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<v Speaker 2>You know, there are a few episodes that I've started

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<v Speaker 2>to know something is to respect it. To respect it

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<v Speaker 2>is to appreciate it. And this episode is ticks. Will

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<v Speaker 2>this week ps Hasheed said, honestly, I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 3>Huh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not stick straws up, turtle noses deal deal Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>acarology acronology, m I'll figure it out. But it comes

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<v Speaker 2>from the Greek akari, which means cheese mite or tick,

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<v Speaker 2>which comes for the word for tiny ps. Side note,

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<v Speaker 2>I just was like a cheese mite and I just

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<v Speaker 2>found out that there are certain mites that live on

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<v Speaker 2>the outside of cheese. Some folks eat them because they

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<v Speaker 2>impart kind of a floral, earthy flavor. So now we

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<v Speaker 2>all know something about cheese mites. Okay, ticks, ticks and

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<v Speaker 2>mites are a raknets like speiders, but in the subclass

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<v Speaker 2>akari and tick nymphs have.

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<v Speaker 3>Six legs, but they have a glow.

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<v Speaker 2>Up and they molt and then boom. Adults have not

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<v Speaker 2>six legs but eight, an extra pair of legs just

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to hug and kiss you, and by that I

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<v Speaker 2>mean cling to you and drink your life juices with

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<v Speaker 2>its stabby dirty mouth. I love bugs so much, but

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<v Speaker 2>ticks and cockroaches are too that I just I have

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<v Speaker 2>a beef with. I want to love them, but their

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<v Speaker 2>existence in my personal space is just a one way

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<v Speaker 2>ticket to barf city. But this was a topic that

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<v Speaker 2>we should all know more about, and I saw how

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<v Speaker 2>this ologists work via Twitter, a tick expert based in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>I gently DMed her, hoping our schedules would align, and

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<v Speaker 2>sadly they did not for a face to face meet up.

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<v Speaker 2>And y'all know me, I'd rather brow down in the

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<v Speaker 2>same room than have like an echoe phone talk. But

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<v Speaker 2>this ologist was wonderful and recorded her side of the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation into our computer. And though the sound quality isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the same as if we were chit chatting in the

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<v Speaker 2>same room in a Hampton inn, it's totally clear. And

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<v Speaker 2>this information is timely as hell. So the weather's getting

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<v Speaker 2>warmer in the US. Hemlines are crawling upward, lawns are flourishing.

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<v Speaker 2>We all need to know what the hell's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with tics. Now we talk about ticks in this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>where they live, where they lurk, how to detect them,

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<v Speaker 2>how dangerous they are, bug spray's conspiracy theories, and what.

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<v Speaker 3>To do if you find one on you.

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<v Speaker 2>This ologist is a medical entomologist and Associate professor of

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<v Speaker 2>biology at West Connecticut State University, where she runs the

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<v Speaker 2>tick Born Disease Prevention Lab, which focuses on the prevention

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<v Speaker 2>of lime other tickborn infections, which, according to many reports,

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<v Speaker 2>have just risen very sharply. So how can we stop

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<v Speaker 2>them from spreading? How do we outsmart these buggy buggers?

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<v Speaker 3>So ticks?

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<v Speaker 2>What is their deal? Why do they want to kill us?

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<v Speaker 2>Or are they just like, oh shoot, I was just hungry.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry, dang it.

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<v Speaker 2>Side note when it comes to the infections themselves, there's

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing disease ecologist in San Francisco who studies things

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<v Speaker 2>you can catch from a tick, and y'all dad words

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<v Speaker 2>over here just doing her best to interview her this

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<v Speaker 2>week and make this a two parter, So stay tuned

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<v Speaker 2>across some fingers. But for now, the first step is

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<v Speaker 2>understanding the life cycle and the bidy habits and the

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<v Speaker 2>mind of the tick. This info is critical. So tuck

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<v Speaker 2>your pants in your socks and get ready. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>time for some TikTok with doctor Nita Pardinani Connilleen. So,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for talking to me. I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>excited to talk about ticks. You have no idea thrilled.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm excited too.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you tell people straight off the bat that you

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<v Speaker 2>work with ticks? Are you excited at cocktail parties to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, guess what I work on?

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, yeah, I used to do that and now I

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<v Speaker 4>try not to. But I you know, any chance I get,

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<v Speaker 4>I will talk about it, but I try not to

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<v Speaker 4>lead with that. I think I learned a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, sometimes it's not always what people want to

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yeah, I would think people would be dying to

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<v Speaker 2>just milk you for information.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean it may have come from a childhood

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<v Speaker 4>experience I had with talking about HEADLCE at the dinner

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<v Speaker 4>table at a friend's house.

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<v Speaker 3>Learning it was not did you have them?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>So actually, so I was about eight years old, and

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<v Speaker 4>my brother and I got sent home from school with

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<v Speaker 4>head lice. And my mom, she's a pathologist, and she

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<v Speaker 4>was like, oh cool. So she had a microscope in

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<v Speaker 4>her bedroom, which didn't seem weird to me at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>and she, you know, found an adult, you know, head

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<v Speaker 4>louse in my brother's hair and she took it out

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<v Speaker 4>and put it under the scope and we got to

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<v Speaker 4>look at it. And I was like, this is amazing,

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<v Speaker 4>and so, you know, not that long afterwards, I went

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<v Speaker 4>to my best friend's house for dinner and I start

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<v Speaker 4>telling them about this, you know, close up view of

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<v Speaker 4>my head louse and having these little claws it was

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<v Speaker 4>holding onto the hair and it was got these little

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<v Speaker 4>hairs hanging off of it, and it was the coolest

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<v Speaker 4>and I was shut down. I learned very quickly that

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<v Speaker 4>it was uncool and it was not dinner time conversation,

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<v Speaker 4>and it stuck with me, I think for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 3>Some time. Did you get invited back?

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<v Speaker 4>And I did. I learned a lot at that friend's house.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, my parents are from India, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>learn how to you know, eat spaghetti with a fork properly.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know what mayonnaise was until I was in

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<v Speaker 4>my name, so it was yeah, thank goodness for that friend.

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<v Speaker 4>I learned a lot about how to be behave.

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of us don't really know what

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<v Speaker 3>mayonnaise is. To be honest, your memory needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>headline and mayonnaise.

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<v Speaker 4>Really.

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<v Speaker 3>So, wait, no, that is a head louse? Is that

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<v Speaker 3>a mite?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's a louse type of mit.

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<v Speaker 3>No might No it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I it's a it's a different organism than okay,

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<v Speaker 4>a mite. Mites and ticks a related lis are totally different.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't know that. Okay, So when did you start?

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<v Speaker 2>When did you decide to start studying books?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so, I think the way that it the best

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<v Speaker 4>describe how this sort of evolved was when I was

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<v Speaker 4>a biology made and everyone in my family basically as

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<v Speaker 4>a medical doctor, and I think there was this expectation

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<v Speaker 4>that I would head that direction, and you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>interested in human health. But I took this parasite biology

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<v Speaker 4>class in college and it was very cool. So human parasites,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know worms, and you know things that live inside,

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<v Speaker 4>but also things that live outside, you know, ecdoparasites, And

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<v Speaker 4>so I thought it was really amazing and so interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I went on to pursue a graduate degree

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<v Speaker 4>in parasite biology. And it turns out a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the parasites that you know are found inside people are

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<v Speaker 4>transmitted by insects and arthropods, like like tics, and so

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<v Speaker 4>it just sort of evolved in that way. So I

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<v Speaker 4>found myself living in a place where black legged ticks

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<v Speaker 4>were ubiquitous, and and so it really just felt felt

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<v Speaker 4>very natural to be able to study to start studying

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<v Speaker 4>these these organisms.

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<v Speaker 3>And were you raised in Connecticut or did you go

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<v Speaker 3>there for school?

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<v Speaker 4>I did not. I was raised in upstate New York,

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<v Speaker 4>outside of Albany, and so that is where I started

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<v Speaker 4>my tic journey.

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<v Speaker 3>Little background.

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<v Speaker 2>Nita got her bachelors in animal biology from Louisiana Tech,

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<v Speaker 2>Masters in Public Health studying human parasitology from Tulane University

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<v Speaker 2>in New Orleans, and then went on to earn a

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<v Speaker 2>PhD in environmental science focusing on medical entomology from the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Rhode Island. She's also been an associate research

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<v Speaker 2>scientist at the Connecticut Emerging Infections Program at.

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<v Speaker 3>Yale's School of Public Health.

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<v Speaker 4>Woman knows ticks really the work that I've been doing

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<v Speaker 4>related to ticks since nineteen ninety eight has been in

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<v Speaker 4>the northeastern United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, which is the place for them? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yes, the black leged ticks for sure, the dear tich.

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<v Speaker 2>And now have you heard of the Have you heard

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<v Speaker 2>of the word achronologist to anyone ever?

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<v Speaker 4>Acarologist? Yes, acharolois.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have like one job here and that is

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<v Speaker 2>to furnish the ologies.

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<v Speaker 3>But sometimes, despite having them on.

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<v Speaker 2>My radar for years, I just boo, oops, can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>what they are. So I just did the equivalent of

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<v Speaker 2>when your dad doesn't know a band name but tries

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<v Speaker 3>And now getting to what is a tick?

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<v Speaker 3>Tick a tick? And how did they get that way? Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>how did they get that way?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? So what makes it take?

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<v Speaker 3>A tick?

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<v Speaker 4>A tick is an organism that's sort of a cousin

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<v Speaker 4>some key features. Whereas an insect would have three body

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<v Speaker 4>segments and six legs, ticks do not have three body segments.

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<v Speaker 4>They really have one major body segment, and then they

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<v Speaker 4>have this sort of head area, at least in the

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<v Speaker 4>and ticks in most stages have eight legs similar to

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<v Speaker 4>their they're spider and my cousins.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick aside, isn't it weird that every tick has grandparents

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<v Speaker 2>and cousins, like every bug you see has uncles.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, they are parasitic and so they require a blood

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<v Speaker 3>Just the words. It's not dramatic like dug me.

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<v Speaker 2>Just it feels definitely like they're a tiny, tiny villain

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<v Speaker 2>in a story.

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<v Speaker 3>Do we just know them as villains? Or are ticks

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<v Speaker 3>good for anything?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean in the general you know ecosystem, the

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<v Speaker 4>ticks will service food sources for you know, other organisms

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<v Speaker 4>like birds will eat them for example. But if you're

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<v Speaker 4>we eradicated all the tics? You know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>the answer to that. I personally really admire ticks very much.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, I don't want people to become sick, but

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<v Speaker 4>I think they're really if you if you learn a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit about them, you could kind of admire how

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<v Speaker 4>they've evolved to be pretty sneaky and although they are

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<v Speaker 4>the villain, like, you know, they do a really good

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<v Speaker 2>What are some of the things that you admire about

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<v Speaker 2>ticks and how they go about doing their business?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well, in the tick that I primarily study is

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<v Speaker 4>the black legged tick, and many people call that the

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<v Speaker 4>deer tick. And it is a very like hardy animal, right,

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<v Speaker 4>so it can survive, you know, in temperate regions of

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<v Speaker 4>and so it can sustain very cold temperatures like it

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<v Speaker 4>can live in you know, Minnesota and Wisconsin where it's

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<v Speaker 4>very cold. It can live for a long time under

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<v Speaker 4>the snow. It lives for a long time. This particular

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<v Speaker 4>tick has a two year life cycle.

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<v Speaker 3>Two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Granted I have refrigerator mustard older than that, but still

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<v Speaker 2>that's twenty four of your periods. That's two hanukkahs. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a longer lifespan than some pairs of shoes or the

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<v Speaker 3>A master's degree.

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<v Speaker 2>So just think you could meet someone, fall in love,

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<v Speaker 2>move in together, fall out of love, break up, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe be over it, and there's still a tick out

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<v Speaker 2>there that was on the planet for all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>That was sadder than I intended, but whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of hard to kill this tick. And on

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<v Speaker 4>top of that, when it is when we think of

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<v Speaker 4>it as a parasite, as something that you know, requires

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<v Speaker 4>a host in order to carry out its life cycle,

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<v Speaker 4>it really has a you know, evolved to have these

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<v Speaker 4>features that makes it go, you know, undetected. So this

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<v Speaker 4>tick in particular, and many tick species will feed for

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<v Speaker 4>several days on a host. And so if you think

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<v Speaker 4>about a mosquito, you know, it lands, it takes a

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<v Speaker 4>quick blood meal, and by the time you realize it's there,

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<v Speaker 4>you know you've swatted it away. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when a tick has to feed on a host for

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<v Speaker 4>several days, it doesn't want to be detected, right, So

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<v Speaker 4>it has this saliva that is full of all sorts

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<v Speaker 4>of components that can fight the host immune system, so

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<v Speaker 4>you don't typically when you're being a host for a tick,

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<v Speaker 4>you may not feel it. You won't feel itchy, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't feel paid, because it has in its and it's saliva,

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<v Speaker 4>It has alvasodilators, it has anti coagulation factors, it's got

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<v Speaker 4>these substances that really can protect it. And also it

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<v Speaker 4>keeps your blood from plotting, and so you can it

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<v Speaker 4>can just start pulling in that blood very effectively.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so just a little aside on why they are tiny,

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<v Speaker 2>creepy vampires. So many tick species need a blood meal

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<v Speaker 2>to get to its next life stage, kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a video game leveling up, only they are detecting your breath,

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<v Speaker 2>your odors, and your movement and sometimes crawling on vegetation

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<v Speaker 2>and outstretching their top two legs waiting to hug you.

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<v Speaker 2>This very thirsty behavior is known as questing, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hereby think it should be applied to humans who go

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<v Speaker 2>out looking for a sugar mama, or a money daddy

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<v Speaker 2>or a non binary bucksfuck. That last one could use

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<v Speaker 2>some workshopping any usel, they find some skin, they you

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<v Speaker 2>like a bitch, and then they stick their straw face

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<v Speaker 2>in you, sometimes using cement like saliva to tack it

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<v Speaker 2>down like hot glue on a bad craft project. So

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<v Speaker 2>their saliva might contain a few thousand proteins that do

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<v Speaker 2>everything from and nesthetize you to administer like an anti

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<v Speaker 2>inflammatory so your skin doesn't freak out and tattle that

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<v Speaker 2>you are being used as a blood buffet? Did I

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<v Speaker 2>mention that they can get engorged with your blood two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred to three hundred times their original weight. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine what a boss you'd be if you could hose

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<v Speaker 2>a soup plantation like that for the price of one meal,

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<v Speaker 2>like pay fifteen ninety nine and walk out of there

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<v Speaker 2>weighing four thousand pounds and just set for the winter.

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<v Speaker 3>Ticks do that.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't even pay the price of admission. They sneak

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<v Speaker 2>in the back. Well you blinked, I mean respect.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's it's pretty good. And it's not to say

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<v Speaker 4>all people don't have a reaction to tick bites, because

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<v Speaker 4>some people people have quite a reaction, particularly after they've

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<v Speaker 4>been bitten several times. But the fact that it can

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<v Speaker 4>go on undetected, particularly the adult stage tics that are

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<v Speaker 4>pretty large, It's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of like the stealth bomber of tiny paras,

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<v Speaker 2>totally under the radar. And now you mentioned adults versus

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<v Speaker 2>little guys, and I understand that the nymphs are the size.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a poppy seed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so quick background on this. I mentioned this in

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<v Speaker 2>will kill.

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<v Speaker 3>You, Hey, ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>So the CDC to really viscerally, appallingly, delightfully illustrate how

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<v Speaker 2>tiny ticks are, put three little baby tick nymphs on

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<v Speaker 2>a big, like softball sized Costco poppy seed muffin and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't until the third confused zoom in that you

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<v Speaker 2>could even see their little leggies. US Americans not always

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<v Speaker 2>fans of truth and consequences. The CDC tod taking it down,

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<v Speaker 2>but I like to burn the image into your brain,

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<v Speaker 2>not to ruin muffins, but to make you just stop

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<v Speaker 2>and think if I had a poppy seed somewhere on

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<v Speaker 2>my body right now, would I even know? And as

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<v Speaker 2>a person who got ranch dressing on her face hours ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to wager.

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<v Speaker 3>A no here buddies.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're very tiny right now in terms of their

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<v Speaker 2>life cycle. Are a lot of the little guys out

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<v Speaker 2>in the spring?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a higher risk of tick bites in this

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<v Speaker 3>time of year. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So the way that it works is there's three main stages.

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<v Speaker 4>There's the larval stage, which usually feeds on small mammals

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<v Speaker 4>and birds, and then there's the mimph stage, which you

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<v Speaker 4>said is the size of about a poppy seed. And

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<v Speaker 4>actually we put them under the microscope here in the

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<v Speaker 4>lab because we were like, are they really the size

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<v Speaker 4>of a poppy seed? Yeah, and they actually they are

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<v Speaker 4>approximately the size of a poppy seed. But truly, the

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<v Speaker 4>poppy seed is easier to see I see, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a little bit darker than an imp stage black

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<v Speaker 4>legged tick, and and you know, the coloration is more uniform.

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<v Speaker 4>So it really is maybe easier to see a poppy

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<v Speaker 4>scene than to see the nymph stage tick.

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<v Speaker 3>But the tick in its nymph stage.

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<v Speaker 4>In this region the northeastern United States and in the

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<v Speaker 4>Upper Midwest where it's most common, are typically active, most

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<v Speaker 4>active in the spring and early summer months, so we

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<v Speaker 4>really see them start coming out in May and then

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<v Speaker 4>really picking up after Memorial Day, with their activity peaking

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<v Speaker 4>in the early a few weeks of June, and then

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<v Speaker 4>you know, slowly, you know, subsiding as we get into

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<v Speaker 4>the end of July. And it's not to say that

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<v Speaker 4>you couldn't find a nymph during other months of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>You certainly can. We collected some nymphs in October last year.

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<v Speaker 4>But they're most active during the spring and early summer months.

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<v Speaker 2>And is that when most people who get a tickborn

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<v Speaker 2>illness will contract it or does that happen you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much all through the temperate months.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so most cases of lime disease and some of

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<v Speaker 4>the other diseases that are associated with black legged tick

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<v Speaker 4>bites occur you know, during the time or shortly after

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<v Speaker 4>the time when the black legged tick nymph stage is active,

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<v Speaker 4>so spring and summer we see cases into August and September.

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<v Speaker 4>But with that said, the adult stage of tick, which

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<v Speaker 4>is active in the fall and in the spring and

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<v Speaker 4>even in the winter when the weather is above you know, freezing,

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<v Speaker 4>that tick also can transmit infectious agents to humans and

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<v Speaker 4>actually is twice as likely to be infected than the nyphs.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing about nyphs.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that they're out during the time of year that

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<v Speaker 4>more people tend to be recreating outside. And also they're

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<v Speaker 4>very tiny, and the adults are a little bit easier

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<v Speaker 4>to spot. So yeah, it's kind of just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's bad luck for us, but good luck for the

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<v Speaker 4>tick in terms of their timing of activity.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so adult ticks bigger and more lime, and disease

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<v Speaker 2>ridden nymphs less lime. But it's more likely you'll find

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<v Speaker 2>one in a crevice in spring because no one is

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<v Speaker 2>out in November picnicking at an outdoor concert series, or

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<v Speaker 2>making out with a tinder date in a park, or

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<v Speaker 2>heading to the woods to cook over a fire, or

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<v Speaker 2>making an appearance in a speedo trying to get that

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<v Speaker 2>D that's sweet, sweet vitamin D. So what about flim flammery?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any that Nita would just like to take

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<v Speaker 2>to the mat and debunk.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, thank you for this opportunity. Ticks do not fly,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't jump, they don't hop. Right, So you hear

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people saying that the ticks are falling

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<v Speaker 4>out of the trees under their heads, and so that

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<v Speaker 4>is unlikely to happen. Well, they're on the vegetation. You

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<v Speaker 4>mice and birds and they're kind of low to the ground,

424
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<v Speaker 4>and then the adult stages are looking for deer, and

425
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<v Speaker 4>they tend to crawl up a little higher on the

426
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<v Speaker 4>vegetation to find a deer, and then they'll crawl upward

427
00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:54.240
<v Speaker 4>on people until they find a good spot. So if

428
00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.880
<v Speaker 4>you find a tick on your head, it probably found

429
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<v Speaker 4>you somewhere lower on your body and crawled up and

430
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<v Speaker 4>it didn't fall out of a tree. So that is

431
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<v Speaker 4>something that I think is often misunderstood. I've got and

432
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<v Speaker 4>I think that's the big one.

433
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<v Speaker 3>And that and that and leaving the head end.

434
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<v Speaker 4>We don't really leave the whole head in, just the

435
00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:19.240
<v Speaker 4>feeding tube when you remove a tick, and and I

436
00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:21.759
<v Speaker 4>think just getting removing it is the most important thing.

437
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:23.640
<v Speaker 4>So even if you leave a little piece of the

438
00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.000
<v Speaker 4>mouth parents better than leaving the tick attached.

439
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<v Speaker 3>Right do you ever look at doctor pimple Popper?

440
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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, it's funny you mention that, because I

441
00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:36.400
<v Speaker 4>actually don't really watch TV. And recently we had a

442
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.359
<v Speaker 4>friend over and it was late in the night and

443
00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:41.839
<v Speaker 4>they decided to show us this and it was really something.

444
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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's disgusting.

445
00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:46.519
<v Speaker 2>There was this one little video she posted where she's like, yeah,

446
00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I was treating a patient dermatology patient and his girlfriend

447
00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:50.279
<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, can you.

448
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Check out this growth I've got.

449
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:53.680
<v Speaker 2>We had it for a couple of days and she

450
00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.039
<v Speaker 2>looked at it was like a fully engorged doc tick,

451
00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.960
<v Speaker 2>just floopy flopping off of her abdomen. And doctor pimple

452
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.799
<v Speaker 2>Popper was like, yeah, that's a tick. But I guess

453
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:05.039
<v Speaker 2>you just thought it was a new mole.

454
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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

455
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<v Speaker 4>I know. Well so that so that surprises me a

456
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:13.519
<v Speaker 4>little bit, just because you know, adult tics, particularly dog ticks,

457
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:16.720
<v Speaker 4>are quite big, and particularly when they're in gorge. I

458
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<v Speaker 4>mean think of like a raisinet. That's really what they

459
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:21.880
<v Speaker 4>look like to me. Yeah, sorry if I ruined raisinetes

460
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:24.960
<v Speaker 4>for you forever, but I you know they do. That's

461
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.079
<v Speaker 4>if you put an in gorged female deer tick next

462
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<v Speaker 4>to a raisinet, they're almost hard to tell apart and

463
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.119
<v Speaker 4>I and I that's how big it is. If you

464
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<v Speaker 4>had one of those hanging off your ear abdomen, I

465
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:37.839
<v Speaker 4>think that would be at least for me, would be alarming.

466
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<v Speaker 4>See the head right there, and this is the body

467
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<v Speaker 4>here with the feet, so we need.

468
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<v Speaker 3>To try to pick it up.

469
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<v Speaker 4>Sorry my hurting you.

470
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:56.799
<v Speaker 3>God, that thing was on tight.

471
00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:01.519
<v Speaker 4>But you know, with nymphs, even when they're engorged with blood,

472
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, they're still very small and and so I

473
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:08.680
<v Speaker 4>think that, you know, not being able to detect one

474
00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:10.319
<v Speaker 4>or no or just think it's like a sleck of

475
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:12.480
<v Speaker 4>dirt is very common.

476
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<v Speaker 2>I do love the CDC poppy seed muffin comparison.

477
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:18.880
<v Speaker 3>That was great. I was so bummed when they had

478
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:20.519
<v Speaker 3>to take it down. People were grossed out.

479
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:22.079
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's see.

480
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:22.839
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

481
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.559
<v Speaker 4>I also think that that was great and very effective,

482
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:27.920
<v Speaker 4>and I know it maybe ruined poppy seed muffins for

483
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.359
<v Speaker 4>some people, but I thought it really just drives home

484
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 4>the point and the visual of like, this is what

485
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 4>you're looking for. So so maybe we can bring back

486
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:37.400
<v Speaker 4>the poppy seed muffins.

487
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<v Speaker 2>It's better to be grossed out for thirty seconds on

488
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Twitter by a poppy seed muffin than to be, you know,

489
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.079
<v Speaker 2>putting yourself at risk. What's the best way to not

490
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.400
<v Speaker 2>get bitten by one? Is it repellent? Is it wearing

491
00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:49.759
<v Speaker 2>just a wet suit?

492
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:55.799
<v Speaker 4>I'm one suit of armor. Yeah, so unfortunately, in you know,

493
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:59.680
<v Speaker 4>the forty years since lime disease was first described, you

494
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<v Speaker 4>know here in the state of Connecticut, we you know,

495
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:06.640
<v Speaker 4>haven't really done a super job at getting people to

496
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:09.680
<v Speaker 4>prevent disease. In fact, a number of cases in the

497
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:13.839
<v Speaker 4>nation has been growing rather than rather than subsiding. But

498
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<v Speaker 4>what we we do know from from many research studies

499
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.160
<v Speaker 4>is that there are some things that may be protective

500
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:24.160
<v Speaker 4>against lime disease specifically. So, for example, we know that

501
00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 4>in a couple of studies, performing bodily tick checks frequently

502
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 4>can be protective against lime disease. So that is inspecting

503
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:36.880
<v Speaker 4>your body, and that includes your entire body, so particularly

504
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 4>the cracks and the crevices and the you know arm

505
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.079
<v Speaker 4>becausey yeah, well right, so because a tick will crawl

506
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.160
<v Speaker 4>up right, so it'll crawl, it'll find its host. It'll

507
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 4>be waiting on the vegetation for a host to walk by,

508
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.960
<v Speaker 4>and so it may you may encounter it at your leg,

509
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.000
<v Speaker 4>but if there's no skin showing there, it will keep

510
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.480
<v Speaker 4>walking up until it finds some skin. So that might

511
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:59.920
<v Speaker 4>mean it will crawl under your shirt and into your

512
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.279
<v Speaker 4>arm pit or up into your hair behind ears. We

513
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.480
<v Speaker 4>find a lot of them at places that are constricted

514
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:11.240
<v Speaker 4>by say a bra strap or underwear wiste bands, those

515
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.160
<v Speaker 4>kinds of things. And so performing a tick check is

516
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.079
<v Speaker 4>a good idea, and actually performing when daily is a

517
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:22.519
<v Speaker 4>great idea. Because the lime causing tick, the black legod tich,

518
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.319
<v Speaker 4>is unlikely to transmit the bacteria that causes lime if

519
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:28.400
<v Speaker 4>it's been attached less than twenty four hours.

520
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:33.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so this is amazing news. There's a magical window,

521
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.119
<v Speaker 2>an almost biological grace period in which you are less

522
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 2>likely to have one of these tiny bastards drool a

523
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.599
<v Speaker 2>disease into your blood. So take a moment to just

524
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.559
<v Speaker 2>feel yourself all around. Get comfy with a hand mirror. Also,

525
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 2>you can do this one thing that people on the

526
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>bus might appreciate as well.

527
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

528
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:54.599
<v Speaker 4>So the other thing you can do, and there's a

529
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:56.960
<v Speaker 4>couple of studies that support this, is take a bath

530
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Speaker 4>or shower shortly after coming in from being outside. So

531
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 4>that could work in a couple of ways. So you

532
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.920
<v Speaker 4>could be washing off ticks that haven't yet attached. If

533
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 4>the tick is attached, you know it's not going to

534
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.839
<v Speaker 4>wash off. Unfortunately, it will stay there. The water will

535
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.759
<v Speaker 4>not do anything to deter it, but if you haven't

536
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:16.839
<v Speaker 4>hasn't attached, you could maybe wash it off. You're also

537
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 4>removing the clothes that you're wearing. They may have ticks

538
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.079
<v Speaker 4>crawling upon them. And another thing you can do, and

539
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.519
<v Speaker 4>this is all this sort of personal protective measures you

540
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 4>can take. You can take your clothing after you've been

541
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 4>outside and put it right in the dryer. There was

542
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.519
<v Speaker 4>a study that showed that if you put the clothes

543
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.599
<v Speaker 4>directly into the dryer and dry them on high heat

544
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:36.440
<v Speaker 4>for ten minutes, that should kill the ticks that are

545
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:37.599
<v Speaker 4>crawling upon them.

546
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 2>What do you do when you're out in field season

547
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 2>and your job is literally to get yourself close to

548
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:48.119
<v Speaker 2>like a tick bomb and just drag layers of cloth

549
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 2>through tick infested weeds? Like what do researchers do? Do

550
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:53.880
<v Speaker 2>you just cover yourselves in?

551
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 3>Like? Dat what happened?

552
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Well so in my case, my goal is to

553
00:28:57.920 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 4>get as many ticks as possible, so I don't cover

554
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.160
<v Speaker 4>my self indeed at all. In fact, in you know,

555
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 4>when I'm sampling for adult tics, I find that I'm

556
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:09.039
<v Speaker 4>more effective using my body as a method to collect

557
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.960
<v Speaker 4>ticks than to use a flannel tick drag or a flag,

558
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 4>which is what we use typically to collect nymph stage ticks,

559
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.319
<v Speaker 4>and so you know our field staff, I of course

560
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.640
<v Speaker 4>want to keep everyone very safe. They wear long sleeve

561
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 4>white coveralls that zip up to the neck. They tuck

562
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 4>their pants in long white socks, and depending on the

563
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.119
<v Speaker 4>study that we're doing, oftentimes we have those coveralls. They

564
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 4>are treated with products that contains permethrin, which is a

565
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 4>access a pesticide and also a repellent which we know

566
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:43.960
<v Speaker 4>is very effective at repelling and killing ticks or knocking

567
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.759
<v Speaker 4>them down. And so you actually can buy this stuff

568
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:50.799
<v Speaker 4>to put on your own clothing, and it's great because

569
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 4>it lasts through many washings. So it's a it's called permethrin,

570
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.640
<v Speaker 4>and you can either buy a retail clothing item that

571
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.440
<v Speaker 4>is already factory impregnated with permethrine, or you can buy

572
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 4>the spray. Usually you can find it at camping and

573
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 4>hiking retailers.

574
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, side note. I know all about this chemical because

575
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I was covered in a constellation of red itchy bumps

576
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.720
<v Speaker 2>in Hawaii last November, and I spent most of my

577
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>time in Paradise convinced I had scabies and rubbing this

578
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>formula on me just in case turns out it wasn't scabies,

579
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>just mosquitoes. But now I have half a tube of

580
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>this in my medicine cabinet, and I just hope no

581
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:30.720
<v Speaker 2>one discovers and googles it. I feel like we're closer

582
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 2>now that I've shared. Anyway, It's a synthetic form of

583
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 2>compounds found in chrysanthemums, and it acts by disrupting nerve

584
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:43.160
<v Speaker 2>cell membranes, causing paralysis and death of some ticks and

585
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Speaker 2>mites and other bugs. You can also just miss it

586
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 2>on your cargo shorts and not on your actual body,

587
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 2>but rubbing some fresh mums down your pants likely will not.

588
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Do the trick.

589
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:56.640
<v Speaker 2>It also wouldn't hurt if you wanted to, and you

590
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 2>can spray.

591
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 4>Say you have gardening clothes or clothes you do yard

592
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 4>work in, you can spray that, and those could be

593
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:07.240
<v Speaker 4>the clothes you wear outside. But typically we don't, you know,

594
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.720
<v Speaker 4>we don't we want the tics, so we just are

595
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, have eagle eyes. We check one another after

596
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.000
<v Speaker 4>being at each field site, and we do it that way.

597
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 4>But for my children, you know, I have two kids,

598
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 4>and everybody knows that TIC checking is part of our

599
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:28.960
<v Speaker 4>daily routine. Sometimes multiple tic checks a day and taking

600
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.319
<v Speaker 4>a bath or shower, particularly this time of year, everybody

601
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 4>bathes daily, and I highly recommend that that's not you know,

602
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.079
<v Speaker 4>there's all sorts of landscaping things that you can do

603
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.599
<v Speaker 4>in your backyard, but you know, taking a bath or

604
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.279
<v Speaker 4>shower is really you know, it doesn't cost a lot.

605
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.000
<v Speaker 4>We like it when people bathe. It's not controversial. It's

606
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:48.599
<v Speaker 4>easy to do.

607
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Well.

608
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.160
<v Speaker 2>It depends on if you're depressed, but yes, that should

609
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>be easy.

610
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay. Have you ever gotten bitten by a tick?

611
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.759
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Sure, absolutely, I've been bitten many times by ticks

612
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:04.119
<v Speaker 4>over the years, and it's a I think a hazard

613
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 4>of the occupation.

614
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>And now you obviously you study lime disease, which is

615
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:11.200
<v Speaker 2>such a huge.

616
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Issue right now.

617
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever worried that you have contracted lime disease

618
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 2>or what are your personal feelings about it?

619
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Well, certainly lime disease is a very important human disease,

620
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 4>and everyone should who lives in an area where these

621
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.400
<v Speaker 4>ticks are prevalent should be aware and really try to

622
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.880
<v Speaker 4>prevent it. Now for myself, so, I don't know if

623
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 4>you call this lucky or unlucky. I've had in my life.

624
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 4>I've always been extremely sensitive to the bites of many

625
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 4>different kinds of arthropods, so I have a severe allergy

626
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 4>to many types of stinging bees, fire ants, I can mosquitos.

627
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.880
<v Speaker 4>I have very poor reaction. And so even with tics,

628
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 4>when they I think as soon as they attach and

629
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 4>start to salivate, which they do to anchor themselves into

630
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:58.559
<v Speaker 4>the skin, before they even start to take blood, I

631
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 4>will get quite a large reaction to these organisms, and

632
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:04.440
<v Speaker 4>I'll be able to detect it and remove it.

633
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, a quick rundown of what is in the ticks

634
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.359
<v Speaker 2>tool kit, and by that I mean they're a live face.

635
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<v Speaker 2>So they have two palps, which are parts of their mouth,

636
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>like little tough mustaches, and they have callisceri which cut

637
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 2>through their host's skin. And then of course they have

638
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 2>that one barbed needle like hypostome, kind of like a

639
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:32.039
<v Speaker 2>cross between a boba straw and Satan's tiny pitchfork. But

640
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Nita isn't a frequent victim, thankfully.

641
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.839
<v Speaker 4>So I've never had a tick feed particularly long on me. Actually,

642
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure a tick is ever, you know, taken

643
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 4>a blood meal, at least not a black legged tick.

644
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.799
<v Speaker 4>I did once find a dog tick in my hair

645
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 4>that might have been there for a day. And the

646
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.039
<v Speaker 4>dog tick carries you can transmit Rocky Mountain spotted fever,

647
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.359
<v Speaker 4>but not lime disease, and Rocky Mountains spotted fever is

648
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.599
<v Speaker 4>much more rare, and it was okay, but yeah, it's

649
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 4>something we take very seriously because this tick that we

650
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.960
<v Speaker 4>study can carry not just one but actually five recognize

651
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.880
<v Speaker 4>tickborn illnesses. It's full of all sorts of different microorganisms

652
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:12.679
<v Speaker 4>that who knows, you know, may turn out to have

653
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 4>some sort of human disease causing capability. And so all

654
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.800
<v Speaker 4>of our you know, seasonal staff and anyone who's working

655
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.119
<v Speaker 4>in tick research, we are very careful about being safe

656
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 4>and protecting ourselves.

657
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're all crossing our fingers. I made this a

658
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>last minute, opportunistic two parter with a disease ecologist, but

659
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.880
<v Speaker 2>just to wet your infectious barbed whistle, here are some

660
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:41.079
<v Speaker 2>other things ticks can spit into you and a plasmosis, babiosis,

661
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:47.599
<v Speaker 2>bore Yella, bourbon virus, Colorado tick fever, er lichiosis, Heartland virus,

662
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 2>lime disease, Poacan disease, ricketsiosis, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, Southern

663
00:34:54.079 --> 00:35:00.199
<v Speaker 2>tick associated rash illness, tickborn relapsing fever to laramia, some

664
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 2>robot sounding thing called thirty six for d ricketsiosis ticks.

665
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 2>I know it's not your fault. You just got caught

666
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.880
<v Speaker 2>up in a bad disease racket, but dang, you are

667
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 2>not welcome in my bot crack. So let's lightly touch

668
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<v Speaker 2>on a few though. Let's talk a little bit about

669
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 2>the diseases in particular. You mentioned that you study five,

670
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.320
<v Speaker 2>but is the one that's at the forefront the most

671
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>lime disease just because of its prevalence right now?

672
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<v Speaker 4>Oh, absolutely so. Lime disease is the number one reported

673
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 4>vector borne disease in the country. So cases are reported

674
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<v Speaker 4>by doctors and laboratories to state health departments, who then

675
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.920
<v Speaker 4>report them to the CDC, and the CDC counts them,

676
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.519
<v Speaker 4>and so each year there's about thirty thousand cases. But

677
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 4>a couple of studies have estimated that that's very well underreported,

678
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.519
<v Speaker 4>and that there was a study well twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen,

679
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.320
<v Speaker 4>I think it's estimated that the true number of cases

680
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 4>is probably about ten times that, maybe three hundred thousand

681
00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 4>cases per year in its early stages. If caught or

682
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:05.920
<v Speaker 4>most people will be treated and be okay. But in

683
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 4>its late stages, or in some percentage of the population,

684
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 4>even after treatment, they will have persistent symptoms or symptoms

685
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.920
<v Speaker 4>that go away and come back. And so those late

686
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.960
<v Speaker 4>stage complications of lime disease can be very serious. It

687
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:24.599
<v Speaker 4>can involve severe arthritis and neurological involvement, PARTI ACT complication,

688
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.719
<v Speaker 4>facial paralysis, many types of things.

689
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.840
<v Speaker 2>And now with lime disease, can you tell me a

690
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit about what are some of the symptoms of

691
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 2>it and is there a difference between late stage and

692
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:37.559
<v Speaker 2>chronic lime?

693
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 3>What are we looking for?

694
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I'm not a medical doctor, but I can

695
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 4>tell you that in its earliest stages, lime disease can

696
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 4>present itself in a very vague way, kind of flu

697
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:54.119
<v Speaker 4>like symptoms and fever and malaise and you know, feeling

698
00:36:54.239 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 4>generally terrible. So unfortunately, sometimes it goes undiagnosed. The telltale

699
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 4>early symptom of lime disease is what we call many

700
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.920
<v Speaker 4>people call it a bullseye rash or an EM which

701
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 4>stands for your thema migrants rash. And this is a

702
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 4>red rash that will appear usually at the bite site,

703
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 4>but sometimes some area away from the bite site and

704
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 4>there may be multiple ones of them, and they they

705
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:25.000
<v Speaker 4>are typically painless, and so they can go undetected and

706
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.039
<v Speaker 4>they expand and expands over a period of days or

707
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 4>weeks and then it will disappear. And so you can

708
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.719
<v Speaker 4>imagine if you were bitten behind the knee, you may

709
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 4>not see any rash that appears.

710
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>If you need a visual this rash looks like if

711
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the target logo got a little sloppy drunk and manifested

712
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>itself on your skin, as if by a ghostly possession.

713
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 4>Not to be dramatic, and so well, it's believed most

714
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 4>people who do get infected with lime do get a rash.

715
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 4>Not everybody does, or it may go undetected again because

716
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:02.639
<v Speaker 4>it's not painful or itchy and so, but that sign

717
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:06.760
<v Speaker 4>occurs between three and thirty days after infection. If you

718
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.639
<v Speaker 4>can catch that symptom, which is a very classic clinical

719
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 4>symptom of lime disease, you know, that's like one of

720
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 4>the earliest symptoms and so you can treat it well

721
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 4>and it's later stage. We're talking about things like I

722
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 4>mentioned before, in a severe arthritis. There are cases of limecarditis,

723
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:27.320
<v Speaker 4>which is a heart infection. Other neurological issues, and it

724
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 4>really can run the gamut.

725
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 2>And when it comes to having lime disease that might

726
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:37.719
<v Speaker 2>be resolved with an antibiotic versus late stage lime or

727
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.039
<v Speaker 2>maybe what some people call chronic lime, how do you

728
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:45.880
<v Speaker 2>differentiate and how do you also feel about some people

729
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 2>saying one doesn't exist or I guess it's funny that

730
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>lime has such controversy around it.

731
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.800
<v Speaker 3>By funny, I mean weird and scary.

732
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And you know, again, like the way

733
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.920
<v Speaker 4>that we are this from the science that we do

734
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:03.800
<v Speaker 4>is well, first of all, I'm not a medical doctor.

735
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm a tip doctor. I guess you could say, and

736
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 4>it's definitely true that there's a lot of people who

737
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 4>are very ill. And whether it's lime alone, or it's

738
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.199
<v Speaker 4>lime plus some other coinfection, or it's some other tick

739
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.639
<v Speaker 4>born illness, or it's some other illness, you know, I

740
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 4>can't say, but I know that there's a lot of

741
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 4>people who are very very ill from tick born illnesses

742
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 4>and in particular lime disease. And so the place that

743
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:30.360
<v Speaker 4>I come from and the work that we do in

744
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 4>our lab is really focused on prevention and understanding tick

745
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 4>behavior and also human behavior, so that we can we

746
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.840
<v Speaker 4>can prevent lime disease, whether it's early stage or late

747
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 4>stage or post treatment lime disease, or chronic lime disease.

748
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.280
<v Speaker 4>You know, if we can do better at prevention science

749
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:51.280
<v Speaker 4>and being able to convince people to do prevention well

750
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 4>before they have an experience with illness, then really hopefully,

751
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, we can stop having conversations or have fewer

752
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.400
<v Speaker 4>conversations about how sick everybody is, and really start having

753
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 4>conversations about how how well we're doing it keeping people

754
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:05.480
<v Speaker 4>from getting sick.

755
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.119
<v Speaker 3>Right? Are there any documentaries that you like or would

756
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<v Speaker 3>recommend on the topic. Are there any that you're like

757
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 3>usage tic doctor?

758
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<v Speaker 4>I don't. I don't, and it's probably only because I am.

759
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 4>I haven't had a lot of time to spend watching them,

760
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 4>so I don't know. I mean, I did see one

761
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.320
<v Speaker 4>documentary and I think it was called Under Our Skin

762
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:34.719
<v Speaker 4>or Under Your Skin, and it was very emotionally provoking.

763
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.280
<v Speaker 4>I think that it really was moving, really pointed to

764
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 4>the problem of people who are sick with lime disease.

765
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>The trailer of this is pretty chilling.

766
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.719
<v Speaker 4>We have, I think, horrible epidemic.

767
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:50.760
<v Speaker 2>And again NITA studies how to prevent the tick born diseases,

768
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:51.559
<v Speaker 2>not how to treat them.

769
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.519
<v Speaker 4>But I also think that there's been a lot of

770
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:56.079
<v Speaker 4>scientists who have been studying this topic for a long time,

771
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 4>and so sometimes those scientists have become, you know, enemies

772
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.320
<v Speaker 4>of the public, and I just I want everyone to

773
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 4>get along. I try not to watch that stuff because

774
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 4>I want I know that me personally, like, this is

775
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.280
<v Speaker 4>my life and my career, and I really feel strongly

776
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 4>about wanting to do a good job and researching my

777
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:14.519
<v Speaker 4>field of study.

778
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, lyme disease is a very charged topic, so charged

779
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 2>in fact that.

780
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.800
<v Speaker 4>But we made some videos recently, so maybe I can

781
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.960
<v Speaker 4>tell you about those if you have. We said there's

782
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:31.760
<v Speaker 4>a lot of I wouldn't say controversy, I'd say questions

783
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 4>and confusion about how people can use pesticides in their

784
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 4>backyards to reduce the tech populations in their backyards. We

785
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 4>get a lot of questions about that. And so recently

786
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.119
<v Speaker 4>the Environmental Protection Agency awarded US a grant to try

787
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 4>and tackle the science communication issue regarding you safe but

788
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.960
<v Speaker 4>also judicious and effective pest societies for controlling techs and

789
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 4>because unfortunately there's a lot of stuff out there on

790
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 4>the market and there's all sorts of rules and regulations

791
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Speaker 4>about how things can or don't have to be labeled

792
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.760
<v Speaker 4>and what you can say about how effective they are,

793
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.239
<v Speaker 4>and so it leads to a lot of confusion, and

794
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.639
<v Speaker 4>we think, you know, people either over apply stuff or

795
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.320
<v Speaker 4>they apply stuff that doesn't work, but they feel like

796
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.920
<v Speaker 4>they're safe. And so we made these, you know, story

797
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.199
<v Speaker 4>based videos.

798
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Nita says that she's trying to communicate this science in

799
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.039
<v Speaker 2>a way that's conversational, kind of like two neighbors just

800
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:30.159
<v Speaker 2>yacking about precautions and sharing good advice about the black

801
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>legged tick, which is a super hearty mothersucker. Anyway, go

802
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>to spraysafeplaysafe dot org against spray safe playsafe dot org

803
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:43.599
<v Speaker 2>and you will find Nita's videos and a wealth of

804
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:47.119
<v Speaker 2>information on how to deal with these little backyard pests.

805
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.159
<v Speaker 2>There's also different types of control methods discussed, everything from

806
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:56.559
<v Speaker 2>essential oils to fungus based ones to synthetic chrysanthemum juice

807
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>which is not the scientific term for it, but for me,

808
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>roids is hard to say and I already watched achar acroology. Yes,

809
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 2>spray safe, play safe has you so covered in safe

810
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and effective pesticides.

811
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 4>And so We just want to make sure that if people,

812
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.519
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's the decision to use a pesticide is

813
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 4>totally a personal one and you know, whether you want

814
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 4>to use it or not is up to you. But

815
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:21.440
<v Speaker 4>if you're going to use it, we want you to

816
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 4>be armed with all the information to make informed choices.

817
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:27.760
<v Speaker 3>So it's not just like throw a grenade in the backyard.

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00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.800
<v Speaker 4>No, but you know, I've been places where people have

819
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 4>said they're going to like pave over the whole backyard,

820
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 4>which is really sad to me. Or they say, you know,

821
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:40.960
<v Speaker 4>my rule to the children is don't touch anything green outside, right,

822
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.519
<v Speaker 4>I know, And I'm like, is that what it's coming to?

823
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:45.760
<v Speaker 4>I think that, you know, we really want people to

824
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.599
<v Speaker 4>be aware but not afraid, because I think just you know,

825
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 4>arming yourself with knowledge is really important in terms of

826
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:54.239
<v Speaker 4>being able to keep yourself safe.

827
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, what about these pick populations seeming to go up

828
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>or lime disease spreading? I know, I've looked at maps

829
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 2>from the CDC that have shown where lime disease essentially

830
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>was first kind of identified, which you know, old lime Connecticut,

831
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.440
<v Speaker 2>and then having it seeing it kind of like bleed out.

832
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.440
<v Speaker 2>So to see these maps go to the CDC website

833
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.440
<v Speaker 2>and you can type in historical data. I'll also link

834
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 2>this in the show notes and on my website, so

835
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 2>clicking year by year, it's kind of like seeing blue

836
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:27.639
<v Speaker 2>dots hemorrhaging like ink. And in twenty seventeen, the only

837
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:31.039
<v Speaker 2>states which did not have reported cases on lime disease

838
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:35.960
<v Speaker 2>were Oklahoma and Hawaii. And I asked Nita about where

839
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.639
<v Speaker 2>are these black legged ticks hanging out? Are they moving

840
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.559
<v Speaker 2>out of the Northeast, Are they like aging hipsters going

841
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 2>to the suburbs. I understand that a lot of folk sinkets,

842
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.760
<v Speaker 2>maybe just in the Northeast, but it's been identified in

843
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.800
<v Speaker 2>ticks in all the continental US, right.

844
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so the black legged ticks species is you know,

845
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:58.079
<v Speaker 4>fairly spread in many places of the US. Besides the

846
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:01.039
<v Speaker 4>Northeast and the upper Midwest. We have this same species,

847
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, down all the way in Florida and Texas

848
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:06.880
<v Speaker 4>as well, and in the states in between. The ecology

849
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.599
<v Speaker 4>of the tick is a little bit different, and so

850
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:11.880
<v Speaker 4>even though we do see the tick, we see less disease.

851
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 4>And I think up here in the Northeast, in this

852
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.760
<v Speaker 4>part of the country, we have sort of this perfect

853
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:19.599
<v Speaker 4>storm of transmission, and it has to do with how

854
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.440
<v Speaker 4>the ticks behave and how the host behave. We have

855
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:26.679
<v Speaker 4>this issue of climate change as well, which really I

856
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:31.440
<v Speaker 4>think is going to make the tick situation a lot trickier.

857
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 4>And really it is changing even more than you've seen

858
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 4>it in those maps, because the tich range has been spreading,

859
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, northward and westward, and so we commonly now

860
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.679
<v Speaker 4>see black legged ticks up in Canada, and so cases

861
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.679
<v Speaker 4>of lime disease are more frequently reported in Canada. Now.

862
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.800
<v Speaker 2>One thing I don't recommend looking at unless you like

863
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 2>to be very grossed out, appalled and sad for a

864
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.800
<v Speaker 2>moose is a photo of mooses covered in ticks to

865
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:02.159
<v Speaker 2>the point where they look like they're doused in pebbled

866
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:06.400
<v Speaker 2>concrete or like the underside of a boat that's been barnacled.

867
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I want to help the moose so badly, even though

868
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 2>given that I am untrained and helping moose with ticks,

869
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.079
<v Speaker 2>it would probably like to kick me in the face.

870
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Nita says that we have other tick species that are

871
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.800
<v Speaker 2>also encroaching tick, for example, the lone star tick, which

872
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 2>sounds like the town asshole walking through saloon doors to

873
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 2>suck your blood and leave you with an infectious souvenir.

874
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 2>So their range is in the East, Southeast, and Midwest

875
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>United States. A NITA says, in recent years they've been

876
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 2>detecting them more and more, which means they're coming for

877
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:44.159
<v Speaker 2>us pointing mouth suckers drawn.

878
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 4>And this tick is really important because you know, it

879
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:52.079
<v Speaker 4>also can carry different disease causing agents, different than lime disease.

880
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.840
<v Speaker 4>And also it's been implicated in causing a severe red

881
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 4>meat allergy and we're talking like yanophylactic red meat allergy.

882
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 4>And the thing about that loan Star tick is like

883
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:07.639
<v Speaker 4>it is a seriously aggressive humanviter. And so it's different

884
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:09.320
<v Speaker 4>than these dear ticks who just kind of hang out

885
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.760
<v Speaker 4>and wait for you to walk by and they'll grab hold.

886
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 4>The loan Star tick will detect you from far away

887
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.400
<v Speaker 4>and we'll come after you. Yeah, And so I think

888
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 4>that you know, talk about you know, you think mosquitos

889
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 4>are a nuisance. I think you know, nothing would ruin

890
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:23.719
<v Speaker 4>a technical and a bunch of loan Star ticks coming

891
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:28.599
<v Speaker 4>along and you know, wanting to grab hold and just do.

892
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Not under any circumstances. Imagine a wave of lone star

893
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:37.400
<v Speaker 2>tics cresting and crashing into your wine and cheese basket,

894
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 2>aimed at your warm crevices.

895
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Don't imagine it. Don't imagine it, don't do it.

896
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:45.400
<v Speaker 4>In addition, you may have heard that there was a

897
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.159
<v Speaker 4>new tick in town, an invasive tick species. I don't

898
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.719
<v Speaker 4>know if you've heard this, but there's so yes. So

899
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 4>a couple of years ago, a sheep farmer in New

900
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.239
<v Speaker 4>Jersey was covered in these tiny little ticks and she

901
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.440
<v Speaker 4>went to the health department and they were like, take

902
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:04.760
<v Speaker 4>off your pants because they're everywhere, and they put her

903
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.559
<v Speaker 4>pants on the freezer. And it turns out this tick

904
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.840
<v Speaker 4>is a tick that had previously not been established in

905
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.519
<v Speaker 4>the United States, and it's known as the Asian longhorn tick.

906
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.320
<v Speaker 2>So, according to the CDC, as of May twenty eighth,

907
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:23.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, which was like one second ago, longhorned ticks

908
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:28.280
<v Speaker 2>have been found in Arkansas, Connecticut, Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina,

909
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:33.079
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia,

910
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:36.119
<v Speaker 2>and researchers are looking to see where else it's gone.

911
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 2>So Google image search them and be aware. They're kind

912
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:42.480
<v Speaker 2>of like a reddish brown color with what appears like

913
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:44.599
<v Speaker 2>long legs and they can be up to the size

914
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of a pee fully engorged. Why are we freaking out

915
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 2>about them?

916
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.199
<v Speaker 4>And so this tick in Asia is a serious vector

917
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 4>of human disease. It carries a virus. It can also

918
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:58.880
<v Speaker 4>cause a rock like a rocky mountain sort of spotted

919
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:04.480
<v Speaker 4>fever type illness. And then it's a serious test of livestock.

920
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:09.719
<v Speaker 4>And so it's it's now established itself here in New

921
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:15.400
<v Speaker 4>Jersey and Staten Island and parts of Westchester County, New York.

922
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:20.199
<v Speaker 4>And this tick is really scary because it can reproduce

923
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.519
<v Speaker 4>bi parthenogenesis. So what that means is the female she

924
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 4>can she doesn't need a male mate to reproduce. So

925
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:34.440
<v Speaker 4>one female can create, you know, a thousand or more babies,

926
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.719
<v Speaker 4>just essentially cloning herself. And so we really are watching

927
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.440
<v Speaker 4>watching this tick and what it's going to do, and

928
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.360
<v Speaker 4>we're you know, right in sort of the center of

929
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 4>where it has now become established. So we're really in

930
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:49.639
<v Speaker 4>a place of sort of I think in this region

931
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:53.679
<v Speaker 4>around New York City and heading northward, this sort of

932
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.639
<v Speaker 4>tick apocalypse, I guess you could say, where a lot

933
00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:58.480
<v Speaker 4>is going on. And so I think we have a lot,

934
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:00.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, to learn, and then we're going to be

935
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:02.880
<v Speaker 4>seeing a lot of changes in terms of what the

936
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:04.960
<v Speaker 4>ticks are doing in the next decade.

937
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.840
<v Speaker 3>This is terrifying. Also, one question why why why why.

938
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Is it that there are more ticks, or that there

939
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.239
<v Speaker 2>are more deer, or that there are more like whitefooted mice,

940
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:21.559
<v Speaker 2>that there's more development so there's less land, so they're

941
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:22.480
<v Speaker 2>more concentrated.

942
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:26.159
<v Speaker 3>Like why is it such a boom town for ticks?

943
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:28.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, so part of it is like if you

944
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.679
<v Speaker 4>think about what the landscape looks like. So the ticks

945
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 4>have been around a long time, but if you think

946
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:36.320
<v Speaker 4>about what this part of the country looked like, you know,

947
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.960
<v Speaker 4>in the year nineteen hundred, it was primarily an agricultural place. Right,

948
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:41.840
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of farmland and pasture land in the

949
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 4>deforestation and you know, to make these grazing areas and

950
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 4>so oh, the white tailed deer we're not so you know, abundant.

951
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.239
<v Speaker 4>As we've sort of you know, reforested this part of

952
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:58.920
<v Speaker 4>the country, we've really led to an abundance of white

953
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.440
<v Speaker 4>tailed deer. And so we know that there's a link

954
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 4>between the abundance of ticks and the abundance of deer,

955
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.519
<v Speaker 4>because deer are the primary reproductive host for the ticks.

956
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.880
<v Speaker 4>So the more deer, there's more opportunity for the adult

957
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 4>ticks to reproduce. And so the other thing that's happened

958
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.880
<v Speaker 4>is that we really have started to move into these

959
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 4>forested landscapes so and in doing so, we fragmented those landscapes,

960
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.679
<v Speaker 4>and so we've sort of made all these little cuts

961
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 4>into the forest. So we're living sort of right in

962
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:29.079
<v Speaker 4>the habitat where the ticks live and the deer live.

963
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.880
<v Speaker 4>And on top of that, by fragmenting the forest, we

964
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:35.119
<v Speaker 4>create a lot of edge habitat, and edge habitats are

965
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:38.360
<v Speaker 4>really really great for you know, deer love them, mice

966
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 4>love them. We find a lot of ticks right in

967
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 4>the edge. And so the riskiest place really for encountering

968
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.079
<v Speaker 4>a tick in this part of the country is really

969
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:48.400
<v Speaker 4>in one's own backyard, particularly in that region the echo

970
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 4>tone we call it, you know, and right where that

971
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.800
<v Speaker 4>place where the lawn is meeting woods is really your

972
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.480
<v Speaker 4>riskiest spot. But yeah, it's kind of all of the above.

973
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 4>You know, there's a lot of deer, there's a lot

974
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.559
<v Speaker 4>of ticks, and there's a lot of people living close

975
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:01.280
<v Speaker 4>to them.

976
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:06.440
<v Speaker 2>How do you feel about the conspiracy theories about lime

977
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 2>disease having started in Plum Island as biowarfare and then

978
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 2>spreading from there.

979
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.360
<v Speaker 3>Uh, no comment.

980
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:21.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's likely. You know, it's so complicated.

981
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.159
<v Speaker 4>Like if I were going to make a I'm not.

982
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:25.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to. But if I were to think

983
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 4>about what would make a good bio terrorist agent or

984
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.480
<v Speaker 4>bio warfare agent, I don't think I would want to

985
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 4>choose a tick that needs all these things right, It

986
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.039
<v Speaker 4>needs to has a two year life cycle, it only

987
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 4>feeds three times in its life, and you know it

988
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:47.119
<v Speaker 4>needs all these different hosts. It just seems too unlikely

989
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:48.440
<v Speaker 4>to me personally.

990
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 3>That was the dumbest question ever.

991
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.039
<v Speaker 2>But I just wanted to know, like, oh no, we've

992
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 2>figured out that that's completely legit.

993
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.199
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, yeah no, And as far as I know,

994
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:00.360
<v Speaker 4>it's not legit, and I you know, I just seems unlikely.

995
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:03.199
<v Speaker 4>I when you think about some of the biowarfare agents,

996
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 4>like tularimias. One tularimia can be transmitted you know, by

997
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:11.239
<v Speaker 4>a tick, but it also has can be transmitted in

998
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.199
<v Speaker 4>other ways. And so I think, like, you know, having

999
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.599
<v Speaker 4>only one way to transmit it, or something that doesn't

1000
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:18.800
<v Speaker 4>persist in the environment very long without a lot of

1001
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:21.559
<v Speaker 4>other factors, and and something that you know people are

1002
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.440
<v Speaker 4>always going to encounter. It just doesn't seem like the

1003
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:29.559
<v Speaker 4>you know way, especially because I mean with all different

1004
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:35.039
<v Speaker 4>diseases out there, you know, if you want a biowarfare agent,

1005
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 4>would want to cause a lot of death, I would think, right, So,

1006
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.480
<v Speaker 4>so I think lime can be very serious and even

1007
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 4>fatal in some cases, but it's not causing a high

1008
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:46.000
<v Speaker 4>degree of mortality.

1009
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 2>That's funny that to think that someone would come up

1010
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.280
<v Speaker 2>with a by a warfare scheme and their boss would be.

1011
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:56.360
<v Speaker 3>Like, sorry, just not fatal enough. Yeah, keep working on this.

1012
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:58.119
<v Speaker 4>Well really, I mean yeah, I mean I think to

1013
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.599
<v Speaker 4>be a good bioweapon you really have to think about

1014
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.320
<v Speaker 4>those things. And I don't want to think about those things.

1015
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:07.079
<v Speaker 4>But when I think about lime disease being bio terrorist agent,

1016
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 4>I think it just seems not terribly plausible to me personally.

1017
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.559
<v Speaker 3>That makes me feel a little better. Yeah, we're a

1018
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:16.000
<v Speaker 3>lot under a.

1019
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:17.519
<v Speaker 4>Touch, Yeah, but you know what I mean, that thing

1020
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:20.599
<v Speaker 4>about underreporting, I mean, for me, I think, like we know,

1021
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.599
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of cases of lime disease, and we

1022
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.360
<v Speaker 4>know there's a lot of ticks out there, and so

1023
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 4>I just sort of have this attitude that is, you

1024
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 4>know what, if you live in a place where there

1025
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:32.000
<v Speaker 4>are tics and you go outside, or you have a

1026
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 4>pet that goes outside, you're probably at risk and you

1027
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 4>should take preventive action and percussion and be aware. No

1028
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.239
<v Speaker 4>matter what, and whether they're counting the case or not,

1029
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 4>you can still get sick and your doctor can still

1030
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 4>treat you. And so I think counting cases and things

1031
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.920
<v Speaker 4>may be important for some people in terms of trying

1032
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 4>to show the scope of the problem, but in terms

1033
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:55.840
<v Speaker 4>of keeping yourself safe from being sick. You know, we

1034
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:57.840
<v Speaker 4>know people get sick, and we know there's a lot

1035
00:54:57.880 --> 00:54:58.920
<v Speaker 4>of ticks and ticks are bad.

1036
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:00.679
<v Speaker 3>What do you do if you have a pet that's

1037
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 3>out romping?

1038
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I mean I have two Australian shepherds. They're

1039
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:08.280
<v Speaker 4>awesome and they are my best field assistants. They come

1040
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:10.519
<v Speaker 4>out with me, and so we do know there are

1041
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.679
<v Speaker 4>some studies that, you know, really kind of point to

1042
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:17.599
<v Speaker 4>pets that go outdoors as potentially being an additional risk

1043
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:19.760
<v Speaker 4>factor for getting a bite by a tick. And so

1044
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.440
<v Speaker 4>treating your pets with a tick prevented product is a

1045
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.920
<v Speaker 4>good idea. And you know, treating them all year long,

1046
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:29.719
<v Speaker 4>not just during spring and summer months, because you know,

1047
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:33.960
<v Speaker 4>we'll find ticks in December if the temperatures are above

1048
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:37.360
<v Speaker 4>forty degrees here, and so I, you know, use a

1049
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.400
<v Speaker 4>collar on my dogs. They're you know, it's good for

1050
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.920
<v Speaker 4>eight months. It kills and repels. And there's oral preventatives

1051
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.639
<v Speaker 4>where the dog you know gets a pill or the

1052
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:51.639
<v Speaker 4>cat you know, gets a pill in the every month

1053
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:55.000
<v Speaker 4>and then if a tick starts to bite, it will

1054
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:59.039
<v Speaker 4>it will die before it can feed to completion, and

1055
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:02.440
<v Speaker 4>so they can work that way. There's these topical spot

1056
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:05.400
<v Speaker 4>treatments that can work in different ways, either repelling or

1057
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.239
<v Speaker 4>killing on contact or also treating such that the tick

1058
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:11.800
<v Speaker 4>attaches and then dies while it's feeding. And which is better.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I can't say, uh, but I think it's

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00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.840
<v Speaker 4>very important to treat your animals with a tick product

1061
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:20.639
<v Speaker 4>all year long.

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00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Better than not having an animal, I guess, or you

1063
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:25.639
<v Speaker 2>could just get goldfish.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I guess. So, yeah, I've go knowing about it,

1065
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:29.400
<v Speaker 4>and I think, you know, when I think about the

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00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.159
<v Speaker 4>behavior of dogs and cats, and things. You know, depending

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00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 4>on if you know what you're how you behave with

1068
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.840
<v Speaker 4>your dog, if you take it on a leash, you

1069
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 4>may be able to avoid some of that most ticky habitat.

1070
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:41.639
<v Speaker 4>But you know, if you have cats that go outside,

1071
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.679
<v Speaker 4>which I've just learned is not its apparently not cool

1072
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.280
<v Speaker 4>to do. I thought everyone's cats just went outside, But

1073
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 4>that's the thing now, and I feel really dumb because

1074
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:50.960
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know. But I'm learning now.

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00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, for more on this, listen to the Felinology episode

1076
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.159
<v Speaker 2>with doctor Michael Delgado. So much I did not know

1077
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:00.400
<v Speaker 2>about cats so much. None of us knew about cats.

1078
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.800
<v Speaker 4>But people do still have cats that go outside. And

1079
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:06.360
<v Speaker 4>so those cats, you know, will go all over, right,

1080
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:08.480
<v Speaker 4>they'll go in the woods and I'll be in the

1081
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.159
<v Speaker 4>leafy areas where the ticks are hunkered down when they're

1082
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:14.119
<v Speaker 4>not looking for a host, and so they can Yeah,

1083
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.920
<v Speaker 4>so they can be exposed in that way. And so

1084
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:19.159
<v Speaker 4>even if you don't go outside, if your cat does

1085
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:21.679
<v Speaker 4>and then comes back inside and you're petting it, you know,

1086
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 4>there is a risk for sure.

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00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't know what cats are doing out there.

1088
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:28.440
<v Speaker 2>They're out honky tonking, They're like later days.

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00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Man, oh man, But yeah.

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00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Ornithologists are like, excuse me, yeah, cat's back indoors please,

1091
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 2>So I guess for if for no other reason, then

1092
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 2>so that you don't have to check your butt crack

1093
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>for ticks more often, keep your cats inside?

1094
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:44.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, totally, And there's I guess there's a lot of

1095
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:46.920
<v Speaker 4>reasons now for keeping your for keeping your cats inside.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt really dumb because I didn't know. No. Maybe

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00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:51.159
<v Speaker 4>it's because I'm a dog person and I'm not a

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00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.119
<v Speaker 4>cat person, but I, you know, shout out, I love

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00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 4>cat people.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm just learning and I but I do know

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00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.320
<v Speaker 4>there's a yes for sure these you know, cats can

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00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:03.199
<v Speaker 4>pose a risk to to birds, and there's an issue

1104
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:08.760
<v Speaker 4>with feral cats and potential rabi's transmission and certain parts

1105
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.360
<v Speaker 4>of the country. So yes, PSA, keep your cats and doors.

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00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I talk to a feelinologist who's like, put it on

1107
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 2>a leash and take it to the park for an hour.

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00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:17.760
<v Speaker 3>That's just fine.

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00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:23.079
<v Speaker 2>But I have questions from listeners who are super excited

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<v Speaker 2>that you're on, And can I ask you some rapid

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<v Speaker 2>fire questions? Okay, sure, okay, And before we get to

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<v Speaker 2>the lightning round with your questions. A few words about

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<v Speaker 2>all things tick related and it's housed at the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Rhode Island where she worked on her PhD. So

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<v Speaker 2>they do great stuff. They have so many pictures of

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<v Speaker 3>Back to your questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Allison Turry wants to know what is the

1132
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:44.440
<v Speaker 2>proper method to remove ticks.

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<v Speaker 3>If you get me on, you.

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00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.280
<v Speaker 4>Great so the proper method would be get the pointiest

1135
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.599
<v Speaker 4>pair of tweezers that you can find, grab the tick

1136
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.639
<v Speaker 4>as close to the skin as you can, and pull

1137
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:59.840
<v Speaker 4>it perpendicular to the skin and pull up and you know, deliver.

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01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.880
<v Speaker 4>And so we really don't recommend slathering it with vasoline

1139
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.840
<v Speaker 4>or setting it on fire to get some hairspray, make

1140
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.559
<v Speaker 4>some flamethrowers, or some people put a meat lit match,

1141
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:13.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, which isn't a great idea, So we don't.

1142
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.400
<v Speaker 4>We want the tick to come out as soon as possible.

1143
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.639
<v Speaker 4>The longer it's attached, the more likely it is to

1144
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:21.880
<v Speaker 4>transmit things that it's carrying. And we don't really know

1145
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.719
<v Speaker 4>what happens if you like, soak a cotton ball and

1146
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 4>peppermint oil and put it on the tick, does it

1147
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 4>make the tick really pissed off? And then does the

1148
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:31.760
<v Speaker 4>tick start salivating more and then more likely to transmit

1149
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.039
<v Speaker 4>something we don't know? And so you know, we recommend

1150
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:37.639
<v Speaker 4>that you just a pointy pair of tweezers pull it

1151
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:39.760
<v Speaker 4>straight out. And the thing is, with the pointy tweezers

1152
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:41.519
<v Speaker 4>you can get. The closer you can get, the better

1153
01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:43.519
<v Speaker 4>because you'll hear people say, oh, I left the head

1154
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.079
<v Speaker 4>in which is actually impossible. But what you can leave

1155
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.360
<v Speaker 4>is the feeding tube. It's called a hypostome. It's like

1156
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:51.320
<v Speaker 4>a straw, but it's barbed like a fish hook, and

1157
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.360
<v Speaker 4>so it's hard to get out, and sometimes that breaks off,

1158
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:55.039
<v Speaker 4>and that's not the end of the world. To think

1159
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.239
<v Speaker 4>of it as like a splinter. Eventually it'll work its

1160
01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:57.639
<v Speaker 4>way out.

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01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Also, when a tick is hungry versus in gorge, they

1162
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:04.239
<v Speaker 2>look so much different, and I did not know that

1163
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:08.119
<v Speaker 2>until this episode. Full ticks can take on a grayish color.

1164
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:11.039
<v Speaker 2>They look like a whole different species. So if you

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01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:14.800
<v Speaker 2>go to tickencounter dot org, you can see different pictures

1166
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.559
<v Speaker 2>of different stages of feeding. Kind of looks like a

1167
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:21.320
<v Speaker 2>big gray brain that's about to burst, pretty gnarly. Ruby

1168
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Ostrich wants to know how close are we to a

1169
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:24.559
<v Speaker 2>human vaccine.

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01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:28.400
<v Speaker 4>I know that there is a lot of work in

1171
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:33.840
<v Speaker 4>the vaccine research field and I don't know the answer

1172
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.039
<v Speaker 4>to that, and I would like to think that we're

1173
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.639
<v Speaker 4>within this decade there will be something. And as you

1174
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.320
<v Speaker 4>may know, there was a vaccine on the market for

1175
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:42.159
<v Speaker 4>a short period.

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01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:43.639
<v Speaker 3>It was removed from the.

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01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:46.000
<v Speaker 4>Market, so we'll see it. I think that you know

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01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:48.760
<v Speaker 4>the vaccine for lime has a lot of potential. With

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<v Speaker 4>that said, if the same tick that carries lime can

1180
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:56.079
<v Speaker 4>transmit other, you know, pathogens to humans. Still, prevention measures

1181
01:01:56.159 --> 01:01:59.679
<v Speaker 4>beyond being vaccinated are still really important, like checking your

1182
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:01.199
<v Speaker 4>body wearing repellent.

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01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:02.639
<v Speaker 3>Let's see Raymond J.

1184
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<v Speaker 2>Deutsch wants to know what is it about the area

1185
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of Connecticut that lent itself to the onset of lime disease.

1186
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you think is the altitude or climate or soil composition.

1187
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, we have a lot of forest of habitat

1188
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:21.440
<v Speaker 4>with deciduous forest in particular, and so the ticks really

1189
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.039
<v Speaker 4>thrive in under the leaf litter, those dead leaves at

1190
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:27.079
<v Speaker 4>the base of the forest. And in these forested areas

1191
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:28.840
<v Speaker 4>we have lots of tick or excuse me, lots of

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<v Speaker 4>white tailed deer, which are the most important host for

1193
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:34.559
<v Speaker 4>the adult stage of deer ticks. And so we have

1194
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:38.000
<v Speaker 4>great habitat and the Crysta's forests are full of whitefooted

1195
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:41.159
<v Speaker 4>mice and other small mammals that can be great hosts

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<v Speaker 4>for our ticks. And I think the other piece of

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<v Speaker 4>it is that we live in the among these hosts

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<v Speaker 4>and this forest. And then the third thing, and particularly

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<v Speaker 4>here in Connecticut is that we have in some places

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<v Speaker 4>an abundance of an invasive shrub plant that's known as

1201
01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:01.960
<v Speaker 4>Japanese barberry. And unfortunately, these barbary is often sold as

1202
01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:05.280
<v Speaker 4>an ornamental plant by nurseries and garden centers, and so

1203
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:08.119
<v Speaker 4>you can buy it and plant it, and unfortunately it

1204
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 4>can become very widespread and is really damaging to the

1205
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:15.679
<v Speaker 4>forest ecology. And the thing about Japanese barbary is now

1206
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:18.639
<v Speaker 4>we know that places that have more barbary actually tend

1207
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:21.599
<v Speaker 4>to have more ticks, and so it sort of adds

1208
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:25.559
<v Speaker 4>to this you know, already problematic environment. Now we have

1209
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:28.880
<v Speaker 4>to worry about, you know, barberry being something that's going

1210
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:32.639
<v Speaker 4>to to help foster this survival and of ticks.

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01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:36.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I get it. Barbary is pink, it's cute,

1212
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:41.000
<v Speaker 2>it's evergreen. But barbary GTFO I hate you now, O

1213
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:42.599
<v Speaker 2>so down with the barbary?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, definitely if you have barbary should consider removing it

1215
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:49.199
<v Speaker 4>from your yard. Please don't ever buy barbary at your

1216
01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:52.760
<v Speaker 4>garden center. Find something else to plant. The other thing

1217
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:55.719
<v Speaker 4>in backyards that people have besides just like a wooded edge,

1218
01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:59.960
<v Speaker 4>is in this region, people have this groundcover vegetation like

1219
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.840
<v Speaker 4>pacissandra or myrtle, and that you know, it's very low

1220
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:04.800
<v Speaker 4>to the ground, and then underneath it it's a very

1221
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.920
<v Speaker 4>moist environment. So this tick species, the black legged tick,

1222
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.519
<v Speaker 4>really needs a very high humidity, like eighty to ninety

1223
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.679
<v Speaker 4>five percent humidity to survive well, and so it spends

1224
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:18.079
<v Speaker 4>a lot of time down in that moist environment. So

1225
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:20.960
<v Speaker 4>people who have this pacassandra, it looks very nice, but

1226
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.039
<v Speaker 4>you know it's a great tick haven. And so that's

1227
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:27.760
<v Speaker 4>again something to consider in your own landscape, like should

1228
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.280
<v Speaker 4>I remove it or if you're going to treat with

1229
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:32.639
<v Speaker 4>a tick control product, you want to treat not just

1230
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:35.360
<v Speaker 4>the wooded edge, but also you know, groundcover, vegetation or

1231
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:36.760
<v Speaker 4>the ticks may also be abundant.

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<v Speaker 3>So pacissandra barbary canceled, cancel, yeah.

1233
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 4>Or cancel or treat or a treat your yard. But

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01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.679
<v Speaker 4>certainly a barbary is bad for so many reasons, not

1235
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:50.519
<v Speaker 4>just for ticks. It's just shouldn't be in our forests.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, that's good to know. I had no idea, yea.

1237
01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:57.719
<v Speaker 4>The truth is, you know, I think knowing just knowing

1238
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:01.920
<v Speaker 4>about whether or not you are in a risky environment

1239
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:04.000
<v Speaker 4>for getting a tick bite can go a long way,

1240
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:09.400
<v Speaker 4>and so you know, taking preventive action and knowing what

1241
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:11.880
<v Speaker 4>a tick looks like is huge. So a lot of

1242
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:16.039
<v Speaker 4>people to send us pictures of ticks or things they've found.

1243
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:18.280
<v Speaker 4>They send us stuff in the mail, and you know

1244
01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:20.880
<v Speaker 4>it's it's not a tick. And if you if you're

1245
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:24.199
<v Speaker 4>able to just know the key distinguishing features, can go

1246
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:26.920
<v Speaker 4>a long way towards keeping people safe. And so yeah,

1247
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:32.000
<v Speaker 4>I I do. I am full agreement. Lime disease is

1248
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:35.119
<v Speaker 4>a major problem. Tickboard illnesses are a major problem in

1249
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:37.679
<v Speaker 4>the US, and you know, we're really focused on trying

1250
01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:40.599
<v Speaker 4>to prevent it. But I think, you know, because we're

1251
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.400
<v Speaker 4>dealing with humans. You know, we're pretty good actually at

1252
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:46.480
<v Speaker 4>controlling ticks, and we're we're not very good at controlling humans.

1253
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:50.400
<v Speaker 4>And so people, we find that people don't always get

1254
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:53.480
<v Speaker 4>good at prevention until they've been sick themselves or someone

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01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:55.280
<v Speaker 4>in their family has been sick. And so what we

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01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:57.360
<v Speaker 4>need is people to be thinking about it before they're

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01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:00.960
<v Speaker 4>sick and taking action before they get a tick bite,

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01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:03.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, not waiting until that happens. And it's scarce,

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01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:06.519
<v Speaker 4>you know, Jesus out of everyone. And then and then

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01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:08.239
<v Speaker 4>they go running around trying to figure out what to do.

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01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:10.159
<v Speaker 4>And the other issue we have is that, you know,

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01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:12.480
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of misinformation out there in terms of

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01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, even prevention, which you think is a benign topic.

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01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:19.400
<v Speaker 4>Just this morning, on our you know, community social media pages,

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01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:23.159
<v Speaker 4>someone asked for advice about preventing backyard tics and then

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01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:27.519
<v Speaker 4>the responses you know, really varied from stuff that's science

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01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.719
<v Speaker 4>based to you know, totally erroneous and not science based.

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01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:35.480
<v Speaker 4>And so the age of information has kind of put

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01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:37.559
<v Speaker 4>us in a place where you know, people have to

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01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:41.159
<v Speaker 4>think critically about is this good information? And should I

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01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:44.480
<v Speaker 4>use it? And so that's that's something we're battling now,

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01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 4>is trying to understand human behavior and how we can

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01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, get people to take action and feel you know,

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01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:53.480
<v Speaker 4>empowered to take action in a way that is going

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01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:54.320
<v Speaker 4>to be effective.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that people are a little bit just

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01:06:57.559 --> 01:06:59.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of stunned and don't know what to do. So

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01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:01.639
<v Speaker 2>they're just afraid of getting it without really knowing how

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01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.480
<v Speaker 2>to prevent it because they're so little and sneaky that

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01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:06.679
<v Speaker 2>it just seems like getting bitten by a ghost, Like what.

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01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Do you getting too?

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01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so it's good to know that there are

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01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:11.519
<v Speaker 2>measures that you can take to prevent that.

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01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and just understanding that like a tick, it takes

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01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.320
<v Speaker 4>some time before it actually can can suck your blood.

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01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:21.519
<v Speaker 4>It's a whole process. They have to salivate and they

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01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:23.159
<v Speaker 4>have to fight your immune system and then they in

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01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:27.480
<v Speaker 4>space they salivate this cement so they can really stick

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01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:30.119
<v Speaker 4>on you and never come out, you know, and not never,

1290
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.320
<v Speaker 4>but not while they're feeding, and so it but and

1291
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:33.960
<v Speaker 4>then they sell it and then you know, the blood

1292
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:36.920
<v Speaker 4>is accumulated ticks and they feed really slowly at first,

1293
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:41.599
<v Speaker 4>and so like really people like they have the tick,

1294
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:43.920
<v Speaker 4>it's been on them for you know, an hour, they

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01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:45.880
<v Speaker 4>take it off, they have a red mark, and all

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01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:49.159
<v Speaker 4>of a sudden they're like, I need three weeks of doxycycling, right,

1297
01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:52.559
<v Speaker 4>And and that's not necessarily always the case. Sometimes the

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01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:55.079
<v Speaker 4>red mark is just you're having a reaction to a

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01:07:55.119 --> 01:08:00.559
<v Speaker 4>tick bite or you know, it's it's it's knowing these

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01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:04.119
<v Speaker 4>small bits of information about how these ticks behave or

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01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:06.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, what a tick looks like that can really

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01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:08.559
<v Speaker 4>help you know if you need to run and get

1303
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.840
<v Speaker 4>three weeks of doxycycling, which you know, has its own issues.

1304
01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:15.440
<v Speaker 4>We worry about antibiotic resistance and all of that. So

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01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:18.600
<v Speaker 4>so I think, you know, it's it's getting to know

1306
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:21.840
<v Speaker 4>the information. But that's true for all diseases, right, Like

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01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:25.439
<v Speaker 4>you're supposed to be good at preventing all you know,

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01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.119
<v Speaker 4>twos decay and so you brush every day. But that's

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01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:30.680
<v Speaker 4>a habit, right, So are you checking for ticks every day?

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01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.319
<v Speaker 2>What's our new motto? Be your crevice's best friend?

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01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:35.359
<v Speaker 3>Maybe not?

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01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:38.520
<v Speaker 4>So how can we turn it into a habit? If

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01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:40.399
<v Speaker 4>you can help me figure that out, I'd love.

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01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.159
<v Speaker 2>That significant others can always be a tick check buddy,

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01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure totally.

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01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:46.399
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, and if we know that ticchecking is protective,

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01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:48.520
<v Speaker 4>and we know that showering is protective, maybe you could

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01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.079
<v Speaker 4>make that into like a you know, activity together.

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01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like ticks, but make it sexy.

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01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:59.760
<v Speaker 4>Really? Yeah, I mean why not if that's what it takes. Yeah,

1321
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:03.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean I'm trying to imagine what that you know

1322
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:06.800
<v Speaker 4>infographic that we promote next is gonna be. But why not?

1323
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:09.199
<v Speaker 4>I mean I think at this point you have to

1324
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:11.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, if it's gonna grab your attention and make

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01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:14.680
<v Speaker 4>you take action, then we'll do it, right.

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01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.439
<v Speaker 3>Can I ask you a couple more listener questions?

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01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:17.880
<v Speaker 4>Sure?

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01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Is that cool?

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01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Don Ewald wants to know there have been some studies

1330
01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:24.720
<v Speaker 2>about mosquitoes and their possible preferences for certain blood types.

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01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Are there any studies on blood types that ticks prefer?

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01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:31.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh, so it's interesting. There are no studies that I'm

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01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.439
<v Speaker 4>aware of that show that ticks have a host preference.

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01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.880
<v Speaker 4>We do know with mosquitos that they do. They will

1335
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:42.319
<v Speaker 4>seek tend to seek women over men and brunettes over blondes.

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01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:46.399
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so side note, Apparently there's something about the contrast

1337
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:50.680
<v Speaker 2>that the mosquitoes just really dig. So likewise, if you're

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01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:54.000
<v Speaker 2>a brunette on a light sandy beach, just watch out

1339
01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and don't swat them mosquitos. When you swat them, they're like, oh,

1340
01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:58.680
<v Speaker 2>there you are, and then they just keep writing you.

1341
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Just FYI. Also, as long as we're going down several

1342
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:06.199
<v Speaker 2>holes on this, blondes report feeling more emboldened socially, but

1343
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:10.239
<v Speaker 2>brunette's out earned blondes. For more on why we judge

1344
01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:12.720
<v Speaker 2>each other for stupid stuff that doesn't matter, see the

1345
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:17.000
<v Speaker 2>two part Colology episode about beauty standards. Also, should I

1346
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:20.760
<v Speaker 2>mention that one study said that redheads have the spiciest

1347
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:23.520
<v Speaker 2>romantic lives. No, I don't want to mention that that's gross. Oops,

1348
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:26.399
<v Speaker 2>I did, Okay. I don't know how ticks feel about

1349
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:26.680
<v Speaker 2>me though.

1350
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:30.720
<v Speaker 4>With ticks, we don't know, And I think there's some

1351
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.000
<v Speaker 4>question about that, because you know, you hear from people

1352
01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:35.399
<v Speaker 4>all the time. You know, my husband and I are

1353
01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 4>both always working in the yard, but he always gets

1354
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:40.079
<v Speaker 4>ticks and I never do, and he's more tick attractive.

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01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:42.920
<v Speaker 4>And in terms of whether or not any of that

1356
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.399
<v Speaker 4>is true, we don't know. What we do know about,

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01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:47.880
<v Speaker 4>particularly about the black legged tick, is that it will

1358
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:50.840
<v Speaker 4>feed on everything. It feeds on mammals, it feeds on birds,

1359
01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:53.920
<v Speaker 4>it feeds on reptiles, and it really is opportunistic. It

1360
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:57.399
<v Speaker 4>feeds on large mammals and small mammals. So I think

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01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:03.079
<v Speaker 4>that this particular tick species, Lime perpetrator, is pretty easy

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01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:05.640
<v Speaker 4>going when it comes to choosing a host. But whether

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01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:07.560
<v Speaker 4>or not it might choose you over me if we

1364
01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:12.159
<v Speaker 4>were standing right there presenting ourselves as hosts, I don't

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01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.000
<v Speaker 4>know the answer, and we do talk about it a lot,

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01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.119
<v Speaker 4>and I think it needs further study.

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01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Nita's body, though, lets her note when she's got a

1368
01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:21.680
<v Speaker 2>sucky blood barnacle. I think it's great that you have

1369
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:25.359
<v Speaker 2>essentially a very loud car alarm in your body. That's

1370
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:29.960
<v Speaker 2>like you got a tick you gotta take. Yeah, helpful

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01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:31.560
<v Speaker 2>that you have an immune response to it.

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01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Perhaps, Yeah.

1373
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:35.239
<v Speaker 4>And actually so some researchers are, you know, trying to

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01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:37.560
<v Speaker 4>capitalize on that, because there are people who are very

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01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:40.439
<v Speaker 4>reactive to ticks, and so can there be a vaccine

1376
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:42.560
<v Speaker 4>that is an anti tick vaccine? Right? And it will

1377
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.399
<v Speaker 4>make you itchy or reactive to a tick bite so

1378
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:47.880
<v Speaker 4>that you catch it before it has time to transmit anything.

1379
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:51.119
<v Speaker 4>So using those reactive properties that some people have to

1380
01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:52.560
<v Speaker 4>try and create a vaccine.

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01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:55.319
<v Speaker 2>His last listener question is Kelly Dames wants to know

1382
01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:57.640
<v Speaker 2>how does the town of Line feel about having a

1383
01:11:57.720 --> 01:11:59.800
<v Speaker 2>disease name you'd.

1384
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:02.720
<v Speaker 4>Have to the town of Lime residents. I really don't know.

1385
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they're, yeah, they're sort of famous for this,

1386
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:07.680
<v Speaker 4>and I don't know. I guess it's good to be

1387
01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.119
<v Speaker 4>on the mat for some reason. And actually, I mean

1388
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:14.520
<v Speaker 4>there was a woman who really was the start of

1389
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:17.239
<v Speaker 4>all of this becoming known, and her name was Polly Murray,

1390
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:20.159
<v Speaker 4>and she was a very astute mother who was noticing

1391
01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:22.720
<v Speaker 4>that there were a lot of kids getting arthritis around

1392
01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:25.239
<v Speaker 4>the area. And so if it weren't for her real

1393
01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:27.560
<v Speaker 4>great powers of observation, you know, it might have taken

1394
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:29.359
<v Speaker 4>a lot longer to come up with that. So I

1395
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:32.319
<v Speaker 4>think the town of Limes should be very proud. And

1396
01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:35.079
<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, why not be proud of that

1397
01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:39.119
<v Speaker 4>and having you know, someone who is astute enough to say, Okay,

1398
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:40.319
<v Speaker 4>something's going on here.

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01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:43.239
<v Speaker 3>There was some some kids movie I was watching with

1401
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:43.640
<v Speaker 3>my kids.

1402
01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:46.159
<v Speaker 4>I think it was like Madagascar or something like that,

1403
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:49.560
<v Speaker 4>and they were, you know, Chris Rock his character was like.

1404
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:53.119
<v Speaker 3>Come on, what would Connecticut have to offer us lime disease?

1405
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Melman, I'm my god for Connecticut. That's where

1406
01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:58.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, that's what we get as being.

1407
01:12:58.720 --> 01:12:59.800
<v Speaker 4>Even know what we're known for.

1408
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:02.399
<v Speaker 3>Now, what is something about your job? Last two questions?

1409
01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:06.159
<v Speaker 2>I always ask that you really hate what sucks about

1410
01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:07.640
<v Speaker 2>ticks or your job?

1411
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:11.279
<v Speaker 4>What sucks about ticks? You were making a pun that

1412
01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:11.680
<v Speaker 4>was great?

1413
01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:16.439
<v Speaker 2>No, I swear, I wasn't I swear, but I fully

1414
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.600
<v Speaker 2>understand that I have no credibility anymore when it comes

1415
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:24.600
<v Speaker 2>to denying dad jokes. Okay, but yes, what slices her

1416
01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:27.359
<v Speaker 2>open and takes a blood meal out of her day.

1417
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:28.399
<v Speaker 3>What sucks.

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01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.279
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I love my job. I feel so lucky

1419
01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:33.720
<v Speaker 4>that I can, you know, study an organism that I

1420
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:37.000
<v Speaker 4>absolutely think is you know, very important and also really

1421
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:41.720
<v Speaker 4>very cool from the biology standpoint, you know, as someone

1422
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:46.199
<v Speaker 4>who's trying to run research studies. And I guess the

1423
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.600
<v Speaker 4>sometimes there's a lot of you know, paperwork and stuff

1424
01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:51.720
<v Speaker 4>like that, and that's that's probably the hardest part. But

1425
01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:54.439
<v Speaker 4>I think that other scientists may like that more, but

1426
01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:58.159
<v Speaker 4>not really for me. I think I feel really lucky

1427
01:13:58.199 --> 01:13:59.800
<v Speaker 4>that this is something that I get to do for

1428
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 4>my for my job I really love. I want nothing

1429
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:05.880
<v Speaker 4>more than to be out in the field, you know,

1430
01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:08.720
<v Speaker 4>doing the field work, you know, collecting the tics we'll

1431
01:14:08.720 --> 01:14:10.439
<v Speaker 4>do well. Last summer we had a study were actually

1432
01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:13.159
<v Speaker 4>were laying down and we were sitting and we were kneeling.

1433
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:15.239
<v Speaker 4>We were trying to figure out what activities get us

1434
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:18.560
<v Speaker 4>or you know, you know, be more risky than others.

1435
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:20.720
<v Speaker 4>And I mean I could do that all day. It's

1436
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:23.079
<v Speaker 4>my favorite thing. And when I have to stay inside

1437
01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:25.640
<v Speaker 4>and do a budget or report, I feel so sad

1438
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:29.720
<v Speaker 4>to watch everyone go out without me because I would

1439
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:31.560
<v Speaker 4>do it all day long, every day. I love it.

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01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Her favorite thing about her job is lying down to

1441
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:38.119
<v Speaker 2>have ticks literally.

1442
01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:41.039
<v Speaker 3>Eat her alive. God, I love her. I love ologists

1443
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:44.359
<v Speaker 3>so much. What was the position that got you the

1444
01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:46.439
<v Speaker 3>most ticks? Stay tuned.

1445
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.520
<v Speaker 4>We only did a We only did a pilot, and

1446
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:52.000
<v Speaker 4>we're gonna scale it up a little bit this year.

1447
01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:55.600
<v Speaker 4>But you know, I think surprisingly to many people, you know,

1448
01:14:55.640 --> 01:14:57.119
<v Speaker 4>we found that a lot of our ticks were found

1449
01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:00.640
<v Speaker 4>above the knee from these activities. So, you know, a

1450
01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:02.199
<v Speaker 4>lot of people think, you know, you're only going to

1451
01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:03.680
<v Speaker 4>if you're walking through the woods, it's going to end

1452
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:05.800
<v Speaker 4>up on your on your shoes. And it may be that,

1453
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:08.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's when you kneel down to pull a weed,

1454
01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:10.439
<v Speaker 4>or when you you know, drop you know, pick up

1455
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:12.359
<v Speaker 4>a stick, or you're clearing brush in your yard. You

1456
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:14.960
<v Speaker 4>might get it on your arm. And certainly laying down

1457
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:17.640
<v Speaker 4>is a risky thing to do in the woods. I

1458
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:19.479
<v Speaker 4>don't know how many people do that, but we did it,

1459
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:22.640
<v Speaker 4>and uh, and that seemed to I think, I think

1460
01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:25.279
<v Speaker 4>it was either sitting down or laying down that that

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<v Speaker 4>exposed us to the most nymph stage ticks. And it

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<v Speaker 4>was Yeah, it's fun. I I don't say that lately.

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<v Speaker 4>I know that you know, ticks are a major risky thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but I just, you know, just to give you an

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<v Speaker 4>idea of the things that we do improve prevention, we

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<v Speaker 4>put ourselves out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>My last question is always what's your favorite thing about

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<v Speaker 2>your job? But apparently yours is lying in the woods

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for ticks.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I love it. I love collecting ticks. I love

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<v Speaker 4>and I also love looking at the ticks under the microscope.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just they're amazing. If you look at one up

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<v Speaker 4>close there, it's pretty astounding to see their enemy is

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01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:03.319
<v Speaker 4>really complicated. Just if you could look at a picture

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<v Speaker 4>of the tick hypostomach, that's their feeding tube. It has

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01:16:07.399 --> 01:16:10.600
<v Speaker 4>multiple like teeth on them and they're they're barbed so

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<v Speaker 4>that you know, the tick easily can go in, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's more hard for it to come out. It's very elaborate,

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<v Speaker 4>and different tick species have different you know, we call

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<v Speaker 4>it dentation. It's the different numbers of these little teeth spines,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's really incredible to look up clothes. So I

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<v Speaker 4>recommend everyone take a look.

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<v Speaker 2>It really looks like if a knife grew more knives

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01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:36.000
<v Speaker 2>on the surface of the knife.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a micro horror.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I love bugs. Yeah, I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>that ticks are the like takes. It kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>ones on my shit list of like ticks and cockroaches.

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01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:47.520
<v Speaker 2>I feel bad because I'm like, I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's really great to respect them for how stealthy they are.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's a great, a really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing to start. Just outsmart them. It's don't hate them,

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01:16:56.880 --> 01:16:57.680
<v Speaker 2>just outsmart them.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe. I think that's a really great I.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that this has one on my list forever. Thank

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01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you for being so passionate. I'm so I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>that you got headlights as a child.

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<v Speaker 3>Me too.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really firm. Who I am? I actually had sort

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01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:16.239
<v Speaker 4>of forgotten about that, and I was telling the story

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01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:18.720
<v Speaker 4>to someone not that long ago, and then I'm like, oh, yeah,

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01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:20.119
<v Speaker 4>you know that could have been the moment.

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01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:23.359
<v Speaker 3>We're all better for it. So thanks for getting headlines.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I you're welcome. I don't know, yes, bye bye.

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01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:31.760
<v Speaker 2>So hop on a phone and ask smart people stupid

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01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:35.640
<v Speaker 2>questions because the world is a mysterious and dark and

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01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:38.039
<v Speaker 2>interesting place and I know we're all terrified of ticks.

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01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:40.319
<v Speaker 2>But they did a lot of evolving to get where

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<v Speaker 2>they're at, and we have pretty big, squishy brains, so

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01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:46.359
<v Speaker 2>let's just try to outsmart them again. So much info

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<v Speaker 2>is up at tickcounter dot org and Nita's videos are

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01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:53.520
<v Speaker 2>at spray safe playsafe dot org. I will put a

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<v Speaker 2>link to my site in the show notes. You can

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<v Speaker 2>find all this stuff there, and remember daily ticcheck be

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<v Speaker 2>your Crevis's best friend. Now you can follow Nita because

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01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:10.680
<v Speaker 2>she's amazing. She's at tiklab on Twitter, on Instagram, on Facebook,

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01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:14.920
<v Speaker 2>just at ticklab. God bless her for that uniformity. And

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<v Speaker 2>her lab website is www WCSU ticklab dot com and

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<v Speaker 2>I will put a link in the show notes. Ologies

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<v Speaker 2>is at ologies on Twitter and Instagram. Say hello there,

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01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:30.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm at Ali Ward with one L on both Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>and Instagram. Thank you Hannah Lippo and Aaron Talbert for

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01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:37.760
<v Speaker 2>admining the Facebook Ologies podcast group full of curious non

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01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:40.760
<v Speaker 2>jerks who are so sweet to each other. And ologiesmerch

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<v Speaker 2>dot com has all of your Ologies podcast merch needs

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<v Speaker 2>shirts and tots and pins and hats. If you post

1528
01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:50.039
<v Speaker 2>a photo to Instagram tagged with Ologies merch, I repost

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<v Speaker 2>on Mondays and thank you to Shannon Feltas and Bonnie

1530
01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Jutch for helping manage that the last two years. They're

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01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:59.800
<v Speaker 2>two sisters who have a brand new, hilarious and charming

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01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:02.479
<v Speaker 2>pod called You Are That, and it's out now wherever

1533
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:06.000
<v Speaker 2>you get podcasts, So find it, subscribe and get to

1534
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:08.640
<v Speaker 2>know them in episode zero, and then on June tenth,

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01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:10.359
<v Speaker 2>their first episode's.

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01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:11.159
<v Speaker 3>Drop and you will love them.

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01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Also, Happy birthday to Aiden Feltis on June tenth. Assistant

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<v Speaker 2>editing was done by Jarrett Sleeper of mind Jam Media.

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01:19:18.039 --> 01:19:20.840
<v Speaker 2>He also hosts the mental health podcast My Good Bad Brain,

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01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:22.920
<v Speaker 2>which has the best theme music ever.

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01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:25.319
<v Speaker 3>Just trust me, go listen. You'll get it stuck in

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01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:26.840
<v Speaker 3>your head all day and be so happy about it.

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01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Also, thank you to Stephen Ray Morris of the per

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01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Cast and see Jurassic Right for stitching this all together

1545
01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:34.279
<v Speaker 2>every week. This week gets up a little late because

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01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:36.680
<v Speaker 2>someone I love very much was in the hospital and

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01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:37.960
<v Speaker 2>so I was out of town helping out.

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01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:40.960
<v Speaker 3>And also I had a few backback shoots in the

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01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:41.760
<v Speaker 3>middle of moving.

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01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:44.439
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just getting my bearings and everything will be

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01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:47.199
<v Speaker 2>good and normal next week, I promise, which brings me

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01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:49.560
<v Speaker 2>to the secret. At the end of an episode, I

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01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:52.279
<v Speaker 2>think two weeks ago, I told y'all that my wallet

1554
01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:53.760
<v Speaker 2>was stolen at Walmart.

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01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:55.279
<v Speaker 3>Guess what. Guess what happened.

1556
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.680
<v Speaker 2>The sheriff called and someone found it in a bush

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01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:02.159
<v Speaker 2>near Walmart with everything in it but the cash, which

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01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:04.560
<v Speaker 2>at this point is fine. And it's very good because

1559
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:07.079
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't even had a chance to tell the DMV

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01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:08.960
<v Speaker 2>that I needed a new ID, and I'm getting on

1561
01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:09.720
<v Speaker 2>another plane in.

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01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:10.279
<v Speaker 3>A few hours.

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01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:14.640
<v Speaker 2>And the TSA side note, does not appreciate expired passports.

1564
01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Is ID. They punish you with a booty massage in

1565
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:20.479
<v Speaker 2>front of all the other passengers, but jokes on them

1566
01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:23.680
<v Speaker 2>because sometimes they squeeze your feet while doing a pat down,

1567
01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and honestly, it's very comforting and I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, you got to check your crevices yourself.

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01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Though they don't do tip checks, don't even ask, not

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01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:54.239
<v Speaker 2>their job. Okay, goodbye, pacadermastology, homeology, crypto zoology, lithology, yeah, technology, meteorology, patternology, napology, zeriology, elology.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to check here. Imagine the place where you

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01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:02.920
<v Speaker 1>can escape for a day, get immersed in a world

1573
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:07.520
<v Speaker 1>of rooms, inspiration and expertise, where you can lay in

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01:21:07.720 --> 01:21:14.520
<v Speaker 1>luxury accommodation and kids can feasts from ninety five sets

1575
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:20.680
<v Speaker 1>tickets afreie to every one and include all the attractions

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01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you've just imagined a day out at the CAA, the care,

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01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the wonderful, every day