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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's up? And welcome back to part two of

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<v Speaker 1>Analyse Michelle.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim a True.

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<v Speaker 1>Cry podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Morning.

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<v Speaker 3>The following podcast contains content and material intended for a

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<v Speaker 3>mature audience listener discretion.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up? Hey, Hey, Hey, welcome back to part two show.

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<v Speaker 2>Best Week's everyone. There's two episodes you good bye. I

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<v Speaker 2>just ate ale bunch of peanut butter, which is really

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<v Speaker 2>like the last thing I should be eating.

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<v Speaker 1>Before before podcasting. Let's just have a big old spook

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<v Speaker 1>for peanut butter. Why not, I'll wash it down with's

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<v Speaker 1>some trench, some trench alcohol, shadow to trench.

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<v Speaker 2>We hit up trench today.

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<v Speaker 1>I got some thousand peaks, some thousand peach rosemary. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all good. This is my favorite beer, literally favorite beer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you're obsessed. You got to stalk up. But

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<v Speaker 2>you stalk up and then you just drink it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know that's the problem. It's like I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>store all this away in my belly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Well, because we just do what you got eight

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<v Speaker 2>and you're already drink too. No one's judging. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>pointing it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I should not have had like a scoop

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<v Speaker 2>of peanut butter before this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>But you are right with what you said a moment ago. Though.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the best weeks when you get two episodes, although

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<v Speaker 1>we're making them wait though, that's you're.

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<v Speaker 2>So kind because there are so many podcasts that will

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<v Speaker 2>just like do part one on like say, do we

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<v Speaker 2>release on Tuesdays and then they'll release part two on

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<v Speaker 2>the next Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like we're hella nice.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's very true. We are pretty fucking nice, Like

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<v Speaker 1>we're amazing people. We do good things. So yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not pad on the back. We're not biaus at all,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all. No, are you ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually let's get into it. Let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>This shit's been affecting my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I need closure, any closure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, every time a goddamn dor squeaks and closes, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like dumb. You have been on edge, such on edge,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it has to do with this shit,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, well, especially with Halloween coming up, it's probably only

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get worse for you, because I know for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to start looking in some more spooky cases

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just typical true crime stuff. Yeah, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>October when we got some cool shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming in, super cool shit. But I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like we have a lot on the go. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I feel like when it starts getting darker earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>that like bring some spookiness too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true that eerie like vibe hits your life.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and then yeah, we've been making me watch

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<v Speaker 2>we're not making me. We've been watching scarier movies lately,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I'm like being affected here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, most definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my next case I could pick like a

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<v Speaker 2>just like a social psyche. What am I trying to say?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea sociopath, a sociopath something that I

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<v Speaker 2>can't relate to.

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<v Speaker 1>Something you can't relate to. You got it?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know. We'll see, we'll see, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So first of off, first off, thank you to everyone

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<v Speaker 1>out there who reached out to us and congratulated us

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<v Speaker 1>on our announcements. And second for everyone who's dropping the

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<v Speaker 1>bomb on everything to do with the Exorcist, the original

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<v Speaker 1>Exorcist movie and how it was written or how it's

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<v Speaker 1>done by the book, how it was off of the

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<v Speaker 1>written book, which is based off a true story. There

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<v Speaker 1>we go. The first person who actually did message us

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<v Speaker 1>was Jobey Fawn. I really hope I'm pronouncing your name right. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>you you talked about it and you send us a message.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want to say thank you to you

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<v Speaker 1>guys out there, and thank you for hitting us up.

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<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate it. We've got some like photos of

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<v Speaker 1>like some staircases and stuff that was in the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>In the movie that was like just right by someone's house.

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<v Speaker 2>The visual that we have in our our recording area

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<v Speaker 2>is quite the scene.

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<v Speaker 3>We're a little bit distracted right now because Ripley is

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<v Speaker 3>being because we have like.

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<v Speaker 2>A blanket hung up just for echo I guess right,

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a cat gone behind the blanket and then

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<v Speaker 2>our cat's trying to get are our dogs trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get under there? And asses in the air, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well we'll leave that be. Let's get going with

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<v Speaker 1>this case. Let's go for part two. You guys, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for waiting. Let's get going on it. Let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 1>So Annalise is now gone through all that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>hell and she is now going into her exorcisms, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of where we left off. That's where we're at

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<v Speaker 1>right now. So after the first trial version of the

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<v Speaker 1>exorcism was performed by Father Alt, which went on for

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<v Speaker 1>approximately two hours, Annalise cried a sigh of relief as

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<v Speaker 1>she said, quote unquote, I am free and the demons

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly left her body.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so she initially thought she was good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was. She was rid of the demons at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. Okay, However, it didn't last long because, as

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<v Speaker 1>we know, she goes through multiple more extorcisms. So the

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<v Speaker 1>next day, subsequently, the demons did return with a vengeance.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh she only got a day's break.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, barely even, probably like twelve hours by the sounds

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<v Speaker 1>of it. So Annale's behavior began to spiral out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>She would frantically rush through the house. She'd keep repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>kneeling and standing rapidly over and over. So she's just

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<v Speaker 1>like dropping to her knees and then standing back up,

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<v Speaker 1>dropping to her knees. And this is something that she

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<v Speaker 1>continues to do over and over throughout the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>her exorcisms.

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<v Speaker 2>Dang her poor knees.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they would be bruised, they'd swell, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the end her knees were I don't know how broken,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know she doesn't at least fractures in her knees.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 1>She would sometimes pray repeatedly from dusk till dawn, and

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<v Speaker 1>she would repeat herself over and over with things like

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<v Speaker 1>my Jesus forgiveness and mercy, forgiveness and mercy et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Just repeat from dusk till dawn. That's fucking scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, I just can't even imagine, just like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, for lack of better words, but like the

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<v Speaker 2>vibe that is in the house with that, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I really can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think I would just be Oh I think

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<v Speaker 2>i'm on eyed cheer. Could you imagine living in that?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I can't and I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, yeah you said that you would just close

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<v Speaker 2>the door, Yeah, little.

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<v Speaker 1>Timmy, just like nope, Sorry, Tim, You're on your own,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's a medical thing or a spiritual thing, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the cause that's a big old note from me. Yeah, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm piecing out of there. Oh you're good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just feel really bad for her, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, definitely. So screaming was a normal thing for

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<v Speaker 1>her and the whole household well, coming from her. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure the parents would scream sometimes of frustration and terror,

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<v Speaker 1>but mostly it was coming from Analyse. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>a normal thing throughout the house to hear the screams,

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<v Speaker 1>except for times when she would tremble and fall to

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<v Speaker 1>a complete canatonic canatonic state of rigidity. Annalise saw clouds

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<v Speaker 1>of flies and shadowy figures and creatures that eventually her

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<v Speaker 1>family claimed to be seeing throughout the house as well.

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<v Speaker 2>The family would see them as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently the family would see them as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's sure a new layer yeah, huh okay

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<v Speaker 2>in trusting.

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<v Speaker 1>So the church was contacted and express written permission from

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<v Speaker 1>the bishop to perform the exorcisms on September twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy five. So we're now into the full exorcisms.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just feel like she needs like help, like

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<v Speaker 2>to be admitted into somewhere that can help her.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know, I know, well that's what they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do though by these exercises.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, because.

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<v Speaker 1>They did try medical and they couldn't find anything. The

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<v Speaker 1>EEG scans found nothing on her brain, essentially nothing. The

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<v Speaker 1>medications weren't helping almost anything except maybe some seizures.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, I guess, evehen right now, she's not even

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<v Speaker 2>really having those.

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<v Speaker 1>She's I mean, she's not She's having seizure activity, but

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<v Speaker 1>not like Flun's convulsions. I guess yeah, because like those

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<v Speaker 1>canatotic states of rigidity could be perceived as seizures could be.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's hard to say now. I always know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like looking at your face and like

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<v Speaker 2>he's lost, right, I need to.

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<v Speaker 1>Scroll and like keep like when we talk, and need

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<v Speaker 1>to like scroll up to the spot I was in.

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<v Speaker 1>So they expressed, okay, there we are the express permission

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<v Speaker 1>and did the first exorcism on September Tour twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy five. Father Wrenz conducted the ritual, and at

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<v Speaker 1>first he said that Analyse seemed normal when he arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the course of the exorcism, Analyse's behavior quickly changed.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, she was calm, but then her begin her

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<v Speaker 1>body began to shake violently, and she screamed and thrashed about,

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<v Speaker 1>and it took three grown men to hold her down

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<v Speaker 1>and prevent her from biting anyone or assaulting anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy, I mean three grown men, Like, that's that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot. Like, yes, that's needing a lot of restraint.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, because I can understand, I'm trying to play

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<v Speaker 1>the neutral point of view here, because I have my

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<v Speaker 1>own perspectives and that sort of thing, but I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to just play Devil's advocate and be neutral here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, that is a lot of strength and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like super natural esque type strength. However, we

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<v Speaker 1>as humans do not access our full potential of strength

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<v Speaker 1>when adrenaline kicks in. We see feats of superhuman strength

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<v Speaker 1>consistently throughout history and different events, and they say that

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<v Speaker 1>in like the Animal Kingdom, that that strength is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more easily tapped into. Yeah, like chimpanzees or something.

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<v Speaker 1>For whatever reason, through evolution, we don't tap into our

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<v Speaker 1>full potential of strength, probably for harming your own bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe in a state like this, she's able to

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<v Speaker 1>tap into that adrenaline and full potential of her strength,

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<v Speaker 1>making a lot easier for her to overcome people of

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<v Speaker 1>greater size or multiple people.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was like a small.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl though she was she yes, but also on that

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<v Speaker 1>same note, it could be a fucking demon in.

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<v Speaker 2>Her well, yeah, because she was a small girl, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was also at that point, really I'm probably undernourished

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<v Speaker 2>and not overly healthy, right, Yeah, so that's why I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like surprised that it would take. But then, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if someone's thrashing about like that is hard to contain

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<v Speaker 2>One killing you need to Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>So Father Wrens actually, during the ritual, began sprinkling analase

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the whole session of the first full extorcism

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<v Speaker 2>That's too long.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a long time. The only thing you should

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<v Speaker 2>be doing that long. I feel like a's sleeping.

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<v Speaker 2>Well at least. Yeah, but that's a really long time.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting that she's giving that much consent that

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<v Speaker 2>afterward it's like, yeah, go longer kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>but also just to throw this out there. I'm totally okay.

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<v Speaker 1>If people binge our podcasts for longer than five and

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<v Speaker 2>So there's another thing you can do. Yep, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think people have. There's some people that have finished all

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<v Speaker 1>Which is insane. You guys are amazing for that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>That means a lot. Okay, moving on, Okay, from the ritual,

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<v Speaker 1>she had full recollection of everything that happened, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was not in control. Now there's one hundred percent another

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<v Speaker 1>personality within analse's body which is quite distinct from her

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<v Speaker 1>could be a multiple personality disorder, oh okay, though many

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<v Speaker 1>are doubtful. If there were truly multiple persons in a

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you don't know much about that disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I looked it up briefly, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>multiple personality disorder is actually very very much so a

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<v Speaker 1>like bipolar or something. Maybe I don't know, but for

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<v Speaker 1>multiple personalities, because people generally know what the other personality

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. So interesting. Yeah, it was an interesting I don't

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<v Speaker 1>But that was a whole other path that goes out

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they're kind of skeptical of it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, like I said in the end of last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>over the next ten months from nineteen seventy five to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six, Analyse endured a total of sixty seven exorcisms.

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<v Speaker 1>She went through one or two each week, lasting up

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<v Speaker 1>to four hours long.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so much. It's like a part time job,

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<v Speaker 2>that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then probably so. During the ten month span,

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<v Speaker 1>they were able to discern six separate demons within Annaly.

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<v Speaker 1>The demons that were insider are Cain, who is the

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<v Speaker 1>son of Adam and Eve, known by the title as

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<v Speaker 1>Father of Murder. He was the first ever person to

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<v Speaker 1>commit murder. Nero, who was a cruel tyrant emperor in

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<v Speaker 1>Rome during fifty four, ad Hitler, who's.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's hit Yeah, no explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>Fleischmann, which we'll get into him in a minute, Judas,

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<v Speaker 1>which not who you think, but we'll get into that

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute as well. And Lucifer, who is of

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<v Speaker 1>course the devil in himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Cringing here, I am cringing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like wild, like that they got that much information, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think that she could just be making

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<v Speaker 1>In the audio tapes. I mean, it's there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to. There's hours and hours of audio. If

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<v Speaker 1>you listen through the audio audio tape, you can actually

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<v Speaker 1>hear them having conversations with specific demons, like who are.

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<v Speaker 2>You making different kind of voices?

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to each individual demon and they do kind

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<v Speaker 1>of but not really. It seems like they're still using

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<v Speaker 1>her vocal cords.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so which I yeah, which makes sense, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't sound that different, which again plays into

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<v Speaker 1>the fact on the arguable arguable fact, was there actually

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<v Speaker 1>six demons? Is she actually possessed? Is she just going

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<v Speaker 1>through some sort of mental thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I just feel like to get like that

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<v Speaker 2>much information and would she even just knowing her background,

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<v Speaker 2>her beliefs, would she even know all these people, like,

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<v Speaker 2>would they have been in something she would have learned about?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, most of these demons can actually be

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<v Speaker 1>found simply through biblical readings study. Okay, aside from well Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>who was well fucking Hitler. She lives in German or German.

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<v Speaker 2>She lives in German, so she would know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. However, there is one that stood out to the priest.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Valentine Fleischmann. And now he was a Frankish Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>drunken behavior and outlandishness. Fleischmann was accused of assault and murder. Really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time Fleischmann was a was a name. There

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<v Speaker 1>was very little information about the information was very not

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<v Speaker 1>so available to the public per se. It was someone

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<v Speaker 1>that Analyse rightfully should not have known about or come

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<v Speaker 1>across in her studies, because she did do studies before.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about that in the last episodes last episode

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<v Speaker 1>she was, but still it's not someone she should rightfully

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<v Speaker 1>know about. Okay, So there's another one that seems a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit weird. It seems strange that a man's name

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<v Speaker 1>Judas should be given for a demon, yet it's claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that Judas was often given by other possession victims as well,

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<v Speaker 1>not just analyse. It's not that the demon was actually

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<v Speaker 1>Judas of the Gospels, apparently, but instead the name represents

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<v Speaker 1>the role of a demon like a fucking job description. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>no day, Yeah, a Judas demon attempts to force its

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<v Speaker 1>victory to imitate the apostle and the betrayal of its lord,

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<v Speaker 1>because in the biblical readings, Judas betrayed Jesus, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it's paralleling is this demon is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get you to betray your beliefs and Christ and the

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<v Speaker 1>Lord and that sort of thing. Often it would actually

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<v Speaker 1>prevent its victims from swallowing Holy Communion in order to

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<v Speaker 1>steal the hosts. So basically what this means is a

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<v Speaker 1>demon prevents you from making a connection to God that's

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<v Speaker 1>keeping power over you. Holy communion is a ceremony where

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<v Speaker 1>his blood that was shed, and in consuming them, it's

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<v Speaker 1>and strength and hope and joy from him, which in

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<v Speaker 1>turn are all powerful weapons against such demons.

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<v Speaker 2>H Okay, this is just like it's like whoa, it's

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<v Speaker 2>information overloads, it is. But it's just like the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that this, this whole story is just it just honestly

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<v Speaker 2>blows my mind, like it literally does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that none of these were working though,

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<v Speaker 2>like they were able to like tap in and get

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<v Speaker 2>that much information from these demons. Yeah, but that like

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like why didn't anything work, Like why

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't they get them out or even one out? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that just seems But out of those six demons,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, there's a lot of like, oh, fucking

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<v Speaker 1>Devil's in here, fucking Hitler's in here. You know, pick

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<v Speaker 1>any fucking villain from a TV show that you want, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's in here. It could just be knowledge that someone's

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<v Speaker 1>just randomly spitting out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, fucking Dexter maybe in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Dexter was a good guy. What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she still murdered people, he did, he did, But

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<v Speaker 2>in the best of ways. I guess that you could

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<v Speaker 2>be a murderer.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are the two, which was Fleischmann, who she

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<v Speaker 1>rightfully shouldn't know about, and Judas, which is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>representing Judas himself, but Judas the role of whatever that

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<v Speaker 1>I just described here. And this is a consistent pattern

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<v Speaker 1>in other possession victims. So those are two kind of

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<v Speaker 1>interesting things about that. Very Yeah. Now, Analyse was beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to refuse to eat during the times of her exorcisms.

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<v Speaker 1>She went through stints in the past, but now it

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<v Speaker 1>was worse than ever. And she stated, quote unquote that

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<v Speaker 1>she was not allowed to wow, So whatever was in

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<v Speaker 1>her was not allowing.

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<v Speaker 3>Her to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>She must be so just frail height, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Gets extremely frail. We'll touch on that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the main thing that I visuals, like this

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly that. But then on top of it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just this frail young woman. It's this frail young

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<v Speaker 1>young woman who is thrashing about.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of.

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<v Speaker 1>Essentially like scratching, biting herself, dropping repeatedly on her knees

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor over and over again. She's beating and

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<v Speaker 1>bruising herself, and then of course being restrained during exorcisms

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. So it's just compiling. So you have this

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<v Speaker 1>frail woman who's not just frail, she's breaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like that seems so wrong to be restraining her,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess you kind of have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, they generally are restraining her to prevent her

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So she wasn't eating, and the demon's quote unquote was

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<v Speaker 1>not we're not allowing her to. Despite this, however, she

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<v Speaker 1>did consume the bread in communion, but just she felt

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<v Speaker 1>the bread, so instead she just let it lay on

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<v Speaker 1>her tongue softened to the point of almost dissolving, to

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now the demons told Annalise many times that she

426
00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:55.640
<v Speaker 1>was suffering the repercussions of her mother's sin.

427
00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Her mother's sin. Yeah, do we get to know what

428
00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the heck that was?

429
00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Now this is open to interpretation, I believe, But what

430
00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I read this as is we touched on it very

431
00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>first thing in last episode.

432
00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:12.720
<v Speaker 2>The mom what's got pregnant is that right.

433
00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Which she had a child at wedlock she had to

434
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:18.119
<v Speaker 1>wear a black veil to her wedding and air.

435
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I forgot about that actually.

436
00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:23.559
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if that's who knows what they're

437
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>referring to, but that is my interpretation of what the

438
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:29.240
<v Speaker 1>demons are referring to.

439
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:33.359
<v Speaker 2>So the demons care, though I.

440
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Don't know that's right, It's true. I don't know well.

441
00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Witnesses to the exorcism, such as family priests, attests that

442
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:47.519
<v Speaker 1>she displayed almost superhuman strength, as it took several people

443
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:49.839
<v Speaker 1>to restrain her. At times, Like I said, she would

444
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.880
<v Speaker 1>continue to keep repeating kneeling and raising over and over

445
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.559
<v Speaker 1>at ridiculous speed. She would feel heat throughout her body,

446
00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:59.799
<v Speaker 1>and she would often tear off her clothes in order

447
00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 1>to to cool herself. She had visions of demons, angels,

448
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:10.839
<v Speaker 1>those shadow figures, as well as stigmata marks appearing on

449
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>her body that were clearly distinct from other injuries. Do

450
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you know what stigmata is?

451
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I was just going to ask.

452
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Stigmata is referred to as an injury or marx on

453
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>the body, correlating to the injuries that Jesus would have

454
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:29.640
<v Speaker 1>sustained during his crucifixion. Okay, like marks on the hand

455
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:34.599
<v Speaker 1>and nails would go through the wrist. Maybe it was

456
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:35.599
<v Speaker 1>the wrist, I can't remember.

457
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it was the hand.

458
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know correlating to that.

459
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.240
<v Speaker 3>So nails marks through wherever the nails are going him,

460
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:47.160
<v Speaker 3>his hands, feet often bruising, or marks on the back

461
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.920
<v Speaker 3>where he would carry the cross marks on the heart

462
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.519
<v Speaker 3>across the forehead, sometimes from the thorns of the crown

463
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:57.200
<v Speaker 3>of Thorns, that sort of thing. So I couldn't find

464
00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:01.559
<v Speaker 3>what stigmata marks she had, but apparently there were distinct

465
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 3>stigma and marks separate from her other injuries.

466
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and that just seems like that's too much. You

467
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:11.640
<v Speaker 2>can't just like that's just not from being self inflicting

468
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:12.279
<v Speaker 2>anything like.

469
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:13.920
<v Speaker 1>That's yeah.

470
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Who I don't even know what to say half the time.

471
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>This shit's just so.

472
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Wide, This is fucking dark.

473
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.319
<v Speaker 2>This is crazy and in the back of my head,

474
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's like I'm just like, oh God, I'm going

475
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>to be on edge for a few more days, aren't I?

476
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, Father Wren's actually did decide he was going

477
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.079
<v Speaker 1>to put analyse to and or the demons through a

478
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 1>few tests because he wanted to test the validity of

479
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.799
<v Speaker 1>these possessions, so secretly he did put through some little

480
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>tests here. He did speak to the demons in other

481
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>languages to try and get them to respond in other

482
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:50.759
<v Speaker 1>languages that a lease wouldn't respond to.

483
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh, like the language she wouldn't know, yes.

484
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So he did try and speak in other languages. However,

485
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the demons did respond to the and said, only speak

486
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:01.720
<v Speaker 1>me in German. I'll only respond in German. But there

487
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>was one instance where he tried Dutch and the demons

488
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.839
<v Speaker 1>did respond one sentence in Dutch.

489
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:10.119
<v Speaker 2>And she wouldn't have known.

490
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if she would or would not have

491
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:14.880
<v Speaker 1>known Dutch. Apparently, when she was younger she did excel

492
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>at languages, so it is possible. Okay, so that one's

493
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of inconclusive. This one, however, fucking gets me. This

494
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>is fucked right up? You ready for this?

495
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Yeah, I'm ready. Let's do it. What is?

496
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.880
<v Speaker 1>One of his tests he conducted was that he would

497
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:37.200
<v Speaker 1>fill five water bottles with water, some with tap, some

498
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:42.039
<v Speaker 1>with holy water. Though the bottles were unmarked. The demons

499
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:45.039
<v Speaker 1>in Analyse would scream only when the holy water was

500
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:45.680
<v Speaker 1>used on her.

501
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Really apparently, huh.

502
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.720
<v Speaker 1>If that is true. That is fucking wild.

503
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 2>That is so fucked wow. Oh okay, and okay, this

504
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I have to also say, this priest is like consistent,

505
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 2>hey to be he put a lot of effort into.

506
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Put a lot of effort into it, like to be doing.

507
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.039
<v Speaker 2>This this, like he was really trying to help her.

508
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes. So, although the local parish priests recommended the analyst

509
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>be taken to a psychiatrist, the Michelle's already had their

510
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 1>fill of the psychiatrists and there was no way that

511
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 1>an least now being a twenty two year o adult

512
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>could be persuaded to go to a psychiatric clinic.

513
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:31.200
<v Speaker 4>Dang.

514
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 1>However, remember in last episode again it was told by

515
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:39.119
<v Speaker 1>one of the physicians that she was no longer capable

516
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>of making decisions on her own.

517
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she shouldn't have been able to decide that,

518
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>you mean, but her parents decided.

519
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 1>That decide that for her.

520
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I feel like she should be doing both that end,

521
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.720
<v Speaker 2>working with the priest. I mean, why not.

522
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, she still is taking some medications, she still is

523
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>seen doctors sometimes. She did have one doctor occasionally come

524
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>into her exorcisms as well, not all the time, but

525
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:12.119
<v Speaker 1>it was it was a thing that was still going

526
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 1>on briefly here and there, okay, But psychiatrists specifically was like, yeah, no.

527
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Well they may be sorry, I'm interrupting. Maybe not been

528
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>okay with the exorcisms either, yeah.

529
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, actially so by October fourth to sixth, somewhere in there,

530
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.799
<v Speaker 1>it's either fourth, fifth, or sixth, two weeks after, or

531
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's all three, I don't know. Two weeks after

532
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Father Wrens had begun the exorcisms, the demonic personalities weakened

533
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:46.519
<v Speaker 1>and spoke less frequently. Then on October seventh, seventh, another

534
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:50.759
<v Speaker 1>to grett All prescription for Analyse was being renewed and filled,

535
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 1>and that same evening, after she's taking her medications, the

536
00:29:55.319 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 1>demons returned in full force, even uttering a aparently a

537
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>horse scream and high pitched laugh simultaneously out of Analyse.

538
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>And is that like, okay, I just I don't know

539
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>if it was meant to be like that? But was

540
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:14.480
<v Speaker 2>that correlated with the medication?

541
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 3>You think, well, that's kind of how that's kind of

542
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:21.319
<v Speaker 3>what it led them to start believing that maybe the medication,

543
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.160
<v Speaker 3>the prescribed drugs, was having an effect on the demons

544
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.279
<v Speaker 3>and the possessions over Analyse.

545
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was allowing them in or.

546
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Fueling them or something potentially or fueling whatever issues she

547
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.559
<v Speaker 3>had going on, whether it be medical or demonic or anything.

548
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Right on October thirteenth, a strange new development occurred. Analyse

549
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:51.160
<v Speaker 3>began receiving messages obstinately from the Virgin Mary. By October sixteenth,

550
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 3>an Lise was told by her that she would become

551
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:59.720
<v Speaker 3>entirely free by October, which it's already October, but.

552
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 2>So by like the end of the month, probably like dying.

553
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Things however, didn't end in October. The torment, the exorcism, rituals,

554
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 1>and everything would continue four months. She would continue to

555
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>have conversations or visions or dreams of the Virgin Mary,

556
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 1>along with conversations, visions and dreams from the Lord, amongst

557
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.519
<v Speaker 1>many different things. But this we're getting way too deep

558
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 1>into the information for us to really touch on that.

559
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>But the fact is that she was seeing these demon

560
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 1>faces and being possed by demons as well as angels,

561
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 1>and the Lord and the Virgin Mary communicating with.

562
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Her, and this shit's been going on for years, really, right, yeah.

563
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much? So, Yeah, I can't imagine going through that

564
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 1>for so long. No, So in April, however, an Alice

565
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 1>begged her sister to warn her if anyone was planning

566
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 1>on taking her to the physicians, and she expressedly did

567
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>not want to see a doctor. She wanted to see

568
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 1>this through. Her torture and pain kept going. She went

569
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:15.200
<v Speaker 1>through fits of muscle contractions, being becoming rigidly stiff, screaming,

570
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I put creaming.

571
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, I forgot the.

572
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:27.759
<v Speaker 1>S screaming, thrashing about biting herself, hitting herself, she compelled.

573
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>She felt compelled to pray for hours on end, all

574
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>while going through exorcisms on a weekly basis. By June,

575
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 1>she become a frail person, super frail person, just like

576
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.920
<v Speaker 1>we were discussing with a sunken in face from malnourishment.

577
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:51.000
<v Speaker 1>She's essentially starving herself at this point.

578
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it's almost just amazing shows like her strength

579
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.920
<v Speaker 2>that she's lasted this long. Really, I go.

580
00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Five hours without food and McDonald's is like only a

581
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>drive away, and I'm just like starting to be itchy

582
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>for it.

583
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, hmm, well, remember I went a little longer

584
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>than usual today without eating, and I was like, my

585
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>vision was worried.

586
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, You're like, I can't see ship, I'm going blind.

587
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 2>It was just like something was in there. Just my

588
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.640
<v Speaker 2>eyes weren't working, and I was like, I need a

589
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 2>freaking granola bar or something nourishment. So the fact that

590
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>she's just going, yeah, I would, I'm like wow, like strength,

591
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 2>like strength, she's just really.

592
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's Her parents said she was drinking fruit juice

593
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and milk.

594
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 2>However, that's good, it's something.

595
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 1>It's something. Apparently there were occasions where she would drink

596
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 1>like leaders at a time.

597
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, when the demons allowed her to.

598
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if they did try to feed her, like

599
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>even force feed her, because they're trying to give her,

600
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>get her to eat something, she would refuse. She would

601
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:59.079
<v Speaker 1>tightly close her lips and mouth and just like there's

602
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>no way you're getting in her mouth, Like you're not

603
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>feeding her, you just can't. She's absolutely refusing. On June thirtieth,

604
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 1>she went through another exorcism, just like all the rest,

605
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>with prayers, thrashing about, screaming, severe bouts of rigidity, and analyse,

606
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:25.159
<v Speaker 1>kneeling and standing, kneeling and standing repeatedly. However, at this

607
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>point she is so weak she can't do it on

608
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 1>her own.

609
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Okay, so how's she doing it?

610
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, she can't walk on her own, so she can't.

611
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.719
<v Speaker 1>She can barely stand on her own. But so she

612
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>she can do it, but she needs help and she

613
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 1>like she demands, She's like, no, I need to do this.

614
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 1>So her family is helping her stand and kneel, and

615
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 1>they put a pillow on the floor so she could kneel,

616
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:53.360
<v Speaker 1>to try and protect her because she's like just break, yeah,

617
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's the only thing they can do to like

618
00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.039
<v Speaker 1>try and she's thrashing, like freaking out. Otherwise, they're the

619
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 1>only thing that they can do to try and come

620
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>hurt during these exorcisms. Then, on July first, at seven

621
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:11.159
<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning, an Lisa's father looked into Analisa's

622
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:14.159
<v Speaker 1>room and saw her sleeping. So he went off to work,

623
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.800
<v Speaker 1>just like another day of dealing with these extorcisms. He's

624
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>got to pay the bills, it's going to come back

625
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 1>home and trying to take care of his daughter and

626
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:26.079
<v Speaker 1>his family. I'm However, an hour into his shift, his

627
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>wife called and told him that Annalise had died.

628
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh so maybe when he looked in there, she was

629
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 2>actually passed away.

630
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she most likely was not sleeping.

631
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh and here he was just like, oh good, she's

632
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>getting some rest and want to go off to work. Yeah,

633
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:43.760
<v Speaker 2>oh my heart.

634
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.639
<v Speaker 1>That's a little heartbreak moment for sure.

635
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 2>It is it. Ah, like that's his daughter. Yeah, and

636
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.400
<v Speaker 2>he and and there's no lack of effort like this

637
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 2>family has done, burkin. I feel like almost everything really.

638
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:01.559
<v Speaker 1>However, I do want to say at least like there's

639
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:05.079
<v Speaker 1>some satisfaction in knowing she's not suffering anymore.

640
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Like I know.

641
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 1>If you have, like, let's put it in this perspective,

642
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>if you have like the family pet who's getting old

643
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.039
<v Speaker 1>and old and old, and they're just like they can

644
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 1>hardly stand or walk and they're so sick and cancer,

645
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.039
<v Speaker 1>it's better to take them to the vet and put

646
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.239
<v Speaker 1>them down if you can without that suffering. It sucks.

647
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>It so sucks.

648
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at some point it's like you're just the pets, especially,

649
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.360
<v Speaker 2>like you're just keeping them alive for yourself.

650
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, not that I'm saying you should go and fucking

651
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:34.679
<v Speaker 1>put your daughter out of.

652
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:35.639
<v Speaker 2>A misery or something like that.

653
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 1>You shouldn't do that, but there's that relief in knowing

654
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>that the suffering is over.

655
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because she was really really such she was suffering.

656
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:51.360
<v Speaker 1>So medical examiners concluded that Analysa's death was caused by starvation,

657
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 1>which was possibly aggravated by physical exertion. I couldn't find

658
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 1>an exact number, but by the time of Anne Lisa's death,

659
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 1>she weighed around ninety pounds.

660
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Really hey, yeah, and we don't all like how tall

661
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:07.239
<v Speaker 2>or anything she was.

662
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure on her height. No, I've never

663
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:11.960
<v Speaker 1>looked it up. I'm sure you might be able to

664
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>find that pretty easily.

665
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 2>But still like grown ass woman weighing ninety pounds.

666
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:21.719
<v Speaker 1>They found her inner organs to be completely healthy, her

667
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>brain had no damage hm and nothing that they could

668
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>find would even cause a microscopic seizure.

669
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, her body.

670
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 1>When there was an autopsy done on her, her brain

671
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>was completely normal, nothing that would ever even cause a microscopic.

672
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Seed and no damage to the brain whatsoever.

673
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 1>No brain's completely fine, her organ's completely fine.

674
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

675
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Though apparently her pupil her pupils were unusually dilated.

676
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that could honestly just be from the fact

677
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>that she was like malmourished in the sense.

678
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe. What is also strange about the cause of her

679
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 1>death though, is that she was able to get out

680
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>of bed repeatedly the night before she died, even with help.

681
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 1>That is extremely strange. It should be impossible for someone

682
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>on the verge of death from starvation to do that.

683
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Her mobility is confirmed by the examiner's observations that she

684
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>had no bed sores, which is not normal for someone

685
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 1>found with starvation. Really, hey, so she was moving, she

686
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 1>was getting out of bed, even with help. She was

687
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:45.159
<v Speaker 1>able to get out of bed, get moved, get motion,

688
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 1>not sit in one place. Someone who's starving is not

689
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 1>going to have the energy, the ability, or the strength

690
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>to do any of those.

691
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what is that she did? Confused?

692
00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>She had strength she shouldn't have had medically.

693
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I see, Okay, I'm just thinking, Like what I

694
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.760
<v Speaker 2>was thinking is was that was she should not have

695
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 2>been dying or said it was starving?

696
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 1>It was it was.

697
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>It was just amazing that she was even able to

698
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 2>get out of bed the night.

699
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was essentially a skeleton walking around. That's not possible,

700
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 1>but it was happening.

701
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm. Wow, my rain is just a turning.

702
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a big head scratcher for me.

703
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I was like, I was.

704
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Saying earlier, trying to play that neutral path. Even like

705
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.800
<v Speaker 1>adrenaline can kick in and give someone superhuman strength, you're

706
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 1>not gonna like that. That doesn't make sense. Adrenaline isn't

707
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.360
<v Speaker 1>going to kick in at that point in your life.

708
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.360
<v Speaker 1>If it does, it might kick in for thirty seconds.

709
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.199
<v Speaker 1>It's not going to keep you moving for days on end, praying,

710
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 1>kneeling up and down, up and down, getting out of bed,

711
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.639
<v Speaker 1>preventing bed stores when you are literally about to die.

712
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:59.679
<v Speaker 2>It's like the demons are giving her power or something,

713
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.039
<v Speaker 2>or or the angels.

714
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, yeah, or the demons were you know, or

715
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.920
<v Speaker 1>something treating her like a marionette or some sort something

716
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 1>else was giving her something to move, which is fucking crazy.

717
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Blows my fucking like, holy shit. How can you like

718
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 1>look at something like that and not think that there's

719
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 1>other forces at plate, Whether you look at it religiously,

720
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 1>whether you look at it spiritually, whether you look at

721
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 1>it like I don't fucking paranormally, whatever, there's something else

722
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>at play.

723
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, Yeah, that there just has to be, Like with

724
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 2>that autopsy that it just makes no sense.

725
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, moving on though, an Lisa's parents and father Alt

726
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:50.280
<v Speaker 1>and father Wrens were charged with negligent homicide. The prosecution

727
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:55.519
<v Speaker 1>requested that, if found guilty, no involved parties be jailed. Instead,

728
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the prosecution asked that the priests be fined and that

729
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>the parents had suffered enough, which is actually allowed in

730
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 1>journey court. Apparently, so, on March thirtieth, nineteen seventy eight,

731
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the trial began. All but one doctor that was questioned

732
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>firmly asserted that Analse was not possessed, but she suffered

733
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>psychological illness because of her strict religious upbringing and her epilepsies.

734
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm sorry, Okay, I'm listening to you, but I'm

735
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 2>also like, what the fuck's a point of this? I know,

736
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 2>it's like, it's just ridiculous, really, the fact that this

737
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>has to go to a trial, right, but.

738
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>This fun fact, this is one of the few cases

739
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 1>out there of exorcisms and possession that has actually gone

740
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:41.760
<v Speaker 1>to trial.

741
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

742
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:47.639
<v Speaker 1>The one discerning doctor that did stand against the others

743
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Richard Roth. He had been a participant in some of

744
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the exorcisms and allegedly had told Annalise that there is

745
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>no injection against the devil.

746
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

747
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>The events argued that the exorcism was a constitutional right

748
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:10.679
<v Speaker 1>the unrestricted exercise of religious belief under the unrestricted exercise

749
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.599
<v Speaker 1>of religious belief, but the court ruled otherwise. The court

750
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 1>concluded that the exorcism rights that were performed negligently. Sorry,

751
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 1>the court concluded that the exorcism rights were performed negligently.

752
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I can't speak words.

753
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:30.920
<v Speaker 2>You're doing good.

754
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.639
<v Speaker 1>And charged Annalise's parents and the priest with negligence resulting

755
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:40.159
<v Speaker 1>in homicide. They were all subsequently found guilty of men's lies.

756
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, and each were sentenced to six months in

757
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.840
<v Speaker 1>jail with three years of probation. The priest and the

758
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>church that he belonged to was also subject to a

759
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 1>small find which was little more than the court fees. However,

760
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 1>the jail time was suspended completely, so no one served

761
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>any jail time.

762
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:03.400
<v Speaker 2>That was going to be my question.

763
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just like in the movie Exorcism of Emily Rose,

764
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>no jail time was served.

765
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they, like she, they all consented to this

766
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.440
<v Speaker 2>and everything. So that's why I'm just like even her,

767
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:16.800
<v Speaker 2>this is what she wanted.

768
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I mean, take two people standing in a

769
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.559
<v Speaker 1>kitchen and one says shoot me, the other one says

770
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 1>okay and pulls the trigger, it's consent. I mean, that's

771
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.880
<v Speaker 1>not really how you know. There's laws against that shit.

772
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Stay, I guess, And we don't technically know she was

773
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 2>influenced heavily or whatever by her parents.

774
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.679
<v Speaker 1>Well that's exactly the religious upbringing, right. Yeah, So to

775
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:47.119
<v Speaker 1>end this all off, in nineteen eighty four, the bishops

776
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:51.639
<v Speaker 1>made a position petition sorry to the Vatican regarding the

777
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:55.679
<v Speaker 1>exorcism right, and a commission passed on the decision that

778
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.800
<v Speaker 1>she was mentally ill not possessed.

779
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 4>The Church, yes, huh, okay, the Vatican, not just the Church,

780
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.119
<v Speaker 4>the Church of all Church, the Vatican.

781
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. I just I honestly think this story.

782
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 2>It's just like almost over my head. It's just so

783
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.280
<v Speaker 2>wild because I just feel like there should be more

784
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 2>of this shit going on if it was a thing.

785
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, well there's arguments on both sides of that.

786
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 1>But like I said, I only scrape the surface of

787
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.559
<v Speaker 1>this case. We this could be like a fucking twelve

788
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:32.880
<v Speaker 1>part or.

789
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 2>If we wanted to you, yeah, you can probably real

790
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:35.800
<v Speaker 2>dive in.

791
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So if you want to read in on more

792
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.840
<v Speaker 1>in this case, good luck. I bid you ado on that,

793
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>because you're gonna be off doing your stuff for a while.

794
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.039
<v Speaker 1>It'll be a while before we see you over here again.

795
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 2>But it's who well, yeah, even just this case, like

796
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 2>you do spend We spend lots of time researching, but

797
00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.679
<v Speaker 2>you definitely spend like way more time I've.

798
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Probably put in I would say fifteen to sixteen hours

799
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>researching this case.

800
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>You're like me, I take a really long time researching.

801
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:09.639
<v Speaker 2>You do like really alone.

802
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's let's have a little cheers.

803
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:16.480
<v Speaker 2>To at least maybe there's like a drip left.

804
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:19.559
<v Speaker 1>You can have a sip of mine, our official badass

805
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>of the day for everything she went through. She she

806
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>deserves that.

807
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she definitely does that, poor thing.

808
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Cheers to her, and cheers to you, guys.

809
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Cheers to you, guys.

810
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening

811
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.920
<v Speaker 2>What I was pointing at you to say, Stay wicked, Oh,

812
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:36.000
<v Speaker 2>stay wicked.