1 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:12,679 Speaker 1: Thanks. 2 00:00:12,759 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Bring all right, can you give. 3 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: Me a little bit of talk talk, give me a 4 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:30,960 little bit of joy? 5 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 3: Hey, hi' is it going? Little jab here? Little jab there? 6 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,439 Speaker 1: There we go. Can y'all hear it this full? Can 7 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,280 you hear this? Fool? 8 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 3: Dude? Your impressions were awesome. I watched that video twice. 9 00:00:46,799 --> 00:00:49,359 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, anytime you do a 10 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:51,840 video like that, you'll get like three hundred likes and 11 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,039 then you'll get ten dislikes and then all these comments 12 00:00:56,079 --> 00:00:58,439 that people say they like it, and then you focus 13 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,280 on the one comment where it's like your impression You're shit, 14 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,319 You're the worst impression is so I've ever heard of 15 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,040 my whole life. 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,879 Speaker 3: And it's like he oh, I get that because people 17 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,879 are used to just used to my my memes, so 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,560 they just like my meme. So if I do like 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,439 a face swap or an impression or a short video, 20 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:22,599 they're like, I didn't come here for the video, just 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:23,840 like this is me. 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, calm down. I remember when I when I started 23 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:29,680 having more subscribers on the YouTube channel, I would I 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,799 would post the comedics silly stuff, and I'd get a 25 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:36,200 lot of comments people like I'm here for lectures. I'm 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,040 here for philosophy. I'm not here for shitty comedy. Like 27 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:44,280 there's always been crappy comedy at my YouTube channel. What 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,480 are you talking about? The first video ever uploaded with 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,799 crappy comedy and it will always be there, so it's 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,760 not going away. Uh, And you should have hipped yourself 31 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:55,799 to that. But welcome everybody. We got Jim Bob back 32 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:58,920 in the house, made by Jim Bob. Let me add 33 00:01:58,959 --> 00:02:06,280 I forget to add his instant to that descriptor. Your 34 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:15,639 Instagram is gayascrap dot com, Uh, scribbles gay ship dot com? 35 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:15,759 Speaker 3: Bro? 36 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:16,759 Speaker 1: Is that your website? 37 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: Ignorant scribbles? 38 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: Maybe I jump up and stall there we go? 39 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:25,719 Speaker 2: All right? 40 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, so I figured we talked about the climate cult, 41 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:37,159 the new religion grata, uh and that kind of stuff, 42 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,680 and then you know that would kind of be a 43 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,680 spring where we could branch off into talking about philosophy, 44 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:45,319 ultimate principles, how do we view the world, how you 45 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,719 view nature, how do we view social justice, religion, logic, 46 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,199 all those different topics. Is that is that cool with you? 47 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:52,759 Speaker 3: Sounds awesome? 48 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,319 Speaker 1: And you did have some really based, awesome scribbles this week, 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,319 so everybody check out. I really enjoy the stuff on Hawking. 50 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,159 I think you had the redo or you had the well. 51 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:13,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, they shut that down. My Greta Thunberg Hitler was 52 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,639 up for It's still up on Facebook. It's like it's 53 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,319 getting over like seventy thousand right now, and I'm like, 54 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,639 how's how is that up? Literally Hitler with braids and 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,199 and but if I if I made a cartoon of 56 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:35,159 Stephen Hawking going to Epstein Island, it's in thirty seconds, 57 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:38,120 a thirty second thing, and they just took it down 58 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,319 so fast. It's because he's a he's godly. He's like 59 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,319 talk about a new religion. That's like he's like, no, 60 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,560 you cannot. He's not only in a wheelchair. He talks funny, 61 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,520 but he knows a lot of stuff that we can't understand. 62 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:56,039 Speaker 1: But we trust him. We broke that story on We 63 00:03:56,039 --> 00:03:58,120 actually broke that story because I was actually with him. 64 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:01,039 I rode in, he gave me, I hopped up on 65 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,039 his lap, and he wheeled me around on Epstein's Island 66 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,439 and we were going up a hill to go to 67 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:09,400 the temple and it his his thing tippled, it toppled 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,479 over in the bat it has it's run on like 69 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,599 fifty double A batteries and all the batteries toppled out 70 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,399 rolled down the hill. I had had to gather them 71 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,160 all up, sticking back in the wheelchair as he rolled 72 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,600 me up to the orgy. And that's how I was 73 00:04:21,639 --> 00:04:24,199 able to break that story on ball room, right. 74 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,519 Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, so he took that down and then 75 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:30,480 I was like, all right, I'll just put up five 76 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,279 second clip of him in the eyes, white jut mask, 77 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:35,639 looking around with the piano in the background, and that 78 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,879 actually was almost more effective because it was just there's 79 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:41,600 no talking. It was just him like witnessing. 80 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:49,519 Speaker 1: Uh. And for me, which I do appreciate, I'm caguified. 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,160 So you gave me the cage treatment. We always welcome 82 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:54,800 the cage treatment. Now, I didn't see this other video 83 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:58,279 of you with the you look like you have Jared 84 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:00,839 Ledo's face with your beard. Whose face is that? 85 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,879 Speaker 3: That's that's it, Shapi. It's unfortunate that I have. It's 86 00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:08,000 Ben Shapiro. But my beard stops me from doing a 87 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,800 lot of people because it just doesn't work. I like, 88 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:13,879 try George Soros, I'm looking at him like nope, yeah. 89 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,079 Speaker 1: Well I was, Yeah, so I don't I can't really 90 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,639 do that good of a Ben Shapiro. But when I 91 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:20,079 was practicing it for that before I made that video 92 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,639 last night, I was like, you know what all I 93 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,040 gotta do is just speed this up with the the 94 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:29,040 speed thing and you know, final cut, and it's like 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,720 and track twenty three out and tell me, Adam, no, no, 96 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:38,279 just say a bunch of stuff that's you know, sounds say. 97 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 3: A lot of fast things, a couple of extra. 98 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: Logic contradiction, the climate change, social justice. 99 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: My yeah, he's he's fun of because especially all like 100 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:52,399 my my right leaning boomer people, they get so excited 101 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:57,120 when I attack like low hanging fruit lefty social justice. 102 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: And the criticize. 103 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, they just get so man. They're just like, don't. 104 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:08,079 Speaker 1: Why the conservatives? Why you hate people on our side? 105 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: Exactly my side, the side, what. 106 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: Are you punching rating? We're like, we're like girls slapping 107 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,360 on the right. All right. So so let's say, so 108 00:06:22,439 --> 00:06:25,160 you've you've had uh some winners this week, You've had 109 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,279 quite a few hits here. Let's see what can we 110 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:35,079 which ones can we put up safely? Let's see, let's 111 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:37,040 see the Bernie one. That one's pretty good. Let's put 112 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,000 the Bernie one up. Bernie says, we need to have 113 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:44,800 gun control, and then we need to have rent control, 114 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:51,319 and then we need to have the full control. Let's see, 115 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:54,160 let me add that one. So we got a little 116 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:59,000 Bernie in the house. If you got them, Bernie them. 117 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,800 So there's our Bernie. Sorry, there's many many more. Instagram 118 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:15,759 is added now to the description my mind is I'm 119 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,199 kind of tired today. I had to do a whole 120 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:20,000 talk on Aquinas for the subscribers to Jason also, some 121 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,680 of mine is kind of mushed today, but we will 122 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,000 power through, all right, So let's talk about Greta. I'm 123 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,600 glad that you did cartoonize her and immortalize her. It 124 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,600 was funny. Tristan actually called my attention to Greta probably 125 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:35,759 a month or two ago. I didn't even know who 126 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,720 this was, why this mattered, and I remember Tristan was 127 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:40,680 talking about it. I was like, who is this girl? Who 128 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:44,199 cares what some I thought she's like a ten year old. Oh, 129 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:47,600 it turns out she's actually almost an adult. Because that 130 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,000 was by design, by the way, because that way nobody 131 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,319 can make fun of her criticizer, because then all the 132 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,560 idiot boomer liberals who actually came after me on my 133 00:07:56,959 --> 00:07:58,839 social media. They were like, why are you making fun 134 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:02,839 of a kid? Unbelievable. I can't believe you would make 135 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:06,839 fun of a kid. And meanwhile, the system promotes pedophilia, 136 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,120 but don't make a joke about a kid. And by 137 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,879 the way, she's not she's actually sixteen, almost an adult. Anyway, 138 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,079 what do you think? 139 00:08:17,879 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I didn't know much about her. I 140 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:24,000 saw a couple of early kind of clips of her, 141 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,800 and I knew that she would get propped up closer 142 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,079 to the election, and I knew they were grooming her. 143 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,720 I didn't know the full backstory. I don't know how 144 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:34,879 much of it is true, all the connections to the 145 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:42,320 early climate change pioneers and freemasonry kind of stuff. Usually 146 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:45,240 don't go full on with that because it's hard to 147 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,200 you know, to validate to like. But but she's a tool. 148 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:55,159 I mean her parents are, you know, like, never were famous. 149 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,960 One's an opera singer, one's an actor. She's now listed 150 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,320 as an actor on IMDb. The daughter Greta, and she's 151 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:05,120 just this is how it is now. It's like the 152 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,279 same way a Casio Cortes tried out for Congress in 153 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,919 a literal audition. We have to kind of get used 154 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:18,480 to this sort of total overlap of politics and entertainment. 155 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,320 I don't even it could have always been like this, 156 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:23,559 but now it's just kind of like rooted, and there's 157 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,000 a lot more you can do with media, so everything 158 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:32,480 happens faster and the process is like streamline. You can 159 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,120 really literally for cheap make a product out of a 160 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:39,639 person and a narrative out of a person in a 161 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,600 way that we've never seen before. And you could do it. 162 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:44,840 We could do it this week if we wanted. We 163 00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:50,120 could like create j and do a character about climate change, 164 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,039 you know, pushing that narrative, and we could probably get 165 00:09:53,039 --> 00:09:55,759 you popular in a month, you know what I mean. 166 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,919 So it's just sometimes I just I don't get too 167 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,320 crazy about like this is crazy because it because if 168 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:04,840 you just step back, you're. 169 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: Like, oh, yeah, this makes sense. 170 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: This makes complete sense, you know, And and it's all 171 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:11,399 people have to understand. It's not about her. It's about 172 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:19,879 Agenda twenty one, and it's about starting with centralized regional planopolises. 173 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,559 And they want to do that. They they know that 174 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:30,720 globalism and controlling food, food and resources and energy. You 175 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:38,039 can't just skip to a a standardized global system, you 176 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,759 have to start regional and that's cities. And so they're 177 00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:43,879 gonna push these really great cities with no cars and 178 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,279 small spaces. I like how they're pushing. Sorry it's a 179 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,559 little tangent, but like it's all connected tiny houses. Like 180 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:54,240 I started watching that and I even got hooked early on, 181 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,120 like oh I could do that. That sounds so cool 182 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,399 and cozy and it's reduced and minimal and they're pushing 183 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:03,879 minimalism and all this stuff, and you realize, holy shit, 184 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,639 like they are. They're pushing compact living, minimal living almost 185 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,559 like outdoor uh jail living, but like nice, yeah, you know, 186 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:16,720 and yeah, well now that's a part of the push too. 187 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. The first thing that makes me think of is Maoism. 188 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,159 Mao is really who pioneered this idea of the youth brigades. 189 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,200 I mean, you could go back and revolutionary thought prior 190 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,320 to Mal, where there were ideas of using kids, using 191 00:11:29,399 --> 00:11:32,159 the youth, But really mal pioneered this because he was 192 00:11:32,159 --> 00:11:36,279 able to convince the youth that they were special, they 193 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:38,919 were the cutting edge. They were like the generation that 194 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:45,399 was destined to overthrow the prior. You know, Chinese traditions, 195 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:49,360 and so he marshaled that that energy of youth, which 196 00:11:49,399 --> 00:11:54,279 is tremendous but super dumb. You are so dumb when 197 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,759 you're a kid. You think you know things, especially when 198 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:00,240 you've already been you're propagandized in a system that each 199 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:02,720 is you all this kind of collectivism and whatnot. And 200 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:07,240 so so Maoism was was really good at that, and 201 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,000 it's exact same strategy and modus operandi of how to 202 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,559 utilize not just youthful energy, but also to utilize the 203 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:19,759 youth in the propaganda. And that's why that's why, for example, 204 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:23,840 even even aside from Maoism, I mean militaries, military recruitment, 205 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:26,919 it goes for young guys, right, because young guys are dumb. 206 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,240 Young guys fall for the propaganda. They fall for the 207 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,039 fact that they think that they're going to be fighting 208 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,559 for you know, American ideals or whatever, patriotism, and they're not. 209 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,440 Actually they're actually fighting for coke and pepsi and vaccines 210 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,399 and abortion and that kind of stuff, right, they're fighting 211 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,240 to have I did a joke video a long time 212 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:48,639 ago that the algorithm didn't didn't like. I thought it 213 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,120 was pretty good, but it was. It was a drill 214 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:55,679 sergeant who was shouting at the guys to that they 215 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,279 were going to be said they were going to be 216 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:03,320 fighting and giving their lives for lungs. I mean, that's 217 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:03,840 that's that's. 218 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 3: That's actually a good commercial. 219 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:07,279 Speaker 1: That was like a true commercial. Right, so you're dying 220 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:11,519 for subway anyway. But the point is that that that's 221 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,399 the propagandist origin of this. We've seen it more recently. 222 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:17,600 I remember twenty first hund Wired did a really good 223 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,919 job covering the whole Syrian situation. There's a lot of 224 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,039 propaganda at the time of Syria with Dusty Boy. Dusty 225 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,120 Boy was a child that was used. They pasted all 226 00:13:27,159 --> 00:13:30,720 over everywhere, and this was to topple a sod the 227 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:34,919 same kinds of thing that that we saw the bush 228 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:40,120 PR firm put out about Sodom Hussein throwing babies out 229 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,200 of incubators. Incubators that was all fake. It was all 230 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,759 stage kids once again, babies, right. We've seen this over 231 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:50,600 and over and over and so it's a very basic 232 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,759 style tactic events that I won't go into that I'm 233 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:57,799 sure everybody knows. More recent events with kids that come 234 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,799 out kids right as the face of these events and 235 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:04,200 then we're supposed to be lectured by a bunch of 236 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:06,960 ten year old, twelve year old thirteen year olds who 237 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:10,120 don't know anything about anything. And then yeah, but I 238 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,039 was actually kind of shocked when I listened to the 239 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,960 chick giving her speech, because I didn't realize it was 240 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,879 that like, whoa dude, she's like really calling for like 241 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,360 trying to put the guilt trip on people, right, like 242 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:28,720 you have stolen my future. It also ties into her parents, 243 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,600 It ties into what you said about propping up people 244 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,120 that have neurological disorders autism. 245 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a protective shield. It's not only they're easier 246 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,320 to control, but the protective aspect is pretty genius because 247 00:14:44,519 --> 00:14:47,720 I mean we've seen it with It started with just minorities, 248 00:14:47,759 --> 00:14:52,120 and then you add in another victim group and then 249 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:54,000 you keep adding them and I can make a list 250 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:57,399 of them, and then you can't make fun of you know, 251 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,519 you can't criticize Israel because that's anti Semitic. And now 252 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:03,960 we're getting to this like neural diverse stuff where if 253 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,039 you start making these these kinds of people, uh, the 254 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,639 the spokespeople, you know, it's a really good trick because 255 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,039 you can just be like just like Hillary, like you're 256 00:15:17,159 --> 00:15:19,720 just you just hate women, and now it's going to 257 00:15:19,799 --> 00:15:21,120 be like you can't make fun of her. 258 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:27,039 Speaker 1: And uh, forget the case of skin go that was 259 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,519 with Hillary was it was it was gender right, and 260 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:32,759 then now they're just extending it to basically any possible 261 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,120 identity is going to somehow be under some kind of 262 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,159 protected class exactly. And and that's by Yeah, we we 263 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:42,720 started noticing that too, that that was bodysign. And but 264 00:15:42,799 --> 00:15:46,039 I like that people are figuring out because we used 265 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:49,519 to talk about this on the old Hoaxbusterers podcast with 266 00:15:49,639 --> 00:15:52,080 John and Chris, where we would cover the fact that 267 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,039 people are it's almost like the audition for roles, like 268 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,080 they auditioned to get the role, not just in a 269 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:02,879 movie or whatever, but to be the face of a movement. Yeah. 270 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:04,559 And I think some of the pop stars have done 271 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,639 this actually, like they want to be the face of 272 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:11,360 whatever agenda, it doesn't matter, right, let's say veganism. This 273 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,240 is something that we've noticed a lot, with Tristan pointing 274 00:16:14,279 --> 00:16:16,519 out all of these people sort of being being picked 275 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:18,759 out in YouTube, in the YouTube crowd and so, oh, 276 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,519 you're going to be the face of you know, YouTube 277 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,879 veganism and Saudi Prince Alba Lead or whatever his name is, 278 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,840 you know billionaire, there's Dad's got you know, Trump's yacht 279 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:32,240 or whatever. Then he puts he puts money into this 280 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,159 YouTube channel, right, And that's what That's what happens, that 281 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,360 people are auditioning to be the face of different movements. 282 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:40,519 And we see that really clear with Greta. And one 283 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,360 last point I wanted to make was that that whole 284 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,759 coffin apartment thing that you were talking about tiny living. 285 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:48,919 I see the millennials just totally buying into this wholesale 286 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:54,720 and just on the movie Tip Jodarowski is Holy Mountain. 287 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:56,960 If you don't know which, I'm not necessarily recommending this. 288 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,600 It's a really degenerate movie. But there's a sea unique 289 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:04,680 scene in the film where they're talking about future cities 290 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:07,640 kind of like smart cities, kind of box apartments smarts, 291 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,839 and they call it a coffin apartment. You basically you 292 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,960 lay in this little coffin that's where you sleep, and 293 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,240 you slide you into the the wall of the walmart 294 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,240 or whatever or the uh. So, I think that there 295 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:22,000 is something prophetic to that movie in it and that 296 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,839 it does kind of predict this death cult extending to 297 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:29,079 the mega smart cities, and you basically live inside of 298 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,680 a target and then at the appointed time, un presumably 299 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,240 then you know you're incinerator. Maybe you sleep in a 300 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,559 little coffin incinerator like a you know, and then it 301 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,640 like when you know, like like Logan's run, when you 302 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,279 hit thirty or whatever, it's time to incinerate you. 303 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: Well, they'll they'll convince you that they're going to upload 304 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,599 your consciousness and it's not going to be provable. So 305 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,000 they're they're like, no, we did it. We there's all 306 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:53,839 this information out out there. We did it. We killed you, 307 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,079 but we saved a lot of stuff. So that's equivalent 308 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,000 because they're gonna you know, they're using like AI incorrect, 309 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,319 like we don't have AI. We have augmented intelligence, but 310 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,359 they're calling it AI and we don't have we don't 311 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,799 actually have artificial intelligence, but everyone's running with the term 312 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,200 and the same way, they're going to trick people into 313 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:17,559 that kind of stuff, and you know, everything is sold 314 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,839 with like you know, now it's all virtue and it's 315 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,319 the best thing for the whole nation or the best 316 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,640 thing for the whole. It started with nation, the best 317 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,440 thing for the town, the best thing for the city, 318 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:32,200 the best thing for the common good. Is now they're 319 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,400 trying to expand the common good to global level. It's 320 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,480 not gonna it's not gonna work. Like it just doesn't 321 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:45,799 work well, like even the even the utilizing protected classes, 322 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,400 autistic people and so forth. They're scaling that technique too fast, 323 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,200 so it's all collapsing everyone. The fact that it got 324 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,640 such a response so quickly, like people annihilated that speech 325 00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:04,160 so fast that and that's like the silent majority is 326 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,720 kind of no longer silent. They're just like, we don't 327 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:09,920 buy this shit, Like we just don't buy it. So 328 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,680 that's the good news. But getting people to understand the 329 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:19,720 intent behind this stuff and the plans people you know, 330 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:22,319 you'd say, I feel like they purposely call it like 331 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,880 Agenda twenty one, so that you sound stupid when you 332 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,400 try to tell it to somebody, you know, like, oh, 333 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,440 that sounds like a conspiracy theory. And then you know, 334 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,559 the early people talking about this, probably yourself. I didn't 335 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:38,559 even really fully dive into it until like last year. 336 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,279 But but yeah, it's it's it's hard to communicate to 337 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:47,400 people because they just don't buy that. There's groups of 338 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,559 people and companies like Semens and all these large companies 339 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:56,119 that will win if this centralization takes place, because the 340 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,799 government will need suppliers and builders and all that stuff, 341 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:06,720 and they want that full term, long life, long contract. Basically, 342 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,880 this is how life is now and uh. And I 343 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,039 think there's enough people that will realize when it's if 344 00:20:14,079 --> 00:20:16,880 it's closer, they'll be like, nah, we're not going to 345 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,400 do this. But there there is an element that I 346 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:24,319 think it's inevitable in some places, like some cities, some 347 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:30,960 European countries perhaps will go full on with that, with 348 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,839 that program. And they you know, they had the they 349 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,400 had the whole thing designed. I forgot the entity. It 350 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,960 was like they hire they used our tax dollars to 351 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:42,640 hire a private company to come up with the terminology 352 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:48,119 and the phrasing and the outline of these megalopolis kind 353 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:53,599 of central centralized cities. And it's called like growing Smart 354 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,759 or something. And there's a whole book on it. Actually 355 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,519 there's like the book. I'll try to figure it out 356 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:03,720 and maybe you could post it after in the comment 357 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,400 or in the description, but there's a whole manual about it. 358 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,079 It's so it's like you know people who are like, oh, 359 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,640 you're crazy. No, it's all of this stuff is documented. 360 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally. I mean when I put out Estra 361 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,160 Hollywood one, there's a couple of chapters where I talked 362 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,680 about the smart cities. I talked about it in relationship 363 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,960 to Minority Report, Logan's Run, and maybe a couple more. 364 00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:30,759 But and then I did a video last year on 365 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,599 the Saudi city Neom, which is one of the big 366 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:37,960 smart city projects. But what you were talking about with AI, 367 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:43,400 it reminds me. I did a talk long time ago, 368 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,240 five years ago, four years ago. I'll put it in 369 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:47,400 the chat right now because I'd totally forgotten this, But 370 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,519 I actually did a talk on There's a famous essay 371 00:21:50,519 --> 00:21:54,359 called Mines, Machines and Girdell, and it's actually a famous argument. 372 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,759 It's I think I'll linked the paper in the description. 373 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:00,519 It's posted, maybe not, but CHI can look it up. 374 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,119 It's a it's a famous sort of Oxford essay maybe 375 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,359 from the seventies, and it's kind of making the argument 376 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,839 that you'll never get actual consciousness from AI because artificial 377 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,119 intelligence is basically just what you put into it. It's 378 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,079 like saying that, oh, one day the math problems will 379 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:20,240 come alive. No, math problems and algorithms are only going 380 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:22,960 to ever be math problems. They're never going to be alive. 381 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:27,119 The number seven pie is not going to attack you. Okay, 382 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,519 it's not going to come alive. It could be programmed 383 00:22:31,519 --> 00:22:33,799 to attack you, but that doesn't mean that it's coming alive. 384 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:35,640 And this is one thing we also noticed back when 385 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,640 we were doing the old hoxtposter shows too, was that 386 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,720 point you were hinting at that a lot of this 387 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:42,039 is sold to you. It's a lot of this is propaganda, 388 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,680 especially something like that you're going to be downloaded into 389 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,640 a computer, You're going to be put on a zip drive, 390 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:51,599 right like a damn genie or something like oh yeah, 391 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,279 your spirit we're gonna I mean, it's literally a superstitious level, 392 00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,640 like they're going to put you into a zip drive. 393 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,720 That's crazy. No, what they're doing is they're playing a 394 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,039 slide of hand where they're talking about if they've recorded you, 395 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,680 and they've recorded video of you or maybe even fMRI 396 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,599 recorded your thoughts or whatever. Right, the argument is that, 397 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:18,960 well that's you, because you is just these vocal patterns, 398 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,319 these imprints, these neurons firing, and so if we record 399 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,240 those things, that's you. So therefore we are uploading you 400 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,799 to the global brain. But of course that's not you. 401 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,440 That's recording of you. And I know that sounds dumb 402 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,519 to people, but I'm not joking. If you look up, 403 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,720 there's a video. I can't remember this billionaire's name, but 404 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:48,319 it's a billionaire tech person who is now she and 405 00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:54,160 the lover died of the person, and so what the 406 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,720 guy or whatever this person is recorded a bunch of 407 00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:04,359 the lovers thoughts ideas, like he would do something weird 408 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,079 like sit and record the love the spouse or whatever 409 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,319 for hours every day. And the argument was that this 410 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,160 person thought that when it created the AI bought of 411 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,480 this person, it would literally be that person because it's 412 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:25,799 that person's thoughts, mannerisms, features, and so it literally shaped 413 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:29,240 the head, you know, into the person's spouse or whatever 414 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720 after it died. I mean, it looks ridiculous. It looks 415 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,440 like a damn beam, It looks like a B movie. 416 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,079 But what I'm the point of that was that here 417 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,599 you have a tech billionaire who's out of crazy literally 418 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,519 insane thinking and arguing that this severed head of a 419 00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:50,119 black woman robot talking is the lover, It's not. It's 420 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,759 a robot head. That's not your lover. It's a robot head. 421 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,519 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, People will want to sell themselves on that 422 00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:03,240 because the level to which they are willing to believe it, 423 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:08,480 if that's matched with the how convincing it is. So 424 00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:13,000 we can be convinced by illusion that we're seeing something, 425 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,160 or that something's really there, or the cat really knows 426 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,880 what that sentence meant, like fully, like we experience it, 427 00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:23,960 and so we can convince ourselves. It's like those new 428 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,519 concave TVs. They're getting to the point. I think it's 429 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:33,480 like sixteen thousand pixels per square inch is the tipping 430 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,000 point to where you can't distinguish reality from a TV. 431 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:41,000 So when they get that, they're replicating the experience of 432 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,440 what you perceive to be real and it's a trick, 433 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,680 and so they're able to argue that if it can 434 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:51,839 fool the person, then it must be real because there's 435 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:56,200 no difference. But at that point it seems like a 436 00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:00,799 self refuting argument because why you would be fooling yourself 437 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:05,440 to begin with then, so then nothing's real basically, so 438 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:14,680 those those kinds of endeavors are all reduced to playing 439 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,240 your being your own God. I think on a on 440 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:22,000 a wider baseline thing I've I've been in those communities. 441 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,480 Like when I left my hometown I went to l A, 442 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,640 I immediately ditched religion and God and I immediately immersed 443 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,400 myself into futurism and technology and I replaced it. I 444 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,200 replaced one euristic for another. 445 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: And you're not You're not an ai black woman, are you? Secretly? 446 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: No? No? No, And so yeah, I was all into that, 447 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:49,440 like all of it. 448 00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:49,839 Speaker 1: I was. 449 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,319 Speaker 3: I was all around those guys, like I was helping 450 00:26:53,440 --> 00:27:00,480 produce futurist events. There was like Kurtsweil and all those guys, well, 451 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:05,240 the investors were around, and I was just infatuated with 452 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,960 it all because it's the same concept. It's like we're 453 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,039 gonna transcend. There's gonna be a hive mind. It's gonna 454 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:15,119 be And of course, when I finally became honest with myself, 455 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,640 I was like, I'm not going to do any of that, 456 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,319 like I'll talk about it, sell it to people. 457 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,319 Speaker 1: And then I realized that that kind of looks like you, 458 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:30,200 I don't know, So that's the that's the tech billionaire's 459 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:35,160 robot lover. Uh And I did, I could not remember. 460 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,000 I dug it up Martin Rothblatt, and so the lover 461 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,920 passed away. And here is the I mean, these ai 462 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:46,480 they look like some of them a B movie do. 463 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,759 They don't even look that like we're supposed to believe 464 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,000 or in some tech utopia. And oh dude, it's so advanced. 465 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,359 It's so advanced. That looks like something from freaking Valley 466 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,640 of the Dolls or some shit. I don't I mean, 467 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,759 you may not be able to see it, but it 468 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:05,680 looks goofy. But yeah, so, and that, by the way, 469 00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:13,119 points that that illustrates the fact that the transmutation agendas, 470 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:22,559 genetic modification, sexuality, they are ultimately about the post human agenda. 471 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,599 That's the right point of. 472 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:29,519 Speaker 3: It, right, Yeah, they're gonna they they're way ahead in 473 00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:32,319 their heads about it, like they can imagine all this. 474 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:34,759 I remember the feeling of like thinking ahead and be 475 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,480 like it's gonna be like this, it's gonna be And 476 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,559 you realize that you're only talking to people at like 477 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,279 dinner parties about it, and uh, really, things don't move 478 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:49,119 the way you think. Also, there's always backlash, like people 479 00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:54,759 wear natural beings. We there's something that we we just 480 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,680 hold on to the natural state we're in, and there's 481 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,720 always going to be that resistant. It's against those those people. 482 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,200 And even when it gets to the point where you know, 483 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:10,400 some sort of weird connectivity, like they perfect neuralink to 484 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,400 the point where you know, I can eat a banana 485 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,920 and have it tastes and someone else eats ice cream 486 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,319 and we both taste both things, and people will get 487 00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:25,279 that novelty and get all crazy about it, but it's 488 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:28,519 all it's just it's all silly. 489 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:35,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm looking at a robot with crossed us, 490 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,440 so yeah, talk about silly. But yeah, no, it illustrates 491 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,319 your point perfectly there. So yeah, I mean, this is 492 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,680 not going to become. The only way that you would 493 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,079 believe that a robot could evolve into consciousness is to 494 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,240 redefine the term consciousness to mean whatever you want it 495 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,400 to mean. And that's essentially what I was getting getting 496 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,039 at earlier with just saying that a replica or a mimic. 497 00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:01,799 Mymesis that that it is identical to you. But that's 498 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:04,960 completely absurd. Nobody actually believes that. But it's just kind 499 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,279 of a mythology. So yeah, we're right back at mythology. 500 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:12,960 Where're right back a superstition. So on Greta too. I 501 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,440 didn't want to mention too that somebody was a fussing 502 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,640 with me. Actually, multiple people about the actress comment now, 503 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,319 they said, look, anytime that you are in a documentary, 504 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,799 you're listed on IMDb as an actor. Okay, but the 505 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,559 first thing on Greta's filmography was drama. It was not 506 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,680 her place in a documentary, it was her place in 507 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,680 a drama. And she's in other dramas. So yes, she 508 00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:46,079 is an actress in dramas. That means that she is 509 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:52,359 not primarily a genius whiz kid chosen for her you 510 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:56,759 know stuff on mall new level IQ, but chosen in 511 00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,640 fact for her role as an actress. And this is 512 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,480 something we've seen pretty consistently. Actually I've called attention to it. 513 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,920 I'm i gonna read too much into this, but nobody 514 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,759 has really called attention to the fact except a couple 515 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:14,599 of people, that Fidel Castro has an IMDb page, and 516 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,640 not just for being in documentaries about Cuba. Actually, early 517 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,519 on Castro was in Hollywood. He was hanging out with 518 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,119 a lot of the Hollywood people. He tried out for 519 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,920 the Dodgers, and he has an IMDb page as an 520 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,880 extra in different movies back in the fifties. Now, make 521 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,400 of that what you will. I'm not trying to make 522 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,279 too much out of it. But I did do a 523 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,319 talk on the history of the CFR and the relationship 524 00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:40,359 to Cuba accuarant to Savando Gonzalez, which is a good book. 525 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200 But I bring all that up to say that it 526 00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:47,400 is worth looking at to talk about the Hollywood side 527 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,880 of this, because a lot of people are chosen for 528 00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,279 these roles, as we said, because they're more or less auditioning, 529 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,079 and they might not even know that. I mean, they 530 00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:56,440 may have been groomed for this role since they were younger, 531 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,480 if their parents were connected. Now I'm told I've not 532 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,559 done a lot of research into her family, but a 533 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,039 lot of people have said that she actually is from 534 00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:07,720 a very well connected family, you know, and from where 535 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:11,160 she's from. But I didn't really even pay that much 536 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,680 attention because it's the same thing I've seen over and 537 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,880 over and over. I mean, if you've looked at this 538 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,839 kind of stuff, yeah, you know for a lot of years, 539 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,839 you kind of already know how it works. You know 540 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,400 that the patterns, it's always the same. They just kind 541 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,000 of roll out the same thing over and over because 542 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,839 people don't remember. They don't remember that, Oh, that's what 543 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,839 they did with Dusty Boy. Dusty Boy was a prop 544 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,880 for the Syria operation. 545 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:36,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, people just generally don't like remember anything. They just 546 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,480 don't recall back and measure the two against each other 547 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,799 because if it's a brand new issue and it's a 548 00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:44,400 hot button issue and it's an emotional issue, it's like 549 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:48,119 its to them has nothing to do with the patterns. 550 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,920 Like someone like yourself and you know, someone like Owen Benjamin, 551 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,799 the ability to see patterns is really powerful, and to 552 00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,720 be able to re lay those two people is really important, 553 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:05,279 regardless of the conclusions people draw. Just laying out the 554 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:08,160 patterns the way you look at movies and see the 555 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,640 patterns of the delivered messages and the symbolism, and being 556 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,440 able to deliver that to people allows them to have 557 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,839 that sort of format in their brain to maybe see 558 00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:24,599 it more like I don't have great pattern recognition like that. 559 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,319 I also don't have an in depth level of historical 560 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,680 knowledge or theology as you and many other people, but 561 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,319 I know that by practicing it, it gets better. You 562 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,359 can see things better wider, and I think people are 563 00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:44,240 doing that, and I think that's a natural thing that 564 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200 needs to happen, because we get such small bits of 565 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,519 information so fast that all of these attention deficit disorders 566 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:55,480 and all this stuff is just a reaction to small 567 00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:02,599 bits of information. And so these longer, longer periods of 568 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:06,119 talking with people, like people are consuming a lot more 569 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:08,360 of this kind of thing now, which is cool because 570 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,440 they're getting what like larger bits of information that they 571 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,840 can digest and see on a wider scale versus this 572 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,599 very quick, superficial bits. Like I look at it, like 573 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,920 the media in Hollywood and all the powerful entities, they 574 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:31,239 are just like dropping tiny fish food like in the tank, 575 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,360 and most people are just swimming at the top and 576 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,679 eating whatever is there. Just eat it, eat it, eat it. 577 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,599 And sometimes you have to be like the fish who's 578 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,320 just kind of looking around in the corner and just 579 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,639 watching it all and trying to piece it all together. 580 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,559 And not everyone can do that, which is why, like you're, uh, 581 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,760 there's a lot of people who cover different topics like yourself, 582 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,159 But you guys are doing all good jobs because you're 583 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,079 collecting all the data and you're presenting it in a 584 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,000 way that people can understand where they can see patterns 585 00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:06,840 that matter, Like it matters to see the patterns. And 586 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,239 you know, the Greta thing, just like you said, it's 587 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,000 just another pattern. It's no different than you know, Jesse's 588 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,960 Smollett bumping shoulders with someone at a party and they're like, hey, 589 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,159 you want to you want to do something bigger, you know, 590 00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:23,199 you want to do something bigger than the lines. How 591 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:25,800 about something that's really going to make a difference. You 592 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,199 want to make a difference, Jesse. 593 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,559 Speaker 1: And do you see Confessions of a Dangerous Mind? Yeah, 594 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:34,840 it's like that scene when when the guy comes up 595 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,280 to recruit. Is it George Clooney who plays the main 596 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,840 role or is George Cleaney playing the CI. 597 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 3: I can't remember Sam Sam Rockwell, that's right. 598 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And he comes up and he's like, son, what 599 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,880 do you want to serve your country? You know? And 600 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,760 now that's more like you know, fifties sixty cold war stuff. 601 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,719 But and nowadays it wouldn't be so much. Maybe the 602 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,239 country unless they had already you know, profiled you as 603 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,719 a patriot. It would be more like, you know, the 604 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,400 Vegan climate animal agenda. You want to save the animals, 605 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,679 let's go, yeah, rate some farms tonight. Oh, we liked to. 606 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:15,800 I actually knew a guy, by the way who did this. 607 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,679 This cracks me up because there's a guy that was 608 00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:22,920 from my hometown and he was involved in some weird 609 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,760 churchy type stuff back in the day. I always thought 610 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,159 he was kind of a weird dude. And then he 611 00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:32,760 got super into peta, not peta bread, but peta right 612 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,719 for the animals. He was obsessed with Peter Bread. He 613 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,320 got into peta and I remember back in two thousand 614 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960 and four or five he was like devoted to this. 615 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,679 And his brother, who eventually became a professor at the 616 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,800 university that I used to go to set up a 617 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,119 debate between me and this dude. This is It was 618 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,280 actually all three of us, because one was a peda guy, 619 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,920 one was a philosophy guy, and then there was me. 620 00:36:56,559 --> 00:37:00,719 So we had like a three hour debate about vegan as, peta, 621 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:05,760 animal rights, and atheism. This is I don't know, many 622 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,239 many years ago. Now. The weird part was that the 623 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,400 guy had left the church that he was in totally 624 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:17,119 was totally committed to the PEDA stuff and The reason 625 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,760 he got high up at Peta was because he snuck 626 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,239 into one of the Tyson I don't know, one of 627 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,039 those big nasty food factories where you know, the kid 628 00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:28,920 the chickens are all in the little cages or whatever. 629 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,880 So he filmed some footage in there, and oh, you know, 630 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,639 the Peda people were in love with him for a while, 631 00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:37,599 and then so then it sturts out. He like his 632 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,719 whole worldview collapsed when it came out that the Peda 633 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,159 people were behind that dog killing farm. If you remember 634 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:48,480 that story where was Peter was actually having dogs put 635 00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,440 to death, and like it was this huge scandal, maybe 636 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,920 four or five years ago. Anyway, I'd say all that 637 00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:57,840 just to say that the reason that he went down 638 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,719 this road was because he had a did Darwinism. He 639 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,400 went to college, he figured out that Darwinism was true. 640 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,559 And if Darwinism is true, he reasoned, well, we're just 641 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,519 the you know, the animals are our older brothers, and 642 00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:15,440 so it's essentially killing your great great great uncle to 643 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,800 you know, eat them. And if you're not a cannibal, 644 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,360 then you should be a vegan. And this led him 645 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,800 down this crazy path. And it was all because he 646 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,159 was propagandized by the Darwinism at the university level, and 647 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:34,719 then it all came crashing down when these corporate run 648 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,920 He didn't realize that Pete and these kinds of things 649 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,039 are like corporate controlled front type things. When he realized that, 650 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,800 it all collapses, And the whole time I'm sitting there thinking, 651 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,039 Bro could have told you this the whole time I 652 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,880 watched the movie. I watched the movie Twelve Monkeys, And 653 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,920 if you've seen Twelve Monkeys, you know it's a big 654 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,119 bunch of front Like you're being used, right, because the 655 00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:59,559 Brad Pitt character who's insane, he's literally insane in the movie. 656 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,800 It's his dad that runs the GMO company that's actually 657 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,760 doing all the you know, crazy stuff. Brad pitts insane, 658 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,039 and he falls in and creates this vegan cult, right, 659 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,159 the Society of the Twelve Monkeys, which is dedicated to 660 00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,880 setting the animals free. So in many ways, again I'm 661 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,440 way off off topic, but it's just an illustrative story 662 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,039 that I can remember of a guy who got propaganda's 663 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:25,320 and the whole thing collapsed when he realized that Pedo 664 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,760 was involved in having dogs put the death. 665 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because even if if you abandon a 666 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:41,960 transcendent for source for morality, your need for morality doesn't 667 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,320 go away. It just gets transplanted onto something else that 668 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,960 you could morph it and invert it into other things 669 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,199 and justify a lot of different actions. That's not to 670 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,039 say that people don't justify actions, you know, religiously, but 671 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,800 it's the same thing what you just said. It's like, 672 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,800 if you go down that road, you can you are 673 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,519 giving yourself permission to rewrite the guidelines for morality based 674 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:10,639 on and the basis for it is just like you said, well, no, 675 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,559 we're all just accidents and we're all related in some level. 676 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:18,719 The dog is just a really early version or whatever, 677 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,599 and you can just justify anything because it's all just one. 678 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,960 It's like, what do you call it? Uh? Is it 679 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:29,239 monism or is that just? Is that theological? Like I'm saying, 680 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:30,519 everything is everything? 681 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: Everything, everything is essentially just one type of thing. It 682 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,280 doesn't matter what you say. 683 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 3: It sounds yeah, it sounds so nice, and in a 684 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,639 way it's true in some respects, but there's a way 685 00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,920 to like really pervert that idea and you end up 686 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,440 going down some really dark paths because nothing nothing matters. 687 00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,039 You can just say anything. You can just you know. 688 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,400 It's like what Sam Harris said when he was asked, 689 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,239 you know, Sam, but if there's no morality, then like, 690 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,880 how do you how do I tell my kid to 691 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,239 you know, to make good choices and make moral choices? 692 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,800 And what do I say to him? And he says, ironically, 693 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,880 will you lie? He just he said you lie? And so, 694 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:14,679 which is so such a funny thing that always stuck 695 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,679 with me because. 696 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: I thought always mad that Christians are lying garden, very 697 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,760 garden sky. 698 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:28,119 Speaker 3: And that's why that's what's stuck with me, is that 699 00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:32,719 it's it's self refuting of the argument that you know, 700 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,280 religious people shouldn't lie to kids, it's child abuse. But 701 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,199 he just said, you lie, you know, And and so 702 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,679 that was like, I don't know why that just that's 703 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,079 that was such an eye opener to me, and that 704 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,880 that that moment of hearing that, because I did follow 705 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,559 Sam Hars for a while and I was like, he's 706 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:55,079 smart and he can use all these big words and 707 00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:58,880 talk around people. But then I just simply confronted the 708 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,079 reality that I believe objective morality exists. And we talked 709 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:10,000 about this before. Is it a different statement than morality 710 00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:15,239 is objective, and you said it's the same to some extent, 711 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,679 but it can be different. You can break those two 712 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,079 statements up. Does morality? Does objective morality exist? Like can 713 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:26,159 we point to can we point to it? And I 714 00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:29,639 think the answer is yes, And I can't. I can't 715 00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:34,599 say that that is true that while basing it on 716 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,800 just my own personal like you know, human just the 717 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,360 idea of man creating it, it doesn't make sense that 718 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,960 it reduces it back to subjective. So once you once 719 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:54,480 you accept that you believe or that you know, objective 720 00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:58,800 morality exists, it's some level, any level, it doesn't actually 721 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,159 matter because if it exists, that means it can't be 722 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,960 given by man. It just man. And so that logical 723 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,639 premise sent me into so many crazy debates watching like 724 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,559 you know, people like yourself and other people debate this 725 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,920 stuff and how it's not really presented in mainstream at all, 726 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:26,239 like these important questions that used to be front and 727 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,599 center in culture, Like we're all pretending that these questions 728 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:33,480 have been solved and we're going to leave God in 729 00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,320 the past, God is dead and all this shit. It's 730 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,079 actually it's not even close and it's just a big 731 00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:43,440 lie and everyone and you know it is because if 732 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,599 you bring up the conversation, people are very willing to 733 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,559 enter the conversation. That's how you know it's not dead. 734 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:56,119 Atheists are very willing to join the conversation. And so 735 00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,880 I think that's cool. It's sort of a tangent, but 736 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:05,000 it's I think it's all related, like like on a 737 00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:08,880 base level. That's how what we're looking at. Everything that 738 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,760 we're pointing out that people are doing, all the planning, 739 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:18,599 everything has this underlying baseline moral claim. Greta has a 740 00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:23,719 baseline moral claim, and the question is on what basis 741 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,079 is it moral to listen to her and her ideas 742 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,320 or the people behind her. And once they realize that, 743 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,840 you can't answer that, or the answer is some weird 744 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:40,320 thing like pragmatism. Pragmatism, pragmatism is your basis for morality. 745 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,199 We can explore that. It can It's going to get 746 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:47,440 toppled in about three sentences. But and so that's kind 747 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,760 of like my new favorite thing exploring is like the 748 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,960 only valid moral claim someone could make or refute is 749 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,960 if they believe it's objective. That's the only way you 750 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,639 can refute a moral claim, because if you say no, 751 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,480 he's subjective, you have no basis to refute any moral claim. 752 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:10,000 And once you're in that crazy loop, I was there 753 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,639 for like a week going home, what the hell this 754 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,599 is crazy? But then it becomes very clear when people 755 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,400 assume moral claims, like my favorite is, if God exists, 756 00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:26,320 why why would he do all those terrible things? And 757 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,440 I go, whose basis of morality are you using? You're 758 00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:36,480 using God's sense of morality against himself. So you're already 759 00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:42,280 you're already saying your argument already starts with God exists 760 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,639 and his morality exists. But now you're just taking it 761 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,760 like Christopher Higgins and used to do it all the time, 762 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,039 several centuries of suffering and death and teeth rots and 763 00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,960 all of this stuff. And he doesn't realize the whole 764 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,480 time he was he was using the bait like someone 765 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,320 else's basis for morality. 766 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: If God exists, how come my sister is an art 767 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:15,079 hot So what it made me think of was, yeah, 768 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,039 So one thing that's helpful in kind of sketching out 769 00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:23,119 a basic way to categorize all possible world views, and 770 00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:24,960 this can be done in philascy. This is kind of 771 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,360 one of the areas where I when I tutor or 772 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,480 teach people philosophy, I'll start out, I'm not trying to 773 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,920 offend you or say that you're anube or anything like that. 774 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,320 I'm just saying for the sake of the audience, just 775 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,119 for the sake of the audience, that you can sketch 776 00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:41,760 out about three or four basic positions that almost all 777 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,599 religions and world views will fall into. Not every single religion, 778 00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:49,000 because some are unique, but most of the time you 779 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,719 can you can pigeonhole it into about four or five 780 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,159 different starting points. So most religions will either or worldviews 781 00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,960 will be monistic. And this doesn't have to just be materialism. 782 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,519 It could be materialism our day. Most monistic worldviews are 783 00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:05,440 definitely materialists. They think that all that exists is you know, 784 00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:11,199 solid physicalism, matter. And basically, when you say monisman, you're 785 00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,719 saying that all and everything that exists is that thing, 786 00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:16,400 just that one thing. Every now and then you might 787 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,960 bump into a weirdo philosopher who thinks that ideas are 788 00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,480 really what exists. And so even though it seems like 789 00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:28,360 things are physical, really physicality also is just an idea. 790 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,039 So sometimes there are philosophers who are idealists who are 791 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:37,320 also monists. Now it's really really easy to refute that. 792 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,000 One thing I would say is that if we still 793 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,000 want to be logical, if we still want to be rational, 794 00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:46,320 if we still want to be cogent and coherent, monism 795 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,920 is incoherent because pretty consistently we have to make distinctions. 796 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,840 We have to talk about that thing not being that thing. 797 00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:57,639 I'm not the Bunyan on Joe Rogan's foot, right, I'm not. 798 00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,840 I mean, it may seem like I am, but I'm not. 799 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:05,320 I'm not the std Wart upon the testicles of Bill Cosby. 800 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,199 It may seem like I am, but I'm actually not. 801 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,719 I'm distinct from that thing, and so are you, right, 802 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,639 And we all therefore do not want to be those 803 00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:16,519 warts or Bunyans. So we all implicitly do believe we 804 00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:18,480 are distinct from other things. I mean, it would be 805 00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:22,760 utterly nonsensical and absurd to believe that there are no 806 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,039 distinctions and that no distinctions are real. And ultimately some 807 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,440 of those world views do go there, like the Far 808 00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:33,159 Eastern systems typically do go into full on metaphysical monism 809 00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,719 and say, yeah, actually, what you need to do is meditate, 810 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,400 center a mountain, roll around in your feces and stare 811 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,079 up at the sky, and you'll realize after ten years 812 00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:44,559 that all things are one, and you'll realize that all 813 00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:49,760 distinctions are illusions. That's absurdity, that's stupidity. No, it's not 814 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,719 bad to be different, it's not bad to have distinctions. Right, 815 00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:56,400 So most world philosophies and religions, once you realize that 816 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,880 they're premised on that dialectic of one versus many, of 817 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:03,000 the collective versus the you know, then you're kind of 818 00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:06,880 already ferreting out most of the mistakes in human history. 819 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,800 But I know that sounds crazy, but it's really it 820 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:11,400 really is kind of that simple. You can move on 821 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,679 from monism and talk about dualism. Some religions have said, yeah, 822 00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:18,559 you know what, that monism stuff is dumb. So you 823 00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:21,239 know what, everything is just two different things fighting positive 824 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,599 and negative electrons day and night, black and white, good 825 00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:25,800 and evil, and these are real forces and they're just 826 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,119 always fighting throughout it. And so all of history is 827 00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:31,199 like Zoroastrianism or you know, some kind of weird dualism 828 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,639 or whatever, but there's really no overriding principle if everything 829 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,639 is intension, if everything is in dualistic tension, and the 830 00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:42,559 good is just as equal to the bad, then they 831 00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:46,920 necessitate one another, and you actually get some philosophy sort 832 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,159 of Luciferian or Masonic philosophies who will a gnostic philosophies 833 00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:52,960 who will literally say that. They'll literally say good is 834 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,360 just the flip side of evil. Evil is the flip 835 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,960 side of good. But if that's the case, good and 836 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,039 evil are relativized. They need one another, they feed on 837 00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:04,000 one another. So we can't have that philosophy that breaks 838 00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:08,239 down into stupidity and self contradiction at a very basic level. 839 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,360 As we said, the other option could be to say, okay, 840 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,719 well I don't accept monism or dualism. I just accept 841 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,079 that we kind of like meditate into negation, into some 842 00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:20,760 kind of thusness. We just become one with all things 843 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,360 and we just sort of dissolve, right, absorb into the 844 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,000 unity of all of all of the all. This is 845 00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:30,519 absurd because this denies who you are. Why would you 846 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:33,760 want It's essentially a suicidal philosophy. Why would you want 847 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,000 to absorb into the one, into the collective? Like you're good, 848 00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,440 you're there's nothing wrong with you existing and being here. 849 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,920 There's no more satanic philosophy than the idea that you 850 00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:46,800 have to destroy the self. That's a suicidal satanic philosophy. 851 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,599 It's nihilistic ultimately. And then the only other option possible 852 00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:53,119 from these starting points is to say, okay, well, I 853 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:55,920 don't accept monism, I don't accept duism, dualism. I don't 854 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,760 accept you know, ad negation into total unity or the 855 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,840 thusness of the universe. I just believe in total, pure chaos. 856 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,480 And some people do go that ray they so well, 857 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:12,400 you know, it's total anarchism, it's total polytheism, paganism, hedonism, anarchism, 858 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,360 those are all manifestations of just a kind of fundamental 859 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,159 chaotic worldview. And really this is just a return to 860 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,800 ancient paganism, right because ancient paganism, it would talk about 861 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,039 different gods, it would talk about different principles, but really 862 00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:30,000 what what dictates is the fates. In ancient pagan religion, 863 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,000 the fates even determine the destiny of you and the gods. 864 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,159 So you can go with those options, and are those 865 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,480 there really the only basic metaphysical options you have. You 866 00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:44,000 don't have any other options. It's just the way they're 867 00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:45,599 I mean, you can look at all the history of 868 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,480 religions and they're all going to manifest those three or 869 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,599 four options. Now, I think orthodox Christianity is unique in 870 00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,280 that it avoids some of these dialectics that are that 871 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,039 are fundamental presubsistional dialectics. But that's just a little primer 872 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,320 on philosophy and metaphysics and how to approach these questions 873 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,480 that I think is helpful, and you'll notice those patterns 874 00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,159 when you look at religions and debates and how people 875 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,960 argue things out. But I think you hit on what's 876 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,960 the central basic critique that's really an easy way to 877 00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,119 understand a transcendental argument or the pre subdisitional argument, which 878 00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,039 is just from ethics, which is just to say, look, 879 00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,679 if there isn't a God, then there's not objective moral standards. 880 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,760 If there's not objective moral standards, then we're all kidding 881 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,039 ourselves and we're playing a game. And it's not wrong 882 00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:30,880 to be hypocrite. This is one thing that's really funny 883 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,239 that the atheist did. They'd be like Christians are buds 884 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,159 of hypocrites. Yeah, so what what's wrong with being a hypocrite? 885 00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:39,159 Be a hypocrite all you want, bro, there's nothing wrong 886 00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:44,239 with that. Yeah, the fact you should being a hypocrite. 887 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,639 Speaker 3: Right, you would need to borrow morality of the hypocrite 888 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,400 to use it against him. But if you don't believe 889 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,480 in morality, how could you call someone a hypocrite? Like, 890 00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:59,079 there's nothing wrong with it. Also, the dissolving into nothing thing, 891 00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:04,719 you know, i'veah with everything you said, like you're you're referencing, 892 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,119 like you know, all of time and man and their 893 00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:12,360 transitions through all of these things, and I'm thinking like, oh, 894 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,199 this is actually how my life went, like it started, 895 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,599 you know, Christian religious, you know, just listen to my 896 00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:22,920 mom and what she says and don't really think about 897 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,280 it and explore it, just kind of like take it 898 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,079 and be like okay. But then breaking away from that 899 00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:32,920 and then exploring the Eastern stuff and then getting into meditation. 900 00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:35,800 I did, like the passana, like the Ten Day Meditation, 901 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,800 and this breaking away thing into nothing into thusness is 902 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,000 funny because it almost makes me think of like a 903 00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:50,079 meme comic, because you're the moment you think you've obliterated 904 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:54,320 your ego into a million infinite pieces where you're nothing, 905 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,880 You're still you observing that going like I did it 906 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,800 finally nothing, and it's like it's self refuting because you're 907 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,800 still you viewing this illusion of yourself like dissolving into 908 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,000 nothing and you don't exist and you're all connected to 909 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,239 everything and you're just and you're still just you, Like 910 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,920 you can't not be you declaring that. It's still you 911 00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:21,599 declaring exactly. So it's the same thing with that. Yeah, 912 00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:23,840 well another way, same thing with free will, another way 913 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,000 to like, who's who's saying they don't believe in free will? 914 00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:27,199 Speaker 1: Yeah? 915 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,280 Speaker 3: Right, I mean there is no free will, Yes, there 916 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,079 is no. You can't tell me that. It's like gets 917 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,360 in this battle of free will about it? 918 00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. You can always point out that 919 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,559 that if the manifestation of the world that we inhabit 920 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,400 is fundamentally illusory or it's some kind of syllipsism, because 921 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,559 I get that question a lot a lot of times, 922 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,719 like if people are new to philosophy, they'll say, well, 923 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,400 how do you know that we don't exist in like 924 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,679 a simulation or a dream, or how do you respond 925 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,280 to descartes? You know, evil demon? How do you know 926 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,320 that an evil demon is not putting every you sense 927 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,039 experience into your head and you're just the dream. You're 928 00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:07,719 in the dream of a god man. Well, because we 929 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,480 all can agree, hopefully that we do use logic, we 930 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,599 do use reason, we do use truth and falsehood, we 931 00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:19,719 do use categories like good, evil, non existence, existence. Right, 932 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,639 these are things that we utilize to talk about the world, 933 00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:24,239 to reason about the world, to live in the world, 934 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,840 to interact with one another, to communicate. And if all 935 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:34,400 of those things are not real, if they are phantasms, 936 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,400 if they are merely simulations, if they are there's different 937 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,079 versions of this mistake or this philosophical error, then what 938 00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:44,440 happens is that I also have to confront the fact 939 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,599 that if I come to that truth, that's also part 940 00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:52,840 of the illusion. So my learning of that truth is 941 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,400 also illusorians it's stupid. So at a very fundamental level, 942 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,679 once again, this monistic position or this sort of maya 943 00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:05,119 position and is a fundamentally also relativistic, subjectivist, and self 944 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:08,480 contradictory at such a fundamental level that it can't even 945 00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:09,239 get off the ground. 946 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just falls apart just by the statement alone, 947 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:15,719 just in a full circle. 948 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, And sometimes you'll have people say, well, okay, but 949 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,119 like if I don't believe in logic and reason and consistency, 950 00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,880 then what's wrong with me just accepting that? Dude? Bro? 951 00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:27,280 What if I just say, yeah, I'm the dream of 952 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,119 a god's god man and it's all fake, dude, then 953 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,920 then you can't debate, Like you can't come to the 954 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,840 table to debate, because debate assumes that there are objective 955 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,039 standards and that it's not just you know, a figment 956 00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:43,960 of your imagination. 957 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:50,880 Speaker 3: You're also using the standard of language, whatever language you're speaking, 958 00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:54,400 to make that presupposition. So the whole thing of like 959 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,920 I could just declare this and logic, you're like, you're still. 960 00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,840 Speaker 1: Within the you can't make that. 961 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah you should if you really believe that it 962 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:11,039 should sound. And then you're like, okay, man, now. 963 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:17,119 Speaker 1: I have the nihilist argument you can defeat. 964 00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:24,679 Speaker 3: Exactly in a way, that's uh that manifests itself. When 965 00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:29,679 you see like people who can't debate and reason, they 966 00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:33,440 in protests and stuff, they go to that and it's 967 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,519 almost like in a way they do win because they're 968 00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,360 like nothing exists, so you're just going you're just screeching. 969 00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,719 So the whole the whole re means where. 970 00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,000 Speaker 1: A lot of Yeah, the typical sort of s JW 971 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:50,239 type atheist reddit person. They do immediately go into that mode. 972 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, And it's like a safe bet. You know, 973 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,920 you can't argue sound. I mean you can't. You're basic 974 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,639 denying all reason and logic, and in a way, in 975 00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:06,480 a way you win, you win the battle, but you 976 00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,920 lose the war because you can't live life like that. 977 00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:12,039 You can't ask for the how much the oranges are 978 00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:13,800 and stuff like that. 979 00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:15,760 Speaker 1: Exactly. 980 00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:20,960 Speaker 3: I've seen people debate, try to debate away logic, you know, 981 00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:24,199 they try to again, it's just your back to language. 982 00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:29,159 You're back that's logic, Like, you can't escape the order 983 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,599 that you're experiencing and using as an interface with reality. 984 00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:35,559 You can't escape that. 985 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:42,519 Speaker 1: Logic is false. Logic is false. That's false is within 986 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:46,119 the falses within the domain of logic true and false propositions. 987 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,599 Logic is not logical is essentially what you're saying. 988 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like super new on philosophy and logic. Like 989 00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:57,119 I told you last time we talked, like just opening 990 00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,239 a logic book, you think it's going to be it's simple, 991 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:07,039 but it's not. It's difficult. It's simple, but it's difficult, 992 00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:11,800 and so it's trying to I think it's really bizarre 993 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,559 to me. Two things are very bizarre to me that 994 00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:20,280 we don't learn Latin and we don't learn logic, like 995 00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:24,599 very young Latin. I'm seeing just from very you know, 996 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,960 surface level learning YouTube, just looking up words. If you 997 00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:33,639 learn the moment you start learning Latin, you're learning history, 998 00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:37,039 Like it teaches you the history of the word, how 999 00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,239 it's connected to the other things, how it applies today. 1000 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,320 Just very simple stuff like candidate means white robe, like 1001 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:50,039 very white robe. Like they use a candidate because they 1002 00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,320 would bleach it and they would go out in public, 1003 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,960 and the poor people and the people in the village 1004 00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:58,320 or whatever would be like, oh, glistening white robe. We 1005 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,880 trust this person. And most people don't know the word candidate. 1006 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:07,800 And it's like all of these things tie together with 1007 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,760 reasoning too, So like the cleaner you are with your language, 1008 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,800 and the more you know about history through words and 1009 01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:19,840 the word, as I'm seeing every day, is that you 1010 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,000 can piece together the world and the understanding of nature 1011 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:27,800 and the reality you're looking at and the order of it. 1012 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,320 And I feel like there's a there, there's a distinct 1013 01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:39,239 operation trying to separate people from that access and the 1014 01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:42,320 fact that we no longer teach Latin. People say it's 1015 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,079 a dead language, and it's not. It's there are people 1016 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:51,360 who keep that language alive and they're very powerful. And 1017 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,400 I was just looking at that and going, wow, there's 1018 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:59,639 a real disconnect. It's almost like when what was it? 1019 01:00:59,719 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Was it? 1020 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,599 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I might Newton. It was either Newton 1021 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,559 or someone else. They were breaking through in science, but 1022 01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:14,000 they still had their faith and the science entity took 1023 01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:18,840 over the relationship that the people had to nature. So 1024 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,880 like the lab Coats, the earliest lab Coats, they just said, 1025 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,519 we're the ones you're you know, like you got to 1026 01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:29,000 trust the mathematicians and the people who can speak this language, 1027 01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:34,320 and they sort of captured the language and they acted 1028 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,639 as a conduit between what they're seeing, which is like 1029 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,239 God's creation, the nature of language, understanding reality in what 1030 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,599 you're observing and how it functions, and how to deliver 1031 01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:49,880 that to people through language. And now we see it's 1032 01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:54,679 been clearly hijacked. Like people just believe the lab Coats 1033 01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:58,159 and they create all this language, almost like a lawyer 1034 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:02,519 creates language to make the client not understand the thing. 1035 01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:05,239 So that you need the lawyer to understand, you know, 1036 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,880 like tell me what all of this means. And really 1037 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,199 it's just convoluting language so that people don't understand things. 1038 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:18,360 I just see that happening, and I see that the 1039 01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:25,280 disconnect between source language languages like Latin, because we're speaking 1040 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,840 English and we're not learning the history of it all. 1041 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,800 And so if you don't learn the history of it all, 1042 01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:35,320 it's easier for a culture to invert language and change 1043 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,239 definitions because no one's calling it out and being like, no, 1044 01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:41,519 the history I'm not just saying the dictionary word. I'm 1045 01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:44,480 talking about the history of this word that's this many 1046 01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:48,840 years old. Is a really powerful way to protect your 1047 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,880 culture and your values and everything because it all exists 1048 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,239 in word, in language. So if you hijack language, you 1049 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,639 can turn a culture upside and it's happened. It's happening. 1050 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're right about that. I think the the 1051 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,599 discovery of linguistic philosophy, you could date that back to 1052 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:12,719 Jumpast Jem Baptista Vico, and then after Vico you get 1053 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,440 the Marxist tradition actually latching onto linguistic philosophy. And it's 1054 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,400 important marx actually studied philology like hours and hours and 1055 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,679 hours all day long, and because he understood that you 1056 01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:26,519 could in many ways control society through terms. Nietzsche also 1057 01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:29,760 understood this. Nietzsche talked about how morals, you know, terms 1058 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:35,840 like vulgar uh that comes from the lower classes. So 1059 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,599 so linguistic philosophy is very important. But sometimes people get 1060 01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:41,320 I think they go overboard and they think that just 1061 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,639 because it can be weaponized, that it's all. That's kind 1062 01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:46,840 of the Nietzcheen route, like because it can be weaponized, 1063 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,800 or the Marxist route, then it's always a tool of 1064 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,960 some elite or it's it's you know, But that's not true. 1065 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,400 There's a lot of metaphysics that goes into language. It's 1066 01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,480 very fascinating, very important. I do think that you know, 1067 01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:05,320 language reason logic do speak to and testify to what 1068 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,440 we read in John one about the logos. So even 1069 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,400 though I do critique people who overly emphasize logos as 1070 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,679 if it was an abstract principle, it's certainly true that 1071 01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:19,159 abstract principles and logic do point us to the capital 1072 01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,159 L logos definitely, But the capital L logos is God. 1073 01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:26,119 It's it's a divine person. And I would say too 1074 01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:29,079 that you're absolutely right when you talk about Latin, especially 1075 01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,599 for the West. But more so, I think in terms 1076 01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,199 of biblical theology, or in terms of the history of 1077 01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:38,519 the first Seven Councils of like the Orthodox Church, they 1078 01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:42,519 were primarily Greek. They were there, so the terminology the 1079 01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:45,360 New Testaments in Greek, right, we use this subtuigent, which 1080 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,000 is in Greek, the Greek translation of the Old Testament. 1081 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,880 Even though I'm not like fluent scholar in Greek or anything, 1082 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,480 you do eventually learn that that there's nuance and there's 1083 01:04:55,480 --> 01:05:01,480 importance to those languages. So in our view, along with 1084 01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:02,960 kind of the critique that we were doing a few 1085 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,480 minutes ago about monism and dualism and chaos and whatnot, 1086 01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:11,960 there's also, we would say, a revealed anthropology. All right, 1087 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,039 So there's a way to understand the makeup and psychology 1088 01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:19,000 and anthropology of man that we think comes from scripture 1089 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,800 and from our tradition. And so that's how we see 1090 01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:27,840 salvation as healing. It's not just like psychotherapy. I'm not 1091 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,719 saying that, but it's a version of like supernatural psychotherapy 1092 01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:34,400 where the human person is healed and you could see 1093 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,199 the church kind of like in our view, a spiritual hospital, 1094 01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:41,000 if you will, where the purpose of all this is 1095 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:45,440 the healing of the whole man, body, soul and noose, 1096 01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:48,440 which is a spirit in the Greek. When I encountered 1097 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,719 the idea of news, this is very fascinating because it's 1098 01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:53,360 something that was essentially kind of dropped off in the 1099 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,960 history of Western thought in Western Christianity, but maintained in 1100 01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,400 Eastern and Orthodox Christianity. So this is why for us, 1101 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,719 man is a triad. Man is a tripartite being. He 1102 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,519 has a body of soul and a noose and he's 1103 01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:10,360 so he's not just body and soul slash intellect. And 1104 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,159 so what happens in the West is you get this 1105 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:19,079 very interesting development where Western man sees the soul more 1106 01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:23,599 or less as just one faculty the intellect, and so 1107 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,920 soul slash intellect smushed with body is what man is. Man. 1108 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:35,159 It's this diad, this dual partit or whatever composition. And 1109 01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:38,159 that's why you get such a stress on intellect. But 1110 01:06:38,199 --> 01:06:42,599 what's been removed is the news, which is not like 1111 01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:46,039 Plato's news, that's something else. It's actually the heart of hearts. 1112 01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:49,599 It's man's inner most heart, his heart of hearts, you 1113 01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:53,760 could say, and that's how man connects with and knows God. 1114 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,840 And so in our view in the Fall, it's that 1115 01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,400 inner heart of hearts that was darkened. And that's why 1116 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:04,800 Paul in Rome one can say that the universality of idolatry, 1117 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,760 the universality of worshiping sticks and rocks and stones and 1118 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:12,320 attributing to created things divinity, is a darkening of man's 1119 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,480 heart of hearts. He says, it was manifest to them 1120 01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:18,239 within them, and this is very different than the way 1121 01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:22,760 that the West eventually conceives of man's moral law and 1122 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:27,280 duty towards God, for example, a quitas. He views Roman's 1123 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,960 one as if God made it evident through syllogisms and 1124 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,000 through Aristotelian logic and reasoning that you could reason to 1125 01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,880 there being a first cause that's not what Paul's talking about. 1126 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,679 Paul even says in Acts seventeen, if you've not read 1127 01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:41,880 Acts seventeen, it's very relevant. I would say, go and 1128 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,960 read Acts seventeen, because that's where Paul actually debates with 1129 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:47,920 a bunch of Greek philosophers. And the way Paul does 1130 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,800 apologetics is to say, not a bunch of Arisitilian syllogisms. 1131 01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:54,239 I'm not saying you can't make those kinds of arguments, 1132 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,239 utilize sylogisms, but that doesn't that's not how he approaches them. 1133 01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,000 He approaches him by saying that your idolatry is morally wrong, 1134 01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:03,559 and you know it in your heart of hearts, and 1135 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:09,239 the word the Logos is very close to you. He's 1136 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,280 near you, even in your hearts. So even the most 1137 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:18,359 furthest reaches still the Logos in their penetrates, even the 1138 01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:22,359 most degenerate pagan man, because you can't escape Christ, you 1139 01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:26,359 can't escape that logos. That's the proper way to utilize 1140 01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:29,319 logos and apologetics. And that's what Paul does in Act seventeen. 1141 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,279 He doesn't do natural theology. He in fact tells them 1142 01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:36,359 that you are accountable to the Logos, the person Christ, 1143 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,359 the second person of the Godhead. That's that's revealed theology. 1144 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:46,039 That's natural revelation. That's not natural theology anyway. I'm sorry 1145 01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:49,000 for going down that rabbit hole, but as I did 1146 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:54,359 it because it's a very important distinction between Orthodoxy and 1147 01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,359 the totality of the West. None of that is in 1148 01:08:57,399 --> 01:08:59,640 the West at all. None of what I said is 1149 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,039 in Western theology, and I think that this is something 1150 01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:06,199 that speaks to you know, the power of Orthodoxy in 1151 01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:07,600 maintaining that tradition. 1152 01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,039 Speaker 3: Well, the way you describe it, it almost sounds like 1153 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:17,199 that third aspect, the news is the thing that we 1154 01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:21,439 do recognize when we know something's right or wrong that 1155 01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:26,600 might be independent of intellect or the soul, where we're 1156 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:31,119 drawn toward toward good, the good in us and others, 1157 01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:35,479 and we know that exists, we cannot deny it. I mean, 1158 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,920 I have tons of atheist friends. They know good exists, 1159 01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:43,439 they know the good in them, they want the good 1160 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,319 in others, and you just can't have good. I mean, 1161 01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,279 if you're going to live your life pretending it's just 1162 01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:55,239 an illusion, then you can't. I mean, that's no good. 1163 01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the part of the reason that a lot 1164 01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:00,279 of people make a mistake at this junk, sure, and 1165 01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:05,199 you're right there, is because they will look at the 1166 01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:08,920 intellectual side of things, and they'll look at the physical 1167 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,920 side of things, right, because man is body and man 1168 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,800 is soul, and they'll say, well, if those are the 1169 01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,680 two kinds of categories, then then really all we can 1170 01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:20,359 do about the world is reason about things of the 1171 01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:24,920 spirit in terms of like intellect and mind or things 1172 01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,720 of the body. So those are only two kinds of 1173 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,119 things that you can do. And so you either know 1174 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,359 a lot about intellectual things or you know a lot 1175 01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:33,039 about physical things in science, and we would say that's 1176 01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:37,359 kind of a division that shouldn't be there, because just 1177 01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:40,159 as man is a holistic being, so also we should 1178 01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:43,439 view reality in a holistic way. So reality isn't just 1179 01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,920 physical anymore than man is just physical. But man is 1180 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,159 also not just intellect. We aren't gnostics. Man has a body. 1181 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,880 So the body does matter, and the body is part 1182 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,439 of this is why, for example, in Orthodox Christianity, the 1183 01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,319 body participates in liturgy. Right, it's not just a thing 1184 01:10:57,319 --> 01:10:59,880 where you go and listen to a past or talk 1185 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,159 to you for an hour about something. You're actually standing 1186 01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:05,560 and you're bowing and you're you know, doing the cross 1187 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,439 and so forth. We have icons, we have all these 1188 01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,079 things that are that are touchy since sensational, because the 1189 01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:15,680 body matters. But the thing with noos is that noos 1190 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:20,000 is essentially what happens when we begin to pray and 1191 01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:22,279 when we seek God in our heart of hearts. And 1192 01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:24,960 what this does is it doesn't destroy the faculties of 1193 01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:29,359 body or soul slash intellect. It reorients them into the 1194 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:34,479 proper harmony. So rather than me saying I'm going to 1195 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:39,800 know God primarily through rationality and intellect or through sensational 1196 01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,560 sense experience, I know God in my innermost heart of 1197 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:49,319 hearts primarily, and then the other faculties in me come 1198 01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,159 into harmony. They work in unison. Right, They're no longer 1199 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,159 divided and split. I'm no longer in a way you 1200 01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:58,800 could say, I don't mean this like in a strict 1201 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,880 MK ultra sense, but I'm no longer dissociated between my 1202 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,479 different different aspects of my being. And I think that 1203 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,760 when you understand it that way, you can actually almost 1204 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,960 say that the whole modern world is essentially structured to 1205 01:12:12,319 --> 01:12:15,319 cause man to be dissociated. And I mean that in 1206 01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,960 a spiritual sense, like a like a fragmented kind of 1207 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,359 mind control type of thing. And and really that's what 1208 01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:22,720 the whole modern world does is actually put us in 1209 01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,239 a kind of mind control that isn't just CIA operatives. 1210 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:31,119 It's spiritual. It's ultimately man has a spiritual problem. 1211 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,239 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Well that's uh, that's kind of why I 1212 01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:36,920 mean back to the way beginning of the conversation where 1213 01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,159 you know, the the left and right. Uh, you know, 1214 01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:43,800 the right is attacking me and they don't realize that 1215 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:50,319 my view is not this political dialectic thing. It's I 1216 01:12:50,359 --> 01:12:52,800 can I can toy with that and make fun of 1217 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,720 it and stuff and take a stance either in one direction, 1218 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,399 but it's it's really how I see everything now is 1219 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:05,119 definitely a personal spiritual battle of Man and UH. And 1220 01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:09,920 it's so beyond uh politics or you know, all the 1221 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,520 even the stuff we're talking about, like you know, the 1222 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:17,119 the planopolises and all this stuff, it still gets reduced 1223 01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:23,560 to the spirit of Man Uh and the rejection of 1224 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:28,119 of of good and God and trying to replace him 1225 01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:32,319 and all of the stuff that's occurring. It's all just 1226 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,399 all of the stuff. All the things we talk about 1227 01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:42,000 and that you see are just indicators symptoms of what 1228 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:47,439 what you just said. And when people maybe revisit that, 1229 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,319 I mean what that third aspect the news is there 1230 01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:56,199 a historical period that was purposefully removing that or was 1231 01:13:56,239 --> 01:14:01,159 it forgotten through some like mishap cold virtual transmission. 1232 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,159 Speaker 1: What happens in Western theology is that you get at 1233 01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:11,600 development towards the dominance of Augustine. And I've read Augustine extensively. 1234 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,279 In fact, he was one of the reasons that initially 1235 01:14:13,359 --> 01:14:15,960 I was into Catholicism was that I read City of. 1236 01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,960 Speaker 2: God when I was twenty one, twenty twenty one. 1237 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,600 Speaker 1: Then I read Confessions, I read all the Antidonatus works, 1238 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,600 I read all the anti Pallagian works, and then I 1239 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,039 read a bunch of the other doctrinal works, retractions, et cetera. 1240 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,840 And I realized that, especially on the Trinity, what happens 1241 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:38,800 is that you get a difference in not just anthropology, 1242 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,720 but also the doctrine of God, the doctrine of who 1243 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,640 God is, what is possible and not possible for God. 1244 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,800 So basically you get kind of these what could more 1245 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,000 or less be said to be Neoplatonic presubpositions that are 1246 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,399 still carried over because Augustine was for many years and Neoplatonists, 1247 01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:59,640 so he carried some of those positions over into his Christianity, 1248 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,560 and and in many of the early Church battles, they're 1249 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:09,359 actually battling with Greek philosophic presuppositions, and particularly Neoplatonism. For many, 1250 01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:12,199 many years later on Neoplatonism kind of dies out, and 1251 01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:15,239 then the Church has to deal with other Hellenic type 1252 01:15:15,279 --> 01:15:18,880 of errors, but more or less the errors are pretty 1253 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,279 consistently dialectical, and one of those errors is to kind 1254 01:15:22,279 --> 01:15:26,520 of smush man's hypostasis or his person into his nature. 1255 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,920 And that's kind of what happens with Augustine, is that 1256 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,319 you don't get a full understanding of the importance of 1257 01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:36,359 the news and the importance of distinctions that don't imply 1258 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,800 composition or division, especially in God anyway, that's really abstract. 1259 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:49,840 But this progresses by the time of up to Anselm. 1260 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,079 You get a assumptions about what happens in the crucifixion 1261 01:15:55,239 --> 01:16:00,359 that can't really be reconciled with Orthodox theology, namely that 1262 01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:04,560 God is paying God an infinite debt satisfaction of debt. 1263 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,760 This actually goes into later penal substitution theory of the reformers. 1264 01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:12,479 Orthodox doesn't have any of that. It doesn't make any 1265 01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,479 sense to say that God's paying God for a debt. 1266 01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:19,840 That's all sort of absurd. That's actually some of the 1267 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:26,800 atheists critiques about Jesus paying off God for an infinite 1268 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,159 debt that God owed God. I mean, that's they're kind 1269 01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:34,680 of right, because they're actually hitting on theological problems in Anselm. 1270 01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:37,680 So I could actually give some credit to the atheists 1271 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,840 on that point, because because we don't believe that, we 1272 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:44,239 don't believe that God's paying God an infinite debt. That's absurd. 1273 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,399 But anyway, so a lot of these same issues that 1274 01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:52,000 you're talking about there, they're connected and they do kind 1275 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,960 of come to fruition in the late Middle Ages, the 1276 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,000 time of a Quietness, the time of Barlem, the time 1277 01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:02,039 of Saint Gregory Palamas, and so there's a bunch of 1278 01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:09,079 debates in the in the thirteenth fourteenth century between the Palamites, 1279 01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:13,279 who are the Orthodox, and the Latins over these issues. 1280 01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:16,119 There's an attempted attempt at reunion at the Council of 1281 01:17:16,119 --> 01:17:19,239 Florence and it doesn't work. So there were debates over 1282 01:17:19,279 --> 01:17:22,039 these issues, but it never was really resolved, and hence 1283 01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:27,000 why there's still an Orthodox church in a Roman Catholic church. Yeah. 1284 01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:32,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, Wow, you have a lot of memory space 1285 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:35,359 in there. 1286 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:42,199 Speaker 1: Could be maybe I'm an augmented lesbian, a black ai. 1287 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,680 Speaker 3: That's true. That's also true. It's also possible. 1288 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,199 Speaker 1: Who's wearing a white guy suit? 1289 01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:52,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're just got a White, I see it on 1290 01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:59,079 I listened to a critique you had of William Wayne Craig, 1291 01:18:00,079 --> 01:18:03,399 and you know, because I like, I like watching his 1292 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,720 debates and I like watching I just love watching theists 1293 01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,520 and atheists debate stuff and they give each other the 1294 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,439 full the full effort. 1295 01:18:14,079 --> 01:18:17,000 Speaker 3: But you pointed at something that was really interesting that 1296 01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:21,720 I took with me, which was, while he has really 1297 01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:28,279 cool logical setups and he's just well rounded and being 1298 01:18:28,319 --> 01:18:32,960 able to set up the framework to annihilate something that 1299 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,439 doesn't have logic. Uh, you pointed to the fact that 1300 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:44,000 he's his premise I guess still leaves people interacting with 1301 01:18:44,039 --> 01:18:49,680 the scientific material approach I think is how you put it. 1302 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:50,159 Speaker 1: It was like. 1303 01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:57,680 Speaker 3: What he was presenting, the arguments he was presenting, while 1304 01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:02,199 they sounded like well all crafted, they were still leaving 1305 01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:07,640 it in the realm of science and materialism, like we 1306 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,640 can like every time he goes to like any kind 1307 01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:16,800 of any kind of reference to something we know of 1308 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:22,319 science or something we know of the material, it just 1309 01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:26,159 leaves it open to be diminished later if that changes. 1310 01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,720 In other words, does that make sense, Like we know 1311 01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,079 this about we know this is about biology, we know 1312 01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:37,039 this about X Y, z it's observable if that changes. 1313 01:19:37,079 --> 01:19:40,640 If that's your argument for faith, then if that changes, 1314 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:45,239 then it it can ruin your It could hurt your 1315 01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:49,960 argument if you're basing faith off of science, off of science, 1316 01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:54,439 that makes sense. I'll send you the thing. It may 1317 01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,199 have been old. It was just an. 1318 01:19:56,039 --> 01:19:58,600 Speaker 1: Audio found that I put it in the chat. Actually 1319 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,760 for anybody that was interesting, I did dig up my 1320 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,840 old because actually I reposted that maybe a few weeks ago. 1321 01:20:05,039 --> 01:20:09,279 Speaker 3: But yeah, I may have also totally misrepresentative. 1322 01:20:09,319 --> 01:20:13,199 Speaker 1: I just know what you're getting at. So basically, there's 1323 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,880 a distinction in the history of theology between different schools 1324 01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,760 of apologetics, and so William Lane Craig is most known 1325 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,760 for being an apologist, and certainly he has a lot 1326 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:28,159 of good stuff in certain areas, like, for example, I 1327 01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:32,560 recommend his book on creation. Actually, he has a really 1328 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,640 good book that's been in my recommended reading list for 1329 01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:39,199 several years on x nilo. Creation actually shows the unique 1330 01:20:39,239 --> 01:20:42,960 aspects to which the Genesis account presents creation as an 1331 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,680 ex nilo, which distinguishes our worldview from many of the 1332 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:51,039 other cosmogonies and pagan origins. So, for example, if you 1333 01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:53,640 were talking to somebody who was like of the Zeitgeist crowd, 1334 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:58,399 and they were like, well, Christianity is just like Egyptian mythology. No, actually, 1335 01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:02,000 there's like ten specific areas of genesis that are completely 1336 01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:06,920 unique and different than any of the ancient pagan cosmologies. 1337 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,439 But so that book's really good. Other areas, I feel 1338 01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,720 like William Lane Craig is really weak. And that's kind 1339 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,439 of what I was trying to hit at in that 1340 01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:18,000 discussion was that his apologetics is a weird attempt to 1341 01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:24,600 meld both classical arguments classical foundationalism as a epistemology, and 1342 01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:28,399 he at times tries to use transcendental arguments. So because 1343 01:21:28,399 --> 01:21:32,640 I'm a big proponent of transcedent arguments and presubsitionalism to 1344 01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:37,399 be consistent, I can't also say that classical foundationalists epistemology 1345 01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,359 and those arguments are always the best or solid or 1346 01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,279 valid at all times. They're not. And so what I 1347 01:21:43,279 --> 01:21:45,399 was kind of getting in that talk was showing how 1348 01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,880 when he critiqued this atheist dude, there was an atheist 1349 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:52,199 agnostic ted talk or something, and so William Lane Craig 1350 01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:56,079 was critiquing that, and I was critiquing the critique. So 1351 01:21:56,119 --> 01:21:58,239 I was doing like a critique of two different dudes, 1352 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:03,680 engaging and showing how both are wrong, and the transcendental 1353 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,239 argument is just superior. It's much stronger. And there's a 1354 01:22:07,239 --> 01:22:11,279 weird there's a funny debate that we M. F. Buckley 1355 01:22:11,279 --> 01:22:15,600 of all people is hosting between some atheist and Weiline Craig, 1356 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,000 and we Aline Craig gives like five transcendental categories and 1357 01:22:19,079 --> 01:22:21,279 a transcendental argument against the atheist. It's like a two 1358 01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:24,720 or three minute clip. It's like a million views, and so, yeah, 1359 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,000 that's good argument. He's using transcendent arguments. And then he's 1360 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,720 turned around he says, oh, but the colomn cosmological argument 1361 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,000 is a good argument. No, it's not. And the reason 1362 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,920 it's not is that principally, I mean, there's a lot 1363 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,760 of different ways that I would go about critiquing that approach, 1364 01:22:37,399 --> 01:22:43,359 but it's not enough to just say that I can 1365 01:22:43,399 --> 01:22:48,199 find an argument that points to some common first cause 1366 01:22:49,119 --> 01:22:56,159 or common accepted generic principle like causality or teleology or whatever, 1367 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,479 and then thereby join with all of these other and 1368 01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:06,119 sects and weirdos and loons who could make the same argument, 1369 01:23:06,279 --> 01:23:08,880 And I could join hands with all them against an atheist. 1370 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:14,439 That doesn't work. And it doesn't work because when I'm 1371 01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:22,159 granting the disunity and the lack of clarity in my view, 1372 01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:25,880 by joining with a Satanist, one could join with a 1373 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,520 Satanist and believe in a first cause. That's a dumb, 1374 01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,680 stupid argument. But you quite literally could, I mean theoretically 1375 01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,399 an atheist Excuse me, a Satanist could say I believe 1376 01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,159 there's a first cause. Oh, by the way, it's satan 1377 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,039 and so am I going to, oh, well, we have 1378 01:23:43,159 --> 01:23:47,479 the same apologetic against the materialist. No, that's stupid, that's dumb. 1379 01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,760 But that's literally where that argument goes. And they all 1380 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,439 know this, by the way, which is really weird. It's 1381 01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:57,039 like they know of this criticism of these theistic arguments. 1382 01:23:57,359 --> 01:23:59,439 I just think they're really bad. They're really weak, they're 1383 01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:04,079 really dumb. And smart atheists will call this out. Okay, 1384 01:24:04,199 --> 01:24:06,319 not every atheist is a total o iq P. Here's 1385 01:24:06,359 --> 01:24:08,239 a smart ones will call it out, and they'll say, 1386 01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,720 you've already surrendered the strength of your argument in your position. 1387 01:24:12,319 --> 01:24:17,399 If you're joining with all these cults and these idiots 1388 01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:20,239 to try to prove what a first cause, well, if 1389 01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:23,560 you're only only proving that what is that. That doesn't 1390 01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,880 mean I could I could remain an atheist and admit 1391 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:31,319 some generic first cause. Okay, the first the first cause 1392 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,159 was the Great Big Bang, right right? 1393 01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:37,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, just say, well, the same the same problem exists 1394 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,279 when uh, and I've dug myself this whole because I 1395 01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:49,239 wasn't educated enough, but I was very anxious and about morality, 1396 01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,439 which is, uh, you know, without without God, there's no 1397 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:57,520 objective morality. And so the next phase of that argument, 1398 01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,720 for someone who's prepared on the other side, I can say, well, 1399 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,000 what God? Then now you're just comparing God's I can 1400 01:25:03,079 --> 01:25:06,279 just say whatever God. So you have to be prepared 1401 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,720 in understanding the nature of the Christian God in the 1402 01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:16,159 Bible and why that exemplifies good. Right, And I'm actually 1403 01:25:16,359 --> 01:25:22,239 still not knowledgeable enough to defend it, but I but 1404 01:25:23,079 --> 01:25:28,199 my sense is that good must be God like. God 1405 01:25:28,399 --> 01:25:31,039 must be good like that. You can't say there's good 1406 01:25:31,079 --> 01:25:33,640 and evil, good and bad and all this stuff without 1407 01:25:34,199 --> 01:25:38,520 a standard. You need a standard for love, and you 1408 01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:43,000 need a standard for good, and you need a standard 1409 01:25:43,119 --> 01:25:51,039 for living life good life. And the only place that 1410 01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:57,960 pointed me was that that separates from other objective claims 1411 01:25:58,119 --> 01:26:03,159 of morality and life and how God how a God, 1412 01:26:03,279 --> 01:26:06,560 I guess is a lot of other cases exists as 1413 01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:11,600 the source is that God being made in the image 1414 01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,279 of God is what allows us to understand how to 1415 01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:18,039 love you, how to love other people because we can 1416 01:26:18,199 --> 01:26:22,880 see we are in the image. So which is distinct 1417 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,000 from a you know, a four arm six arm elephant, 1418 01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:31,600 Like you can't you can't love the person that somehow 1419 01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,880 is embodying the belief of the elephant, like these other 1420 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,640 mythical creatures that you can't you don't know love because 1421 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,239 you're not looking at the image of God. Does that 1422 01:26:42,319 --> 01:26:45,119 make sense? It could be raw. I just like was 1423 01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:49,880 exploring this, you can't you can't love that elephant or 1424 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,159 the I mean, Buddha's kind of he's a dude, he's 1425 01:26:53,239 --> 01:26:58,239 kind of like big. But it's that that point alone 1426 01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,319 is what draws me in actually, which is like, how 1427 01:27:02,399 --> 01:27:06,880 do you know what the standard of love is and 1428 01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,279 how to express it to another if they're not made 1429 01:27:10,319 --> 01:27:13,960 in the image, like you can't know? You know, otherwise 1430 01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,039 you're getting into the loving the tree and praying to 1431 01:27:17,159 --> 01:27:22,640 the tree, and you start morphing the embodiment and the person, 1432 01:27:23,319 --> 01:27:25,520 and so I mean, that's all. That's where I am 1433 01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,079 actually like in all of this, like it, and it's 1434 01:27:29,079 --> 01:27:32,239 all very still new, like rediscovery of all of this, 1435 01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:35,560 and I'm like, I know that there's good, I know 1436 01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:40,279 that there's evil. I know that I believe in objective morality, 1437 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:46,239 that it exists. Therefore God exists. So my best, like 1438 01:27:46,359 --> 01:27:49,319 I told someone once then when they said, well, then 1439 01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:51,319 how do you know which one? And I go, you 1440 01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,199 got to read them all. I guess you just got 1441 01:27:53,319 --> 01:27:56,039 to see which one logically makes the most sense for 1442 01:27:56,199 --> 01:27:59,800 what you know in your heart is good and represents that. 1443 01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:02,800 I mean, that's all I could do, because I just 1444 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:03,880 don't have enough in for reaction. 1445 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:05,920 Speaker 1: Well, I would say the next probably the next question 1446 01:28:06,079 --> 01:28:09,479 that would come about would be in a person's sort 1447 01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,920 of process, would be after we've kind of realized the 1448 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,640 problems of monism and dualism in maya and chaotic nihilistic 1449 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,159 world views, is that we might think, okay, well, there's 1450 01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:20,680 got to be, you know, some kind of God. The 1451 01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,159 next question typically is something like, and you're right to 1452 01:28:24,199 --> 01:28:27,079 talk about goodness and love the good or whatever. Those 1453 01:28:27,119 --> 01:28:30,800 are fine to talk about, but typically the question is okay, 1454 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,159 but is this a personal God or is this an 1455 01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:33,920 impersonal God? 1456 01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:34,840 Speaker 3: Uh? 1457 01:28:35,079 --> 01:28:41,760 Speaker 1: And this would suggest also a distinction with a lot 1458 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,199 of other world religions, because a lot of world religions 1459 01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:47,279 might say, okay, but there is some kind of beginning 1460 01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,039 or some kind of first cause there is some kind 1461 01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:52,600 of absolute That's a term that's oftentimes used maybe in 1462 01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:57,279 perennial philosophy or whatever. But the key question that that distinguishes, 1463 01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,159 like the Biblical view, is that God is not just 1464 01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:03,000 a force. God is not abstract, We're not new agers. 1465 01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:07,439 God isn't just some you know, Star Wars type force. 1466 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,199 God is personal, and so there is as you mentioned, 1467 01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:14,880 this image of God and man. This is we can 1468 01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,079 form an analogy between the fact that when human persons 1469 01:29:19,119 --> 01:29:23,000 have communion, we interact and we understand what it's like 1470 01:29:23,119 --> 01:29:26,680 to communit for one another through you know, knowing each other, 1471 01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,279 talking to each other, getting to know each other, et cetera, 1472 01:29:29,319 --> 01:29:34,760 et cetera. That is a model also for how we 1473 01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:38,039 relate to God, to having that personal communion. And this 1474 01:29:38,199 --> 01:29:41,479 is important because like with Greek ancient Greek paganism or 1475 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,760 Greek philosophy, you can't have a relationship with a number 1476 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,840 you can have a personal relationship with, you know, an 1477 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,880 abstract force. You can only have that kind of relationship 1478 01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,319 with a being that's personal. And that's why the next 1479 01:29:55,319 --> 01:29:59,239 step is usually to ask the question of is God 1480 01:29:59,359 --> 01:30:03,079 impersonal or personal? And then the terms like good and 1481 01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:05,880 the terms like love make a lot more sense because 1482 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,960 it makes sense to have a relationship with a deity 1483 01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:13,279 that's personal. And likewise, when we talk about reality reflecting 1484 01:30:13,399 --> 01:30:18,079 things like math and logic and formal principles, those also 1485 01:30:19,159 --> 01:30:23,560 suggest information and information science, for example, tells us that 1486 01:30:24,279 --> 01:30:28,960 information comes from a mind. Information doesn't come out of nowhere. 1487 01:30:29,079 --> 01:30:32,319 It comes from some kind of conscious mind. And so 1488 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,479 just as I have reason and logic, right and thought, 1489 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,079 and my mind produces things, so in this in an analogy, 1490 01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:46,680 as the church fathers often say, the God created the 1491 01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:50,560 world on the basis of his divine mind. It has order, 1492 01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,399 it has structure, it has these principles that undergird it, 1493 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:57,920 It has these this logos that is in creation we 1494 01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:02,239 in orthodoxologies called the logi right it permeates, that's the 1495 01:31:02,359 --> 01:31:06,720 logos in creation in his many creatures, permeating all things 1496 01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:09,720 being at root the basis and the meaning of all things. 1497 01:31:10,039 --> 01:31:13,079 That's not pantheism. We're not identifying God with creation, but 1498 01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:17,399 we're saying that God is present in creation. So that 1499 01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,359 is what I would say would be probably the next 1500 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:26,600 philosophic step that we could take towards understanding the type 1501 01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:30,000 of deity that we're talking about here. And then when 1502 01:31:30,039 --> 01:31:31,880 you kind of flush this out the deeper that you 1503 01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,039 go into it, you realize that, okay, well, then there's 1504 01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:39,560 other attributes that kind of come along with the theology 1505 01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,560 that also makes sense. For example, we wouldn't hold these 1506 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:48,119 things and then say, but that God is not omnipresent 1507 01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:50,520 like he's we say, we say he's all good and 1508 01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,720 he's personal, and he's all loving, but he's not over 1509 01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,479 there in that place, right. That wouldn't make any sense, right, 1510 01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,800 It wouldn't make any sense to say that he's you know, uh, well, 1511 01:32:02,079 --> 01:32:04,880 that's all true, but he came into being yesterday, like 1512 01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,880 he just popped into existence yesterday. No, he's eternal, right, 1513 01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,960 And because he's all good and he's all loving, he's 1514 01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,199 also eternal. So these these things start to flesh out, 1515 01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:16,560 they start to stack up, and we start to get 1516 01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,840 a better understanding. And this is what theology does theology 1517 01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,520 sort of reasons. It's not just reasoning like abstractly, but 1518 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:28,319 it's also it's also getting this information, this these truths 1519 01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,159 from what we call revealed theology. And that's where scripture 1520 01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:31,800 comes into play. 1521 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:38,319 Speaker 3: Interesting. I had a I think this conversation, this this 1522 01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:42,960 point has been made before, perhaps, but someone asked me, 1523 01:32:43,119 --> 01:32:47,439 like why you know, like why why believe in the God? 1524 01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:51,199 Like to understand we don't need God to understand all 1525 01:32:51,239 --> 01:32:54,600 of these things. And I said, well, from a strictly 1526 01:32:55,359 --> 01:33:02,760 logistical standpoint of like studying something that, in Dawkins words, 1527 01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:07,720 has only the illusion of design, coming from a place 1528 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,760 that there is a designer, just from a standpoint can 1529 01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:18,359 probably catalyze understanding of what we're seeing, Like if we 1530 01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,680 just just like looking at anything, like you, if you 1531 01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:26,479 look at something that's made and you question, how is 1532 01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,359 that design? Like you, if you want to reverse engineer 1533 01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:33,119 something and understand it just coming from the perspective that 1534 01:33:33,239 --> 01:33:36,439 it's been designed, allows you to interact with it the 1535 01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:40,520 same way what we just said is like understanding how 1536 01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,880 to interact with a person knowing that they're in the 1537 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:49,119 image of someone someone else, like and so like that 1538 01:33:49,319 --> 01:33:53,119 whole way of looking at it would be so advantageous 1539 01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:58,560 and has been historically force for science historically, but they've 1540 01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:03,119 removed that aspect of like the curiosity of looking at 1541 01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:09,159 something from a design standpoint to understand it is totally logical. 1542 01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:12,359 It makes total like sense if you're going to look 1543 01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,640 at it. You don't say that as the illusion of design. 1544 01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,399 Let me see how it wasn't designed, so that I 1545 01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,600 can then figure out how to design the thing that 1546 01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,840 I just said wasn't designed. It doesn't make any sense 1547 01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,600 to come to come from that approach. Also, the on 1548 01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:34,079 a side note of that Dawkins argument, if design is 1549 01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:38,640 an illusion, then your entire argument for randomness must also 1550 01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,159 be an illusion. You can't have one. You can't just 1551 01:34:41,239 --> 01:34:44,800 be like, No, design's an illusion, but randomness is not 1552 01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:49,720 an illusion. That's just totally real, because randomness would also 1553 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,960 just be an illusion. You can't like, you can't be 1554 01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,079 you can't be you know, you can't cherry pick one 1555 01:34:57,159 --> 01:34:58,720 and not the you know what I mean, like that 1556 01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:03,279 doesn't how would you prove randomness? How can you prove. 1557 01:35:03,279 --> 01:35:06,520 Speaker 1: Something random exactly? I mean, randomness does presuppose order to 1558 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:11,760 be able to distinguish, to contradistinguish between the randomness and 1559 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,199 the order, right, I mean pattern recognition. This is all 1560 01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:20,520 based on principles of logic, principles of demarcation, predication, all 1561 01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:24,039 those things go into doing a pattern recognition, into distinguishing 1562 01:35:24,119 --> 01:35:28,079 objects from other objects. So that's a very complex you know. 1563 01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:32,760 Obviously it utilizes a lot of different transcendental categories. And yes, 1564 01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:39,199 absolutely teleology and cosmology are transcendentally necessary categories. You can't 1565 01:35:39,319 --> 01:35:40,600 get away from using them. 1566 01:35:41,079 --> 01:35:41,239 Speaker 2: Now. 1567 01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,720 Speaker 1: The atheist is correct to point out, in my view 1568 01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:48,479 that just a bare cosmological argument is a really weak, 1569 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,880 bad argument. It doesn't prove what it seeks to prove. 1570 01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:55,279 But it's fine to do a teleological argument or a 1571 01:35:55,319 --> 01:35:59,239 cosmological argument if you reframe them as transcendental arguments, and 1572 01:35:59,319 --> 01:36:02,600 they are because they're assumed. You can't talk about the 1573 01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:07,119 external world. You can't talk about purpose in the external 1574 01:36:07,159 --> 01:36:11,039 world or causation in the external world without assuming that 1575 01:36:11,119 --> 01:36:16,159 they're real categories that exist. Otherwise your speech becomes nonsensical. Right, 1576 01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:21,199 events become incoherent, events become meaningless. If you just think 1577 01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:29,399 design is a subjective construct, then you fall back into 1578 01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,840 total relativism. So you have to presuppose that there is design. 1579 01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:37,680 It's not just in the mind. Numbers, geometrical patterns, categories, 1580 01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,239 these aren't just in the mind. They're actually in the world. 1581 01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,760 I mean, this is really low IQ stupid stuff, but 1582 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,159 this is the kind of stuff that we have to 1583 01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:47,560 deal with. And the Dawkins Hitchens types, they just sort 1584 01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,520 of rehash stuff from the seventeen hundreds, as if people 1585 01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,000 haven't responded to this, as if there's no answers to 1586 01:36:53,039 --> 01:36:55,439 whether there is. Are you cool with reading some super 1587 01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:59,239 chaps before we head on out? Yeah, we got Philip 1588 01:36:59,319 --> 01:37:02,479 of Voros. Thank you for joining. Philip, he's a new 1589 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,560 member to the channel. Remember, everybody, you can subscribe to 1590 01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:10,159 Jay's Analysis in the YouTube memberships if you want to. 1591 01:37:11,039 --> 01:37:13,319 Some of those people don't want to go to the website, 1592 01:37:13,319 --> 01:37:15,159 but you can also still go to Jay's Analysis and 1593 01:37:15,239 --> 01:37:19,880 subscribe by purchasing a membership to all of the archived content, 1594 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,880 many many many interviews, many many many many lectures on 1595 01:37:23,079 --> 01:37:26,359 all kinds of topics. I'll leave that link in the 1596 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:30,079 chat box right now so you can get your membership there. 1597 01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,279 You can also if you click on that, you can 1598 01:37:32,359 --> 01:37:34,119 go over to the shop at Jays analysis and get 1599 01:37:34,119 --> 01:37:37,640 signed copies of my book. Doorman three sixty says two dollars? 1600 01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:41,600 Would you visit me in my tiny house? Ladies love it? 1601 01:37:42,279 --> 01:37:45,239 How do ladies fit in your tiny house? I don't 1602 01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:49,000 think they do, so I don't buy that. Doorman Jimba, 1603 01:37:49,079 --> 01:37:50,760 will you visit him in his tiny house? 1604 01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:51,560 Speaker 3: No? 1605 01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,239 Speaker 1: I don't think so, he says. 1606 01:37:53,319 --> 01:37:53,359 Speaker 3: No. 1607 01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,439 Speaker 1: Josh, two dollars, he says, Jay, please make another pastor 1608 01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:01,960 Randy Bill. Glad you like Pastorandy Balls. I have had 1609 01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,000 a lot of requests to do another Randy Balls video, 1610 01:38:04,039 --> 01:38:06,039 so I guess eventually I'll have to get on that 1611 01:38:07,239 --> 01:38:09,800 Amy Polino twenty bucks. Thank you, Amy. Wow, it's a 1612 01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:14,119 fat super chat. She's always leaving dropping them twenties drop 1613 01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:16,359 who's on a twenty Franklin? 1614 01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,359 Speaker 3: Franklin is on one hundred? 1615 01:38:20,079 --> 01:38:26,760 Speaker 1: Jackson Andrew Jackson. Anyway, she's dropping them. Jefferson's want want 1616 01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:31,079 five dollars five a's. I just found out that one 1617 01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:34,239 of my eighteenth century ancestors was an orphan raised by 1618 01:38:34,279 --> 01:38:38,039 the Royal Society. Can I get abased analysis abays analysis 1619 01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:42,119 of your orphan ancestor? I'm not gonna do that. I'm 1620 01:38:42,119 --> 01:38:45,920 gonna go track down those genealogical research on the wamp 1621 01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:49,279 Want family or do you mean abays analysis of the 1622 01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,920 royal society that I can do because they, along with 1623 01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,920 the Jesuits, by the way, are the main progenitors of 1624 01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,800 the Darwinian mythos. Of course, they were the brains behind 1625 01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:02,159 the British Empire. So we've talked about the royal society many, many, 1626 01:39:02,199 --> 01:39:05,319 many times, a lot of talks on that. Evan Schultz 1627 01:39:05,359 --> 01:39:07,000 twelve Do you have anything to add on that? By 1628 01:39:07,039 --> 01:39:10,960 the way, now, okay, Evan Schultz twelve bucks, Hello nerds, 1629 01:39:11,159 --> 01:39:16,680 Hello nerd, Evan Schultz, You're welcome here, some dude Sam 1630 01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:24,800 two bucks. Feminism is fundamentally monistic. I guess perhaps you 1631 01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:28,039 could say that if you adopt the goddess side of things, 1632 01:39:28,279 --> 01:39:32,359 the tendency is to say that the Goddess represents, you know, 1633 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:36,520 like isis and all of nature isis is, like all 1634 01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,119 of space and extension in space and so forth. So 1635 01:39:40,239 --> 01:39:43,039 I could see maybe if you go down the goddess 1636 01:39:43,159 --> 01:39:46,079 route of feminism, But it seems that in terms of 1637 01:39:47,039 --> 01:39:51,319 like on the day to day practice, it's always intention 1638 01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,760 fighting with patriarchy and in the system. 1639 01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,319 Speaker 3: Well, it depends what you mean by feminism. It's not 1640 01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,520 like it's an easy It's not like it's an easy answer. 1641 01:40:02,279 --> 01:40:04,279 Speaker 1: I think you have a better JBP than I do. 1642 01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:06,079 Speaker 3: No, I listen to yours. 1643 01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:08,039 Speaker 2: Yours is better. 1644 01:40:08,319 --> 01:40:10,399 Speaker 1: I can't get mine too. Stops it sounds too I 1645 01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:13,079 don't know. It sounds actually like what it sounds like. 1646 01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:15,319 The dude us to call into Ralph's show and do 1647 01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,479 it is the only thing I can do. So yours 1648 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:18,079 is actually better. 1649 01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:22,000 Speaker 3: You have to feel darker inside a little. 1650 01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:27,520 Speaker 1: Bit, Thomas W. Five. I joined the Catholic Church, then 1651 01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:30,520 I discover your channel, and now I think I'm going Orthodox. 1652 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:34,760 Thank you for all the high Q thought thought or thought. 1653 01:40:35,319 --> 01:40:37,760 I will be your high IQ thought. Let me get 1654 01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,479 some booty pants and shorts on and I'll model those 1655 01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,720 for you, Thomas W. But I'm glad that you are 1656 01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:47,840 interested in Orthodoxy. I don't think Frank will be the 1657 01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,960 way you want to go, So stay away from old 1658 01:40:50,039 --> 01:40:53,760 Pope Frank. Ralph fling steaks ten bucks. Are there any 1659 01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:59,960 church fathers or Christian theologians that debate Buddhism or Eastern philosophy? Yeah? 1660 01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,239 I have an analysis I did of Father Serif from 1661 01:41:03,319 --> 01:41:06,439 Roses book Orthodoxy in the Religion of the Future, and 1662 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:11,840 in that book he takes on Buddhism Hinduism in many chapters. 1663 01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,039 And there's also a much larger, more philosophic book called 1664 01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:21,520 The Dow of Christ and that's Hiral Monk Damas Scene 1665 01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,039 who worked with Father surfrom Rose. He wrote a book 1666 01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,399 taking on the Far Eastern thought and kind of pointing 1667 01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:29,319 out that what a lot of the Far Eastern religions 1668 01:41:29,359 --> 01:41:31,920 are searching for in this idea of the transcendent now 1669 01:41:32,119 --> 01:41:35,800 is actually the logos. So that's that's a famous book. 1670 01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:37,880 Speaker 3: That's really funny, and it makes me think of a 1671 01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:41,960 possible cartoon where someone's trying to debate a monk and 1672 01:41:42,119 --> 01:41:45,680 they're just they're just not talking. They're just they're gonna 1673 01:41:46,039 --> 01:41:48,359 they either win or lose if they just don't talk. 1674 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:52,239 A true a true monk would just sit in silence 1675 01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:56,399 during that debate. Possible meme idea. 1676 01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,479 Speaker 1: That is a good idea. So, by the way, Father 1677 01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:06,239 Surfer Rose also covered aliens and UFOs. Here's my talk. 1678 01:42:06,279 --> 01:42:07,600 I did a talk on it. If you want to 1679 01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:10,119 check that out, I'll put that in the chat right now. 1680 01:42:10,319 --> 01:42:13,000 And there is or talks in the religion of the future. 1681 01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,520 So he talks about the New Age and the Hinduism 1682 01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:19,520 and UFOs and all this goofy stuff, and he does 1683 01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:21,359 a really good job exposing that. It's kind of a 1684 01:42:21,399 --> 01:42:24,439 classic book. It's converted a lot of people, a lot 1685 01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,840 of new agers. Private Death. Ten bucks or five bucks. 1686 01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:32,159 Do a Jordan Peanut Butters and Ben Shapiro debate, it 1687 01:42:32,199 --> 01:42:37,520 would be hilarious. Hint, hint he I don't know. 1688 01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:40,720 Speaker 3: I mean I have to, like, you can be Peterson 1689 01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:41,960 and I'll do Shapiro. 1690 01:42:42,199 --> 01:42:44,319 Speaker 1: Can you do Ben Shapiria? I don't know. Mine's not good. 1691 01:42:44,319 --> 01:42:46,119 I just had to speed it up on the program. 1692 01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:48,880 I couldn't do it. That's all you do is just 1693 01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,439 see you have to do one hundred and twenty. 1694 01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,920 Speaker 3: I really need to shave. There's so many people. 1695 01:42:54,039 --> 01:42:55,760 Speaker 1: I just want to. You do good. 1696 01:42:56,399 --> 01:42:59,439 Speaker 3: You're good at it, so thanks you to be a. 1697 01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:04,479 Speaker 1: Good debate Country Rhythm Bear thoughts on Doug Wilson. I 1698 01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:08,159 assume you mean Doug Wilson by Douglas Wilson. I don't 1699 01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:12,439 have a very high opinion of Doug Wilson. He's actually 1700 01:43:14,319 --> 01:43:16,880 totally incompetent when it comes to orthodox theology, and he's 1701 01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,000 written some really really bad articles on it. So I 1702 01:43:20,319 --> 01:43:22,119 don't have a whole lot to say on Doug Wilson. 1703 01:43:22,199 --> 01:43:25,159 But anyway, that looks like that's all the super chats. 1704 01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:27,319 We had our big audience. We had almost five hundred tonight, 1705 01:43:27,319 --> 01:43:30,239 and that's a big crowd for me tonight, and thank 1706 01:43:30,279 --> 01:43:33,319 you for bringing probably most of those. Do the Jim 1707 01:43:33,399 --> 01:43:37,479 Bobs have a term? There's bears, there's nerds. Is there 1708 01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:39,359 a the Bobs trolls? 1709 01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:40,439 Speaker 3: Savages? 1710 01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:41,920 Speaker 1: Savages? Okay? That works. 1711 01:43:42,279 --> 01:43:44,279 Speaker 3: They're kind of they're kind of all. I mean, there's 1712 01:43:44,319 --> 01:43:47,600 such a mix, it's like it just gets It's hard 1713 01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:52,119 sometimes to understand the pulse of who everyone is and 1714 01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:55,399 what they think and believe in. It's all just overlapping 1715 01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:56,239 most of the time. 1716 01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:02,079 Speaker 1: Cool beans, all right, So I've got his insta there, 1717 01:44:02,199 --> 01:44:05,680 Everybody be sure and follow him on the Insta. You'll 1718 01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,880 see all those cool cartoons he does and anything else 1719 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,439 you want to shout out. Anything coming up. 1720 01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:17,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at doing. I was looking at Patreon, 1721 01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:21,079 but I think enough people swayed me away from there 1722 01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:25,680 because I might just get canceled to subscriber Star. I'm 1723 01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:29,319 going to be launching that because I want to start 1724 01:44:29,399 --> 01:44:33,319 putting more time into animating and doing those kind of 1725 01:44:33,359 --> 01:44:37,279 funny bits that will likely be taken down from Instagram, 1726 01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:41,680 so I'd rather keep them up on a separate account 1727 01:44:42,279 --> 01:44:45,680 and also not piss off my current base, who are 1728 01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,359 like I just want memes. I don't want your all 1729 01:44:48,399 --> 01:44:52,920 that stuff. So I'm creating a place where people can 1730 01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:57,479 support me and allow me to expand on more complex 1731 01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:03,439 stuff like animation, longer bits and talking and behind the 1732 01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,119 scenes stuff and just things that I want to make 1733 01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,520 that take a little more energy and resources, but specifically 1734 01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:13,439 the animation I really want to make. I think there's 1735 01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:20,800 a need for really funny, crazy, savage savagery that's like, 1736 01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,920 you know, ideally like South Park level, but tackling more 1737 01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:27,479 more of this kind. 1738 01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:29,880 Speaker 1: Of I got the book, and by the way, I 1739 01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,279 need to send you my book, but so thank you 1740 01:45:32,399 --> 01:45:35,760 for sending me savage memes. It's based it's very funny, 1741 01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,560 and also and people can get that. If you go 1742 01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:41,039 to to his Instagram, you'll see the link to his 1743 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,960 website where you can buy the book. And also you 1744 01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:45,880 can get my books at start Hollywood one and two. 1745 01:45:47,399 --> 01:45:49,359 Remind me Jim Bob, and I will send you copies 1746 01:45:49,399 --> 01:45:50,800 of my books too since you sent me yours. 1747 01:45:51,079 --> 01:45:51,439 Speaker 3: Awesome. 1748 01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, everybody, thank you, let's talk. Well we 1749 01:45:54,119 --> 01:45:58,880 get one more super shat from Richard rawlf I books. 1750 01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:00,439 Thank you for the cool stream. Well, thank you, rich 1751 01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:04,520 I appreciate it. Love all you guys until next time. 1752 01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:06,640 I hope you enjoyed it. God bless have a good night.