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Speaker 1: Let me break it all down for you.
Speaker 2: We'll get reactions from all of our commentators. So a
couple of key updates here in the Parker Kingston Parker
Kingston case, the preliminary hearing has been moved up from
April thirteen to March twenty third at the request of
the defense. Found that interesting. They want to accelerate this,
They want to get out in front of it. It
looks like the review hearing is set for March eighteenth.
At the preliminary hearing, prosecutors will need to show there's
probable cause for the charge. The alleged victim may testify,
but prosecutors haven't decided yet if she does. The defense
wants the hearing to be in person and not over video,
so we'll get Handy and Handy on the line to
tell us maybe why that is, give us the why behind,
why they're doing it this way, why the defense wants this.
Parker Kingston, for those that don't know, was charged with
first felony rate by a twenty year old woman down
in Saint George and Washington County, and she states the
assault happened February twenty third, in twenty twenty five at
her apartment in Saint George. She reported it to police
four days later at Saint George's Regional Hospital.
Speaker 4: According to court documents.
Speaker 2: Kingston told police that everything that happened was consensual. Kingston
was released on ten thousand dollars cash bail and a
one hundred thousand dollars bond. He's also required to wear
a GPS ankle monitor for at.
Speaker 1: Least sixty days.
Speaker 2: His attorney also has raised concerns about court security. Following
a previous hearing, the judge said the court will take
steps to address security and decorum for future proceedings. BYU,
Says has stated officially, Kingston's no longer a student, nor
is he a part of the BYU football team. So
that's the most recent thing. There's also a report that
came out earlier today regarding Title nine and how is
it that Parker Kingston played last year from this happened
in February. How is it that he was eligible to
play when he was under investigation for.
Speaker 1: Rape? How does this happen?
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people out there that are like,
he shouldn't have been eligible, bau I knew about it
all along, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But this is the report, Okay.
Speaker 2: The reason that the alleged assault, while it involved a
university football player, did not happen at the university, which
is owned and operated by the Church of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: A Latter Day Saints.
Speaker 2: Okay, the alleged crime occurred in a private residence in
Saint George, said S. Daniel Carter, the president of Safe
Campus's LLC. There was therefore no requirement for any internal
university reporting statistics, timely warning, or Title nine responses. If
the alleged victim had the alleged excuse me all assault
had happened on campus, it likely would have triggered a
different response, including an alert to the community that an
assault had occurred. But the Bayu Police Department was ultimately
restricted by state law governing the sharing of information in
an active investigation led by another agency. So by law,
they couldn't report this, They could not expose information because
there was an ongoing investigation. So the haters are going
to say they still knew, they let it go and
all those things, and they're going to try to prove
it in some way, shape or form with their sources,
and that's okay. But for this report BYU's police department
was ultimately restricted by state law governing the sharing of
information in an active investigation led by another agency, and
so BYU became aware of it on I believe it
was WHATRAR February eleventh, and then took action dismissing him
from school and obviously from the football team. That's the latest, guys,
your reaction. I don't know who wants to chime at
first Ronald the three man, we want you to start
us off, and then Brett and then Ap.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, look at an end of the day, been
from everything that you just read, apologize got some of
the sniffles. You gotta respect the law and a line
of authority. It says in that last line, you know,
led by another agency, can't share information. Now some people
are gonna say, well, they pick and choose. That's your
personal opinion. According to the state law, Bau police could not.
And look, Brett can say this. As a student, Ape
he can say this.
Speaker 1: Ben.
Speaker 5: You can even go back your time as a student.
You get Amber alerts for certain things. You get obviously
certain emails when things occur. Obviously you know during the
time of last year on it. You know, before I graduate,
before I was a student, never got anything in this
regard about Parker, but I got other stuff that would happen.
So I buy all of this. I buy that you
know BYU was not allowed because when things have happened,
whether it been able to report or whether where it's
happened on campus, they've done their due diligence and going
about it and doing that. So it's kind of like,
you know, when someone you know in this pack breaks
the ONA Code and it doesn't happen on campus, and
you know, it goes about differently. It's kind of the
same thing in that regard. But this is obviously, you know,
a severe legal case. But that those are my thoughts
on it. I'm not surprised that the defense wants to
have this in person and having get over video I
don't think strengthens your case. But all the evidence been
that we wanted to know about, whether it's previous text
message or the probable calls with that of how could
this you know, they had enough to get them arrested.
All of that's gonna come out, you know now within
the next you know what, thirty to sixty days, so.
Speaker 1: We're gonna know a lot more.
Speaker 5: But yeah, buy all of this information, and good job
on those that reported this. Because BYU was getting pressed
by certain news outlets the police department on this. People
wanted to know Ben why this hadn't happened they were
trying to find and the reasoning was just given.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I want to add on to that like
a big round of applause, shout out nod to all
the people who do that this work. I couldn't do
this work. I love why we get to do what
we get to do, where we get to, for the
most part, talk about things that are not as serious
and give our outlandish opinions on things that don't matter.
Speaker 1: This would be really hard for me.
Speaker 6: So I'm so grateful for the individual who this is
their career and they do the hard work and they
get the hard facts. So shout out to them. When
did POU police get involved. That's a big question that
a lot of people have had BYU Police.
Speaker 2: And when was Parker interviewed by We.
Speaker 6: Did get an answer on when police was the BYU
Police found out about it. They found out about it
at the end of November, so the season.
Speaker 1: Had already been going on at that point.
Speaker 6: Season regular season was almost over at that point when
BYU police found out. On November twenty fourth, the Saint
George Police asked for help seizing a warrant to take
Parker's phone. So it's not as though they found about
it to this in the summer, and they just knew
about it, they didn't do anything. A ton of information
coming out of this article from the Salt Lake Tribune.
Courtney Tanner doing great work over there, but that does
help piece together another part of this timeline.
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 6: In this we also get a definitive answer on when
she went to the hospital, which I believe was four days,
and we had some questions about when exactly. It looks
like it was four days after the alleged incident that
she made it to the hospital. So really great work
by Courtney Tanner and everyone else who's covering this story.
Speaker 1: This is one of those times where.
Speaker 6: Like we don't really have a whole lot to speculate
on or give opinions on or why this that or
the other, because again in basketball and sports, like our
opinion doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: This is oh yeah're right, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 7: They will be playing this show in the court.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true, this is true.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean we are our opinions matter in basketball
and yeah, oh yeah yeah, oh yeah matter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But like we can't really give opinions on all
of this because it doesn't even matter what the opinion is,
so I'm really grateful for all these people who are
doing the work and grateful to now have found out
an exact timeline of when b what you police got involved.
And to Ron's point, there are laws involved. It's not
as though that BOYU had this information that they were
hiding it. Even BYU police who did have the information
at the end of November when the season was basically
almost over.
Speaker 1: At that point, they legally could not share it.
Speaker 6: And I believe somewhere in here they also talk about
how the Saint George Police they didn't want to make
a big deal out of it because they didn't want
the investigation to be interfered with, and so that's another
reason behind it.
Speaker 1: So good work by everyone involved.
Speaker 5: Ben, I'm hopping back in here. I think it's safe
to say, and this is based on the facts right
in of November. They can be given information that Brett
talked about. Parker was somewhere interviewed probably between March and November.
You can probably piece that together because if they received
the warrant for his phone, they wouldn't have been able
to do that without probably maybe talking. So you have
to think that Parker was probably interviewed during that time period.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll give you I'll give you a few
nuggets here. You know, I'm always intrigued about key players,
sequencing of events, timelines. I think everybody wants timelines for
what's going on and how it's going on. So this
happened in February of twenty twenty five. Nothing really moved
the whole lot until there was a new prosecuting attorney,
a county attorney in Washington County that took over seven
months ago. This probably came across his desk and he
took it. He's like, okay, I'm evaluating it. And then
an investigation seemingly like a more ardent, more aggressive, more
I think invest from my purview, Okay, this is not
an official statement. I'm just saying, like what I what
I see in what I've kind of gathered. You know,
the the the county attorney took over the new one, okay,
about seven months ago. And then we find out that
interviews took place in uh, you know, we don't we
don't know exactly when, so, but we do know that
BYU police was notified in November.
Speaker 1: Correct, Okay, so.
Speaker 2: I think there's there's it probably was around August that
it really started to heat up in more investigation, and
there's probably interviews at that time maybe, but Parker was
reached out to, well, I want to find out that day.
Speaker 1: When was he interviewed?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 2: When was he When did he get on the phone
and say it was all consensual?
Speaker 4: Because at that time with admission of.
Speaker 2: Sexual activity, then because of that admission and him saying
it was all consensual over the phone or what have
you r in person, now they have a little bit
more probable cause because it's like, oh, well, he did
admit to sexual activity and.
Speaker 6: That's also an honor code issue at that point whenever
he admits to that one.
Speaker 1: Percent, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean technically, I mean if if the Honor
Code office was to find out and there there would
be an issue there, right, and not everyone on their
honor goes in to the honor codes, Like look, I
just have to admit I didn't even talk to my bishop.
I've had an honor infraction. How many people do you
know that goes into the Houner Code? Like look, rather
than going to my bishop about this, I'm going straight
to the Honor Code. And I'd like to admit that
I've infringed upon the hon code? Is that a standard?
I don't know what percentage I would also, I don't
want to make light of the situation, but I don't
know he infringe on the honor Code with you know,
in a consent you know anyway, anybody that has you know,
infringed on the outerer code, I don't I don't know
what percentage go to the Honor Code themselves anyway, So.
Speaker 1: You know, the a couple of nuggets.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I've I've actually discussed with
a few people when when a prosecuting attorney is willing to.
Speaker 1: Go it this aggressively.
Speaker 2: Remember, look at all of the details of how aggressive
they've they've been, right, you know, there's the arrest, the
held without bail, you know, ten thousand dollars with bond,
and sorry, you know bail, and then one hundred thousand
dollars bond.
Speaker 4: There's probably gonna be a.
Speaker 2: Number of of of different aggressive allegations here, and and
maybe that evidentiary threshold has been met per the prosecution
for when I've been told, but I've also been told prosecutors,
you know, like all resumes, we all want to have
a good resume. Whenever we make a prediction, you know,
we want to be batting a thousand. And you know,
when you're a prosecute computer, you want to bat a thousand.
You don't take things to court that you don't think
you can at least get, you know, some sort of
conviction on or some sort of an admission on. So
you may have what what a case such as this
that has multiple, multiple accusations and allegations, and it will
scare the defendant in such a way that he admits
to one of them. Does that make sense? Yep, so
that he still bats a thousand, even though even.
Speaker 1: If he's he pleads not guilty.
Speaker 2: Right, there's gonna be something along the way that they
can say, Okay, well, we're gonna scare you out of
the living day because this is gonna cost you a
lot of money. You know, you're you're you're gonna be
in the limelight. You're gonna be upfront. I mean, we're
gonna we're gonna expose X, Y.
Speaker 1: And Z like it could I mean, are you kidding me?
He's got arrested.
Speaker 2: You're you're sitting there innocent until proven guilty. He's probably
scared out of his mind, goes out and hires an attorney. Now,
and and depending on the attorney, if are they a
seasoned litigator, are they a seasoned defense attorney?
Speaker 1: Attorney, they may or may.
Speaker 2: Not feel comfortable going to court and fighting this, you know,
And do you have the funds in order to to
to to to pay? Does that make sense? So all
I'm saying is like I've had a few discussions with
people that I trust that know the proceedings of these events.
I got a text today in fact, asking me said, hey,
some prosecutors have a reputation for bringing these kinds of
impossible to prove slash win cases and then try to
scare the kid intopleting down to lesser charges.
Speaker 4: I got this text earlier today. I'm not saying that's
what's happening.
Speaker 2: I'm saying there are those out there prosecutors that do it,
that they force.
Speaker 1: These kids, it's a scare tactic.
Speaker 2: They plead down to a lesser charge, and they still
bat a thousand in their prosecutions.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Like I said, I believe foundationally, because I may be
taking out of context here with what I'm talking about.
May the truth be unferraled to the world and may
justice be served, period, whatever it is. But I believe wholeheartedly,
and I think the data backs me up on this.
These situations of he said and she said, you can't
prove consent and therefore you have to go through this
process is legal process. It's unless you've got witnesses or
DNA evidence, et cetera, or traumas or or what have you.
Speaker 1: But even then it's like.
Speaker 3: So does DNA prove consent? Though, no, it doesn't, You're right,
It just proves if there was a happened which has
already been admitted.
Speaker 1: Ye. Yeah. And so.
Speaker 2: Look, these are the this is the nature of the piece.
You got to understand the system, the process is in place,
and and uh, you know verywell could be that that
that Parker does you know that he's going to plea
to a lesser charge and he's convicted on that charge
arch and he's gonna have to you know, take that
that that repercussion. Obviously he's he's out of BYU. You know,
he's he's ain't playing football at b YU and his
NFL career is definitely put ahole. So the question is
is Parker going to fight this tooth And then what
I'm most intrigued by, does he trust his attorney enough
to go to court and have this be litigated in
the court of law for everybody to watch, because this
is what this is a high profile case in the
state of Utah. That's why I think his attorney has
asked for security because there's gonna be a lot of
eyes on this and people the public want to follow
this as we are. And and so with that being said,
does his lawyer want to litigate it? And does Parker
want to go on record? Does he want to get
up there in his own defense and fight tooth and
nail to prove his innocence and let the the courts,
the jury, and the court of public opinion chime in
on it. That's what I'm most intrigued by. Or does
he just say, you know what, plead to the lesser charge.
Does that make sense that that's me's the story here?
So but like I said, I got that text this
morning from an individual that I trust, and I've had
other conversations with people that have gone actually through this process.
I have friends that have gone through this process that
were accused of a certain you know, there's a certain allegation, right,
But there was like a rap sheet of like three four, five, six, seven,
eight other things, and you're looking at that list, right
of these lesser charges.
Speaker 1: They start with the rest of.
Speaker 2: One up here, and then they give you these lesser charges.
Eventually you're like, you're scared out of your mind and
you just say, Okay, I'll plead to that, and that's
going to be on my record, and the prosecutor bats
a thousand because that's what ultimately he needs to do.
He's not going to bring like if he's he's not
swinging the miss, she's not swinging the miss. If you're
a prosecutor, does that make sense? No one wants that, No, no,
no they don't. They they got a bat pretty close
to a thousand. They don't want that on their record.
Speaker 4: So anyway, those are kind of my thoughts on the matter.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 2: Here's the latest with Parking. Some people are like, I
don't even want to hear about Parker Kingston. I don't
want you to touch on it. He's you know, they've
already they've already assumed either that they assume he's guilty
or they are very angry with him that he has
brought uh dishonor to bring him young. University, the faith,
the community. There's a lot of people that feel that
way because you were out and about transacting.
Speaker 1: Sex.
Speaker 2: That's what you were doing, right and in a you
you can't go. You were infringing on the nor code
that you signed up for, right. I do believe in
my opinion, and you guys can disagree with me. If
you are in a long term, committed relationship, you know
at b YU, and you fall short of the honor code,
I feel like they're probably a little bit more grace
filled then if you're going about being frivolous, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I I think I would probably be if.
Speaker 2: I I don't know how they Ben Crittle will never
be a bishop.
Speaker 1: Who knows if I will? You know what I mean? Like,
I doubt it. You put you on your list by
saying that, you know what, I will not be a bishop.
Speaker 4: I would have to like but like you know, I'll
probably be a little.
Speaker 1: Bit more grace filled.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, Like you're in a long term relationship,
you're trying to be monogamous, you're trying to be committed,
and you fell short.
Speaker 4: Like, Okay, what are we gonna do about that now?
Speaker 1: Huh Pale? What are we what are we gonna do?
Set up safeguards? What are we doing? How? You know?
Speaker 4: You gotta figure things out.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: The Honor Code I have a love hay relationship with
because I think you should be going out and working
out your own salvation with fear and trembling with your
your your your your bishop's and you're the clergy that's
that's with you, rather than the the honor Code.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: The honor Code, which they don't know you. You know, they're
not in your community. They don't see you showing up
to church every week, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I do think they if you are working with
a bishop, they have more grace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you should.
Speaker 2: But in times past, I don't know if that's been
the case, it's been maybe a little bit more arbitrary
stock publicly stockating people, you know, it's like, you know,
publicly stockating people for like, you know, falling short of
the honor Code.
Speaker 1: To me is not like that's not very christ Like.
Speaker 2: Look at this center before you you know, past the
stones of dishonor.
Speaker 5: I'm jumping I think the reason why is you're seeing
public figure. When you're a public figure, you have got
to lose in that squy Like I'm gonna be honest,
like I'm jumping in here, different story, difference there. I
don't want people to think it's the same thing, but
like you know, and unfortunately want it to happen this way.
Like I got called for dyeing my hair blonde, right,
you know, the only reason you got you got called
on No, I got called this is not a story,
And I got submitted to the Honor Code for having
blonde hair, right, And I'm not going to go into
the whole thing. The only reason why I got an
article in the Tribune is because a Tributne reporter was
there and it asked me about it. When a group
of students, you know, didn't like maybe how the whole
Honor Code thing was going down their narrative and things
might have been different. But my whole purpose that whatever
I was bringing up was I don't feel like I
was outside the rules, which I was, and I died blonde.
It was told to me that blonde is not a
natural hair color to me, which is really absurd. But
again a different conversation. But like that doesn't happen. You
normally don't get that opportunity as a student to say
that because you're not a public figure. But it's a
win or lose, right, like you get maybe special privileges
maybe sometimes as an athlete ban But on the opposite side,
when it is this high profile, look what the look
what the.
Speaker 1: Opposite side is of it is.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, but as someone that's gone there,
I've seen both sides of it of a person who's
willing to sit down and talk and those that don't.
You know, like it really comes down to me in
any type of capacity, is the person's hard in hearing
a person out. But I mean, at the end of
the day, you have to have the honor code there
because I'm not gonna snitch on anybody. But there are
those that I know that didn't give n f about
b Yu, that were mad about b Yu, that were
breaking the honor code constantly, and you know that never
got I don't want to say their punishment, that's the
wrong word to say.
Speaker 1: But there are other people that want an opportunity that didn't.
Speaker 5: So it has to say Ben, like I give that
pushback of yes, you don't want people to be public
cast you know that word that you use, but it's
unfortunate cast to get it. But that's just that's unfortunately
how it is.
Speaker 1: If you're a public figure, but I don't see students.
You can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2: If if you're gonna use b YU, you're gonna get
paid by corporate sponsors, there's gonna be a bigger repercussion
because you're utilizing that. You're you're a brand ambassador in
many ways, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 1: So I'm right there with you.
Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons why Roncamennenhall was so adamant
about the flag bears, the student athletes being the flag
bears of the university and having a very high standard.
And many people looked at him and said, he's too
much of a mission president. It's too much of a
mission president. But like you also have to realize what
he was working under, and what environment he was working under,
and what leadership he was working under, and why he
took that stance because it was probably a little bit
more arbitrary, a little bit more linear. There does that
make sense? Like it was, you know in Lavelle's era.
I can tell you this much those that those student
athletes that infringe on the under code. I think Lavelle
was able to get out in front of it and
mentor and not just just not punish. It's not like
he wasn't punishing. He was, but he knows the kids
better than anybody. He's the head coach. And some people
are like, yeah, but like he cares about winning more
than then punishing. I'm like, yeah, I don't know about that, Lavelle. Lavelle,
that's I think that's false. I think it's completely false.
Levell was a very, very christ Like individual to the
thirteenth possible. I would trust Levell. I would want Leavell
judging me. In fact, if I if I send, I
want Lavell judge of because he's just a kind and
loving and accepting.
Speaker 4: And and christ Like. So that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 7: Despite what a straight face on the sideline.
Speaker 1: Looks like he could be grumpy.
Speaker 2: He's a grumpy curmudgeon sometimes on the side of his armful,
but like you get in front of him and he's
a he's very kind, very loving, And I got a
hug from him once and it was glorious.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic. I felt the love emanating, and that's
what I experienced.
Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna get with Christ at the end
of the other side, and you're gonna get the loving embrace.
So he's gonna saynd's a little disappointed in you for
falling short bend, but I forgive you.
Speaker 3: But a slightly off topic question, is Kalanie the first
kind looking head coach? Tweet hat at b Yu because
both Bronco and Lavell looked extremely grumpy on the side.
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks angry as well, but he just.
Speaker 7: Has a nicer, resting face. It feels like nicer resting,
like he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Have as much of a I don't know, say nicer.
I'd say less negative. I don't know that it's nice.
Speaker 3: It doesn't look like a like a frown like you're angry,
you know.
Speaker 6: I also think because of social media, we get more
opportunities to see fun Kalani, whereas again, and I think
generally is but AP's got me looking up like just
standard pictures on Google in my right, let's see this resting,
resting Kilanie face that he's talking about.
Speaker 5: Brett's right about social media, though, Ben, I mean, look,
Bronco was probably on that verge of where it was
right before it took off. But Kilane, we see him
with Jaron Hall, goes to score a touchdown, running down
with Jack and Mooney and Clapp.
Speaker 1: We see him dance every game. This is the thing.
Speaker 2: Klanie is the type And granted I always look at
like organizational design and how things are set up, but
Glani is the type that will stop and talk to
you in the hallway.
Speaker 4: I would say, I don't know if Lavell did.
Speaker 2: I think Lavell probably did, but he did have a
resting kind of like a curmudgeon face sometimes uh Bronco.
He's very busy, very operational, very linear, and so he's
you know, he yeah he was not always happy, a
pretty happy person, but yeah, you're right, pretty very happy,
you know. So, I know we've got a lot of
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Speaker 3: It brings me back a little bit to my missions
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it takes me back to my mission as well,
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Speaker 1: I don't think have I ever told this story? No,
So okay.
Speaker 6: So my my mission president is Elder Wong of the
seventy Shout out to Elder one. Shout out to Elder
Wanog He at the time. So he's Chinese obviously from
Hong Kong. He doesn't like his English was good, like
basically sarcasm to him was like not didn't translate super well.
And so one time this was up in Vancouver, Canada,
and one time one of my friends, one of the
zone leaders, was like, hey, Elder Wong, Elder Hammer is
actually fluent in Spanish.
Speaker 1: And so Elder Wong comes to me.
Speaker 6: So then Elder Updorf came to church and our wards,
then my mission president was there and he comes up
to me and he's like, hey, Elder Hammer, like I
heard you're fluent in Spanish.
Speaker 1: And I was like, gosh, dang, Elder Davenport.
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, I'm not gonna sit here and explain
to a general authority that one of his own leaders
was like making a joke and he's been living off
a lie for a month. So I was like, yeah,
I took Spanish in high school. And he's like really,
and it's like, I mean yeah. But and he was
like okay, good he goes, next transfer.
Speaker 1: Will move you.
Speaker 6: We'll move you to Spanish work. I was like, okay, cool,
next transfer. I didn't get moved to Spanish work. However,
the transfer after that, I got moved to Spanish work.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, only one companion.
Speaker 6: The whole time I was in Spanish work, spoke Spanish.
The other time I had a white guy. The other
time I had an incredible young man from Brazil. And
for those of you who think Portuguese and Spanish are
the same thing, let me tell you it's not.
Speaker 1: The same thing.
Speaker 6: So I didn't train Spanish, I didn't speak Spanish, and
I didn't have Spanish speaking companions.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you this, to Ape's point, I
ate incredible.
Speaker 2: A joke turned into hey, look you got some great
and riching experiences from that, did you not?
Speaker 6: That is outlet finer's fire if I've ever oh, because
it's not. Look, I get that they don't teach you
the whole language and the MTC. I'm sure you can
speak to that. However, there's a big difference between your
whole leading up to your mission, you're thinking you're speaking English,
and your first six of the months in the mission
you are speaking English, and then six months in it's like, oh, hey,
by the way, you're speaking Spanish now. And another thing
that sucked was like I wasn't living and again, you
probably could speak to this. I wasn't living in Mexico,
so I wasn't even fully immersed. I wasn't to learn
it because everywhere the signs were everything. You know, like,
so you're just like kind of trying to force yourself
to learn as you go. So, yeah, I learned Spanish
on my mission, all because of a practical, sarcastic joke
that I didn't want to own up to and just
say I did speak Spanish.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of missionaris out there that like it, called
it English speaking and that, but they had taken two
years of Spanish in high school and then they actually
transition because they want to, and then they learn the language.
Speaker 1: It's it's a great blessing under them.
Speaker 6: That was I got to see in Spanish my sophomore year,
and I don't think I took it after that.
Speaker 2: So all right, let's get to our our polls and
our questions of the day. Uh coming out, I, like
I said, we talked to Parker Kingston the first segment.
I do want to talk some Camp Killani now. Uh,
it's Thursday, right, which means we're a day away from
Camp Killani starting.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: Camp Killani is around the corner, and we've discussed kind
of the key storylines leading up to Camp Killan's twenty
twenty kickoff. Is there one storyline in particular right now
that you're like most jazzed about most juiced about where
your eyes are being kind of you're casting your gaze
at that particular storyline right now, Ronnie, What do you
got for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Look, I mean I've I've gotten chastised by the fans
on Twitter. I want to see who's who's starting right
away at RB two, but I guess RB one because
I don't think he is gonna be going or does
he need to. That's my biggest thing. I know people
are gonna say QB two. I get it, that's obviously
a given one because without bear but being the running
back to last year was obsolete, was non existent.
Speaker 1: You know, if is healthy.
Speaker 5: I've heard that from many of guests, Tidy hearing that,
you know, oh with pressa Rex is not good, heard
that too. They It's just like, oh, Devon Neck is
coming to make a noise?
Speaker 1: Can I see it?
Speaker 5: Can I see it been from my own eyes? Can
I see somebody go do it? I think that's the
biggest thing that I'm looking forward to, because again I'm
being honest when I say this, And I think if
you would ask Kalani off record, he maybe even on record,
he might say it. I think that position and that thing,
and RB two is wide open even with what in
the pop Charcha bowl. I believe running back too is
up for grabs and nobody's locked in at that position.
Speaker 2: All right, what do you got for me? I dig it,
I dig it big time. What do you got for me? Brett,
I was wringing the hammer.
Speaker 1: I think I've I've been riding this one. I think
I'm I I'm not as big on.
Speaker 6: The quarterback two discussion as I think a lot of
people are. For me, it's it's it's the easy one.
I think it's wide receiver. I believe in the stable
of horses in the backfield, even though I know I
rode the Who's RB two train harder than anybody over
the last six seven months. But I actually and I
didn't think we would be saying this, But I have
bigger questions about the wide receiver position now than I
do about the running back position. To your point about Ron,
about Jodah, Vessa, de Mooney, Preston, Maybe Devon Ekka gets
in there, but at least I know there's a returning
Big twelve player of the Year there, So like whatever
the depth looks like, cool, Who's ID receiver?
Speaker 1: One on the seat.
Speaker 6: Is it Are you sure that it's Jojo? Are you
sure that it's Tiger Bachmer Because I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now.
Speaker 6: The thing that makes me feel really good is man
the stable of horses that you brought in with this
recruiting class, and then you have guys like Reggie first
connect and other guys who maybe didn't play as much
as we would have liked last year. Maybe they have
something special. I think there's a ton of talent and
a ton of potential. The receiver room is really raw.
I'm really excited to see who steps up and balls
out ap.
Speaker 3: I'm going to agree with Brett, but I'm gonna be
a little bit more specific. Tiger Bachmeer's the story for me.
I think Tiger has a real opportunity. To me, so
Tiger is actually the first person that I've ever been
a part of an interview with was this last year,
and to me, he's still the most impressive in we've
had since from a player. He was a really good interview.
I think he's got all the traits to be a
leader in that room.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 7: This is his senior season.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what kind of work he's been
putting in to separate himself the opportunities there. I think
he got himself in the too deep last year on
a pretty short notice coming in and now you've got
some of the key guys from last year have cleared
out of the room. I think this is an opportunity
for Tiger. I think I think Jaron Pula has got
a real shot too, to be a first or second option,
because that kid is talented.
Speaker 1: He is really, really good.
Speaker 3: And in terms of Jojo, I know the coaches love
him because of his physical traits, but to me, if
his mentality on the playing field doesn't change, I think
he's going to be pushed out of the starting lineup
they do because for what I've seen is, yes, he
has traits, but at times it feels like the effort
was lacks the daisical and he wasn't.
Speaker 7: Attacking every play.
Speaker 3: And when you've got guys like a Tiger Bachmeyer, a
Jaron Puola, a Reggie Friskneck, Cody Hagan, all these all
these guys who have a lot of talent and are
putting in the work, it's hard for me to justify
saying that Jojo is a clear cut number one, or
even in the starting lineup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the options here, guys Kibi two, Trayson
Boorgay versus Nik Watson number two.
Speaker 1: What will the defense look like under Kelly.
Speaker 2: Papinga at the helm and at the helm and then
the new defensive back coaches Lewis Clark and Tomorrio Warren.
Speaker 1: What does that look like? How?
Speaker 2: How's that assimilating those players getting coached up, et cetera,
RB two, Shioni Moo versus jovester Mundi versus Presson Rex
versus Devon Eka versus Logan Payne.
Speaker 4: Who steps up there? Who's going to be that guy
alone side l J.
Speaker 1: Martin?
Speaker 2: What's going on in the wide receiver room? Who's the
wide receiver one?
Speaker 1: What is this? Uh?
Speaker 2: Is this a by committee approach? What's the depth like?
Who are the playmakers? All that new offensive line transfers
in O line cohesion? When you you do have some
new faces there, who's going to be the starting offensive line?
And then, uh, I guess you know what? What would
be the other I'm gonna put out? You know, please
list any other storylines that you're intrigued by right now?
Speaker 1: Those are the ones that I have on the list.
Speaker 6: I think linebacker is interesting just because you know what
you have with Isaiah Glasker, the Kate Luave, Jake Clifton
convers Again, it's not like a question of like are
they going to be good enough? It's just a question of, like,
what do you have there with all the potential that's
in that room, especially coming off of losing Jack Kelly
that is LBU.
Speaker 2: Still in effect, Kadula, Jake Clifton, Uh, some new faces there.
Isaiah Glasker is a leader, Sarah's supposed to be a leader, right,
those guys.
Speaker 4: Are all coming back.
Speaker 7: I'll just throwing a name to watch.
Speaker 1: I think he from Asiata's got a.
Speaker 7: Ton of talent.
Speaker 1: He does, He's he's very got a lot of potential
on there.
Speaker 6: That and let's be real, you had to go deeper
into your linebacker room at points this year than maybe
you would have originally thought. So knowing that you have
guys like he from Asciata and Jake Clifton and and
just a deep linebacker room is awesome to see. Again,
it's just a question of, like, you have a lot
of talent there, who's gonna be the cream that rises
to the top.
Speaker 1: What other newcomers.
Speaker 2: Like, out of the newcomers, who you most intrigued to
get eyes on in Camp Koalani I want to know about,
Like when you show up, right, it's like, all right,
who am I looking for? Where's the number? You've looked
at the roster, You've looked at the number. You're like,
all right, who am I trying to find? To size
him up, to see how he runs, to see how
he cuts, to see how he uh his footwork, his speed,
his agility, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I want to know about. Kyler Casper. Yeah, okay, so yeah,
you go back to your wide receiver SiGe. Yeah, he
feels like not mysterious.
Speaker 6: But again, when you're a BYU fan and you know,
oh my gosh, we're getting a guy from Oregon. Yes,
you are a former four star whose dad won a Super.
Speaker 1: Bowl with the Broncos.
Speaker 6: I want to say, was at one point the all
time leading receiver at the University of Iowa. So like
it feels like externally there's a ton of potential there.
And if we're being frank, you need a big body
possession with some high end speed to fill the Chase
Roberts spot. Because this is like the first sign in
what feels like twenty years, you've played without a game
without Chase Roberts.
Speaker 1: I'm really curious.
Speaker 6: To see what Kyler Casper looks like because the pushback is, well,
if he was that good, why didn't he play at Oregon?
Speaker 1: And I hear that, and I understand that. My pushback
to that.
Speaker 6: Would be, you do realize that Oregon is like basically
wide receiver speedster you it's hard to get playing time
there unless you're going first round to the NFL. So
I'm I'm really curious to get a couple lies on
a guy like Kyler Kasper, especially because the role of
wide receiver one opened up big time, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: API on who's the newcomer?
Speaker 3: I already mentioned Daron Pula, But I'm gonna shift. I
I'm gonna admit it. I'm a lone peak homer, like,
let's be real.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but so now the question, Yeah, I was gonna say,
there's a couple of loan peak I think is a
huge one to watch.
Speaker 3: I want to see if he can crack the two
D as a freshman, because that kid, I don't I
don't know if I can express how much insane talent
it takes to go from four star defensive linemen to
also being a four star offensive lineman. I have it
on pretty good authority that Loan Peak the defensive coaches
were not necessarily happy when Bot said I'm switching the
offensive line, because they knew how good he was. And
then he went on the offensive line and he was
still a four star ninety four rated per two four
seven Sports recruit. I want to see what that guy
can do.
Speaker 1: I like that a lot Ronald.
Speaker 2: Is there a guy you're trying to look out for
as soon as we get there, you're trying to size
him up, trying to see how big, how strong, how
fast he is, how well he moves who you're looking
at and why?
Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously the names that have been mentioned of, you know,
the Pool and the Mula Talas de Eka. How about
this one, though, Ben, and I think he's here, and
correct me if I'm wrong. If I don't have to
go back to the drawing board. But I want to
see Braxton lindsay. I want to, you know, I want
to size that guy out. Justin inner raved about them.
When I was able to get one of those final
interviews before they went to the Pop Tarts Bowl, Ben,
he was signed. Now he's over special teams obviously, but
in that linebacker edge rusherroom, you look, you know, you
with Nucy, you know, getting that surgery, not going to participate.
Who's going to be there, you know, along with the Hunter,
Klegainst the Silicon, who else is going to be there?
Speaker 1: Ben?
Speaker 5: So I want to see what Braxton Lindsay as a newcomer,
because you need Depp at the linebacker.
Speaker 1: Position, at the edge rodger position.
Speaker 5: So I'm I'm gonna be looking at Devon Ek of course,
and be looking at bout Mulatalo and me looking at
the poola kid. But I think Braxton Lindsay's a guy
that I want to look at because.
Speaker 1: Ben, you not.
Speaker 5: It's not every day you get a kid from Arkansas
that's been recruited by Arkansas to come to BYU.
Speaker 1: I think that gets overlooked a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We chatted with Kelly papinga earlier this week and I
was like, Hey, who stood out to you in the
off season? Who has stood out to you in the
weight room, the strength and conditioning room. The first guy
he said was actually kenn of Tanavasa. He said, Keanu
is a monster, monster, straight beast. So it'll be intriguing
to see what type of jump Keanu makes. And I
know he's not a newcomer, but I'm just kind of
going off of like what you know K Pop.
Speaker 1: Had mentioned about Van Johnson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Evan Johnson just flying, Yeah, Raiders, been really good athletically,
and so you know, these are the tenured guys that
he's highlighting. Obviously we're talking newcomers here, but I just
want to kind of just kind of level set for
a second with the guys that have looked good in
the off season. Now, let me talk to you about
the newcomers here. One of the acquisitions that needs to
step up because we are thin at cornerback is Javon Williams.
I want to see just how good we are at cornerback,
like we got to be. To me, that's a pain point,
right that we've taken for granted with Gennaro and some
of the guys that have been coached by Gennaro. Okay,
so if my eyes are casting towards the defense, how
good are we defensively?
Speaker 1: What does this look like under K Pop?
Speaker 2: Because we have had a pretty much stay good defense
the last couple of years, and that's the biggest change
from a coaching staff standpoint.
Speaker 1: So that to me, and you know, we lost.
Speaker 2: We've lost some good corners over the last couple of years,
and we've we've continued to like trend in the right direction.
So right now I'm looking at guys like Javin Williams
who are P four proven and have to be good
enough to start at BYU. Coming from the SEC. You
got to you better be good enough to start at
b YU. I'm looking at improvement from Jonathan Kebeya need
him obviously stepping up. Seth Schigg is another guy that
they picked up in the portal. So you have two
transfer portal cornerbacks, Seth Shig and Javin Williams. Seth from
from Army and then Javin from Mississippi State. You have
some some young bucks and Jordan Chris and then Kevin
does a little bit of a project. I want to
see how he's coming along. Cannon Devrees, uh and uh.
We already know what we kind of have with Evan
Johnson and Trey Alexander.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Justice Braithwaite is another one six five pounds legacy player.
So if you ask me, like, Okay, who do you
want to see as are the newcomers, like I want
to see these young corners and see who and the
transfer portal corners and see if they can make an
impact because traditionally BYU has one deep when they're lucky,
they're too deep at corner when I don't know if
they've ever been tried in true three deep at corner
and nickel even last year, remember we'd have Nichols and
so we had to move Tommy from safety over to
nickel and he was hurt and he was hurt after
you know, he got injured and just wasn't you know.
He's gonna be playing free and strong this year, so
you don't have to worry about it unless there's injuries again, right,
But you know, Tommy's been working with Rob Daniel all
all off season and he is his man. Cover is
going to be much improved and even what it was
last year, and he was one of the I think
the top five speechters on the team, so top three
at times from what I've been told. So anyway, those
are the guys I'm looking at. Can't wait to see
him and there's no wrong answer here.
Speaker 1: Chime in on it.
Speaker 2: Want to hear from all you Cougar fans and Cougar
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