Speaker 1: Weird things happened in the.
Speaker 2: Weird, weird weird.
Speaker 3: You were giving me the power and I was giving
Speaker 3: it to the triangle, the triad, okay, and they have
Speaker 3: to give the energy back to you to complete, to
Speaker 3: complete the triad, and then Alex show yourself right now.
Speaker 4: Yes, my lord, I'm a wizard.
Speaker 1: You're a wizard. You're a wizard, Harry, Alan, You're a
Speaker 1: I love me Alan, Yeah, I do too. I love you.
Speaker 1: We love you, Alan, Yeah, we do. We're doing an
Speaker 1: episode about Merland. Yeo, Merlin, the Magician, Merlin, the Wizard, Merlin,
Speaker 1: the shape shifter, the prophet, Merlin, the prophet, the seer.
Speaker 5: I saw you're gonna say that.
Speaker 1: I saw you were going to say that too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just saw each other.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we traveled time and space.
Speaker 1: I see you. Yeah, man, I see you.
Speaker 5: I see you too.
Speaker 1: I get it. I get you. I see your deepest desire.
Speaker 1: What is that? What would you say? A seer? It's
Speaker 1: like a diviner. I just I just realized that did
Speaker 1: not make it any easier.
Speaker 5: Like a fortune teller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a future here, yeah, a future seer? Oh well,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: So were you saying seer?
Speaker 4: Like you see your steak or a seer a seer,
Speaker 4: a seer as in the act the the active.
Speaker 1: Act seeing, but also also often wizards or seers are
Speaker 1: depicted as being able to see anything in the past, present,
Speaker 1: or future.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or into the spirit world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or into a vortex and a black hole on
Speaker 1: another planet. So yeah, we're talking about Merlin. Merlin, y'all
Speaker 1: know him, y'all know what's up. Yeah, I've met him,
Speaker 1: you have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw him in the the Disney movie The
Speaker 5: Sword and the Stone, so you met him. His likeness, likeness.
Speaker 5: Also you know what, dude, I'm just gonna say it,
Speaker 5: there's this amazing short series from the nineties called Merlin.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I found that during my research. I've never
Speaker 1: seen it. I watched it on a BBC show I think, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a two part series.
Speaker 1: Is it like a modern Merlin thing or is it like.
Speaker 5: Uh, I don't know, it's like a fantasy like medieval
Speaker 5: times Merlin and King Arthur or what else? Do they
Speaker 5: call her Mordred the Witch or whatever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very cool.
Speaker 5: I didn't have time to watch it for this said,
Speaker 5: I wanted to so bad.
Speaker 1: I have a fun, interesting little way to kick us off, Alex,
Speaker 1: what do you know about Merlin? Uh?
Speaker 5: Little to nothing?
Speaker 1: Okay, good, that's a that's the perfect place for us
Speaker 1: to start, because there might be some people out there
Speaker 1: listening that might you know, they might not know much
Speaker 1: about Merlin.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 1: So this is a this is an interesting thing. You know,
Speaker 1: all sorts of most cultures in the world have like
Speaker 1: a mythology, right, they have a mythology lasting from thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of years you look at like, uh, like
Speaker 1: ancient ancient China, Greece, Egypt, like most of the world
Speaker 1: has a mythology around their like the you know their
Speaker 1: ancient culture. Well, Britain's, England's, the UK whatever that theirs
Speaker 1: was wiped out in war. It was literally all burned
Speaker 1: to the ground, all of it, like their big live
Speaker 1: really what was it called. I forget what it was called,
Speaker 1: but it burned to the ground. It had all their records.
Speaker 1: There was apparently a lasting mythology of Britannia for that
Speaker 1: like dated back thousands of years, just like many other cultures,
Speaker 1: but it was lost to history forever, which is why
Speaker 1: a lot in like the early like eleven hundreds to
Speaker 1: twelve hundreds, when they were like rebuilding their society, and
Speaker 1: such a lot of these like pseudo historians and poets
Speaker 1: and writers. They started releasing this like kind of neo
Speaker 1: mythology of Great Britain, which is super super fascinating to me,
Speaker 1: where it's like I say pseudo history because it's really interesting,
Speaker 1: like a lot of the places and names and battles
Speaker 1: and like a lot of that stuff is legit. A
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff is stuff that actually happened in history,
Speaker 1: but peppered throughout it is like some really deep, wild
Speaker 1: mystical stuff. And one of those amazing mystical things that
Speaker 1: we get from this like pseudo mythology are stories of Merlin,
Speaker 1: which were actually, if you do some serious digging, a
Speaker 1: lot of the stories of Merlin were borrowed from like
Speaker 1: even older Celtic stories, Gaelic stuff like there there are
Speaker 1: kind of it's an arc type that has popped up
Speaker 1: throughout a lot of different mythologies, a lot of different cultures.
Speaker 1: But what was his name, The guy Geoffrey of Monmouth
Speaker 1: is the one in the twelfth century he kind of
Speaker 1: like compiled a lot of these older tellings because there
Speaker 1: was like Mirden and Ambrosius ambrosious and then Melkin or like,
Speaker 1: is it Melkin? I'm not sure, hang on, hang on,
Speaker 1: hang on, I wrote it down. I think there's there's
Speaker 1: also one called Melkin. Let's see Lucy, yes, Melkin. Yes.
Speaker 1: So there's all these different these different figures that kind
Speaker 1: of created the amalgam that is Merlin. So who is Merlin.
Speaker 1: Merlin is like this wizard, this this old sage who
Speaker 1: is kind of like a figure out of time, who
Speaker 1: is counsel to many kings. He's he was a court magician,
Speaker 1: a divener an astrologist, prophet, a prophet. Yeah. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you've heard the stories of King Arthur, you've heard
Speaker 1: about Merlin. He's he is integral to the the Arthurian legends.
Speaker 1: He even divined that Arthur would be a king in
Speaker 1: the first place, and according to the myths, he kind
Speaker 1: of Merlin kind of orchestrated the birth of Arthur. Right.
Speaker 1: So it's it's pretty wild, It's it's really cool. But
Speaker 1: let's we can start with like the origin stuff. Did
Speaker 1: you say that you got some of that, Like, well, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to go into some of that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I got some of it too, but I want
Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say. Dude, I've been
Speaker 1: talking too much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's no, not at all. I was eating
Speaker 5: it up because I'm interested in in what you came across.
Speaker 5: And it sounds like we came across a lot of
Speaker 5: the same stuff. Because when we say we want to
Speaker 5: do these episodes, it's like, you know, I might have
Speaker 5: the idea I want to look into the history, or
Speaker 5: maybe this time I want to focus on the pop culture,
Speaker 5: you know, And it seems like we kind of had
Speaker 5: the same idea about this one. But the King Arthur
Speaker 5: Uther Arthur Uther Pendragon typically associated having this powerful wizard
Speaker 5: who guided him. And it's it's like you said, like
Speaker 5: the myth of Arthur isn't what it is without Merlin,
Speaker 5: this this.
Speaker 1: Wise figure, yeah, wouldn't exist.
Speaker 5: Merlin's the archetypal magis the ultimate sage who holds the
Speaker 5: secrets of the universe and the key to the elements.
Speaker 5: He's depicted as being able to transfer his time. He
Speaker 5: can speak the language of all living things, shape shift,
Speaker 5: fly at will see the future. He's also, you know,
Speaker 5: this sort of wild man of the woods. He's sometimes
Speaker 5: depicted as having this wild boar that follows him and
Speaker 5: they talk to each other and communing with other naked
Speaker 5: wild men in the woods. In some legends, in the
Speaker 5: earliest depictions of Merlin, he is a fatherless child born
Speaker 5: of an immaculate conception. He's this fatherless child of wonder
Speaker 5: whose birth was brought about by his earthly human mother
Speaker 5: and the forces of the supernatural divine world.
Speaker 1: So and some of them it was a demon. It
Speaker 1: was an incubust right that he was born of, like
Speaker 1: an incubus and his mortal mother.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is crazy. And then those versions of the story,
Speaker 5: he's depicted as being like super tall, like a giant.
Speaker 5: He can lift these really powerful strong rocks and he
Speaker 5: has the superhuman strength and he's part demon and it's
Speaker 5: kind of this like scary lore about Merlin through the
Speaker 5: medieval ages.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who. I don't know who brought
Speaker 1: that version of the story about. But according to that version,
Speaker 1: he was like he was like the anti Christ. Wow.
Speaker 1: Like I did a lot of research about that kind
Speaker 1: of version of it, and like the demons of Hell
Speaker 1: like straight up manifested him. Essentially. They they orchestrated this
Speaker 1: whole plan as like a revenge against Christ. And the
Speaker 1: Christians and they saw too. They basically they like disguised
Speaker 1: a demon as Uther Pendragon, Uther Senior, and they yeah,
Speaker 1: they like kind.
Speaker 5: Of apparently that comes from Jeoffrey of Monmouth depicting him
Speaker 5: as a demon. And what's really cool about that is
Speaker 5: because this came around in the Dark Ages, right, these
Speaker 5: stories of Merlin, the tales that he was based off of,
Speaker 5: and at this point in Europe there was not really
Speaker 5: like a clear boundary between Christianity and paganism.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: We did talk about that on the Halloween special yes
Speaker 5: year or the year before maybe, I'm not sure. I
Speaker 5: think it was last year, but we talked about that
Speaker 5: how in medieval times there was this superstitition, it's just
Speaker 5: fear of you know, these these pagan legends, but also
Speaker 5: like the emergence of Christian rulership and authority. So there's
Speaker 5: speculation that the character of Merlin serves as a third
Speaker 5: dynamic element to the Arthurian legend, where as his role
Speaker 5: is to bridge the supernatural into the story. Right, Right,
Speaker 5: It's like you have these elements of Arthur being this
Speaker 5: divinely inspired king, which is kind of like these Christian themes,
Speaker 5: but then you have Merlin who kind of has this
Speaker 5: like old world ancient rooted pagan magic. So it's like
Speaker 5: this fusion of the Christianity and the Paganism. And in
Speaker 5: those stories Merlin and I guess he was loyal to
Speaker 5: the King of Britain at the time. In those stories
Speaker 5: they were seen as like a scare of the powers
Speaker 5: of Christianity persecuting Pagans.
Speaker 1: Like there's multiple versions from different backgrounds of Merlin. Like
Speaker 1: there's like a Christian hero version of Merlin, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. And then there's the demonic like
Speaker 1: evil version of Merlin where he's like born of an
Speaker 1: incubus and it was like a part of the Harrowing
Speaker 1: of Hell. I got it written down right here. According
Speaker 1: to legend, Merlin was conceived of a mortal woman and
Speaker 1: an incubus or dark spirit. Some accounts suggests the story
Speaker 1: of his birth accounted in The Harrowing of Hell, which
Speaker 1: described Merlin's original role being the anti Christ, meant to
Speaker 1: bring revenge on Christ and the Christians by the hands
Speaker 1: of the demons of Hell. This plan, now, this is
Speaker 1: this is where it turns into the Christian hero version.
Speaker 1: This plan was, however, thwarted when Merlin's mother died, Fed
Speaker 1: of Wales found a priest to baptize Merlin before he
Speaker 1: was pulled into the orbit of the devils. It's amazing
Speaker 1: like Darth Vader, right, yeah, yeah, it's like these demons
Speaker 1: like raised the anti Christ and then his mom's like, no, baptized,
Speaker 1: baptize him. He's now I am delivered. He's now an
Speaker 1: angel of God, like just like the baptize them and
Speaker 1: he's now like, a that's amazing Christ like baptizing. No, No,
Speaker 1: this was Oh yeah, she's just I'm like, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, slapped the spirit of God into his forehead.
Speaker 5: Please, That's that's really cool. I didn't know that element
Speaker 5: of the story, but I like where you were going
Speaker 5: with the Murden thing. So Murden was this character who
Speaker 5: was written about. I think it was. I wrote it
Speaker 5: down somewhere, but I think it was the ninth century.
Speaker 5: It was was it was earlier than the Merlin stories.
Speaker 5: And Geoffrey of Monmouth he was obsessed with this this
Speaker 5: ancient Latin literature. He went to a monastery, became a monk,
Speaker 5: and he was proficient in Latin. Everything back then universally
Speaker 5: was Latin. That was like the language of the world.
Speaker 5: That if you wanted your text to spread far and wide,
Speaker 5: it was written in Latin. And this is funny man.
Speaker 5: So Murden is the story that he's based on. Murden
Speaker 5: is this legend from way earlier texts where he was
Speaker 5: this wild man that was like this court magician. I
Speaker 5: keep saying wildman because he's depicted as like going into
Speaker 5: the woods and going crazy and living with the animals.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, something happened to him.
Speaker 5: He saw the horrors of war, That's what it was.
Speaker 5: He saw the war between the Saxons and the Britons,
Speaker 5: and it was just all these people being brutally slaughtered,
Speaker 5: and he went crazy and he fled, and.
Speaker 1: He just fled into the woods for like fifty years
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 5: And then his sanity is restored by the gift of
Speaker 5: prophecy and he comes back out and he's like a
Speaker 5: wizard again. But the reason he changed the name from
Speaker 5: Murden to merlinis is because in Latin, the prefix it's
Speaker 5: either the prefix or the suffix of the word. Merden
Speaker 5: meant shit.
Speaker 1: Well, so oh marred.
Speaker 5: Yes, marred means the shitty one. Jeffrey of Monmouth was like,
Speaker 5: let's come up with a better name.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I only know that because all the
Speaker 1: time Angel Candelaria shout out, he'll just go mailed, like
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. And I finally asked him, like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you saying. He's like, Marred it means
Speaker 1: shit in French.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in Spanish, the shitty one. Yeah, the shitty one.
Speaker 5: So he was like, yeah, we're gonna call him merlinis.
Speaker 1: That's probably better change it doesn't mean the shitty one.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So in the original, yeah, it's he's fascinated with
Speaker 5: the Welsh stories of King's heroes monsters, so he becomes
Speaker 5: a scholar of the church. He researched all these historical
Speaker 5: tablets written in Latin, so his name was Murden, but
Speaker 5: instead of translating it to Murdinis, he changed it to
Speaker 5: merlinis right. Also Ambrosia, because there was another story based
Speaker 5: on this other figure who was this fatherless child of
Speaker 5: wonder named Ambrosius from way earlier times. Also, at some
Speaker 5: point in Italy, Merlin was regarded as prominent of a
Speaker 5: prophet as Isaiah from the Bible.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 5: So Jeffrey of Monmouth was writing these legends as fiction,
Speaker 5: just having fun with it, but the people at the
Speaker 5: time were seeing it as real, like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: these are real prophecies because he was telling ancient stories
Speaker 5: that that really happened. Like you said, he was telling
Speaker 5: real historical stories. Yeah, it's like pseudohistory, pseudohistory, but he
Speaker 5: was weaving Merlin and the prophecies into it, and the
Speaker 5: commoners reading it were like, Oh my god, this all
Speaker 5: really happened.
Speaker 1: This is real. Yeah, it's like mythology.
Speaker 5: He was like the original nostradamis.
Speaker 1: Oh that's sick.
Speaker 4: So this is really interesting to me because this still happens,
Speaker 4: and I think we talked about it, like getting into
Speaker 4: like stranger things. Like stranger Things makes me mad because
Speaker 4: Operation Monarch and mk Ultra get conflated with these fake stories.
Speaker 4: But this has been going on for a long time,
Speaker 4: it seems, oh yeah, forever, and so it still goes
Speaker 4: on today, this pseudohistory where we're taking, you know, things
Speaker 4: that really really happened and are kind of on the
Speaker 4: verge of right and wrong and then turning them into
Speaker 4: easily digestible pop culture.
Speaker 1: But the really wild and interesting thing to me is
Speaker 1: that court magicians were a real thing.
Speaker 5: They still are.
Speaker 1: Remember we talked about this.
Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan, right, had an astrologer that was like, you're
Speaker 5: gonna be in serious trouble if you go out on
Speaker 5: this day, and he did and he was shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like it's a weird thing, this whole Merlin.
Speaker 1: Like that's why there's so many blurred lines, and there's
Speaker 1: people out there that still like believe he was real.
Speaker 1: People believe he was just allegory fiction, nonfiction. Who knows
Speaker 1: what it is. The lines are so blurred because to
Speaker 1: be honest, this like this neo Mythology of Britannia written
Speaker 1: by Geoffrey of Monmouth is like really convincing and historically
Speaker 1: sound in many ways, and it's like what was real
Speaker 1: what wasn't.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like Hermistroch's magicis right exactly archetypal stage figure,
Speaker 5: Like did he really exist?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: Theirs speculation that maybe he really did exist, but it
Speaker 5: wasn't a person named Merlin to be with someone named Merdon.
Speaker 5: You know, maybe it was ambrosious, Maybe there was a
Speaker 5: real person that he was based on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's yeah, there's there's a bunch a ton that
Speaker 1: he could have been based on He's also he also
Speaker 1: bears many similarities to Odin. Yeah, you know, many similarities
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 5: Wise old wizard that kind of lives out in the.
Speaker 1: World in the woods. He's the future. It's like there's
Speaker 1: there's tons of overlap between this figure and all these
Speaker 1: other figures. So it's it's really fascinating.
Speaker 5: At some point, there were after you know, these original
Speaker 5: writings of Merlin or merlinis, there were other scholars and
Speaker 5: authors writing more and more and more stuff about Merlin.
Speaker 5: At one point, Shakespeare actually debunked Merlin stories as being fabricated.
Speaker 5: Like that's how big the legend grew, Shakespeare debt them.
Speaker 4: But still to this isn't there like speculation about Shakespeare being.
Speaker 1: Real or not? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, was it one person or was it.
Speaker 1: A group of people's Yeah exactly. Yeah, what's it called
Speaker 1: a pseudonym or whatever? Yeah, yeah, that's still debated. But
Speaker 1: I mean, so is the existence of Merlin. Like, dude,
Speaker 1: there are entire like burial sites, Yeah, like the Merlin's
Speaker 1: Mound and Merlin's Hill, and like there's like six or
Speaker 1: seven different places in the world that like the legend
Speaker 1: is that Merlin is buried there. We'll check this out, dude.
Speaker 5: Recently, like in the last I think it was like
Speaker 5: in the eighties or the nineties, there was a body
Speaker 5: found in a Pete Bog in Britain that had strong evidence.
Speaker 5: I'll explain the evidence in but it's the body. The
Speaker 5: analysis of the body suggested that it may have been
Speaker 5: ritually sacrificed in the fashion that the Druids did. They
Speaker 5: called it the triple death. It was like they would
Speaker 5: slit their throat, they would take tendon chords and they
Speaker 5: would suffocate them and then when they're already dead, they
Speaker 5: would submerge them in water as like a symbolic you're
Speaker 5: also being drowned. It's it's the triple death, because I mean,
Speaker 5: come on, in every ancient religion ever, the number three
Speaker 5: is this powerful mystical number. But even to the Druids,
Speaker 5: the maiden, the mother of the krone, the Triketra, you
Speaker 5: always see that symbol, the Druid symbol with this like
Speaker 5: the yeah, they they had that right, They had this
Speaker 5: very sacred ritual called the triple death, and it was
Speaker 5: like a high honor to be sacrificed in this way.
Speaker 5: It wasn't something that was common, and there are some
Speaker 5: stories to say that Merlin was sacrificed in this way.
Speaker 5: So this body that they found, there's scholars now being like,
Speaker 5: is this who the real Merlin may have been found
Speaker 5: in the certain peat bog which some legend says he
Speaker 5: was buried in this peat bog?
Speaker 1: Where was it.
Speaker 5: Somewhere in Britain?
Speaker 1: I don't remember, yeah, because it's That's another thing that's
Speaker 1: still hotly debated is like was he from Wales or
Speaker 1: was he from Scotland? Yeah, like all of the there's
Speaker 1: there's burials in both places, there are legends from both places.
Speaker 1: There's like tons of evidence from both places of like
Speaker 1: where this whole myth came about or whatever. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: people still debate was he real or not?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's hard to say it. I feel
Speaker 5: like with a story that passes through the ages like that,
Speaker 5: that has such a a resonance to it, that spreads
Speaker 5: like there has to be something to it.
Speaker 1: And I also feel like it gets to a certain
Speaker 1: point where it doesn't even matter anymore. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if they existed or not, because their impact exists and
Speaker 1: that's all that matters. It's just like the hermis tris
Speaker 1: measures thing like who cares if he actually existed or not,
Speaker 1: Like the knowledge is here, the downloads happened, or you
Speaker 1: know whatever, Like people have been communicating with something from
Speaker 1: the beyond that gave them the idea of this hermes
Speaker 1: tris mejistice. Maybe it was just a symbol of the mind.
Speaker 1: Who knows, but it doesn't really matter at this point.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you said that, because I was watching this
Speaker 5: lecture from this guy and instead of like a modern figure,
Speaker 5: he calls himself Arthur Uther Pendragon, and he's like he
Speaker 5: like dresses in this like ancient Celtic attire, and he
Speaker 5: calls himself as like a modern pagan priest, and he's
Speaker 5: talking about the myths of Merlin and Arthur. And I
Speaker 5: think he was a British guy, and he was saying
Speaker 5: exactly what you just said, Like it's there comes a
Speaker 5: certain point where you know, like Jeffrey of Monmouth, was
Speaker 5: he making this up? Was he basing this on real
Speaker 5: historical evidence? He was like at some point though, it
Speaker 5: calls into question was he possibly channeling material like something
Speaker 5: that we would call it in modern times or as
Speaker 5: he said, an aquarium times. You know, we talk about
Speaker 5: this channeling material and getting this information from the spirit world.
Speaker 5: Perhaps that could have been regarded as primitive ancient channeled material,
Speaker 5: all these writings of this Merlin figure.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's the thing, Like it gets
Speaker 1: to a point where it doesn't matter, Like there are
Speaker 1: accounts throughout antiquity of people receiving messages from Merlin, like
Speaker 1: the Spirit of Merlin. To this day, there are entire
Speaker 1: there's a cult of Merlin, like there is a and
Speaker 1: it is spread throughout the world. Here I wrote a
Speaker 1: little bit about it. Let's just go ahead, and I
Speaker 1: don't know anything, let's just jump there. Spread around the world,
Speaker 1: there still exists a living cult of Merlin, and there
Speaker 1: are many active chapters in North America and the UK.
Speaker 1: There's there's active chapters all around the world, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot in North America, in the UK obviously for
Speaker 1: obviously UK obviously right. There are professors, Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: found there's a professor in California, and there's a professor
Speaker 1: in Ohio and Colorado. There are professors who teach entire
Speaker 1: courses about Merlin's life and his magic. Would take that course,
Speaker 1: Are you kidding.
Speaker 6: Yet?
Speaker 1: I would to Merlinian magic. So this call groups of
Speaker 1: followers like candles and chant old Welsh and Scottish poems
Speaker 1: wo to divine and receive Merlin's teachings of wisdom. There
Speaker 1: are many accounts, many claims the world over of people
Speaker 1: who say they receive messages from Merlin's spirit, instructing them
Speaker 1: and passing on teachings, eventually leading to the receiver of
Speaker 1: the messages being given the title of Merlin. This is
Speaker 1: another thing that I found in my research. Since like
Speaker 1: Merlinian times, since our Thurian times, after the quote unquote
Speaker 1: death of Merlin, there have been accounts of people channeling
Speaker 1: messages claiming to come from Merlin, basically saying that if
Speaker 1: the person receiving these messages follows these and like reaches
Speaker 1: a point of sagehood or whatever, they are granted the
Speaker 1: title of Merlin. That's very cool, Like it's almost it's
Speaker 1: believed among a lot of scholars that like possibly Merlin
Speaker 1: was never even this figure's name, right, it could have
Speaker 1: always just been a title for like a grand wizard.
Speaker 1: That sounds bad saying grand wizard, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean context too, like a yeah, like a powerful no,
Speaker 1: that's wizard.
Speaker 5: That's a very interesting point. I didn't I didn't come
Speaker 5: across this at all. This is very, very fascinating stuff.
Speaker 5: It's like we talked about this on the Hermeticism episode.
Speaker 5: We talked about the concept of well, why would the
Speaker 5: text say this, but then later on down the road
Speaker 5: it would actually say this that contradicts this, And it's like, well,
Speaker 5: because you have this master that's giving these lessons to
Speaker 5: the disciple over time, and as they're reaching higher levels
Speaker 5: of consciousness, then they bring them on deeper into the
Speaker 5: secret and in these ancient orders, when you reach certain levels,
Speaker 5: you go through initiations and you receive a new title,
Speaker 5: like usually, you know, the the entry level title is neophyte. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you're a neophyt.
Speaker 1: You're new to the most like an acolyte or whatever.
Speaker 5: Right, right, But now that's very cool, Like what if
Speaker 5: Merlin wasn't really a person, but it was this secret
Speaker 5: title like the magis or the sage. You know, Merlin,
Speaker 5: you would it could be a metaphor like when you
Speaker 5: reach this level of consciousness, you are at this status.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who knows, dude, Like none of us
Speaker 1: have ever been like a court magician or something yeah,
Speaker 1: like it could have been among the order of these
Speaker 1: court magicians that like the highest title that you could
Speaker 1: receive is that of Merlin. Like we don't know, we
Speaker 1: don't know, but there are tons of legends and and
Speaker 1: like depictions paintings of an actual figure of Merlin. And
Speaker 1: I mean I think whether he was a singular figure
Speaker 1: or not, the fact remains that it is so fascinating
Speaker 1: and his legends, the legends surrounding him are so fascinating.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, at what point does it become real? Right,
Speaker 5: Like the the energy of it, the force of it, Like,
Speaker 5: at what point do we say, wow, you know there
Speaker 5: is a Merlin Because there's over a thousand years of
Speaker 5: writings about this figure. You have over a thousand years
Speaker 5: or more of people being in this cult of Merlin
Speaker 5: and trying to receive messages from this forest. It's like
Speaker 5: it's the same as herb Eastrus, Majstus or Jesus or Krishna.
Speaker 1: It's like any stage throughout time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like you have these different archetypal expressions of
Speaker 5: the one thing. But you know, maybe Britain in the
Speaker 5: UK and Scotland and Ireland at the time was like well, dang,
Speaker 5: we don't have a religion. Yeah, but this is how
Speaker 5: we interface with the supernatural. So we're just kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, calling it what we can.
Speaker 1: As we go.
Speaker 5: It's like, where's the distinction and the religion that started
Speaker 5: five thousand years ago versus the one that started one
Speaker 5: thousand years ago?
Speaker 1: Exactly? You know what I mean. They're they're for all
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, they're just as real as the other. Right,
Speaker 1: you want to hear that reminded me of something you
Speaker 1: want to hear something really fascinating is actually J R.
Speaker 1: Tolkien wrote, uh, the Lord of the Rings, largely because
Speaker 1: he writes he wrote about this before he ever wrote
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings. How he mourned for the loss
Speaker 1: of Britain's mythology. Wow, and he like his whole life,
Speaker 1: he mourned, and he felt that it was just such
Speaker 1: a great disservice to the world that that mythology was
Speaker 1: lost forever, and he wanted to create a mythology. And
Speaker 1: he even goes as far as saying that, like, like
Speaker 1: Gandolf is basically his Merlin. Yeah, it's obvious he is.
Speaker 1: He's he's his Gray Wizard's.
Speaker 5: He's he's the like the he I mean, sure, he's
Speaker 5: kind of like a court magician, but he's deeper than that.
Speaker 5: But he's like the council to Frodo and the Fellowship,
Speaker 5: he's like their counselor. He doesn't really get so involved,
Speaker 5: but yeah, you know when he has to. He can
Speaker 5: see through time.
Speaker 1: Yep, look to the east on the light of the fifth.
Speaker 5: Day and I'll be there, you know, and boom, he
Speaker 5: saw the future five days in advance and he appeared
Speaker 5: right at that moment.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: And speak to the animals. He speaks to the little
Speaker 5: bugs and they fly away, and you know, he.
Speaker 1: Speaks to grabs the moth and then talks to it,
Speaker 1: and then the eagle comes and stuff.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that. That for all intentsive purposes, could
Speaker 1: be like the mythology, Like there's obviously this gap in
Speaker 1: history where the mythology was eradicated, and here we have
Speaker 1: these new mythologies rising. Do you know about like the
Speaker 1: first story of Merlin that emerged sort of let me
Speaker 1: read it. Uh so in Jeoffrey's telling, which was I
Speaker 1: think it was called just History of Britannia or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had it written down right here. It's called
Speaker 5: uh the History of Kings of Britain or Historia Region Brittannia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, cool. So in Jeoffrey's telling British King Vordigern,
Speaker 1: this this is back I do you know this one?
Speaker 1: This is back in like uh.
Speaker 5: I mean I really existed in like ye seven or
Speaker 5: eight hundreds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a real storyatly this is claimed to be
Speaker 1: back in like the sixth century, like like six or
Speaker 1: seventh cent five hundreds then yeah, yeah, yeah. British King
Speaker 1: Vordigern flees to Wales, where he tries to build a
Speaker 1: tower to protect himself from the Saxons. They were at
Speaker 1: war for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. He
Speaker 1: tries to build a tower to protect himself, but the
Speaker 1: tower is mysteriously toppled every night and the foundations crumble.
Speaker 1: His wizards, his court wizards tell him that he must
Speaker 1: find and sacrifice a fatherless child to allow the tower
Speaker 1: to stand with them of Jesus, right, it is really
Speaker 1: fascinating the parallels like the sacrifice the fatherless child, and
Speaker 1: they find such a candidate in young Merlin. He's a
Speaker 1: child at this point, so they go and they get Merlin,
Speaker 1: they go find him, they bring him to this tower
Speaker 1: and he informs them that they're all wrong. I imagine
Speaker 1: that real quick. Imagine that these wizards are like, you
Speaker 1: gotta go out and sacrifice as a kid and puts
Speaker 1: it because they were they were literally saying like, not
Speaker 1: just sacrifice the kid and the tower will stand. Sacrifice
Speaker 1: the kid and like pour his blood all over the
Speaker 1: stones and it will fortify the tower and keep it
Speaker 1: from crumbling. And then this kid shows up and he's like, nah,
Speaker 1: you're all wrong. He tells them they're all wrong, and
Speaker 1: that there's a pool beneath the foundation of the tower,
Speaker 1: and that if they look in the pool, there are
Speaker 1: two dragons and two stones, a red dragon and a
Speaker 1: white dragon. So they dig beneath, They dig beneath the
Speaker 1: foundation and they find that Merlin was right. Merlin sees
Speaker 1: the two dragons, he enters into a trance and foretells
Speaker 1: the future of the Britons to the end of time.
Speaker 1: In that moment, this kid just channeling the fucking whole
Speaker 1: entire future.
Speaker 5: And that channeling material is the original prophecies that were published.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Merlin's prophecies. So he sees the two dragons,
Speaker 1: he goes into the trance foretells the whole future, and
Speaker 1: he decrees that the dragons are a metaphor. The white
Speaker 1: dragon symbolizes the Saxons, the red dragon symbolizes the Brits,
Speaker 1: and that the white dragon will triumph over the red dragon,
Speaker 1: so the Saxons will triumph over the Brits, and predicting
Speaker 1: the coming of the great a great king by the
Speaker 1: name of Arthur. So that whole he talks about the
Speaker 1: fall of the British Empire, the rise of King Arthur like.
Speaker 1: He tells the entire history of the Brits in that moment,
Speaker 1: channeling in this trance like state. Later in Geoffrey's telling,
Speaker 1: he describes how Merlin orchestrates the birth of Arthur, casting
Speaker 1: spells to help King Uther, which was his father, Dragon,
Speaker 1: Arthur's father helped King Uther Pendragon take the form of
Speaker 1: the Duke of Cornwall to conceive his enemy. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: conceive with e Grain, Yeah.
Speaker 5: The beautiful Duchess of Cornwall.
Speaker 1: So it's like not, it's like not only was he
Speaker 1: because I I never knew that part of it. I
Speaker 1: thought he was just like he was Arthur's right hand man,
Speaker 1: I didn't know like the whole origins of everything. According
Speaker 1: to this the reason Arthur was born is because Merlin
Speaker 1: saw into the future, saw that this king needed to
Speaker 1: be born, and like literally hatched a plan to birth Arthur.
Speaker 1: I had no idea whatsoever that that was. So that's
Speaker 1: the start. And then from that point forward he was
Speaker 1: Uther's court wizard, his direct court wizard, and then of
Speaker 1: course Uther was succeeded by Arthur. He was Arthur's court wizard.
Speaker 1: He was court wizard for many many British kings according
Speaker 1: to the legends. Yeah, that's it for that story. And
Speaker 1: there's I got prophecies of Merlin also, Come on, we
Speaker 1: haven't even mentioned it yet. The most probably the story
Speaker 1: that Merlin is most associated with is the Grail, the
Speaker 1: Holy Grail.
Speaker 5: Right, I'm a I'm thinking now that we should do
Speaker 5: a follow up of this with like King Arthur Arthurian legends,
Speaker 5: you know, like the Arthurian myth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Arthur. But that brings up a good point. What's
Speaker 1: your What do you think is your favorite like depiction
Speaker 1: of Merlin that you've seen?
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean I really did like that series growing
Speaker 5: up the nineties.
Speaker 1: To watch that. It's cool because I looked into it
Speaker 1: a good bit while doing research and it seems really sick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: There's obviously the Disney one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's that's really not you know Disney movies are.
Speaker 5: It takes like some really cool historical thing and it's cool,
Speaker 5: but it's it's really just so whimsical and not really
Speaker 5: grounded in reality. And obviously, you know, the Merlin myth
Speaker 5: is supernatural and all this. But the show is very cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to watch that. I saw it looks
Speaker 1: really cool.
Speaker 5: My favorite is always like the story of the Lady
Speaker 5: in the Lake Merlin and Arthur and then you know,
Speaker 5: he receives the glowing sort of light excalibur from the
Speaker 5: Lady in the Lake. I think that's very cool. But
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, I never really thought about
Speaker 5: like a favorite story of Merlin.
Speaker 1: Well, like depiction, Like I really loved the Merlin from
Speaker 1: the Green Knight movie. Yeah it was Merlin in that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. He had like sacred geometry tattoos all
Speaker 1: over his arms and shit, bro that shit is That's
Speaker 1: like the coolest depiction of Merlin that I've seen. They
Speaker 1: had the round table and everything. Yeah, yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a I think he had a pentagram pendent or something.
Speaker 1: He was decked out. He had like crystals all over him,
Speaker 1: sacred geometry like that was I do not remember that,
Speaker 1: oh bro. I mean I've seen that movie like five times.
Speaker 5: I had to read Sir Godwaen and the Green Knight
Speaker 5: freshman year in college, which it was so boring.
Speaker 1: Dude, I never read that. I don't think we read
Speaker 1: any I mean I didn't read any stuff like that. No,
Speaker 1: I never I know, I have a lot of friends
Speaker 1: who read the whole gow.
Speaker 5: And it's just like Old English, and you know it's
Speaker 5: the Old English doesn't lend much to excitement, but yeah,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's crazy, man, Like we we could we
Speaker 5: could do like a whole thing on on the Arthurian legend.
Speaker 5: But you know, there there's there's some speculation that there's
Speaker 5: more evidence that Merlin was a real person than Arthur
Speaker 5: being a real person. Really, Yeah, like what you were
Speaker 5: talking about earlier, where it's speculated was he from Wales,
Speaker 5: Was he from the Celtic region, you know, Scotland more
Speaker 5: Northern UK or Britain as they called it back then,
Speaker 5: like b R. I t o n. But there is
Speaker 5: this I can't remember all the names because it's really
Speaker 5: old English Celtic names. And there was this fortress way
Speaker 5: up in the north that was named after Murden.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw that. I saw that there was
Speaker 1: one of Murden. There was another of Melkin, which is
Speaker 1: another that's thought to be like inspired by the same
Speaker 1: stories and stuff. There's like there's shit named after Merlin
Speaker 1: all over the planet, like it's it's crazy. There's there's
Speaker 1: stuff in Ireland, Scotland, there's stuff in America. There are
Speaker 1: like play is in America that are there's like mounds.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Merlin's Mound? That shit is crazy America? No,
Speaker 1: I think that one is in Scotland. And uh, it's
Speaker 1: like this huge it's still preserved to this day. There's
Speaker 1: like there's like a whole foundation and committee that's devoted
Speaker 1: to like keeping it preserved and stuff. So you like
Speaker 1: you see this like they this beautiful city in Scotland
Speaker 1: and then right in the middle is this huge mound
Speaker 1: like with rings of stone going up the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's like this lush, green like mound with all these
Speaker 1: rings of stone going around it, and the people in
Speaker 1: that town, like they just are fully in on the
Speaker 1: fact that that's where Merlin's buried. Wow, like fully that's
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, that whole city they kind of like Salem, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: Like you know how in Salem, like everything is about
Speaker 1: witches and the witch trials and it's all it's it's
Speaker 1: all you see whenever you go to Salem. I mean
Speaker 1: I've only been once, but it's like it's, oh, you've
Speaker 1: actually been. That's cool.
Speaker 5: It's like I've always wanted to go.
Speaker 1: It's just which is it's everywhere that's like that's their
Speaker 1: thing in this town. It's literally Merlin. Everything is Merlin.
Speaker 1: They have pubs that are named after Merlin. The drinks
Speaker 1: in the pubs are named after Merlin. Like everything's about Merlin.
Speaker 5: That's super cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's also like did you see that video years ago
Speaker 5: in a small town in Alabama where there was this
Speaker 5: news report that there was a leprechaun Crichton Leprechaun.
Speaker 4: No, my my cousins lived there.
Speaker 1: Crichton.
Speaker 4: Where's that they it's I think it's near Mobile, Alabama.
Speaker 4: I think it's a neighborhood. But there was some news
Speaker 4: report that someone saw a Leprechaun and then everybody's in
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 1: I always wondered, is that where the movies? Is that
Speaker 1: where the inspiration for the movies came from? Guys? No, wait,
Speaker 1: when did that happen? When did the thing?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: I think well that movie the the movies came out
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands. I'm pretty sure Leprechaun in
Speaker 1: the Hood is what we're talking about. For those uninitiated.
Speaker 5: Sorry, by the way, my allergies are killing my throat.
Speaker 5: You feel like I get some water. You get some
Speaker 5: water right down there if you need it. Yeah, have
Speaker 5: you seen my lepren in the Hood? Alex, we're talking
Speaker 5: about the same thing.
Speaker 1: No, No, have you seen the movie A leprechn in
Speaker 1: the Hood? Yeah, there's a movie called Leprechaun in the Hood.
Speaker 4: The Crichton Leprechaun. They asked somebody to draw it and
Speaker 4: this is the drawing.
Speaker 5: Amateur sketch.
Speaker 1: They're like, yo, what we saw it in the trees.
Speaker 1: It's like the video of the unicorn, you know, like that.
Speaker 1: There's another one in the hood. I think it was
Speaker 1: maybe I think it was Georgia or somewhere. They're like
Speaker 1: the hood and they're like, we saw the unicorn. It
Speaker 1: was awesome.
Speaker 4: My cousin took my brother when he went to go visit.
Speaker 4: He took my brother where they know, Yeah, the unicorn thing.
Speaker 4: They're like, this is the biggest thing that ever happened here, and.
Speaker 5: It's the biggest thing that ever happened to him.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest thing that's ever happened anywhere. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Nothing that we have proof.
Speaker 5: It doesn't get bigger.
Speaker 1: Drawing.
Speaker 4: You saw the drawing that are you showing the camera? Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's right there, that's proof. That's the criton leprecaun I.
Speaker 1: Mean, this is this is the biggest thing that's ever happened.
Speaker 1: We should just turn our show into a show about that.
Speaker 1: Reports where is it? Yeah, where is Marilyn out leprecaun In?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but for real Leprechun would be a cool.
Speaker 1: Episode too, But we need to do it for Saint
Speaker 1: Patty's Day.
Speaker 5: There was a Yeah, that's a good point, which is
Speaker 5: now past.
Speaker 1: Damn, it's kind of just happened, didn't it. We'll just
Speaker 1: record it now and wait till next year to release it.
Speaker 5: Just put another one in the bank a year behind.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, you just tripped me out so much.
Speaker 1: I just saw on my phone discord popped up leprechaun.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: I thought it was somebody in our discord talking about leprecauns.
Speaker 1: It was Alex putting it in as a topic. Just
Speaker 1: trip me out. That would have been funny. I've got
Speaker 1: a three tonight. Oh let's go.
Speaker 5: Oh, there we go, there we go. It's uh yeah,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's really cool man. The There was a
Speaker 5: another perspective that I saw, that's like, what if Merlin
Speaker 5: was based on Druidic culture, right, what if he was
Speaker 5: a Druid? What if he was some high level initiate
Speaker 5: of Druid culture and we know, like based on history
Speaker 5: that basically there were four levels of member of Druidic society.
Speaker 5: You had like the prophets, the seers, the druids, and
Speaker 5: the bards.
Speaker 1: I think, right, I think Merdin was considered to be
Speaker 1: a bard.
Speaker 5: Ah yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: It was like he was a poet and a bard.
Speaker 1: And for those that don't know, the Druid that comes
Speaker 1: from Celtic or Gaelic Celtic, okay, Celtic, that's like ancient
Speaker 1: Celtic history and we know.
Speaker 5: In history that the Roman Empire came and when they
Speaker 5: wiped out the Celts, they started with the Druid class
Speaker 5: because they knew that, like sure they had their kings,
Speaker 5: they had their warriors and all these warring tribes, but
Speaker 5: they knew that they all answered to the druids. The
Speaker 5: Druids were like literally the priests of society that everyone
Speaker 5: looked to for guidance and for answers. So literally, in history,
Speaker 5: they attacked Scotland and wiped out the Druids.
Speaker 1: How they going to do that to all the fucking
Speaker 1: cool guys that can turn into bears and shit?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, yeah, that is one perspective.
Speaker 1: I've played World of Warcraft, I've played Diablo, I've played
Speaker 1: video games before, and druids can turn into animals. I
Speaker 1: played dungeons with dragons.
Speaker 5: But then the other perspective is, you know all the
Speaker 5: human sacrifice and the bones and the burial mounds.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, but but you know, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a necessary evil. If you want to turn into a
Speaker 1: bird or a deer or something, maybe sometimes you got
Speaker 1: to kill some kids.
Speaker 5: I did accidentally condone sacrifice one time on a recent episode.
Speaker 1: We do not we do not condone sacrifice on this show.
Speaker 1: We can it, we could, we we actively condemn it.
Speaker 1: I can't be clearer. I'm tired of saying it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we we do condemn it. There's evidence of us
Speaker 5: having said that we condemn human sacrifice.
Speaker 1: You guys can keep asking as much as you want.
Speaker 1: I'm not tired of it.
Speaker 4: I think it needs to happen every now and then.
Speaker 4: We just need to just.
Speaker 5: To be clear, just to be clear, but just to
Speaker 5: remind people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well they keep asking, Yeah, they do, they
Speaker 1: do keep asking. I get it all the time. People
Speaker 1: ask me all the time, and the d MS, what
Speaker 1: do you think about sacrifice? Do you condemn it? Do
Speaker 1: you condone it? What do you think about it? I
Speaker 1: can't say it enough.
Speaker 4: Real criminal offense is making both of those words so similar.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Do because I accidentally said condone.
Speaker 5: Oh it was leap day when I said condon Yeah,
Speaker 5: so it didn't count. No, it definitely didn't count.
Speaker 1: Leap days aren't real.
Speaker 5: It was a it was a it was a glitch man.
Speaker 4: It was I think Merlin created leap days.
Speaker 5: Damn. I was seen too far into the future that yo.
Speaker 1: One thing I did not know that Merlin was associated with.
Speaker 1: That is really fun and cool. Uh, do you know
Speaker 1: that he's associated with the legends of Stonehenge. No, let
Speaker 1: me read it. It's so sick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm full disclosure. I had all these notes prepared
Speaker 5: and you have literally read everything off my screen.
Speaker 1: I got plenty so I'm kind of like I got
Speaker 1: plenty more.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm here to learn.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the club. Yeah, this is actually I'm excited
Speaker 1: to learn. This is so everything you've read. Everybody listen
Speaker 1: to this ship. This is so sick. Okay, in the
Speaker 1: fifth century, amidst the war between the Saxons and the Britons,
Speaker 1: First of all, stop fighting for such a long time.
Speaker 5: Everybody stop fighting, all of us. We could all be
Speaker 5: out here in crighton Alabama getting our minds and hearts
Speaker 5: together seeing Lecaus.
Speaker 1: And I will say it explicitly, we do not condone
Speaker 1: war for hundreds of years. I won't say it again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, and nobody better ask either. If you
Speaker 1: ask me again, I'm gonna freak out.
Speaker 5: It really just ruins.
Speaker 4: You cannot use it as a as a landmark in
Speaker 4: history because it's so long. Yeah, it's like, oh, remember
Speaker 4: when we were fighting for literally five hundred years.
Speaker 1: I wonder actually how long they fought?
Speaker 4: That's five generations.
Speaker 1: Could you get me a good solid figure on. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's the Saxons and the Saxophonians and the Brittonians.
Speaker 4: Okay, so who are the Saxons.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, That's what I'm saying. Who's the Saxons Anglo Saxon.
Speaker 4: Germanic peoples whose name was given in the early Middle
Speaker 4: Ages to a large country, Old Saxony, Saxony, saxonya near
Speaker 4: the North Sea coast of northern Germania.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of German Catholics pretty much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much married in to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, dude.
Speaker 5: In the Enemy of Merlin.
Speaker 4: Well we're on the same side. I'm German German Catholic.
Speaker 5: So you guys wiped out the freaking Druids. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I did a service.
Speaker 1: My ancestors were off on an island just worshiping a
Speaker 1: whole different pantheon and doing math and shit math a
Speaker 1: bunch of fucking Yorks, all right. So anyway, in the
Speaker 1: fifth century, amidst the war between the Saxons and the Britons,
Speaker 1: so much blood had been shed that a meeting was
Speaker 1: called to negotiate terms of peace between these two armies.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, it didn't work because they kept on fighting
Speaker 1: for one hundreds. Well they didn't have Merlin, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: didn't have them yet, right, all right, So this is
Speaker 1: what happened. They met up to do these peace negotiations,
Speaker 1: negotiations or whatever. The negotiations took place on Salisbury Plaine
Speaker 1: in southern England, where the steak comes from.
Speaker 5: That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: Salisbury steak, Salisbury steak, Salisbury Plaine, the steaks, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. There.
Speaker 4: This timeline from this very official looking website that just
Speaker 4: contains the timeline starts at four hundred and forty nine
Speaker 4: and ends at one thousand and sixty six.
Speaker 1: Why are y'all doing fighting for that long?
Speaker 5: Six hundred years?
Speaker 4: That's yeah, six hundred years.
Speaker 1: You don't want to kick it and chill, draw a picture,
Speaker 1: do a math now, that is think about okay, well,
Speaker 1: think about this.
Speaker 6: Your great great great great great grandchild ends the war literally, dude,
Speaker 6: or throw another one on there, because not everybody lives
Speaker 6: to be one hundred, especially during wartime.
Speaker 1: Jeez, it could be twelve.
Speaker 5: Well, especially in the dark ages, you didn't have plumbing.
Speaker 4: They live for like twenty years if they lived to
Speaker 4: max fifty. Now we're talking twelve generations of people. They
Speaker 4: didn't have one war. They didn't have anti bacterial hands, so.
Speaker 1: They didn't They didn't have TV either. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: win wars.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it did extends your life. I mean,
Speaker 5: have sanitation and plumbing and you know, clean food. I mean,
Speaker 5: come on, man, I mean you're don't take Merlin to
Speaker 5: see that.
Speaker 1: You can't be Merlin, dude. You're a Saxon, that's true. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm married a Saxon. Kind of like you're a Saxon
Speaker 1: by praxicy kind of.
Speaker 5: Like how Uther for a night enjoyed? You know, a Saxon, dude,
Speaker 5: and look what came of it. Maybe I'm Uther fair
Speaker 5: fair enough, Maybe I'm Uther Pendragon. Maybe your jobs you
Speaker 5: literally are born and you have one of two jobs.
Speaker 5: Create a warrior, create another warrior, or be a warrior. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like does it go to war or make another warrior?
Speaker 1: Six hundred years of war?
Speaker 5: That is really I didn't know that, dude.
Speaker 1: That's very So this is this is in the fifth century.
Speaker 1: So which is the six hundred four hundreds.
Speaker 5: It goes back.
Speaker 1: Listen, just like you know the twenty first century, it's
Speaker 1: two thousand and then this is in the first one
Speaker 1: hundred years of this war. They're trying to negotiate a
Speaker 1: peace agreement.
Speaker 5: Dang.
Speaker 1: The negotiations took place on Salisbury Plane in southern England,
Speaker 1: and this is crazy. This pissed me off, dude, just
Speaker 1: reading about it and in a feet of betrayal. So listen,
Speaker 1: they show up to this peace treaty. All these motherfuckers
Speaker 1: show up and they're like, hey, happy to meet you,
Speaker 1: Happy to meet you. My name is uh Aurelius Ambrosius
Speaker 1: the Third or what's.
Speaker 5: The shitty one.
Speaker 1: This is the shitty one. We call them the shitty one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they show up. They're like, no weapons, you can't bring
Speaker 1: any weapons. They were checked like everything. They walk out
Speaker 1: onto this plane. This like neutral ground. They're gonna do
Speaker 1: this peace treaty. These mother fucking Saxons, dude, they smuggled
Speaker 1: knives in. No way, they smuggled knives in and they
Speaker 1: had a plan on a signal. They were all all
Speaker 1: the Saxons because they this is pretty cool. They met
Speaker 1: in a circle. They formed a big circle at the roundtable,
Speaker 1: like the roundtable or like Stonehenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 1: formed a big circle and until like make get like
Speaker 1: evenly distributed or whatever. It was literally like a Saxon,
Speaker 1: a Briton, a Saxon, a Briton, a Saxon, a Britain
Speaker 1: in a circle. They're all standing side by side, and
Speaker 1: on a signal, all of the Saxons pulled their knives
Speaker 1: out and killed the man to their left. It is dude,
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing.
Speaker 4: When I was I'm just wondering how long it took
Speaker 4: for them to take their pants off and unsmuggle their knives.
Speaker 5: It's like assassin's creed.
Speaker 1: Yes, they all were instructed pull their knives, kill the
Speaker 1: guy to your left. All of the Britons at that
Speaker 1: meeting were stabbed brutally and killed.
Speaker 5: So you know they bought another five hundred years of war.
Speaker 1: Literally, yes, they they they did exactly that. I'll deal
Speaker 1: well well. A message was sent to a prince in
Speaker 1: exile in France, Prince Aurelius Ambrosius, a Briton, a British prince.
Speaker 1: He was an exile and frince. They sent him a
Speaker 1: message like Yo, they just fucking killed all our boys.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? His brother Aurelius, Ambrosius's brother
Speaker 1: none other than ooh thir Pin Dragon. So guess what.
Speaker 1: Uther sprung that man up out the jail cell and
Speaker 1: was like, we gotta go back home. We got to
Speaker 1: kill these Saxons, all right. So this is what happened.
Speaker 1: They got back to Britain. They seized control because the
Speaker 1: king was killed in the peace treaty, so or Aurelius
Speaker 1: took the throne.
Speaker 5: He became wasn't the previous king like Vordikern or what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Aurelius and Uther show up.
Speaker 5: Aurelius became They were the princes, right, they were the princes.
Speaker 1: Yes, they were the exiled princes. Aurelius was older, so
Speaker 1: he showed up and he's like the rightful ruler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everybody rallied behind him. He was apparently a great ruler.
Speaker 1: So Aurelius and Uther went on to win several men
Speaker 1: A victories over the Saxons. They basically showed up, whipped
Speaker 1: them into shape and started giving it to the Saxons.
Speaker 4: They had that momentum, they had that yes, that had
Speaker 4: that fresh out jail moment.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they had the rage, dude. Yes, And the
Speaker 1: whole time Aurelius was being counseled by our boy Merlin.
Speaker 1: So uh. And in a moment of reflection, they've they've
Speaker 1: seized control over the land, Salisbury Plane, the surrounding areas.
Speaker 1: They're like, they have a lot of momentum. They're they're
Speaker 1: winning the war. And in a moment of reflection, Aurelius
Speaker 1: he asked Merlin for a fitting way to honor all
Speaker 1: of the Brits who were slain on Salisbury Plane. He
Speaker 1: saw it as this huge atrocity, this this massive betrayal,
Speaker 1: this just disgusting act that happened, and he wanted to
Speaker 1: honor all the Brits who were betrayed by the Saxons
Speaker 1: on Salisbury Plain. Merlin did his little did his little
Speaker 1: vesso raven see into the future thing and like saw
Speaker 1: and he came up with an idea. He presented the
Speaker 1: idea to Aurelius and he embarked on a quest. He
Speaker 1: went on a quest to a mountaintop in Ireland. So
Speaker 1: they're they're in South England and Merlin and a little
Speaker 1: crew get on a boat and they go, well, they
Speaker 1: walk some and then they get on a boat and
Speaker 1: they go over to Ireland to the top of the
Speaker 1: highest mountain, to a place known by Merlin. He told
Speaker 1: Aurelius there's a place called the giants dance on top
Speaker 1: of this mountain. And the giants dance. They get to
Speaker 1: the top of this mountain and there's this huge circle
Speaker 1: of stones. There's this circle of these massive stones. It
Speaker 1: was stone hinge.
Speaker 5: Is that in Ireland?
Speaker 1: It was, according to legend. But our boy magic that
Speaker 1: shit made all the rocks float, brought it to Britain,
Speaker 1: loaded it on the boat, brought it to Salisbury Plane
Speaker 1: and put it there himself. And then because they they
Speaker 1: buried all of the bodies in Salisbury Plaine already, they
Speaker 1: did that after everybody was slaughtered. Literally, the Saxons were
Speaker 1: just like, just bury them right here.
Speaker 4: So can I get something straight here?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4: The battle is absolutely real.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying most of it. But the Merlin stuff,
Speaker 1: people are like, no, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: The stories of Merlin are based on real history. But
Speaker 5: then the author Jeffrey of Monmouth like added Merlin. They
Speaker 5: just planted him into the story but like a custom character. Yes,
Speaker 5: all these people, they were all real. Yeah, this is
Speaker 5: like real history moregan. That's why I'm with you now, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's why it's like a pseudo history type thing. But yeah,
Speaker 5: So the the story is, according to legend, that he
Speaker 5: brought the stones from the giants dance. He literally like
Speaker 5: like magic them out of the ground, levitated them ships
Speaker 5: out the ground, brought them down to the bottom of
Speaker 5: the mountain, loaded them onto this boat, brought them back
Speaker 5: to Salisbury Plane and reformed the circle where all of
Speaker 5: those bodies were buried.
Speaker 1: Wow, to honor all of those bodies.
Speaker 5: So where a stone hinge Salisbury Plain. Yes, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm not looking forward to. But you know, we
Speaker 5: have quite a lot of UK listeners and I'm not
Speaker 5: looking forward to them laughing at how little we know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're going to be like this is wrong,
Speaker 1: that's you're an idiot. Yeah, that's fine, you can.
Speaker 5: Yeah we're not taught the ship in school.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, No, we were taught World War two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're taught freaking all that stuff.
Speaker 1: All that stuff. Uh yeah, so what I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have either. I did my best. I did
Speaker 1: my best research.
Speaker 4: I know they have a crazy festival there for the Solstice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jenny's been there.
Speaker 4: They'd be doing all kind of But you're telling me
Speaker 4: that they're just hanging out having a party on a
Speaker 4: burial ground.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, man, I'm you know. I look,
Speaker 1: I know we did the whole thing about who cares
Speaker 1: if it's real or not? But I believe it.
Speaker 4: I'm starting to care. I'm starting to care if it's real.
Speaker 4: Which part do you believe?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think like Merlin was a real person, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really do. In some capacity, even if his name
Speaker 1: wasn't literally Merlin, right, which we know that came later,
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe there was a real person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could have even been. Like even the thought of
Speaker 1: like Merlin being like a incorporeal spirit and like speaking
Speaker 1: through a court magician who's channeling or I don't know, right,
Speaker 1: but in some capacity or another, they're so much written
Speaker 1: about Merlin that I just feel like it has to
Speaker 1: be real.
Speaker 5: No, I I agree with what you're saying there, Like,
Speaker 5: even if he was not literally the person that is depicted,
Speaker 5: maybe there was not a person who was born of
Speaker 5: the name Merlin. The spirit of this, this being, this
Speaker 5: person had to exist, had to had to be attributed,
Speaker 5: someone had to do some of these feats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it.
Speaker 5: Was mythologized and he's using his you know, magical powers
Speaker 5: to lift these stones, like you know, maybe that didn't happen,
Speaker 5: but right, maybe there was some court magician who counseled
Speaker 5: these kings, and you know over time that the name
Speaker 5: was changed and it was exaggerated. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm with you there, there has to be some truth
Speaker 5: to this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there has to. So I have some prophecies, some
Speaker 1: of the popular prophecies of Merlin, and so the first
Speaker 1: rendition of Merlin, like like if you look as far
Speaker 1: as far back as you can, the earliest one is
Speaker 1: it's it depending on which historian you're listening to, Merden
Speaker 1: and Elkin we're kind of around the same time and
Speaker 1: in different locations. But this story is about Murden and yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was he was a prophet and a wild
Speaker 1: man in the woods. As the story goes, Merden is
Speaker 1: a warrior in the in the court of the sixth
Speaker 1: century wels chieftain Gwendolao Gwendolau during the bat Battle of
Speaker 1: rfdrriden r fdryd A r f d e r y
Speaker 1: d d Gwendolau is slain and Murden is so traumatized
Speaker 1: by this loss and guilt ridden over his inability to help,
Speaker 1: he loses his mind flees into the forest of Caledonia.
Speaker 1: That's where he goes crazy. He lives there for fifty
Speaker 1: years as a wild man amongst the animals. In his
Speaker 1: state of madness, he acquires the gift of prophecy. So
Speaker 1: some of his prophecies. So these are the prophecies of Murden,
Speaker 1: who we've corroborated. It's like the same guy. It's all
Speaker 1: the same guy, right.
Speaker 5: Who Merlin is literally his name was translated from Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, and the crazy thing is a lot of like
Speaker 1: historians and stuff, like they keep tabs on the the
Speaker 1: prophecies of Merlin and like apparently like to this day
Speaker 1: some of them could be could be what's the word
Speaker 1: I'm looking for, like interpreted as like still coming true
Speaker 1: to this day. Wow. Yeah. And they're all very abstract
Speaker 1: like vague. Yeah, and you know this is all written
Speaker 1: in Old English and whatever, like they're they're very abstract,
Speaker 1: like a shower of blood shall fall and dire famine
Speaker 1: shall afflict mankind. The red dragon will revert to its
Speaker 1: true habits and struggle to tear itself to pieces. The
Speaker 1: Lion of Justice shall come next, and at its roar,
Speaker 1: the towers of Gaul shall shake, and the island dragons tremble.
Speaker 5: I think Gaul was the Germanic people were right. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: I remember that from that movie, the big movie The Gladiator.
Speaker 1: Oh Gaul.
Speaker 5: Were there a war with Gaul?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Germans. The hedgehog will hide its apples inside Winchester
Speaker 1: and will construct hidden passages under the earth. Like A
Speaker 1: lot of these are very abstract, but when King John
Speaker 1: imposed English coinage on the Irish, for example, medieval chroniclers
Speaker 1: thought that Merlin's prophecied that the balance of trade shall
Speaker 1: be born in half, and the half that is left
Speaker 1: shall be rounded off, was fulfilled. That's something that happened
Speaker 1: in the fourteenth century. Wow, this is you know, this
Speaker 1: is hundreds and almost a stories were written way before that,
Speaker 1: almost a thousand years. Yeah. And another fourteenth century story, Marginalia.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a copy of a text. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: the name of the text. It identifies Henry the First
Speaker 1: as the lion of justice. Wow, almost a thousand years later,
Speaker 1: King Stephen, King Henry the First, King Henry the First
Speaker 1: a line of justice. King Stephen, whose reign was marked
Speaker 1: by anarchy and civil war, was the crab who brings
Speaker 1: suffering and war. And Henry the Second as a heroic
Speaker 1: tusked bore, which is a parallel to Merlin's boar. It's
Speaker 1: like this was this was something that it happened almost
Speaker 1: a thousand years later, and like the parallels are crazy.
Speaker 1: And then there's an author called Pork.
Speaker 5: I love Pork.
Speaker 2: P O. R. C.
Speaker 1: K examines this manuscript. I love it and identify some
Speaker 1: other ways that medieval kings connected themselves to the prophecy
Speaker 1: rulers and histories continued to make these connections well into
Speaker 1: the early modern period. Even James the sixth said his
Speaker 1: coming had been foretold by Merlin when he took over
Speaker 1: the throne from Elizabeth the First, And that's like within
Speaker 1: our family's lifetimes. Like that, that is fucking crazy.
Speaker 5: You know what else is crazy? King Henry the seventh,
Speaker 5: back in real medieval England. You can look this up.
Speaker 5: History Channel even did a bit on this, like trying
Speaker 5: to talk about was this real. What's the historical accuracy
Speaker 5: of this? He hired court genealogists to try to I'm
Speaker 5: not talking legend, this is real history. He hired court
Speaker 5: genealogists to try and trace his ancestral roots back to
Speaker 5: the lineage of King Arthur, because because he was a tutor,
Speaker 5: he was at this point, the Tutors were at war.
Speaker 5: It was the War of the Roses and there was
Speaker 5: a challenge of the claim to the throne against the
Speaker 5: Tudor family. King Henry's name was I think it was
Speaker 5: John Tutor. Maybe that was his father, I can't remember.
Speaker 5: So there was all this question do the Tutors have
Speaker 5: the right to rule? So King Henry the seventh was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I got the motherfucking right to rule.
Speaker 1: I come from King Arthur. And he was like trying
Speaker 1: to prove it for real. Whoa is that? Where we
Speaker 1: get the word tutor from t U d.
Speaker 5: O R the Tutors. It's an ancient dynasty.
Speaker 1: It could still be related. Maybe it could be.
Speaker 5: Man, Okay, I have a I thought, maybe maybe we'll
Speaker 5: see the Crichton leprechaun.
Speaker 1: Maybe if we hold out, hope, dude, we we'll see
Speaker 1: the Crichton Leprechawn. One day, let's all focus our intentions
Speaker 1: and energy on manifesting.
Speaker 4: The be the craziest thing you've seen.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't I had. I had a cool idea of
Speaker 1: how to finish up this episode, the original Grail prophecy
Speaker 1: heck by Melkin, which is one of the oldest depictions
Speaker 1: of Merlin.
Speaker 5: And then I got one little thing that I forgot
Speaker 5: to say earlier too.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, why don't you say it, and I'll wrap
Speaker 1: us up with the prophecy.
Speaker 5: Something I came across was that the story of Merlin
Speaker 5: transforming Uther Pendragon into the Duke of Cornwall to go
Speaker 5: and to conceive with the Duchess of Cornwall for the
Speaker 5: night is similar to the myth of the Celtic or
Speaker 5: like Gaelic deity. I guess you could say Lug. We
Speaker 5: talked about him in the Halloween episode The God of Light,
Speaker 5: so you have this story where I.
Speaker 1: Don't know if I remember talking about Lug.
Speaker 5: He's the like, literally like the Jesus figure of Celtic mythology.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it sounds almost like a Jesus myth.
Speaker 5: His parents are Ethneiu or Ethlyn, the daughter of the
Speaker 5: Fomorian leader Baylor, which I think the Fomorians were like
Speaker 5: the kind of evil gods or the evil Elms or
Speaker 5: something like that. And then Chian, I don't know how
Speaker 5: to say that, Cia in a member of the Tuatha
Speaker 5: dea de Non, which are like the gods. They're like
Speaker 5: the Olympus version of you know, the Celts, the race
Speaker 5: of the gods. According to the prophecy, Baylor, the daughter
Speaker 5: Okay so Baylor is the leader of the Fomorians. Baylor
Speaker 5: would be killed by his grandson. To prevent this, Baylor
Speaker 5: locks his daughter Ethniu in a tower or a crystal
Speaker 5: enclosure to keep her from having children. But Chian, however,
Speaker 5: you say that with the help of the druidus, by
Speaker 5: Rog manages to gain access to this crystal tower, and
Speaker 5: in disguise he seduces Ethneu. She becomes pregnant. Baylor discovers
Speaker 5: that his daughter's given birth. He orders the child to
Speaker 5: be drowned, but the infant Lugue is saved by the
Speaker 5: druidous Byrog, who then rescues him and delivers him to
Speaker 5: his foster father, Uh the Queen of the fur Bulk
Speaker 5: fer Bulg. He is raised secret and he grows up
Speaker 5: to be a master of all arts and skills, earning
Speaker 5: the epithet some mil Danach or skilled in many arts,
Speaker 5: and then eventually he becomes he joins you know, the
Speaker 5: gods the two authors.
Speaker 4: Sounds likes me.
Speaker 5: Well, it sounds like King Arthur, you know, having this
Speaker 5: mysterious birth born of deception and sneak sneaking into the
Speaker 5: Crystal Tower, or Ruther Pendragon, he literally sneaks into the
Speaker 5: Tower of the Cornwalls and pregnates her with Arthur and
Speaker 5: then dips same same. It's like maybe Jeffrey of Monmouth
Speaker 5: when he was writing the story or whoever wrote that version,
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, throw a little bit of the Celtic version,
Speaker 5: you know, add a little bit of the god of
Speaker 5: light into our their story.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Then giving a little bit of the sort of light.
Speaker 1: You know, and the krichten Lep. Yeah, there we go sprinkled.
Speaker 5: You know, he's cooking and he's taken all these different
Speaker 5: myths and he's sprinkling them in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You see this all the time in mythology and history,
Speaker 1: in like poetry, like the borrowing of the stories of
Speaker 1: other cultures, and like sprinkling it all together. Which one
Speaker 1: came first, It's it doesn't really matter. These are these
Speaker 1: are myths, and like the archetypal energy of these myths
Speaker 1: are the thing that's important, right, the core stories and
Speaker 1: morals of these these myths, that's what's important and like
Speaker 1: gives it real archetypal like energy. Like these stories carry
Speaker 1: energy no matter where they originated, if they're exactly historically
Speaker 1: factual like that. At this point, dude, there's cults of
Speaker 1: Merlin in the world in twenty twenty four, claiming that
Speaker 1: they're communing and channeling Merlin's spirit.
Speaker 5: You know what else. There's also a Temple of the Jedi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, there's a whole dag Jedi religion, buddy,
Speaker 1: there is. They basically got their own Bible.
Speaker 5: It's like you have their own just like religious exemption.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I had of all the damn religions in
Speaker 1: the world, that's one I would follow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Jedi.
Speaker 1: Have you read their creed?
Speaker 5: Yes, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: The Jedi handbook, the Sith one, and then there's a
Speaker 1: Mandalorian one. There's like three main ones. I've read those. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I'll be a Jedi. Hell yeah. Yeah, I don't even
Speaker 1: care if I make shift float. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's a real recognized religion.
Speaker 1: Yes it is. And I'm you're talking to one right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean I'm honored. I'm here to learn.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do this Grail, this Grail prophecy. This is
Speaker 1: the original Grail prophecy written by Milkin. We've all heard
Speaker 1: of the Holy Grail Arthur and the Holy Grail davinc
Speaker 1: da Vinci code. There's many like interpretations of like what
Speaker 1: this symbolic means, YadA YadA. Yeah, it's in everything. It's
Speaker 1: all over the place, freaking Harry Potter everywhere. But this
Speaker 1: is the original prophecy. This is how it reads. And
Speaker 1: again it's very abstract, but it's poetry. It's it's beautiful,
Speaker 1: all right. Ready amid these joseph in marble? What does
Speaker 1: it mean? What does that mean? Of Arimathea? By name?
Speaker 1: Hath found perpetual sleep? And he lies on a two
Speaker 1: forked line next to the south corner of an oratory
Speaker 1: fashioned of wattles. What's a wattle?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: For the adoring of a mighty virgin in his sarcophagus,
Speaker 1: two cruets white and silver filled with blood and sweat
Speaker 1: of the Prophet Jesus. When his sarcophagus shall be found
Speaker 1: entire intact in time to come, it shall be seen
Speaker 1: and shall be open unto all the world.
Speaker 2: Thenceforth, nor water nor the dew of heaven shall faire
Speaker 2: the dwellers in that ancient isle for a long while
Speaker 2: before the day of judgment in Joseph fat, open shall
Speaker 2: these things be and declared to living men?
Speaker 1: Amen, Amen, the Prophet Jesus. The switch, Well, like, how
Speaker 1: abstract is that. It's obviously describing the burial place. It's
Speaker 1: not describing the grail itself. But from all of that,
Speaker 1: these freaking people who decipher these poets and all this shit,
Speaker 1: were like, the cup is in there.
Speaker 5: We gotta go get it. I gotta tell you something.
Speaker 5: So shout out to Molly Adler of Back from the Borderline.
Speaker 5: We did to collab with her show. She's a wonderful
Speaker 5: person and her husband, Yes, very wonderful, wonderful people, and
Speaker 5: we were talking and she is very fast. We made
Speaker 5: a joke on our show about I was like, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe you're the reincarnation of Amboleyn. I only say that
Speaker 5: because she told me that She's like, there's this joke
Speaker 5: I say all the time because she's so fascinated with
Speaker 5: like medieval literature and history and culture and something. She
Speaker 5: told me, dude, the Tudor family. I was telling her
Speaker 5: about the Tudor family and Henry the seventh and how
Speaker 5: they were talking about this lineage to King Arthur and
Speaker 5: all this stuff, and she was like, no freaking way.
Speaker 5: She showed me this text, a real legitimate text that
Speaker 5: these this bloodline was a part of a group that
Speaker 5: was like I can't remember exactly what was called, but
Speaker 5: it was they were into the Grail mysteries and their
Speaker 5: symbol was a rose. It was like basically like Rosicrucian stuff,
Speaker 5: like secret mystical body of knowledge. But they were all
Speaker 5: about the Magdalene, the secret of Mary Magdalene. And you
Speaker 5: remember the conclusion was that she was basically the Holy Grail. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but very interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super interesting. You know how Merlin died. That's how
Speaker 1: I've just put the pin in it.
Speaker 4: We wouldn't need triple killed.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't triple killed, dude. I'm gonna start this
Speaker 1: by saying, do you know what this is like? In
Speaker 1: all of the Merlin myths. This is the it's the same,
Speaker 1: it's consistent all. Do you know what Merlin's one weakness was?
Speaker 1: What it was the honeys.
Speaker 5: I knew it, dude, I was gonna say women.
Speaker 1: It was. It was the honeys like master and he
Speaker 1: specifically liked the what do they call him, the like
Speaker 1: the bold like like bold, like you're talking bold and brass.
Speaker 1: What's the there's a term for it, the like foxy ladies.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, outgoing individuals. Oh it's anyway, dependent,
Speaker 1: strong willed? No no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 5: He liked him bold, did he?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Not bold diddy fim fey twe What does that mean?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Feel or the what let's let's
Speaker 1: look up the definition of fatale. Those are like the
Speaker 1: bold ladies almost, I'm still unclear. They're like the man eaters,
Speaker 1: the vamps, the succuby, yes, succuby mermaids, sirens.
Speaker 4: Sirens, okay, okay, sirens.
Speaker 1: So he was a simp, yes, yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 5: He was an archetype dude.
Speaker 1: He was an incel simp. Uh yeah, like that. He
Speaker 1: like the seductive, mysterious man eater.
Speaker 7: Like I command all time in space and he you know,
Speaker 7: he's like light Yeah, yeah, lighting bulls coming out of
Speaker 7: his fingertips and he takes one look at the lady
Speaker 7: and he's like, oh Fuck's.
Speaker 1: Like he just crumbles. Dude.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, though, if I heard a siren, I
Speaker 4: would straight jump off that boat.
Speaker 1: You'd be all in it.
Speaker 4: I'll be diving in quick, I'd be I'm out here
Speaker 4: telling people I'd love to be a pint to make
Speaker 4: a good pirate.
Speaker 5: But man, it just takes.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 4: Would take one siren dog, just.
Speaker 1: One and he's out. He's living underwater for the rest
Speaker 1: of his life. But yeah, as the legend goes, it
Speaker 1: was a fairy, the lady of the lake, and she
Speaker 1: got him. She got him. He sealed him up in
Speaker 1: a in a tomb forever. That's why I like the
Speaker 1: Merlin's Mound and Merlin's Tomb and Merlin's Hill and all
Speaker 1: these places claim that that's where he's sealed up. Wow,
Speaker 1: the lady got him in the end.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. So hypothetically he could be unsealed.
Speaker 1: Hypothetically he could be unsealed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like a frozen frog.
Speaker 1: He's like the avatar.
Speaker 5: Dude, I wonder like and when the world needed a move. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I feel like. I feel like if we were to
Speaker 5: unseal Merlin and unleash him back upon the world.
Speaker 1: Oh, he couldn't handle it. First order of business, he'd
Speaker 1: be on only fance exactly. He would not be able
Speaker 1: to handle it. He could, he gets sealed in the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'd never get off his phone. Him, he would never
Speaker 1: be able to get off his phone.
Speaker 5: The Crichton Leprechawn could be dancing right in front of
Speaker 5: him and he wouldn't even care. Man, he'd be too
Speaker 5: busy glued to his screen.
Speaker 1: And the new Lady of the Lake is Kim Kardashian,
Speaker 1: and she would just steal his ass up in the
Speaker 1: Internet and he'd be done forever. Yeah, he couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1: He could, no way, You're too many fings towels out there.
Speaker 5: He can hold time and space in his hands, he can.
Speaker 5: He can master the elements and hold all the secret
Speaker 5: knowledge of the universe. But you know, a little bit
Speaker 5: of temptation and he's it's all fucked.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it, that's Merlin, that's our boy. Hey,
Speaker 1: love y'all, Bye guys, Bye guys.
Speaker 4: Weird things happen in the backyard and leftsoe house hit.
Speaker 1: Got so weird. Come and clu like my sling on
Speaker 1: the inside of it. No one not man, Wow, let's
Speaker 1: come for I ever thought side ain't happy