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Speaker 1: Tube. He's on the tube. He's on the least lights.

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Speaker 2: Did you see any northern lights? No?

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Speaker 1: I did not. I didn't. I'm too low. I'm at

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like twenty six degrees latitude here. I'm done at the

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ass end of Texas.

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Speaker 2: Oh never mind, okay, yeah, where are you at? We're

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down here. You know where Tombstone is, of course?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think so. Is that that's outside of Phoenix?

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Speaker 2: Right, okay? Well, actually, okay, Tucson. You know, Tucson is

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one hundred miles of south of Phoenix, and we are

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one hundred miles south of Tucson.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're near Bisbee, it's.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, we're Yeah, we're just on the edge

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of Bisbee and the edge of our seats, by the way,

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but we're a mile high in the mountains. And I

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actually saw the northern lights for the second time in

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a year last night. Again.

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Speaker 1: Oh god damn. Yeah, you're lucky man. All right, well,

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uh yeah, I haven't seen him in a long time.

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I saw him driving driving on the interstate in Minnesota once.

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But welcome to the crime pace. Upon he doesn't podcast

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today on a podcast. This is I've been looking forward

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to this for a long time because I love this.

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I love these videos. It's it's read Booth, the killer

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bee guy and Hash. What's Hash's last name?

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Speaker 2: Does he?

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Speaker 1: Does he prefer to keep it secret? Or can he?

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Can we let it out?

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Speaker 2: Or what is the last name? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Hosh is the last name? Okay, I apologize?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, My name is Hosh Hosh hosh ho.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. That works too, shure fucking why

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not Hosh Hosh Hosh Hosh and read Booth, you guys,

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put on you guys, put on these fucking suits and

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go deal with the my arch nemesis. These bees. I've

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you know, I learned about you from a friend who's

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a herper. He's actually he's an organic chemistry teacher. He

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does herping on the side. But he sent me these

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videos and I said, this is fucking nuts, man. These

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are This has got to be one of the most

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horrible ways to die, getting sworn by these things. The

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scoot Alotta hybrid you know, commonly referred to as the

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quote africanized bees that was bred in Brazil with an

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eco a very aggressive ecotype of APIs malifer. Of the

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honey bees they had European and then they bred it

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with the Southern ecotype, which is more aggressive, and so

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now we have this mess. And basically, anytime you encounter

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a faroh bee colony in the lower latitude United States,

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it's going to be the more aggressive variety.

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's assumed the worst. Let's put it

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that way. You know. It's it's like as if you

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have two landmines in your yard. One's a dad and

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one's not. You're gonna step on them to find out.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, I mean, these things and I've been chased.

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I had a friend who's been chased because he's out

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there digging around the brush, lifting up you know, tin

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and sheet metal and stuff, looking for snakes and tortoises

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and shit. And he did that once with a killer beehive.

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They chased them. He got stung like two hundred times.

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They chased them for half a mile.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah. And of course we see that

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in here, but every single day. The most recent we

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heard was up in Mesa, which is Phoenix area, two

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days ago. Oh my god, these guys were transporting a hive.

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So there's a bunch of people relocating these damn things.

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Because of the great illusion of Winnie the poogle sunny

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bees exactly, Joey, save the bees. It's not Nobody ever

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asked which ones right. And so they're transporting this hive

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and it lit up in their pickup truck and the

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driver got stung up and lost control, killed a pedestrian

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and ran into a pole.

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Speaker 1: Jesus fucking I mean, I shouldn't be laughing, but like

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it's like something out of a movie. It's terrible. It's

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Speaker 2: That's the stupidity of it, you know. And that was

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just a couple of days ago. This happens all the time.

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People are relocating these things. What the fuck? It makes

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no sense. They're relocating a deadly invasive species. What's not

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing too, is you know. I

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was just I went to the Southern California Botanist Symposium

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last week and there was a guy that a presentation

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on how honey bees actually they not only reduce the

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diversity of native bees, which are fucking so cool. My

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last podcast that there was a native bee diversity in

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the deserts in North America, but the honey bees reduce

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diversity of native pollinators, but they also reduce levels of

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fitness in plants because you know, like a desert shrub

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will have be covered in many different flowers, but they're

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all on the same plant. So and the honey bees

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behave differently than the native bees. They'll go from flower

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to flower to flower on the same plant, so the

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plant is essentially fucking itself, which leads to inbreeding depression

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and reduced levels of fitness. Whereas native bees, and you

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can watch them too, native bees will go from one

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flower then to a different plant. That's I don't know why, Host.

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don't understand that the pollination is not a s It's

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very complex, right that that's what it comes down to,

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for example, you know only the squash bees can pollinate

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the squash plants. You know, honey bees can't do that. Additionally,

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a very loud hum, and that hum is designed to

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elicit a nectar response in the flowers. Right, and so

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they basically the flowers get wet, right, the bees come over,

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they start singing to them, The flowers get wet, and

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then they can go in there and grab that nectar.

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Speaker 2: Honey bees can't do that. Honey bees don't buzz follow me.

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Speaker 1: Well, not to mention all the specialist relationships that exist

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among native bees too. You know, a certain bee can

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only eat the pollen of a certain genus or family

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of plants. But these so they're invasive species, which a

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lot of people aren't aware of, you know, just regular

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people that aren't scientists or biologists or work in you know,

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be removal. A lot of people don't know that they're invasive.

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sting you, and once they sting you, you're marked with

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a pheromone, and then others start coming at you. And

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you don't have to be close to the nest either, right.

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how badly these things are.

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Speaker 2: When we used to have European honeybees, people are quite

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shocked to learn that there were no honey bees in

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the state of Arizona before eighteen seventy two. Ever, they

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made it into California first. Now I'm talking European honey bees,

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and people are always like, well, but I thought they

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were native here, and I go, you know how I

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teach it is, We'll go wait a minute. I've never

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heard of an Alabama honeybee, or a Texas honeybee, or

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a Latin American honey bee. No, they're invasive here. They

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were brought over in the early in the sixteen hundreds

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by colonists, and Native Americans hated them so much they

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called them white man's flies, and that was the nice ones.

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love with them. I used to keep bees up here

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early nineties, because I had Winnie the Pooh glasses on

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and I thought, oh, they're cute and fuzzy, they don't

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try to kill me, and they give me honey. What's

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not to love. Of course, being myopic humans, we did

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not we do not pay attention to what they do

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to native environment, and invasive species has never benefited the

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native environment they've invaded, right, So now all of a

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sudden the Africanized come across the line and back in

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ninety three, Joey, And so did I ever tell you that, Joey?

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That that's why you know they came from down south? Right?

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And where does that let from the border here? We're

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nine miles so we call them be legals.

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the obviously in Mexico, and they've been slowly heading north.

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are they? How far north are they heading?

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Speaker 1: No, I got it. I get you, I get you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah right, I'm giving you our time. Okay, So

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interesting story on that one. A few days ago, we

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got a comment from a fan up in British Columbia

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and they have it. They're called trees and shrubs and

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and they years years ago had this beekeeper that came

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to them and said, can I keep some hives on

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your property? And I'll give you some honey. You know

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that's been happening for you know, as long as honey

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some bees. Well this guy, all of a sudden, the

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bees started attacking her husband, and she asked him, what

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mean here that I imported Africanized honey bees to make

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the mountains of British Columbia for the fire weed nectar

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flow so he could get fireweed honey. Now, if you

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think for one moment that those bees did not swarm

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up there and divide and conquer. There are Africanized honey

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Speaker 1: So the cooler temperatures don't really seem to affect them

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Speaker 2: And we we're actually not sure if it ever did,

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or if it was the illusion of oh they're Africanized,

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they can't stand it where it's cold. M h right,

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that old fellasy right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're from a warm place, so maybe they need

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warm places they can't take.

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Speaker 2: But you know, like I did a show with Nat

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lockedness and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And so when

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of that show was to dispel the myth the killer

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bees cannot live where it's cold. We went to flag Staff,

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we went to Vegas. They flew me everywhere to get

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samples of bees for testing a percentage of Africanization back

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here in Tucson at the labs, and all of them

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that we sent down in twenty fifteen, all of them,

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no matter where they came from, were Africanized.

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Speaker 1: They all had the and that's the scoot, A lot

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of ego type the scoot, a lot of what is

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all the DNA tests came back for positive for that.

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Speaker 2: The exactly all came back and they're called African eyesed

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because the dominant gene is the African gene.

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Speaker 1: Where where is it from in Africa? Is it in

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northern Africa or is it no southern?

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Speaker 2: So what are they hosh South South Africa, South Cape

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Cape beast. I think you know, there's no other an

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Speaker 1: So this is probably an ecotype that evolved in response

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to hives getting raided by large mammals.

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Speaker 2: Probably, But it also turns out, Joey that the cross

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breed is much meaner than either parent strain.

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Speaker 2: Only analogy that I can come up with is, you know,

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you you breed. You take two purebred dogs and you

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crossbreed and we end up with Chiua.

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Speaker 1: Was every time right, the chihuahuas to chase you in

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the street. They are so they're always so aggressive, you know.

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have a friend, she's a beat keep it down here

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and she you know, I was asking her as like

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two years ago before I really knew, and I said,

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because I'll see count you know, Faroh honey beehives, and

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she said, yeah, basically, anytime you see a Farah honey beehive,

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they're all the scoot, a lot of hybrid, they're all

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super aggressive, but sometimes sometimes they're not.

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 1: That's what's confusing me too, Like even like the hive

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won't behave aggressively in certain days. Have you noticed and

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in some of your videos too, I've noticed that, like

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you'll see, there'll be times when they're just lit up,

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you know, like the video you did called Portal to

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Hell or I Plead the Fifth the trailer one, and

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then other times they're just relatively mellow. Is that like

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a temperature thing that you've noticed, or just what affects that?

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Speaker 2: It really doesn't make any sense to us, because not

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only do they look exactly the same as a European

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honeybeat Okay, the difference is genetic. They don't look any different.

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But just like any other gritter on the planet, how

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they're behaving at this exact moment has nothing to do

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their genetics. Behavior does not equal genetics. So they they're

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still Africanized no matter how they're behaving at this moment, right,

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And so some of them like, not every rottweiler is

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going to kill you every time you see it. Not

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every horse is going to throw you. Not. Nothing behaves

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the same all the time. Right, Yeah, I'll.

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Speaker 4: Share something interesting with you. Some of the some of

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the most docile hives that we have exterminated, had killed

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a dog the day before.

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Speaker 1: Oh we're okay, Yeah, So it's it's just it's just

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like a coin toss, I mean, because no matter what

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that the alleles that come from the scoot a lota

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hybrid are gonna they're going to be naturally selected for.

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The most aggressive are going to be naturally selected for

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and any any colonies. And this is probably what was

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happening when they were migrating north, is that you know,

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the the any feral European honey beehives which did not

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need to be as aggressive because they probably because they've

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been domesticated for so long that had been filtered out.

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They eventually got replaced just by these hyper aggressive colonies,

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or invaded by the colonies and then hybridized too or

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but slowly. The net result is that basically everything now

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is this is the africanized one. The scutolatas.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you have to assume it. That's for sure,

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that could build grand mind thing. I mean, people still

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so many people have Winnie the Pooh glasses on. We

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call it right, and we get death threats for because

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we're killing honey bees. It's just stupid, you know, It's

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like people just.

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Speaker 1: Don't know that. People are so removed. People are so

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removed from biological reality. I mean, I deal with it

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with plants all the time. People think all plants should

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be neat and hedged and even lease spaced and have

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variegated leaves and you know, be the corny shit you

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get at the home Depot garden section. And meanwhile, the

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nature around them, they're afraid of the nature around I

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don't want to go out into nature. This takes and

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snakes and you know, they're they're afraid of the living world.

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It's wild. But so what do you guys, how do

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you so, what's the method you guys employ for dealing

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with these things when you're called in?

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Speaker 2: Well, we have really good b suits and cohon's like that.

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Speaker 1: But okay, well you got to have be suits obviously,

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but what are the I know, you use glue, you don't,

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you don't spray a lot of Uh, you don't use pesticides, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We do, Yeah, we do sometimes. Well, yeah, absolutely. I

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mean in the state of Arizona, you know, we're licensed

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to use nuclear weapons that we don't you know, you know,

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we're Bosh and I are both have all the licensing

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you can get with the Department of Vague regarding this. Uh.

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In the in our division, we actually teach for the

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state for licensing continuing education, and we also teach first responders.

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We have different classes for first responders and uh, you know,

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share police, fire, et cetera. Because they don't want anything

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to do with these damn things, right, yeah. And so

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we've developed these methods act I primarily have. I've been

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doing it for a brown thirty five years and Bush

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has been with me for about five years now. So

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I developed most of these methods to stay alive. Honestly,

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you know, you know, people ask me where did I

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learn all this? And I tell them, I tell them Joey, Honestly,

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I have a doctorate from MSU, and they'll always ask me,

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is that Michigan or Mississippi? And I said, no, that's

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making shit up.

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Speaker 1: It's from it's from a lived experience. It's from being

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attacked by some of these things. But I mean, so

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what when you're using I mean, what do you use

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like permethrons, which are like the more organic stuff for

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like the.

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Speaker 2: Or the no, no, no, I'll use the pyrithans. There's

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delta methrins and cypermethrians and whatnot that we use. And

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of course the main thing with using anything of this

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type of thing is use it according to the label,

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because those are specifically they've gotten so fine tuned with

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their chemical makeups, with their you know, one molecule removed

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to make it adult to mathrin that it's only works

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on that insect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're just they're chrysanthemum derivatives basically the phyto

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chemistry and chrysanthemum's asc so and it's it's cool as hell.

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Speaker 2: You know where that came from was the like the

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Middle Ages and the Dark Ages, and people were not clean.

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Pete was it was Pete was horrible. There was no

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you know, hot water, running water, there was. People had

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a lot of parasites, a lot of license. Somehow someone

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figured out that if you bathed in chrysanthemum flour tea,

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it killed the parasites. Yeah, and you know, so of

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course modern chemistry and sciences and now we have our pyrithrins.

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So when we go in. The basic approach is when

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someone calls, which is pretty much almost every day and

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sometimes fifteen to twenty times a day here in the

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county for removal, and that's people that have been attacked.

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Just a side note, people have no idea how many

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of these beads there are. The average number of beehive

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removals in Tucson every year is a ten thousand.

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Speaker 1: God, that's insane. There's so many these things are there, Yeah,

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for a year.

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Speaker 2: Fucking terrible, although they're unde fucking legal. And we're extremely

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rural down here. You know, this is a you could

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fit Rhode Island is at the county, but it's extremely

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wild west, extremely rural. But we'll get ten, fifteen, even

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sometimes thirty calls a day to bending. We never know

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we're on call, so we have our list of questions

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to find out what's going on. It's extremely rare that

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we'll go out to look at a situation because everything

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is two hours to three hours away and we're still

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in the county. Yeah, right, we do work in the

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state of Arizona, and we do the removal for Border Patrol,

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Share Police, Fire, Homeland Security, Customs and Border FAA and

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all that. We're the only we're the only team that

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are vetted down here by the FEDS for doing removals

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on those properties.

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Speaker 1: But when, but when you're going? I mean so because

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I've seen you guys spray and glue in the video.

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So you guys are spraying glue, and then I guess

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to deal with the like the hive to make sure

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it comes back, do you have to inject it with

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like neonocottinids or something or like systemic. So that's what

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I would imagine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, As to the spray, he's the thing. I came

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up with that years ago, and it had primarily to

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do when there's comb involved, when there's honey involved, because

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if we spray our pyrriythrins around, we've got to throw

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it away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I got to thinking, well, I don't care if

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these bees are are alive or not. I just don't

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want them flying around, right. Yeah, So I started experimenting,

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and I started off with hairspray be kind of a

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logical thing. Well, hairspray the aerosolized liquid is way too small,

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too fine of a mist, and it's all scented.

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Speaker 4: Yea.

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Speaker 2: They hate that show man. They hate any kind of center.

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So so then I kind of modified the old approach

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and switched to the craft adhesuit. And it's non toxic.

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It's made to use inside your home for crafts, arts

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and crafts and shit right, it's just Elmer's in a

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can aerosolized. And so we spray that in the air,

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as you've seen on our bids to knock them out

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of the air. And we can with a half a can,

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we can knock down thirty thousand of them and they

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ants get them.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Oh so you're feeding the ants too.

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That's good. That's supporting, that's nutrient recycling. That's funny. I'm

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imagining you spraying them with hairspray and it just you know,

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it smells like you know, when you're behind like an

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old lady at the grocery store and she's just fucking doubt,

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you know what I mean, it's just get more mad

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and now they really start coming in. Yeah, I don't

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blame them. So that was so you do that to

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basically get the honey. And then because I had this

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problem there there was a I had a fucking be

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colony living in this like dilapidated toolshit on the back

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part of my house in West Texas. And I tried everything.

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I was like injecting it with pyreethrins. That didn't. I

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couldn't hit the main hive. I'd go out there at

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night when they would be less active, and I'd have

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a hoodie on and like a face mask and a hat,

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and shit, I was not prepared enough, you know, But

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I only got stung once or twice at night and

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then but then they still be active. And so I

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went and I got systemics, which I knew, you know,

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systemic insecticides from just growing cact die because if you

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you know, if you're growing cacti in a greenhouse, you

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basically need systemic insecticides because they just they didn't involve

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with a lot of the spider mites and shit that

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that they encounter in growing conditions indoors or in a

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close greenhouse. And so anyway, so I would. I then

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found this like foam spray that I could inject into

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this hole, and I think that worked, but it took

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like a good month to kill them to not see anymore,

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you know, like there were still ones going inside, but

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you got to figure every with the systemics stick around.

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So every time they're going past going walking out the door,

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they're getting some on them and it finally just knocked

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them out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the residual re encounter that a lot, I mean,

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And of course, as you've heard us say on our channel,

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this is not a DIY channel. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's really easy to fuck up. And

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there again there's no way to get away from them too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, well they you know, they've chased our truck.

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As you know, we have a fire truck that we

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use for a be removal or brush truck, and they've

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chased it for ten miles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw at one point they were in the

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truck with you guys, like a bunch of them were

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able to get in the truck when you you know,

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you guys were getting attacked and you went back into

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the truck. And then now you're filming in the truck

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and they're actually in the truck with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that I mean, I have what do you

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think each every day?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to some degree, that's where we get stung.

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That's our happy place, the truck. We you know, frequently

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we will leave a job. We got a bunch of

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bees in the truck and it's it's a game of

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you know, once they get in there, there they're really

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there's a point where they're not aggressive anymore and they're

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just walking around. The stings that I've taken in the truck,

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and most of my stings I have taken in the

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truck have always come from accidental, right Like I'll reach

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in my bag and there's one in my bag and

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it gets me, you know that kind of thing. But yeah, yeah,

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we're popping. We drive down the road and I'm over

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on the side popping bees. You know.

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Speaker 2: God, So, you know, for miles and miles and we

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still still have them on us.

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Speaker 1: There was one there was one video you guys mentioned,

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you know you, I think it was read. I think

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it was you. You said I can smell the venom

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like they had stung so much and they were trying

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00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,680
to sting through the mask. Thing you said you could

469
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,920
smell or taste the venom. Is that is that Legit?

470
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 2: Is that real? Oh? Yeah? Absolutely?

471
00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:53,839
Speaker 4: You know there's a we we rank them and it's

472
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,599
our own system, but we ranked them for a long time.

473
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,519
It was one through five, you know, in terms of

474
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,839
AGGRESSI and five being the most aggressive, one being what

475
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,160
are these things were European?

476
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,079
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

477
00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we had to add a class six

478
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,839
because we started getting into a hostility that we'd never

479
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:12,559
seen before.

480
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: Pretty amazing, but yeah, you know, one of the things that.

481
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,559
Speaker 4: Marks a class four class five is you you get

482
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,359
into the hive and you know, you you catch a

483
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:24,880
whiff of that.

484
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: You start smelling venom as you're going on. That means

485
00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:30,960
and what that is?

486
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,519
Speaker 4: What that that? What that is is? That's the attack pheromone.

487
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,440
And there's so much of it in the air that

488
00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:40,079
you're that were able to pick it up with our senses.

489
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: Left.

490
00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:43,279
Speaker 1: What does this smell?

491
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 4: Like? Some people there's a banana effect in there, but

492
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:51,279
there's other stuff. There's it's musky.

493
00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:54,839
Speaker 2: Banana, I don't know, maybe like banana bread.

494
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:59,839
Speaker 1: This is so repulsive, you know what, you know what,

495
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:00,519
I'll tell you.

496
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,799
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Joey it is.

497
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 4: It is one of the best smells I've ever smelled

498
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,039
in my life. Oh really, It's just that I have

499
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,880
this bizarre association with it. Now. When I smell it,

500
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,200
I know like, oh this is edgy, and I need

501
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,680
to keep my mask away from my face or I'm

502
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,079
going to get it.

503
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,319
Speaker 1: On the note, he's talking about the whole sensory experience

504
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,839
of being swarmed by these stinging insects. That and you

505
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,319
can smell the venom and then the pheromone that they're

506
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,680
using the signal to each other that let's kill this motherfucker.

507
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,640
I mean, that's just it's a gnarly experience.

508
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:29,839
Speaker 4: Man.

509
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: I can't think. I mean, I can think of worse

510
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,599
ways to go, but that's going to be a bad

511
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,720
way to go out.

512
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think I could.

513
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 4: It's a painful thing. I mean, did you see that

514
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:41,799
video of those hikers that we just encountered?

515
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: No tell us about that? What happened here?

516
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:50,319
Speaker 2: Holy shit. So it was last week and we get

517
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,319
a call. We're over in a place called the Sunny

518
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,039
Zona and you know, coaching count is huge, So we

519
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,359
get a call. We're headed to another job and we

520
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,480
get a call for the Sheriff's Department CCSO, and they said,

521
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:06,799
we have a stinging incident and on Stockton Hill, And

522
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,039
I'm like, what the hell? Is Stockton Hill. I've been

523
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,039
here fifty years. I know you were. You know, there's

524
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,000
many many mountains here and all that. So it's over

525
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:17,839
by Tombstone and there's a road called Gleason Road. Well,

526
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,119
these three professional hikers, they're you know, in their fifties,

527
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,000
but they're members of a hiking club and they're they

528
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,839
know what they're doing. And they were back about two

529
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,880
miles on this four by only road. That took what

530
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,240
a hoosh, about an hour for them to drive back down.

531
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: God, and then's a fucking terrible man. That's my night, right,

532
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,880
it gets much you just run in the Well.

533
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,039
Speaker 2: Then they were on top of this mountain, you know,

534
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,559
about a forty five minute walk up this mountain. So

535
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,400
I go into my you know, no fun mode. I'm like, okay,

536
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,319
give me the name and phone number of the person

537
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,079
that called you, who's getting attacked. Do we have any

538
00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:58,680
Sheriff's deputies on route? If so, which one? And I

539
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:02,039
need that number? About the fire departments? Do we have

540
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:05,480
any empts on route? Let's get those rolling. And do

541
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:07,480
you know what the where this is? She said, well,

542
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,079
it's at mile mark or so and so and Gleason Road.

543
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,920
So we flip on the lights on the fire truck

544
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,920
and race get racing over there. It takes us, I

545
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,200
don't know, half an hour to get there. And so

546
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:21,799
in that time I'm on the phone with the stinging

547
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,400
victim as they're walking down the mountain while they're getting

548
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,440
at that, while they're getting at that, and of course

549
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,200
they're freaking out, and I'm telling them, you've got, you know,

550
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,720
remain as calm as possible while moving as quickly as possible,

551
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,559
because there's a lot of the hills and mountains out

552
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,279
here are like walking on boulders or bowling balls or

553
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,920
marbles in the s furry very hard, and there's there's

554
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,799
tacked i every goddamn play, some snakes and everything else

555
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,839
along with the killer bees. So one guy's getting severely attacked,

556
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,279
and so I said, can you see your truck yet?

557
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:58,119
And or you know, what do you have? Do you

558
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,720
have a side by side? Because if you have a

559
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,559
side by side, they were open there's no cab on them,

560
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,920
and that's really dangerous that I don't think anyone would

561
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,839
have lived if they did not have their enclosed jeep.

562
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,839
So I talked to him and I was like, he said, okay, now,

563
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,759
I can see the jeep. I said, well, let's get

564
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,839
everybody down there and look for benadrul in your jeep.

565
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:20,920
Do you have a first aid kit? Yes, okay, we'll

566
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,200
dig around see if you have any benadrul and get

567
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,559
heading out that road. I'm going to get off with

568
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,599
you now so you can get everybody down into the jeep.

569
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,039
And then I got on the horn with the sheriff's deputy,

570
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,119
and then I got on the horn with the EMTs.

571
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,759
And it's very remote out here, and people that have

572
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,640
lived here don't know every damn driveway, of course, and

573
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,279
so we had to find the gate that these guys

574
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,480
went in, and we happened to arrive at the gate

575
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,519
at the same time that the victims made it out

576
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:53,839
with their jeep, and so they didn't want to be filmed,

577
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,039
but we did film after that when Hosh and I

578
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,720
are sitting in the fire truck after as they were

579
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,279
getting ready to haul the one guy away in the ambulance,

580
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:06,000
and he post lost, who did you lose? Count out

581
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:07,920
on one side of his head, pulling stingers up.

582
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,799
Speaker 4: Well between between Reed and I, we we scraped fifty

583
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,160
stingers out of his head. God, and I think I

584
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,319
mean they were on his eyelids. This poor guy, they were.

585
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,759
Speaker 2: On his eyelids.

586
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: He was just your he was what he was like,

587
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:21,720
fifty something?

588
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that track, well, he took over. He probably took

589
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,359
over one hundred. Oh yeah, no, but he's talking about

590
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,799
his age. The guy's age. Oh yeah, yeah, but over

591
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:32,359
but over fifty stings.

592
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: God, damn man, that's that's miserable.

593
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: And they hold on that DMT.

594
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,079
Speaker 4: He showed up before we could finish I he had

595
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,599
him all on his scalp. He must have had one

596
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,960
hundred and fifty stingers on his head.

597
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: They both lived, though, Did they both live?

598
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,759
Speaker 2: We don't. We honestly don't know. So once she passed, Once.

599
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: She passed, we'd love to know. We'd love to know

600
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:56,799
what happened once you passed these guys off to the authorities.

601
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: You know, you don't, Yeah, I mean we're not we're

602
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,240
not family, so we can't call the hospital and ask him.

603
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, damn damn.

604
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: The other two guys had taken I don't know about

605
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,920
they said just a few stings. We knew they took

606
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,559
twenty each or more, and so we we gave him

607
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,279
Ben a drill and the empt showed up, and I

608
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880
conferred with one of the emptis and handed the the

609
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,319
guy that was in shock. He was going into shock

610
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,839
pretty bad, hadding him off and he wasn't having trouble

611
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,640
breathing at that point, but they got him strapped into

612
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,799
a gurney, and then the sheriff's deputy showed up, and

613
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,000
I think even a guy from the department bag. There

614
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:36,039
were a bunch of authorities there because this is a

615
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,240
These are serious, serious events. Of course right now, we

616
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,839
asked them. Of course, while we're administering, we're trying to

617
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,559
talk him down, trying to get him calm, well, get

618
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:47,599
that heart rate down. We asked him what was going on?

619
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,599
How did these bees attack? Well, that's that's a really

620
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,279
strange one because they don't know. So they're walking down

621
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:58,359
this mountain and the one guy that got attacked the

622
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,519
work at a bum bum line.

623
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: That's fucked.

624
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,039
Speaker 2: That's way.

625
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: You're just fucking going for a hike and you just

626
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,920
start getting attacked by killer bees. I mean it's funny

627
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,599
in this really macabre way, like it's just you know,

628
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,599
it's like what the fuck man?

629
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, and out of the blue, out of the blue,

630
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,240
So we you know, did they come out of a cave,

631
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:23,240
did they come out from under a rock hall crapping?

632
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,559
They had no idea. They just started getting attacked and

633
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,279
so they To this day, we don't know where the

634
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:32,960
bees came from. And it reminded me of an instance

635
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,440
we had, I think it was last spring or a

636
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,799
year ago last spring, where Bisbee Fire Department calls us up.

637
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,160
We get calls from first responders all the time. Then

638
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,519
they're either we're en route to a stinging incident. What

639
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,279
do we do when we get there? Or can you

640
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,920
meet us there please? Right, So we get a call

641
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,440
eight am Sunday morning from Bisbee Fire Department and they said,

642
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,680
we have a stinging incident and I said, okay, give

643
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,759
me the contact, named address, and phone number. They said

644
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:58,119
it's out in front of the Bisbee Grand Barn Hotel

645
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,839
on Main Street in Bisbee. And I went, what the

646
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:05,039
what the hell? How many victims? Four people stung? Okay, great,

647
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,680
So we show up down there's just right down town Bisbee.

648
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,839
Here town five five thousand people, very small, break, quaint

649
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,920
and all that shit, and we block off Main Street.

650
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,480
It's eight am Sunday morning, eight thirty by then, and

651
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,240
we're looking. We went all over looking for bees coming

652
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,839
and going out of any building. So I ended up

653
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,559
talking to one of the victims and I said, what

654
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,799
did they come out of? Which building? I come out of?

655
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:29,119
And I was who we were talking to. But anyway,

656
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,960
the gist of it was, it was a cloud of bees,

657
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,759
a swarm flying up main Street that beard off and

658
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,319
attacked these guys n provoked the fuck. You know?

659
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: I heard that once. I was in the Mohave Desert,

660
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,079
because I did. I've done a lot of botany in

661
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,000
the deserts from West Texas all the way to Mohave

662
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,240
and Colorado Desert, Sonoranda, And I remember, god, I was

663
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:53,200
in the Old Woman Mountains. This was fucking terrifying. As

664
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,160
of a friend, and we may or may not have

665
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,880
been on mushrooms, I can't remember, but either way, I heard,

666
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:02,759
I heard the sward this, We heard this swarm. No,

667
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,920
we were in I think we were in the Chuck Wallace. Yeah, God,

668
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,720
it was terrifying.

669
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: Man.

670
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: We heard this swarm moving above us and there's no

671
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,039
other Yeah, and there's no other insect in the desert

672
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,839
that would move it, that that would travel in that density.

673
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,400
Like you're not gonna you're not. There's no native bees

674
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,880
that do that, there's no flies. It was terrifying and

675
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:24,359
and I just remember being able to hear it from

676
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,079
that high above, and me and my friend we both

677
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:28,079
looked at each other like, holy shit, we just got

678
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,480
got down. And I guess they were just moving relocating something.

679
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

680
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the only well, the first time I ever

681
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:40,559
got attacked, I was with Martin Terry, who's a you know,

682
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,079
well known Payote researcher. He was one of the only

683
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,880
people to really do like genetic studies on different the

684
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,759
populations of Payote and got a DA licensed to study it.

685
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:52,680
He was at Sewel Ross University in West Texas and

686
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,359
he's a good guy, a friend of mine, good botanist too.

687
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,039
And we were at his this property has out there

688
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,880
where there's all these cool cac diye, the living rock,

689
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,119
cack gye and okatillo everywhere, and we were on this

690
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,760
hill and and we started I heard the hive, and

691
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,320
the minute I heard it, I was like, oh shit,

692
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:14,000
but it was still like sixty feet away, and then

693
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,159
we started getting attacked, you know. And he's kind of

694
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,599
he's older. I think he's like seventy eight now or something.

695
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,679
But he's really old, can't walk that well. And it

696
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,760
was me, him and another guy and so we're trying

697
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,800
to like get help him come down this talus slope

698
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,840
while we're getting attacked by bees. They hadn't mobbed up

699
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,480
on us fully yet. You know, you would get one

700
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,280
and then they mark you and then you get another one.

701
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,920
But it wasn't like a massive swarm yet, but it

702
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,119
was enough, you know that that it sucked. And yeah,

703
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:46,039
and we still luckily we were on like a quarter

704
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:48,559
mile from the car, but you know, I got stung

705
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,639
like two or three times and it was, Yeah, it

706
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,599
was just it's awful. It's and then you're gonna, you know,

707
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,000
you run the risk of really hurting yourself coming down

708
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,800
this slope because it's all this unstable rock with nothing

709
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,480
to hold on to.

710
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: That that's what you guys had to deal with.

711
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can't imagine that. You know, when you're

712
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,159
like a mile or two from any kind of cover whatsoever,

713
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,360
what do you do? I mean, can they sting? They

714
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,239
can sting through most.

715
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,519
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, no, you can't mess around with anything like that.

716
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,039
You just got to keep moving to just go go go.

717
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,559
You got to you got to put as much space

718
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,840
between you and and that activity as you can straight line.

719
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and don't don't jump into water. They once

720
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,679
you're they go for they initially they go for the

721
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,920
CO two coming out of your nose and mouth. And

722
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,079
so if you jump into water, about ninety five percent

723
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,159
of people that jump into water to escape and attack

724
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,360
end up dying because every time you come up to breathe,

725
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:50,639
or you can try to swim, if you're even a swimmer.

726
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,320
I one guy in Texas that grew up on a

727
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,480
lake there, and he'll come for you. And he swam

728
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,440
underwater as far as he could, but they follow the

729
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,199
bubbles and he was lucky that he led. But they yeah,

730
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,000
we should and they so they'll do, and they will

731
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,800
wait around Joey for hours.

732
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,039
Speaker 1: Yeah you said so. When you said that they tracked

733
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:17,039
your truck ten miles, could you explain tell everybody what

734
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:17,840
happened that day?

735
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,519
Speaker 2: Where were you?

736
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,519
Speaker 1: How did this fucking happen? Was it really ten miles?

737
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,280
What happened?

738
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,599
Speaker 2: Well, the most recent was out at pickets Pricks. Oh yeah,

739
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,079
they were on us for a long There are for

740
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:31,880
six miles with that one. So pickets pricks. It's one

741
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,159
of our one of our removed we named it. DEACU

742
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:36,159
of the world was picket road and we're assholes, so

743
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,280
we called it pickets bricks.

744
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:40,599
Speaker 1: Is there creative with your naming? I will certainly give

745
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:42,519
you that that's a lot of alliteration.

746
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:49,039
Speaker 2: We should do more rhyming and less alliteration. Yeah, less

747
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,639
of literation, Oh my god. So so we we have

748
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,280
to use the jackhammer to get the block out from

749
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,960
underneath this mobile. And these these are so man, there

750
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,760
were Class six, absolutely nuclear, and so you know, they're

751
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,840
dripping venom on us. And where the truck is always

752
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,400
full of venom, they're dripping venom everywhere. I've seen the

753
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:11,559
air so saturated with attack pheromone that they're they're singing

754
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:14,480
birds flying overhead telephone poles and tires on trucks.

755
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say really quick, not that digressed was,

756
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,400
but because in your videos you'll say like they'll and

757
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,559
a lot of the times you're joking. You're like, oh,

758
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:24,320
you'll see a cowsk You're like, oh, look they killed

759
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,400
the cow. But then it got me think, which they didn't,

760
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,519
you're just joking, But then it got me thinking, well, wait,

761
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,559
do they actually go for other animals? They must it's

762
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,440
hell yeah.

763
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah. Every week in this county they kill

764
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,039
a dog over sort of good.

765
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:41,039
Speaker 1: So these so there's like there's documented cases where you've

766
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:44,000
seen them kill things that are I.

767
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: Watched one hive kill a one thousand pound hog at

768
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,119
one time. M god, yeah we got there.

769
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,599
Speaker 4: There was video footage of us dragging dead dogs, dead

770
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:57,639
dogs out of somebody's yards and uh and YouTube took

771
00:37:57,679 --> 00:37:58,079
it down.

772
00:37:58,639 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: You know they're not going to.

773
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,559
Speaker 4: Shoot, but yeah we dogs man dogs all the time,

774
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,280
killed every year.

775
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,039
Speaker 2: And chickens, oh my god, they kill herds of chickens

776
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:07,840
all the time down here.

777
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,519
Speaker 1: It's so insane. I mean, it's just so nuts that

778
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,559
this is like it's got to stop at some point,

779
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,800
Like there's got to be something to check this, you know,

780
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,719
whether it's verroamites or something. But but this is funny

781
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,199
because I'm looking at I'm looking at the face Crook page.

782
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,840
I call it face Crook because it steals people's time

783
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,559
and energy. But there's a review you guys got from Facebook.

784
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:33,519
You guys, you guys got a review from this woman.

785
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,760
I'm not going to mention her name. She's probably this,

786
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,960
I've got a thing against feral cats. She's probably the

787
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,159
same kind of person that because they kill all the

788
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,280
cool lizards and shit that I want in my yard. Whatever,

789
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:46,519
But so they're probably the same kind of caliber of person.

790
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,280
And she says, how could you ask someone to be

791
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,960
recommended when all he wants to do is kill off

792
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:56,960
the bees? You know, not a stupid And then she's

793
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,880
got I mean, there's whatever, you know, she's misspelled words.

794
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,320
No shade to her. She probably doesn't get out much.

795
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,480
But you know, he needs to be shut down and

796
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,199
never be allowed to make TikTok videos. I mean, just

797
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:11,119
you can't even take people like this seriously. But it's

798
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,719
crazy that. I mean, if this woman knew that these

799
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,039
things are killing dogs and livestock, you know, would it

800
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,079
change her mind? Do you think? I just wonder, like

801
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:21,079
how you'd.

802
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: Be surprised, you'd be surprised. How you know that this

803
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:25,280
is part of it.

804
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,639
Speaker 4: It's a mind virus and we won't we don't need

805
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,920
to say which one. But it's a sickness. It's a

806
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,559
mental illness. It's like a Stockholm syndrome where it's like, oh, yeah,

807
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:38,079
we know they kill people. Pets, livestock, we we but

808
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,480
they pollinate, and our angle is, yeah, they're bad for

809
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:46,159
the environment. They kill with native bees for resources, the

810
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,519
inbreeding these people.

811
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: But let's be on these people probably don't even know

812
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,519
what a native bee is. They don't know what that

813
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:54,760
even means. I mean, this is the problem. See, at

814
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,960
least with the case of a feral cat. People it's

815
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,199
probably it's like, oh, it's toxic pleasmos. It's probably is

816
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,840
they have a brain pa, that's why they're you know,

817
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,440
they're probably cutting up kids to feed to the feral

818
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,639
cats around them, you know, right, who knows? I mean,

819
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,760
like the declining bird populations, declining reptile populations. Like we've

820
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,920
got studies showing cats are you know, they're great indoor pets.

821
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,519
When you let them loose, they can really do damage.

822
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:20,880
Thank god people don't do that with dogs. But you know,

823
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,480
it's the same thing. You get these just these virulent people.

824
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:26,880
And I just can't imagine when you've got an animal

825
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:32,400
that swarms and kills people, that that someone's like leave

826
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,679
it alone, you know, Like, don't you know that?

827
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,679
Speaker 2: What I always compare it to is when people say

828
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,360
save the beads Okay, which ones you'll be like saying,

829
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:45,360
save the snakes, I'm gonna raise pythons and let them

830
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,079
go in the Everglades because they're snakes.

831
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,119
Speaker 1: Or save the cows. But it's that it's a cow that, like,

832
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,199
you know, gores people. It's like a very aggressive.

833
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you know, or like the wild

834
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,880
hogs in Texas where you are Diesel Friday, they're too horrible.

835
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,960
Save the pigs. I'm going to raise pigs just because

836
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:08,920
the pigs right and let them go, or the car

837
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:12,719
any invasive species. That's why I summed it up with

838
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,320
an evasive species has never benefited the native environment they've invaded.

839
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would the hogs especially, I mean those things

840
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,599
are we trapped. We've killed like eight that are we

841
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:25,280
have a conservation property and I killed the last one

842
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,960
I shot. I shot it with an AR fifteen. I

843
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,440
shot it five times before it went down on the head.

844
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: The deadly they're tough as nails there.

845
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: And they breed like roaches too. They and they destroy everything.

846
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,280
Like we've had reductions like ninety five percent and some

847
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,039
of the species of cacti rare cacti that we have

848
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,480
on our property and other the nurse plants for them

849
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:48,199
and everything, you know, and then other animals depend on

850
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,599
those and now they're not there anymore because these pigs

851
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,519
just right.

852
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: And you know, that's why, that's why I call these

853
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,559
Africanized honey bees, these killer bees, the most successful invasive creature.

854
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,480
Yet they're invasive, and they're the most successful because they

855
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,639
are at the level the pollinators, are at the ground

856
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,280
level of all food chain and they are not localized.

857
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,559
Your pigs are localized. There that the anacondas in the Everglades,

858
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,960
the lion fish in the Caribbean, the buffalo grass in

859
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,960
the Southwest, buffalograss doesn't grow in Wisconsin, you know, the

860
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,119
eels and the Mississippi, et cetera. No, these goddamn bees

861
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,000
are everywhere and taking over.

862
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

863
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't seem to be going anywhere. And that's

864
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,360
the thing I mean, like with any invasive species, I mean,

865
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,480
that's the province. I think. What's weird about this case

866
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,719
is that these these because most invasive species, I'll say,

867
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,679
it's you know, this species like eucalyptus invasive in California,

868
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,719
but very important in Australia, and you know, other buffalo grass,

869
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,760
very important in Kenya where it's native, where it evolved

870
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,559
with large megafauna that grays on it. But you know

871
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,320
in Arizona and we get that down here too, in

872
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,559
South Texas. It's horrible. It's smothering biodiversity. But with these,

873
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,280
with the scoot, a lot of hybrids, with the Africanized beest,

874
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:12,400
you can't really say that because they don't occur in

875
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,840
nature anywhere. It's it's literally a hybrid. It was bread,

876
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,400
it was produced by people.

877
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're invasive to planet Earth.

878
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: It's yeah. So it's it's kind of like this monster

879
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,480
that's been created. Not to sound too hyperbolic, but it

880
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:28,960
mind of it.

881
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:32,199
Speaker 4: But you guys, they've killed they've killed thousands of people.

882
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,639
But you guys get literally as a monster.

883
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: You've gotten a lot of hate for this though, Like you,

884
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:39,440
you get hate online from people that just don't know

885
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:39,920
any better.

886
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:42,559
Speaker 2: We love it, We love it.

887
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's so crazy.

888
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,639
Speaker 2: I used to really bother me, and now I look

889
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:46,960
for it.

890
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of I'm kind of driven towards

891
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:50,760
conflict too.

892
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,599
Speaker 2: I get a little chubby with every comment.

893
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: I've kind of driven towards kin I just you know,

894
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,159
my hope is that people, you know, as time goes on,

895
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,119
people will learn and they learn like, oh, these things

896
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,920
kind of suck, they're not, you know. And also we

897
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,599
need to cherish our native pollinators and our native insects

898
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,519
because those are what evolved here and have connections to

899
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:12,159
all the plants and all the other cool things that

900
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:13,239
live out here.

901
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 4: So I think you're one hundred percent right, Joey, But

902
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,280
I honestly, as a realist, I don't have a lot

903
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,039
of confidence that people are going to get it.

904
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:23,159
Speaker 2: And I'll and I'll tell you why.

905
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: Look at look at the other be videos that are

906
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:29,960
out there, you know, the other the other you know,

907
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:33,360
content creators that are doing and stuff.

908
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:37,159
Speaker 2: What comes to mind is mister and Missus b Rescue.

909
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:37,960
That's one.

910
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like it's like fluffy videos like save the bees.

911
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: Well, she they're pretty awesome, they're pretty cool, but their

912
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,840
realities off the chain. But it's relocation. It's all hive relocation.

913
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,960
And I've heard them about a lot of misinformation.

914
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: You know what you could say, in our qualities nice,

915
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,960
I'd rather have two grizzled, gnarled bastards wearing bee suits

916
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,000
climbing into a fifth wheel trailer and ripping shit out.

917
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: We resemble that.

918
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,159
Speaker 1: That's my style. I don't want that wholesome Hallmark shit.

919
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,400
I want you guys. I want people who are going

920
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,480
to be fucking cursing people I can relate to.

921
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: You know, well, this is real life. We ain't acting.

922
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:16,159
Speaker 4: You know.

923
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: People ask us, my god, your content's so amazing? How

924
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,599
do you do it? So turn the camera and I'll

925
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:21,719
start swearing at bees.

926
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,599
Speaker 1: Well wait, wait, so this is it's the same thing

927
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:27,039
I do with plants, so except I'm really excited. But

928
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,440
so what do you guys when you guys got chased?

929
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,119
Can you can you break that down for how that happen?

930
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:36,079
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So we're in so and this has happened

931
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,840
more than once where I mean, it happens all the time.

932
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,360
Actually maybe not for six miles or ten miles, but

933
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,880
you know a mile or something that happens all the time.

934
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,239
So there's so much pheromone. We're we're soaking pheromone. And

935
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,559
the bees. We have seen hives that will remnant bees.

936
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,519
So we talk about remnant bees all the time. Which

937
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:56,119
are the bees left over from any removal? Now it's

938
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,159
like hurting cats you're not going to get all of them.

939
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,800
And you know, and I hide, and all of these

940
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,360
Africanized bees has one hundred thousands of goddamn things in it.

941
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,159
And so you know you've got you kill off eighty

942
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,280
percent of them. Great, you're still have twenty thousand bees

943
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:12,079
mad in the air looking for a fight. And so

944
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,920
we've seen them stay mad for up to two weeks

945
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,719
and I'm talking bouncing off the windshield mad days later. Well,

946
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,360
there we go. We're and I tell this to all

947
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,440
of our customers. They say, my god, they're so vicious

948
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,199
out there. How long am I going to have to

949
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,880
wait inside my house? And of course I always jokingly

950
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,679
say only two to three months. No, I'm just okay,

951
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:35,880
I'm fucking with them anyway. I tell them we are

952
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,440
the enemy. We smell like the enemy. Our suits are

953
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,239
saturated with attack pheromone. Maybe we've been stung, so we're

954
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:46,280
it's in our bloodstream, and they drip venom all over

955
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,920
the truck and everything. When we leave within twenty minutes

956
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,679
to an hour, it's gonna calm down a lot because

957
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,119
that attack pheromone is going to be gone. These bees

958
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,679
turn into white blood cells when the attack Pheromone is released.

959
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,639
And so once that attack, Pheromone is blown away by

960
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:08,800
the wind and we're we're no longer there. They're gonna

961
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,119
calm down a lot. Well, there's always a shitload of

962
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:15,719
them that will chase our trunck down. You know, a

963
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,280
lot of our roads are ten, five, ten, and fifteen

964
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,000
mile an hour roads because it's all dirt out here.

965
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:24,440
It's all the wild West, and it's all washboard and

966
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:26,920
it's painting the ass. So if we're on a highway

967
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,920
then we can pretty much outrun. But fifteen miles an

968
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,480
hour to none for them. So we will leave and

969
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,159
many customers will say, yeah, there was a cloud of

970
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:37,199
bees chasing your truck when you left.

971
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:41,159
Speaker 1: God damn, that's crazy. Man, that's good. So where do

972
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,599
they do when they finally give up and disperse, because

973
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,760
they need a queen to form a new high So

974
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:47,599
the remnant.

975
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: Bee and a good, really good point to bring up,

976
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,639
because remnant bees people, Oh my god, people get it

977
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:55,840
on our asses. Oh you're just letting them all go

978
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,400
so they can go start another high of the mirrorhad

979
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,719
Oh my god. Oh the big emergency is do anyway? Fuck,

980
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,599
it's just job security. So anyway, we see a hive

981
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,000
as an organism much like ourselves, with each bee being

982
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:11,679
a cell and the queen being the heart in the brain.

983
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,719
And so we always tell people that any of the

984
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,039
remnant bees that are left over, I mean, we never

985
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:18,880
see a queen bee. We don't give a shit. He

986
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:22,519
is just like your heart. And if your heart is

987
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:25,599
outside of your body, without your body, it cannot start

988
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:28,480
another body, it cannot live. So the same thing with

989
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:30,480
the queen bees. So we always tell people the remnant

990
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:33,239
bees are like an amputated limb. If your finger gets

991
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,159
locked off, you're gonna be fine. Your finger's not right,

992
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,639
So the analogy runs through. Most people do not realize

993
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:43,320
that every hive is an enemy of every other hive.

994
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,679
The only reason they visit each other is to steal honey.

995
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: Oh, so they're all fighting with each other too.

996
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:53,599
Speaker 2: Exactly fact. In fact, they will take over. They're very

997
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,920
keen to take over other hives. They're vikings. They're total

998
00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:59,400
vikings and hoarders.

999
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,519
Speaker 1: With to queen. They can't start a new hive, right so,

1000
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,119
but some of them larva, No.

1001
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,199
Speaker 2: They can't, so it will be same analogy. If your

1002
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,559
fingers lopped off, all right, And so you know, you've

1003
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:12,800
got eighty percent of your If your hand is lopped

1004
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,039
off or your arm, you're gonna be fine. Your arm,

1005
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,760
won't you still have? Your arm is twenty percent of

1006
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,079
your body. Well, if twenty percent of the bees are

1007
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:23,360
left over after a removal, they can't go start a

1008
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:26,239
new hive unless there's larva of the body.

1009
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,039
Speaker 1: Right, unless there's larva in one of them hatches, and

1010
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:28,719
then it's a queen.

1011
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,119
Speaker 2: Well, but that's not going to happen without the hive.

1012
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:35,360
We destroyed their trailer poper all right, Yeah, you take

1013
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,280
them out there? Yeah, we take all them is where

1014
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,679
the larva would be, Yeah, exactly, they don't carrying with them,

1015
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:42,039
you know.

1016
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1017
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: And also there's more on top of that of course.

1018
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,400
To finish up that thought though, can those remnant bees

1019
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:54,760
go join another hive? Your finger, if it's lopped off,

1020
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:57,519
cannot go join another human. I don't care how much

1021
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:02,199
stuck type you use. Yeah, okay, so they will die

1022
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,239
off over the coming days. Now. People always ask if

1023
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,800
a queen, if you go into a hive and kill

1024
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,079
a queen, just the queen, will that hive die? Yes,

1025
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:19,400
it will unless she has laid a fertilized egg. So

1026
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,760
this is fascinating shoes, just like sci fi. There are

1027
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,719
three types of bees in the hive. There's the queen,

1028
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,840
the worker bees, and the drones. Now the drones are

1029
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,079
the males, and they you never see one. They're big

1030
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:34,760
fat couch potatoes. They can't even feed themselves. They go

1031
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,800
from hide to hive. They're the only bees that can

1032
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,000
visit other hives. They'll walk in, get fed, and go

1033
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,480
out and they can't even sting. Their rear ms are

1034
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:45,199
only good for one thing. That's the mating life of bees.

1035
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,119
That's a whole other program. All't do later. So the

1036
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,400
worker bees are the ones that they call them that

1037
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,239
for a reason. They're the ones that do all the work.

1038
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,960
They go collect the nectar, they defend the hive, they

1039
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:59,360
do everything. And these are female, well they're undeveloped females.

1040
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,280
They're like repubescent, angry teens. Okay, all right, So the

1041
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,519
worker bees can lay eggs, but they can only lay

1042
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,320
unfertilized eggs. So you'd think, well, so what why what's

1043
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,280
an unfertilized egg?

1044
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:14,639
Speaker 3: Right?

1045
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, chicken lay's a nonfertilized egg. You

1046
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,760
got an omelet. You ain't got a chicken, right, Well, No,

1047
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,719
males are born from unfertilized eggs. Drones are born from

1048
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,719
unfertilized eggs. So the queen bee is the only one

1049
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,119
that is able to lay either or fertilized or unfertilized.

1050
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,480
So if she lays unfertilized eggs, males are born. This

1051
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:43,119
is at her discretion. If she lays fertilized eggs, females

1052
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,480
are born. And the only difference between a worker bee

1053
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,559
and a queen bee is what they're fed during pewpation.

1054
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:55,199
Oh wow, Okay, So a worker bee and a queen

1055
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,639
bee are fed royal jelly for their first week of pepation,

1056
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,639
and the queen bee is fed royal jelly throughout the

1057
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,679
rest of her pubation about three weeks something like that,

1058
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:10,960
and the worker bees are switched from royal jelly to honey.

1059
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:13,119
It stems the growth.

1060
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,039
Speaker 1: So worker bees could any of those could technically turn

1061
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:18,199
into a queen.

1062
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,559
Speaker 2: No, because they have not been fed royal jelly throughout

1063
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:25,440
their pupation.

1064
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,559
Speaker 4: So you know those queens, they show up inside special

1065
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,239
cells too, because she's bigger. She's bigger, right, so you

1066
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,599
just can't. It doesn't work everywhere. You got to have

1067
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,199
that queen cell in place. You got to have that larvae,

1068
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:43,039
and it's got to be consistently fed that royal jelly.

1069
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:44,199
Speaker 2: Pre planned is what it is.

1070
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,639
Speaker 1: Okay. So if you get the hive and you get

1071
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,280
the queen, it's over for them. They might survive for

1072
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:50,840
a little while.

1073
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,679
Speaker 2: We get the hive and we knocked down, you know,

1074
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,519
eighty percent of them, ninety percent of them. Even if

1075
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,840
there's a queen life, that doesn't make any difference because

1076
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,280
she cannot continue you on without the rest of the body.

1077
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:05,119
So it goes back to that analogy of she is

1078
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:07,559
the heart and soul of the matter. If your heart

1079
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,199
is removed, okay, if you're if you get into a

1080
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,440
bad accident and all this left is your heart and

1081
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:16,039
your arm, it can't start a new body.

1082
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: Right yeah, okay, okay, So what so like with what

1083
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,519
was it the plead the fifth video? This is an

1084
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,519
old trailer and did you guys get called back to that?

1085
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:27,400
What happened with this?

1086
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I would plead the fifth again? And so

1087
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,760
this is why we guarantee our work for two years.

1088
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So you kill a hive and it comes back

1089
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,440
to the same spot within two years. You'll go back

1090
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,159
there for free.

1091
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: Right, Well, well, no, dead things can't come back.

1092
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 4: It's a different dog, it's a it's a reinfestation.

1093
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,639
Speaker 1: Oh, from a different column of a different colony.

1094
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know that situation was such that it was

1095
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,760
real convoluted. We couldn't get all the honeycomb out on

1096
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,639
first pass. There were a few things going on, and

1097
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,760
so it was basically and we didn't spray the automotive

1098
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,519
undercoating in there because it was a housing for a Wait,

1099
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:10,119
let's set.

1100
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:10,599
Speaker 2: It up for people.

1101
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,039
Speaker 1: Let's set it up. Let's set it up for listeners.

1102
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,880
Full description. It's like a breaking bad style trailer out

1103
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,880
in the middle of the desert.

1104
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,639
Speaker 2: And you guys got who called you wastines? With the

1105
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:25,639
way those bees were moving, I'd say there was.

1106
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: I've been the Arizona, I know what it's like that.

1107
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,559
So what was what was who called you?

1108
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: It was the owner or it's always the owner that

1109
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,800
calls us, whether it's the BLM or the Feds of

1110
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,639
the state, or the rancher or whoever. So this guy

1111
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,719
had this fifth wheel that he was going to gut

1112
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,440
and turn into a I don't know, storage thing or

1113
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,280
whatever the hell it was. And he didn't get around

1114
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,639
to it, of course, and so these bees moved in

1115
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,920
through the It was an old pos fifth wheel trailer,

1116
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:57,719
and the bees moved in where the electrical cord would

1117
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,840
go in. You know, you pull out the electrical cord

1118
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,480
plug in your shore power or whatever. So the bees

1119
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:05,920
moved into the hole and in where the inverter is

1120
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,880
below the refrigerator. They built a massive hive and they

1121
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,079
had shown aggression, but not like when we showed up.

1122
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,440
And for some reason they just the The owner sat

1123
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,079
in his vehicle and all of a sudden, the bees

1124
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:23,719
just decided they didn't like anything. We never know about

1125
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,320
the timing of all. This didn't have anything to do

1126
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,119
with us, but they completely lit up the ocean. I

1127
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,800
had to drive I think it was like two miles

1128
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,159
away to get our suits on him. Oh so you didn't.

1129
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: You didn't roll up with your suits on. You were

1130
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,400
just drolling up to check it out at first.

1131
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're going to drive up and get our

1132
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:41,519
suits on and start the cameras and have a nice

1133
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:43,239
little video and a little chat with it. All of

1134
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:43,920
a sudden, they're like.

1135
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,199
Speaker 4: Whether the owner backed his car in in front of

1136
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,519
their front door of the flight path, and so he

1137
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:53,199
was in their flight path and they were already pissy

1138
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,719
and then and then he got out and then they

1139
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:56,679
chased him off.

1140
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:59,559
Speaker 2: He just based on him. Yeah, they stung me. And

1141
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:01,159
we had to drive down the road to put our

1142
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:01,559
suits on.

1143
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 4: So that's a frequent theme where where we put the

1144
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,360
suits on before arriving at the scene and also have

1145
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:11,880
to drive off after quite a way is sometimes up

1146
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,519
to ten miles away, or just wear the suit all.

1147
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: The way home, you know.

1148
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,199
Speaker 4: But yeah, then then we'll get out, we take the

1149
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,639
suit off. But I can't tell you how many times

1150
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,559
we pull away from a hive, get out, try to

1151
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:26,320
take the suit off, and we get attacked again.

1152
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 2: I got to get back in.

1153
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,159
Speaker 4: We'll go a little farther down the road, get out there.

1154
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:33,480
We're getting attacked again. We're not out of the range yet.

1155
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:37,079
Speaker 1: The common if this is just I just I like

1156
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:40,119
to think about masochistic thoughts sometimes sometimes I'll think about

1157
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:41,800
if I, you know, when I get sent the hell,

1158
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,039
what would it look like? You know, they'll be crape

1159
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:45,280
myrtles everywhere and.

1160
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,559
Speaker 2: We put them there.

1161
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:50,159
Speaker 1: Pat Poker in the ass, Michael Bolton playing on the

1162
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:50,960
loud speaker.

1163
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 4: You know.

1164
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:59,199
Speaker 1: Anyway, yeah nice right right, nice lawns everywhere horrible you know,

1165
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,920
just CEV as well well Fargo landscape.

1166
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,079
Speaker 4: No hell.

1167
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: But so this is so I got a masochistic mind.

1168
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,840
If you had a choice between getting tagged by a

1169
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,000
Western diamondback, but you can go to you're only twenty

1170
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:19,199
minutes from the hospital, versus getting attacked by bees and

1171
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,719
you're like twenty minutes from the trailhead, what would you

1172
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,519
you got to pick one of them? What would you pick?

1173
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: Pineapple up the ash?

1174
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: No, seriously, you think it's closed.

1175
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: I think i'd take the bees. But that's the devil,

1176
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,159
I know.

1177
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

1178
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,039
Speaker 2: And like I know, i'd know how to deal with

1179
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:42,119
the situation. Yeah, run run like fuck yeah, that's right,

1180
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,760
run fuck away, Diamondback. You know, we encounter them. You

1181
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,079
might have seen some videos where we come across them.

1182
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,320
We don't ever. We tried to never kill them unless

1183
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,039
they're coming at you.

1184
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no need there.

1185
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's no need. No, there's no need at all.

1186
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:59,239
Although I do have I got to tell you this, Joy,

1187
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,360
I have a great sipping for diamondback chili. Oh oh

1188
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,800
you know what the secret is that more chicken? Got?

1189
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, got you know. I remember I went to Arizona

1190
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,039
once with my mom when I was like seven, and

1191
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:16,480
it was like, hey, you could eat you could eat

1192
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:20,000
real rattlesteak, grilled rattlesteak, like some tourist thing. We went

1193
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,800
and did that. But the diamond but yeah, I mean,

1194
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,280
I just I know their their bite sucks and you're

1195
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,480
gonna have nerve pain for a while, but they're not aggressive.

1196
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:30,719
I mean I just saw them with my daughter like

1197
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,440
two days ago, fucking massive five footer and just she

1198
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:37,079
was super chill. She did she didn't. I think she

1199
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:40,719
thought she was more camouflaged than she was and probably

1200
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,719
thought we didn't see her, but we saw her. And anyway,

1201
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,239
but the bees, I mean, I guess the difference is

1202
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,159
the aggressiveness with the bees. And what tipping point do

1203
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,400
you start to worry about even if someone's not allergic,

1204
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:57,400
do you start to worry about like this person may

1205
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,159
not live? Like how many?

1206
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: The great mystery? You know, we talk about this a lot,

1207
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:07,039
and people I always say to like me, I've been

1208
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:10,760
stung thousands of times, just not all at once, and

1209
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:14,199
they say, oh, you must be immune. Well, you know,

1210
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,199
the analogy that I use is most people are not

1211
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,239
allergic to strawberries, but then they'll turn twenty eight or

1212
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,039
forty two and eat a strawberry and all of a

1213
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:27,679
sudden they're in the er. What the hell happened? With

1214
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,960
anaphylectic shot. And then there's that rare person that is

1215
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:34,519
allergic to strawberries from birth, very highly allergic, and they

1216
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,760
turn thirty two or fifty eight and accidentally eat a

1217
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,760
strawberry and everything's fine. What the hell happened? We don't know.

1218
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,679
You don't know. If you go get and go to

1219
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:49,519
the doctor and get the scratch test for allergies, they

1220
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:52,519
will tell you, okay, you are not allergic to this

1221
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,880
right now. Yeah, you know, you don't know when that

1222
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:02,039
next uh, you know, a piece of bread you eat,

1223
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,559
you're gonna have gluten intolerance. You don't know. You don't

1224
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,800
know what's gonna happen in the next second. So that's

1225
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,239
always a great mystery, and why we always take benadrula

1226
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:15,360
if we've gotten stung, because it might be our last sting.

1227
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,239
Speaker 4: But it's true, it's true at any point that the

1228
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:21,039
sands could run out. You know. There was a guy

1229
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:25,039
that worked for Reid for many years, alongside him for

1230
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:28,239
many years, and uh, and he's a he's a good friend,

1231
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,199
but he you know, he got stung. I mean it

1232
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,199
comes with the job. You're gonna get stung, right, That's

1233
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,920
just part of it. So he you know, he went

1234
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,840
for years getting taken stings here and there, doing the work,

1235
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,159
taking stings here and there, and then one day he

1236
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:41,800
got stung.

1237
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: And he went a day in a plaxis. Yeah, and

1238
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:50,320
so I I called the ambulance and he was he

1239
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,119
was turning blue. Man. I've known this guy forever. He

1240
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:56,519
used to fly, uh, you know, a puddle Jumpers air

1241
01:00:56,639 --> 01:00:58,599
taxi in Alaska. I mean, the guy's a tough son,

1242
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:01,760
aim bitch. And so he's he's like, I don't feel well.

1243
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:06,239
And so the ambulance got there and uh and they

1244
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,320
said you have an EPIP and I said, oh, fucky,

1245
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,880
I got one in the trucks. I grabbed it and

1246
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,039
he's on the gurney and I jabbed him in the

1247
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,599
thigh and he didn't have a lot of meat on him,

1248
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:22,239
and I hit the bone Joey, I hit his femur

1249
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:26,400
and he was. I think it saved his life because

1250
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:31,239
he sat up and went, I'm not going to kill you.

1251
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:38,920
It woke his ass right up. The adrenaline was there. Joey. Afterwards,

1252
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,360
the EMTs and we were all laughing because they were like,

1253
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:44,440
you saved his life. I pulled that damn needle out.

1254
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,920
It bent the needle in his femur.

1255
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: Ah Jesus Christ, Well, this is this is autoimmune. I

1256
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,639
mean that's you know, anathletic shops honestly, like an allergic reaction.

1257
01:01:56,719 --> 01:02:00,440
It's autoimmune. But I mean the venom itself, whether you're

1258
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,320
allergic or not, is still it's still a toxic. It's

1259
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,440
still a toxic, and I don't know much about it.

1260
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, five hundred stings is a rattlesnake bite.

1261
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:13,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, that's crazy.

1262
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: That's and you've got a hundred thousand of them in

1263
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,480
a high and they all want to fuck you.

1264
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:20,639
Speaker 1: So five hundreds Yeah, Like five hundred stings is a

1265
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:22,800
good threshold where you're now you're studying the worry. Even

1266
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,599
if someone's not allergic. That okay, this is we need

1267
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:26,440
to get into the mark.

1268
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:28,599
Speaker 4: But you know what, there's been people they get stung

1269
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:32,880
forty times and die or once you know. Yeah, So

1270
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:37,880
it's really case dependent. It's person a person, and it's

1271
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,840
person to person day to day. It's a it's a

1272
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:41,719
moving target.

1273
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: So we don't know, we don't know. You know that

1274
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,880
I've taken with with these bees in pretty much all

1275
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,199
aspects of them that people want me to, you know,

1276
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,960
tell them how they're going to behave, what makes sense

1277
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,360
about them. But the only thing that I can be

1278
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:58,679
absolutely sure of is that I'm unsure. And the only

1279
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,599
thing that I can predict the certainty is that it's unpredictable.

1280
01:03:03,519 --> 01:03:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking at I just looked it up.

1281
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:10,639
It says key components of b venom melatin. This is

1282
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:13,599
the main pain causing agent. It destroys red blood cells

1283
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:18,239
and mass cells, triggering inflammation. That's not surprising. It's also

1284
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,719
the component that can cause long term tissue damage in

1285
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,440
high doses. Jesus, it is like fucking rattlesnake venom at

1286
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,440
a certain point. Phosphola pase a two. This is the

1287
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:31,400
primary allergy and a major reason beastings can be lethal.

1288
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,199
It works in concert with melatin to break down cell membranes.

1289
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:36,079
That doesn't sound good.

1290
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:38,159
Speaker 2: It's also the it's interesting.

1291
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,039
Speaker 4: What's interesting about it though, is that in low doses,

1292
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:47,360
if you're not allergic, low doses, it's really healthy. In fact,

1293
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,079
for a long time. And I don't know if this

1294
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:52,079
stat still holds true, but it was beekeepers in the

1295
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:56,800
Caucasus Mountains that had the longest life span measurable life

1296
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,119
span amongst humans on Earth. They just they were The

1297
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,320
number of centenarians that were coming out of that population

1298
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:08,480
was was really really high. So occasional b venom there's

1299
01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:11,880
a component called appenin in the like apist, you know,

1300
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,840
but appenin in the b venom that is a neurotoxin,

1301
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,599
but in small doses can do things like reverse sparkins

1302
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:24,280
in's and and you know, cure arthritis and MS and

1303
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,079
all of this kind of stuff. So you know, more,

1304
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,320
more research has to be done. Yeah, because it's potentially medicine.

1305
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:34,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I'm sure it's like anything. It's a

1306
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,039
you know, it's a fine line between medicine and poison.

1307
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,360
But that I didn't know that it was high doses

1308
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,320
like that. I mean, yeah, it just it starts breaking

1309
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,360
down cell membranes. That's fucked up. Yeah, you know, so

1310
01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:50,800
what is that what do you think is the most

1311
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:55,239
the gnarliest, the gnarliest call you've ever gone to? Where

1312
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,360
these things were they had killed other animals maybe, or

1313
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,360
they were just there was so many of them, or

1314
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,679
what I mean, is there one that stands out?

1315
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,119
Speaker 2: Oh, that incident at the Alfredo High School wasn't very good.

1316
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear about this.

1317
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:12,719
Speaker 2: You know, So we were it was last last summer

1318
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,199
and it is the worst thing the incident to this

1319
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,039
day in the world. With Coaches County, we love to

1320
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:19,719
set records and keep them, you know what I mean.

1321
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:24,480
So anyway, we're we were over in No Gallas rescuing

1322
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:28,880
Homeland Security customers and bordered camera powers. We were up

1323
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,639
on them, and we get a call from a sheriff's

1324
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:34,639
deputy over here. And No Gallas is about two hours

1325
01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:38,159
away in another county, Santa Cruz County, And so we

1326
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:39,840
get a call from a deputy and he says, when

1327
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,639
can you get over to the Alfrida High School. Alfrida

1328
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,880
is a small rural town out here. We're a pretty

1329
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,599
good sized high school because they draw kids, farm kids

1330
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:51,679
and rants kids from all over the county and over

1331
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,239
that part of the county. Anyway, So I said, what

1332
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,000
the hell is going on? He said, I have twenty

1333
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,519
one students attacked and stung right now, with a little

1334
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:05,320
girl in the hospital. Jeez, man, and I said, I said,

1335
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,760
Jesus man, we're it's going to take us four hours.

1336
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,960
We got to get down off these camera towers and

1337
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,719
get these guys wrapped up for Homeland Security and the FAA,

1338
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:16,360
and then we'll head over there. He said, of course,

1339
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:19,039
you know, like like they always ask us, any any

1340
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:22,079
first responders, what do we do? How do we you know?

1341
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,159
I said, you got to shut that school down, put

1342
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:28,559
up caution tape, and don't get stung yourself, and administer

1343
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,320
for a state of course, close that school down primarily,

1344
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,920
and block off the street and all that good ship

1345
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:37,360
and stay if you can. He said, I'll stay unless

1346
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,880
I get a call. Of course, he's a first responder,

1347
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:43,000
he's on call like we are. So we get over

1348
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:46,519
there and the bees are absolutely nuts. I mean, they're

1349
01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:50,920
just nobody's around. Of course, the principal and some teachers

1350
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,119
were huddled in the office hiding, and we get there

1351
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,480
and we had we had to go put our suits

1352
01:06:56,519 --> 01:06:58,320
on ways away and get on that one. But the

1353
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,360
bees are completely nuts. And we proceeded that we didn't

1354
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,599
even know where the hide was. We had to locate them.

1355
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,679
They were in a tree. We knew that out in

1356
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:09,000
front of the school. Well, it turned out that they

1357
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:11,239
were in a hole, coming and going out of about

1358
01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:13,880
a two inch diameter hole about fifteen feet up in

1359
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,559
this tree. And it turns out, after a lot of questioning,

1360
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:22,480
but the reason they lit up was some of the

1361
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:27,400
little boys were throwing rocks at them. So as we do,

1362
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:29,480
there's not enough chlorine in the gene pool.

1363
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, that throwing rocks at a beehive.

1364
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,280
When you're a kid, it's in the manual.

1365
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:41,039
Speaker 2: You think you can get away. You know, you don't

1366
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:42,639
have to do it. It's in the manual, but you

1367
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:43,440
don't have to do it.

1368
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,039
Speaker 1: You think you can get away. I mean, kids do

1369
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:49,599
incredibly stupid shit. That's just part of being a kid.

1370
01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:52,639
But certainly, you know, yeah, there's yeah, you got to

1371
01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:55,159
teach your kids not to stick forks in electric sockets.

1372
01:07:58,039 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: But here's the dilemma.

1373
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, Uh, Chris Pratt came out with a

1374
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:06,159
video a while ago he got he got fucked up

1375
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:10,440
by bees, and he actually came out and publicly blamed

1376
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:15,159
a girl in Texas who for a long time really

1377
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,119
had quite a reputation online. She was even on Joe

1378
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:19,000
Rogan and stuff.

1379
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: Oh I know her, Yeah I can't. It's another day,

1380
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,560
you know what, it is, another day of saving the bees.

1381
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 4: But Chris Pratt, they he got all stung up and

1382
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:35,880
he came out publicly and said she is disingenuous and

1383
01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:38,199
she is hurting people with this information.

1384
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 2: Now she's not the only one.

1385
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 4: There's this this be relocation bullshit all over social media

1386
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,840
all over the place. We don't we don't get the

1387
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,199
kind of numbers they get, you know, we don't get

1388
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:51,760
the kind of numbers they get. That. This is why

1389
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,359
I said, it's a problem. So people are watching this

1390
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,399
ship and that, like I said, millions of followers. They're

1391
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doing way better than well.

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Speaker 1: It's a nice it's a nice, feel good, wholesomer story

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that doesn't involve killing anything. And it feels good to watch.

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,079
And I know, and there's no bad language. There's no

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01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:12,960
bad language, there's no bad.

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Speaker 2: But it's deadly. It's dangerous.

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01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 4: This kind of thing, right, it lulls people into this

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:24,239
bizarre these bizarre ideas about honey bees and and consistently,

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01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:28,439
I promise you these people are not posting aggressive hives.

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Speaker 2: And there's other carny stuff.

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01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 1: I'd love to show him some of the few hives

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01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,199
I've had them as fortune to encounter. Or my friend

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01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,079
Kyle who was out looking for fucking milk snakes in

1404
01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:44,279
South Texas and got attacked. Or my friend Ken King,

1405
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,359
well known botanists down here, who got attacked and thought

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01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:49,640
he was going to die. He just laid down at

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01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,640
one point and gave He's like, they're not I can't

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01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,680
get away, and I forget what happened. I think he

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01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,720
had he had prior exposure from working some line of

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01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,039
work he did that put him in uh, and he

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01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:05,479
got stung a bunch before, and so he had like

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01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,000
prior his immune system didn't overreact. But uh, but he

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01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,239
thought he told me, I mean, he's like, I thought

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that was it. I thought, I thought this is lights

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out because this is it was just so intense and

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,680
he wasn't able to get away. And so but he survived.

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01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,399
Speaker 2: And we hear that daily. Yeah, we hear that daily

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01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,479
now and people call us, of course, but also you

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01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,720
know comments, We get hundreds of comments I mean, we're

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01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:33,359
we're some of the few content creators that actually answer comments.

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01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,119
I spend a couple of hours. I'm up at four

1422
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:38,199
every morning, and you know, get the ranch shores done,

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01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,800
and I'll spend a couple of hours answering comments. We

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01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,880
hired a local gall in town to help answering comments,

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01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,920
beild the same goddamn comments over and over. You know,

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01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,920
why don't you smoke? Why don't you do it at night?

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01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,119
Don't come here and relocating smoke? What is so?

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01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,159
Speaker 1: What do you recommend if someone I mean, obviously, if

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01:10:56,199 --> 01:10:58,079
someone's in southern ariazont I can call you. But if

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01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:01,159
if someone you know, hundred miles away from you, guys,

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01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:03,119
you guys can't make it out there, what do you

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01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:05,640
recommend they do? Because some of these guys charge a

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01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,760
ship ton of money and they're not going to be

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01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,560
They're going to try to relocate it or they're going

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01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,119
to you don't know what they're going to do, right,

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01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:12,239
So it's a tough one.

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01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:14,039
Speaker 2: It really is a tough one because there is no

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01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:16,720
The only thing we can tell people is this is

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,199
not a DIY situation. Uh, you got to you got

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01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:22,760
to have a pro out. But the problem is in

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01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,479
the rest of the country that that pro is most

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,640
likely a beekeeper. Now, this happened up in Scottsdale this

1443
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,880
summer where there were hot There was a hive up

1444
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,920
in a stucco building on a senior center, an assisted

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01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,199
living center, and they wanted to remove the hive, and

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01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:41,439
so the beekeeper, to make it easier for himself, sent

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01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,399
up a crew of three guys to remove the stucco

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01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,399
to expose the hive so he could remove them. Well,

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01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,640
that costs one man is life.

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01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 4: God, This guy, Nick Soto, Nicholas Soto was his name,

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01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:00,199
That was in Scottsdale just a couple of months ago.

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01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,359
Speaker 2: Very sad. Wait he called.

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01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,319
Speaker 1: Did he tell where they wearing? They weren't wearing bee suits?

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01:12:05,399 --> 01:12:08,840
He told these guys to remove the stucco and just no,

1455
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:09,279
and they.

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01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:12,319
Speaker 2: Were stuck in a lift. So he's stuck in a lift.

1457
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 1: And did he get charged with manslaughter or anything or what?

1458
01:12:17,239 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 2: We don't know yet. We don't know yet.

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01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 1: That's terrible. That is so fucked man, God.

1460
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,279
Speaker 2: Winnie the pool glasses man, Yeah.

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01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,399
Speaker 1: Did he tell them that it wasn't? I mean, how

1462
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,640
did you how do you convince someone to do that? Though,

1463
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,079
that's what I wonder, like, did he have to?

1464
01:12:33,319 --> 01:12:35,520
Speaker 4: But again, remember they're just honey bees and all this

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,000
trash floating around the internet about relocation and aren't they sweet?

1466
01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:42,479
And it was another day of saving the bees that

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that ship's dangerous.

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Speaker 1: She really does end her videos like that, She said,

1469
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:52,359
another day of saving the bees. Just so grating.

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01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,319
Speaker 2: Man. It's like, it's pretty nay to say something different.

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01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:57,079
Speaker 1: Say something different for you don't have to say it's

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01:12:57,079 --> 01:12:59,680
another day of saving the bees. Stop saying saying that,

1473
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:03,680
Say something else. That's her brand, saving the.

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01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 2: Bees, you know, the entire there's a women's beekeeping Association

1475
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,039
of Texas and they all ganged up on her because

1476
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:14,840
of the disinformation that she's putting out and they put

1477
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,720
out videos and all that, and of course they don't

1478
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,800
have the cloud that she has as far as they're

1479
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,079
not getting on Rogan, let's put it that way. And

1480
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,520
they came out against her what she's doing because of

1481
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,319
the danger the people that you know, she's putting people

1482
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:30,760
in danger, is what it is. So the problem with

1483
01:13:31,079 --> 01:13:34,359
there's two types of beekeepers. There are the big boys,

1484
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:37,800
the professionals they are. Did you know that the honeybees

1485
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,720
are classified as livestock in the United States. They're classified

1486
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,359
as livestock because that's what they are. They're invasive species,

1487
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,079
and they're classified as livestock. Now, if you've got the

1488
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:51,119
only thing that they're good for is big agriculture and monocropping.

1489
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,479
If you've got a thousand acres of almonds, you need

1490
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,359
honeybees for pollination. They're vikings and hoarders and they go

1491
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,239
in and focus on one type of neck or they

1492
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:02,479
don't have any relationship with that flower, and they're gonna

1493
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,600
get enough pollination done so you get a crop. All right,

1494
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:10,359
all right, So these bees, the big boys, they know

1495
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,720
what they're doing. They're the professionals. They raise them. They're

1496
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,399
like livestock razors. They're like horse people. They're like people

1497
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,359
that breed exotic cats or dogs. They know what they're doing.

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01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,239
They breed their own queens. They are the ones that

1499
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:25,920
haul them across the country for pollination. Let's leave it

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01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,920
to them. You know what the real problem is is

1501
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:32,039
the backyard beekeeper, because they think they know what they're doing.

1502
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,680
And that's what happened to this guy that lost his

1503
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,079
life in Scottsdale. The beekeeper who thought he knew what

1504
01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:41,680
he was doing, sent them up there to remove the

1505
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,920
stucco from that wall, so to expose the hive so

1506
01:14:45,039 --> 01:14:48,680
that he could go relocate the bees, and the hive.

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01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:50,840
He sent that man to his death.

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01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:53,279
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing is, if you're just a

1509
01:14:53,399 --> 01:14:57,840
backyard beekeeper, how do you prevent it from being infested

1510
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,880
with the scoot al outa hybrid stop?

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01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah you can't.

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01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:05,399
Speaker 4: Well you got to requeen. You gotta be real diligent

1513
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,920
about re cleaning. But that only solves one particular problem,

1514
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:12,119
if in fact, it solves it. So so you know,

1515
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,880
when's she gonna when's she gonna go on her mating flight?

1516
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,960
Are you going to put a swarm excluder on the

1517
01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:20,239
high of Like there's there's there's a lot to that.

1518
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,239
But that said, let's pretend that that's a remedy. And

1519
01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:26,680
I do know people who are re cleening in this area. However,

1520
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:30,920
it's risky. What you're gonna do is, theoretically you're going

1521
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,960
to prevent that queen from from getting that African DNA

1522
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:37,880
in her and spreading it, you know, through the high

1523
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,640
the africanized DNA. So that works, but what you're never

1524
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,920
going to prevent and we saw it here in the gulch.

1525
01:15:44,039 --> 01:15:47,960
There's a great video from about three or four years.

1526
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:54,279
Speaker 2: Ago World War Bee. We called it if it's pinned,

1527
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,000
it's pinned on TikTok. But you've got a third generation

1528
01:15:57,239 --> 01:16:02,479
bee keeper who keeping bees. One hive and her hive.

1529
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:03,560
She didn't know it.

1530
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 4: Her hive got invaded by Africanized honey bees. They killed

1531
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,079
all her bees and they moved in.

1532
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:11,319
Speaker 2: It took a month.

1533
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 4: It took her a month to figure out something was wrong,

1534
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,800
and by the time she did, it was too late,

1535
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,600
because you know, they look identical.

1536
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: They were everywhere then, and it was a really aggressive hive.

1537
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 4: That hive blew up. She went to adjust something on

1538
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,880
the box. The hive blew up, and it was putting

1539
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,039
people in the hospital all up and down the gulf.

1540
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:35,319
Speaker 2: They were attacking seven hundred and fifty yard radius. When

1541
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:39,239
we got there, there were let's see, what was thirteen

1542
01:16:39,319 --> 01:16:43,039
people stung in two in the hospital. And when we

1543
01:16:43,239 --> 01:16:46,359
showed up about this is about four about four hundred

1544
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:49,680
yards from that one hive, which was out her back door,

1545
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:53,039
about four hundred yards away down in the gulch, a

1546
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:55,079
cop is running the other way and He just looked

1547
01:16:55,079 --> 01:16:56,520
at me and said, could you get rid of these

1548
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,840
goddamn bees please? He had no suiting, running for his silks,

1549
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,039
you know. And so we go up there, and what

1550
01:17:03,359 --> 01:17:07,520
really is interesting is what she said. Wow, now she

1551
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,880
had a suit, and of course we had our suits.

1552
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,039
We were all dolled up. But we're walking up to

1553
01:17:14,119 --> 01:17:17,279
kill her hive and and mitigate the threat. And what

1554
01:17:17,399 --> 01:17:19,359
did she say to you? Oh, she told me that

1555
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:23,560
Reid was a fear monger. Wild bees. Wild bees.

1556
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,560
Speaker 4: Now these people, you know, this is old water down here.

1557
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,640
You know, these people have known each other for years

1558
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,399
and years and years, you know. So yeah, yeah, she

1559
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:32,880
had the nerve to say.

1560
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:33,079
Speaker 2: That to me.

1561
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 4: He's he's a fear monger. Now it's crazy, wile, that's

1562
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,880
what we're talking about. This is while her fucking bees

1563
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,720
are putting people in the hospital. He's a fear monger.

1564
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:49,760
We unbelievable. So what is I'll give you one worse.

1565
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:55,840
The story continues. Two years later, a friend of ours

1566
01:17:57,319 --> 01:18:00,439
had a friend who was house sitting for her, and

1567
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,680
he commented to our friend how much he was joined

1568
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,119
sitting out by the bee box. She never told him

1569
01:18:07,159 --> 01:18:07,680
that they had.

1570
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:08,159
Speaker 2: Blown up.

1571
01:18:10,359 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 4: Do you understand what I'm saying there is two years later,

1572
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:17,159
she's got somebody house sitting for her, and he's sitting

1573
01:18:17,239 --> 01:18:21,039
out there by this bee box and just loving the bees.

1574
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:23,239
Speaker 1: At no point, at no point did she say, hey,

1575
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:24,039
watch out.

1576
01:18:24,039 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: They you know, disclose anything to him.

1577
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: So they but at this point they had gone back

1578
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:31,399
to being mostly the European hybrid.

1579
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 2: They were they were dead. We killed that hive, and

1580
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,560
she simply got another hive.

1581
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,560
Speaker 1: Oh not without warning the guy that it could also

1582
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:40,720
happen again, that it could.

1583
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: Best of the neighborhood. There were people within thirty feet

1584
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:46,520
in every direction.

1585
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: So it really is a taking time. You can be

1586
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,600
you could be keeping a hive, it can get overtaken

1587
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,960
by the Scutolata hybrid and it'll get Africanized without you

1588
01:18:56,119 --> 01:18:59,960
even knowing it. And then suddenly you're just getting attacked, exactly.

1589
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 2: And it happens daily down at least down here, and

1590
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,399
definitely in the desert southwest. And you know, this is

1591
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,960
why I say the two types of beekeepers, the big boys.

1592
01:19:08,399 --> 01:19:10,680
Leave it to them, they're the professionals. Let them do

1593
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,840
their breeding, let them do their pollination. Honey Bees in

1594
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:18,119
the Americas are only good for big agriculture and monocropping

1595
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:23,119
and the small beekeeper. That's what we don't need. You

1596
01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:26,760
cannot they're invasive because you can't. It's you can't keep

1597
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:27,880
them in your backyard.

1598
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,399
Speaker 1: They're hard, they're hard to contain, especially now it's I mean, yeah,

1599
01:19:31,399 --> 01:19:34,119
it's not just like backyard chickens, you know, it's like

1600
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,560
your little cottage core thing going on. Let me keep these,

1601
01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:41,119
you know. The thing is the thing though, that that

1602
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,039
because you had said, you know, they're necessary for polina,

1603
01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:47,239
and I'm kind of curious, like, but are they? I mean,

1604
01:19:47,319 --> 01:19:48,479
what if for like.

1605
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,520
Speaker 2: Native only big agriculture.

1606
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:55,199
Speaker 1: Couldn't native bees be used just by planting the habitat

1607
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:58,479
like strips of native plant habitat in between some of

1608
01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:59,439
the big egg fields.

1609
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: Okay, the native bee thing for food pollination only work

1610
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:08,720
because people lived in the Americas for tens of thousands

1611
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:13,479
of years without honeybees. Right, yeah, all right, native pollinators

1612
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,600
only work if everyone has a backyard garden.

1613
01:20:17,039 --> 01:20:19,199
Speaker 1: You've got to have a lot of biodiversity and you've

1614
01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:21,560
got the habitat the native plants. Yeah, you've got you

1615
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,439
keep the native plants around that they need, you know,

1616
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:25,239
because they don't.

1617
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 2: Do the high standardize. You go into any whole foods

1618
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,279
in the country and they're going to have the same

1619
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:36,199
damn strawberries and blueberries as everybody else because of monocropping.

1620
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: Right, But that's something and this is kind of related

1621
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,520
we're talking about. But you know that that could be

1622
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,760
a way for for the future if the honeybee thing

1623
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:48,000
becomes too much of a cluster fuck. Is just you know, Yeah,

1624
01:20:48,079 --> 01:20:50,399
you can have native pollinators pony stuff. You just have

1625
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,840
to keep strips of land available for them. You know,

1626
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,159
you have to keep in between the field I keep. Yeah,

1627
01:20:58,199 --> 01:20:59,560
I mean that's good.

1628
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 4: Given their particular needs. I'm not sure that to keep

1629
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,479
up I think you know. Here's here's the thing too, though,

1630
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,479
the the importance of honey bees is often overstated.

1631
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:12,119
Speaker 2: Correct.

1632
01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 4: So there's this business of every three bites of your

1633
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:19,239
food comes from honey bees, right, and give thanks and worship,

1634
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,800
lie down and worship the provider.

1635
01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 2: Okay, but in addition, okay, but see, here's the thing.

1636
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:33,119
Speaker 4: Conservative estimates seven percent yield increase on crops, seven percent

1637
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:34,399
yielding norain.

1638
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 2: No grain is pollinated, right honey.

1639
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,199
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, grasses are all wind polinated. Yeah, totally yep,

1640
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:40,760
none of it.

1641
01:21:41,319 --> 01:21:45,119
Speaker 2: Most nuts are not only almonds, pecans and pistachios.

1642
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, and grains are like the major food crop,

1643
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:49,920
that's the major.

1644
01:21:50,119 --> 01:21:53,199
Speaker 2: That's what people are mostly eating. Yeah. Alfalfa is not

1645
01:21:53,319 --> 01:21:55,840
pollinated by honey bees unless you're letting it go to seed.

1646
01:21:56,279 --> 01:21:58,560
But they raise alfalfa out here in ranch country for

1647
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,800
animal feed for you know, to feed the cows and horses.

1648
01:22:02,279 --> 01:22:05,000
None of that. It needs to be pollinated unless you're

1649
01:22:05,039 --> 01:22:06,960
letting it go to seed for a seed crop.

1650
01:22:07,119 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 4: So we're non essential crops that are being pollinated by.

1651
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,039
Speaker 1: Where does all this yeah, where does all this bullshit

1652
01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:15,479
about the honeybees, you know, are saving humanity? Where's all

1653
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:16,079
this come from?

1654
01:22:16,279 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: Lobby lobbies, lobbies, lobbyists, big money. That's a it's a

1655
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,039
billion dollar industry, billion dollar industry.

1656
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,079
Speaker 1: I mean because I like honey too, but I could

1657
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:26,760
do without it, you know, I mean.

1658
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 2: I really exactly.

1659
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:32,119
Speaker 1: I mean without it, We're not getting rid of them.

1660
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:33,239
Speaker 2: They're not going away.

1661
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 4: You know.

1662
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 2: People ask us, especially with the Africanized honeybee, if this

1663
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,000
is a war we can ever win. No, it's not.

1664
01:22:39,319 --> 01:22:42,039
We'll never win this war. But we have to win

1665
01:22:42,319 --> 01:22:46,119
every battle because this is a job that Hosh and

1666
01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:49,720
I can fail at once, because then we're dead.

1667
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about verroamites? Do those are those?

1668
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 4: Oh?

1669
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 2: They don't care. I used to when I used to

1670
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,000
have hives up here by the tunnel, and my hives

1671
01:22:58,079 --> 01:23:01,119
became Africanized, and I couldn't go down and drink a

1672
01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:03,720
bottle of wine with them anymore without a suit. I

1673
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,199
had to suit up just to go within one hundred

1674
01:23:06,279 --> 01:23:08,520
yards of them. I used to go out and watch

1675
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,079
my Africanized bees pick mites off of each other and

1676
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:14,800
take the mites out and drop them in the field.

1677
01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: These greasy what the fuck?

1678
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 4: You know?

1679
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 2: No shit, No, these bees were bred for two primary reasons.

1680
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,880
They were. The South African honey bee was known to

1681
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,399
be an excellent producer of honey and very disease resistant.

1682
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:32,560
So European honeybees and jungle conditions in Brazil were sickly.

1683
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,960
They are anyway. European honey bees are sickly. You got

1684
01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:37,439
to read bedtime stories to them and all that shit,

1685
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,319
and so they're very sickly. And they don't produce a

1686
01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:42,439
lot of honey in jungle conditions. So they cross bread

1687
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,960
them and they got what they wanted. They got a

1688
01:23:45,119 --> 01:23:50,399
very highly productive, insanely diseased resistant honeybee. But they didn't

1689
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,319
know they were going to get franken b Yeah.

1690
01:23:53,399 --> 01:23:55,600
Speaker 1: The aggressiveness, the aggressiveness, and.

1691
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,159
Speaker 2: It's gotten worse. It's gotten worse over the years. Every

1692
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:01,640
year now we have to up our game every job

1693
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,079
that we go into. We have no idea how much

1694
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:09,239
more their aggression level is. They have increased their numbers

1695
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,520
of swarms, so they put out So swarming is nature's

1696
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,800
way of propagating the area with bees. You've got a

1697
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,920
hive of one hundred thousand bees, ten percent of them

1698
01:24:17,039 --> 01:24:18,720
take off, go find a new place to live. You

1699
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,680
still have your old hive. European hives would do that

1700
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,479
five or six times a year. Left of their own

1701
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,359
device is africanized thirty times a year per hive. I

1702
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,039
used to watch my hives swarm once a week.

1703
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:34,159
Speaker 1: They spread that quickly. They'll sun thirty. It's like sending

1704
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:35,880
thirty offsets out everything.

1705
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 2: That's great, that's correct. Yeah, they're just throwing shit at

1706
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,800
the wall to see what sticks. And I really they're

1707
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,680
going they're moving north. They're north. There north.

1708
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 4: It's only a matter of time before the North is

1709
01:24:48,119 --> 01:24:50,720
saturated just a matter of time.

1710
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,600
Speaker 2: This isn't you they're a better bee, They're a better bee. Yeah,

1711
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,880
they're just better. They're better ye honeybees.

1712
01:24:57,239 --> 01:25:01,079
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wherever European honeybees can thrive or can survive, these

1713
01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:01,800
bees thrive.

1714
01:25:02,399 --> 01:25:05,239
Speaker 1: So basically we're I mean, is there going to be

1715
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:09,920
a point that which the European ecotype of domestic beekeeping

1716
01:25:10,119 --> 01:25:12,680
is not really available anymore? You think? Is that possible?

1717
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 4: I mean, if the system crashes, you know, I mean

1718
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,239
up until then though, they're just raising their own queens

1719
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:21,279
and taking care of anything, you.

1720
01:25:21,359 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: Know, but left. Let's put it this way.

1721
01:25:23,039 --> 01:25:26,560
Speaker 4: You know, like if civilization, for whatever reason, dries up

1722
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:30,680
in the Western hemisphere, these bees are going to take

1723
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:31,640
over everything.

1724
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,079
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they would everything, everything would be.

1725
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 4: And in a thousand years, in a thousand years, these

1726
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:37,560
bees will be here.

1727
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's just natural selection. They're just the

1728
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,720
best at its surviving ecologically the most ecologically successful.

1729
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah they are. They're man made, they're created,

1730
01:25:49,359 --> 01:25:51,079
they don't belong on the planet, and yet they're the

1731
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:53,840
most successful. You know, there's a lot of man made

1732
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,560
stuff that's going to stick around for a long time. Yeah.

1733
01:25:57,279 --> 01:25:58,520
You know plastic, the.

1734
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,199
Speaker 1: Layer of microplastic that.

1735
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're talking about my sense of humor. That's

1736
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,199
going to stick around for decades.

1737
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: Well before okay, so before we dip out that, I

1738
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,680
want to ask, so, how did how did you guys

1739
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,319
both get started in all of this?

1740
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 2: Well, personally, I used to drink heavy okay, no anyway, No, actually, Joey,

1741
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,640
I'm a home brewer. I'm a need okay or honeywine.

1742
01:26:27,079 --> 01:26:29,520
I have bottles of mead that I made thirty years ago.

1743
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 1: So the booze is the booze. How you got into

1744
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:33,520
keeping bees.

1745
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 2: That's how I got into everything. Come on, you know

1746
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:37,520
I'm from North Oh.

1747
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, oh, I know you guys up there.

1748
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,800
Holy shit. I wrote in the Milwaukee once. I took

1749
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,560
a freight train the Milwaukee once. Yeah, I wrote. I

1750
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,640
wrote a freight train in the Milwaukee once. And it

1751
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,880
was Octoberfest. The whole fucking town was inebriated. There were people,

1752
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,119
there were cars pulling over just south of downtown so

1753
01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:56,439
people could puke on this, you know, into the gutters.

1754
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 2: It was when you said, when you said the whole

1755
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,560
time was inebriated. My first thought was, how could you tell.

1756
01:27:03,039 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, this was more so

1757
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:07,239
than usual.

1758
01:27:07,399 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, ice fishing is real.

1759
01:27:10,039 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: But so okay, so you so you got into that's

1760
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,640
so that the meat is what guy you into being.

1761
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: I thought it would be all romantic back in the

1762
01:27:17,239 --> 01:27:19,039
I was a young buck and I came to Bisbee

1763
01:27:19,079 --> 01:27:22,039
in eighty one and and I, you know, made friends

1764
01:27:22,079 --> 01:27:24,520
with a lot of folks quick. Bisbee was the wild West,

1765
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:26,560
even more so back then because the minds had just

1766
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,680
closed and I was just a bunch of outlaws, and

1767
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,800
it was it was so much fun, Oh my god. Pleasant. Yeah, well, yeah, okay,

1768
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:34,520
from what I remember, I had a great time. The

1769
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,680
officer said, I had a blast.

1770
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: From what I remember. That's okay, that's nice. I like

1771
01:27:40,079 --> 01:27:41,520
how the story is progressing, keep going.

1772
01:27:43,319 --> 01:27:46,159
Speaker 2: It's all true, brother, it's all true. So I thought,

1773
01:27:46,199 --> 01:27:48,359
wouldn't it be romantic? Bad my own bees, got my

1774
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,560
own honeymake my own meat, never leave the house, blah

1775
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,880
blah blah. And so I got a gunny sack full

1776
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,319
of bees from a person, and in a be suit

1777
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:02,000
and two boxes. And it started there. And so then

1778
01:28:02,279 --> 01:28:05,039
I was just a young buck, and the older ranchers

1779
01:28:05,079 --> 01:28:08,479
out here, they all had honey bees, and everybody did.

1780
01:28:09,279 --> 01:28:13,239
And they someone were getting older or whatnot, they call

1781
01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:15,439
and they'd say, yeah, I gotta swarm here if you

1782
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,520
want it. And then so I started that in about

1783
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,319
eighty eight and ninety three was when the Africanized came

1784
01:28:21,359 --> 01:28:23,439
across the line, and all of a sudden, all the

1785
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,840
ranchers are calling me up and going, I, what the fuck.

1786
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,720
I can't get near my bee boxes. These bees are nuts.

1787
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,039
What the hell happened? And I'd explain the crossbreeding. Or

1788
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:35,239
they would say those bees been in that shed for

1789
01:28:35,359 --> 01:28:38,199
sixty years and now they're stinging the horses and cows

1790
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:40,600
and me, what the hell's going on? And I'd explain

1791
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,560
the crossbreeding and they'd say, well, come out and get

1792
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:46,199
the damn things right. And so I segued into the

1793
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:48,640
removable aspect of it, because I'd go out and tear

1794
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,560
off a wall and There'll be five hundred pounds of

1795
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:51,159
comb in there.

1796
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: How long had you been keeping bees before you noticed

1797
01:28:55,239 --> 01:28:56,840
the aggressiveness start?

1798
01:28:58,199 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 2: Six years?

1799
01:28:59,119 --> 01:29:03,159
Speaker 1: So six years or the aggressive hybrid started floating to

1800
01:29:03,239 --> 01:29:05,279
the top, and that's and soon you watch, So you

1801
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,680
watched this infestation basically happen.

1802
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 2: At the beginning. I used to watch and you couldn't

1803
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:13,479
tell by looking. It was a mystery. We used to

1804
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:18,239
send at the request of the Department of Agriculture in Tucson, Arizona.

1805
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,479
We used to send samples. Everybody who had anything to

1806
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,920
do with these send samples. They sent us a little

1807
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,800
jars and shit, and it was like twenty or thirty

1808
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,600
bees from each some warm or high, so thousands and

1809
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,439
thousands samples to them for testing a percentage of africanization.

1810
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,359
Because everybody was like, what the fuck is going on?

1811
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,479
And in five years from ninety three to ninety eight

1812
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,560
and nineteen ninety eight, they called up all of us

1813
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,479
and said, don't send anymore. We're throwing them away. They're

1814
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,479
all Africanized. Yeah, just assume it.

1815
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember late nineties was when you started

1816
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,479
singing popular culture and it was like a fucking made

1817
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,319
for TV movie about it, and it became this thing

1818
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:58,720
and the news really hyped it up. But now it

1819
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,640
seems like maybe it wasn't that much hype.

1820
01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:03,520
Speaker 2: I mean, no, it wouldn't you know, there wouldn't hype.

1821
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,239
In fact, there was an understatement of anything.

1822
01:30:06,199 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I mean.

1823
01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 2: I used to watch I used to watch clouds of

1824
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:15,399
my bees chase cars down Highway eighty unprovoked.

1825
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,560
Speaker 1: So fucked it's so I mean, I'm laughing, but it's

1826
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,840
just it's just, you know, it's it's so crazy and

1827
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:29,199
uh and I mean it's it is. It's just it's

1828
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:31,199
like something out of a fucking Simpsons cartoon.

1829
01:30:31,279 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 2: Man. Oh no, it's so far out in left field

1830
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:33,800
it is.

1831
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:34,399
Speaker 4: You know what.

1832
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 2: I always obviously totally love what I do. Can't imagine

1833
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,680
doing anything else. I'll be sixty seven in January. I

1834
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,840
feel better than I did when I was in my forties,

1835
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,680
and you know it. But it's like being a paid

1836
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:47,720
juvenile delinquent.

1837
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,199
Speaker 1: So you've been how long have you been doing professional

1838
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:51,520
be removals for now.

1839
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,279
Speaker 2: Since about ninety Since then?

1840
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So that's when you really got into it

1841
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,520
and there was just that much business. And I'm sure

1842
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,439
business keeps increasing every year.

1843
01:31:02,119 --> 01:31:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And you know it does because now

1844
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,000
we have some because everything that I've ever said about

1845
01:31:10,039 --> 01:31:14,119
them has happened, because it is continuing to happen. Much

1846
01:31:14,199 --> 01:31:17,640
of the chagrin of the uh that we love the

1847
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:22,199
honeybee crowd be huggers, the bee hudgers, you know, much

1848
01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:25,560
of their chagrin. I'm always right, but boy, talk about satisfying.

1849
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, hosh, what's your background? How did you got

1850
01:31:28,199 --> 01:31:29,319
how did you guys find each other?

1851
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1852
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,119
Speaker 4: So you know, COVID for me, you know, kind of

1853
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:37,880
flipped my life upside down, and uh, you know, I

1854
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,920
did that to a lot of people, and I went

1855
01:31:40,079 --> 01:31:44,720
from being uh, I went, I became non essential. Right.

1856
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,199
Speaker 2: So I was I was looking for work.

1857
01:31:47,239 --> 01:31:50,319
Speaker 4: I'd met my wife and I wanted to move over

1858
01:31:50,399 --> 01:31:51,880
here to be with her, and I was looking for

1859
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,560
work and a mutual friend said, hey, you know, go

1860
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:55,479
talk to read.

1861
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:56,520
Speaker 1: And that was it.

1862
01:31:57,399 --> 01:32:00,560
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that was it. Yeah, And so it's just

1863
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,800
prior to read though I wasn't involved in in any

1864
01:32:05,119 --> 01:32:05,920
be stuff at all.

1865
01:32:06,119 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so you just kind of you just signed

1866
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,439
up and learned on to go basically.

1867
01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:12,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn.

1868
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's got to be quick learning too. I assume

1869
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,159
if you guys are going out every day removing you know.

1870
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 4: I'll tell you it was pretty funny because because I

1871
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,319
wasn't really sure about any of it when I first

1872
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:26,039
got started. I mean, you know, he'd tell me stories

1873
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:28,560
and and all of this kind of stuff and I'm like,

1874
01:32:29,159 --> 01:32:32,479
really really, And then and you know, we did a

1875
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,039
couple of hives and then we got into one up

1876
01:32:35,079 --> 01:32:36,199
in Kansas Settlement.

1877
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 2: It was massive.

1878
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 4: In fact, you can watch the job. It's called worst

1879
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:46,640
period bees period ever, period period period and uh and

1880
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,000
and you know, as it stands, it actually wasn't. We've

1881
01:32:50,039 --> 01:32:51,279
seen them worse since then.

1882
01:32:51,359 --> 01:32:52,720
Speaker 2: But it was a bad hive.

1883
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:58,159
Speaker 4: And it was all overhead work midsummer and we're out

1884
01:32:58,199 --> 01:33:00,840
there and it was nuts. I mean I got I

1885
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,279
got all stung up, got stung through my gloves, got

1886
01:33:03,359 --> 01:33:07,439
stung through my suit. And by the time we waited

1887
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,159
our way through the hive, I had had my come

1888
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:13,760
to Jesus moment, you know, I'm all like, you know,

1889
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,680
why don't we relocate this? And then and then and

1890
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:22,600
then I just I had that experience and it it stuck.

1891
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,800
And he's like, oh shit, it can be like this, this.

1892
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 2: Is a this is a calling. And now it's more

1893
01:33:28,039 --> 01:33:30,319
often than that, and exactly.

1894
01:33:30,039 --> 01:33:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the thing. So it's it's November now,

1895
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,359
but I mean in the summer there it's hot as balls.

1896
01:33:34,399 --> 01:33:37,079
It's fucking southern Arizona. And so you guys are wearing

1897
01:33:37,119 --> 01:33:39,079
these be suits at the same time. I mean they

1898
01:33:39,119 --> 01:33:41,399
can sting through the suits sometimes. How do they get

1899
01:33:41,399 --> 01:33:41,920
into the suit?

1900
01:33:42,039 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 2: Sometimes all the time, they don't. They don't make equipment

1901
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,119
for us. They make equipment for bee keepers.

1902
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,560
Speaker 1: Right, not for people who are actually getting attacked on

1903
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:53,039
a massive level.

1904
01:33:53,119 --> 01:33:56,319
Speaker 4: Or exactly exactly making And I don't know what they

1905
01:33:56,399 --> 01:33:59,399
do down in South and Central America because because you know,

1906
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:00,760
in Brazil they keep the.

1907
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:08,239
Speaker 2: People die every day. In latinomer every people do they're

1908
01:34:08,359 --> 01:34:09,039
using these things.

1909
01:34:09,319 --> 01:34:12,199
Speaker 1: You're saying Guadalajara, Well, you were telling me something last

1910
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:14,239
week there was a massive uh.

1911
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the the average just just in Guadalajara, the

1912
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:27,319
average number of reported the attacks every month is three thousand.

1913
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's crazy. So they're just everywhere.

1914
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:36,359
Speaker 2: City and Latin American. I've lived in Latin America. I

1915
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:41,600
know Mexico intimately. I've been in Brazil, in Costa Rica

1916
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,600
and Panama and all that. And the last people you

1917
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:50,720
call are cops. You do not call cops in Latin America.

1918
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:55,039
You do not nothing. You you if you absolutely have to,

1919
01:34:55,159 --> 01:34:58,199
you have to, you can call an ambulance. But so

1920
01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:00,600
these are reported, so these have to be pretty bad

1921
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:02,840
for that number for them to call.

1922
01:35:03,119 --> 01:35:08,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an understatement of actualities of the actual attacks.

1923
01:35:08,119 --> 01:35:09,239
Then yeah, that's crazy, and.

1924
01:35:09,239 --> 01:35:11,199
Speaker 2: That exactly exactly.

1925
01:35:11,279 --> 01:35:14,319
Speaker 4: I mean biology, so much of you know, Central and

1926
01:35:14,399 --> 01:35:16,439
South America too, so much of it is rural.

1927
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you don't you don't hear.

1928
01:35:19,279 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 4: Anything about that, just like you don't hear about stuff here.

1929
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,560
I mean two years ago they killed three people here

1930
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,520
in Coacheese County, didn't even make the papers, Jesus Man,

1931
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,600
because because it's rural, nobody cares what happens.

1932
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: So biologically, I just think, I mean, if they're that widespread,

1933
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,560
to think about all the reductions in native diversity, that's.

1934
01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:41,359
Speaker 2: This is the big This is the big one. That's

1935
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:41,640
the big.

1936
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: They're everywhere, and that's limited resources.

1937
01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:50,399
Speaker 4: Biodiversity leads to desertification. A lack of bioto diversity will

1938
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,960
fuck all of us. Never mind a killer beehive, right,

1939
01:35:54,319 --> 01:35:56,560
it's homogenization.

1940
01:35:55,800 --> 01:36:01,239
Speaker 2: Of nature, right, Absolutely need diversification, and these guys are.

1941
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,960
That's why I call them the most successful invasive species

1942
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,479
to hit the planet, because they've got human support.

1943
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the more you learn about them, they

1944
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,479
kind of are and the fact that they're so good

1945
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,600
it just getting established on their own.

1946
01:36:16,119 --> 01:36:18,319
Speaker 2: Well, and like Horse said, they have human support. We're

1947
01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:19,399
aiding in a bedding.

1948
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:22,039
Speaker 1: And now competing everything. Yeah, I mean, and then you

1949
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:25,079
think about the I mean, you know a lot of

1950
01:36:25,079 --> 01:36:28,159
players in the US are actually pretty well studied. There's

1951
01:36:28,319 --> 01:36:34,239
there's entomologists and melotologists, be researchers studying this stuff and

1952
01:36:34,399 --> 01:36:38,960
keeping data and surveying on numbers and populations. But then

1953
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,800
there's a lot of places, especially in Latin America, Central America,

1954
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:47,000
where no one's keeping adequate track of this. There's certainly

1955
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:49,319
some good work being done down there by scientists, but

1956
01:36:49,319 --> 01:36:50,960
then there's a lot of areas that are just rural

1957
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,800
and the universities can't get out there and think about

1958
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:58,159
what could be happening. I mean, just massive reduction.

1959
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 2: On these Africanized on are decimating uh native pollinators in

1960
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,800
the Amazon. That's something nobody is talking about.

1961
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: And no one seems to be keeping tabs on it

1962
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,439
either and studying it. I mean, there's no there's no numbers,

1963
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,239
there's no quantifying and.

1964
01:37:13,359 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 2: Even worse than that, people are going to keep bees right.

1965
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 4: So what we want to see, Julius, we want to

1966
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,960
see people stop keeping backyard bees. No backyard bee keeping,

1967
01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:26,960
no feral hive relocations.

1968
01:37:27,079 --> 01:37:29,399
Speaker 2: It's just not worth It's that simple.

1969
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:30,600
Speaker 1: It's keeping bees.

1970
01:37:31,279 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 4: People will do those two things. Stop backyard beekeeping and

1971
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,479
stop relocating feral highs.

1972
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:40,039
Speaker 1: Put some put some agvy nectar on your peanut butter

1973
01:37:40,159 --> 01:37:43,520
sandwich instead, or just you know, fucking banana.

1974
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,600
Speaker 2: You don't need be no shortage of honey.

1975
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 1: You don't need the honey. You don't need the honey.

1976
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,479
You know it's for your whiskey. Sours do something they

1977
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,399
use honey and whiskey says, you find something else.

1978
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:57,239
Speaker 2: You know, fucking what do you mix things with whiskey?

1979
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 1: I know, well I've been sober nine years now. I

1980
01:38:00,279 --> 01:38:03,760
had to stop. I was, you know, you know, I

1981
01:38:04,079 --> 01:38:04,760
made a program.

1982
01:38:05,039 --> 01:38:08,319
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be we wouldn't be talking if I continued.

1983
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 1: Friend the bee, I've been a friend the bill, you know.

1984
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,439
But but uh but you know, but yeah, I mean

1985
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,680
I was. There's that's the things that it's I mean,

1986
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:19,720
I like, yeah, I like honey too, But it's not

1987
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:21,279
worth this. It's not worth it.

1988
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not. And honestly, in our lifetimes, certainly

1989
01:38:26,079 --> 01:38:28,720
we're gonna have all the honey we can consume where

1990
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,000
it's not going away. We're not giving up on anything.

1991
01:38:31,079 --> 01:38:32,960
You know, people, we get comments all the time, Joey

1992
01:38:33,039 --> 01:38:35,439
from people are like we're all gonna starve the way

1993
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,199
that you're killing the bees, Like, go shut the fuck up.

1994
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 1: It's just the propaganda. It's just the propaganda.

1995
01:38:41,039 --> 01:38:44,520
Speaker 2: We exactly, we only we only kill every hive that

1996
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,079
we get called out to go get rid of, of course,

1997
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,800
because we're busy enough doing that ship. And that was

1998
01:38:51,159 --> 01:38:54,159
literally point zero zero zero one percent of the hive.

1999
01:38:54,199 --> 01:38:55,680
It's just in Coaches County.

2000
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nuts, man, it's not. And when you actually

2001
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:00,680
learn about the native bees, I got this book on

2002
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,920
my desk right now, The ABC's of California's Native Bees

2003
01:39:04,359 --> 01:39:08,359
by Crystal Hickman. Crystal Hickman, she was the bee researcher

2004
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:10,880
I had on the podcast a couple of days ago.

2005
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,640
And you know, you look and it's it's a C

2006
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:17,960
so it's species name A through A through Z and

2007
01:39:18,119 --> 01:39:21,479
it's these things are fucking dope. They're really cool, you know,

2008
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:25,239
cute little bastards that are mostly solitary or.

2009
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, mostly non aggressive, mostly solitary, do not stand do

2010
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:34,079
not have do not stand a match to these africanized

2011
01:39:34,119 --> 01:39:35,960
honey bees where you've got one hundred thousand and a

2012
01:39:36,039 --> 01:39:38,159
high them. They're all of one mind.

2013
01:39:38,199 --> 01:39:41,399
Speaker 1: And nobody's aware that most of these species exist. Man,

2014
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,920
it's crazy. There's like metallic blue native bees here that

2015
01:39:45,039 --> 01:39:47,600
are just fucking gorgeous and cool, and then you learn

2016
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,079
they've got a specialist relationship with a really cool desert

2017
01:39:51,159 --> 01:39:52,600
plant and those things are.

2018
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 2: Getting fucked just to like make a list of native pollinators.

2019
01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:00,840
And all I can do is tell them google native

2020
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,000
pollinators for your area.

2021
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, or go to or go to I Naturalists

2022
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:11,119
the website I Naturalist, type in, type in your type

2023
01:40:11,159 --> 01:40:14,560
in your county name, and type in I know, Hymenoptera

2024
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,199
is the main order. What is the family of bees?

2025
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:18,720
Is that AA or something?

2026
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 4: What? No, what is it?

2027
01:40:20,119 --> 01:40:22,079
Speaker 1: What is the main Uh?

2028
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,359
Speaker 2: Well, I'm an opera and uh I mean APIs.

2029
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: Let me see dot org. Yeah, I think dot com.

2030
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to hear that killerby nation out there YouTube?

2031
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:37,079
Speaker 1: And are we still on TikTok I naturalists dot org

2032
01:40:37,319 --> 01:40:40,760
And you could type in hymenoptera, but there's because hymenoptera

2033
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,560
will give you ants and wasps too, what would.

2034
01:40:43,359 --> 01:40:46,119
Speaker 2: You exactly what you know, we tell people just to

2035
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:51,239
put in native pollinators from my area. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2036
01:40:52,119 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 4: You know. The other thing to bring up, Joey real quick,

2037
01:40:55,399 --> 01:40:59,439
is it feral honeybee hives, whether they're European or afroganized,

2038
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:04,720
and nothing to do with your food supply exactly, Yeah,

2039
01:41:06,079 --> 01:41:09,720
are not pollinating your food. It's not feral honey bees

2040
01:41:10,359 --> 01:41:14,039
that are that are pollinating the monocrops in California. It's

2041
01:41:14,199 --> 01:41:19,319
kept bees, feral honey bees. There's no place for feral

2042
01:41:19,399 --> 01:41:23,399
honeybees of any genus in the America.

2043
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: So it's really overstated. This is really overstated the amount

2044
01:41:28,199 --> 01:41:31,560
of of pollination that they do of crops.

2045
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 2: It's well crops, so they do. But but feral hives

2046
01:41:36,079 --> 01:41:39,439
do not pollinate crops as supposed to, as opposed to

2047
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,119
kept bees by the big boys, by the professionals.

2048
01:41:42,399 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, well even that, I mean again, all

2049
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:48,079
the grain crops are wind pollinated, so exactly.

2050
01:41:48,039 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 2: That's right. Nobody's nobody has ever died of an almond deficiency.

2051
01:41:52,079 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 1: Okay. The taxonomic the taxonomic clade I was looking for

2052
01:41:56,359 --> 01:41:59,439
is a podia A p O I d E A

2053
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:04,319
which is uh is within Highminatra, and that includes the

2054
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:07,399
wasps and the bees. So if you type in a

2055
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:11,239
point A P O I D e A into eye naturalists,

2056
01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:13,239
there's two fields there. One you can type in the

2057
01:42:13,399 --> 01:42:15,439
organism you're looking for. In the other field, you can

2058
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:18,399
type in Cocheese County, for instance, and you'll get a

2059
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:22,399
list of everything. Every native bee and APIs maliffer will

2060
01:42:22,399 --> 01:42:24,119
show up there too, But of course we know that's

2061
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:27,119
not native, so that's a great reference for people to

2062
01:42:27,279 --> 01:42:29,039
use as well. But that's I mean right there. I mean,

2063
01:42:29,079 --> 01:42:31,600
you look at these things. They're fucking cool. They're all

2064
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:35,800
really cool looking, really ecologically important and little known native

2065
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:39,840
pollinators that are getting fucked by these stupid honey bees

2066
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:41,399
that are also a threat to human life.

2067
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:47,159
Speaker 2: So literally, yeah, yes, yeah, it's it's uh, I got wet.

2068
01:42:47,319 --> 01:42:49,960
I mean, thank you so much for having us, man,

2069
01:42:50,199 --> 01:42:52,520
thank you guys for coming on me. Yeah, this has

2070
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,119
got to be put out there. Man, we can do

2071
01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:55,880
another one in a few months if you want. I mean,

2072
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,039
this has got to be you know, we'll never win

2073
01:42:59,159 --> 01:43:00,840
the war, but we have to win every battle.

2074
01:43:01,039 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's you know, I mean, it's I'm only

2075
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:07,840
partially joking. But when I say that, I like to

2076
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see honeybee hate. I like to see spreading hate for

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the honey bees because it's it is. It's a huge issue, man,

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I mean, and I just thinking about that alone, all

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the places where it's records aren't being kept, and that

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is not being collected about all the I mean, I

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wonder if they've caused any extinctions of native bees anywhere,

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certainly extir patients.

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Speaker 4: You know, I promise you no, no massive decimations. You know,

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something that we see consistently. We'll do a job someplace

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out in the valley or wherever.

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Speaker 2: We'll do a job.

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Speaker 4: We'll knock out a hive. We'll return to the same

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patch of grass a month later, two months later, five

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months later, and we see native bees everywhere. Oh so

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you actually see all kinds of diversity. We absolutely see

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that diversity bounce back.

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Speaker 1: You see the removal of these invasive species actually result

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in more diversity.

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Speaker 4: Is better population because there's more food.

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Speaker 2: With our own eyes, there's more food for them and

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less competitive the bees, these Africanized bees. I've watched them

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kill native pollinators on flowers.

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Speaker 1: What do they do?

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Speaker 2: I just pile on top of the dog bile or

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drive them away. They're so aggressive and competitive that for

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01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:23,880
they're competitive not only for fruit doores, but for housing.

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They will drive Now bumblebees house underground. Here in the

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desert southwest, there are no more bumble bees and tuc

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Sound because of Africanized honey bees there. They will take

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over underground burrows of bumblebee hives. They will kill the

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bumblebees and move in. Now European honeybees never ever used

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to live underground. We are seeing that all the time

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now you see our videos. We have numerous videos of

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us doing removals underground, or we're digging them out, digging

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01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:58,479
Africanized hives out from rabbit warrens and under burrows where

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bumblebees used to live.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's well, of course they're hitting native poloniers.

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I mean, the killer bee colonies don't even fight. They

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fight amongst each other too.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like, oh, absolutely yeah, oh they'll kill each

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other willing.

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Speaker 4: In addition to that, you know the real problem is

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it's a sort of like gentrification that these colonists are doing. Right,

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So they'll occupy a space. The amount of nectar and

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pollen that the average hive pulls out of an ecosystem, okay,

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01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,079
in a three mile radius where they're foraging. In a month,

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the amount of nectar and pollend that they will pull

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out of an ecosystem and stockpile in one of these

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01:45:38,039 --> 01:45:41,159
hives can rear thirty three thousand native bees.

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Speaker 1: God, that's crazy, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: And you know out here food is scarce.

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Speaker 4: The these we've been, we've been in we've been in

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effectively a you know, there's a real dearth of resources

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out here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a drought out here for a long time,

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desert already. And then the yeah, Arizona's in a bad

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drought right.

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Speaker 4: Now, what little there is, what little there is the

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the Africanized honeybees horde, and so there's less food for

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the natives now. In addition to that, though, remember they

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01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:18,880
don't just in breed native plants, but they pollinate and

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spread invasive plant species. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, it can't be really mad, especially

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when I think of that lady.

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Speaker 2: Is saving the bees exactly. No, I fully rock the sentiment.

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Speaker 1: I understand why you guys are so turned up now

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about this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So out in the valley, out in the

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valley one hundred and fifty years ago. Okay Sea of grass,

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01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:49,720
sulfur springs, valley, sea of grass from peak to peak, Okay,

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01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,279
from mountain range to mountain range, nothing but grass. The

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01:46:55,159 --> 01:46:58,800
ranchers come through, not just the ranchers, but the cattle

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01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:05,039
comes through. Okay, settlers, calons, they come through. They overgraze it,

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01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:09,319
and they spread mesquite all over the place. Now mosquite

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loves disturbed soils. So you have this decimation of native

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01:47:13,039 --> 01:47:16,960
grass being replaced by a lot of desert scrub, most

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of which or.

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Speaker 2: Much of which is mesquite, which is an invasive.

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Speaker 1: Speci mesquite mesquites not invasive, it's native, but it takes

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01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:30,279
over due to overgrazing. I mean, those lands sound like

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there was.

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01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,199
Speaker 2: No mosquite, but there was no mosquite here originally, right,

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it couldn't.

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Speaker 1: It couldn't get in when it was a grassland. And

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then when you once you're overgrazed, now it takes over

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and gets super aggressive.

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Speaker 4: And now here's the thing is that mosquite in under

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01:47:45,239 --> 01:47:49,039
these environmental conditions. The nectar flow off mesquite here is

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twice a year, and so that is plenty of food

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for africanized honey bees. But because the mesquite wasn't the

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01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:04,319
dominant species here before, the native bees can't really relate

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to mesquite, not in the way that the honey bees do.

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So you have an invasive species spreading an invasive.

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Speaker 2: Species, and it's mainly because the native pollinators are specialists

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and the honey bees, Africanized honeybees in particular, are generalists.

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That's an important destry.

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Speaker 1: Well well, well again, mysquit's not invasive. It is a native,

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but it wouldn't. It's it's exploiting a niche because of

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the overgrazing, and the honey bees are now helping that along.

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And so once miskite takes over, of course now the

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grass can't get in because the miskeit shaves it out,

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and so now the ranchers and the cattle have nothing

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to eat. So this is all the more reason for

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i mean ranchers especially to care about this on that level.

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It's it's leading to, you know, landscape changes that directly

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affect them.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. You can see a lot of our VIDs where

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we interview. We talked the ranchers down here a lot.

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01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:01,560
We're all friends of ours, we know them, I mean,

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they're down to earth. These are so these people live outside.

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I mean, these people are amazing, and you can see

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interviews where we talk to them. They hate these bees

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01:49:11,359 --> 01:49:12,279
with a passion.

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Speaker 1: They get it.

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01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get it, you know, I mean they you know.

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So it used to be, you know, you could relocate

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01:49:18,279 --> 01:49:20,560
the honey bees around because they didn't try to kill us.

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01:49:21,039 --> 01:49:25,000
Now you relocate a swarm or a hive out on

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01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,159
any ranch property and you might get shot at.

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Speaker 1: I can't say I blame them. When people may locate,

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what do they do? I mean, what are they just

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dumping a hive in a tree slumper?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what, it's a really good question, Joey,

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And I'll tell you what. It's super disingenuous because you can't.

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First of all, there's no shortage of these damn things.

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You where are you going to relocate them?

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01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:55,199
Speaker 2: Too? He is the question.

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01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 4: And what I am pointing at here is there's a

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01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:01,279
lot of people that say they're relocating and it's virtue signaling.

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01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:04,279
They take this hive out someplace and they euthanize it.

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01:50:05,039 --> 01:50:07,800
It's all for marketing. It's all for show, it's all

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01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:10,479
for clicks, it's all for views. It's bullshit.

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Speaker 3: Another day of saving the bees to a trash can

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because you have too many damn hives. So how many

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01:50:19,239 --> 01:50:24,119
hives can a piece of property hold effectively, how many

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01:50:24,199 --> 01:50:27,600
can it support? How much relocating can you do before

2213
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:33,479
you completely max out a three mile radius ecosystem right

2214
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:37,960
from where your hives are rotating saturated and it's already saturated.

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01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:39,319
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:42,079
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of people that are pretend it's

2217
01:50:42,199 --> 01:50:44,680
virtue signaling. Dude, there's a lot of people that are

2218
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:48,439
pretending to relocate that are actually just gathering up these

2219
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:50,800
and flushing them down a toilet someplace.

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01:50:51,239 --> 01:50:54,279
Speaker 1: Well, it's I hope they're doing that. At least, you know,

2221
01:50:54,359 --> 01:50:56,239
the virtue singing. I could do it out, but at

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01:50:56,319 --> 01:50:59,159
least they're putting them down, I would hope, because I mean,

2223
01:50:59,399 --> 01:51:02,119
it's just sounds like these things. I mean, it's they are.

2224
01:51:02,199 --> 01:51:05,359
They're like they're like rats. They just breed super fast

2225
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:06,600
like rats.

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01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, deadly rats, but the most successful invasive species on

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01:51:11,319 --> 01:51:14,560
the planet right now. And you know, people always ask us,

2228
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,399
we get a lot of comments from Africa, from beekeepers

2229
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:20,159
in Africa, so that I, oh, I deal with these

2230
01:51:20,199 --> 01:51:22,880
bees all the time. No, you don't. There are no

2231
01:51:23,159 --> 01:51:28,239
africanized honey bees in Africa. There are African honey bees

2232
01:51:28,319 --> 01:51:32,239
in Africa, right, Yeah, there are no cross breeds. Yeah,

2233
01:51:32,319 --> 01:51:36,439
and there's a huge distinction, and I mean huge, right,

2234
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,760
it's two different critters. They look the same.

2235
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the hybrid again, Yeah, that's the distinction to

2236
01:51:42,319 --> 01:51:45,880
make the hybrid is not the same as the wild ancestor.

2237
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,359
Speaker 2: Well exactly it sounds.

2238
01:51:50,319 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 1: For better or worse, like you guys have your work

2239
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:54,640
cut out for you and you'll be very busy.

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Speaker 2: There's no weird job security in the universe.

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01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 1: There's no short of there's no shortage unfortunately of killer

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01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:04,479
bee colonies to remove.

2243
01:52:04,279 --> 01:52:07,560
Speaker 2: But or educating people about these damn things.

2244
01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's the biggest part, is just

2245
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:13,000
letting them know, like, man, honey bees just suck. They

2246
01:52:13,079 --> 01:52:13,439
kind of do.

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01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 4: They do.

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01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:17,600
Speaker 1: And this is it's not just the fact they can

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01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,720
kill you, it's also the reductions and diversity that they're.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they stuck in the Americas and they're actually sucking

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01:52:24,039 --> 01:52:26,960
in Europe now too because there are too many. There's

2252
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:30,600
a really good show from deutsch World that we use

2253
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:34,439
in one of our presentations called We're Saving the Wrong Bees,

2254
01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:38,000
and it's a German production. It's in English, and there

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01:52:38,079 --> 01:52:40,760
are too many. There are too many honey bees in

2256
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,479
Germany now, in Europe now, and that are driving out

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01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:49,239
other native pollinators. Honey honey bees belong in Asia, Africa

2258
01:52:49,319 --> 01:52:51,239
and Europe. They don't belong in the Americas.

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01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah no, but that comment about Europe. The bee researcher

2260
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:56,560
I had on a few days ago mention that too.

2261
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:58,920
She said, they're even call it causing reductions in diversity

2262
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:01,319
where they're native, because there's they're everywhere and they get

2263
01:53:01,359 --> 01:53:03,800
a boost from human beings many.

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01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,359
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is humans. Humans are helping the situation.

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01:53:09,239 --> 01:53:11,560
Speaker 1: Eating a Betty, Well, thank you both so much for

2266
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:14,680
coming on. I appreciate you, and I appreciate what you're doing,

2267
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:16,479
and I appreciate you getting the message out there. So

2268
01:53:17,159 --> 01:53:17,840
thank you again.

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01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,680
Speaker 2: All right, brother, they appreciate you. Man. This has been

2270
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:25,640
absolutely excellent and really enjoyed talking with you the stud again.

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01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah man, Yeah, and I look forward to watching more

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01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:28,920
of your videos. Stay safe out

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Speaker 2: There, all right, we'll do Thanks Joey, Okay, take care bye,