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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the image, I mean, it's basically burned into

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<v Speaker 2>our brains at this point, the pale blue dot.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Voyager one, Carl Sagan's whole speech. It's iconic.

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<v Speaker 2>It is right, that one tiny pixel of light just

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<v Speaker 2>hanging there in a sunbeam, and for what the last

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<v Speaker 2>thirty plus years, that's been our shorthand for life in

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<v Speaker 2>the universe. If you look for aliens, you look for

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<v Speaker 2>the blue, you look for oceans, you look for that

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<v Speaker 2>specific shade that says earth like. It's almost romantic.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. It's a beautiful thought, but it's also well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a bit of a trap. A trap how so,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a cognitive trap because it locks us into looking

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<v Speaker 3>for a mirror. We're looking for ourselves, but ourselves today.

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<v Speaker 3>It just assumes that habitable always equals blue, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is exactly where we're going today.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to just for a second reimagine that dot.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget the blue. Instead, picture of that pixel is a deep,

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<v Speaker 2>vibrant purple.

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<v Speaker 3>Or get this, What if the oceans on that dot

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<v Speaker 3>weren't blue at all, but like a bright, almost neon green.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the kicker. This isn't science fiction. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>talking about some far flown alien world.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, not at all. We are talking about Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>This is our own history. If alien astronomers had been

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<v Speaker 3>looking at our planet at different times, they wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>seen a pale blue dot.

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<v Speaker 2>They have seen a purple world, oh or a green

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<v Speaker 2>ocean world.

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<v Speaker 3>And that simple fact that our planet changes its color

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<v Speaker 3>over billions of years is at the heart of this. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>this really intense debate happening inside NASA right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a huge struggle. We're talking about giant space telescopes,

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<v Speaker 2>million dollar budget fights, ancient bacteria, and even rocks that

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to trick us exactly. We're looking at a

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<v Speaker 2>new white paper that just came out January twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six on the Arts of pre Print Server. It's from

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<v Speaker 2>the Living World's Working group.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is a very very cool name for a committee

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<v Speaker 3>of scientists.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a superhero team, doesn't it. But their

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<v Speaker 2>job is actually really practical. They're trying to define the

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<v Speaker 2>capabilities of the next great space telescope, the Happible World's

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<v Speaker 2>Observatory or HWO.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and the argument they're making in this paper is,

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<v Speaker 3>to put it simply, if we build this thing on

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<v Speaker 3>the cheap, if we cut corners on the sensors to

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<v Speaker 3>save a few.

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<v Speaker 2>Billion dollars, which always happens.

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<v Speaker 3>It always happens, then we might stare right at a

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<v Speaker 3>living planet and have absolutely no idea what we're looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>Or and I think this might be worse, we might

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<v Speaker 2>stare at a dead, toxic rock and convince ourselves we

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<v Speaker 2>found a jungle.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the fear, that's the big false positive nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the mission today. We're going hunting for purple earths,

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<v Speaker 2>green oceans, and the cosmic impostors trying to fool us.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So before we even get to the cool biology,

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<v Speaker 2>the purple bacteria and all that, we haven't talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the machine, the tool, this Habitable World's Observatory.

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<v Speaker 3>The HWO yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've all been obsessed with the James Web

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<v Speaker 2>Telescope JWST for the last few years. The images are

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<v Speaker 2>just stunning. So why do we need another huge, expensive telescope.

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<v Speaker 2>What can HWO do that Web can't.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the multi billion dollar question, isn't it? And

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<v Speaker 3>it really comes down to how they look at planets.

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<v Speaker 3>JWST is an absolute marvel, don't get me wrong, but

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<v Speaker 3>for exoplanets planets around other stars, it mostly uses a

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<v Speaker 3>method called transit spectroscopy.

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<v Speaker 2>Transit's okay, so that's the shadow method.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, The shadow method exactly, you have to wait for

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<v Speaker 3>a planet to pass directly in front of its star

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<v Speaker 2>And as it does, a tiny bit of the starlight

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<v Speaker 2>shines through the planet's.

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<v Speaker 3>Atmosphere precisely like sunlight through a stained glass window, and

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<v Speaker 3>by looking at what colors get filtered out, you can

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<v Speaker 3>tell what gases are in that atmosphere. Oh, there's methane here,

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<v Speaker 3>there's water, vapor. It's incredible, Like there's a butt, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a big butt. You're only seeing the edges. You're basically

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<v Speaker 3>looking at a backlit silhouette of the planet. You're sniffing

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<v Speaker 3>its air, but you're not seeing its surface.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't see the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't see the ground. The Habitable World's Observatory is

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<v Speaker 3>designed to do something much much harder. It's designed for

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<v Speaker 3>direct imaging.

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<v Speaker 2>Which sounds simple. It just means taking a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>the planet itself.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds simple. We take pictures all day, but the

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<v Speaker 3>physics of it are just staggering. You're trying to photograph

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<v Speaker 3>a tiny firefly floating right next to a giant, blinding searchlight.

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<v Speaker 2>From miles and miles away.

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<v Speaker 3>From light years away. The star is billions of times

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<v Speaker 3>brighter than the planet. If you just point a telescope,

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<v Speaker 3>the planet is completely lost in the glare.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do you solve that? What's the trick?

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<v Speaker 3>The trick is a very clever piece of engineering called

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<v Speaker 3>a coronagraph. A coronagraph, Yeah, think of it this way.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're outside and the sun is in your eyes,

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<v Speaker 3>but you want to see, I don't know, a bird

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<v Speaker 2>It, what do you do instinctively and put my hand

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<v Speaker 2>up block the sun with my thumb.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, you create a tiny artificial eclipse just for your eye.

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<v Speaker 3>A coronagraph is a super high tech hand inside the telescope.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a system of masks and mirrors that physically block

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<v Speaker 3>the light from the star.

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<v Speaker 2>So it creates a little shadow right where the star is.

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<v Speaker 3>A perfect little shadow. It suppresses that glare by an

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<v Speaker 3>insane amount, like it blocks ninety nine point nine percent

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<v Speaker 3>of the starlight, and suddenly the faint little speck of

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<v Speaker 3>light reflecting off the planet next to it can actually

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<v Speaker 3>be seen.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the revolution, because if you can block the star,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not just seeing the atmosphere anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're seeing the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>You're seeing the light bouncing off the continents, off the oceans.

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<v Speaker 2>You can actually see its color.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where all the trouble starts because seeing color

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<v Speaker 3>sounds easy, but to do it from that distance, you

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<v Speaker 3>need incredibly clean data. The whole point of this new

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<v Speaker 3>white paper is that the aged needs an exceptionally high

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<v Speaker 3>signal to noise ratio signal to noise.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk about that in audio production. So it's about clarity.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all about clarity. It's not just about getting more light,

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<v Speaker 3>it's about getting clean light. Imagine you're at a really

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<v Speaker 3>loud concert and someone across the room is trying to

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<v Speaker 3>whisper a secret password to you, Okay, The loud music

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<v Speaker 3>is the noise, all the stray light from the star,

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<v Speaker 3>from dust in space, even heat from the telescope itself.

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<v Speaker 3>The whisper is the signal, that little sliver of colored

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<v Speaker 3>light that might indicate life.

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<v Speaker 2>And if the signal to noise is low, the music

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<v Speaker 2>is too.

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<v Speaker 3>Loud, you can't hear the password. You might hear a murmur,

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<v Speaker 3>You might think they said the right word, but you

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<v Speaker 3>can't be sure. The scientists are saying they need a

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<v Speaker 3>system so quiet, so sensitive that they can pick out

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<v Speaker 3>that whisper with total confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>And this gets us back to the horse trading you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>because making a quiet telescope is.

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<v Speaker 3>Expensive, unbelievably expensive. Every little bit of improved performance costs

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<v Speaker 3>millions or tens of millions, and the financial managers at NASA,

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<v Speaker 3>their job is to look at the plans and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>do you really need the deluxe sensor package. Can't you

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<v Speaker 3>just make do with the standard one cage?

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<v Speaker 2>Just fix it in photoshop later.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, And this paper from the Living World's Group is

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<v Speaker 3>their response. It's them saying, look, this isn't a luxury feature,

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't just gold plating. If we don't have this

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<v Speaker 3>specific capability, the entire mission could fail. We won't be

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<v Speaker 3>able to hear the whisper.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's get into what they're trying to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the whisker? If an alien astronomer is looking at

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<v Speaker 2>Earth right now, what's the gold standard signal that screams life.

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<v Speaker 3>For modern Earth? The clearest, most unambiguous surface biosignature is

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<v Speaker 3>something called the vegetation red edge.

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<v Speaker 2>The red edge, it sounds like a spy movie, A.

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<v Speaker 3>Cliff is actually the best way to think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So we all know plants are green because chlorophyll absorbs

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<v Speaker 3>red and blue light for photosynthesis.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, and it reflects the green light, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why we see it as green.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not the whole story. There's something else happening

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<v Speaker 3>that our eyes can't see. Plants are also reflecting a

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<v Speaker 3>huge amount of near infrared light.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, why, what's the evolutionary advantage there?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a radiator, it's thermal regulation. Infrared light is basically heat.

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<v Speaker 3>If plants absorbed all that infrared energy from the sun,

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<v Speaker 3>they literally cook themselves from the inside out.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, So they need to get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 3>They need to get rid of it fast. So they

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<v Speaker 3>evolved this amazing trick where their cell structures act like

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<v Speaker 3>perfect mirrors for a near infrared light. They just bounce

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<v Speaker 3>it right back into space.

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<v Speaker 2>That's genius, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you plot this on a graph of light,

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<v Speaker 3>a spectrogram, it creates this incredibly dramatic feature. The brightness

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<v Speaker 3>is low in the red part of the spectrum because

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<v Speaker 3>the plants are eating that light. And then as soon

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<v Speaker 3>as you cross over into the near infrared, boom, the

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<v Speaker 3>line shoots straight up like a vertical wall, a cliff,

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<v Speaker 3>a cliff. That sharp sudden jump is the vegetation red edge.

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<v Speaker 2>And rocks don't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Rocks and sand and dirt they don't do that. Their

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<v Speaker 3>reflection spectra are usually smooth slopes, they don't have sharp edges.

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<v Speaker 3>If you see that cliff, it's one of the strongest

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<v Speaker 3>signs of widespread complex life you could ever hope for.

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<v Speaker 2>But and I'm sensing the catch here, the thing the

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<v Speaker 2>white paper is worried about. You can only see that

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<v Speaker 2>cliff if your camera can see into the infrared.

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<v Speaker 3>There's the catch. If the budget committee says, hey, those

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<v Speaker 3>near infrared sensors are too complex, too expensive, let's just

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<v Speaker 3>stick to the visible light our eyes can see. Then

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<v Speaker 3>you completely miss the red edge.

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<v Speaker 2>The cliff is invisible to you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's invisible. You could be looking at a planet covered

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<v Speaker 3>in the Amazon rainforest and it would just look like

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<v Speaker 3>a dark, unremarkable smudge. You miss the smoking gun.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's argument number one for the expensive model. We

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<v Speaker 2>need infrared to see earth like life today. But the

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<v Speaker 2>paper goes deeper, doesn't it, because looking for modern Earth

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<v Speaker 2>isn't enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Not even close. I mean, this is where it gets

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<v Speaker 3>really mind bending for me. We're so biased towards green chlorophyll,

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<v Speaker 3>The world wasn't green, it was purple. It was purple.

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<v Speaker 2>The purple Earth hypothesis. I love this, So take us back.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on purple Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking maybe three billion, two point five billion years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>The most advanced life forms on the planet were these

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<v Speaker 3>single celled organisms purple and oxygenic phototrufs.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a mouseful it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just call them purple bacteria. The key thing is

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't use chlorophyll for photosynthesis. They used a different

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<v Speaker 2>Retinal wait as in this stuff in our retinas in

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<v Speaker 3>Very similar chemical structure, the same pigments your eyes used

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<v Speaker 3>to detect light. These ancient bacteria used to harvest energy

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<v Speaker 3>from the sun, and they work differently from chlorophyll. Chlorophyll

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<v Speaker 3>It's most efficient at absorbing green and yellow light, which

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<v Speaker 2>So it's absorbing the most powerful part of the sunlight.

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<v Speaker 2>And if it absorbs green.

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<v Speaker 3>Flex the other parts. It reflects red and blue light.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you mix red and blue paint you get you.

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<v Speaker 3>Get purple, a deep, rich purple.

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<v Speaker 2>So for a billion years, maybe more, any continents or

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<v Speaker 3>And this isn't just a theory. We still have them.

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<v Speaker 3>organisms called halo bacteria. They turn the water that shocking

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<v Speaker 3>brilliant pink or purple color.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can see what ancient Earth looked like today

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<v Speaker 3>And here's the number from the paper that just flings me.

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<v Speaker 3>This purple Earth phase might have lasted for nearly one

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<v Speaker 3>point five billion years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's staggering. That's more than twice as long as complex

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<v Speaker 2>animals have even existed.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, for a huge percentage of the time that Earth

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<v Speaker 3>has been alive, it was a purple planet. So now

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<v Speaker 3>apply that to the telescope problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So if HWO is scanning the galaxy and it

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<v Speaker 3>What do we see.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if we don't have the right sensors, we see nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>We see nothing. These purple bacteria, they're retinal pigments. They

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<v Speaker 3>absorb light well into the infrared, so their spectral signature,

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<v Speaker 3>their edge is different from chlorophylls. If we build a

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<v Speaker 3>modern plants.

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<v Speaker 2>We're wearing the wrong color glasses.

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<v Speaker 3>You're wearing the wrong glasses. You would look at a

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<v Speaker 3>world that is absolutely teeming with life, a thriving global biosphere,

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<v Speaker 3>and your multi billion dollar instrument would tell you it's

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<v Speaker 3>a dead rock.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the ultimate nightmare scenario. We spend twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>completely fail to recognize it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the argument. The Living World's Working Group is basically screaming,

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<v Speaker 3>you cannot design this machine just to find us today.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to design it to find who we were yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>Because statistically, for any given planet, it might be more

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<v Speaker 3>likely to be in its purple phase than its green phase.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we've got purple Earth. But the story doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>just jump from purple to the green forest we see today.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an intermediate step in the outline.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a middle chapter, the green Ocean hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 2>Where the oceans themselves turned green.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is a fascinating period geologically and biologically. We're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the rchae and eon. So maybe between four

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<v Speaker 3>and two point five billion years ago, the world was different.

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<v Speaker 3>The atmosphere had no oxygen.

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<v Speaker 2>So what made the water green? Was it some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of early algae?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Not, At first, it was the rock the planet's geology.

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<v Speaker 3>The oceans were full of dissolved iron that was being

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<v Speaker 3>pumped out of hydrothermal events. On the seafloor, specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>Ferric iron, and that colors the water.

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<v Speaker 3>It does. Ferrisc iron in a solution is really good

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<v Speaker 3>at absorbing light at the blue and red ends of

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<v Speaker 3>the spectrum, but it doesn't absorb green light very well.

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<v Speaker 2>So it reflects the green the ocean itself. Just the

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<v Speaker 2>water and iron would have looked green, that.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of murky olive green probably, But then life adapts.

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<v Speaker 3>Evolution is always an opportunist. You have these early cyanobacteria

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<v Speaker 3>floating in the water. They need sunlight, but the water

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<v Speaker 3>they're living in is filtering out all the good red

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<v Speaker 3>and blue light, so.

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<v Speaker 2>The only light that's making it down to them is

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<v Speaker 2>the green light that the iron isn't absorbing the leftovers.

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<v Speaker 3>So what do they do? They evolve a new tool.

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<v Speaker 3>They develop special accessory pigments called phycobilins that are perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>It's like they're tuning their antenna to the only radio

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<v Speaker 2>station that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Broadcasting perfect analogy, and so you get this layered effect.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a geological green signal from the iron and

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<v Speaker 3>then a biological green signal from the bacteria living in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now from the telescope's point of view, that's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be confusing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's extremely confusing because if you just look at the

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<v Speaker 3>overall color, a bionet with a green ocean full of

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<v Speaker 3>cyanobacteria looks very, very similar to a planet with continents

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<v Speaker 3>covered in green forests.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we saw that, would it even matter? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>green is green? Life is life? We pop the champagne, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean yes and no.

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<v Speaker 3>On the one hand, any row bust green signal is

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<v Speaker 3>a huge deal, But scientifically we'd want to know what

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking at. Is this a primitive oxygen poor world

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<v Speaker 3>with simple bacteria or.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a mature, oxygen rich world with complex plants.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are two fundamentally different stages of planetary evolution. Telling

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<v Speaker 3>them apart requires incredibly high spectral resolution. You need to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to see the subtle little bumps and wiggles

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<v Speaker 3>in the spectrum that differentiate a phycobilin pigment from a

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<v Speaker 3>chlorophyll pigment.

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<v Speaker 2>So again it comes back to the quality of the instrument.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't give us a blurry, low res camera exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But it gets even more complicated because sometimes a color

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<v Speaker 3>that looks like life isn't life at all. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a rock trying to fool you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the part that gives me anxiety. The mimics,

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<v Speaker 2>the false positives.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the core of the engineering argument in the paper.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about being sure. We are so desperate to find life,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a huge risk of confirmation bias. We want to believe.

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<v Speaker 3>The universe, however, is full of minerals that can look

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<v Speaker 3>an awful lot like biology.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's go through the list of suspects. What's mimic

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<v Speaker 2>number one?

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<v Speaker 3>The most obvious one is iron oxide rust Mars. Mars

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<v Speaker 3>is the poster child. It's the red planet because it's

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<v Speaker 3>covered in rust. Spectrally, rust creates what's called a red slope.

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<v Speaker 3>It just reflects more and more light as you go

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<v Speaker 3>from green to red to infrared.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you have a blurry instrument, a gentle slope

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<v Speaker 2>can look a lot like a sharp edge.

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<v Speaker 3>They can blur together. Think about looking at a ramp

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<v Speaker 3>versus a single step from really far away. If your

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<v Speaker 3>vision is bad, they can look the same. You could

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely mistake a dead, rusty desert planet for a world

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<v Speaker 3>covered in vegetation.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do you tell them apart.

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<v Speaker 3>You need high resolution. You need to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>see the sharpness of the feature. Biology creates sharp, well

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<v Speaker 3>defined edges. Geology is usually smoother, more sloped. You need

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<v Speaker 3>an instrument that can tell the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so rust is a big one, but the paper

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned another mineral that was much more exotic. Cinebar.

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<v Speaker 3>Cinebar. Yeah, mercury sulfide. It's this brilliant red mineral, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's mercury.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredibly toxic.

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<v Speaker 3>You would not want to land on a planet made

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<v Speaker 3>of cinebar. But here's the universe playing a cruel joke

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<v Speaker 3>on us. Cinebar has a spectral feature. It has a

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<v Speaker 3>very strong, very sharp reflective edge.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like plants.

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<v Speaker 3>Doo, just like plants, but there's one tiny critical difference.

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<v Speaker 3>The vegetation red edge happens at a wavelength of about

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<v Speaker 3>seven hundred animeters. Okay, the cinnabar edge happens at about

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<v Speaker 3>six hundred animeters.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one hundred animeters. That sounds like almost nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>It is almost nothing. And if your telescope has low

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<v Speaker 3>spectral resolution, if your pixels are too fat, then six

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<v Speaker 3>hundred nanimeters and seven hundred animeters can fall into the

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<v Speaker 3>same data bin, they blur together into one signal.

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<v Speaker 2>So imagine the press conference. NASA gets up and says,

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<v Speaker 2>we found it a planet with a clear biological edge.

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<v Speaker 2>It's covered in red forests.

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<v Speaker 3>And then ten years later a better instrument goes up

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<v Speaker 3>and we realize, oh, whoops, it's actually a giant poison

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<v Speaker 3>us mercury rock.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be devastating.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the nightmare. That is why they are fighting

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<v Speaker 3>for this high resolution. They're saying, we have to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to tell the difference between six hundred and seven

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<v Speaker 3>hundred nanimeters with absolute certainty. We need to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to distinguish a tree from a toxic rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, and there was one more mimic, right, sulfur

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<v Speaker 2>elemental sulfur.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it has its own edge, but it's down around

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred and fifty to five hundred nanometers. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>little easier to spot because it's further away from the

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<v Speaker 3>vegetation signal, but the principle is the same. A planet

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<v Speaker 3>could have a weird mix of minerals, maybe some sulfur

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<v Speaker 3>and some cinnabar.

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<v Speaker 2>And with a low res instrument, that combination of signals

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<v Speaker 2>could mash together into something that looks convincingly and incorrectly biological.

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<v Speaker 3>You got it. It's not that the universe is intentionally

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<v Speaker 3>trying to trick us. It's just that chemistry is complex,

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<v Speaker 3>and biology is just a very specific, very organized form

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<v Speaker 3>of mistry. To find it, you need tools that are

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<v Speaker 3>precise enough to measure that specific or organization.

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<v Speaker 2>So this all brings us back to the present day,

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<v Speaker 2>to the horse trading. We have this paper the scientific argument,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's really it's a negotiating tool.

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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely a negotiating tool. The Living World's Working Group

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<v Speaker 3>is laying out its case for the budget committees at

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<v Speaker 2>And the case is basically, if you cut our budget

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<v Speaker 2>and force us to buy the cheap camera, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Will confuse mercury for forests, We will miss entire purple biospheres.

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<v Speaker 3>The mission you're paying for will not be the mission

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<v Speaker 3>you get.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the wish list summed up?

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<v Speaker 3>It's three things. One high signal to noise so we

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<v Speaker 3>can actually see the faint light from the surface. Two

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<v Speaker 3>wide spectral range from visible light through near infrared, so

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<v Speaker 3>we can see both the red edge and the signatures

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<v Speaker 3>of purple earths. And three high spectral resolutions, so we

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<v Speaker 3>can tell the difference between a real biological edge and

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<v Speaker 3>a geological mimic like cinebar.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's the reality, what's likely to happen. The sources

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned recent cuts to other big NASA programs.

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<v Speaker 3>The reality is that the budget is ex extremely tight.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very unlikely they'll get everything on their wish lists.

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<v Speaker 3>They are going to be compromises.

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<v Speaker 2>But the compromise here feels so much more significant than

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<v Speaker 2>you know, getting a slightly smaller hard drive.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a compromise here fundamentally changes the nature of

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<v Speaker 3>the mission. It takes you from a mission of discovery

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<v Speaker 3>and confirmation to a mission of discovery and ambiguity.

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<v Speaker 2>And nobody wants to spend twenty years and ten billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars just to get a maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, to spend all that time and effort to point

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<v Speaker 3>to a pale, purple dot and say, well, that might

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<v Speaker 3>be life, but it also might be a rock, that

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<v Speaker 3>would be an excruciating result. The scientists are arguing it's

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<v Speaker 3>better to build the yes or No machine, even if

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<v Speaker 3>it costs more.

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<v Speaker 2>Upfront, because we might only get one shot at this.

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<v Speaker 3>We will only get one shot at this in our lifetimes.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the flagship observatory for the next generation. We

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<v Speaker 3>are building the eyes that our children and grandchildren will

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<v Speaker 3>use to explore the galaxy.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we build them with cataracts on day one

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<v Speaker 2>to save a bit of money, they're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the one squinting at the blurry data.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the stakes. This paper is a plea to look

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<v Speaker 3>at the long game.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've gone all the way from the pale blue

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<v Speaker 2>dot to purple bacteria, green oceans, and toxic mimics. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a much more complicated picture of what life might look.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it really is. It shows that to find life

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<v Speaker 3>out there, we first have to really really understand the

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<v Speaker 3>deep history of life right here.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to remember our own purple past.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, and we have to be open to the

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<v Speaker 3>idea that pale blue is just one outfit in a

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<v Speaker 3>very large cosmic wardrobe.

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<v Speaker 2>So as we wrap up, I want to leave everyone

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<v Speaker 2>listening with a final thought on this. We always talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the cost of these huge projects, billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for a telescope, A lot of money, it is, but

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<v Speaker 2>think about the cost of not doing it right. Imagine

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<v Speaker 2>we build the cheaper version, we scan a thousand worlds

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<v Speaker 2>and we find nothing but ambiguous smudges, we might conclude

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<v Speaker 2>we're alone.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, we'd get a null result and just assume there's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing there.

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<v Speaker 2>But what if we weren't alone. What if the galaxy

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<v Speaker 2>is filled with purple worlds and we just didn't buy

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<v Speaker 2>the right pair of glasses to see them. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>higher cost, the cost of the telescope or the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of staying alone in the universe when we didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the question.

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<v Speaker 2>To look right at a living planet and see a

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<v Speaker 2>dead rock because of a budget decision made decades earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that feels like a tragedy on a galactic.

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<v Speaker 3>Scale, the ultimate missed connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's hoping the living world's working group wins their fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for walking us through.

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<v Speaker 3>All this My pleasure. Keep looking up and maybe look

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<v Speaker 3>for purple sass s
