Speaker 1: Tube. He's on the tube. He's on the least lights.
Speaker 2: Did you see any northern lights? No?
Speaker 1: I did not. I didn't. I'm too low. I'm at
like twenty six degrees latitude here. I'm done at the
ass end of Texas.
Speaker 2: Oh never mind, okay, yeah, where are you at? We're
down here. You know where Tombstone is, of course?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so. Is that that's outside of Phoenix?
Speaker 2: Right, okay? Well, actually, okay, Tucson. You know, Tucson is
one hundred miles of south of Phoenix, and we are
one hundred miles south of Tucson.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're near Bisbee, it's.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, we're Yeah, we're just on the edge
of Bisbee and the edge of our seats, by the way,
but we're a mile high in the mountains. And I
actually saw the northern lights for the second time in
a year last night. Again.
Speaker 1: Oh god damn. Yeah, you're lucky man. All right, well,
uh yeah, I haven't seen him in a long time.
I saw him driving driving on the interstate in Minnesota once.
But welcome to the crime pace. Upon he doesn't podcast
today on a podcast. This is I've been looking forward
to this for a long time because I love this.
I love these videos. It's it's read Booth, the killer
bee guy and Hash. What's Hash's last name?
Speaker 2: Does he?
Speaker 1: Does he prefer to keep it secret? Or can he?
Can we let it out?
Speaker 2: Or what is the last name? Oh?
Speaker 1: Hosh is the last name? Okay, I apologize?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, My name is Hosh Hosh hosh ho.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. That works too, shure fucking why
not Hosh Hosh Hosh Hosh and read Booth, you guys,
put on you guys, put on these fucking suits and
go deal with the my arch nemesis. These bees. I've
you know, I learned about you from a friend who's
a herper. He's actually he's an organic chemistry teacher. He
does herping on the side. But he sent me these
videos and I said, this is fucking nuts, man. These
are This has got to be one of the most
horrible ways to die, getting sworn by these things. The
scoot Alotta hybrid you know, commonly referred to as the
quote africanized bees that was bred in Brazil with an
eco a very aggressive ecotype of APIs malifer. Of the
honey bees they had European and then they bred it
with the Southern ecotype, which is more aggressive, and so
now we have this mess. And basically, anytime you encounter
a faroh bee colony in the lower latitude United States,
it's going to be the more aggressive variety.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's assumed the worst. Let's put it
that way. You know. It's it's like as if you
have two landmines in your yard. One's a dad and
one's not. You're gonna step on them to find out.
Speaker 1: Right, right, I mean, these things and I've been chased.
I had a friend who's been chased because he's out
there digging around the brush, lifting up you know, tin
and sheet metal and stuff, looking for snakes and tortoises
and shit. And he did that once with a killer beehive.
They chased them. He got stung like two hundred times.
They chased them for half a mile.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah. And of course we see that
in here, but every single day. The most recent we
heard was up in Mesa, which is Phoenix area, two
days ago. Oh my god, these guys were transporting a hive.
So there's a bunch of people relocating these damn things.
Because of the great illusion of Winnie the poogle sunny
bees exactly, Joey, save the bees. It's not Nobody ever
asked which ones right. And so they're transporting this hive
and it lit up in their pickup truck and the
driver got stung up and lost control, killed a pedestrian
and ran into a pole.
Speaker 1: Jesus fucking I mean, I shouldn't be laughing, but like
it's like something out of a movie. It's terrible. It's
fucking off.
Speaker 2: That's the stupidity of it, you know. And that was
just a couple of days ago. This happens all the time.
People are relocating these things. What the fuck? It makes
no sense. They're relocating a deadly invasive species. What's not
the love?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing too, is you know. I
was just I went to the Southern California Botanist Symposium
last week and there was a guy that a presentation
on how honey bees actually they not only reduce the
diversity of native bees, which are fucking so cool. My
last podcast that there was a native bee diversity in
the deserts in North America, but the honey bees reduce
diversity of native pollinators, but they also reduce levels of
fitness in plants because you know, like a desert shrub
will have be covered in many different flowers, but they're
all on the same plant. So and the honey bees
behave differently than the native bees. They'll go from flower
to flower to flower on the same plant, so the
plant is essentially fucking itself, which leads to inbreeding depression
and reduced levels of fitness. Whereas native bees, and you
can watch them too, native bees will go from one
flower then to a different plant. That's I don't know why, Host.
Speaker 2: Can you expound on that a little bit because Host
talks about this extensively when we're doing these VIDs, Go,
what are your thoughts on Hosh?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think the main thing is people
don't understand that the pollination is not a s It's
very complex, right that that's what it comes down to,
And it comes down to more than just this inbreeding
thing you're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's like length of probiscus.
Speaker 4: You know the size of the bee, like squash bees
for example, you know only the squash bees can pollinate
the squash plants. You know, honey bees can't do that. Additionally,
you know most of our native bees they really emit
a very loud hum, and that hum is designed to
elicit a nectar response in the flowers. Right, and so
they basically the flowers get wet, right, the bees come over,
they start singing to them, The flowers get wet, and
then they can go in there and grab that nectar.
Speaker 2: Honey bees can't do that. Honey bees don't buzz follow me.
Speaker 1: Well, not to mention all the specialist relationships that exist
among native bees too. You know, a certain bee can
only eat the pollen of a certain genus or family
of plants. But these so they're invasive species, which a
lot of people aren't aware of, you know, just regular
people that aren't scientists or biologists or work in you know,
be removal. A lot of people don't know that they're invasive.
But then these things can be really deadly too. They
sting you, and once they sting you, you're marked with
a pheromone, and then others start coming at you. And
you don't have to be close to the nest either, right.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's the thing what people don't realize is
how badly these things are.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: When we used to have European honeybees, people are quite
shocked to learn that there were no honey bees in
the state of Arizona before eighteen seventy two. Ever, they
made it into California first. Now I'm talking European honey bees,
and people are always like, well, but I thought they
were native here, and I go, you know how I
teach it is, We'll go wait a minute. I've never
heard of an Alabama honeybee, or a Texas honeybee, or
a Latin American honey bee. No, they're invasive here. They
were brought over in the early in the sixteen hundreds
by colonists, and Native Americans hated them so much they
called them white man's flies, and that was the nice ones.
So they were kind of, you know, we were in
love with them. I used to keep bees up here
at the ranch years ago, in the late eighties and
early nineties, because I had Winnie the Pooh glasses on
and I thought, oh, they're cute and fuzzy, they don't
try to kill me, and they give me honey. What's
not to love. Of course, being myopic humans, we did
not we do not pay attention to what they do
to native environment, and invasive species has never benefited the
native environment they've invaded, right, So now all of a
sudden the Africanized come across the line and back in
ninety three, Joey, And so did I ever tell you that, Joey?
That that's why you know they came from down south? Right?
And where does that let from the border here? We're
nine miles so we call them be legals.
Speaker 1: So they can so they were because they're still in
the obviously in Mexico, and they've been slowly heading north.
And are they how how far that you know of
are they? How far north are they heading?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, first of all, that one went over your head.
I guess it was bee legals.
Speaker 1: No, I got it. I get you, I get you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah right, I'm giving you our time. Okay, So
interesting story on that one. A few days ago, we
got a comment from a fan up in British Columbia
and they have it. They're called trees and shrubs and
that's their business, I guess, up from BC and Canada
and they years years ago had this beekeeper that came
to them and said, can I keep some hives on
your property? And I'll give you some honey. You know
that's been happening for you know, as long as honey
bees have been here, and people, usually ranchers, used to
let them do that down here, and so they had
some bees. Well this guy, all of a sudden, the
bees started attacking her husband, and she asked him, what
the fuck you know, She asked him, what's going on?
She said, he said, oh, well, the bears are so
mean here that I imported Africanized honey bees to make
them more aggressive, to protect from the bears Jesus. And
so then the dumb shit takes these hives up into
the mountains of British Columbia for the fire weed nectar
flow so he could get fireweed honey. Now, if you
think for one moment that those bees did not swarm
up there and divide and conquer. There are Africanized honey
bees now in British Columbia, Ontario, and Alberta.
Speaker 1: So the cooler temperatures don't really seem to affect them
at all.
Speaker 2: And we we're actually not sure if it ever did,
or if it was the illusion of oh they're Africanized,
they can't stand it where it's cold. M h right,
that old fellasy right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're from a warm place, so maybe they need
warm places they can't take.
Speaker 2: But you know, like I did a show with Nat
Geo fifteen years ago or something like that, and the
whole it was the Old Monster Quest. Remember that show.
I think that Geo they were always looking for letting
lockedness and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And so when
the director called me up and I told him I'm
going to show you real monsters, almost got the cameraman killed. Man.
That was awesome. Yeah, I mean, anyway, the whole premise
of that show was to dispel the myth the killer
bees cannot live where it's cold. We went to flag Staff,
we went to Vegas. They flew me everywhere to get
samples of bees for testing a percentage of Africanization back
here in Tucson at the labs, and all of them
that we sent down in twenty fifteen, all of them,
no matter where they came from, were Africanized.
Speaker 1: They all had the and that's the scoot, A lot
of ego type the scoot, a lot of what is
it a variety I think or subspecies or some shit.
But so that was in all of them that came
all the DNA tests came back for positive for that.
Speaker 2: The exactly all came back and they're called African eyesed
because the dominant gene is the African gene.
Speaker 1: Where where is it from in Africa? Is it in
northern Africa or is it no southern?
Speaker 2: So what are they hosh South South Africa, South Cape
Cape beast. I think you know, there's no other an
Eastern savannah Eastern South African savannah beat.
Speaker 1: So this is probably an ecotype that evolved in response
to hives getting raided by large mammals.
Speaker 2: Probably, But it also turns out, Joey that the cross
breed is much meaner than either parent strain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's weird, that's kind of you know, that's kind
of So the.
Speaker 2: Only analogy that I can come up with is, you know,
you you breed. You take two purebred dogs and you
crossbreed and we end up with Chiua.
Speaker 1: Was every time right, the chihuahuas to chase you in
the street. They are so they're always so aggressive, you know.
But so this is because I had a friend. I
have a friend, she's a beat keep it down here
and she you know, I was asking her as like
two years ago before I really knew, and I said,
because I'll see count you know, Faroh honey beehives, and
she said, yeah, basically, anytime you see a Farah honey beehive,
they're all the scoot, a lot of hybrid, they're all
super aggressive, but sometimes sometimes they're not.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: That's what's confusing me too, Like even like the hive
won't behave aggressively in certain days. Have you noticed and
in some of your videos too, I've noticed that, like
you'll see, there'll be times when they're just lit up,
you know, like the video you did called Portal to
Hell or I Plead the Fifth the trailer one, and
then other times they're just relatively mellow. Is that like
a temperature thing that you've noticed, or just what affects that?
If anything?
Speaker 2: It really doesn't make any sense to us, because not
only do they look exactly the same as a European
honeybeat Okay, the difference is genetic. They don't look any different.
But just like any other gritter on the planet, how
they're behaving at this exact moment has nothing to do
their genetics. Behavior does not equal genetics. So they they're
still Africanized no matter how they're behaving at this moment, right,
And so some of them like, not every rottweiler is
going to kill you every time you see it. Not
every horse is going to throw you. Not. Nothing behaves
the same all the time. Right, Yeah, I'll.
Speaker 4: Share something interesting with you. Some of the some of
the most docile hives that we have exterminated, had killed
a dog the day before.
Speaker 1: Oh we're okay, Yeah, So it's it's just it's just
like a coin toss, I mean, because no matter what
that the alleles that come from the scoot a lota
hybrid are gonna they're going to be naturally selected for.
The most aggressive are going to be naturally selected for
and any any colonies. And this is probably what was
happening when they were migrating north, is that you know,
the the any feral European honey beehives which did not
need to be as aggressive because they probably because they've
been domesticated for so long that had been filtered out.
They eventually got replaced just by these hyper aggressive colonies,
or invaded by the colonies and then hybridized too or
but slowly. The net result is that basically everything now
is this is the africanized one. The scutolatas.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you have to assume it. That's for sure,
that could build grand mind thing. I mean, people still
so many people have Winnie the Pooh glasses on. We
call it right, and we get death threats for because
we're killing honey bees. It's just stupid, you know, It's
like people just.
Speaker 1: Don't know that. People are so removed. People are so
removed from biological reality. I mean, I deal with it
with plants all the time. People think all plants should
be neat and hedged and even lease spaced and have
variegated leaves and you know, be the corny shit you
get at the home Depot garden section. And meanwhile, the
nature around them, they're afraid of the nature around I
don't want to go out into nature. This takes and
snakes and you know, they're they're afraid of the living world.
It's wild. But so what do you guys, how do
you so, what's the method you guys employ for dealing
with these things when you're called in?
Speaker 2: Well, we have really good b suits and cohon's like that.
Speaker 1: But okay, well you got to have be suits obviously,
but what are the I know, you use glue, you don't,
you don't spray a lot of Uh, you don't use pesticides, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: We do, Yeah, we do sometimes. Well, yeah, absolutely. I
mean in the state of Arizona, you know, we're licensed
to use nuclear weapons that we don't you know, you know,
we're Bosh and I are both have all the licensing
you can get with the Department of Vague regarding this. Uh.
In the in our division, we actually teach for the
state for licensing continuing education, and we also teach first responders.
We have different classes for first responders and uh, you know,
share police, fire, et cetera. Because they don't want anything
to do with these damn things, right, yeah. And so
we've developed these methods act I primarily have. I've been
doing it for a brown thirty five years and Bush
has been with me for about five years now. So
I developed most of these methods to stay alive. Honestly,
you know, you know, people ask me where did I
learn all this? And I tell them, I tell them Joey, Honestly,
I have a doctorate from MSU, and they'll always ask me,
is that Michigan or Mississippi? And I said, no, that's
making shit up.
Speaker 1: It's from it's from a lived experience. It's from being
attacked by some of these things. But I mean, so
what when you're using I mean, what do you use
like permethrons, which are like the more organic stuff for
like the.
Speaker 2: Or the no, no, no, I'll use the pyrithans. There's
delta methrins and cypermethrians and whatnot that we use. And
of course the main thing with using anything of this
type of thing is use it according to the label,
because those are specifically they've gotten so fine tuned with
their chemical makeups, with their you know, one molecule removed
to make it adult to mathrin that it's only works
on that insect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're just they're chrysanthemum derivatives basically the phyto
chemistry and chrysanthemum's asc so and it's it's cool as hell.
Speaker 2: You know where that came from was the like the
Middle Ages and the Dark Ages, and people were not clean.
Pete was it was Pete was horrible. There was no
you know, hot water, running water, there was. People had
a lot of parasites, a lot of license. Somehow someone
figured out that if you bathed in chrysanthemum flour tea,
it killed the parasites. Yeah, and you know, so of
course modern chemistry and sciences and now we have our pyrithrins.
So when we go in. The basic approach is when
someone calls, which is pretty much almost every day and
sometimes fifteen to twenty times a day here in the
county for removal, and that's people that have been attacked.
Just a side note, people have no idea how many
of these beads there are. The average number of beehive
removals in Tucson every year is a ten thousand.
Speaker 1: God, that's insane. There's so many these things are there, Yeah,
for a year.
Speaker 2: Fucking terrible, although they're unde fucking legal. And we're extremely
rural down here. You know, this is a you could
fit Rhode Island is at the county, but it's extremely
wild west, extremely rural. But we'll get ten, fifteen, even
sometimes thirty calls a day to bending. We never know
we're on call, so we have our list of questions
to find out what's going on. It's extremely rare that
we'll go out to look at a situation because everything
is two hours to three hours away and we're still
in the county. Yeah, right, we do work in the
state of Arizona, and we do the removal for Border Patrol,
Share Police, Fire, Homeland Security, Customs and Border FAA and
all that. We're the only we're the only team that
are vetted down here by the FEDS for doing removals
on those properties.
Speaker 1: But when, but when you're going? I mean so because
I've seen you guys spray and glue in the video.
So you guys are spraying glue, and then I guess
to deal with the like the hive to make sure
it comes back, do you have to inject it with
like neonocottinids or something or like systemic. So that's what
I would imagine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, As to the spray, he's the thing. I came
up with that years ago, and it had primarily to
do when there's comb involved, when there's honey involved, because
if we spray our pyrriythrins around, we've got to throw
it away.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I got to thinking, well, I don't care if
these bees are are alive or not. I just don't
want them flying around, right. Yeah, So I started experimenting,
and I started off with hairspray be kind of a
logical thing. Well, hairspray the aerosolized liquid is way too small,
too fine of a mist, and it's all scented.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 2: They hate that show man. They hate any kind of center.
So so then I kind of modified the old approach
and switched to the craft adhesuit. And it's non toxic.
It's made to use inside your home for crafts, arts
and crafts and shit right, it's just Elmer's in a
can aerosolized. And so we spray that in the air,
as you've seen on our bids to knock them out
of the air. And we can with a half a can,
we can knock down thirty thousand of them and they
ants get them.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Oh so you're feeding the ants too.
That's good. That's supporting, that's nutrient recycling. That's funny. I'm
imagining you spraying them with hairspray and it just you know,
it smells like you know, when you're behind like an
old lady at the grocery store and she's just fucking doubt,
you know what I mean, it's just get more mad
and now they really start coming in. Yeah, I don't
blame them. So that was so you do that to
basically get the honey. And then because I had this
problem there there was a I had a fucking be
colony living in this like dilapidated toolshit on the back
part of my house in West Texas. And I tried everything.
I was like injecting it with pyreethrins. That didn't. I
couldn't hit the main hive. I'd go out there at
night when they would be less active, and I'd have
a hoodie on and like a face mask and a hat,
and shit, I was not prepared enough, you know, But
I only got stung once or twice at night and
then but then they still be active. And so I
went and I got systemics, which I knew, you know,
systemic insecticides from just growing cact die because if you
you know, if you're growing cacti in a greenhouse, you
basically need systemic insecticides because they just they didn't involve
with a lot of the spider mites and shit that
that they encounter in growing conditions indoors or in a
close greenhouse. And so anyway, so I would. I then
found this like foam spray that I could inject into
this hole, and I think that worked, but it took
like a good month to kill them to not see anymore,
you know, like there were still ones going inside, but
you got to figure every with the systemics stick around.
So every time they're going past going walking out the door,
they're getting some on them and it finally just knocked
them out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the residual re encounter that a lot, I mean,
And of course, as you've heard us say on our channel,
this is not a DIY channel. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's really easy to fuck up. And
there again there's no way to get away from them too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, well they you know, they've chased our truck.
As you know, we have a fire truck that we
use for a be removal or brush truck, and they've
chased it for ten miles.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw at one point they were in the
truck with you guys, like a bunch of them were
able to get in the truck when you you know,
you guys were getting attacked and you went back into
the truck. And then now you're filming in the truck
and they're actually in the truck with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that I mean, I have what do you
think each every day?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to some degree, that's where we get stung.
That's our happy place, the truck. We you know, frequently
we will leave a job. We got a bunch of
bees in the truck and it's it's a game of
you know, once they get in there, there they're really
there's a point where they're not aggressive anymore and they're
just walking around. The stings that I've taken in the truck,
and most of my stings I have taken in the
truck have always come from accidental, right Like I'll reach
in my bag and there's one in my bag and
it gets me, you know that kind of thing. But yeah, yeah,
we're popping. We drive down the road and I'm over
on the side popping bees. You know.
Speaker 2: God, So, you know, for miles and miles and we
still still have them on us.
Speaker 1: There was one there was one video you guys mentioned,
you know you, I think it was read. I think
it was you. You said I can smell the venom
like they had stung so much and they were trying
to sting through the mask. Thing you said you could
smell or taste the venom. Is that is that Legit?
Speaker 2: Is that real? Oh? Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: You know there's a we we rank them and it's
our own system, but we ranked them for a long time.
It was one through five, you know, in terms of
AGGRESSI and five being the most aggressive, one being what
are these things were European?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we had to add a class six
because we started getting into a hostility that we'd never
seen before.
Speaker 2: Pretty amazing, but yeah, you know, one of the things that.
Speaker 4: Marks a class four class five is you you get
into the hive and you know, you you catch a
whiff of that.
Speaker 2: You start smelling venom as you're going on. That means
and what that is?
Speaker 4: What that that? What that is is? That's the attack pheromone.
And there's so much of it in the air that
you're that were able to pick it up with our senses.
Speaker 2: Left.
Speaker 1: What does this smell?
Speaker 4: Like? Some people there's a banana effect in there, but
there's other stuff. There's it's musky.
Speaker 2: Banana, I don't know, maybe like banana bread.
Speaker 1: This is so repulsive, you know what, you know what,
I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Joey it is.
Speaker 4: It is one of the best smells I've ever smelled
in my life. Oh really, It's just that I have
this bizarre association with it. Now. When I smell it,
I know like, oh this is edgy, and I need
to keep my mask away from my face or I'm
going to get it.
Speaker 1: On the note, he's talking about the whole sensory experience
of being swarmed by these stinging insects. That and you
can smell the venom and then the pheromone that they're
using the signal to each other that let's kill this motherfucker.
I mean, that's just it's a gnarly experience.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I can't think. I mean, I can think of worse
ways to go, but that's going to be a bad
way to go out.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think I could.
Speaker 4: It's a painful thing. I mean, did you see that
video of those hikers that we just encountered?
Speaker 1: No tell us about that? What happened here?
Speaker 2: Holy shit. So it was last week and we get
a call. We're over in a place called the Sunny
Zona and you know, coaching count is huge, So we
get a call. We're headed to another job and we
get a call for the Sheriff's Department CCSO, and they said,
we have a stinging incident and on Stockton Hill, And
I'm like, what the hell? Is Stockton Hill. I've been
here fifty years. I know you were. You know, there's
many many mountains here and all that. So it's over
by Tombstone and there's a road called Gleason Road. Well,
these three professional hikers, they're you know, in their fifties,
but they're members of a hiking club and they're they
know what they're doing. And they were back about two
miles on this four by only road. That took what
a hoosh, about an hour for them to drive back down.
Speaker 1: God, and then's a fucking terrible man. That's my night, right,
it gets much you just run in the Well.
Speaker 2: Then they were on top of this mountain, you know,
about a forty five minute walk up this mountain. So
I go into my you know, no fun mode. I'm like, okay,
give me the name and phone number of the person
that called you, who's getting attacked. Do we have any
Sheriff's deputies on route? If so, which one? And I
need that number? About the fire departments? Do we have
any empts on route? Let's get those rolling. And do
you know what the where this is? She said, well,
it's at mile mark or so and so and Gleason Road.
So we flip on the lights on the fire truck
and race get racing over there. It takes us, I
don't know, half an hour to get there. And so
in that time I'm on the phone with the stinging
victim as they're walking down the mountain while they're getting
at that, while they're getting at that, and of course
they're freaking out, and I'm telling them, you've got, you know,
remain as calm as possible while moving as quickly as possible,
because there's a lot of the hills and mountains out
here are like walking on boulders or bowling balls or
marbles in the s furry very hard, and there's there's
tacked i every goddamn play, some snakes and everything else
along with the killer bees. So one guy's getting severely attacked,
and so I said, can you see your truck yet?
And or you know, what do you have? Do you
have a side by side? Because if you have a
side by side, they were open there's no cab on them,
and that's really dangerous that I don't think anyone would
have lived if they did not have their enclosed jeep.
So I talked to him and I was like, he said, okay, now,
I can see the jeep. I said, well, let's get
everybody down there and look for benadrul in your jeep.
Do you have a first aid kit? Yes, okay, we'll
dig around see if you have any benadrul and get
heading out that road. I'm going to get off with
you now so you can get everybody down into the jeep.
And then I got on the horn with the sheriff's deputy,
and then I got on the horn with the EMTs.
And it's very remote out here, and people that have
lived here don't know every damn driveway, of course, and
so we had to find the gate that these guys
went in, and we happened to arrive at the gate
at the same time that the victims made it out
with their jeep, and so they didn't want to be filmed,
but we did film after that when Hosh and I
are sitting in the fire truck after as they were
getting ready to haul the one guy away in the ambulance,
and he post lost, who did you lose? Count out
on one side of his head, pulling stingers up.
Speaker 4: Well between between Reed and I, we we scraped fifty
stingers out of his head. God, and I think I
mean they were on his eyelids. This poor guy, they were.
Speaker 2: On his eyelids.
Speaker 1: He was just your he was what he was like,
fifty something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that track, well, he took over. He probably took
over one hundred. Oh yeah, no, but he's talking about
his age. The guy's age. Oh yeah, yeah, but over
but over fifty stings.
Speaker 1: God, damn man, that's that's miserable.
Speaker 2: And they hold on that DMT.
Speaker 4: He showed up before we could finish I he had
him all on his scalp. He must have had one
hundred and fifty stingers on his head.
Speaker 1: They both lived, though, Did they both live?
Speaker 2: We don't. We honestly don't know. So once she passed, Once.
Speaker 4: She passed, we'd love to know. We'd love to know
what happened once you passed these guys off to the authorities.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't, Yeah, I mean we're not we're
not family, so we can't call the hospital and ask him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, damn damn.
Speaker 2: The other two guys had taken I don't know about
they said just a few stings. We knew they took
twenty each or more, and so we we gave him
Ben a drill and the empt showed up, and I
conferred with one of the emptis and handed the the
guy that was in shock. He was going into shock
pretty bad, hadding him off and he wasn't having trouble
breathing at that point, but they got him strapped into
a gurney, and then the sheriff's deputy showed up, and
I think even a guy from the department bag. There
were a bunch of authorities there because this is a
These are serious, serious events. Of course right now, we
asked them. Of course, while we're administering, we're trying to
talk him down, trying to get him calm, well, get
that heart rate down. We asked him what was going on?
How did these bees attack? Well, that's that's a really
strange one because they don't know. So they're walking down
this mountain and the one guy that got attacked the
work at a bum bum line.
Speaker 1: That's fucked.
Speaker 2: That's way.
Speaker 1: You're just fucking going for a hike and you just
start getting attacked by killer bees. I mean it's funny
in this really macabre way, like it's just you know,
it's like what the fuck man?
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, and out of the blue, out of the blue,
So we you know, did they come out of a cave,
did they come out from under a rock hall crapping?
They had no idea. They just started getting attacked and
so they To this day, we don't know where the
bees came from. And it reminded me of an instance
we had, I think it was last spring or a
year ago last spring, where Bisbee Fire Department calls us up.
We get calls from first responders all the time. Then
they're either we're en route to a stinging incident. What
do we do when we get there? Or can you
meet us there please? Right, So we get a call
eight am Sunday morning from Bisbee Fire Department and they said,
we have a stinging incident and I said, okay, give
me the contact, named address, and phone number. They said
it's out in front of the Bisbee Grand Barn Hotel
on Main Street in Bisbee. And I went, what the
what the hell? How many victims? Four people stung? Okay, great,
So we show up down there's just right down town Bisbee.
Here town five five thousand people, very small, break, quaint
and all that shit, and we block off Main Street.
It's eight am Sunday morning, eight thirty by then, and
we're looking. We went all over looking for bees coming
and going out of any building. So I ended up
talking to one of the victims and I said, what
did they come out of? Which building? I come out of?
And I was who we were talking to. But anyway,
the gist of it was, it was a cloud of bees,
a swarm flying up main Street that beard off and
attacked these guys n provoked the fuck. You know?
Speaker 1: I heard that once. I was in the Mohave Desert,
because I did. I've done a lot of botany in
the deserts from West Texas all the way to Mohave
and Colorado Desert, Sonoranda, And I remember, god, I was
in the Old Woman Mountains. This was fucking terrifying. As
of a friend, and we may or may not have
been on mushrooms, I can't remember, but either way, I heard,
I heard the sward this, We heard this swarm. No,
we were in I think we were in the Chuck Wallace. Yeah, God,
it was terrifying.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: We heard this swarm moving above us and there's no
other Yeah, and there's no other insect in the desert
that would move it, that that would travel in that density.
Like you're not gonna you're not. There's no native bees
that do that, there's no flies. It was terrifying and
and I just remember being able to hear it from
that high above, and me and my friend we both
looked at each other like, holy shit, we just got
got down. And I guess they were just moving relocating something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only well, the first time I ever
got attacked, I was with Martin Terry, who's a you know,
well known Payote researcher. He was one of the only
people to really do like genetic studies on different the
populations of Payote and got a DA licensed to study it.
He was at Sewel Ross University in West Texas and
he's a good guy, a friend of mine, good botanist too.
And we were at his this property has out there
where there's all these cool cac diye, the living rock,
cack gye and okatillo everywhere, and we were on this
hill and and we started I heard the hive, and
the minute I heard it, I was like, oh shit,
but it was still like sixty feet away, and then
we started getting attacked, you know. And he's kind of
he's older. I think he's like seventy eight now or something.
But he's really old, can't walk that well. And it
was me, him and another guy and so we're trying
to like get help him come down this talus slope
while we're getting attacked by bees. They hadn't mobbed up
on us fully yet. You know, you would get one
and then they mark you and then you get another one.
But it wasn't like a massive swarm yet, but it
was enough, you know that that it sucked. And yeah,
and we still luckily we were on like a quarter
mile from the car, but you know, I got stung
like two or three times and it was, Yeah, it
was just it's awful. It's and then you're gonna, you know,
you run the risk of really hurting yourself coming down
this slope because it's all this unstable rock with nothing
to hold on to.
Speaker 2: That that's what you guys had to deal with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can't imagine that. You know, when you're
like a mile or two from any kind of cover whatsoever,
what do you do? I mean, can they sting? They
can sting through most.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, no, you can't mess around with anything like that.
You just got to keep moving to just go go go.
You got to you got to put as much space
between you and and that activity as you can straight line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and don't don't jump into water. They once
you're they go for they initially they go for the
CO two coming out of your nose and mouth. And
so if you jump into water, about ninety five percent
of people that jump into water to escape and attack
end up dying because every time you come up to breathe,
or you can try to swim, if you're even a swimmer.
I one guy in Texas that grew up on a
lake there, and he'll come for you. And he swam
underwater as far as he could, but they follow the
bubbles and he was lucky that he led. But they yeah,
we should and they so they'll do, and they will
wait around Joey for hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah you said so. When you said that they tracked
your truck ten miles, could you explain tell everybody what
happened that day?
Speaker 2: Where were you?
Speaker 1: How did this fucking happen? Was it really ten miles?
What happened?
Speaker 2: Well, the most recent was out at pickets Pricks. Oh yeah,
they were on us for a long There are for
six miles with that one. So pickets pricks. It's one
of our one of our removed we named it. DEACU
of the world was picket road and we're assholes, so
we called it pickets bricks.
Speaker 1: Is there creative with your naming? I will certainly give
you that that's a lot of alliteration.
Speaker 2: We should do more rhyming and less alliteration. Yeah, less
of literation, Oh my god. So so we we have
to use the jackhammer to get the block out from
underneath this mobile. And these these are so man, there
were Class six, absolutely nuclear, and so you know, they're
dripping venom on us. And where the truck is always
full of venom, they're dripping venom everywhere. I've seen the
air so saturated with attack pheromone that they're they're singing
birds flying overhead telephone poles and tires on trucks.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say really quick, not that digressed was,
but because in your videos you'll say like they'll and
a lot of the times you're joking. You're like, oh,
you'll see a cowsk You're like, oh, look they killed
the cow. But then it got me think, which they didn't,
you're just joking, But then it got me thinking, well, wait,
do they actually go for other animals? They must it's
hell yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah. Every week in this county they kill
a dog over sort of good.
Speaker 1: So these so there's like there's documented cases where you've
seen them kill things that are I.
Speaker 2: Watched one hive kill a one thousand pound hog at
one time. M god, yeah we got there.
Speaker 4: There was video footage of us dragging dead dogs, dead
dogs out of somebody's yards and uh and YouTube took
it down.
Speaker 2: You know they're not going to.
Speaker 4: Shoot, but yeah we dogs man dogs all the time,
killed every year.
Speaker 2: And chickens, oh my god, they kill herds of chickens
all the time down here.
Speaker 1: It's so insane. I mean, it's just so nuts that
this is like it's got to stop at some point,
Like there's got to be something to check this, you know,
whether it's verroamites or something. But but this is funny
because I'm looking at I'm looking at the face Crook page.
I call it face Crook because it steals people's time
and energy. But there's a review you guys got from Facebook.
You guys, you guys got a review from this woman.
I'm not going to mention her name. She's probably this,
I've got a thing against feral cats. She's probably the
same kind of person that because they kill all the
cool lizards and shit that I want in my yard. Whatever,
But so they're probably the same kind of caliber of person.
And she says, how could you ask someone to be
recommended when all he wants to do is kill off
the bees? You know, not a stupid And then she's
got I mean, there's whatever, you know, she's misspelled words.
No shade to her. She probably doesn't get out much.
But you know, he needs to be shut down and
never be allowed to make TikTok videos. I mean, just
you can't even take people like this seriously. But it's
crazy that. I mean, if this woman knew that these
things are killing dogs and livestock, you know, would it
change her mind? Do you think? I just wonder, like
how you'd.
Speaker 2: Be surprised, you'd be surprised. How you know that this
is part of it.
Speaker 4: It's a mind virus and we won't we don't need
to say which one. But it's a sickness. It's a
mental illness. It's like a Stockholm syndrome where it's like, oh, yeah,
we know they kill people. Pets, livestock, we we but
they pollinate, and our angle is, yeah, they're bad for
the environment. They kill with native bees for resources, the
inbreeding these people.
Speaker 1: But let's be on these people probably don't even know
what a native bee is. They don't know what that
even means. I mean, this is the problem. See, at
least with the case of a feral cat. People it's
probably it's like, oh, it's toxic pleasmos. It's probably is
they have a brain pa, that's why they're you know,
they're probably cutting up kids to feed to the feral
cats around them, you know, right, who knows? I mean,
like the declining bird populations, declining reptile populations. Like we've
got studies showing cats are you know, they're great indoor pets.
When you let them loose, they can really do damage.
Thank god people don't do that with dogs. But you know,
it's the same thing. You get these just these virulent people.
And I just can't imagine when you've got an animal
that swarms and kills people, that that someone's like leave
it alone, you know, Like, don't you know that?
Speaker 2: What I always compare it to is when people say
save the beads Okay, which ones you'll be like saying,
save the snakes, I'm gonna raise pythons and let them
go in the Everglades because they're snakes.
Speaker 1: Or save the cows. But it's that it's a cow that, like,
you know, gores people. It's like a very aggressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you know, or like the wild
hogs in Texas where you are Diesel Friday, they're too horrible.
Save the pigs. I'm going to raise pigs just because
the pigs right and let them go, or the car
any invasive species. That's why I summed it up with
an evasive species has never benefited the native environment they've invaded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would the hogs especially, I mean those things
are we trapped. We've killed like eight that are we
have a conservation property and I killed the last one
I shot. I shot it with an AR fifteen. I
shot it five times before it went down on the head.
Speaker 2: The deadly they're tough as nails there.
Speaker 1: And they breed like roaches too. They and they destroy everything.
Like we've had reductions like ninety five percent and some
of the species of cacti rare cacti that we have
on our property and other the nurse plants for them
and everything, you know, and then other animals depend on
those and now they're not there anymore because these pigs
just right.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's why, that's why I call these
Africanized honey bees, these killer bees, the most successful invasive creature.
Yet they're invasive, and they're the most successful because they
are at the level the pollinators, are at the ground
level of all food chain and they are not localized.
Your pigs are localized. There that the anacondas in the Everglades,
the lion fish in the Caribbean, the buffalo grass in
the Southwest, buffalograss doesn't grow in Wisconsin, you know, the
eels and the Mississippi, et cetera. No, these goddamn bees
are everywhere and taking over.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't seem to be going anywhere. And that's
the thing I mean, like with any invasive species, I mean,
that's the province. I think. What's weird about this case
is that these these because most invasive species, I'll say,
it's you know, this species like eucalyptus invasive in California,
but very important in Australia, and you know, other buffalo grass,
very important in Kenya where it's native, where it evolved
with large megafauna that grays on it. But you know
in Arizona and we get that down here too, in
South Texas. It's horrible. It's smothering biodiversity. But with these,
with the scoot, a lot of hybrids, with the Africanized beest,
you can't really say that because they don't occur in
nature anywhere. It's it's literally a hybrid. It was bread,
it was produced by people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're invasive to planet Earth.
Speaker 1: It's yeah. So it's it's kind of like this monster
that's been created. Not to sound too hyperbolic, but it
mind of it.
Speaker 4: But you guys, they've killed they've killed thousands of people.
But you guys get literally as a monster.
Speaker 1: You've gotten a lot of hate for this though, Like you,
you get hate online from people that just don't know
any better.
Speaker 2: We love it, We love it.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's so crazy.
Speaker 2: I used to really bother me, and now I look
for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of I'm kind of driven towards
conflict too.
Speaker 2: I get a little chubby with every comment.
Speaker 1: I've kind of driven towards kin I just you know,
my hope is that people, you know, as time goes on,
people will learn and they learn like, oh, these things
kind of suck, they're not, you know. And also we
need to cherish our native pollinators and our native insects
because those are what evolved here and have connections to
all the plants and all the other cool things that
live out here.
Speaker 4: So I think you're one hundred percent right, Joey, But
I honestly, as a realist, I don't have a lot
of confidence that people are going to get it.
Speaker 2: And I'll and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 4: Look at look at the other be videos that are
out there, you know, the other the other you know,
content creators that are doing and stuff.
Speaker 2: What comes to mind is mister and Missus b Rescue.
That's one.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like it's like fluffy videos like save the bees.
Speaker 4: Well, she they're pretty awesome, they're pretty cool, but their
realities off the chain. But it's relocation. It's all hive relocation.
And I've heard them about a lot of misinformation.
Speaker 1: You know what you could say, in our qualities nice,
I'd rather have two grizzled, gnarled bastards wearing bee suits
climbing into a fifth wheel trailer and ripping shit out.
Speaker 2: We resemble that.
Speaker 1: That's my style. I don't want that wholesome Hallmark shit.
I want you guys. I want people who are going
to be fucking cursing people I can relate to.
Speaker 2: You know, well, this is real life. We ain't acting.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: People ask us, my god, your content's so amazing? How
do you do it? So turn the camera and I'll
start swearing at bees.
Speaker 1: Well wait, wait, so this is it's the same thing
I do with plants, so except I'm really excited. But
so what do you guys when you guys got chased?
Can you can you break that down for how that happen?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So we're in so and this has happened
more than once where I mean, it happens all the time.
Actually maybe not for six miles or ten miles, but
you know a mile or something that happens all the time.
So there's so much pheromone. We're we're soaking pheromone. And
the bees. We have seen hives that will remnant bees.
So we talk about remnant bees all the time. Which
are the bees left over from any removal? Now it's
like hurting cats you're not going to get all of them.
And you know, and I hide, and all of these
Africanized bees has one hundred thousands of goddamn things in it.
And so you know you've got you kill off eighty
percent of them. Great, you're still have twenty thousand bees
mad in the air looking for a fight. And so
we've seen them stay mad for up to two weeks
and I'm talking bouncing off the windshield mad days later. Well,
there we go. We're and I tell this to all
of our customers. They say, my god, they're so vicious
out there. How long am I going to have to
wait inside my house? And of course I always jokingly
say only two to three months. No, I'm just okay,
I'm fucking with them anyway. I tell them we are
the enemy. We smell like the enemy. Our suits are
saturated with attack pheromone. Maybe we've been stung, so we're
it's in our bloodstream, and they drip venom all over
the truck and everything. When we leave within twenty minutes
to an hour, it's gonna calm down a lot because
that attack pheromone is going to be gone. These bees
turn into white blood cells when the attack Pheromone is released.
And so once that attack, Pheromone is blown away by
the wind and we're we're no longer there. They're gonna
calm down a lot. Well, there's always a shitload of
them that will chase our trunck down. You know, a
lot of our roads are ten, five, ten, and fifteen
mile an hour roads because it's all dirt out here.
It's all the wild West, and it's all washboard and
it's painting the ass. So if we're on a highway
then we can pretty much outrun. But fifteen miles an
hour to none for them. So we will leave and
many customers will say, yeah, there was a cloud of
bees chasing your truck when you left.
Speaker 1: God damn, that's crazy. Man, that's good. So where do
they do when they finally give up and disperse, because
they need a queen to form a new high So
the remnant.
Speaker 2: Bee and a good, really good point to bring up,
because remnant bees people, Oh my god, people get it
on our asses. Oh you're just letting them all go
so they can go start another high of the mirrorhad
Oh my god. Oh the big emergency is do anyway? Fuck,
it's just job security. So anyway, we see a hive
as an organism much like ourselves, with each bee being
a cell and the queen being the heart in the brain.
And so we always tell people that any of the
remnant bees that are left over, I mean, we never
see a queen bee. We don't give a shit. He
is just like your heart. And if your heart is
outside of your body, without your body, it cannot start
another body, it cannot live. So the same thing with
the queen bees. So we always tell people the remnant
bees are like an amputated limb. If your finger gets
locked off, you're gonna be fine. Your finger's not right,
So the analogy runs through. Most people do not realize
that every hive is an enemy of every other hive.
The only reason they visit each other is to steal honey.
Speaker 1: Oh, so they're all fighting with each other too.
Speaker 2: Exactly fact. In fact, they will take over. They're very
keen to take over other hives. They're vikings. They're total
vikings and hoarders.
Speaker 1: With to queen. They can't start a new hive, right so,
but some of them larva, No.
Speaker 2: They can't, so it will be same analogy. If your
fingers lopped off, all right, And so you know, you've
got eighty percent of your If your hand is lopped
off or your arm, you're gonna be fine. Your arm,
won't you still have? Your arm is twenty percent of
your body. Well, if twenty percent of the bees are
left over after a removal, they can't go start a
new hive unless there's larva of the body.
Speaker 1: Right, unless there's larva in one of them hatches, and
then it's a queen.
Speaker 2: Well, but that's not going to happen without the hive.
We destroyed their trailer poper all right, Yeah, you take
them out there? Yeah, we take all them is where
the larva would be, Yeah, exactly, they don't carrying with them,
you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also there's more on top of that of course.
To finish up that thought though, can those remnant bees
go join another hive? Your finger, if it's lopped off,
cannot go join another human. I don't care how much
stuck type you use. Yeah, okay, so they will die
off over the coming days. Now. People always ask if
a queen, if you go into a hive and kill
a queen, just the queen, will that hive die? Yes,
it will unless she has laid a fertilized egg. So
this is fascinating shoes, just like sci fi. There are
three types of bees in the hive. There's the queen,
the worker bees, and the drones. Now the drones are
the males, and they you never see one. They're big
fat couch potatoes. They can't even feed themselves. They go
from hide to hive. They're the only bees that can
visit other hives. They'll walk in, get fed, and go
out and they can't even sting. Their rear ms are
only good for one thing. That's the mating life of bees.
That's a whole other program. All't do later. So the
worker bees are the ones that they call them that
for a reason. They're the ones that do all the work.
They go collect the nectar, they defend the hive, they
do everything. And these are female, well they're undeveloped females.
They're like repubescent, angry teens. Okay, all right, So the
worker bees can lay eggs, but they can only lay
unfertilized eggs. So you'd think, well, so what why what's
an unfertilized egg?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, chicken lay's a nonfertilized egg. You
got an omelet. You ain't got a chicken, right, Well, No,
males are born from unfertilized eggs. Drones are born from
unfertilized eggs. So the queen bee is the only one
that is able to lay either or fertilized or unfertilized.
So if she lays unfertilized eggs, males are born. This
is at her discretion. If she lays fertilized eggs, females
are born. And the only difference between a worker bee
and a queen bee is what they're fed during pewpation.
Oh wow, Okay, So a worker bee and a queen
bee are fed royal jelly for their first week of pepation,
and the queen bee is fed royal jelly throughout the
rest of her pubation about three weeks something like that,
and the worker bees are switched from royal jelly to honey.
It stems the growth.
Speaker 1: So worker bees could any of those could technically turn
into a queen.
Speaker 2: No, because they have not been fed royal jelly throughout
their pupation.
Speaker 4: So you know those queens, they show up inside special
cells too, because she's bigger. She's bigger, right, so you
just can't. It doesn't work everywhere. You got to have
that queen cell in place. You got to have that larvae,
and it's got to be consistently fed that royal jelly.
Speaker 2: Pre planned is what it is.
Speaker 1: Okay. So if you get the hive and you get
the queen, it's over for them. They might survive for
a little while.
Speaker 2: We get the hive and we knocked down, you know,
eighty percent of them, ninety percent of them. Even if
there's a queen life, that doesn't make any difference because
she cannot continue you on without the rest of the body.
So it goes back to that analogy of she is
the heart and soul of the matter. If your heart
is removed, okay, if you're if you get into a
bad accident and all this left is your heart and
your arm, it can't start a new body.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, okay, okay, So what so like with what
was it the plead the fifth video? This is an
old trailer and did you guys get called back to that?
What happened with this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I would plead the fifth again? And so
this is why we guarantee our work for two years.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you kill a hive and it comes back
to the same spot within two years. You'll go back
there for free.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, well, no, dead things can't come back.
Speaker 4: It's a different dog, it's a it's a reinfestation.
Speaker 1: Oh, from a different column of a different colony.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know that situation was such that it was
real convoluted. We couldn't get all the honeycomb out on
first pass. There were a few things going on, and
so it was basically and we didn't spray the automotive
undercoating in there because it was a housing for a Wait,
let's set.
Speaker 2: It up for people.
Speaker 1: Let's set it up. Let's set it up for listeners.
Full description. It's like a breaking bad style trailer out
in the middle of the desert.
Speaker 2: And you guys got who called you wastines? With the
way those bees were moving, I'd say there was.
Speaker 1: I've been the Arizona, I know what it's like that.
So what was what was who called you?
Speaker 2: It was the owner or it's always the owner that
calls us, whether it's the BLM or the Feds of
the state, or the rancher or whoever. So this guy
had this fifth wheel that he was going to gut
and turn into a I don't know, storage thing or
whatever the hell it was. And he didn't get around
to it, of course, and so these bees moved in
through the It was an old pos fifth wheel trailer,
and the bees moved in where the electrical cord would
go in. You know, you pull out the electrical cord
plug in your shore power or whatever. So the bees
moved into the hole and in where the inverter is
below the refrigerator. They built a massive hive and they
had shown aggression, but not like when we showed up.
And for some reason they just the The owner sat
in his vehicle and all of a sudden, the bees
just decided they didn't like anything. We never know about
the timing of all. This didn't have anything to do
with us, but they completely lit up the ocean. I
had to drive I think it was like two miles
away to get our suits on him. Oh so you didn't.
Speaker 1: You didn't roll up with your suits on. You were
just drolling up to check it out at first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're going to drive up and get our
suits on and start the cameras and have a nice
little video and a little chat with it. All of
a sudden, they're like.
Speaker 4: Whether the owner backed his car in in front of
their front door of the flight path, and so he
was in their flight path and they were already pissy
and then and then he got out and then they
chased him off.
Speaker 2: He just based on him. Yeah, they stung me. And
we had to drive down the road to put our
suits on.
Speaker 4: So that's a frequent theme where where we put the
suits on before arriving at the scene and also have
to drive off after quite a way is sometimes up
to ten miles away, or just wear the suit all.
Speaker 2: The way home, you know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, then then we'll get out, we take the
suit off. But I can't tell you how many times
we pull away from a hive, get out, try to
take the suit off, and we get attacked again.
Speaker 2: I got to get back in.
Speaker 4: We'll go a little farther down the road, get out there.
We're getting attacked again. We're not out of the range yet.
Speaker 1: The common if this is just I just I like
to think about masochistic thoughts sometimes sometimes I'll think about
if I, you know, when I get sent the hell,
what would it look like? You know, they'll be crape
myrtles everywhere and.
Speaker 2: We put them there.
Speaker 1: Pat Poker in the ass, Michael Bolton playing on the
loud speaker.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, yeah nice right right, nice lawns everywhere horrible you know,
just CEV as well well Fargo landscape.
Speaker 4: No hell.
Speaker 1: But so this is so I got a masochistic mind.
If you had a choice between getting tagged by a
Western diamondback, but you can go to you're only twenty
minutes from the hospital, versus getting attacked by bees and
you're like twenty minutes from the trailhead, what would you
you got to pick one of them? What would you pick?
Speaker 2: Pineapple up the ash?
Speaker 1: No, seriously, you think it's closed.
Speaker 2: I think i'd take the bees. But that's the devil,
I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And like I know, i'd know how to deal with
the situation. Yeah, run run like fuck yeah, that's right,
run fuck away, Diamondback. You know, we encounter them. You
might have seen some videos where we come across them.
We don't ever. We tried to never kill them unless
they're coming at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no need there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's no need. No, there's no need at all.
Although I do have I got to tell you this, Joy,
I have a great sipping for diamondback chili. Oh oh
you know what the secret is that more chicken? Got?
Speaker 1: Yeah, got you know. I remember I went to Arizona
once with my mom when I was like seven, and
it was like, hey, you could eat you could eat
real rattlesteak, grilled rattlesteak, like some tourist thing. We went
and did that. But the diamond but yeah, I mean,
I just I know their their bite sucks and you're
gonna have nerve pain for a while, but they're not aggressive.
I mean I just saw them with my daughter like
two days ago, fucking massive five footer and just she
was super chill. She did she didn't. I think she
thought she was more camouflaged than she was and probably
thought we didn't see her, but we saw her. And anyway,
but the bees, I mean, I guess the difference is
the aggressiveness with the bees. And what tipping point do
you start to worry about even if someone's not allergic,
do you start to worry about like this person may
not live? Like how many?
Speaker 2: The great mystery? You know, we talk about this a lot,
and people I always say to like me, I've been
stung thousands of times, just not all at once, and
they say, oh, you must be immune. Well, you know,
the analogy that I use is most people are not
allergic to strawberries, but then they'll turn twenty eight or
forty two and eat a strawberry and all of a
sudden they're in the er. What the hell happened? With
anaphylectic shot. And then there's that rare person that is
allergic to strawberries from birth, very highly allergic, and they
turn thirty two or fifty eight and accidentally eat a
strawberry and everything's fine. What the hell happened? We don't know.
You don't know. If you go get and go to
the doctor and get the scratch test for allergies, they
will tell you, okay, you are not allergic to this
right now. Yeah, you know, you don't know when that
next uh, you know, a piece of bread you eat,
you're gonna have gluten intolerance. You don't know. You don't
know what's gonna happen in the next second. So that's
always a great mystery, and why we always take benadrula
if we've gotten stung, because it might be our last sting.
Speaker 4: But it's true, it's true at any point that the
sands could run out. You know. There was a guy
that worked for Reid for many years, alongside him for
many years, and uh, and he's a he's a good friend,
but he you know, he got stung. I mean it
comes with the job. You're gonna get stung, right, That's
just part of it. So he you know, he went
for years getting taken stings here and there, doing the work,
taking stings here and there, and then one day he
got stung.
Speaker 2: And he went a day in a plaxis. Yeah, and
so I I called the ambulance and he was he
was turning blue. Man. I've known this guy forever. He
used to fly, uh, you know, a puddle Jumpers air
taxi in Alaska. I mean, the guy's a tough son,
aim bitch. And so he's he's like, I don't feel well.
And so the ambulance got there and uh and they
said you have an EPIP and I said, oh, fucky,
I got one in the trucks. I grabbed it and
he's on the gurney and I jabbed him in the
thigh and he didn't have a lot of meat on him,
and I hit the bone Joey, I hit his femur
and he was. I think it saved his life because
he sat up and went, I'm not going to kill you.
It woke his ass right up. The adrenaline was there. Joey. Afterwards,
the EMTs and we were all laughing because they were like,
you saved his life. I pulled that damn needle out.
It bent the needle in his femur.
Speaker 1: Ah Jesus Christ, Well, this is this is autoimmune. I
mean that's you know, anathletic shops honestly, like an allergic reaction.
It's autoimmune. But I mean the venom itself, whether you're
allergic or not, is still it's still a toxic. It's
still a toxic, and I don't know much about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, five hundred stings is a rattlesnake bite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's and you've got a hundred thousand of them in
a high and they all want to fuck you.
Speaker 1: So five hundreds Yeah, Like five hundred stings is a
good threshold where you're now you're studying the worry. Even
if someone's not allergic. That okay, this is we need
to get into the mark.
Speaker 4: But you know what, there's been people they get stung
forty times and die or once you know. Yeah, So
it's really case dependent. It's person a person, and it's
person to person day to day. It's a it's a
moving target.
Speaker 2: So we don't know, we don't know. You know that
I've taken with with these bees in pretty much all
aspects of them that people want me to, you know,
tell them how they're going to behave, what makes sense
about them. But the only thing that I can be
absolutely sure of is that I'm unsure. And the only
thing that I can predict the certainty is that it's unpredictable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking at I just looked it up.
It says key components of b venom melatin. This is
the main pain causing agent. It destroys red blood cells
and mass cells, triggering inflammation. That's not surprising. It's also
the component that can cause long term tissue damage in
high doses. Jesus, it is like fucking rattlesnake venom at
a certain point. Phosphola pase a two. This is the
primary allergy and a major reason beastings can be lethal.
It works in concert with melatin to break down cell membranes.
That doesn't sound good.
Speaker 2: It's also the it's interesting.
Speaker 4: What's interesting about it though, is that in low doses,
if you're not allergic, low doses, it's really healthy. In fact,
for a long time. And I don't know if this
stat still holds true, but it was beekeepers in the
Caucasus Mountains that had the longest life span measurable life
span amongst humans on Earth. They just they were The
number of centenarians that were coming out of that population
was was really really high. So occasional b venom there's
a component called appenin in the like apist, you know,
but appenin in the b venom that is a neurotoxin,
but in small doses can do things like reverse sparkins
in's and and you know, cure arthritis and MS and
all of this kind of stuff. So you know, more,
more research has to be done. Yeah, because it's potentially medicine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I'm sure it's like anything. It's a
you know, it's a fine line between medicine and poison.
But that I didn't know that it was high doses
like that. I mean, yeah, it just it starts breaking
down cell membranes. That's fucked up. Yeah, you know, so
what is that what do you think is the most
the gnarliest, the gnarliest call you've ever gone to? Where
these things were they had killed other animals maybe, or
they were just there was so many of them, or
what I mean, is there one that stands out?
Speaker 2: Oh, that incident at the Alfredo High School wasn't very good.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear about this.
Speaker 2: You know, So we were it was last last summer
and it is the worst thing the incident to this
day in the world. With Coaches County, we love to
set records and keep them, you know what I mean.
So anyway, we're we were over in No Gallas rescuing
Homeland Security customers and bordered camera powers. We were up
on them, and we get a call from a sheriff's
deputy over here. And No Gallas is about two hours
away in another county, Santa Cruz County, And so we
get a call from a deputy and he says, when
can you get over to the Alfrida High School. Alfrida
is a small rural town out here. We're a pretty
good sized high school because they draw kids, farm kids
and rants kids from all over the county and over
that part of the county. Anyway, So I said, what
the hell is going on? He said, I have twenty
one students attacked and stung right now, with a little
girl in the hospital. Jeez, man, and I said, I said,
Jesus man, we're it's going to take us four hours.
We got to get down off these camera towers and
get these guys wrapped up for Homeland Security and the FAA,
and then we'll head over there. He said, of course,
you know, like like they always ask us, any any
first responders, what do we do? How do we you know?
I said, you got to shut that school down, put
up caution tape, and don't get stung yourself, and administer
for a state of course, close that school down primarily,
and block off the street and all that good ship
and stay if you can. He said, I'll stay unless
I get a call. Of course, he's a first responder,
he's on call like we are. So we get over
there and the bees are absolutely nuts. I mean, they're
just nobody's around. Of course, the principal and some teachers
were huddled in the office hiding, and we get there
and we had we had to go put our suits
on ways away and get on that one. But the
bees are completely nuts. And we proceeded that we didn't
even know where the hide was. We had to locate them.
They were in a tree. We knew that out in
front of the school. Well, it turned out that they
were in a hole, coming and going out of about
a two inch diameter hole about fifteen feet up in
this tree. And it turns out, after a lot of questioning,
but the reason they lit up was some of the
little boys were throwing rocks at them. So as we do,
there's not enough chlorine in the gene pool.
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, that throwing rocks at a beehive.
When you're a kid, it's in the manual.
Speaker 2: You think you can get away. You know, you don't
have to do it. It's in the manual, but you
don't have to do it.
Speaker 1: You think you can get away. I mean, kids do
incredibly stupid shit. That's just part of being a kid.
But certainly, you know, yeah, there's yeah, you got to
teach your kids not to stick forks in electric sockets.
Speaker 2: But here's the dilemma.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, Uh, Chris Pratt came out with a
video a while ago he got he got fucked up
by bees, and he actually came out and publicly blamed
a girl in Texas who for a long time really
had quite a reputation online. She was even on Joe
Rogan and stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh I know her, Yeah I can't. It's another day,
you know what, it is, another day of saving the bees.
Speaker 4: But Chris Pratt, they he got all stung up and
he came out publicly and said she is disingenuous and
she is hurting people with this information.
Speaker 2: Now she's not the only one.
Speaker 4: There's this this be relocation bullshit all over social media
all over the place. We don't we don't get the
kind of numbers they get, you know, we don't get
the kind of numbers they get. That. This is why
I said, it's a problem. So people are watching this
ship and that, like I said, millions of followers. They're
doing way better than well.
Speaker 1: It's a nice it's a nice, feel good, wholesomer story
that doesn't involve killing anything. And it feels good to watch.
And I know, and there's no bad language. There's no
bad language, there's no bad.
Speaker 2: But it's deadly. It's dangerous.
Speaker 4: This kind of thing, right, it lulls people into this
bizarre these bizarre ideas about honey bees and and consistently,
I promise you these people are not posting aggressive hives.
Speaker 2: And there's other carny stuff.
Speaker 1: I'd love to show him some of the few hives
I've had them as fortune to encounter. Or my friend
Kyle who was out looking for fucking milk snakes in
South Texas and got attacked. Or my friend Ken King,
well known botanists down here, who got attacked and thought
he was going to die. He just laid down at
one point and gave He's like, they're not I can't
get away, and I forget what happened. I think he
had he had prior exposure from working some line of
work he did that put him in uh, and he
got stung a bunch before, and so he had like
prior his immune system didn't overreact. But uh, but he
thought he told me, I mean, he's like, I thought
that was it. I thought, I thought this is lights
out because this is it was just so intense and
he wasn't able to get away. And so but he survived.
Speaker 2: And we hear that daily. Yeah, we hear that daily
now and people call us, of course, but also you
know comments, We get hundreds of comments I mean, we're
we're some of the few content creators that actually answer comments.
I spend a couple of hours. I'm up at four
every morning, and you know, get the ranch shores done,
and I'll spend a couple of hours answering comments. We
hired a local gall in town to help answering comments,
beild the same goddamn comments over and over. You know,
why don't you smoke? Why don't you do it at night?
Don't come here and relocating smoke? What is so?
Speaker 1: What do you recommend if someone I mean, obviously, if
someone's in southern ariazont I can call you. But if
if someone you know, hundred miles away from you, guys,
you guys can't make it out there, what do you
recommend they do? Because some of these guys charge a
ship ton of money and they're not going to be
They're going to try to relocate it or they're going
to you don't know what they're going to do, right,
So it's a tough one.
Speaker 2: It really is a tough one because there is no
The only thing we can tell people is this is
not a DIY situation. Uh, you got to you got
to have a pro out. But the problem is in
the rest of the country that that pro is most
likely a beekeeper. Now, this happened up in Scottsdale this
summer where there were hot There was a hive up
in a stucco building on a senior center, an assisted
living center, and they wanted to remove the hive, and
so the beekeeper, to make it easier for himself, sent
up a crew of three guys to remove the stucco
to expose the hive so he could remove them. Well,
that costs one man is life.
Speaker 4: God, This guy, Nick Soto, Nicholas Soto was his name,
That was in Scottsdale just a couple of months ago.
Speaker 2: Very sad. Wait he called.
Speaker 1: Did he tell where they wearing? They weren't wearing bee suits?
He told these guys to remove the stucco and just no,
and they.
Speaker 2: Were stuck in a lift. So he's stuck in a lift.
Speaker 1: And did he get charged with manslaughter or anything or what?
Speaker 2: We don't know yet. We don't know yet.
Speaker 1: That's terrible. That is so fucked man, God.
Speaker 2: Winnie the pool glasses man, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did he tell them that it wasn't? I mean, how
did you how do you convince someone to do that? Though,
that's what I wonder, like, did he have to?
Speaker 4: But again, remember they're just honey bees and all this
trash floating around the internet about relocation and aren't they sweet?
And it was another day of saving the bees that
that ship's dangerous.
Speaker 1: She really does end her videos like that, She said,
another day of saving the bees. Just so grating.
Speaker 2: Man. It's like, it's pretty nay to say something different.
Speaker 1: Say something different for you don't have to say it's
another day of saving the bees. Stop saying saying that,
Say something else. That's her brand, saving the.
Speaker 2: Bees, you know, the entire there's a women's beekeeping Association
of Texas and they all ganged up on her because
of the disinformation that she's putting out and they put
out videos and all that, and of course they don't
have the cloud that she has as far as they're
not getting on Rogan, let's put it that way. And
they came out against her what she's doing because of
the danger the people that you know, she's putting people
in danger, is what it is. So the problem with
there's two types of beekeepers. There are the big boys,
the professionals they are. Did you know that the honeybees
are classified as livestock in the United States. They're classified
as livestock because that's what they are. They're invasive species,
and they're classified as livestock. Now, if you've got the
only thing that they're good for is big agriculture and monocropping.
If you've got a thousand acres of almonds, you need
honeybees for pollination. They're vikings and hoarders and they go
in and focus on one type of neck or they
don't have any relationship with that flower, and they're gonna
get enough pollination done so you get a crop. All right,
all right, So these bees, the big boys, they know
what they're doing. They're the professionals. They raise them. They're
like livestock razors. They're like horse people. They're like people
that breed exotic cats or dogs. They know what they're doing.
They breed their own queens. They are the ones that
haul them across the country for pollination. Let's leave it
to them. You know what the real problem is is
the backyard beekeeper, because they think they know what they're doing.
And that's what happened to this guy that lost his
life in Scottsdale. The beekeeper who thought he knew what
he was doing, sent them up there to remove the
stucco from that wall, so to expose the hive so
that he could go relocate the bees, and the hive.
He sent that man to his death.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing is, if you're just a
backyard beekeeper, how do you prevent it from being infested
with the scoot al outa hybrid stop?
Speaker 2: Yeah you can't.
Speaker 4: Well you got to requeen. You gotta be real diligent
about re cleaning. But that only solves one particular problem,
if in fact, it solves it. So so you know,
when's she gonna when's she gonna go on her mating flight?
Are you going to put a swarm excluder on the
high of Like there's there's there's a lot to that.
But that said, let's pretend that that's a remedy. And
I do know people who are re cleening in this area. However,
it's risky. What you're gonna do is, theoretically you're going
to prevent that queen from from getting that African DNA
in her and spreading it, you know, through the high
the africanized DNA. So that works, but what you're never
going to prevent and we saw it here in the gulch.
There's a great video from about three or four years.
Speaker 2: Ago World War Bee. We called it if it's pinned,
it's pinned on TikTok. But you've got a third generation
bee keeper who keeping bees. One hive and her hive.
She didn't know it.
Speaker 4: Her hive got invaded by Africanized honey bees. They killed
all her bees and they moved in.
Speaker 2: It took a month.
Speaker 4: It took her a month to figure out something was wrong,
and by the time she did, it was too late,
because you know, they look identical.
Speaker 1: They were everywhere then, and it was a really aggressive hive.
Speaker 4: That hive blew up. She went to adjust something on
the box. The hive blew up, and it was putting
people in the hospital all up and down the gulf.
Speaker 2: They were attacking seven hundred and fifty yard radius. When
we got there, there were let's see, what was thirteen
people stung in two in the hospital. And when we
showed up about this is about four about four hundred
yards from that one hive, which was out her back door,
about four hundred yards away down in the gulch, a
cop is running the other way and He just looked
at me and said, could you get rid of these
goddamn bees please? He had no suiting, running for his silks,
you know. And so we go up there, and what
really is interesting is what she said. Wow, now she
had a suit, and of course we had our suits.
We were all dolled up. But we're walking up to
kill her hive and and mitigate the threat. And what
did she say to you? Oh, she told me that
Reid was a fear monger. Wild bees. Wild bees.
Speaker 4: Now these people, you know, this is old water down here.
You know, these people have known each other for years
and years and years, you know. So yeah, yeah, she
had the nerve to say.
Speaker 2: That to me.
Speaker 4: He's he's a fear monger. Now it's crazy, wile, that's
what we're talking about. This is while her fucking bees
are putting people in the hospital. He's a fear monger.
We unbelievable. So what is I'll give you one worse.
The story continues. Two years later, a friend of ours
had a friend who was house sitting for her, and
he commented to our friend how much he was joined
sitting out by the bee box. She never told him
that they had.
Speaker 2: Blown up.
Speaker 4: Do you understand what I'm saying there is two years later,
she's got somebody house sitting for her, and he's sitting
out there by this bee box and just loving the bees.
Speaker 1: At no point, at no point did she say, hey,
watch out.
Speaker 2: They you know, disclose anything to him.
Speaker 1: So they but at this point they had gone back
to being mostly the European hybrid.
Speaker 2: They were they were dead. We killed that hive, and
she simply got another hive.
Speaker 1: Oh not without warning the guy that it could also
happen again, that it could.
Speaker 2: Best of the neighborhood. There were people within thirty feet
in every direction.
Speaker 1: So it really is a taking time. You can be
you could be keeping a hive, it can get overtaken
by the Scutolata hybrid and it'll get Africanized without you
even knowing it. And then suddenly you're just getting attacked, exactly.
Speaker 2: And it happens daily down at least down here, and
definitely in the desert southwest. And you know, this is
why I say the two types of beekeepers, the big boys.
Leave it to them, they're the professionals. Let them do
their breeding, let them do their pollination. Honey Bees in
the Americas are only good for big agriculture and monocropping
and the small beekeeper. That's what we don't need. You
cannot they're invasive because you can't. It's you can't keep
them in your backyard.
Speaker 1: They're hard, they're hard to contain, especially now it's I mean, yeah,
it's not just like backyard chickens, you know, it's like
your little cottage core thing going on. Let me keep these,
you know. The thing is the thing though, that that
because you had said, you know, they're necessary for polina,
and I'm kind of curious, like, but are they? I mean,
what if for like.
Speaker 2: Native only big agriculture.
Speaker 1: Couldn't native bees be used just by planting the habitat
like strips of native plant habitat in between some of
the big egg fields.
Speaker 2: Okay, the native bee thing for food pollination only work
because people lived in the Americas for tens of thousands
of years without honeybees. Right, yeah, all right, native pollinators
only work if everyone has a backyard garden.
Speaker 1: You've got to have a lot of biodiversity and you've
got the habitat the native plants. Yeah, you've got you
keep the native plants around that they need, you know,
because they don't.
Speaker 2: Do the high standardize. You go into any whole foods
in the country and they're going to have the same
damn strawberries and blueberries as everybody else because of monocropping.
Speaker 1: Right, But that's something and this is kind of related
we're talking about. But you know that that could be
a way for for the future if the honeybee thing
becomes too much of a cluster fuck. Is just you know, Yeah,
you can have native pollinators pony stuff. You just have
to keep strips of land available for them. You know,
you have to keep in between the field I keep. Yeah,
I mean that's good.
Speaker 4: Given their particular needs. I'm not sure that to keep
up I think you know. Here's here's the thing too, though,
the the importance of honey bees is often overstated.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 4: So there's this business of every three bites of your
food comes from honey bees, right, and give thanks and worship,
lie down and worship the provider.
Speaker 2: Okay, but in addition, okay, but see, here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Conservative estimates seven percent yield increase on crops, seven percent
yielding norain.
Speaker 2: No grain is pollinated, right honey.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, grasses are all wind polinated. Yeah, totally yep,
none of it.
Speaker 2: Most nuts are not only almonds, pecans and pistachios.
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, and grains are like the major food crop,
that's the major.
Speaker 2: That's what people are mostly eating. Yeah. Alfalfa is not
pollinated by honey bees unless you're letting it go to seed.
But they raise alfalfa out here in ranch country for
animal feed for you know, to feed the cows and horses.
None of that. It needs to be pollinated unless you're
letting it go to seed for a seed crop.
Speaker 4: So we're non essential crops that are being pollinated by.
Speaker 1: Where does all this yeah, where does all this bullshit
about the honeybees, you know, are saving humanity? Where's all
this come from?
Speaker 2: Lobby lobbies, lobbies, lobbyists, big money. That's a it's a
billion dollar industry, billion dollar industry.
Speaker 1: I mean because I like honey too, but I could
do without it, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2: I really exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean without it, We're not getting rid of them.
Speaker 2: They're not going away.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: People ask us, especially with the Africanized honeybee, if this
is a war we can ever win. No, it's not.
We'll never win this war. But we have to win
every battle because this is a job that Hosh and
I can fail at once, because then we're dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about verroamites? Do those are those?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: They don't care. I used to when I used to
have hives up here by the tunnel, and my hives
became Africanized, and I couldn't go down and drink a
bottle of wine with them anymore without a suit. I
had to suit up just to go within one hundred
yards of them. I used to go out and watch
my Africanized bees pick mites off of each other and
take the mites out and drop them in the field.
Speaker 1: These greasy what the fuck?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: No shit, No, these bees were bred for two primary reasons.
They were. The South African honey bee was known to
be an excellent producer of honey and very disease resistant.
So European honeybees and jungle conditions in Brazil were sickly.
They are anyway. European honey bees are sickly. You got
to read bedtime stories to them and all that shit,
and so they're very sickly. And they don't produce a
lot of honey in jungle conditions. So they cross bread
them and they got what they wanted. They got a
very highly productive, insanely diseased resistant honeybee. But they didn't
know they were going to get franken b Yeah.
Speaker 1: The aggressiveness, the aggressiveness, and.
Speaker 2: It's gotten worse. It's gotten worse over the years. Every
year now we have to up our game every job
that we go into. We have no idea how much
more their aggression level is. They have increased their numbers
of swarms, so they put out So swarming is nature's
way of propagating the area with bees. You've got a
hive of one hundred thousand bees, ten percent of them
take off, go find a new place to live. You
still have your old hive. European hives would do that
five or six times a year. Left of their own
device is africanized thirty times a year per hive. I
used to watch my hives swarm once a week.
Speaker 1: They spread that quickly. They'll sun thirty. It's like sending
thirty offsets out everything.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's correct. Yeah, they're just throwing shit at
the wall to see what sticks. And I really they're
going they're moving north. They're north. There north.
Speaker 4: It's only a matter of time before the North is
saturated just a matter of time.
Speaker 2: This isn't you they're a better bee, They're a better bee. Yeah,
they're just better. They're better ye honeybees.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wherever European honeybees can thrive or can survive, these
bees thrive.
Speaker 1: So basically we're I mean, is there going to be
a point that which the European ecotype of domestic beekeeping
is not really available anymore? You think? Is that possible?
Speaker 4: I mean, if the system crashes, you know, I mean
up until then though, they're just raising their own queens
and taking care of anything, you.
Speaker 2: Know, but left. Let's put it this way.
Speaker 4: You know, like if civilization, for whatever reason, dries up
in the Western hemisphere, these bees are going to take
over everything.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they would everything, everything would be.
Speaker 4: And in a thousand years, in a thousand years, these
bees will be here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's just natural selection. They're just the
best at its surviving ecologically the most ecologically successful.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah they are. They're man made, they're created,
they don't belong on the planet, and yet they're the
most successful. You know, there's a lot of man made
stuff that's going to stick around for a long time. Yeah.
You know plastic, the.
Speaker 1: Layer of microplastic that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're talking about my sense of humor. That's
going to stick around for decades.
Speaker 1: Well before okay, so before we dip out that, I
want to ask, so, how did how did you guys
both get started in all of this?
Speaker 2: Well, personally, I used to drink heavy okay, no anyway, No, actually, Joey,
I'm a home brewer. I'm a need okay or honeywine.
I have bottles of mead that I made thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: So the booze is the booze. How you got into
keeping bees.
Speaker 2: That's how I got into everything. Come on, you know
I'm from North Oh.
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, oh, I know you guys up there.
Holy shit. I wrote in the Milwaukee once. I took
a freight train the Milwaukee once. Yeah, I wrote. I
wrote a freight train in the Milwaukee once. And it
was Octoberfest. The whole fucking town was inebriated. There were people,
there were cars pulling over just south of downtown so
people could puke on this, you know, into the gutters.
Speaker 2: It was when you said, when you said the whole
time was inebriated. My first thought was, how could you tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, this was more so
than usual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ice fishing is real.
Speaker 1: But so okay, so you so you got into that's
so that the meat is what guy you into being.
Speaker 2: I thought it would be all romantic back in the
I was a young buck and I came to Bisbee
in eighty one and and I, you know, made friends
with a lot of folks quick. Bisbee was the wild West,
even more so back then because the minds had just
closed and I was just a bunch of outlaws, and
it was it was so much fun, Oh my god. Pleasant. Yeah, well, yeah, okay,
from what I remember, I had a great time. The
officer said, I had a blast.
Speaker 1: From what I remember. That's okay, that's nice. I like
how the story is progressing, keep going.
Speaker 2: It's all true, brother, it's all true. So I thought,
wouldn't it be romantic? Bad my own bees, got my
own honeymake my own meat, never leave the house, blah
blah blah. And so I got a gunny sack full
of bees from a person, and in a be suit
and two boxes. And it started there. And so then
I was just a young buck, and the older ranchers
out here, they all had honey bees, and everybody did.
And they someone were getting older or whatnot, they call
and they'd say, yeah, I gotta swarm here if you
want it. And then so I started that in about
eighty eight and ninety three was when the Africanized came
across the line, and all of a sudden, all the
ranchers are calling me up and going, I, what the fuck.
I can't get near my bee boxes. These bees are nuts.
What the hell happened? And I'd explain the crossbreeding. Or
they would say those bees been in that shed for
sixty years and now they're stinging the horses and cows
and me, what the hell's going on? And I'd explain
the crossbreeding and they'd say, well, come out and get
the damn things right. And so I segued into the
removable aspect of it, because I'd go out and tear
off a wall and There'll be five hundred pounds of
comb in there.
Speaker 1: How long had you been keeping bees before you noticed
the aggressiveness start?
Speaker 2: Six years?
Speaker 1: So six years or the aggressive hybrid started floating to
the top, and that's and soon you watch, So you
watched this infestation basically happen.
Speaker 2: At the beginning. I used to watch and you couldn't
tell by looking. It was a mystery. We used to
send at the request of the Department of Agriculture in Tucson, Arizona.
We used to send samples. Everybody who had anything to
do with these send samples. They sent us a little
jars and shit, and it was like twenty or thirty
bees from each some warm or high, so thousands and
thousands samples to them for testing a percentage of africanization.
Because everybody was like, what the fuck is going on?
And in five years from ninety three to ninety eight
and nineteen ninety eight, they called up all of us
and said, don't send anymore. We're throwing them away. They're
all Africanized. Yeah, just assume it.
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember late nineties was when you started
singing popular culture and it was like a fucking made
for TV movie about it, and it became this thing
and the news really hyped it up. But now it
seems like maybe it wasn't that much hype.
Speaker 2: I mean, no, it wouldn't you know, there wouldn't hype.
In fact, there was an understatement of anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I mean.
Speaker 2: I used to watch I used to watch clouds of
my bees chase cars down Highway eighty unprovoked.
Speaker 1: So fucked it's so I mean, I'm laughing, but it's
just it's just, you know, it's it's so crazy and
uh and I mean it's it is. It's just it's
like something out of a fucking Simpsons cartoon.
Speaker 2: Man. Oh no, it's so far out in left field
it is.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 2: I always obviously totally love what I do. Can't imagine
doing anything else. I'll be sixty seven in January. I
feel better than I did when I was in my forties,
and you know it. But it's like being a paid
juvenile delinquent.
Speaker 1: So you've been how long have you been doing professional
be removals for now.
Speaker 2: Since about ninety Since then?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So that's when you really got into it
and there was just that much business. And I'm sure
business keeps increasing every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And you know it does because now
we have some because everything that I've ever said about
them has happened, because it is continuing to happen. Much
of the chagrin of the uh that we love the
honeybee crowd be huggers, the bee hudgers, you know, much
of their chagrin. I'm always right, but boy, talk about satisfying.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, hosh, what's your background? How did you got
how did you guys find each other?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So you know, COVID for me, you know, kind of
flipped my life upside down, and uh, you know, I
did that to a lot of people, and I went
from being uh, I went, I became non essential. Right.
Speaker 2: So I was I was looking for work.
Speaker 4: I'd met my wife and I wanted to move over
here to be with her, and I was looking for
work and a mutual friend said, hey, you know, go
talk to read.
Speaker 1: And that was it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that was it. Yeah, And so it's just
prior to read though I wasn't involved in in any
be stuff at all.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so you just kind of you just signed
up and learned on to go basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's got to be quick learning too. I assume
if you guys are going out every day removing you know.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you it was pretty funny because because I
wasn't really sure about any of it when I first
got started. I mean, you know, he'd tell me stories
and and all of this kind of stuff and I'm like,
really really, And then and you know, we did a
couple of hives and then we got into one up
in Kansas Settlement.
Speaker 2: It was massive.
Speaker 4: In fact, you can watch the job. It's called worst
period bees period ever, period period period and uh and
and you know, as it stands, it actually wasn't. We've
seen them worse since then.
Speaker 2: But it was a bad hive.
Speaker 4: And it was all overhead work midsummer and we're out
there and it was nuts. I mean I got I
got all stung up, got stung through my gloves, got
stung through my suit. And by the time we waited
our way through the hive, I had had my come
to Jesus moment, you know, I'm all like, you know,
why don't we relocate this? And then and then and
then I just I had that experience and it it stuck.
And he's like, oh shit, it can be like this, this.
Speaker 2: Is a this is a calling. And now it's more
often than that, and exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the thing. So it's it's November now,
but I mean in the summer there it's hot as balls.
It's fucking southern Arizona. And so you guys are wearing
these be suits at the same time. I mean they
can sting through the suits sometimes. How do they get
into the suit?
Speaker 2: Sometimes all the time, they don't. They don't make equipment
for us. They make equipment for bee keepers.
Speaker 1: Right, not for people who are actually getting attacked on
a massive level.
Speaker 4: Or exactly exactly making And I don't know what they
do down in South and Central America because because you know,
in Brazil they keep the.
Speaker 2: People die every day. In latinomer every people do they're
using these things.
Speaker 1: You're saying Guadalajara, Well, you were telling me something last
week there was a massive uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the the average just just in Guadalajara, the
average number of reported the attacks every month is three thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's crazy. So they're just everywhere.
Speaker 2: City and Latin American. I've lived in Latin America. I
know Mexico intimately. I've been in Brazil, in Costa Rica
and Panama and all that. And the last people you
call are cops. You do not call cops in Latin America.
You do not nothing. You you if you absolutely have to,
you have to, you can call an ambulance. But so
these are reported, so these have to be pretty bad
for that number for them to call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an understatement of actualities of the actual attacks.
Then yeah, that's crazy, and.
Speaker 2: That exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean biology, so much of you know, Central and
South America too, so much of it is rural.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you don't you don't hear.
Speaker 4: Anything about that, just like you don't hear about stuff here.
I mean two years ago they killed three people here
in Coacheese County, didn't even make the papers, Jesus Man,
because because it's rural, nobody cares what happens.
Speaker 1: So biologically, I just think, I mean, if they're that widespread,
to think about all the reductions in native diversity, that's.
Speaker 2: This is the big This is the big one. That's
the big.
Speaker 1: They're everywhere, and that's limited resources.
Speaker 4: Biodiversity leads to desertification. A lack of bioto diversity will
fuck all of us. Never mind a killer beehive, right,
it's homogenization.
Speaker 2: Of nature, right, Absolutely need diversification, and these guys are.
That's why I call them the most successful invasive species
to hit the planet, because they've got human support.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the more you learn about them, they
kind of are and the fact that they're so good
it just getting established on their own.
Speaker 2: Well, and like Horse said, they have human support. We're
aiding in a bedding.
Speaker 1: And now competing everything. Yeah, I mean, and then you
think about the I mean, you know a lot of
players in the US are actually pretty well studied. There's
there's entomologists and melotologists, be researchers studying this stuff and
keeping data and surveying on numbers and populations. But then
there's a lot of places, especially in Latin America, Central America,
where no one's keeping adequate track of this. There's certainly
some good work being done down there by scientists, but
then there's a lot of areas that are just rural
and the universities can't get out there and think about
what could be happening. I mean, just massive reduction.
Speaker 2: On these Africanized on are decimating uh native pollinators in
the Amazon. That's something nobody is talking about.
Speaker 1: And no one seems to be keeping tabs on it
either and studying it. I mean, there's no there's no numbers,
there's no quantifying and.
Speaker 2: Even worse than that, people are going to keep bees right.
Speaker 4: So what we want to see, Julius, we want to
see people stop keeping backyard bees. No backyard bee keeping,
no feral hive relocations.
Speaker 2: It's just not worth It's that simple.
Speaker 1: It's keeping bees.
Speaker 4: People will do those two things. Stop backyard beekeeping and
stop relocating feral highs.
Speaker 1: Put some put some agvy nectar on your peanut butter
sandwich instead, or just you know, fucking banana.
Speaker 2: You don't need be no shortage of honey.
Speaker 1: You don't need the honey. You don't need the honey.
You know it's for your whiskey. Sours do something they
use honey and whiskey says, you find something else.
Speaker 2: You know, fucking what do you mix things with whiskey?
Speaker 1: I know, well I've been sober nine years now. I
had to stop. I was, you know, you know, I
made a program.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be we wouldn't be talking if I continued.
Speaker 1: Friend the bee, I've been a friend the bill, you know.
But but uh but you know, but yeah, I mean
I was. There's that's the things that it's I mean,
I like, yeah, I like honey too, But it's not
worth this. It's not worth it.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not. And honestly, in our lifetimes, certainly
we're gonna have all the honey we can consume where
it's not going away. We're not giving up on anything.
You know, people, we get comments all the time, Joey
from people are like we're all gonna starve the way
that you're killing the bees, Like, go shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: It's just the propaganda. It's just the propaganda.
Speaker 2: We exactly, we only we only kill every hive that
we get called out to go get rid of, of course,
because we're busy enough doing that ship. And that was
literally point zero zero zero one percent of the hive.
It's just in Coaches County.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nuts, man, it's not. And when you actually
learn about the native bees, I got this book on
my desk right now, The ABC's of California's Native Bees
by Crystal Hickman. Crystal Hickman, she was the bee researcher
I had on the podcast a couple of days ago.
And you know, you look and it's it's a C
so it's species name A through A through Z and
it's these things are fucking dope. They're really cool, you know,
cute little bastards that are mostly solitary or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mostly non aggressive, mostly solitary, do not stand do
not have do not stand a match to these africanized
honey bees where you've got one hundred thousand and a
high them. They're all of one mind.
Speaker 1: And nobody's aware that most of these species exist. Man,
it's crazy. There's like metallic blue native bees here that
are just fucking gorgeous and cool, and then you learn
they've got a specialist relationship with a really cool desert
plant and those things are.
Speaker 2: Getting fucked just to like make a list of native pollinators.
And all I can do is tell them google native
pollinators for your area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, or go to or go to I Naturalists
the website I Naturalist, type in, type in your type
in your county name, and type in I know, Hymenoptera
is the main order. What is the family of bees?
Is that AA or something?
Speaker 4: What? No, what is it?
Speaker 1: What is the main Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm an opera and uh I mean APIs.
Speaker 1: Let me see dot org. Yeah, I think dot com.
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to hear that killerby nation out there YouTube?
Speaker 1: And are we still on TikTok I naturalists dot org
And you could type in hymenoptera, but there's because hymenoptera
will give you ants and wasps too, what would.
Speaker 2: You exactly what you know, we tell people just to
put in native pollinators from my area. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: You know. The other thing to bring up, Joey real quick,
is it feral honeybee hives, whether they're European or afroganized,
and nothing to do with your food supply exactly, Yeah,
are not pollinating your food. It's not feral honey bees
that are that are pollinating the monocrops in California. It's
kept bees, feral honey bees. There's no place for feral
honeybees of any genus in the America.
Speaker 1: So it's really overstated. This is really overstated the amount
of of pollination that they do of crops.
Speaker 2: It's well crops, so they do. But but feral hives
do not pollinate crops as supposed to, as opposed to
kept bees by the big boys, by the professionals.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, well even that, I mean again, all
the grain crops are wind pollinated, so exactly.
Speaker 2: That's right. Nobody's nobody has ever died of an almond deficiency.
Speaker 1: Okay. The taxonomic the taxonomic clade I was looking for
is a podia A p O I d E A
which is uh is within Highminatra, and that includes the
wasps and the bees. So if you type in a
point A P O I D e A into eye naturalists,
there's two fields there. One you can type in the
organism you're looking for. In the other field, you can
type in Cocheese County, for instance, and you'll get a
list of everything. Every native bee and APIs maliffer will
show up there too, But of course we know that's
not native, so that's a great reference for people to
use as well. But that's I mean right there. I mean,
you look at these things. They're fucking cool. They're all
really cool looking, really ecologically important and little known native
pollinators that are getting fucked by these stupid honey bees
that are also a threat to human life.
Speaker 2: So literally, yeah, yes, yeah, it's it's uh, I got wet.
I mean, thank you so much for having us, man,
thank you guys for coming on me. Yeah, this has
got to be put out there. Man, we can do
another one in a few months if you want. I mean,
this has got to be you know, we'll never win
the war, but we have to win every battle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's you know, I mean, it's I'm only
partially joking. But when I say that, I like to
see honeybee hate. I like to see spreading hate for
the honey bees because it's it is. It's a huge issue, man,
I mean, and I just thinking about that alone, all
the places where it's records aren't being kept, and that
is not being collected about all the I mean, I
wonder if they've caused any extinctions of native bees anywhere,
certainly extir patients.
Speaker 4: You know, I promise you no, no massive decimations. You know,
something that we see consistently. We'll do a job someplace
out in the valley or wherever.
Speaker 2: We'll do a job.
Speaker 4: We'll knock out a hive. We'll return to the same
patch of grass a month later, two months later, five
months later, and we see native bees everywhere. Oh so
you actually see all kinds of diversity. We absolutely see
that diversity bounce back.
Speaker 1: You see the removal of these invasive species actually result
in more diversity.
Speaker 4: Is better population because there's more food.
Speaker 2: With our own eyes, there's more food for them and
less competitive the bees, these Africanized bees. I've watched them
kill native pollinators on flowers.
Speaker 1: What do they do?
Speaker 2: I just pile on top of the dog bile or
drive them away. They're so aggressive and competitive that for
they're competitive not only for fruit doores, but for housing.
They will drive Now bumblebees house underground. Here in the
desert southwest, there are no more bumble bees and tuc
Sound because of Africanized honey bees there. They will take
over underground burrows of bumblebee hives. They will kill the
bumblebees and move in. Now European honeybees never ever used
to live underground. We are seeing that all the time
now you see our videos. We have numerous videos of
us doing removals underground, or we're digging them out, digging
Africanized hives out from rabbit warrens and under burrows where
bumblebees used to live.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's well, of course they're hitting native poloniers.
I mean, the killer bee colonies don't even fight. They
fight amongst each other too.
Speaker 2: It sounds like, oh, absolutely yeah, oh they'll kill each
other willing.
Speaker 4: In addition to that, you know the real problem is
it's a sort of like gentrification that these colonists are doing. Right,
So they'll occupy a space. The amount of nectar and
pollen that the average hive pulls out of an ecosystem, okay,
in a three mile radius where they're foraging. In a month,
the amount of nectar and pollend that they will pull
out of an ecosystem and stockpile in one of these
hives can rear thirty three thousand native bees.
Speaker 1: God, that's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: And you know out here food is scarce.
Speaker 4: The these we've been, we've been in we've been in
effectively a you know, there's a real dearth of resources
out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a drought out here for a long time,
desert already. And then the yeah, Arizona's in a bad
drought right.
Speaker 4: Now, what little there is, what little there is the
the Africanized honeybees horde, and so there's less food for
the natives now. In addition to that, though, remember they
don't just in breed native plants, but they pollinate and
spread invasive plant species. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, it can't be really mad, especially
when I think of that lady.
Speaker 2: Is saving the bees exactly. No, I fully rock the sentiment.
Speaker 1: I understand why you guys are so turned up now
about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So out in the valley, out in the
valley one hundred and fifty years ago. Okay Sea of grass,
sulfur springs, valley, sea of grass from peak to peak, Okay,
from mountain range to mountain range, nothing but grass. The
ranchers come through, not just the ranchers, but the cattle
comes through. Okay, settlers, calons, they come through. They overgraze it,
and they spread mesquite all over the place. Now mosquite
loves disturbed soils. So you have this decimation of native
grass being replaced by a lot of desert scrub, most
of which or.
Speaker 2: Much of which is mesquite, which is an invasive.
Speaker 1: Speci mesquite mesquites not invasive, it's native, but it takes
over due to overgrazing. I mean, those lands sound like
there was.
Speaker 2: No mosquite, but there was no mosquite here originally, right,
it couldn't.
Speaker 1: It couldn't get in when it was a grassland. And
then when you once you're overgrazed, now it takes over
and gets super aggressive.
Speaker 4: And now here's the thing is that mosquite in under
these environmental conditions. The nectar flow off mesquite here is
twice a year, and so that is plenty of food
for africanized honey bees. But because the mesquite wasn't the
dominant species here before, the native bees can't really relate
to mesquite, not in the way that the honey bees do.
So you have an invasive species spreading an invasive.
Speaker 2: Species, and it's mainly because the native pollinators are specialists
and the honey bees, Africanized honeybees in particular, are generalists.
That's an important destry.
Speaker 1: Well well, well again, mysquit's not invasive. It is a native,
but it wouldn't. It's it's exploiting a niche because of
the overgrazing, and the honey bees are now helping that along.
And so once miskite takes over, of course now the
grass can't get in because the miskeit shaves it out,
and so now the ranchers and the cattle have nothing
to eat. So this is all the more reason for
i mean ranchers especially to care about this on that level.
It's it's leading to, you know, landscape changes that directly
affect them.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. You can see a lot of our VIDs where
we interview. We talked the ranchers down here a lot.
We're all friends of ours, we know them, I mean,
they're down to earth. These are so these people live outside.
I mean, these people are amazing, and you can see
interviews where we talk to them. They hate these bees
with a passion.
Speaker 1: They get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get it, you know, I mean they you know.
So it used to be, you know, you could relocate
the honey bees around because they didn't try to kill us.
Now you relocate a swarm or a hive out on
any ranch property and you might get shot at.
Speaker 1: I can't say I blame them. When people may locate,
what do they do? I mean, what are they just
dumping a hive in a tree slumper?
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, it's a really good question, Joey,
And I'll tell you what. It's super disingenuous because you can't.
First of all, there's no shortage of these damn things.
You where are you going to relocate them?
Speaker 2: Too? He is the question.
Speaker 4: And what I am pointing at here is there's a
lot of people that say they're relocating and it's virtue signaling.
They take this hive out someplace and they euthanize it.
It's all for marketing. It's all for show, it's all
for clicks, it's all for views. It's bullshit.
Speaker 3: Another day of saving the bees to a trash can
because you have too many damn hives. So how many
hives can a piece of property hold effectively, how many
can it support? How much relocating can you do before
you completely max out a three mile radius ecosystem right
from where your hives are rotating saturated and it's already saturated.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of people that are pretend it's
virtue signaling. Dude, there's a lot of people that are
pretending to relocate that are actually just gathering up these
and flushing them down a toilet someplace.
Speaker 1: Well, it's I hope they're doing that. At least, you know,
the virtue singing. I could do it out, but at
least they're putting them down, I would hope, because I mean,
it's just sounds like these things. I mean, it's they are.
They're like they're like rats. They just breed super fast
like rats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, deadly rats, but the most successful invasive species on
the planet right now. And you know, people always ask us,
we get a lot of comments from Africa, from beekeepers
in Africa, so that I, oh, I deal with these
bees all the time. No, you don't. There are no
africanized honey bees in Africa. There are African honey bees
in Africa, right, Yeah, there are no cross breeds. Yeah,
and there's a huge distinction, and I mean huge, right,
it's two different critters. They look the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the hybrid again, Yeah, that's the distinction to
make the hybrid is not the same as the wild ancestor.
Speaker 2: Well exactly it sounds.
Speaker 1: For better or worse, like you guys have your work
cut out for you and you'll be very busy.
Speaker 2: There's no weird job security in the universe.
Speaker 1: There's no short of there's no shortage unfortunately of killer
bee colonies to remove.
Speaker 2: But or educating people about these damn things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's the biggest part, is just
letting them know, like, man, honey bees just suck. They
kind of do.
Speaker 4: They do.
Speaker 1: And this is it's not just the fact they can
kill you, it's also the reductions and diversity that they're.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they stuck in the Americas and they're actually sucking
in Europe now too because there are too many. There's
a really good show from deutsch World that we use
in one of our presentations called We're Saving the Wrong Bees,
and it's a German production. It's in English, and there
are too many. There are too many honey bees in
Germany now, in Europe now, and that are driving out
other native pollinators. Honey honey bees belong in Asia, Africa
and Europe. They don't belong in the Americas.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, but that comment about Europe. The bee researcher
I had on a few days ago mention that too.
She said, they're even call it causing reductions in diversity
where they're native, because there's they're everywhere and they get
a boost from human beings many.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is humans. Humans are helping the situation.
Speaker 1: Eating a Betty, Well, thank you both so much for
coming on. I appreciate you, and I appreciate what you're doing,
and I appreciate you getting the message out there. So
thank you again.
Speaker 2: All right, brother, they appreciate you. Man. This has been
absolutely excellent and really enjoyed talking with you the stud again.
Speaker 1: Yeah man, Yeah, and I look forward to watching more
of your videos. Stay safe out
Speaker 2: There, all right, we'll do Thanks Joey, Okay, take care bye,