WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:05.719 edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.240 give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599 and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every 5 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:15.599 single day on your favorite podcast platform. History in the 6 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:18.320 making could not be much more interesting than this. Let's 7 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:20.800 start to show the Right Way with George Brockler. If 8 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:24.280 you're new to the planet. George a very accomplished district 9 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:27.679 attorney in a repo the eighteenth and he's now about 10 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:31.440 to be elected DA in the new Douglas County district. 11 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:36.119 So George joins us to talk about this deeply concerning, 12 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:39.799 really remarkable in all the bad ways story about Colorado 13 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:42.600 Secretary of State Jenner grissold It loves to brag about 14 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:45.240 how she's the gold standard and everything else and so 15 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:46.600 holier than now. 16 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:50.600 And has just had failure after failure. And now what 17 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:51.200 do we have. 18 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.520 Thanks to the Colorado GOP breaking the story, we have 19 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:59.960 her office posting online six hundred different passwords, bios password 20 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.920 words to election equipment in Colorado. So George kind enough 21 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:05.959 to join us on the issue. 22 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:08.280 Of is there a crime here or. 23 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:12.519 Is it quote just a gross incompetence recklessness that requires 24 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:13.159 the resignation. 25 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:15.280 George, welcome back to the Dan Kaplis Show. 26 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:18.599 Hey, thanks for having me on, Dan, Happy Halloween. Love 27 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:19.159 the outfit. 28 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.840 Yeah, thank you, my friend, thank you. It's my orange 29 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:25.719 vest and just in the spirit of the moment. 30 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:28.159 Yeah. Thanks. A lot of great comments on it today too. 31 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:31.480 But yeah, George, so I know you've been studying this. 32 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:35.840 You tweeted out at George Brockler CRS one DASH thirteen 33 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:39.280 DESH seven O eight sub two. Can you walk people 34 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:40.840 through that and give us your take on this? 35 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:45.040 Yeah, you have to go back to Tina Peters. Right, So, 36 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.760 Tina Peters happens. There's an indictment. That indictment contains language 37 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:52.560 that says, amongst many of the other things that Tina's 38 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:57.040 accused of doing, she posted online the very same passwords 39 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.959 that Jenna Grizzold's office just posted online, and it says 40 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:04.040 it's a serious data breach. In response to that, Tina 41 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.680 Peters gets charged with a couple of different charges, but 42 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:08.919 not this one. And the reasons this one wasn't charged 43 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:11.360 is because it didn't exist. This was part of a 44 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:15.319 twenty twenty two bill that Jenna championed. That usurped a 45 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.800 lot of local control from county clerics and created broad 46 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.240 sweeping powers and a duty for Jenna to safe keep 47 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.159 these elections. But it also created a brand new law. 48 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:27.319 That's the one I put in the tweet there that's 49 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:29.599 gone crazy, Dan, I've never had a tweet like this. 50 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:31.919 You have them all the time. I don't. It's had 51 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:37.120 over like four hundred and twenty thousand impression. Wow, I've 52 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.879 never seen anything like it. And it's just the law 53 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.000 and this statute, which I think we should call Jenna's law, 54 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:46.199 for the law she can't be that allows her, that 55 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:51.120 allows her to go after anyone who posts online passwords, 56 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:55.000 and it calls it a fifth class felony when it happens. 57 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:57.560 And so the question you asked is the most important one, 58 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:59.759 and that is is what she did at crime? And 59 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:01.759 the best answer I can give to what she has 60 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:05.639 right there is we don't know yet. We don't know yet, 61 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:08.319 but there needs to be an investigation. Yes, the long 62 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:12.520 self requires knowing conduct, but we don't know. I mean 63 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.039 the number of questions that have yet to be answered, 64 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:17.080 and the frustrating part for me, and I'm sure it's 65 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:20.400 for the listeners too. Is nobody in power seems to 66 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.280 give a damn about getting answers to any of this stuff. 67 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:26.400 Jeez, I wonder why what party. 68 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:26.680 Is you from? 69 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.479 I think it's the dam Yeah. 70 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.199 Yeah, and Georgia At this point, as I've talked about 71 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:35.879 from the jump on this, I mean, there has to 72 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:39.599 be a special prosecutor, right, I mean you can't have 73 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:43.599 Phil Wiser investigating her. You can't have any other Democrat 74 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:47.039 investigating her. And that's no reflection on any of those individuals, 75 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:52.159 but simply for public confidence, you know, this can't appear 76 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.759 to be political. You have to have a true independent 77 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:58.280 prosecutor with the kind of forensic help that you need 78 00:03:58.319 --> 00:03:59.319 to get to the bottom of it. 79 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.360 That's absolutely right, And you know it's not throwing stones 80 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:07.759 to say what you said, because there are legitimate conflicts 81 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:10.719 that exist that would not just the party affiliation. But 82 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:15.479 the Attorney General represents the Secretary of State's office. When 83 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.079 Jenna went to court and tried to keep Trump off 84 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.319 the ballot, the person sitting at the table representing her 85 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:23.680 from the AGS. So Phil can't really investigate her. But 86 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.040 we do have a bit of a roadmap for this 87 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:28.480 way back in two thousand and eight, there was a 88 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:32.240 DA named John Newsom down in Opaso County, predecessor Dan May, 89 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:34.839 and he ran into some trouble and needed to be 90 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:39.399 investigated for how he appropriated certain funds. So Ritter appoints 91 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:44.000 John Southers right quality AG, A great AG. So others says, 92 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.120 hang on, I used to be John Newsom's boss. I 93 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.040 can't do this. That looks like a conflict. So he 94 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:53.720 turned around and then appointed two former district attorneys Al 95 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.079 Dominga's at a Weld and stut Van Mevrin at a Larimer. 96 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.000 So we already have a roadmap for how this worked. 97 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.160 And if it requires the governor appointing the attorney general 98 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:06.600 to appoint a former prosecutor, I just happen to know 99 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:07.959 a couple, yes. 100 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:12.800 And so, But George, I'm sure everybody listening is thinking 101 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.879 the same thing. Is there any way we can make 102 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:18.680 this happen? Whose desk is it. 103 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.360 On right now? Who has the primary responsibility right now 104 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:22.240 to make this happen? 105 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:26.680 So glad you asked, this election law is clear and 106 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.519 that it is the jurisdiction to cover election law. To 107 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.160 protect our election laws falls between both the Attorney General 108 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:35.920 and the district attorney. But here's what the statute says. 109 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.720 If anybody, any person takes an affi David to the 110 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.560 district Attorney's office, and the only relevant district attorney's office 111 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.199 at this point would be Beth McCann's, Devers takes an 112 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.800 affidavit identifying the person they think committed a violation of 113 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.879 the election law and spells out the facts, then the 114 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:57.680 DA must initiate. It says, shall initiate an investigation and 115 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.639 where reasonable, pursue a prosecution. And that's the ticket right there. 116 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:03.199 We can call on polls to do it, and he 117 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.079 shouldn't want us to call on him. He should want 118 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:07.759 to do this proactically because the problem is Dan. You've 119 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.800 called him out, I've called him out. The other media 120 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.519 has called him out. If they if they do it now, 121 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.040 he looks like he's caving in. And we know one 122 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.839 thing is true. The only person he gives into is 123 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:23.519 Kim Kardashian. So until he called an as. 124 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:27.240 Well said yeah, yeah, no, oh my lord, don't get 125 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:29.959 me started on that. Perture So right, George Brockler, our 126 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:34.759 guest candidate for DA in the twenty third George Brockler 127 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:38.879 dot com. So, as a practical matter, George, does this 128 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.759 person who walks into the DA's office respectfully and provides 129 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:45.720 the required paperwork need to be a Denver resident? 130 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:47.879 Nope, okay, No, The. 131 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.480 Way the statue reads is any person. 132 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:52.560 So can you get there before the end of the day. 133 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.199 I can't. It's Halloween, So I've got them. I've got 134 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:58.319 candy kid duties that I've got in front of me. 135 00:06:58.399 --> 00:06:59.759 But it doesn't mean we couldn't do it. 136 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.680 But wait a second, the DA could do it on 137 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:05.560 their own initiative obviously, right, which the DA should have 138 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:06.639 already done. 139 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:08.600 Now, maybe the DA has and we just don't know 140 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:10.959 about it yet. But that has to happen. 141 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:13.879 Jenna Griswold should be requesting it. 142 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.720 She should be you're right, you're right. Anybody worth their 143 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.319 salt in public office should be saying, hey, I don't 144 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.759 want my fingerprints on this investigation. I want someone else 145 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:24.920 to come in here and find where my fingerprints are 146 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.439 and clear me of this so we could move forward. 147 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.519 But everything she's done, Dan, and you've talked about this 148 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.160 now for a couple of days. Everything she's done has 149 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:38.800 been put Jenna first, put Colorado's election system. Second, how 150 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:40.480 do you not tell the clerks? 151 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:42.360 Well, that's what I was just going to say. 152 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:46.519 In great job by Kyle Clerk reporting on this, she reportedly, 153 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.680 is this right? George did not tell the clerks for 154 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.240 five days after this was discovered. 155 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.720 That is correct. And the only reason she told the 156 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:01.000 clerks was because Dave Williams and the g came out 157 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.040 with the news and then she had to rush to 158 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.639 tell the clerks. I mean, this is crazy. 159 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:08.879 Why didn't she tell the clerks? 160 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:13.319 Hijacked an investigation in Mesa County jump the investigations announced. Hey, 161 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:14.959 by the way, a bunch of ballots were stolen and 162 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.439 some of them swept through the system. That was premature 163 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.519 because the investigation wasn't done. Now she says, well, we 164 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.079 didn't tell anybody because we're investigating ourselves. 165 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.920 What you know, what's ironic here is if there is 166 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.120 not very soon announced some very high level, credible, independent investigation, 167 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:36.080 it's the most profound indictment of these elected Democrats and 168 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:40.360 Democratic Party in Colorado that we've seen probably in our lifetime. 169 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:43.399 And there's a lot of reason to criticize both, but 170 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.519 this would be by far the worst because that would 171 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.720 just be an admission at this point, right, that that 172 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:54.000 politics before public interest, politics before you know the integrity 173 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.039 of our electoral system. 174 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:01.519 I mean, yeah, it would be worst if. 175 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:04.519 You're Phil Wiser. You want to be governor, right, and 176 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.000 Jenna wants to be governor. So Phil says, look, I 177 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.759 represent you. I will compete for the same thing. If 178 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:14.679 this guy wanted credibility statewide, independent of party. This is 179 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:16.480 a guy that could come forward and say we got 180 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.639 to do this, and Jenna, you need to agree to this. 181 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:21.519 The governor wants to be president, he should have gotten 182 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:23.600 down in front of us and said, hey, dang party 183 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.519 be damned, this is an election system we're talking about. 184 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.279 You're right, my brother, that's what should have happened. It 185 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:31.559 should have happened for all sorts of reasons. Can you 186 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.639 stay through another segment, because what I want to submit 187 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.679 to you on the other side, though, is I believe 188 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:41.679 that is not happening now for political reasons. And George Brockler, 189 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:43.679 I guess he'll come back on the other side. But 190 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.159 as I was saying yesterday, my belief I can't prove it. 191 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.919 I'm not even sure it's true. My belief is that 192 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.399 the reason this story got launched in Kyle Clark did 193 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.200 a tremendous job, no matter what the motives were. But listen, 194 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.360 I think the left once Griswold gone and to the 195 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.919 point before the governor's race starts next Wednesday, and. 196 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:05.960 She is a very. 197 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:10.320 Inconvenient truths as a candidate for governor, which is that 198 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.919 the left talks this big game about diversity and enlightenment 199 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.440 and everything else, but when it comes to doling out 200 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:19.519 these big jobs like governor and senator, it's the white 201 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.000 guys who get them, and it's usually the old white 202 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.320 guys who get them. So the last thing they want 203 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:27.600 is Jenna Griswold in that governor's race, reminding people that, hey, 204 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.480 wait a second, what about women? 205 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:32.240 You know, what about people of colors? 206 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:34.519 So I think they want Jenna Griswold out of the way, 207 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:36.399 and this story, it is the perfect way to do it. 208 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:37.960 You're on the Dan Kapla. 209 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:43.440 Show and now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast right. 210 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.919 Blond Sound CNN because it reminds me so much of 211 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.120 twenty sixteen, And I think there are a lot of 212 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:54.679 similarities right now between this campaign and that campaign. The 213 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.080 divisions in the country were significant back then. People didn't 214 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.679 think Trump had a chance back then, He's been gaining 215 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:03.279 and gaining the momentum. 216 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:05.919 I don't know who's gonna win. I can't call it, and. 217 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.279 Nobody should because statistically and polling and. 218 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.240 Focused books, it is way too close to call. 219 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.840 However, the momentum is clearly in what I see, what 220 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:19.919 I hear is in his favor, and so every word, 221 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:25.519 every phrase, every misstep, every gaff matters as those last 222 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:29.000 remaining persuadables make their decision. I don't believe in they 223 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:30.080 undecided anymore. 224 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:31.679 I don't believe there is undecided. 225 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.159 So Franklin's hey, really happy to have George Brockler with us. 226 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.120 George is a super prosecutor first in the eighteenth in 227 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:40.799 a rapo about to be elected DA in the new 228 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.000 twenty third, which is Douglas County. He has a tweet 229 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:47.279 at this point which I think has probably been seen 230 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.360 by is it two billion people at this point, George, 231 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.039 this is some kind of new record, like four thousand, 232 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:55.240 four hundred and twenty thousand. 233 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.440 It's at four hundred and twenty thousand now impressions and 234 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.720 then like tens of thousands of likes and retweets, And 235 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.960 the crazy thing is it's a little insulting. All I 236 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:08.519 did was quote the law. Like when I say things, 237 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:11.320 it gets virtually no likes, but when I quote the law, bam, 238 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:12.240 it just blows up. 239 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.080 Yeah, and I'll quote for you what George posted that 240 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.039 has all of these likes and views, obviously from all 241 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:21.399 over the country. CRS one thirteen seven eight to two quote. 242 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:24.759 Any person who knowingly publishes or causes to be published 243 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.639 passwords ellipses relating to a voting system shall immediately have 244 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.080 their authorized access revoked and is guilty of a Class 245 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:36.840 five felony. Obviously, there's the knowingly requirement, but as George 246 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.600 pointed out, hey, we need a full investigation done by 247 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:43.720 an independent prosecutor to determine whether that occurred. 248 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:43.960 Here. 249 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:47.480 That's right now, and isn't it weird. I've heard that 250 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:51.080 this employee she blames some employee, and that this employee 251 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:52.960 is no longer with the office. And I've heard people 252 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:55.759 say he or she we don't know what's fired. Well, 253 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.200 I don't know if that's true. Here's something else we 254 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:00.879 know about the Dems in power and stay governed. They 255 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.679 hide the bad things that happen in office by making 256 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.559 these people sign these non disclosure drive government employees and 257 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:10.480 give them severance pactes that happen ilegal. We don't know. 258 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.360 We just can't. It should be legal. We can't know 259 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:15.320 unless there's an independent investigation. 260 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:17.480 Right, so we do not know if that happened here. 261 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:22.679 But George, you had mentioned another statute. I believe that 262 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.080 might apply here if I read this correctly. Is there 263 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:31.039 another statute that more broadly just discusses and I'm paraphrasing, 264 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:32.519 like official incompetence. 265 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.559 Well, yeah, there's two. There's two other statutes that apply that, 266 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:40.480 unlike Jenna's Law, were in existence for Tina Peters, and 267 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:46.559 we're actually got convicted of why law and it's it's 268 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.159 where you're it's a missing incompetence law, missing confidence law. 269 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.320 Tina got convicted of something called second degree official misconduct, 270 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:58.159 and that actually could apply here as well. And I'll 271 00:13:58.159 --> 00:13:59.759 tell you why. There's two things. And then there's an 272 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:03.480 act full statute within the election law that's called violation 273 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:07.360 of a duty, and that duty is defined by Jenna's 274 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.120 Law because there's this pre am or the legislature set 275 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.840 out in twenty twenty two, all the responsibilities that the 276 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.919 Secretary of State's state has now in these new superpowers 277 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.519 that they have, and she has clearly failed them, because 278 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:22.840 one of them is to protect the election system and 279 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:25.679 to follow the state and federal laws that are applicable 280 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.039 to it. Now clearly she hasn't done that, and failing 281 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.440 that duty, she signed up in my opinion, for that 282 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.159 charge and the second degree official misconduct. 283 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:36.360 So now the big question is will there be a 284 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:39.159 special prosecutor, as there clearly needs to be, Which is 285 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.879 not a conclusion that you or anybody else committed a crime. 286 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:44.759 The point is simply that there are fair questions out 287 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:46.960 there that have to be answered in the interest of 288 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:50.320 public confidence in the system and in the interest of 289 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.879 making sure nothing was compromised here. So I don't have 290 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:55.960 the ability to know the answer to that. You need 291 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.000 somebody with investigative powers, somebody with subpoena power if ness's 292 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.120 through a grand jury, somebody with a forensic expert. So 293 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:06.720 as people are driving down the street right now, George, 294 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:08.720 you know, they're probably making Dennis a lot of money, 295 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:12.559 just grinding their teeth together, thinking, OMG, the Left's going 296 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:15.120 to be able to just sweep this under the carpet. 297 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.080 There's not going to be any real investigation. If it 298 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.840 was a Republican they already would have had the public hanging. 299 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.639 So in the end, is there anything people listening can 300 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.320 do to make sure that what should happen happens. 301 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.080 What if everybody either send an email to because we 302 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.519 know poll us response to two things Kim Kardashian and 303 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.879 the other is a change dot org petition. Right, those 304 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:41.159 have changed his mind on multiple criminal things. But I 305 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:44.399 think I think what we need is just one one 306 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.159 good person in that Denver area there to go in 307 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.279 and swear out an affidavit using nothing more than Kyle 308 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.639 Clark's interview and any of the number of articles that 309 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.759 got reported. It's got Jenna's statements on it. That should 310 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.919 be enough to launch an investigation. And when you say 311 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.440 we know this would be different for Republican, we know 312 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.159 it would be different because it happened. When Jenna saw 313 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:08.960 something she thought was miss convict in Mesa, she swooped 314 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:13.080 in and removed an elected official from her authority to 315 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:16.279 oversee that election. We know that if a Republican clerk 316 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:20.000 and recorder had posted passwords online, she would have rushed 317 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:23.159 to MSNBC. She would have talked about protecting the system, 318 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.519 she would have condemned that person and stripped them of 319 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.559 their authority. But when she does it and Kyle Clark 320 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.559 asks the common sense question, Hey, are you going to resign, 321 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:36.879 She's like, absolutely not. Why all the heirs big sigh, Well, 322 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.000 I thought perfectly, yeah, well the person that's taken over 323 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:41.919 the election system. 324 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.600 And let me shift out of legal analysis to politics 325 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.279 for a second, which you also do so very well 326 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.679 and did for years on your own show. First of all, 327 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:55.399 I think Kyle Clark did spectacular work on this, and 328 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.320 it was a good reminder of when we used to 329 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:01.879 have multiple investigatives. 330 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.879 Who did not appear to be just kind. 331 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.359 Of activists for political party interest and they did great 332 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.440 investigative reporting all the time, and every station had one, 333 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:12.960 and it was a great service to this state and 334 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.519 Kyle Clark. This one report was just a reminder of 335 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:20.759 those golden days and how valuable it is. So full 336 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:23.079 credit to Kyle Clark for all of that. Now, my 337 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.000 own suspicion, of course, is that there's politics behind this, 338 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:29.880 and that the left ones Jenna Griswold out of the 339 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.519 way before this governor's race starts next Wednesday. So which 340 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:35.960 deems do you expect to see in the governor's race. 341 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:40.799 Well prior to this and depending upon how she weathers it, 342 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.839 I would have said Jenna Griswold, Phil Wiser, and an 343 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:46.200 outside chance at jo Nah Goose. And I say outside 344 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:49.559 chance because if the Republicans maintained control of the House 345 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:52.079 after Tuesday, and I expect that they will, even if 346 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.480 it's a narrow majority, if they maintain it, then I 347 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.880 think he looked strongly at jumping into the governor's race, 348 00:17:57.960 --> 00:17:59.720 and frankly, out of the three of them, I think 349 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.559 Joe is probably the best. Keep him out of the tree. 350 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:05.960 But if they take over the leadership of the House, 351 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.240 we're talking about a kid who's I don't know how 352 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:11.400 old is Jodah Gou's seventeen or something, but he's already 353 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.960 the number four guy in that right here, likely to 354 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:15.039 climb that ladder. 355 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.599 And well thought of there, George, is you know better 356 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:20.480 than I do. The music means done for today, A 357 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.599 great work on this heading toward half a million views 358 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:25.519 of that tweet. Thank you, George, Thanks for the time, 359 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:28.200 good luck on Tuesday Halloween you as well. 360 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:39.839 You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast, say good, tired. 361 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:44.240 Of the negative arm mind, buy you dank Joyce and 362 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:51.440 be in your mind for us to say, no, we 363 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:54.039 are not going backwards. 364 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:54.279 Are going. 365 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:01.400 I'm scared. What happened to the joy? What happened to 366 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:02.039 the joy? 367 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.000 That was Hillary and Kamalo and a duet? Oh man, 368 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:08.279 this is scary Halloween. Hey glad you are here. By 369 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:10.680 the way, George Brockler started the show with us. 370 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:12.160 If you missed it, you might want to pick up 371 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:16.200 the podcast because we were doing a legal deep dive 372 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:20.599 on the statutes might apply if in I underlying, if 373 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:25.119 there are any crimes associated with Jenna Griswold's office releasing 374 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:30.039 six hundred passwords to election equipment. Now, we have no 375 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.160 reason to believe at this point that there was anything 376 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.359 actually compromised in the end, but we can't know, and 377 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:38.480 the people the state have to know. There has to 378 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:42.279 be an independent prosecutor with forensic experts. There has to 379 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:44.160 be a deep dive. We have to get the full 380 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:49.680 truth public publishedly announced and provided in a way that 381 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.440 people can analyze. We'll get into the Trump campaign and 382 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.480 what it had to say to Griswold today, and of 383 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.400 course we'll get to all the latest on the presidential 384 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:00.680 Let's go first to Jim and Very you're on the 385 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:01.559 Damn Kaplis Show. 386 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:03.920 Welcome Jim Van, Thank you. 387 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:04.559 Sure. 388 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:08.599 I think Donald Trump should make a campaign promise right 389 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.799 now that if elected, he'd bring together both the Senate 390 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:14.400 and the Congress with the mandate that they work together 391 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:19.480 and craft a national abortion bill, thereby taking that issue 392 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.000 off the table completely. What do you think I. 393 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:22.680 Think he'd lose? 394 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:25.079 You serious? 395 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:30.920 Yeah, seventy Americans think there should be some agree with abortions, 396 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:33.200 some some form of abortions. 397 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:38.480 Well, I agree with you on that, but a good 398 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:43.240 strong majority of Americans object to late term abortions for example. 399 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:45.759 Right, That's that's what the Congress and the Senate is 400 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:47.839 getting the get rid of those things. 401 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:51.880