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Speaker 1: My name is Kenneth and I live in an area

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called Arcla, tex It's where the Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas

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state lines meet. I grew up in Texarkana back in

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the nineteen sixties, and my family and I love to

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go camping in the river bottoms of Little River, Arkansas

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in Little River County. I reported this event several years

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ago to other reporting agencies or organizations. I went dormant

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afterwards due to the ridicule and other family members recanting

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from what we experienced this night, So I'm the only

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one still holding on to the actual events that took

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place in August of nineteen sixty nine when we encountered

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a white bigfoot. I was twelve years old when we

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had our first encounter on a Friday afternoon at Cottonwood Shoals.

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My family and I were excited about going on a

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weekend camping trip. My brothers and I got the family

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truckloaded with all our gear and when my father got

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home from work, there would be no delay in getting

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to the woods. As we were leaving, a family member

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who lives a couple of houses down stepped out to

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the curb and she waved us down. She was my

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aunt's mother in law, and she asked us not to

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go camping at Cottonwood Shoals. She said that her and

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her husband were there a couple of weeks ago and

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saw a hairy man peering at them from behind some

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brush while she was fishing, and it scared the hell

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out of her. She said she had run to get

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her husband, who was fishing, and she told him what

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had happened. Well, he called her a crazy old one.

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Oh man, what a mistake. He called her a crazy

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old woman, and then he took her home. My father

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told her that we would keep a lookout for this monster,

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and that she shouldn't worry about us. I'll be honest,

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we were all laughing as we drove away. We don't

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laugh anymore. I'm about to tell you why. We arrived

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in time to set up camp and have supper. My

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three older brothers got their fishing gear and they went

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to get a night in of catfishing. It was getting

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dark when my mother and younger sister and two younger

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brothers crawled into the tent. They were ready to turn

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in for the night. My father enjoyed sitting by the

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campfire drinking beer and listening to country music on the radio.

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I wasn't ready for bed, so I decided to take

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a short walk down the road. The moon was bright

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enough so that I could see without a flashlight, and

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I hadn't walked far from the camp site, and the

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hare stood up on the back of my neck. I

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felt a current of wind whiz by me. Something had

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been thrown at me, and I turned around. I didn't

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see anyone. For whatever reason, the woman's story about seeing

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the hairy man came to mind, so I ran straight

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back to camp. My father asked what had me in

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a hurry, and I blew it off, saying that I

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was just tired and ready for bed. Once in the tent,

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I noticed our dog was acting weird. He was alert

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and staring at the wall like it knew something was

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out there. Well, I betted down and we slept through

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an uneventful night. Saturday was the big day for swimming

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and fishing and exploring the area. I was down the

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road where my brothers had been catfishing the night before

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and had had the place to myself. Behind me across

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the road were some pea gravel piles placed there by

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the county from that area, I heard noises like weird sounds.

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I looked around and I didn't see any birds. This

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went on for several minutes. To this day, I've never

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heard noises like that before. And I noticed my two

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younger brothers playing behind the piles, and all I could

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see was the tops of one of their heads. They

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both had cotton white hair then, so it was easy

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to see it was them, even though all I could

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see was the top of their heads. Okay, I thought,

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it's just my brothers playing in the gravel piles. As

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long as they stay over there and don't bother me

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while I'm fishing, that'll be fine. Later in the morning,

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I heard my mother calling us to come back to

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camp for lunch, so I grabbed up my fishing pole

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and I headed back. When I arrived at camp, my

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brothers were there. The only way they could have beat

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me there was as if they'd had gone straight through

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the woods. Well, I told them they needed to stick

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to the roads because the woods were full of snakes

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and chiggers. They looked at me like I was crazy.

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They went on to say that they had not even

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left camp all morning. Of course, I thought they were

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messing with me. I had seen them playing close to

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where I had been fishing. I let it go. We

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all had a fun day. By nine point thirty that night,

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I was tired and ready for bed. I crawled into

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the tent with the others and I was drifting off

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when our dogs started acting weird again. We had left

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the dog outside to sleep that night, and somehow with

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his teeth he had opened the zipper door of the

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tent and squeezed inside. He woke everyone up. The dog

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came over by me, and it was trembling like it

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was cold, but I could see by the whites of

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his eyes that he was scared. My mom told me

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to close the zipper and let the dog stay in

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the tent again. That night, that dog crawled in so

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close to me I think he was trying to get

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under me. At some point during the night, my mother

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me up. She was getting up to go to the

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bathroom and a spot behind the tent. A few minutes later,

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her screams startled us fully awake. Well. I immediately stood

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to look out the tent mesh window, and I saw

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my mother running back to the tent with her drawers

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still down around her knees. She kept screaming, something's out there.

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It's watching me, it's watching me. She made it back

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to the tent and was screaming the same thing over

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and over to my father. Well, he finally got her

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quiet enough to understand what she was even saying, and

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then he asked her, what's watching you? By chance? I

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began panting the woods, and I saw a large figure

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run past our truck. The truck rocked back and forth

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as it ran by. This thing was huge. It really

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shook me up. And then my mother began to describe

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this thing to my father. She said it was a

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giant and it looked like an It was covering white hair,

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and it had long arms. It was only a few

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feet from her when she noticed it. That's when I

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told them that I saw something run by the truck

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while I was looking out the window. So all the

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men walked over to look around in that direction. Beside

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the truck were giant tracks, clearly visible in the dust.

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My father noticed a dent in the rear fender that

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had not been there before. When my mother had started screaming,

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she had scared the creature as much as he scared her,

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and it ran away. That was my guess. I guess,

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not paying attention to what was in front of it,

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it ran into the truck and then carried on with

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its escape. That's what I thought, but that wasn't the case. Now.

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My father was worried. I could see it in his demeanor.

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Out of the truck, he pulled a shotgun and he

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handed it to my brother to stay and guard while

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we packed up camp. We were leaving. This was one

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of those times when it took no encouragement for any

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of us to pack up camp. It was dark and

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hard to see everything, but we started throwing things loosely

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into the bed of the truck. We had that camp

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site packed up in record time, and then one of

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my brothers yelled, out, there it is. He raised the

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shotgun and he fired into the darkness, and then my

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father yelled out, it's circling the camp. Hurry up, we

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gotta go. By this time I was terrified. I know

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the rest of my family was too, and we couldn't

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get out of there fast enough. Finally, with all of

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us in the truck, my father turned the key and

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it started, and in a few minutes we were gone.

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We made it home in the early morning hours and

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We all went straight to bed. It had been an

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exhausting night. The next day, our aunt came over to

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ask why we were home early. She already knew, but

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she wanted to hear about it. We all sat in

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the living room comparing notes on what everyone had seen.

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Apparently it was the same creature. None of us laugh

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at bigfoot stories, now we take them very seriously. This

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is not a bigfoot story, but a damn sure creepy one.

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You can call me Ray if you want to use

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my name. Let me tell you an interesting story that

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happened to me. When I was twenty, I had a

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friend that worked on a ranch here in Texas, and

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I would help the ranch out from time to time.

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When the owners were away, we were allowed in the

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main ranch house. It was a big log cabin with

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a giant game room and a trophy room. The owner

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had animals mounted from all over the world. There was

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a bar and a nice pool table. The cabin had

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a huge walk around porch all the way around. The

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cabin was made out of huge logs hauled in from

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the mountains. It was an absolutely beautiful place. The house

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had a large fenced in yard with motion lights all around.

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In state of the art security systems. After work one evening,

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we were hanging out and shooting a game of pool

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before bed. The ranch dog was in there with us.

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It was a huge rock whiler named Cowboy. A little

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after dark, the motion lights went off, illuminating the yard

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in the pasture. We thought it was a horse that

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may have come up to the house, so we continued

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playing pool. Some time later, the lights came on again,

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but there was nothing out there, and still Cowboy continued

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acting strange and he appeared to be watching something out

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the window. An hour went by and the motion detector

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lights came on again. We heard footsteps on the porch

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around the back of the house. After a detailed check,

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we couldn't find anything, but it was still getting kind

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of creepy. Now we were starting to think that someone

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was messing with us, so we had one last game

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of pool, and then suddenly the lights came on again

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and Cowboy the rockweller started barking ferociously. It really got

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our attention, and then we heard footsteps on the porch again.

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They were getting close to the side door coming out

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of the game room. We walked around to the gun

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cabinet and we grabbed rifles, and the huge dog crawled

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under the table and he was whimpering. We didn't know

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what to think, but that was enough for us. We

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packed up and we headed back to town. The next

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day we went back, the owner had returned and we

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described the events to him, sure that he was going

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to say that we were crazy, but surprisingly he didn't,

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and then he launched into his story even more weird

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than ours. His daughters were riding horses on the back

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of the property a few weeks back, and it was

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just a normal ride. Later in the day, the girls

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came back on the horses at a full gallop and

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they were terrified, in almost a panic. They told him

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that they were going down through the creek crossing and

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the horses got spooked. They looked around, thinking maybe it

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was a predator near by making the horses jumpy, but instead,

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a short distance down the creek, they saw an old

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Indian chief standing in the middle of the creek, and

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he was standing on top of the water. He was

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dressed in the traditional clothing and headgear that you would

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imagine a chief would be dressed in. It scared them

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so bad that they ran the horses full speed back

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to the cabin. We did some digging and we found

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there was an ancient Indian burial ground nearby. After that event,

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there would be fresh napped arrowheads found occasionally around our campfires.

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I just wanted to share this short event with your audience.

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Odd things happen to people all the time. This is

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just one of them. I believe it's true. The best

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we could figure it was the old Indian chief walking

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around on the porch that night that we were shooting pool.

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We never stayed there overnight again. Ghosts on the Colorado River.

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I was sixteen when I had my first trip down

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the Colorado River. The river runs through the Grand Canyon

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between Arizona and Nevada, and, in my humble opinion, is

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the best way to see the National Park and all

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its God intended beauty. The river is two hundred and

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fifty miles of glorious water, desert, and red rock. A

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great place for a kid to make some good money,

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and absolutely nowhere to spend it. I first started running

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the river as what they call a swamper. A swamper

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is someone who gets a free trip in exchange for

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working their way down the river and helping the river guides.

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This starts with a day long process to inflate and

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rig a two ton boat and load it with enough

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provisions to last eighteen people a full week of eating,

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surfing turf most nights. That's a lot of heavy lifting,

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and I soon became popular due to my strong work

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ethic and my strong back, and like most sixteen year

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old boys back then, I was happiest when I was

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picking up something heavy and flexing for the girls. After

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the first trip, I was hooked, and they soon gave

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me an actual job, and I was promoted to a

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river guide. In training, I started running as often as

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I could, gone for months at a time, and making

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great money for a sixteen year old kid. By the

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end of the season, it was hard to put on

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a shirt and put away my sandals and go back

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to a boring high school life. A typical trip on

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the river was a week long. They were divided up

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into two parts, the upper and the lower. The upper

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group of passengers would go float for four days and

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then helicopter out. At the same time, a new group

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for the lower part of the river would helicopter in.

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The upper had the best rapids, but the lower had

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more intrigue, and I'll get to that later. Passengers were

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usually tourists from the big city who had never so

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much as set foot on a dirt trail or rock

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let alone. Spent four days in the middle of a hot,

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stinking desert, and at times US guides would crim and

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just we watched them walk around like aliens on a

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new planet, just waiting for them to twist or break

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an ankle. The area is so remote that hikers regularly

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go missing and are never found again. I once even

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had a local pilot lean over to me in a

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quiet voice and say, Hey, if you ever need to

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get rid of a body, just let me know. I

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know where we can drop it out of my plane.

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No one will ever find it. Needless to say, that

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left me speechless. I couldn't tell if he was kidding,

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and I wasn't about to dig in and find out.

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But I digress. We did our best to protect our passengers,

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but I don't think they realized just how dangerous the

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trip really was. Between massive rapids that can pin you

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against the boulder and drown you, the freezing water that

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can quickly put you into hypothermia, and the poisonous wildlife

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it was pretty much like walking through a minefield. I

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knew guides that had found actual bodies floating in the river.

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They just fished them out, wrap them in a tarp,

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and drop them off at the next helipad. Now that

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I write that, I admit it sounds worse than it

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really is. One thing our passengers didn't realize is that

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once you start floating down the canyon, it's nearly impossible

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to get out. The river passes through some of the

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most remote areas of the country, with sheer canyon walls

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up to four thousand feet high. There are very few

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trails up to the rim, and injured hikers or boaters

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typically die before they get help, or if they're lucky,

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someone calls a helicopter they pluck them out of the canyon.

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That's not as easy as it sounds, because cell phones

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don't have a prayer of working here. In the old days,

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we had to wait for a commercial airliner to fly

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overhead and we'd contact them on the emergency radio channel.

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They would then radio the Park Service to arrange for

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a helicopter at a predetermined time and place. These days,

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satellite phones seemed to work better, but even the narrow

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canyon walls can interfere with that signal. With all this said,

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the grandeur and the splendor of the canyon is worth

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all that risk. My personal favorite is the canyon walls

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in the morning light. It is nothing less than breathtaking.

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The beauty of this place still captivates me today and

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millions who visit. The river passes through Indian reservations, the Navajo,

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the Hopi, the Piute, and the Wallapie, among others. This

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story is about a night we camped on the Wallapie

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side of the river. The trip had gone well up

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to this point, and we were at the end of

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a four day and our passengers would be helicoptering alphon

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Neexis morning. The group was large enough that we had

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two boats to float the thirty passengers. These weren't the

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typical inflatable boats with oars. These are thirty foot long

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and they set two feet off the water. The design

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wasn't originally used in World War II to support temporary

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bridges over the water. They have a metal frame inside

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and they weigh two tons empty. To manage this heavy boat,

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there's a twenty five horsepower motor on the back. The

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engine is for some propulsion, but mostly for steering the

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beasts through the massive rapids. While these boats are quite large,

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they don't even compare to the size of the rapids

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in the canyon. I've seen many disappear into the rapids

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and held my breath as I waited for them to exit.

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It was getting laid. On day four, we began looking

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for a place to camp. We had lingered long enough

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at lunch than we should have. The day was quickly

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getting away from us. We passed several other river trips.

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Each time we would pause and ask where they were

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going to camp, and we quickly found out that our

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options were limited. We would have to camp at a

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location that was less than ideal. The guy I was

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with was very disappointed and even seemed on edge about

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the campsite. I was surprised, given that he was a

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twenty year veteran who had seen it all, and I'd

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never seen him get agitated like that. The campsite was fine,

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but it was not great. It was rocky, with limited

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space for that many people to place their cots, but

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that was okay. The passengers didn't know any different, and

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we were not about to tell them. Our predominant feature

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of the site was a step and rugged canyon up

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above it. To a sixteen year old, it looked like

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an nice adventure after dinner if the light held. And

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after I finished cleaning up dinner, I told the guy

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that I was going to hike or climb up through

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the canyon. He strongly discouraged me, and he told me

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that there was a Wallapie Indian burial ground just up above.

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He simply but firmly said, trust me, you do not

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want to go up there. I have to pause and

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talk about the Waala Pie. I've come across many Native

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Americans in the canyon and surrounding areas, and many are

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guides and really great people. The Walla Pie in those

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days even used to run their own tours down the river,

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and they were always easy to get along with. But

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with that said, the history of the Wala Pie is

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a bit more colorful. The way the legend goes it

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is that during the Indian Wars and the mid to

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late eighteen hundreds, the Walla Pie, like most tribes, pushed

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back hard against the United States cavalry. Tensions were high

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and both began using unsavory tactics. At one point, the

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son of a Wallapie chief was kidnapped in Hell for ransom.

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For some reason, the negotiations went south and his son

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was killed. Since that day, visitors began disappearing on the

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reservation and on the river running through it. Most attributed

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it to skin walkers and the locals delving into black magic.

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I only made it halfway up the canyon before I

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got an odd feeling like I shouldn't be there. That feeling,

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along with the fading light, made me quickly turn around.

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I didn't want to be up there in the dark

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with that I shouldn't be here feeling in my gut,

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and I quickly turned around and I returned to camp.

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I think the other Goud was relieved to see me

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come back, and it wasn't until later that night that

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he told me the last guy that went up there

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couldn't shake a bad feeling. For months. He was convinced

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that the spirits of the dead Wallapie were following him around.

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He was always looking over his shoulder and he felt

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like he was being watched. As you can imagine, that

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didn't exactly make me feel any better, and soon after

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we all decided to turn in for the night. What

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ensued was one of the most restless nights of my life.

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It all started shortly before I went to bed. Most

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of the guys slept on the boat. I was sleeping

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on the front of the boat, nearest to the shore.

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I was woken up by the sound of footsteps in

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the water. And at first this wasn't a real concern.

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Periodically we'd have a sleepless or drunk passenger walking around

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at night, exploring or a little bit lost. However, when

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I shined my flashlight in the direction of the sound,

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I didn't see a thing. This pattern repeated itself all

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night long. I must have woken up at least every hour.

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It was just before dawn as the first hint of

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light entered the canyon that I was nearly shaken out

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of my cot. In fact, both boats were violently shaken,

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to the point that we all nearly were thrown overboard.

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Two boats, nearly six tons fully loaded, were shaken like

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a toy. We all jumped up and looked around, and

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we looked to see if perhaps river debris had bumped

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into us, or maybe something fell off the boat. But

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everything looked to be in order, and these were big

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boats that were hard to move. Maybe I was dreaming this.

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After the initial shok war off, the sleep set in

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and everyone went back to bed. I couldn't sleep, though

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I'd been on edge all night, and now this happened.

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I sat there, staring down into the brown, cloudy water,

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and then I saw it. It was something just below

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the surface. It was blurry, but something was definitely there.

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I leaned in to try to help my eyes focus

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in the dim light, and as I stared into the water,

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it seemed to draw me in. Two dark spots slowly

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solidified to become eyes, piercing eyes that locked into mine,

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not like looking at eyes in a picture, but eyes

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that moved to meet yours. Something with a consciousness, something

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almost like a new awareness, came over me, like it

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had been there all along, but I hadn't seen it before.

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The nose and the mouth, and the forehead and the

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chin all began to take shape. It was a face

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of an old Indian man, with weathered skin and deep wrinkles.

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He wore a full head dress with feathers and beads.

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He appeared proud and defiant, almost royal. I was rattled

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by this revelation and shocked, and I jumped back and

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when I came back to look, he was gone. Over

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the course of the next three summers, I refused to

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camp at that site. Some of it was fear from

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my experience, but most of it was out of respect,

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my new respect for the dead of that place.

