just kind of I don't want to say, stuck in
Speaker 4: any kind of purgatory or crossing over place or whatever.
Speaker 4: We all know those things exist because it's your consciousness.
Speaker 4: Are you ready to move up? Think the high vibrational things.
Speaker 4: You'll move up. We know that from the little girl
Speaker 4: who was getting tickled, and every time she laughed she
Speaker 4: moved over. She felt like she moved into a different
Speaker 4: plane of an existence in her nde and she was
Speaker 4: just a three year old girl, and the only way
Speaker 4: she could describe it was they would make her laugh,
Speaker 4: and when she laughed, she felt like her body would
Speaker 4: shift her it would shoot in another direction. And when
Speaker 4: she got through whatever clouds or whatever it was that
Speaker 4: she described, everything would be brighter and the music would
Speaker 4: be louder, and things would be just gorgeous. And it
Speaker 4: was all because she was giggling. And I thought, Okay,
Speaker 4: she's giggling. That's raising her vibration. She's shooting up a vibe.
Speaker 4: You know. So what if, like my mom, she passes,
Speaker 4: she passes in a hospital in Virginia. I'm in way
Speaker 4: far away. I'm in New Jersey, right, I went to
Speaker 4: stay with family when she was in the hospital. Sick
Speaker 4: at the end makes sense, Okay, So I wake up,
Speaker 4: I start seeing her. I'm thinking I'm scaring her as
Speaker 4: a kid. As I grow up and go through adulthood
Speaker 4: and things like that, start studying this more and understanding more,
Speaker 4: I'm starting to think, Wait a minute, what if while
Speaker 4: I'm sleeping, I love and miss her so much my
Speaker 4: energy is connecting into hers and that's drawing her Yeah,
Speaker 4: or you're you know how you think of a loved
Speaker 4: one and they're there kind of thing. What if it's
Speaker 4: she's doing it? What if she passes in such a
Speaker 4: state pretty much, you know, alone, other than the people
Speaker 4: that were there at the hospital unfortunately are horrible. You know,
Speaker 4: this is back in seventy six, just the way things went,
Speaker 4: you know, and uh, she's worried about me so much
Speaker 4: so it tethers her to the earth plane because we
Speaker 4: know this is also true. Worry, fear, regret, pain, suffering, grief,
Speaker 4: all those things can tether. And she's connecting in with
Speaker 4: my energy when it's loose and I'm asleep. She's in
Speaker 4: a state of kind of sleep and lingering because she's
Speaker 4: stuck here, and somehow our energies are matching up just
Speaker 4: enough for us to briefly see each other for a
Speaker 4: moment in time. That that kind of love, that kind
Speaker 4: of deep mother child next. I think that's possible because
Speaker 4: I think it happens with the living as well, and
Speaker 4: for a brief moment they show up. Doesn't make any
Speaker 4: sense to anybody, it.
Speaker 3: Does make total sense. And I and I agree with
Speaker 3: you because I've kind of spoken with people about things
Speaker 3: kind of like that. I've kind of had some experiences
Speaker 3: that way myself, so yeah, that makes perfect sense. I
Speaker 3: mean I know that even myself, with a recent issue
Speaker 3: at my sister's house, I mistakenly thought that this elemental
Speaker 3: in the house was holding spirits prisoner, and it turned
Speaker 3: out that his reason for being there and holding them
Speaker 3: was to protect them. So it is easy to misunderstand,
Speaker 3: you know, somebody being there, and plus you know so
Speaker 3: many people it's said that they've been taught to be
Speaker 3: afraid of spirits even if they're if they're familiar. I
Speaker 3: know the episode that I went through with a religious
Speaker 3: choice to my mother, made after we had been Presbyterian
Speaker 3: for very, very long, and I mean they scared me
Speaker 3: so bad that even when I started to see things,
Speaker 3: I would run out of the room just as fast
Speaker 3: as anybody else because of what I was taught. Even
Speaker 3: if they were beautiful things like my grandmother or my
Speaker 3: aunt or somebody that would pop into visit, and you know,
Speaker 3: and then I would feel them close, you know too,
Speaker 3: and like like you said, they would be connected because
Speaker 3: they loved me and not just because you know, I
Speaker 3: was calling on them or you know, thinking of them
Speaker 3: or whatever. But that they were also you know, keyed
Speaker 3: in that way.
Speaker 4: So I agree absolutely because the thought can be so powerful.
Speaker 4: Think about that, Steve, you know, an unwilling like just
Speaker 4: to love just a you know, because we we can
Speaker 4: all think of something right now that we love that much,
Speaker 4: you know that, and you're asleep therein semi. I guess
Speaker 4: you could say almost like a sleep, like a know
Speaker 4: with twilight sleep. I guess I don't know making who knows,
Speaker 4: but there's just that connection. It's not a will, not
Speaker 4: really a conscious will on either human being. It's just
Speaker 4: a underlying current of that eternal love that in sleep
Speaker 4: or in a let go conscious state. I'm sure people
Speaker 4: could do this in meditation as well, connects like that
Speaker 4: and just surprises each other. I just think that's an
Speaker 4: amazing way to think about it, because listen, in life,
Speaker 4: you could do it astro projecting, you can do it
Speaker 4: through meditation, you can do it through other things elucid
Speaker 4: dreaming and things like that. And then you get all
Speaker 4: the accounts too, of those goodbye show ups, you guys
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like somebody's passed and four people
Speaker 4: in the family got to see him before he you know,
Speaker 4: he just stopped for a minute just to smile and
Speaker 4: move on. And you find out that right after the
Speaker 4: person passed and when visited four people that night.
Speaker 3: You know, yes, yeah, what a beautiful way that you
Speaker 3: put it to Cisco. You laid it out in such
Speaker 3: a way that it was very beautiful.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I just think that that is a beautiful
Speaker 4: thing though. It is so you could I think that
Speaker 4: somebody who just was had just so much love for
Speaker 4: a person too, they could do that. I'm wondering how
Speaker 4: many stories we've missed, you know, or throw out and
Speaker 4: put in another category because it was something like that,
Speaker 4: Like say a soldier and you know, in a in
Speaker 4: in a foreign land by themselves and their the fox
Speaker 4: hold their tent and they're they're asleep and they're just
Speaker 4: thinking a home and somebody in that home, a child,
Speaker 4: a wife, a husband, whatever, just for a moment sees
Speaker 4: that person standing there, you know, just briefly and almost
Speaker 4: would you'd almost think it was a ghost, you know,
Speaker 4: or how how many times had it happened? We don't
Speaker 4: even see it? Wow, that's just crazy. It's just it's
Speaker 4: just amazing to me to think that why not, why
Speaker 4: wouldn't it Steve, doesn't it make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you too, you know, and
Speaker 3: on that same line as well, it's like even with
Speaker 3: like the thought and the connectedness in that way, that's
Speaker 3: that's beyond the physical body. It's like one day you
Speaker 3: might be sitting and just out of the blue, you
Speaker 3: start thinking about somebody that you haven't thought about in years,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, the next day you get
Speaker 3: a phone call or you run into it at the
Speaker 3: grocery store. You know. I mean, this is this kind
Speaker 3: of thing that happens, and it's kind of along the
Speaker 3: same line, and it's all energetic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the energy is coming, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like their energy is coming. Same thing
Speaker 4: like phone calls. Like you said, somebodys do a knock
Speaker 4: on the door. I do it all the time with
Speaker 4: phone calls, especially with you know, loved ones and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. And I surely didn't meet anything where I
Speaker 4: said line don't say it, but I didn't she her,
Speaker 4: And I know somebody that might be experiencing something like that,
Speaker 4: because when I read it, I get innocence on both sides,
Speaker 4: and I think that that's what do you understand? What
Speaker 4: I'm saying, yes, I get innocence on both sides where
Speaker 4: both are surprised by it. And when I when I
Speaker 4: got that, that's what made me think of my mom.
Speaker 4: And for years, I mean, this happened when I was
Speaker 4: like eleven twelve, you know, and for years I thought,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I'm doing it wrong. I'm scaring her.
Speaker 4: And you know, I told her i'd be I didn't
Speaker 4: want to see ghosts and be scared, and she's I'm
Speaker 4: scaring her away and she won't stay and talk to her.
Speaker 4: I mean, when you're a kid, you beat yourself up
Speaker 4: inside and out sideways. You know, I'm doing something wrong here,
Speaker 4: you know? Why? Why can't I get my mom to
Speaker 4: stick around just so I can see if she's okay?
Speaker 4: You know? But and then just totally misunderstanding. I think
Speaker 4: she was just as surprised. She didn't, you know, because
Speaker 4: we always assume that ghosts have the whole book too,
Speaker 4: like they have the whole here's all the rules. This
Speaker 4: is what you kenn of can't do, This is what
Speaker 4: you ken of can't tell them, this is what you
Speaker 4: kend of can't say. And I'm sure that there's somebody
Speaker 4: over there and the send a being or whatever going.
Speaker 4: We don't want to We don't want to give it all,
Speaker 4: you know. We don't want to give it all the
Speaker 4: way to him because I'd be cheating. They have to
Speaker 4: find it out on their own, you know, kind of
Speaker 4: like adults with a three year old, you know, just
Speaker 4: keep trying to catch them be where they hit the ground.
Speaker 4: But once they hit the h fall on their butts
Speaker 4: a couple of times, they learn to hang on or
Speaker 4: walk careful or you know what I mean. It's almost
Speaker 4: like that's how I look at it with ascended beings
Speaker 4: and whoever's running this show, you know, and whoever has
Speaker 4: the rule books, you know, because we assume that the
Speaker 4: ghost can do that. And I keep going back to
Speaker 4: that movie Ghost when Patrick Swaye's character was just trying
Speaker 4: to move the damn penny or kick a can and
Speaker 4: he could. He was trying with human boundaries, I think,
Speaker 4: you know, and and letting those human earth flea connections
Speaker 4: kind of go like that, those boundaries, those color you know,
Speaker 4: color in the lines, and it's all the other goes
Speaker 4: to go. Dude, there's no lines anymore, you know, and
Speaker 4: you just have to think it. So if it's if
Speaker 4: it's simple like that, a process of thought and thinking
Speaker 4: it imagine the things that we can do that they've
Speaker 4: told us we can't anymore. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a whole hemisphere of the brain that
Speaker 3: they don't even we're not even using. And I believe
Speaker 3: that that's the spiritual side that connects us with you know,
Speaker 3: and our gifts are spiritual gifts that come through that
Speaker 3: we're all born with. So yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm on the same page with you what you're talking about, that.
Speaker 4: Is for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm right there too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think that's an amazing you know. To me,
Speaker 4: it's almost like an epiphany because that one thing. And
Speaker 4: I always smile when I think about my mom because
Speaker 4: what she has taught me. I thought she taught me
Speaker 4: everything she had to teach me in the first twelve
Speaker 4: years before I lost her, you know, and I was
Speaker 4: that's just you know, where my mindset was. But now,
Speaker 4: you know, on the other side of this, I'm going,
Speaker 4: my gosh, she taught me so much after she passed
Speaker 4: as well, Yes, especially in this and didn't probably didn't
Speaker 4: even realize what she was doing it first, and that's
Speaker 4: what got me to get it because I'm looking at
Speaker 4: this and I'm going, you know, how would she know
Speaker 4: to do that? And I thought, well, maybe she's just
Speaker 4: thinking of me, and I'm just thinking of her, and
Speaker 4: we just boom somehow we caught that flash moment, you know,
Speaker 4: like Steve, you and I talk about that where time
Speaker 4: like the pages in a book. Do you remember that
Speaker 4: that analogy. You've got a book and the pages, and
Speaker 4: the pages just get a little wet, drop some water
Speaker 4: on it, right, and you drop some water in a
Speaker 4: pretty soon you'll start to see the words from the
Speaker 4: other side bleed over under that page a little bit,
Speaker 4: and those pages coming through. And I think time is
Speaker 4: like that in ways, like sometimes they come into ours,
Speaker 4: sometimes we go into theirs. You know, they could be
Speaker 4: something that simple.
Speaker 2: It's totally laynear. It's an abstract exactly.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love that kind of also like the
Speaker 3: veils between dimensions that you kind of write go and
Speaker 3: as when my mom passed away, also my father had
Speaker 3: a near death experience, and he talked about the fact
Speaker 3: that they're able to be in six places at one
Speaker 3: time simultaneously, which I found to be interesting because they
Speaker 3: could be sitting with your brother at the morning table,
Speaker 3: and while they're in the car writing with you to work.
Speaker 3: But speaking of the sensory thing, they do crossover. They
Speaker 3: do have all of their senses. And people argue the
Speaker 3: smell thing, and it's like, look, they don't have an
Speaker 3: old factory nerve, so it's not like walking up and
Speaker 3: sniffing a flower. But it is a memory recall. They
Speaker 3: because they think and they travel. My mother pops in
Speaker 3: a ca asually and I asked her about the eating
Speaker 3: thing with potato salad. Doesn't she miss it? And of
Speaker 3: course she came in and she said, well, we do
Speaker 3: everything by thought. If we want to be with someone,
Speaker 3: we think of them and we're instantly right there with them.
Speaker 3: And if we want to go somewhere, we think of
Speaker 3: it and we instantly are there. I mean, there's not
Speaker 3: even a point of traveling. You're just in a split second,
Speaker 3: you're there. And when you want to you know, taste
Speaker 3: of food or something that you enjoyed in some lifetime
Speaker 3: and some galaxy or on Earth, your most recent lifetime,
Speaker 3: you just think of it and the sensation comes to
Speaker 3: you as if you're eating it instantaneously, So you know
Speaker 3: that That's also very interesting too, with the fact that
Speaker 3: they can be so many places and they do feel
Speaker 3: they keep all of their senses, whether they passed over
Speaker 3: or not. They have all of their senses, but when
Speaker 3: they pass over, they have additional senses that they didn't
Speaker 3: while they were earth bound, and some of the negative
Speaker 3: and a lot of the negative stuff has shed and
Speaker 3: left behind, so they're not they're not held back by
Speaker 3: that anymore.
Speaker 2: That's ing stuff.
Speaker 4: It's good, right, I think that's the best thing. Uh. Again,
Speaker 4: I'll use my mom when she was showing up, like
Speaker 4: I said, where it was, I call them popins, you know,
Speaker 4: because again they always ended with me going and her going,
Speaker 4: you know, that kind of look, you know, and that
Speaker 4: kind of like why am I scaring her? You know,
Speaker 4: It's like when I finally got my stuff together, you know,
Speaker 4: and you're just not expecting it and it's never gonna
Speaker 4: happen again, and then all of a sudden, bam, there
Speaker 4: it is again. You're never ready for it, you know,
Speaker 4: not when it's like that. Yeah, But then after there
Speaker 4: was a time, you know, I went through a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff and a lot of other things happened to me,
Speaker 4: and I'm pretty sure my spirit guid's had a hold
Speaker 4: of me, because that's you know, when stuff was happening
Speaker 4: to me, like but I got stuck in the undertoe
Speaker 4: it out on the beach, you know, and I was
Speaker 4: out of my body and the time almost walked in
Speaker 4: front of the bus and somebody just grabbed me by
Speaker 4: the back of the both shoulders, back of the top
Speaker 4: back of my shoulders and lifted me off the ground
Speaker 4: and put me on my butt on the sidewalk as
Speaker 4: the bus went boom, and I turned around to say
Speaker 4: thank you. There's nobody there. So different things like that
Speaker 4: were happening to be I believed that my spirit guys
Speaker 4: were really trying to get me through boot camp or something,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I was a teenager. You know,
Speaker 4: It's like I was always at the crossroads. You know
Speaker 4: which or do I take right? You know which right
Speaker 4: I go? So, you know, I think there was a
Speaker 4: lot of that going on a sheet. And it was
Speaker 4: a while. And then right before the night before I
Speaker 4: went into the Army, right before I left for boot camp,
Speaker 4: that's when she showed up again, but totally different, totally
Speaker 4: different way.
Speaker 1: I love your version of that. If you would tell
Speaker 1: that whole story there.
Speaker 4: Sure right, Well, so you know, again, I'm not nervous.
Speaker 4: I'm digging this. At the time, I was so gun ho.
Speaker 4: I was like John Wayne Junior, I really was. I
Speaker 4: was just so into army. I was fit. I was
Speaker 4: you know, I was running, I was running with leg weights.
Speaker 4: I was just gunno nuts, and I wanted to so
Speaker 4: over cheat. I knew I was going to have to
Speaker 4: shoot so far, you know, to land halfway. Because again
Speaker 4: I was like in the first one of the very
Speaker 4: first all female boot camps at Fort Dix, this is back.
Speaker 4: You know, we're breaking ceilings out and glass all over
Speaker 4: the place. They didn't know what to do with us.
Speaker 4: So I knew I had to train hard. So I
Speaker 4: was excited. It wasn't nervous or anxiety or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I'm stayed at my sister's house. I'm on her couch
Speaker 4: and the door. Now, she's got three daughters, my nieces,
Speaker 4: and they were all teenagers at the time, and they
Speaker 4: had a curfew. And it's a little late, it's about
Speaker 4: ten thirty somewhere around in there, and in the room
Speaker 4: I'm in there is a back door. My sister is
Speaker 4: extremely historically nautical colonial go figure, but it works for her.
Speaker 4: And on this back door, it's a glass window, a
Speaker 4: wooden door with a glass window half and on that
Speaker 4: glass window instead of a curtain is a fishing net
Speaker 4: filled with these shells. And see what do you call it?
Speaker 4: A starfish? You know, nice, really pretty, very well done,
Speaker 4: and these big beautiful glass they are called Japanese floating
Speaker 4: glass balls or something nautical. So you know, so when
Speaker 4: you open this door, it has a distinctive sound when
Speaker 4: it opens and when it closes, and everybody in that
Speaker 4: house knows that sound because of the way that those
Speaker 4: glass balls and that net and shells hits the glass
Speaker 4: on the door. So I hear it open, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: oh man, somebody's coming in late curfew, you know. So
Speaker 4: I started like ribbon. I didn't know which needs it
Speaker 4: was because I didn't know who was out of the house.
Speaker 4: And I said something. I heard the door close, and
Speaker 4: nobody said anything back, and I wanted to catch who
Speaker 4: it was. So I sat up from where I was
Speaker 4: on the couch so I could look over the couch
Speaker 4: to see and nobody's there. Nobody had a chance to
Speaker 4: get up the stairs and out of the room, and
Speaker 4: I noticed by the door, which I heard distinctly open
Speaker 4: and close, this little sparkle of light and it's almost
Speaker 4: like just a little pinch of glitter in mid air, moving,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of like going together, going to part.
Speaker 4: And then it's getting a little bit bigger, and it's
Speaker 4: kind of moving through the living room about halfway and
Speaker 4: it's like right in front of me. I could almost
Speaker 4: reach out and touch it. If I had lunged at it,
Speaker 4: I could have touched it, but I didn't move, and
Speaker 4: I'm watching this thing move. And then it gets brighter
Speaker 4: and it gets lighter, and it gets bigger and more
Speaker 4: glittery and kind of misty, and it's it's going so
Speaker 4: fast yet so slow. I don't know how to describe that.
Speaker 4: And it just eventually starts making a larger In the
Speaker 4: midst of this lighting glittery light, was a figure. And
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden it just became clear and
Speaker 4: it was my mom. And now she's no longer in
Speaker 4: the hospital gown and had the white thing, you know,
Speaker 4: the white hospital band on her wrist. She wasn't hunched over,
Speaker 4: I didn't feel her pain. I felt nothing but warmth
Speaker 4: and love and light. And it just washed over me
Speaker 4: like somebody just opened like a pizza oven. And I'm
Speaker 4: just standing there probably like a goofball with my face
Speaker 4: hanging out, and I just I remember just mouthing Mom
Speaker 4: because she looked so good. She looked like she was going,
Speaker 4: you know, out out to dinner on a Saturday night,
Speaker 4: you know, at the Essex and Sussex Jersey Shore. I mean,
Speaker 4: she looked good, her hair was done, she had, you know,
Speaker 4: like it just this casual, you know, dressy outfit. You know,
Speaker 4: she looked great, this big old smile on her face,
Speaker 4: rosy cheeks or makeup's done. She's looking good. Mom is
Speaker 4: looking good and she's not hunched over. She's stand up straight.
Speaker 4: And I, like I said, I did not feel the pain.
Speaker 4: And I can tell you before when she showed up,
Speaker 4: I promise you people, it was almost like feeling the
Speaker 4: pain energy when she showed up, I think is what
Speaker 4: woke me up. I don't know how to express that,
Speaker 4: but I think I felt her pain and her suffering
Speaker 4: and her depression before I ever saw her. If that
Speaker 4: makes sense. Now I'm getting this blast of and purticure
Speaker 4: of hey girl, how you doing? You know, it is amazing.
Speaker 4: So there she is and I hear her talking to me,
Speaker 4: and I'm looking at her and she's just smiling and
Speaker 4: I'm not even blinking twice that she's not moving her mouth.
Speaker 4: And I could totally hear Steve. I could smell her Lynn,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I could smell her familiar,
Speaker 4: just her shampoo. I can smell, you know, the way
Speaker 4: she smelled when she came inside on a cold day
Speaker 4: and gave me a hug. I could smell it. And
Speaker 4: through telepathically she told me just a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 4: the short end being just short things, but very profound.
Speaker 4: You know, you're doing great and very proud of you,
Speaker 4: Like am I doing the right thing? I can remember
Speaker 4: at one point I busted out, you know, might do
Speaker 4: it because I was going in the army. Am I
Speaker 4: doing the right thing? Is this the right thing? She said,
Speaker 4: I can't tell you that, you know. And then at
Speaker 4: the end she said, you won't see me for a while,
Speaker 4: but I'll be around and I love you very much.
Speaker 4: And as soon as she said that, she didn't twinkle out.
Speaker 4: She just kind of almost like she like you would
Speaker 4: see in Charles Dickens where they kind of start floating
Speaker 4: backwards kind of thing and then just gone twinkled out,
Speaker 4: and darn if I didn't hear that dag door open
Speaker 4: and shut again. Never it never moved, it never moved,
Speaker 4: but I heard it.
Speaker 2: What a great Yeah, I'd love to hear you tell
Speaker 2: that now.
Speaker 3: I've never heard that story, Sisco. I'm so thrilled that
Speaker 3: you share it. That that's that is amazing, and.
Speaker 4: It's it's a really nice one. But you know, you
Speaker 4: kind of stand there and you're just like, what what
Speaker 4: just happened? And you know, I have to say that
Speaker 4: for every story that anybody's ever heard where they say, well,
Speaker 4: it happened and I just went to sleep, you know,
Speaker 4: And I can never understand that when you see it,
Speaker 4: but you know it happens because I just I was
Speaker 4: so relaxed. It's almost like it drained you a little bit,
Speaker 4: like they're pulling energy from you too. So maybe that's it,
Speaker 4: Steve that, maybe that's why people just fall asleep because
Speaker 4: I think it drained your energy to.
Speaker 1: Because I think it just wipes you out and they're
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I've done all I can do for now,
Speaker 1: I got to recharge my batteries, you know, the same
Speaker 1: with electronics and things. How the batteries are depleted in
Speaker 1: the presence of something like that, I think our psychic batteries,
Speaker 1: if you will, getting plated that easily.
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree.
Speaker 4: And there's an affirmation story right there, my very own
Speaker 4: experience of how if they if they're stay connected to
Speaker 4: the earth, if they're earth, if they're bound to the
Speaker 4: Earth by their own feelings and their own vibrations are
Speaker 4: low vibrational stuff connected for whatever. You know, the chains
Speaker 4: that you know morally form through life, you know however
Speaker 4: you want to say it, but just being lonely and
Speaker 4: hurt and confused and you know, can can hold you
Speaker 4: a little bit. And like I said, the best knowledge
Speaker 4: that we could ever give out on one of these shows,
Speaker 4: Think Positive, Think Positive Things. It's it's almost like clapping
Speaker 4: to get Tinkerbell to fly, believe in you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. It's just it's so intent, it's so it's look,
Speaker 4: you can you can feel it when you do it
Speaker 4: now and you're alive. You can feel the difference between
Speaker 4: being said. Turning on the radio and one of your
Speaker 4: favorite songs come on and by the time you get
Speaker 4: about ten to twelve beats and you're starting to feel it.
Speaker 4: Your foot starts tapping. You feel better, and you're singing
Speaker 4: in the car at the red light and you just
Speaker 4: don't even care. You're dancing in the kitchen, singing into
Speaker 4: your wooden spoon, whatever's going on. You've just raised your vibration.
Speaker 4: So if we could just get ghosts to do that,
Speaker 4: there they go, you know, there they go, floating off
Speaker 4: into the light. It's wonderful. And I don't know why
Speaker 4: we make its so difficult, and I don't know why
Speaker 4: we get involved in all this. You know, I think
Speaker 4: it's arrogant to tell ghosts that they have to leave
Speaker 4: and they have to cross over. No, no, it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not arrogant. It's you're not telling them they have
Speaker 4: to you're telling them like a bartender. Look, honey, you
Speaker 4: don't have to go home, but you can't stay here
Speaker 4: because the living have a choice too. So if you're
Speaker 4: not going to be cool, you gotta go. You don't
Speaker 4: have to go home. You want to go sort it,
Speaker 4: you want to go talk about it, you want to
Speaker 4: talk about crossing over. What's your beef? You know you
Speaker 4: can do that. But the main thing is, I think
Speaker 4: it's a responsibility of any human being to help another
Speaker 4: human being and say, look, you don't have to do
Speaker 4: any of this. But here's the gist. It took me
Speaker 4: sixty years to get to this. If you want the
Speaker 4: information here it is. If not, go haunt somebody's dark cellar.
Speaker 4: But don't say I didn't try. That's what it is
Speaker 4: for me. You know, free will, free will, You have it.
Speaker 4: I have it, thank god, you know. But so do they.
Speaker 4: I just think it's sad that people treat them like
Speaker 4: pets and say, oh, well they're good. No, honey, they're
Speaker 4: not supposed to be here, you know, if they're working
Speaker 4: through some part of their journey. Okay, fine, but that's
Speaker 4: look they have to be if you cannot leave them
Speaker 4: in that stuck, dingy, depressed, sad, angry, tied up and
Speaker 4: not stay. That's arrogant to think that you don't have
Speaker 4: the time to stop for a minute. Those are the
Speaker 4: same people who walk past the scripple this person on
Speaker 4: the corner because it's it's it's uh, it's it's hard,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's not pleasant. Well it's
Speaker 4: not pleasant going down in a deep basement either, and
Speaker 4: taking a ship ton of chances because you know, you
Speaker 4: played with a weed board and thought you were going
Speaker 4: to solve stuff and did whatever else, went on and
Speaker 4: did some ritual on the roof and planning your husband's
Speaker 4: underwear in the front yard to keep it from cheating
Speaker 4: on you. Whatever you did, you open some stuff and
Speaker 4: now we got to come and we gotta close it.
Speaker 4: We got to sort things out. Don't tell me how
Speaker 4: to do it, because if you knew how to do it,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't be calling me.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Just people get crazy, Steve, you know what's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's so true.
Speaker 4: We'll get somebody and they're on and I'm like, honey,
Speaker 4: if you need help, please dm me, email me. I
Speaker 4: don't need to hear the whole Please don't tell me
Speaker 4: the whole thing, because it's sitting right behind you gain
Speaker 4: an energy listening to you talking about it, and then
Speaker 4: it's going to go attack your kids because it knows
Speaker 4: that's how it gets to you. And I'm trying to
Speaker 4: stop you from doing that, and you're doubling down. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like they just gotta say it, you know, And
Speaker 4: I'm like, look, do you want help, We're gonna start here.
Speaker 4: Stop talking about it. Do these things, do these things
Speaker 4: in this you know what I mean? And I'll get
Speaker 4: you somebody. I'll get your pro. I'll get your pro
Speaker 4: that's been vetted, you know, twenty thirty years through me,
Speaker 4: known them this long, you know. But you're gonna have
Speaker 4: to do what they say too, because if you're gonna
Speaker 4: do it, you're you've done it your way and now
Speaker 4: you're a mess. You know. I don't know. Does that
Speaker 4: sound arrogant or adamant?
Speaker 2: No, I think it's adamant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think this sounds adamant too. And the
Speaker 3: thing is also is sometimes people, after they've worked themselves
Speaker 3: into that sort of a situation, then they want help
Speaker 3: to get out of But the thing is is do
Speaker 3: they really want the help to get out of it?
Speaker 3: Because there are certain work that they also have to
Speaker 3: apply themselves to do in order to meet that goal.
Speaker 3: And a lot of times, because of the dysfunctional coping
Speaker 3: skills that they've created in order to accommodate whatever they have,
Speaker 3: you know, the spirit in their house or whatever, or
Speaker 3: the depression or the attachments or whatever it is, they're
Speaker 3: so used to having that maladaption that they are not
Speaker 3: comfortable letting it go once you once they're free of
Speaker 3: that or once they have a better understanding, they want
Speaker 3: to dip back down into some of the negative stuff
Speaker 3: and you know, kind of get the ball rolling.
Speaker 4: But even I call that paranormal munch housings. Don't we
Speaker 4: see there? You go, Yeah, that's exactly what it is,
Speaker 4: and it's it's and not only that, but look, I've
Speaker 4: known cases where I mean at great, I mean again,
Speaker 4: you know, people have to realize what mediums or people
Speaker 4: that go through or you know, people that chaos magic.
Speaker 4: Anybody that's going into help I don't care if it's
Speaker 4: a press of pastor aback, it doesn't matter. Anybody that
Speaker 4: goes in to help somebody else in this situation is
Speaker 4: putting themselves at not only at risk or you know whatever.
Speaker 4: There's a fight going on here, and you may not
Speaker 4: see the blows, you may not see the wounds, you
Speaker 4: may not see the torment that that person goes through.
Speaker 4: I know one that goes home almost wounds up in
Speaker 4: the hospital. Helping people that are extremely flippant, it's very critical.
Speaker 4: They think they can do it better. They're not going
Speaker 4: to you know, they're not going to do what this
Speaker 4: person says you know, stop and think about this, folks.
Speaker 4: We've kind of lost our We've got a little dehumanized here,
Speaker 4: you know. And that goes for ghosts too, because just
Speaker 4: like Consultzer said, you know, I'm not afraid of ghosts.
Speaker 4: Are just people who need to help. Okay, So they're
Speaker 4: people in need of help. It could be you could
Speaker 4: be a relative, it could be an ancestor, you know,
Speaker 4: at any time. So if you think of it's not
Speaker 4: a game, you know, it's more. Look, if we're gonna
Speaker 4: go in here, we're gonna try to communicate, find out
Speaker 4: why this person is here. We went, I'll tell a
Speaker 4: quick story that kind of tells a little bit. It
Speaker 4: puts it all in perspective. If that's cool. Going down
Speaker 4: to the cellar in Gettysburg and both listen, anybody who's
Speaker 4: listened to the radio show tonight, both of them just went,
Speaker 4: could we stop you? No? So we're going down to
Speaker 4: this damn cellar, right, and this is good. People have
Speaker 4: this house. They just acquired this house. It happens to
Speaker 4: be on the edge of the battlefield and write smack
Speaker 4: dab in the middle of a lot of skirmishes. So
Speaker 4: there are quite a few ghosts camp out in the
Speaker 4: cellar downstairs. Why don't ask me why ghosts like dark
Speaker 4: cellars and addicts and quiet corners and things like that.
Speaker 4: Time is different to them, things look different. I couldn't
Speaker 4: begin to tell you it's different with each one, but
Speaker 4: it seems to be a thing. And they tend to
Speaker 4: gather with other spirits. And then you've got other spirits
Speaker 4: that are there in the same place. They don't even
Speaker 4: know the other ones exist, so go figure. So we
Speaker 4: go down in the cellar, and in there was a
Speaker 4: mixture of this. There was a mom. She had two,
Speaker 4: possibly three kids. I'm not one hundred percent sure on
Speaker 4: that with her, and I'm not even sure they were
Speaker 4: all hers. I think she had gathered one, and I
Speaker 4: think that's why I was getting that off Coump, But
Speaker 4: that's just a thought. Then there was another one that
Speaker 4: kind of a very more male, stronger energy that kind
Speaker 4: of was in charge of the weaker ones, not in
Speaker 4: a bad way, but in a protective way, like who
Speaker 4: are you and what are you doing here? Kind of thing.
Speaker 4: And then there were several Civil War era soldiers there.
Speaker 4: Never bothered ask on what side, they didn't say, They
Speaker 4: responded to both music. We played neutral music, so we
Speaker 4: didn't ask because you know, we just don't do that.
Speaker 4: I don't anyway. I tell them either way, you're my brother.
Speaker 4: So there was another one that kind of felt off.
Speaker 4: Now within this we had some that were willing to
Speaker 4: listen to us. We had to go in. I went
Speaker 4: in with the other ex soldiers. The soldiers responded well
Speaker 4: to everything we were doing. At the very end, we
Speaker 4: did our thing where we kind of connect them into
Speaker 4: the love, energy and everything else. And it was lovely
Speaker 4: because the ghost, the mom that was there, you could
Speaker 4: almost hear her talking to the kids, you know. When
Speaker 4: we were saying do you see the light? Do you
Speaker 4: see the light? Everything really lightened up. You could feel
Speaker 4: it happening in the room. Ask anybody that was there.
Speaker 4: There was like eleven living humans down there and at
Speaker 4: least twelve to fourteen ghosts, maybe more so. Anyway, they
Speaker 4: all kind of bunched up in these little sectioned off groups.
Speaker 4: It was kind of wild the way you felt it.
Speaker 4: But you could almost hear her talking to the kids.
Speaker 4: And at the very end, I said, do you see
Speaker 4: that light, honey? Do you feel it? Do you feel it?
Speaker 4: You know? And she and I said, there it is.
Speaker 4: The love's right in there, Go get it. And she
Speaker 4: stopped for a minute and you could feel something changed
Speaker 4: in her voice. You could hear it come over, that
Speaker 4: ovulous thing I think it was, and she said that's simple,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, baby, that's simple, Go get it.
Speaker 4: And it was so cool. Pretty much cleared out the room.
Speaker 4: There was one there that we needed to go get
Speaker 4: somebody else, and that's okay. In the paranormal, folks, you
Speaker 4: got to learn when to step back to because there
Speaker 4: might be somebody else there that these ghosts want to
Speaker 4: connect with. And it's got nothing to do with you.
Speaker 4: It's got nothing to do with the ability or promena,
Speaker 4: you know, ego. All that shit's got to go because
Speaker 4: this is all about energy and connection. So at that
Speaker 4: point in time, I stepped back, and my friend, who
Speaker 4: was in the Navy, he stepped back, and we were
Speaker 4: both getting that this guy was totally different time period,
Speaker 4: totally different change. He was there for somebody else and
Speaker 4: had a wholly different agenda, not a bad one, but
Speaker 4: more of a protective We got finished business to finish here,
Speaker 4: and we had to go get somebody else that could
Speaker 4: come and speak with this entity and see what it
Speaker 4: was he wanted and how we could help him. And
Speaker 4: then we had to go on the other end to
Speaker 4: the person he wanted to connect with and help on
Speaker 4: that end with the living. So there was a place
Speaker 4: for everybody to write tool for the job, you know,
Speaker 4: and a lot of good paranormal investigators they know that,
Speaker 4: and the groups they've become fantastic over the past twenty
Speaker 4: something years. They really have, you know, I know, so
Speaker 4: many good ones that are really deep into it, like this,
Speaker 4: get it, you know, So that one we just sorted
Speaker 4: it and like I said earlier, sometimes you just got
Speaker 4: to give them the information. These things are possible. You
Speaker 4: can do these things. You can you can work this out,
Speaker 4: you can you know whatever, and we're willing to help
Speaker 4: you do that, you know. And it took another two
Speaker 4: years and then that ghost finally crossed because he was
Speaker 4: done with the living person that they had to deal with.
Speaker 4: He was there to help that living person as well.
Speaker 4: So there's so much to this. You can't just go
Speaker 4: in there with a big stick of sage and you know,
Speaker 4: whatever else you want to toss at it and just
Speaker 4: you know, get on at you know, do you know
Speaker 4: whatever if you could sit down and talk to them,
Speaker 4: that's fantastic in that situation. But please, please, please don't
Speaker 4: treat them like pets, or treat them mean, or go
Speaker 4: in there provoking things, because you'll meet some bad ones too,
Speaker 4: and we all have those stories. So I hope that
Speaker 4: gives you an idea. That's one spot with a lot
Speaker 4: of different situations. Every goes different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very well used to illustrate that several points there.
Speaker 3: Very Well said I agree absolutely.
Speaker 4: So like I said, I don't think it has to
Speaker 4: do with you know, I tend to come off really
Speaker 4: you know. Look, I'm too old to screw around, you know,
Speaker 4: and I just look, I will give everybody a chance
Speaker 4: to give me because there's always something to learn. There's
Speaker 4: always something to learn. But please don't tell me that,
Speaker 4: you know, ghost are made out of green yellow and
Speaker 4: you know there's nothing on the other side. It's just
Speaker 4: and you know what, in this world, here's another question,
Speaker 4: And I'd love to hear both think in this world,
Speaker 4: maybe that's how their world is going to be. Maybe
Speaker 4: they're manifesting that, do you see what I mean? Maybe
Speaker 4: that's what they're manifesting. Maybe for them there will be nothing.
Speaker 4: What do you think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought about it that way, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a possibility. I mean, I don't rule anything out
Speaker 1: at this juncture.
Speaker 3: No, you know, I've never thought about that either. I mean,
Speaker 3: most of with my the ability that I have with
Speaker 3: the second side in dealing with people that are crossing over,
Speaker 3: I've never seen a situation like that. But I'm sure
Speaker 3: you know, there are certain religions that believe that you
Speaker 3: don't go to either place, that you're going to be
Speaker 3: reawakened at a time when there's armageddon comes and there's
Speaker 3: going to be one hundred and forty four thousand people
Speaker 3: that are going to inhabit the earth and things like that,
Speaker 3: So maybe their reality will be.
Speaker 4: That maybe more than one thing happens, Maybe more than
Speaker 4: one thing happens. Yep, that's right. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know either. None of us are going
Speaker 3: to know until we get Yeah.
Speaker 4: We don't know. I was I couldn't sleep last night.
Speaker 4: I was hitting something and I needed something I hadn't
Speaker 4: heard before that we kept catching my interest where I
Speaker 4: can just because I have to click in the part
Speaker 4: of my brain that does deductive reasoning or or my
Speaker 4: mind just plays on tomorrow and today, and you know,
Speaker 4: like you know, your mind racist. So I do that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff to keep me occupied, so I'll go
Speaker 4: to sleep. It's weird, so I put on I can't
Speaker 4: remember what it was. It was just a real good,
Speaker 4: mellow sounding story. And it was a guy with a
Speaker 4: British accent. He was He was talking about the things
Speaker 4: that happened Skidwalker Ranch. And it was a two parter,
Speaker 4: so it's quite a few things. And it was the
Speaker 4: early stuff from the very beginning, went all the way back,
Speaker 4: not the show that's on now or anything like that,
Speaker 4: way back to the beginning when you had what was
Speaker 4: his name, nass or whatever the I like him too,
Speaker 4: from Coast to coast what's his name, Art Bell or no,
Speaker 4: not Art Bell, Artfell liked him.
Speaker 3: I know George George Dory is on there now.
Speaker 4: But right he's the other one, the one out of
Speaker 4: l A. I can't remember.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, I can't think of his name.
Speaker 4: Back John b well Not not John b Wells. I
Speaker 4: actually got to speak to John a couple of times,
Speaker 4: but no, yeah, but he did. He deserves to be
Speaker 4: mentioned because he did so much early work on the
Speaker 4: skinwalker ranch is who I mean. You know, people are
Speaker 4: probably screaming at the thing. Tell me his name. I'll
Speaker 4: think of it in a minute. But anyway, they went back, Man,
Speaker 4: this stuff that happened there, you know, this thing that
Speaker 4: comes crawling out of the portal and just runs up
Speaker 4: the side of the mountain. But the way they told
Speaker 4: this story was amazing because they brought in all of
Speaker 4: the aspects around it, you know, all of the details
Speaker 4: of the smell like a musk. They would smell this
Speaker 4: musk first, you know, you know, these different kind of things,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, this is just I love it
Speaker 4: when they go back to the old stuff because I
Speaker 4: believe something happened there. But this I don't know even
Speaker 4: what to say about the show. You know, I haven't
Speaker 4: seen the last season or whatever, but I heard enough
Speaker 4: from the first and saw enough from the first to go, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not watching this because it felt like o G
Speaker 4: Island to me. It's like, you took a great story
Speaker 4: and for eleven years y'all been Diginga's damn hall and
Speaker 4: you know it's it's just the next thing. It's the
Speaker 4: next thing. It's like that stake and rock that they
Speaker 4: were carrying around Steve that rock from rod Oak with
Speaker 4: the riding guards. Looks like al righting is right in
Speaker 4: that rock, isn't it. Yeah, well, there's some pieces of
Speaker 4: stand down here in this land is only found on
Speaker 4: the shores. The Oh, there's a kitten.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I I thought I had anything. Baby, I've got,
Speaker 3: I've got. I've got a herd of six five week
Speaker 3: old barrel kittens that were by the mama. Oh no,
Speaker 3: So they're here with me learning how to potty train
Speaker 3: and I'm feeding them. I found a mother to adopt
Speaker 3: them that had kind of only had one kitten left,
Speaker 3: so she is kind of tubbing them. But I found
Speaker 3: a place that's an okill facility. I'm trying to give
Speaker 3: them away, but if I can't, they're going to be
Speaker 3: going to a place that adopts them out and we'll
Speaker 3: make sure that they get good home.
Speaker 2: That's how I.
Speaker 4: Got my baby. That's how I got my babies. Oh god,
Speaker 4: that's wonderful.
Speaker 3: That's how I got my dog too. And I mean
Speaker 3: we've got cats too, but we can't have ten animals,
Speaker 3: so you know, it's just but they're adorable. There's so
Speaker 3: many cute things I'm enjoying them so much.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, it's wonderful. Oh kittens, Oh my god, that's
Speaker 4: just that I get my glory with them. I love
Speaker 4: nature so much and just my whole life, you know,
Speaker 4: with with with animals has been great and I highly recommend.
Speaker 4: I think those little souls have been put here just
Speaker 4: to show us what unconditional love is. And they're so
Speaker 4: they're they're so supernatural animals. Yeah, there's supernat Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I thought I keep turning my microphone off because they
Speaker 3: had been sleeping and now they and they are all
Speaker 3: over the place. We've got a freeway going through the
Speaker 3: litter box here because like four of them will crawl
Speaker 3: in it at once. As the bathroom. Well, they're so tiny,
Speaker 3: but so it's kind of funny because they're just learning.
Speaker 3: So it's like monkey, It's like it's like.
Speaker 4: Honey out there, I've raised I've raised more uh more babies.
Speaker 4: I just can't even tell you. But yeah, it's like anyway,
Speaker 4: it's skin walk a ranch. There's a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: going on there, and I believe there's places like that,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, gosh, all these I'm here lately
Speaker 4: out of nowhere, Steve out of nowhere. I'm not looking
Speaker 4: for it. It's in like the natural news.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure my algorithm or something has something to
Speaker 4: do with the news they show me. You know, believe
Speaker 4: they show me plenty. I don't want to see.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if.
Speaker 4: I believe that or not. But I'm here in portals.
Speaker 4: People are talking about portals, open it up in the
Speaker 4: pine barrens.
Speaker 1: I've got you were messing that to me earlier. Can
Speaker 1: you delve into that a little different now?
Speaker 4: I don't want to delve into no portals, into pine barons.
Speaker 4: I don't want to go in there and not come back.
Speaker 4: I paler but creepy. I live right, I'm in the
Speaker 4: pine barrens. I'm not in the thicket of it, let's
Speaker 4: put it that way. But the pine barrens are so
Speaker 4: there's something about them. They're just it's creepy, you know,
Speaker 4: when you start getting into the thickness of it, the
Speaker 4: pine trees, and then you've got these scrub trees that
Speaker 4: are real low and it's like a thicket. It's almost
Speaker 4: like walking through Oh gosh, I don't know if you
Speaker 4: know what creep and juniper is it's that groundcover that's
Speaker 4: really sticky. It's like an evergreen tree, but it's those
Speaker 4: briars and just all this other stuff. But there's a
Speaker 4: whole creepy feeling about this. And it's all like I
Speaker 4: want to say, lower Mid Jersey down all on the
Speaker 4: east coast, so it goes all the way down to
Speaker 4: the South Jersey. And this is, of course where they
Speaker 4: filmed thirteen what do you call it Friday at thirteen
Speaker 4: Crank Camp, Crystal Lake and that all that's here, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: well not the camp, but you know camp similar to it,
Speaker 4: and it's just creepy. And I've been here in the
Speaker 4: past couple of weeks. All of a sudden, I see
Speaker 4: these little news articles and they're weird the way they
Speaker 4: pop up, because it's you know, like when you open
Speaker 4: your computer you got Bing or you got Microsoft or whatever,
Speaker 4: they'll show you news and it's all these ads and
Speaker 4: things when you first open it up. Of course most
Speaker 4: of them have it right, so it's in one of that,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, what do you mean? Portals and the
Speaker 4: pine barrens, And then all of a sudden, something else
Speaker 4: on another device somewhere else, or I'm over hearing a
Speaker 4: conversation about the Jersey Devil. All of these things about
Speaker 4: the Pine barrens the past three weeks have been finding
Speaker 4: my ears or my eyes and I'm not looking for it.
Speaker 4: And I just think that's so weird. And I've not
Speaker 4: heard anybody talk about I've heard people talk about portals
Speaker 4: in the forest, but nothing specific to Pine barrens. Now me.
Speaker 4: I'm not a big Jersey Devil person. It was one
Speaker 4: of those. When I first heard it, I was like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm not, you know, it was just one of those
Speaker 4: and I rarely do that, you know. I mean I
Speaker 4: always put it on the shelf and always be like
Speaker 4: a possibility. But let's admit it, summer on. You know,
Speaker 4: that dusty, dark shelf that you probably never going to read.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like we're He's like, okay, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to quite mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, just
Speaker 4: it's there just in case you aon need to knock
Speaker 4: the dust off it, because that's happened. That's right. But
Speaker 4: thirteen kids and the last one was cursed, And you know,
Speaker 4: I think there's probably some truth somewhere in there. There's
Speaker 4: a nugget of truth. There was probably a lady that lived,
Speaker 4: you know, in a really whirl cabin way in the
Speaker 4: back and had a bunch of kids, you know, something
Speaker 4: along those lines. Because most of these stories and stuff like,
Speaker 4: there's one famous one, I won't say the name. There's
Speaker 4: mostly had something to do with it. Witch. No, there
Speaker 4: was no witch. There was no witch. It wasn't hunged,
Speaker 4: wasn't you know? She was probably the lady that made
Speaker 4: some merble tea. You know, she actually lived. There was
Speaker 4: a person that had that name. But none of the
Speaker 4: other stuff is true. Everything else is built off of it.
Speaker 4: And then you've got these wonderful stories with so much
Speaker 4: fact and so many witnesses and so much that you
Speaker 4: can prove, and people don't believe them. I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: But to me, that's that's the one with Jersey Devil.
Speaker 4: If there's something out there, what the hell will be
Speaker 4: living that long that looks like that that supposedly flies,
Speaker 4: you know, Is it possible? Sure, it's possible. Do I
Speaker 4: think it was a cursed child that the mom said,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna give this one to
Speaker 4: the devil, and it shot out of her and went
Speaker 4: up the fireplace and lived out in the pine barrens
Speaker 4: by itself a baby, I don't care if it's a
Speaker 4: faro baby with fangs and hooks and all kinds of
Speaker 4: it's not going to survive the pine barons without some help.
Speaker 4: You know. It had to have been supernatural crazy before
Speaker 4: it got here. It just doesn't make any sense to me,
Speaker 4: you know, big, But I got no problem with dog men,
Speaker 4: no problem. You know. If you told me the government
Speaker 4: made flying babies that flew up fireplace, I probably believe that.
Speaker 4: But I just don't think that. I don't know. It
Speaker 4: sounds a little crazy. That's saying something.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys in the pine barons
Speaker 1: and what's happening and are people walking through them or
Speaker 1: people disappearing?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I couldn't get any I couldn't get
Speaker 4: any It's like it's just like these little there's not
Speaker 4: even really.
Speaker 2: With the traffic report.
Speaker 4: People talking about it and then oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's portals opening in the pine barns, So be
Speaker 1: careful on your way to work, everybody.
Speaker 2: I think we lost Cisco. She'll be back.
Speaker 3: Sorry. I was just preparing a kitty formula to do.
Speaker 3: Get ready to do my nightly feeding here.
Speaker 1: So but anyway, yeah, just so, must have hit the
Speaker 1: wrong button and she'll be back with us in a moment.
Speaker 3: Good good, I mean, this has been such an interesting conversation.
Speaker 3: I love hearing her experiences and yours too, and so
Speaker 3: I'm just happy to be here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm so good time.
Speaker 3: Well, we're waiting on her. What's coming up new for you,
Speaker 3: ste besides besides a baby?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the baby's occupying everything right now. I've always got
Speaker 1: new videos coming on missing persons and mysteries and on tails,
Speaker 1: I'm told. And then this show is weekly, and I've
Speaker 1: got another book I'm working on. This will be my
Speaker 1: twenty first one. And there she is. She's back.
Speaker 2: Okay, there she is. He's wrong. Fell through a portal.
Speaker 4: There she is. I touched my phone and I went
Speaker 4: to a portal. Here I am again. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know the stories. They really don't have a lot of
Speaker 4: information in them. And there was a couple places I
Speaker 4: can look and dig up and get some more I
Speaker 4: need to find out. But I started I dig in,
Speaker 4: and what happened was I started finding missing people in
Speaker 4: the pine barrens. And that's when I found that story
Speaker 4: and those two people that went missing on their RV
Speaker 4: and they were found. I wish I could remember their
Speaker 4: names and stuff like that, Steve, but I just found
Speaker 4: it this morning. I think I sent it over to you.
Speaker 4: It's a very strange story, apparently, very well like couple,
Speaker 4: nothing strange. They weren't, you know, cooking meth in the
Speaker 4: parlor or nothing, and apparently and they weren't doing any
Speaker 4: other kind of weird chicanery shady stuff. And they were
Speaker 4: just a nice talk over the fence neighbors and lived
Speaker 4: out there part of the Pine Barons anyway, enough to
Speaker 4: have RVs to go out into. And that was one
Speaker 4: of the things they did when it go out for
Speaker 4: a ride around. I don't know what they were going
Speaker 4: to see, but they did it often. And they went
Speaker 4: out this one night and that was it. They weren't
Speaker 4: seen again, and I think that they I think I
Speaker 4: recall in the story that they had not told anybody
Speaker 4: exactly where they were going. So it was about four
Speaker 4: days after they didn't come back where people just started,
Speaker 4: you know, wonder what.
Speaker 1: Happens in a lot of these disappearances. People don't leave
Speaker 1: their itinerary. Anybody just suddenly go somewhere. That's that's literally
Speaker 1: like looking for Nila and a haysack if you don't
Speaker 1: even know where to start looking for somebody.
Speaker 4: Goodness, I know, I mean it just and people think
Speaker 4: you're being mean, especially if there's kid, if they're kids,
Speaker 4: Oh mom, you know you don't just slap a GPS
Speaker 4: on the son of a gun on, you know, just
Speaker 4: to be Look, do you know how many stories missing kids, toddlers,
Speaker 4: old people, Alzheimer's, you know, mountain climbers, hikers, blunkers, just
Speaker 4: people going off missing all the time. It doesn't matter rich,
Speaker 4: poor otherwise, especially.
Speaker 3: In this dan age, especially in this dan age, you
Speaker 3: need to have a buddy system where you at least
Speaker 3: reach out to somebody and let them know where you're
Speaker 3: going and who you're with.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, this was they had done it all the time.
Speaker 4: Supposedly they're out there in their own yard. I believe
Speaker 4: they said that they were found. Was it two hundred
Speaker 4: yards from their.
Speaker 2: Home something like that.
Speaker 1: It was fairly close and it was an area of
Speaker 1: previously searched that happens.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's why I had to send it to you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, here we go again, and now it's happening
Speaker 4: out here. I'm sure people have.
Speaker 2: Been going belong to people and then bring them back.
Speaker 1: It's like taunting those search and rescue people like, ha ha,
Speaker 1: here they are where you've already looked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and they've gotten so with I'm going to
Speaker 4: be honest people, I'm telling you, we've gotten so used
Speaker 4: to this. We've been conditioned to believe that if it's happening,
Speaker 4: we're going to hear it on the news. If it's happened,
Speaker 4: and we're going to hear it, read it the paper,
Speaker 4: if it's you know whatever, and that doesn't necessarily happen,
Speaker 4: and I'll give you an instant movie that will tell
Speaker 4: you exactly how it goes down Jaws. Because anything that
Speaker 4: happens in a coastal town and tourism depends on it,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna hear about it. I don't care how
Speaker 4: many people get robbed or pickpocketed on the boardwalk or
Speaker 4: something happens or shark, you know whatever. I've seen all
Speaker 4: kinds of stuff go down and have anything on the
Speaker 4: news about it.
Speaker 1: So or feral people or UFOs or a cult or
Speaker 1: whatever taking people out of the National Park.
Speaker 2: You're not going to hear about it.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna hear about it.
Speaker 1: Pigeon Forge, all those places would be a ghost out Kevin.
Speaker 4: Lake, I mean, yeah, so many, so many.
Speaker 3: That's true, That is so true. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 3: so much that's not being shared. But it's because they
Speaker 3: want to keep people going and the herd mentality and
Speaker 3: want to it's all manipulation and control. You know what,
Speaker 3: if what epps were e supposed to be truly what
Speaker 3: they are, that they're not just what IPPs, then they
Speaker 3: wouldn't have the control that they are.
Speaker 4: Trying to keep yep. And granted some people know it
Speaker 4: and do it anyway. Like I mean, if you don't
Speaker 4: know sharks are in the water, I don't know what
Speaker 4: tell you. But they're not.
Speaker 1: Telling where the guy took his kayak and went up
Speaker 1: that creek where the stuff that happened that inspired the
Speaker 1: book Jaws happened.
Speaker 2: I sent your video.
Speaker 4: Yeah you did, yeah that nineteen sixteen. Yeah it happened
Speaker 4: right out here in front of us, right here, and.
Speaker 2: That was creepy man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tunnel bridge things and stuff and thinking, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: if there was a shark that swam up in there
Speaker 1: at some point what would keep on from swimming up there?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 1: Do they have a net or no sharks allowed sign?
Speaker 1: How did they prevent that from happening these days?
Speaker 4: It's exactly what they did. As soon as they put
Speaker 4: up the no sharks allowed signs, everything stopped. They know
Speaker 4: how to read. Uh. I actually heard a lady. We
Speaker 4: had a lady that called in and everybody's going to
Speaker 4: think it's fake, what it really wasn't. And she called
Speaker 4: in and she was one of these radio shows out here,
Speaker 4: you know, in the morning show, morning whatever, and they
Speaker 4: she called up and she was mad because I'm sorry, Lynn,
Speaker 4: but she had hit a deer and she was angry
Speaker 4: about it. And she said, we need to put the
Speaker 4: deer cross inside in a much better place because the
Speaker 4: deer shouldn't be able to cross here where so many
Speaker 4: cars go. Why can't we put the deer deer crossed
Speaker 4: and signs of it. This was slower traffic area, but
Speaker 4: she was serious. And the morning, Yeah, it was really
Speaker 4: funny because it went, it went all the way to
Speaker 4: Borrow up to New York and stuff like that. Because
Speaker 4: when you're in Jersey, New York, you know, everything kind
Speaker 4: of bleeds into each other. When it comes to New
Speaker 4: York stations and things like that, rock and roll stations
Speaker 4: and stuff. So they yeah, And they at first thought
Speaker 4: she was kiddened it was satire or parody or something,
Speaker 4: but she was dead serious. And she didn't even understand
Speaker 4: that unless they were really punk. She didn't even understand
Speaker 4: what they were why they were asking her so many
Speaker 4: questions about it. She's like, I just think that they should.
Speaker 4: I mean, don't our tax dollars pay for that? Who
Speaker 4: do we get hold of? Do we get hold of
Speaker 4: the you know, the city? Or I'm tired of these deer?
Speaker 4: That movie's signs, Oh, it was funny, don't well.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what I I'm used to South
Speaker 3: Carob speaking of deer, I'm used to South Carolina deer.
Speaker 3: I have never seen deer like the kind they had
Speaker 3: in Virginia. I thought it was a horse laying in
Speaker 3: the road. The thing was so thick it was a
Speaker 3: it was a stag. So yeah, yeah, did they need
Speaker 3: to put monster like they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, you need to move on.
Speaker 3: Who knew?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's sad. I mean, you know it's sad for
Speaker 4: them too. You think that they can put something on
Speaker 4: the cars or some some kind of an echo I
Speaker 4: don't know, vibe or frequency that goes out that, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can get that those little noise makers
Speaker 1: that supposedly frightened animals away.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think the animals will come to see what
Speaker 1: all the racket is.
Speaker 4: I agree, maybe so, or maybe it was just a
Speaker 4: deer that just you know, had enough, you know. I
Speaker 4: mean it's got to be rough, you know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just think it's sad. I always feel so bad
Speaker 4: for animals who have had to adjust their lives so
Speaker 4: much around our you know, our encroachment. Yeah, I was, yeah,
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, O, our grotesque, you know, materialistic bullshit.
Speaker 4: But you know, I've got eagles right to my left,
Speaker 4: right now where I'm sitting, I've got eagles to my left,
Speaker 4: probably about a block away in a cell tower. They
Speaker 4: got a nest in a cell tower, Okay, which is
Speaker 4: so sad. And I've watch the raccoons, you know, they've
Speaker 4: they've got become amazing. They've learned how to do so
Speaker 4: much stuff. I mean, people have to put locks on
Speaker 4: the garbage cans, and they figure the locks out, you know,
Speaker 4: the open gates you know, they'll come here and unhook
Speaker 4: my bird feeders and just hand it down to the
Speaker 4: next raccoon and just opened it up and need it all.
Speaker 2: And that's why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the next day it looks like I candy bars
Speaker 4: going all the way up down my driveway because they
Speaker 4: ate so much bird seed. The their poop looks like
Speaker 4: the snick of zagnut bars or something. I mean bird seeds, really,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's going up, so you can't. I've
Speaker 4: done all kinds of things. I've hooked them, I've wired them,
Speaker 4: and they sit there, they figure it out. They're gonna
Speaker 4: get it. You can't put a sue out here. They'll
Speaker 4: take the sewet feeder. One night they just broke the
Speaker 4: branch off the tree. Took the whole day of thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't I was like five stars, five stars.
Speaker 4: I gave them five stars view. I mean that was
Speaker 4: just okay, I got a hand it to you. You know,
Speaker 4: that's I'm not buying any more suit. But I got
Speaker 4: a hand it to you. That was a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wired it so good that they couldn't figure how
Speaker 4: to get it off. So they just broke off the
Speaker 4: branch and I was like, power to you man.
Speaker 2: You know the Braccoon's part.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling that's you know, but look, they've had
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, yeah, you know. I mean you drive down
Speaker 3: the road and you might see a deer, you know,
Speaker 3: watch for deer sign. And they're literally standing on the
Speaker 3: side of the interstate with their babies eating. You know,
Speaker 3: they're not afraid of the lights anymore. They're not even
Speaker 3: afraid of a tooting horn. And then eventually they decided
Speaker 3: to walk in the road.
Speaker 4: I hate to see it. Love in my yard. I
Speaker 4: get him in my yard once in a while. I
Speaker 4: see him going around and I watched him eat one
Speaker 4: of my trees and I didn't even care. I was
Speaker 4: just so glad. I'm an idiot that's going around the
Speaker 4: next day going we're going to get an apple block,
Speaker 4: you know, to put it out there. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: just we got to take care of it, you know,
Speaker 4: we got to take care of nature. And I think
Speaker 4: I think all this stuff we're talking about is just
Speaker 4: as natural. And that's what gets me to be I
Speaker 4: watch people get so upset about all because you don't
Speaker 4: People are upset and scared of what they don't understand.
Speaker 4: I get that, totally get it. And there's such a
Speaker 4: realm in this paranormal I mean, you could go everything
Speaker 4: from the Jersey Devil and again, just because I don't
Speaker 4: believe the the origin story of the Jersey Devil, you know,
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean I don't believe in curses. It doesn't
Speaker 4: mean I don't believe that something like that, you know,
Speaker 4: anything like that could be out in the woods. Look,
Speaker 4: there's all kinds of shit out there. I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, there's some stuff.
Speaker 1: All kinds of there's all kinds of any idea about
Speaker 1: there's probably another half does and that people haven't run
Speaker 1: into yet.
Speaker 4: A thousand times more than the you know, the devil,
Speaker 4: whatever this thing is. I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 4: how old. That story is supposed to go way back
Speaker 4: with like what fifteen sixteen hundred or something, So I mean,
Speaker 4: in what in what world? You know? Now, that's what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. That does doesn't make sense to me. There'd
Speaker 4: be one creature for all that amount of time, and
Speaker 4: wouldn't it just get Look, I take my words for it, folks,
Speaker 4: it'd get tired of Jersey the first century. You know,
Speaker 4: it'd be gone, you know, it would be out there
Speaker 4: doing something else. You be out in Hawaii having a
Speaker 4: good time. I don't know. I'm just saying, why there?
Speaker 4: You know, now, is there something there? A creature of
Speaker 4: some sort, is probably dog men out there, bigfoots.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of stuff, Like you said, there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of shit in the pine bears. I've heard stories
Speaker 1: out there. The guy that found a pizza in a
Speaker 1: box out there, and that was the same guy that
Speaker 1: observed somebody wearing only a cloud mask and tube sox
Speaker 1: picking his way through the brier patch. But he said
Speaker 1: that was the story for another time, so I never
Speaker 1: did get to hear that one.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. Also one of my favor that's just my
Speaker 4: absolute favorite story, that the guy in the tube sox
Speaker 4: and the climb picking his way very very gingerly through
Speaker 4: the brier patch. Bety was, Betty Was, because I'll tell
Speaker 4: you that stuff's about waste tie. You know that it's
Speaker 4: it's a thick. It's really strange. It it's almost like
Speaker 4: a like if you said, if I said the word
Speaker 4: scrub pine to you, that gives you a visual of
Speaker 4: just some really gnarly, short, little bushy kind of that's
Speaker 4: what it's like. Mixed in with briers.
Speaker 2: Is not something I'd want to run barrassed. That's just
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 4: And this couple one that we talked about that went
Speaker 4: miss and was found side by side, okay, and if
Speaker 4: I recall correctly, not far from their RV, that hadn't
Speaker 4: to my knowledge, anything wrong with it, out of gas
Speaker 4: or otherwise. I didn't hear, you know, the RV. And
Speaker 4: they're laying there side by side, like you said, Steve,
Speaker 4: in a place that had been searched before several times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just doesn't make any sense, but yet it happens,
Speaker 1: and that happens often.
Speaker 4: And this was I think twenty Do you recall the date, Steve.
Speaker 4: It was twenty two, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I think it's the least maybe
Speaker 4: a year, maybe twenty one, somewhe around two years maybe, i'go.
Speaker 4: And I never heard a word about it, Never heard
Speaker 4: a word about here. I'm sitting right here, my you know,
Speaker 4: my county, my police, my search and rescue, all of
Speaker 4: that right here. Never heard a word about it. Just
Speaker 4: this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You think they'd come around and say, folks, there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of shit out there. Be careful if you're going
Speaker 1: into the woods, let somebody know where you going, when
Speaker 1: you're going to be back, take something with you and
Speaker 1: be careful.
Speaker 4: But I'm not going to do it. And how many people?
Speaker 1: Until dozens of people? And then maybe we should check
Speaker 1: into that. Maybe we should warn the people here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to have them check in with somebody like
Speaker 3: every forty five minutes er hour, just to make sure,
Speaker 3: you know, so at least they have a time frame
Speaker 3: of where their last you know, if they're hiking in
Speaker 3: the woods, what marker or what you know, type thing
Speaker 3: that they maybe near, so that if they do disappear,
Speaker 3: they have a you know, a closer starting point to
Speaker 3: where the incident occurred.
Speaker 4: Well, that would make too much damn sense, because look
Speaker 4: how many shows of Steve done on missing persons, and
Speaker 4: one after the other after and some of them shows
Speaker 4: got five, ten, fifteen people in them, Steve them all.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, compilations there's ten or twelve.
Speaker 4: We can't just go by the amount of video. And
Speaker 4: this man's been doing it for a long time and
Speaker 4: you're not the only one so and and y'all might
Speaker 4: not match up on every case either. So imagine the
Speaker 4: amount of this type of thing happening and nobody is
Speaker 4: telling you. And I'm sitting here telling you as a
Speaker 4: coastal town. You know, Jaws, they're not gonna tell you that.
Speaker 4: Sharks and dagon they're gonna open the beaches and you're
Speaker 4: I'm telling you it's gonna happen. It's seen to happen.
Speaker 4: I've seen gone through hurricanes where they said, you know, oh,
Speaker 4: didn't lose anybody, We only lost one hundred people. And
Speaker 4: you know, daggone, well you saw five six hundred, you
Speaker 4: know your very own eyes, time after time after time
Speaker 4: after time, and not just here. So when you hear
Speaker 4: it happen somewhere else, you're more likely to go mm hmm. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've seen it happen here. So when somebody like Elijah
Speaker 4: Steve and I had I remember little Elijah, uh Steve,
Speaker 4: it comes on after from a long uh long beat.
Speaker 4: What's it called again? Land between the Lakes? Right, Land
Speaker 4: between the Lakes, which is there right.
Speaker 2: Aft sister Gamby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry, yes, Tennessee. Yeah, So it's Kentucky Tennessee
Speaker 4: border pretty much right there. And I mean just one
Speaker 4: after the other after the other dog men, bigfoot sightings,
Speaker 4: okay from reputable people, you know, retired police officers couldn't
Speaker 4: tell it until they were out, you know. Just the
Speaker 4: list goes on and on. Stephen can back me on that.
Speaker 4: So all these people are having all these experiences and
Speaker 4: the park covering it up, you know, name name when
Speaker 4: it isn't. I mean, how many people go missing at
Speaker 4: a you know, some of these other bigger parks, you know,
Speaker 4: in it's.
Speaker 1: A smaller park than the Great Smoky sees only about
Speaker 1: half the visitors the Great Smoky's, but it's got like
Speaker 1: three times the number of missing people. So there's something
Speaker 1: going on. And you'll send me there's a major cluster there.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then I think the only place they don't have
Speaker 4: them is straight up the middle right stick and they
Speaker 4: probably have them, but not as much, or not the
Speaker 4: same type of clusters or whatever. I don't know, but
Speaker 4: you know, again, I understand the people that go like
Speaker 4: that young man who was that actor that just went
Speaker 4: up the mountain? I think he went on my January fourteenth.
Speaker 2: On my birthday, Julian sayds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't find anything nefarious about that.
Speaker 4: I think the man just went up there and got
Speaker 4: in deeper and he thought something happened, you know, equipment malfunction,
Speaker 4: he malfunctioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was up on Mount Baldy. But I will
Speaker 1: tell you that's a weird place. There's a full pipe
Speaker 1: up there for use for irrigation purposes. But I've been
Speaker 1: up there back in the seventies skateboarding in it, and
Speaker 1: we spent the night up there. We got caught up
Speaker 1: there and couldn't get a hitchhike back down. And there's
Speaker 1: all We heard all kinds of stuff up there, talking
Speaker 1: and laughing and stuff. And as far as I know,
Speaker 1: we were the only ones up there. So there's there's
Speaker 1: a storage that's on Mountain Baldy.
Speaker 4: Yep. You know, I think just about anywhere pick spot
Speaker 4: that isn't you know? Here I am. I've got this
Speaker 4: woman babies flying up fireplaces and stuff. Again, there is
Speaker 4: a legend everywhere. I don't get it. While you got
Speaker 4: to make stuff up when there's so much other shit
Speaker 4: going on, it's you know, And again there could very
Speaker 4: well be a creature out there and got himself a
Speaker 4: cabin we've never bumped into. You know that could be,
Speaker 4: could be invisible. I don't know, you know, but what's
Speaker 4: it doing out there since you know fifteen hundred and whatever?
Speaker 4: You know, is it breeding with it? And if it is,
Speaker 4: was it breeding with the Chihuahwa next noise?
Speaker 2: I think it's time and waiting for its next unsuspecting victim?
Speaker 4: Is that what's happening? The clown mask was accompliced. The guy,
Speaker 4: the naked guy in the cloud masking tube, SOX is like,
Speaker 4: you know, it's his, his renfield. Now there's a leaden
Speaker 4: rock there. A little bit more work we can make
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 1: You can't even make stuff like that up. I mean,
Speaker 1: you hear some of the weirdest stories about places like that.
Speaker 1: You don't have to make anything the stuff that normal
Speaker 1: people tell you.
Speaker 4: That's what I like that. And on top of that,
Speaker 4: you know they say that that's that's the number, like
Speaker 4: we always used to joke to because I was raised
Speaker 4: that family. I told you where I went to stay with,
Speaker 4: very Italian, very Jersey Italian, and that world was opened
Speaker 4: up to me. So that that dinner table talk was
Speaker 4: interesting because you have both sides of it. And I'm
Speaker 4: out here in high school and I was in it
Speaker 4: let me tell you something. Rocky came out, good lord,
Speaker 4: I mean just all kinds of you know, and it
Speaker 4: was all this underlying you know, the you know what,
Speaker 4: the pine bears, that's where they up all the bodies,
Speaker 4: you know, and the meadowlands and that's where they double
Speaker 4: all every Listen, there's got to be a lot of
Speaker 4: bodies because they probably were buried everywhere, you know, band
Speaker 4: dunes and you know, you got if any if anybody
Speaker 4: ever saw Boardwalk Empire, which is a great series by
Speaker 4: the way, just a fantastically done series, but it had
Speaker 4: Steve Bessemian and the whole thing is he was playing
Speaker 4: uh oh, what's his name? Uh Nutley, Natsi, Nutsy, Oh, Nukie,
Speaker 4: Nucky Nuckie, what's his face? From Atlantic City Back in
Speaker 4: the day when it was just coming up. You know,
Speaker 4: it was nothing but sand, you know, and they put
Speaker 4: in the first hotels and stuff. Listen, the hotels in
Speaker 4: the gambling places like that. All that happened before the
Speaker 4: boardwalk because right around before, right before he got involved,
Speaker 4: there was no boardwalk. The boardwalk was put in there
Speaker 4: because people kept dragging the sand and of the hotels.
Speaker 4: So somebody came up with the idea. I think it
Speaker 4: was there. It was either I know it wasn't Asbury.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure it was Atlantic City. Somebody can correct
Speaker 4: me on it. But they came up with the idea
Speaker 4: putting boards out with the spacemen between them so the
Speaker 4: sand would fall down, and they went the other way,
Speaker 4: like from the beach into the hotel. And then eventually
Speaker 4: somebody decided to turn sideways and make it walk in
Speaker 4: front of all of them. So that was kind of cool,
Speaker 4: and that's how you got your boardwalk.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the origin story the boardwalk there, but
Speaker 1: that's fascinating and it makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's simple, just something simple, and eventually it got
Speaker 4: lifted up because you know, the they were learning the
Speaker 4: tides and the tables, and you know, things sorted itself
Speaker 4: out by the time you got to where Nukie and
Speaker 4: all them were, you know, really starting to kick in
Speaker 4: with the you know, all of that politics and gambling
Speaker 4: and blackmailing and chicanery and you know, organized crime and stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, it's wild to think of it as nothing
Speaker 4: but some sand dunes and a lot of wild grass
Speaker 4: and waves and stuff like that. And where I'm at too,
Speaker 4: you know, every single beach here has got its origin,
Speaker 4: you know how it came out. But the biggest ones,
Speaker 4: you know, Asbury Park has got a good one too.
Speaker 4: And it was Asbury Park, everybody's heard of because of
Speaker 4: Springsteen and things like that and Stone Pony. But next
Speaker 4: to that is also Bradley Beach. And Asbury got its
Speaker 4: start because these big wings would come in from New
Speaker 4: York and they go out there and they'd start walking along,
Speaker 4: you know, the ocean and get the ocean air. And
Speaker 4: it was a big deal. That's where they were top
Speaker 4: hats to the beach and women wore at least like
Speaker 4: six skirts and big hats and umbrellas and stuff. But
Speaker 4: he went and he got this idea, and his last
Speaker 4: name was Bradley, and he got the idea that laying
Speaker 4: out with his in quotations in his biography, it actually says,
Speaker 4: man servant, so you know, your milin may vary. And
Speaker 4: they would lay out on the beach naked and taken
Speaker 4: the healing salt air, very much like Ben Franklin would
Speaker 4: take air baths. And he thought it would be a
Speaker 4: wonderful healthy thing. And he said, you know what, when
Speaker 4: we get back into the city, I'm going to buy
Speaker 4: a hotel. I'm going to build a hotel here, and
Speaker 4: we're going to run a like a health spot. And
Speaker 4: that's how it started out. Was all done by you know,
Speaker 4: that kind of thing for the very rich, and of
Speaker 4: course they brought their servants with them and the people
Speaker 4: that worked for them, and that's when all the little
Speaker 4: bungalow houses started around the beach, and that's how all
Speaker 4: of this stuff grew up. And then somehow it got
Speaker 4: turned into the you know, like all touristy and big
Speaker 4: places like these big theme parks and big national parks
Speaker 4: apparently that don't want to tell you that, you know,
Speaker 4: you should bring protection and there's actually stuff in there
Speaker 4: you should work you about, you know. But at this
Speaker 4: point you're going into the woods without telling somebody where
Speaker 4: you are, and you don't have any protection whatsoever, and
Speaker 4: you're not aware or where you're going, you probably didn't go.
Speaker 1: Also, also stories I've heard of like an animal park
Speaker 1: or something up there where they let the animals go,
Speaker 1: and that in the pine barrens too, where there's supposedly
Speaker 1: jungle land or something like that, they close down and
Speaker 1: then they just left all the animals. So there's maybe
Speaker 1: wild animals remnants up there running around eating people.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I recall hearing something similar to that, But I'd be
Speaker 4: lying if I said I knew the story. There's been
Speaker 4: so many stories around here. There's just I think what
Speaker 4: it is, Steve, is there's, like I said, there's a
Speaker 4: creepy place that actually feels creepy, not because you've been
Speaker 4: told it's creepy or that something creepy's gone on there.
Speaker 4: You just feel it. You know, these places we walk into,
Speaker 4: we've all done it, and you know, you might be
Speaker 4: riding on the road and feel it. You know, you
Speaker 4: feel it when you're going into Gettysburg, you feel it
Speaker 4: when you're you know all that. So I think there's
Speaker 4: places already feel like that. And then people, you know,
Speaker 4: of course you and I've talked about this too, about
Speaker 4: you know, parents make up stuff. Every culture has got
Speaker 4: him all around the world, the Boogeyman, the the you know,
Speaker 4: name him off. You know, it could be anything, the
Speaker 4: Baba Duke and all these other things. There's all the
Speaker 4: different you know, crampus, and they make up stuff to
Speaker 4: keep kids in line, you know. And I think some
Speaker 4: some old adults are just mean too. They Yeah, like
Speaker 4: you have your old grandfather just you know, you know, hey,
Speaker 4: hey go take the garbage out, you know, don't let
Speaker 4: the you know, bloody bill get you. You know, you
Speaker 4: know that grandpa.
Speaker 2: You know that grandpa, right, buddy bones.
Speaker 4: That's it? Yeah, yeah, I forget. Didn't we talk about
Speaker 4: that not long ago?
Speaker 2: The green eyed woman. I don't know what that was.
Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, don't you go out
Speaker 1: there in the garage and mess around because there's a
Speaker 1: green eyed woman.
Speaker 2: Out there that will get you. And that's really not
Speaker 2: even anything frightening.
Speaker 4: But got a teenage boy, he'd run out there. Yeah, say,
Speaker 4: we got a green issue of Redhead hit me running.
Speaker 4: You know, that would only work till you got out
Speaker 4: of childhood. I think after was something different. That's funny.
Speaker 4: But get scared me when you said it, just the
Speaker 4: way you said it kind of scared me, didn't it
Speaker 4: scare you a little? It's like what green eyed woman?
Speaker 4: I don't want to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, it was waste any time in the garage. Course,
Speaker 1: you know, there was chemicals and gasoline and stuff out
Speaker 1: there that I wasn't supposed to be messing with.
Speaker 2: But that was just a good story. I didn't ask
Speaker 2: her to elaborate. I didn't want to know. That was enough.
Speaker 2: There was a green eyed woman out there, that's it.
Speaker 2: You'd have a garage, I did.
Speaker 4: It's funny. I'm just thinking about the old mean grandfather,
Speaker 4: the grandpa's stuff. You know, that glad to rattle the
Speaker 4: gas cans to make you jump and just laugh. You
Speaker 4: know that kind of guy. You know, that's funny. I'm
Speaker 4: sorry I didn't go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's okay. I was just thinking of
Speaker 3: what you were saying. You know about that again, you know,
Speaker 3: the manipulation and the fear. But you know, thinking about
Speaker 3: some of these things, and I don't know a lot
Speaker 3: about the area that you were talking about, but even
Speaker 3: in general, with some of the parks and things like
Speaker 3: that where people disappear, I mean, some of these things,
Speaker 3: like even Bigfoot, they manipulate the dimensions and the veils,
Speaker 3: and they use portals sometimes where they exit from here
Speaker 3: and then turn to somewhere else, and they can grab
Speaker 3: people and take them through the portals with them, you know,
Speaker 3: and could be a reason why, you know, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, they've searched this area and now all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, these bodies show up because they threw them
Speaker 3: back out of the portals, back into this dimension.
Speaker 4: And I believe it. I believe it. I believe it.
Speaker 4: I believe they take them up, they take them through,
Speaker 4: they take them down and take him in out sideways.
Speaker 4: I mean, is it not true, Steve? I mean, we've
Speaker 4: got we've got accounts of people being taken up. You
Speaker 4: can hear the wind as their cell phone falls away
Speaker 4: and breaks or whatever. You know, you know what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about, Steve, Where they say it was such a
Speaker 4: wind and you can almost hear this like they were
Speaker 4: talking on the phone or it recorded when it was doing.
Speaker 4: You know, he's talking to a voicemail so recorded on
Speaker 4: their side and they can hear it. It's just there's
Speaker 4: and this something else that intrigues me too, is this
Speaker 4: sound of the metal trap closing. Yeah, you know you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Steve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard stories of that. I've heard more than one.
Speaker 1: Fund in the woods. Myself, I had some some missing
Speaker 1: time that went along with that as a teenager. But
Speaker 1: there's something out there.
Speaker 3: There is There was recently some people that were doing
Speaker 3: investigations out and I think it was a Skinwalker Ranch area,
Speaker 3: and they were taking a picture of something and somehow
Speaker 3: or he was taking a picture of a person or
Speaker 3: a selfie of himself or something, and there was nothing
Speaker 3: around him, but he could feel that there was something
Speaker 3: around him. And then all of a sudden, when they
Speaker 3: went back and they looked at the picture, this guy
Speaker 3: had on these navigator type sunglasses with the moss on them,
Speaker 3: and you could see the face of Bigfoot in the
Speaker 3: in the lens of his glasses. So yeah, but yet
Speaker 3: there was nothing there. But actually there was something there
Speaker 3: because they were manipulating the veils through the portals. They
Speaker 3: were standing right there. And yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 4: I agree, I saw it. I agree. And again it's
Speaker 4: it's almost like you're thinking of it's just the formula,
Speaker 4: you know, it's the reflection back and you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like almost three times. Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: mean like you're catching in between the dimensions there or something.
Speaker 4: It's it's very intriguing. Yeah, they're right there in a
Speaker 4: lot of cases. Yes, I believe that.
Speaker 3: Like you said, I mean, there's so much more to
Speaker 3: it that we just don't know, and we won't know
Speaker 3: probably until you know, we we cross over or the
Speaker 3: things are finally exposed or acknowledged and more people come together.
Speaker 3: And you know, with this dimensional shift that we're going
Speaker 3: through right now, that's elevating the energies to the fifth
Speaker 3: versus the third, a lot of these portals and these
Speaker 3: these ways that they travel are going to start to
Speaker 3: be exposed.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep. And I hope the uh, Steve, and I've
Speaker 4: always hoped that they never catch them, never get caught.
Speaker 4: Never there's something, there's a there's something in place that's
Speaker 4: just not going to allow it in some way or another,
Speaker 4: at least not yet for whatever reason. And I hope not.
Speaker 4: And I'm one hundred percent convinced and have most of
Speaker 4: my life been convinced through more of the Native American
Speaker 4: kind of belief and not just like from one place,
Speaker 4: but you know, it started with my grandmother, little bits
Speaker 4: here and there, but picking it up and then that
Speaker 4: intriguing my inswers, so of course I'm going to pick
Speaker 4: them up in other places too. About I absolutely believe
Speaker 4: there's more than one kind when you're talking about and
Speaker 4: I think the difference between the two types, if not
Speaker 4: more at the very least two types, would be the
Speaker 4: difference between a wolf and a German shepherd. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: definitely can catch my dress. Yes, more domestic, more, more acclimated, more,
Speaker 4: you know, probably could if they wanted to go, you
Speaker 4: know whatever. And I think the others are can be
Speaker 4: protectors and also predators, you know, so again you've got
Speaker 4: split groups in those just like us, just like what
Speaker 4: you know. Doesn't that make sense, Steve? I mean just
Speaker 4: like why you know? And I think that causes all
Speaker 4: of the you know, the tension into you know, people
Speaker 4: trying to sort it too, because you know, if we
Speaker 4: can't just accept the fact that we don't have all
Speaker 4: the answers, and if we widen that that space, it's
Speaker 4: like when you move up to your your your forty
Speaker 4: thousand foot view, you can get a much better view.
Speaker 4: And then if you can do that around people that
Speaker 4: can actually talk about stuff and not worry so much
Speaker 4: about you know, my story is bigger than your story,
Speaker 4: or I know, my ability is more. Okay, Look, it
Speaker 4: takes a village, you know. Do you want to leave
Speaker 4: here with a little bit more answers and maybe have
Speaker 4: it a little easier on the other side, or get
Speaker 4: to the other side, or maybe not getting here stuck
Speaker 4: or maybe not, or maybe being able to help a
Speaker 4: situation that you're in or some a loved one is in,
Speaker 4: or whatever, just just to expand your thinking, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe not be so close book about it. You know,
Speaker 4: Steve and I have had guests and stuff. We've just
Speaker 4: you know, God bless them. But because you're being polite
Speaker 4: and you've invite them to your house, so you and
Speaker 4: they are absolutely free for any way they want to
Speaker 4: think upside down on the other but they're on the
Speaker 4: other side and they're a whole hog on something completely
Speaker 4: that you sorted twenty five years ago. But you have
Speaker 4: to let them do it, not only because it's the
Speaker 4: right thing to do, because they have every right to
Speaker 4: feel and say how they want to feel. But they're
Speaker 4: not going to convince you, you know. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I started this whole thing with, like, please don't tell
Speaker 4: me ghost to made of green jello, because I know better.
Speaker 4: You know, you're welcome to your green jellal chocolate pudding,
Speaker 4: vanilla sprinkles. I don't care what you're doing over there,
Speaker 4: you know, but if you're coming over here, you know,
Speaker 4: everybody here is in a different part of consciousness and
Speaker 4: we're all just trying to gather data, put it on
Speaker 4: our shelves, and we can sort it as we need
Speaker 4: to be later on.
Speaker 1: There's so many different things. Back in college, I took
Speaker 1: it class and critical thinking, and the professor was like,
Speaker 1: how can we prove the pigs don't fly? And somebody
Speaker 1: was like, well, you take them up on a cliff
Speaker 1: and you throw them off, And he said, you didn't
Speaker 1: didn't prove that they couldn't fly. You just proved that
Speaker 1: they didn't fly. Maybe they can fly and they chose
Speaker 1: not to fly. So you know with those kind of
Speaker 1: arguencies that you can't prove any of this stuff those
Speaker 1: and even at the end it was like, well all
Speaker 1: you prove was that particular pig chose not to fly.
Speaker 1: You still hadn't didn't prove that he couldn't fly. So again,
Speaker 1: it's just it's the same with his ghosts. It's not
Speaker 1: a one size fits all, And yes, your mileage will
Speaker 1: vary considerably.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and it's all. And I think it's even deeper,
Speaker 4: because why not. I think it's more complex than we
Speaker 4: could ever know and more simplistic than we could ever understand.
Speaker 4: And if we can find a happy medium between there
Speaker 4: and just let it be and just instead of fighting
Speaker 4: against it kind of you know, wow, that was cool.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe that butterfly was Uncle Frank. I'm going
Speaker 4: to say it was why not whistle along? You know,
Speaker 4: my merry way? Who did I hurt? You know? And
Speaker 4: maybe I thought of Uncle Frank and he smiled wherever
Speaker 4: he may be. You know, my thinking is different than
Speaker 4: some other people's because I think that's possible. And not
Speaker 4: only do I think it's possible, I think it's probable.
Speaker 4: You know, yep, totally totally agree.
Speaker 3: I mean my I've made mention too, you know, with
Speaker 3: people making packed with their loved ones even after they've
Speaker 3: passed because they can hear you, and you know, and
Speaker 3: showing up. My sister leaves feathers and she shows up
Speaker 3: as dragonflies, so you're bringing up the dragonflies and sometimes
Speaker 3: she flies with my sister. She's one's blue eyed, one's
Speaker 3: green eyed, and they always show up, one green one,
Speaker 3: one blue one. My mother leaves hair, So you know,
Speaker 3: all of that is possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's his individual as they are and as we are,
Speaker 4: because I do believe that that energy that we were
Speaker 4: talking about before about think about that, folks. You know,
Speaker 4: I've got friends, dear friends and acquaintances throughout my life
Speaker 4: that were remote viewers, and I used to sit and
Speaker 4: and something. I want to say the natives that I've
Speaker 4: had the chance to talk to about this in my lifetime.
Speaker 4: I don't want to single out anyone probe because at
Speaker 4: this point everybody's kind of mixed anyway when it comes
Speaker 4: to thoughts, and you know, there are some that are
Speaker 4: only held by Navajo and some that are only you know,
Speaker 4: more traditional to this tribe or that. But with these people,
Speaker 4: it was all it's how. It's not so much you're
Speaker 4: manifesting it yourself, because there are going to be things
Speaker 4: that are what they are no matter what you think
Speaker 4: or feel. But how your journey is your choice. We
Speaker 4: all go about it a little different because we all
Speaker 4: go about life a little different, even though we all
Speaker 4: pretty much want the same thing, and we all go
Speaker 4: about fighting through it, you know, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 4: for a lot of different reasons. You know, culture and
Speaker 4: time and you know just so much going on around you.
Speaker 4: What were you born into? You just think about you
Speaker 4: ever thought about how different your life could be if
Speaker 4: you're just born in another zip code or in another
Speaker 4: country or another I mean, wow, wow, I mean I
Speaker 4: think about or another way. Yeah yeah, And how quickly
Speaker 4: you can change it too, and by doing this the opposite,
Speaker 4: say you're in a bad situation or you know, people
Speaker 4: don't often think about that where it was always so
Speaker 4: easy for me because my mom moved around a lot
Speaker 4: when I was a kid. So got in my blood,
Speaker 4: you know, very nobody kind of gypsy kind of you know,
Speaker 4: it's like no problem, pick up, go and bloom where
Speaker 4: you're planting, you know, just the way they used to
Speaker 4: do it, you know. And then some people you talk
Speaker 4: to him, lived you're all my life. I heard a
Speaker 4: guy express it the other day. I love the way
Speaker 4: he said, he goes, lived here all my life, boy,
Speaker 4: And man, I loved it. You know. But how different,
Speaker 4: how different the world looks, not better, not not not better,
Speaker 4: not worse, not just different. And it's all about where
Speaker 4: you are and how you perceive where you.
Speaker 1: Are, about the journey and how you adapt to it
Speaker 1: and how you you make of it. Well, was all
Speaker 1: that said. We're almost out of time here, ladies. This
Speaker 1: has been just amazing amount of fun tonight and closing,
Speaker 1: let everybody know what y'all individually have going on and
Speaker 1: where people can find you, and I'll put it in
Speaker 1: the show notes.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, go ahead, Lynn, Well you can find you
Speaker 4: with Cisco on Sundays.
Speaker 3: So as we're doing a series right now, the last
Speaker 3: Sunday of every month. I hope to be on with
Speaker 3: Steve again soon.
Speaker 4: So much fun. It's called tell him what It's called. Lynn.
Speaker 4: We're doing a summer event and it's called come on
Speaker 4: the Show. It's a Sunday nights, eight pm Eastern Time,
Speaker 4: and Lynn and I are doing something all summer we
Speaker 4: did we started. It's called Liberty, Liberty, Revolutionary Wind and
Speaker 4: we're going all the way back to the beginning. And
Speaker 4: we had a wonderful documentary from nineteen ninety seven that
Speaker 4: we were watching. We're watching it live with our chat,
Speaker 4: having a blast in the chat and just everybody throwing
Speaker 4: their ideas and what they thought the stories were, like,
Speaker 4: was George Washington the Cherry Tree true? Or you know
Speaker 4: was that legend? And just all the little things too,
Speaker 4: and about you know, so many interesting things, so many
Speaker 4: beautiful minds and wonderful words that you know, really kind
Speaker 4: of profound today and having a blast, and then we're
Speaker 4: going through Sons of Liberty, and we're going to talk
Speaker 4: about the difference between reality and what actually happened in
Speaker 4: that series and fun with it because it's just such
Speaker 4: a fun, wonderful history series, even though a lot of
Speaker 4: it did happen. And then we're going into what really
Speaker 4: happened in turn with the cop perspiring and all of
Speaker 4: the fantastic spies that General Washington had and how that
Speaker 4: had to do with the birth of this country. So
Speaker 4: we're having a blast with that. We are.
Speaker 3: And also Cisco's always she's amazing and she always puts
Speaker 3: her the twist on it with the little you know,
Speaker 3: some different you know, tapings of different scenarios and things
Speaker 3: that have occurred that she adds in there so that
Speaker 3: people can really get the point and they can really
Speaker 3: really understand it. So I'm having a blast with this.
Speaker 3: I'm so I feel so fortunate that Cisco has invited.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's been so much fun. We're gonna have fun.
Speaker 4: It's been a nice thing to go through the number.
Speaker 4: It doesn't only remind us of history, but we're also
Speaker 4: doing it because we both believe in a lot of
Speaker 4: this isn't getting taught in school. And you know, when
Speaker 4: you go back to the you know, the PBS in
Speaker 4: in the nineties they were kind of still telling the
Speaker 4: truth and we're mucking it up so much. And it's
Speaker 4: good to sit down with the grandkids or some maybe
Speaker 4: watch it or or maybe you or you know, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, you want to look at how the Declaration
Speaker 4: of Independence and you know it's not even called that,
Speaker 4: you know, so go in there and look at that
Speaker 4: and see what's different on that that we've been you know,
Speaker 4: we're used to saying. But go back to that, you
Speaker 4: know that Ben Franklin and what happened there, what did
Speaker 4: he actually do, you know, And how how cool George
Speaker 4: Washington was and how he worked with what he had
Speaker 4: to work with. He adapted and overcame and it really
Speaker 4: had nothing to do with Milton. It had more with endurance,
Speaker 4: belief and an idea that he just would not allow
Speaker 4: to be killed and he you know, and it's amazing
Speaker 4: to see what human beings can do. And I think
Speaker 4: it's very hopeful. So that's what we're doing all summer.
Speaker 4: We're having a blast with it. Come and come and
Speaker 4: do it with us. A Journey through the Gate on
Speaker 4: YouTube Sunday nights and Mondays with Steve. That's what I've
Speaker 4: been doing.
Speaker 1: I'm links in the notes here. Well on behalf of
Speaker 1: Cisco and Lynn and myself. We'll see you a little
Speaker 1: further on down the paranormal trail. Tell your animals way said.
Speaker 2: Hi. Good night, everybody, good night.
Speaker 4: I'm good humans.
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