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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder

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<v Speaker 1>weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Jared Woods.

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<v Speaker 1>want to welcome Jared Woods. He is an author, artist, traveler,

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<v Speaker 1>and theological researcher. Jared, welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing, mates, I'm so good, so s happy

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<v Speaker 2>to be Christen having a wonderful day. So it's good

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<v Speaker 2>to see him.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, yeah, man, looking forward to this. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be getting into your book Jesus Was a Shape Shifting

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<v Speaker 1>Alien and twenty two other Christ Conspiracies. It's a collection

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<v Speaker 1>of esoteric and occult themed theories exploring what you call

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<v Speaker 1>Christ conspiracies, which includes the classic gnostic Christ, the mystery

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<v Speaker 1>cult possibilities, even ancient alien interpretations. In my personal journey,

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<v Speaker 1>the teachings of Christ have been such a powerful spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>foundation in my perspective, it doesn't really matter if he

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<v Speaker 1>was an alien or an archetype or a man. His

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<v Speaker 1>teachings have impacted humanity in an extremely powerful way, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very open minded as to who or what Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>really was. You seem to have covered all the possibility,

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<v Speaker 1>so looking forward to getting into this. Before we do,

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<v Speaker 1>this is your first time on tell us a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about your yourself and let the audience know how

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<v Speaker 1>they can find more.

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<v Speaker 2>Great Well, thank you for that excellent introduction, mate, And

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about myself. My background is in I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an author, so I've written quite a few books on

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<v Speaker 2>various topics, from self help to music related topics, but

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<v Speaker 2>my passion has always been comparative religion. So I spend

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<v Speaker 2>once a year I read a holy text. So whether

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<v Speaker 2>that be the Corona, or the Bible, or the Satanic

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<v Speaker 2>Bible or the Scientology. You know, every year, for the

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<v Speaker 2>last I believe it's eleven years now, I've read one

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<v Speaker 2>of those. At the same time, I travel full time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very fortunate as being an author. All I need

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<v Speaker 2>is WiFi so I can get to explore the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've used that. I mostly select the locations that

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<v Speaker 2>are extremely potent with their spiritual reputations, for example India

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<v Speaker 2>or Central Australia or South America. You know, I've done

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well with my travels extensively, and so all of

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of feeds into my passion for writing about theology.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year I had a kind of what I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was a really good idea. I rewrote the story of

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<v Speaker 2>Christ the four Gospels as one timeline, and I also

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<v Speaker 2>added two hundred and fifty non canonical texts that speak

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<v Speaker 2>about Jesus's story, the Gnostics ones, of course, and then

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<v Speaker 2>other ones that vary in like debatable with the authenticeship,

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<v Speaker 2>but the authenticity rather. But the idea was not to

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<v Speaker 2>present what I say is the most factual presentation of Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>But the idea was to give the most thorough story

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus. I wanted to make sure that everything that's

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<v Speaker 2>ever been kind of said about it or hypothesize was there,

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<v Speaker 2>even when contradictory. I'll say that some people say this,

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<v Speaker 2>some people say that anyway, on this great mission that

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<v Speaker 2>was really just taught me so much about Jesus, who

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<v Speaker 2>I am a huge fan of. Despite not being completely Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>I did find a lot of strange works. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus was an Alien was a theory that I just

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<v Speaker 2>did not feel was scholarly enough to put into what

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be a very serious work. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I finished what I called the Gospel of Christ last year,

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<v Speaker 2>I had all these kind of very interesting theories that

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't fit into a serious narrative. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, actually I should. This is actually an

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<v Speaker 2>even better book to compile these together, these very in depth,

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<v Speaker 2>strange and sometimes you know, sometimes they're really out there,

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<v Speaker 2>but sometimes they does feel like there's something to them,

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<v Speaker 2>and just put them in one place and without an agenda,

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<v Speaker 2>I argue foreign against each theory, and just to present

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<v Speaker 2>them as like a complete collection, and I think that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it is really a testament to Jesus that

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<v Speaker 2>I managed to find twenty three very distinct conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 2>It just shows how wide his influences and how much

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<v Speaker 2>attention and fascination there is with the story two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years later, that there's still so much content to write

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<v Speaker 2>a book like this right on.

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<v Speaker 1>Man and you mentioned that you're not particularly Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Any spiritual leanings or particular lens that you viewed everything through?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I am. I am. I'd like to say that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm spiritual. It's taken me a long time of soul

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<v Speaker 2>seeking and, as I say, a lot of travels to

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<v Speaker 2>really define what that is for me. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've found something that makes sense to me and is

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<v Speaker 2>quite unique. But for me there is I do find

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<v Speaker 2>what I love about comparative religion is finding what the differences,

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<v Speaker 2>because that justifies their existences. Each religion has to be different,

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise they'll be redundant, but more importantly the similarities. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just am so fascinated with how so similar every

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<v Speaker 2>religion really is when you get down to not what

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<v Speaker 2>the organizations say and not what people have developed and

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<v Speaker 2>denominations developed, but what the profits all said really is

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<v Speaker 2>very much in tune with each other, and so that's

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<v Speaker 2>what fascinates me. So when it comes to writing by Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really is through the lens of Jesus. I think

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<v Speaker 2>for good reason that Christianity as the most popular religion

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<v Speaker 2>in the world is because as teachings were revolutionary and

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<v Speaker 2>also incredibly you know, forgiving and kind and you know

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<v Speaker 2>things that's still the world desperately needs. And even people

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<v Speaker 2>who call themselves Christians are not following as well as

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<v Speaker 2>we would hope. So there's still there's still you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have still not even exhausted the power of Christ

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<v Speaker 2>even remotely in our current age. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Another aspect I would add is that they're very easy

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<v Speaker 1>for most people to understand the concept behind the teachings.

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<v Speaker 1>It just adds to I believe the power and the

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<v Speaker 1>popularity of Jesus christ teachings. Let's go through some of

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<v Speaker 1>the chapters, some of the theories that you've come up with,

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<v Speaker 1>see what comes out. We could start with Jesus was

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<v Speaker 1>a shape shifting alien.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so, I mean, this is an interesting theory. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think the best thing is that as a title,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very it grabs your attention. Already there's been a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of pushback on we're going to imagine you can't

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<v Speaker 2>matter of course, But I just always want to remind

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<v Speaker 2>people the best thing to do is read the book.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll find that I present the case on both sides,

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<v Speaker 2>and these are theories that pre existed. It's not like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm making them up, right, But yeah, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know on your show you've spoken about

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<v Speaker 2>this type of thing before. The Nephilim is obviously so

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<v Speaker 2>aliens and the watches have all been tied to Biblical

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<v Speaker 2>mythology anyway, so there's already that. So I do start

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<v Speaker 2>with that. I start with how there was possibly these

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<v Speaker 2>these watches that came and bred with women and then

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<v Speaker 2>the Nephlim were born, and that was kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>missing Lincoln away. But how a lot of scholars now

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<v Speaker 2>are leaning, especially more scientifically inclined scholars, are leaning closer

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<v Speaker 2>to towards the idea that these weren't angels, but there were aliens.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, there's lots of different scripture you can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. One of the most famous ones, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>is like how biblically accurate aliens are described as wheels

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<v Speaker 2>within wheels within wheels, which is a technological thing rather

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<v Speaker 2>than anything you would associate with angels. So from there

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<v Speaker 2>I built into the idea that if that's the case,

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<v Speaker 2>and every angel sighting or experience could possibly be looked

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<v Speaker 2>through the lens of alien then we were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about Mother Mary. We took about how the

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<v Speaker 2>imactive conception was actually if you look at it was

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<v Speaker 2>an artificial insemination and the fact that she was there

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<v Speaker 2>was no intercourse. There was an insemination without intercourse. So

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<v Speaker 2>that is an artificial insemination, which a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>put that would you know, they say that aliens have

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<v Speaker 2>been doing that. Anyway, the Star of Bethfieldhem appeared with

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<v Speaker 2>the birth of Jesus, and he was a a child

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, had exceptional powers from from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so really there was this kind of this

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<v Speaker 2>otherworldly aspect to it. But of course I think one

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<v Speaker 2>of the major things was, well, you know, what's really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting actually is that the Gospel of Mark, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the first gospel. You know, we had this wonderful uh

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<v Speaker 2>story of Mary and the virgin birth, but that is

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<v Speaker 2>actually quite late. It was many many decades after the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that Matthew and Luke brought those two two up.

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<v Speaker 2>But the first gospel that we know of is called

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<v Speaker 2>Mark is Mark's one, and that and Jesus just appears

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<v Speaker 2>as as already a full grown man and starts as ministry.

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<v Speaker 2>There's actually another gospel that has since been lost, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's the Gospel of I'd never not to say

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<v Speaker 2>this name, and I'm so apologized, but because I only

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<v Speaker 2>have read it. It's like Marcion or Marchion or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But it's a he was a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>they believed just rewrote Luke. But their scholars now that

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<v Speaker 2>have a theory called the marsh Priority theory, and they

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<v Speaker 2>believe that it was actually before or the other gospels.

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<v Speaker 2>And in that gospel, Jesus floats down from the sky

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<v Speaker 2>as an adult man and begins his ministry. So again

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of ties into Okay, something's coming from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the olden days you see something from the sky,

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<v Speaker 2>you think heavens. Now that we are kind of moving

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<v Speaker 2>away from these mythological ideas and more into science, coming

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<v Speaker 2>from the sky, we know that space. So again it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of ties into this from above. And always it's

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<v Speaker 2>a voice from above. It's always Jesus on the right

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<v Speaker 2>hand of God on the clouds. So there's always these kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of So you say, the earliest writings about Christ don't

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge his birth or any event surrounding it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, the very very first writings we have of Christianity

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<v Speaker 2>was the Poor Apostle Letters, which actually don't deal with

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus's life at all. There was just poor He kind

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<v Speaker 2>of spoke, he was trying to he was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of iron out the logical disputes and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>build up more of a like an organizational aspect of Christianity.

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<v Speaker 2>So it took it took a couple of decades before

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<v Speaker 2>we got Mark. But yeah, as I said, the Gospel

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<v Speaker 2>of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, that was

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<v Speaker 2>zero mention of of of Mary I think was mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>as a name, but never as a virgin birth, and

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<v Speaker 2>never as as a mother, which you think would be included,

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<v Speaker 2>because that is quite a bit, quite a giant aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of of what was so miraculous about his life. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it took, it took another couple of decades.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I had the exact numbers, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>estimate six or seven even maybe longer than that. Decades

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<v Speaker 2>before the virgin birth was first mentioned in the Luke

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<v Speaker 2>or Matthew. But as I say, there were other texts

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<v Speaker 2>that were our hYP hypothesized to be as early as

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<v Speaker 2>Mark that spoke about Jesus just coming from the sky

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, you sign another interesting point that oftentimes

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<v Speaker 1>Talk a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, exactly, I'm so glad that's exactly. The next

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<v Speaker 2>many other examples after the resurrec after the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>during the resurrection, I wish I could remember. There's two apostles.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them is nameless and the other has a

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<v Speaker 2>name I've forgotten. But they walked from Jerusalem to the

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<v Speaker 2>they realizes Jesus and he disappears. So these are curious

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<v Speaker 2>day biblical in the Gospels, instances of Jesus changing shape,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is not This is very very prevalent across

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of scripture, like a non canonical scripture. There's

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<v Speaker 2>there's stories of him changing shape in front of people unrecognizable,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a there's the transfiguration of don't if you remember

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there's, there's, there's, there's there's lots of very

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you did this because, as it is,

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<v Speaker 1>there is infinite ways to interpret biblical scripture and spiritual stories.

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<v Speaker 1>So breaking down just the stories about Jesus gives a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And I think like one thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many occasions where someone like the Romans or

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of decades after his death, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>so easy for them to say that this guy didn't exist,

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<v Speaker 2>he was made up. But instead, it's like every story,

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<v Speaker 2>you think it's a sorcerer, it's always he was some historical,

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<v Speaker 2>extremely powerful figure with all these stories that revolve around

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<v Speaker 2>him that a lot of people deny his existence today,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's a very very recent development. For thousands of years,

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<v Speaker 2>I was never even brought up really as a question.

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<v Speaker 2>It was always trying to explain his powers, rather than

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<v Speaker 2>say this guy was made up. So I think all

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<v Speaker 2>these stories are kind of a testament to at least

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get into some many that I've never heard of,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure men in the audience haven't either. Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the That's the second chapter.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think there's there's a lot of similarities between

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<v Speaker 2>distinction to justify it. So, first of all, Jesus was

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<v Speaker 2>a prophet in the purest sense. He predicted many many things.

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<v Speaker 2>He predicted, you know, he predicted his death, He predicted

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<v Speaker 2>his death, and he wish that's not even in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible that that was That's a historical fact, the Romans

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<v Speaker 2>destroyed it. And I think to me, the most incredible

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<v Speaker 2>thing that that was predicted by Jesus according to the scripture,

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<v Speaker 2>was he said that everyone to the ends of the

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<v Speaker 2>earth will know my name. That's still that's like never

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<v Speaker 2>been true. It's as true still today as that was.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a bold thing for someone who was in

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<v Speaker 2>people and you know, everyone who is, you know, past

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<v Speaker 2>a certain age has probably heard his name of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So that was an incredible prediction. Another thing about that

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<v Speaker 2>he's thought. He was so progressive in what he is,

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<v Speaker 2>what he taught. He talked for forgiveness, he talked dignity

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<v Speaker 2>These things were incredibly forward thinking at the time when

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<v Speaker 2>so he came from this quiet, forward thinking place. But

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<v Speaker 2>the hologrammic aspect is actually incredibly interesting as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>so going back to Mary and the gardener, she tries

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<v Speaker 2>you can't touch me because I haven't haven't quite yet

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<v Speaker 2>like fully formed. There's something to that effect, which I

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<v Speaker 2>pull this up because there is. Yeah, there's a there's

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<v Speaker 2>a non canonical uh uh, a scripture called the Acts

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<v Speaker 2>of John, and he talks about he says, sometimes when

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<v Speaker 2>I would lay hold of him, I met with a

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<v Speaker 2>I felt him, the substance was immaterial, as if it

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<v Speaker 2>you would touch him in his hand and go through him.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also on that in that same scripture that he

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<v Speaker 2>he Jesus was walking in there's no footprints. Everyone leaves

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<v Speaker 2>for foot Princeville, but Jesus. So these are the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of things that lend itself to how he would sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, some of the wildest, most interesting stories come

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're great Yeah. Yeah, sometimes it's like you kind

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when it comes to Jesus being a time traveler,

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<v Speaker 1>this would also mesh with why the story of Christ

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<v Speaker 1>essentially repeats through different historical periods throughout different theological beliefs.

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<v Speaker 1>Many argue the details, but when you step back and

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<v Speaker 1>look at the story as a whole, it's almost exactly

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And I think that is so fascinating and something

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm just so interested in. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all like a mythology that's been repeated. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's there's this very interesting idea I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you're aware of. There's a relusion could be high

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<v Speaker 2>faith and there is story is that there's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>but there is this kind of repetitive energy that that

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual imbalance and it comes to rectify this. And Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>he's going back to the time traveling thing in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons why they really turned against him

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<v Speaker 2>was he speaks about how he was there with Moses.

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<v Speaker 2>of time, how he knew Abraham, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>indication of this kind of rebirth process. And and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these the extents to people like Confucius, extents to Mohammed,

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<v Speaker 2>to believe that that there's this type of that that

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus is one thing. Jesus was a manifestation a human

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<v Speaker 2>and at a certain point in period and history, but

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<v Speaker 2>that Christ was different. Christ was a title which is

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<v Speaker 2>actually an anointed title. It's the anointed one that actually

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<v Speaker 2>is continuously repeated because Christ has said Jesus said time

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<v Speaker 2>and time again, I will come again, and people are like,

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<v Speaker 2>he never came back. But it's like, because you're waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for Jesus, you're waiting for a human to come again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not how it works. Perhaps perhaps he's talking about

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<v Speaker 2>just don't we just don't register it. It's a theory, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I enjoyed the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>He also made several predictions that have come to pass

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<v Speaker 1>which could also indicate the time travel aspect as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, definitely, no, No, he made loads of those, But

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<v Speaker 2>he also made a couple of My biggest thing about

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<v Speaker 2>of it. There's been so many people who have distorted it.

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<v Speaker 2>They've weaponized Jesus for all stars of hatred towards demographics

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<v Speaker 2>of people, and I find it kind of weird, Like

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<v Speaker 2>might be like, Hm, I need to reword this a

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<v Speaker 2>they Yeah, there's been just a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>very beneficial religion, but they're just unfortunately there has just

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<v Speaker 2>I guess is has its faults.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you also pose the question, could his miracles be

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<v Speaker 1>we will see those things differently than we see them now.

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<v Speaker 2>was his number one miracle that he performed. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he could just could really just be put down to

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<v Speaker 2>not quite sure how he brought certain characters back to life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's that's a good one. We still haven't caught

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<v Speaker 1>We also know that in our modern age there's a

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<v Speaker 1>occult in dark arts, and I think that's been implemented

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<v Speaker 1>into our technology in many different ways which most people

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<v Speaker 1>if he had these mystical abilities, if he really did

419
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<v Speaker 1>study mystery schools and these different esoteric concepts, I'm sure

420
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<v Speaker 1>he would have a great knowledge of human psychology and

421
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<v Speaker 1>how to I don't want to say manipulate it, but

422
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<v Speaker 1>kind of manipulate it.

423
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know. Well, I mean this is the thing

424
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<v Speaker 2>the very idea of I'm not saying he's a con man,

425
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.119
<v Speaker 2>but the idea of con man is a confidence man.

426
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<v Speaker 2>And one thing that Jesus definitely was was a charismatic speaker.

427
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<v Speaker 2>So he had people you would be useless, even if

428
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<v Speaker 2>you had superhuman powers, even if you were born a

429
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<v Speaker 2>certain way, you would be useless if you weren't able

430
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<v Speaker 2>to pull a crowd. And one thing that Jesus was

431
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<v Speaker 2>very proficient that was was to capture the imaginations of

432
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<v Speaker 2>the people and have them following him with his public

433
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<v Speaker 2>speaking abilities. So yeah, who knows, Yeah, he might have

434
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<v Speaker 2>just just been incredibly convincing.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into the possibility that Jesus' resurrection appearances were

436
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<v Speaker 1>not physical.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's a that is a good one.

438
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

439
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<v Speaker 2>One of the main things against that was, and kind

440
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:27.920
<v Speaker 2>of goes back to what we were saying, is that

441
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<v Speaker 2>the original post, well, the the earliest earliest cightings, sorry,

442
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.519
<v Speaker 2>the earliest writings of Jesus were by Paul's letters, and

443
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>he believed that he cited Jesus, but what he said

444
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>he cited was very much just a vision. So the

445
00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>idea was that that that all these sightings of Jesus,

446
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:55.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he was cited by the disciples, he

447
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 2>was cited by Mary, that there were other there were

448
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<v Speaker 2>other causes of this, and some of them that have

449
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:09.039
<v Speaker 2>been proposed was grief trauma, memory distortion, cognitive refusal of acceptance,

450
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:16.119
<v Speaker 2>wish for thinking, sleep deprivation, fasting for too long, desperate expectations,

451
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:21.079
<v Speaker 2>spiritual trances or ecstatic epiphanies, or just simply mass hysteria

452
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:26.160
<v Speaker 2>and so also but the other thing that's interesting about this,

453
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and I think to take it a lot more seriously,

454
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:35.599
<v Speaker 2>is that there was a that originally Jesus was talking

455
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:39.839
<v Speaker 2>very much about a kind of there's a theory that

456
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.440
<v Speaker 2>he was kind of leading a political revolution. He was

457
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<v Speaker 2>there to kind of overthrow the Jewish rule and the

458
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Roman occupation, and in doing so, he kind of all

459
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:53.960
<v Speaker 2>these disciples believed that he was he was. The disciples

460
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:58.559
<v Speaker 2>were promised kind of very higher positions after success. So

461
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 2>when Jesus was Crucifer, the idea was that that now

462
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:06.960
<v Speaker 2>they lost a huge section of of you know, they

463
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.319
<v Speaker 2>all this kind of they were promised to a certain

464
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 2>hierarchy and rankings that they weren't going to get. So

465
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>they developed a story where that he he appeared to

466
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 2>them and it became from he went from a military

467
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.839
<v Speaker 2>leader into then the prophetic figure that we now understand.

468
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<v Speaker 2>So it was kind of like a made up story

469
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 2>of of of a belief. But there's a there's a

470
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a very another interesting one. If we

471
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<v Speaker 2>keep going back to the Gospels and how we spoke

472
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<v Speaker 2>about the Mark being the first one, uh, the resurrection

473
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:49.079
<v Speaker 2>of Christ being seen was it was in Mark, but

474
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.599
<v Speaker 2>those lines were added many many decades afterwards, so it

475
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 2>was kind of just written in almost like by hand.

476
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>So there's there's there's a there's no one as like

477
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<v Speaker 2>the second ending to Mark. So the resurrection of Christ

478
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really in Mark. Yeah, it wasn't really a Mark either.

479
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.400
<v Speaker 2>There was an angel in the tomb that said Jesus

480
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.400
<v Speaker 2>has risen, so there was kind of that in Mark.

481
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:14.720
<v Speaker 2>But the woman that discovered the empty tomb see at

482
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the second version of Mark, do actually bump into Jesus

483
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.519
<v Speaker 2>and they see him for themselves. That was added in

484
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>decades later to probably be more congruent with the later

485
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Matthew and Luke to say, oh, there was deathnely a resurrection.

486
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:37.319
<v Speaker 2>So again, you know, the whole idea is unfortunately the

487
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>skepticism comes, which just the length of time it took

488
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 2>for these things to actually be noted.

489
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.279
<v Speaker 1>You also mentioned the ongoing visions that people have. You

490
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>cited the visions in slices of toast or on the wall.

491
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Many people have vivid dreams or even meditation experience. Near

492
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>death experience is where they need Jesus. That is still

493
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 1>a powerful archetype that appears in many instances as people's consciousness.

494
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's a great thing. And I think

495
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:13.359
<v Speaker 2>if that happens to you, you know, it's going to

496
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.440
<v Speaker 2>be difficult to convince other people that's happened to you.

497
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 2>But if you if you know, spirituality is not a science,

498
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>spirituality is something that that everyone needs to have as

499
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.559
<v Speaker 2>an individual experience. So you know, I'm more for that

500
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:26.839
<v Speaker 2>if someone if someone sees Jesus and a piece of

501
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.240
<v Speaker 2>toast but actually feels something about that, you know, I

502
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>think that's great. Or you know, if they manage to

503
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.119
<v Speaker 2>make some money orf it, that's also you know, that's

504
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.799
<v Speaker 2>good for them. But I think, uh, I think, yeah,

505
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 2>it's it's there's there's nothing worse than someone who's just

506
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:46.559
<v Speaker 2>super cynical or just very harsh on people who believe

507
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.559
<v Speaker 2>they've had these experiences. And for me, I think, you know,

508
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>as long as you have had a positive experience and

509
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:55.160
<v Speaker 2>you don't use it to mistreat anyone else or in

510
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.519
<v Speaker 2>any way, I think who's to say what a what

511
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.599
<v Speaker 2>a spiritual experience has to be. So you know, I'm

512
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.119
<v Speaker 2>all for man, wherever you see Jesus or Buddha or

513
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>whatever you want. I think it's it's you know, it's

514
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>it's all. It's a beautiful thing as long as it yeah,

515
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>as long as no one gets hurt.

516
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to get to one of your chapters that

517
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>really stood out for me. Jesus was a mushroom all

518
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>along being a former psycho not. This really stood out

519
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>for me, so let's get into that.

520
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, that's great because then you will understand a

521
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.480
<v Speaker 2>lot a lot of this. The funny thing about this

522
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 2>is it's there was a guy called John m Allegro,

523
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's how you pronounce his name. He was actually,

524
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know much about the Dead

525
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Sea Scrolls. They found these scrolls that I kind of

526
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:43.799
<v Speaker 2>talk about the I think they called the Esseny's or

527
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of like a Jewish sect, and he was

528
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 2>one of the main scholars on on the of these scrolls,

529
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:53.880
<v Speaker 2>so he had a good name for himself. And he

530
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>was a teacher at the Manchester University and he came

531
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 2>up with this theory which is slightly different than the

532
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:02.079
<v Speaker 2>one that I'm going to talk about, but it's he

533
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of popularized this idea that that Jesus was was

534
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.720
<v Speaker 2>a mushroom, kind of an allegory for a mushroom. And

535
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the poor guy, he got laughed out of the community.

536
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 2>It was completely debunked in some ways or just disregarded

537
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:22.119
<v Speaker 2>at least, and there was and he lost his job,

538
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.039
<v Speaker 2>even though I think he quits just because it became

539
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>so stressful for him. But when you look into this theory,

540
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>there actually is a lot, a lot I found. You know,

541
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>you hear the title Jesus was a mushroom. It sounds hilarious,

542
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:36.640
<v Speaker 2>but the more I dug into I'm like, there's a

543
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>lot to this, and the it's it's times a few

544
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 2>things we actually have spoken about. But at the time

545
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 2>of Jesus, when he was in Jerusalem, we know that

546
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>there was a big connection with the Greeks. The Greeks

547
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.279
<v Speaker 2>were there. There's mention of the Greeks. Jesus probably spoke

548
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 2>a bit of Greek because we know that he communicated

549
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 2>with Pontious Pilot and the only the only shared language

550
00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 2>there would be would be Greek. It was also Juruism

551
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 2>was a massive trade town, so it was quite multicultural.

552
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 2>So we know there was a Greece connection. And in

553
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Greek Greece at the time there were these mystery celts.

554
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 2>The Dionysius cult is one of the most famous, and

555
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>that one is specifically about. What we're talking about is

556
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.559
<v Speaker 2>that they would drink wine believed to be laced with drugs,

557
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 2>whether it be opioids or some something or rather, and

558
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the entire point of it was to mimic the experience

559
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.839
<v Speaker 2>of death and then to come back to life and

560
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 2>then to kind of then then first of all no

561
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 2>longer be afraid of death, but second of all kind

562
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:41.200
<v Speaker 2>of had this experience that that completely changes your perspective.

563
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>So and and as as many people who are that

564
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:47.759
<v Speaker 2>way inclined, No, there is that there is a thing

565
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>on mushrooms called ego death, when when you kind of

566
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 2>completely lose yourself and then come back, and people have

567
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:56.160
<v Speaker 2>have have different reports on that, but it's often considered

568
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:00.359
<v Speaker 2>to be quite quite a quite a foremanth of experience.

569
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 2>So the idea with this is that that's actually what

570
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Jesus was. Tisn't to gnosticism a bit, but a lot

571
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 2>of what Gnostics spoke about was that the resurrection. And

572
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually gonna pull this up here, but the resurrection

573
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 2>was not real. This is what the Gnostics believe. It

574
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:23.200
<v Speaker 2>was a metaphorical thing. And there is a beautiful The

575
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 2>Gospel of Philip, which is one of the more famous ones,

576
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>talks about how he says here those who say that

577
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>they'll die first and then they'll rise are wrong. If

578
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.319
<v Speaker 2>they don't first receive the resurrection while they're living, they

579
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.519
<v Speaker 2>won't receive anything when they die. So the idea of

580
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:42.240
<v Speaker 2>the gnosticism is about gaining the knowledge of death. So

581
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 2>the resurrection wasn't literal. It was that we all need

582
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.640
<v Speaker 2>to die and be reborn, and the ideas through these drugs,

583
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:51.119
<v Speaker 2>which kind of makes sense in a way, because Jesus said,

584
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 2>I am bread, Eat me bread, being a yuse, being

585
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 2>a fungish, I am wine, drink me intoxications that he

586
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>was welcoming us to eat and drink as him, and

587
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.759
<v Speaker 2>so that's kind of the the concept behind that that

588
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 2>it's all allegory.

589
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Another reason that stood out for me is because my

590
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>very last psychedelic experience, the most profound experience I've ever had,

591
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>led me to my current you could say, relationship with Christ.

592
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>It was a very much near death experience in my perspective,

593
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>that brought me to a physical outcome during the experience

594
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.199
<v Speaker 1>that couldn't be denied. It actually brought me to a

595
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.159
<v Speaker 1>preacher's house. I'm not going to get into the full story,

596
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a very long story, but it was so profound

597
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that I could not deny at least the power of

598
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the Christ archetype.

599
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.639
<v Speaker 2>After that experience, Matt's first of all, I would love

600
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.159
<v Speaker 2>to hear that story at some points.

601
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.519
<v Speaker 1>But it's on one of my episodes.

602
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Also, ye send that to me because that sounds great.

603
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:03.639
<v Speaker 2>But you were literally one hundred percent applying yourself to

604
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:08.159
<v Speaker 2>the Gnostic process. You were, you were exactly you're achieving

605
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 2>what these Gnostic scriptures asking us to achieve. So I

606
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 2>think that's that's a beautiful thing. Man, however you get there.

607
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:20.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, anything else relating to psychedelic Christ before we

608
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.519
<v Speaker 1>move on from that, I mean, the.

609
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 2>One thing I just wanted to say was that John

610
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 2>m Legro one of the reasons why I think his

611
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 2>theory was kind of lost a bit is because he

612
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.559
<v Speaker 2>actually also went further that the Celts were not only

613
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.840
<v Speaker 2>drug related, but they were massively about fertility. So he

614
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>was basically composing that Jesus was doing these mass orgies

615
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 2>or that the Christians were just basically a Celt of

616
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>mass auguries drug taking. And he would say things like

617
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the cross is quite phallic, and the mushroom is quite phallic,

618
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>and these types of things are why the guy lost

619
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:51.679
<v Speaker 2>his job.

620
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, I can see that, I could see that.

621
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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move on to Jesus is already here

622
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 1>and he is AI. Let's get into it.

623
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this one is close to my heart because I

624
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.440
<v Speaker 2>have a I'm a creative obviously I'm a writer, but

625
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 2>I also do a lot of art stuff, So AI

626
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:17.119
<v Speaker 2>is a tricky one for me. It's really kind of

627
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 2>messed the industry. But what I like about this chapter

628
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>is I do see people kind of writing about similar

629
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff because it's such a new idea. The theories in

630
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.559
<v Speaker 2>my book are much more fresh and I think more independent.

631
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the other theories I kind of repurposed

632
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.639
<v Speaker 2>and rewrote and put my swing touch on it, but

633
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 2>this one is pretty much all me but the main

634
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:39.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can go into many many aspects, but

635
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I think when we talk about the Bible and we

636
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:44.679
<v Speaker 2>talk about conspiracy theories, generally they go hand in hand

637
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:46.679
<v Speaker 2>with the Book of Revelation. It's always about the Book

638
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>of Revelation. The number of the Beast is always tied

639
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 2>into this, and there's always really fascinating ways that people

640
00:36:54.280 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 2>have used this apocalyptic prediction text to tie into other

641
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>ways that the world might end. But I find the

642
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.960
<v Speaker 2>AI one is stronger than the other ones that I've

643
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 2>come across. First of all, it talks about a beast

644
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:16.519
<v Speaker 2>that will arise builth from from like amalgamation of contents.

645
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>It talks about like a leopard and a band of

646
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 2>line and dragon with seven heads, keeping in mind that

647
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.239
<v Speaker 2>there's seven tech companies Alphabet, Amazon and Apple, Meta, Microsoft,

648
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Navidia and Tesla or the main ones. One of the

649
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.000
<v Speaker 2>monster's heads is supposed to have a wound over here,

650
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.719
<v Speaker 2>which kind of could be allusion to Elil Musk's neuralink.

651
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.039
<v Speaker 2>But that's that's that's barely any of It's one of

652
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 2>the main main things that they say of this beast

653
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 2>that is going to rise is that it's going to

654
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 2>deceive us. It's going to see the inhabitants of the earth.

655
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:50.480
<v Speaker 2>And if you look at AI, what is it doing.

656
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>You can't trust photos anymore, there's deep face. These chatbots

657
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 2>are just pandering to you, telling you what you want

658
00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>to hear, and it's all very much fake information that

659
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 2>you can't trust anything anymore. And it talks about how

660
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.239
<v Speaker 2>people wouldn't care. People don't care if you can trust

661
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 2>it or not. They just really really enjoy it. And

662
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>then what so then what event? What revelation says and

663
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 2>the merchants of earth sore, weep and mourn for no

664
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>one buys their merchandise anymore. So that's industries being completely

665
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 2>taken over and cut off and people and a lot

666
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 2>of a lot of industries are losing money because of AI. Yeah,

667
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and of course, of course that them. And he goes

668
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>straight to the billionaires and the CEOs, which Jesus warned against.

669
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 2>He was always warning against these people that worship money.

670
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.159
<v Speaker 2>You can't serve both garden money, he said. But I

671
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.320
<v Speaker 2>think the most to me, the most potent thing was

672
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>that AI data centers. You know, they're talking about five

673
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.760
<v Speaker 2>million gallons gallons of water per day. It's just the

674
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:53.880
<v Speaker 2>type of water that these these data centers require. And

675
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 2>if you look at what the Bibles with their revelations, says,

676
00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:58.960
<v Speaker 2>a third of the waters turned bitter and many people

677
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.440
<v Speaker 2>died from the waters. Now that are these people that

678
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 2>can't drink from their faucets anymore because the data setters

679
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that have poisoned the water. It says great rivers dried

680
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>up to prepare the way for kings. So it's like

681
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 2>the rivers are going to dry up to prepare the

682
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 2>wave for the millionaire kings, which are like the kings

683
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.480
<v Speaker 2>of today really, and the rivers and springs of water

684
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.440
<v Speaker 2>became blood. So these kind of you know, it's really

685
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:24.079
<v Speaker 2>just warns, well the deceits that the lines that we

686
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 2>see and the water use is going to be crazy.

687
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:28.920
<v Speaker 2>But it even says it's like, why would we let

688
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.519
<v Speaker 2>this happen? The Bible says the whole earth marveled and

689
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 2>followed the beast because it looks soft like a lamb,

690
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 2>but it speaks like a dragon. Yeah. So there's a

691
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.559
<v Speaker 2>lots of little other things. Yeah, but it just seems

692
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:43.599
<v Speaker 2>like you can definitely look at it through that lens.

693
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 1>You also asked the question, if humanity creates something more

694
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>intelligent than itself, have we effectively created God? And I

695
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:56.719
<v Speaker 1>always say that if God created us based on a

696
00:39:56.840 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 1>perfect divine foundation, and and us as humans are extremely flawed,

697
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>shit shows most of the time, and we create life,

698
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:11.679
<v Speaker 1>what does that reflection end up looking like when it

699
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.760
<v Speaker 1>comes to growth and fruition.

700
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I lose sleep over these types of things, man.

701
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I find it very scary. I mean, I mean, AI

702
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 2>is incredibly useful, and no one's denying ads, and there's

703
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 2>definitely beautiful things about you know, some of the medical

704
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:31.559
<v Speaker 2>breakthroughs and AI I think are incredible. But yeah, for

705
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the most part, I just I worry about the environmental impact.

706
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I worry about There's just so many people, even I

707
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.920
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of graphic designer friends that are just

708
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 2>out of work, you know.

709
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, We're in a very interesting time. I think

710
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:51.039
<v Speaker 1>we have some big decisions to make as humanity about

711
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.519
<v Speaker 1>what we want to give our energy and attention to.

712
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think it should be AI. At least

713
00:40:56.360 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the direction that it's headed now has very strong potential

714
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 1>for a negative impact. To say the least, I not.

715
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've I have very few things have scared

716
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>me in my life, and I think AI is the

717
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 2>first time that I really just it was such an

718
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:16.519
<v Speaker 2>immediate and undeniable impact, and so it just feels at

719
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the tip of the iceberg. Man, We've only just entered

720
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 2>the roller coaster. And I think, yeah, it makes me

721
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:23.760
<v Speaker 2>very nervous. What makes me nervous most of all is

722
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.159
<v Speaker 2>just the people in control of it. It's not so

723
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:28.840
<v Speaker 2>much what it does. But I don't trust these these

724
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>massive billion CEOs with in control of this kind of technology. Man,

725
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 2>it's terrifying. One the wrong.

726
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into Jesus's missing years. This has always fascinated me,

727
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the possibilities that there may be some kind of documentation

728
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 1>out there that suggests he was traveling the world and

729
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 1>learning these mystery traditions.

730
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Speaker 2>M yeah, that's well, I guess I think probably of

731
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 2>all these things, that might be the oldest one that's

732
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>got to be because it's always been. The Church has

733
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 2>never really given the explanation for it. They've kind of

734
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.199
<v Speaker 2>just said, well, while he was working with his dad

735
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:15.800
<v Speaker 2>doing carpentry. But there's not a single shred of actual documentation.

736
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean there is. There has been a lot of

737
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 2>things that have been written kind of almost like a

738
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:25.599
<v Speaker 2>fan fictions about that. But yeah, the in the book,

739
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:30.239
<v Speaker 2>I kind of cover a few options, but they generally

740
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.280
<v Speaker 2>go towards a lot of them kind of suggest that

741
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.320
<v Speaker 2>he went east, either to India or even to Japan.

742
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 2>But I think the Indian one, Yeah, Japan was a

743
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.320
<v Speaker 2>weird one. Yeah, the documentation is it's so fascinating and

744
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:48.119
<v Speaker 2>also so blatantly fabricated. No one has any belief in that,

745
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>but the one in India, there's many books written about that.

746
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.320
<v Speaker 2>They really do believe that there was a good chance

747
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.239
<v Speaker 2>that he was there makes sense in a lot of

748
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:59.239
<v Speaker 2>ways because his teachings, as we said, very revolutionary, but

749
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.320
<v Speaker 2>very He's not I wouldn't you know. They're not Buddhists,

750
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 2>but they were not far off. Buddha was a very passive,

751
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.039
<v Speaker 2>non violent type of preacher. Jesus came with a similar

752
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>message which was very contrary to the to the environment

753
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:16.199
<v Speaker 2>that he was in. So that's kind of I guess

754
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 2>the basis of of that exact theory was, like how

755
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.360
<v Speaker 2>his his philosophy's just seemed a little more Eastern than

756
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the paganistic Romans or the Jewish traditions. But yeah, there

757
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.760
<v Speaker 2>was a guy and I forgot his name, unfortunately, but

758
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.039
<v Speaker 2>he claims that he found the temple and that they

759
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>have they he found the documentation that kind of proved

760
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.360
<v Speaker 2>that Jesus spent some time in India. But there's a Yeah,

761
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.800
<v Speaker 2>there's another one as well, which is quite famous. I'm

762
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 2>currently in the UK and just the other day I

763
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.800
<v Speaker 2>went to Glastonbury and there's I'd never been there to

764
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.599
<v Speaker 2>the not to the festival, but to the town. It's crazy, man,

765
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 2>because it's like it's this mix of pagan druid culture

766
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>with this very ancient a lot of conspiracy theories around Christianity.

767
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.199
<v Speaker 2>So the tourism there, it's like you're going to have

768
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.079
<v Speaker 2>like crystals and Mother Mary right next to each other,

769
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.079
<v Speaker 2>like Tara readings with like a big Jesus image. Just

770
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.800
<v Speaker 2>really this mishmash of this kind of paganistic English culture. Yeah,

771
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.000
<v Speaker 2>it is is really cool, But there was One of

772
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.360
<v Speaker 2>the stories was that him and his uncle went and

773
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:29.599
<v Speaker 2>sold tin in Glastonbury and then his uncle afterwards went

774
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:33.199
<v Speaker 2>there to build the first church ever and that's where

775
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:36.280
<v Speaker 2>the Holy Grail kind of comes from. That he bought

776
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 2>the Codly Grail. I believe that that was just typical

777
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Britishness trying to claim a bit of the story for

778
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 2>their own. That is my theory completely, because that's what

779
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.760
<v Speaker 2>the British do. You got to take a little slice.

780
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 2>That's great.

781
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Any thoughts are research done about the possibility of Christ's

782
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>tomb being in Japan? I've heard this one.

783
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, that's the that's that's the other one. So

784
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.599
<v Speaker 2>there's a guy could and again I'm bad with pronunciation.

785
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's good. Takeshi and he claimed that he

786
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.159
<v Speaker 2>found these documents that not only put Christ there, but

787
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like Muhammad was there, Moses was

788
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:17.079
<v Speaker 2>there everywhere, that that that basically Japan was the center

789
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 2>of human creation, and that the kind of emperors at

790
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 2>the time were basically deities. But yeah, I called Shingo Village,

791
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:28.760
<v Speaker 2>but they basically yeah, so they've they've they kind of

792
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:33.519
<v Speaker 2>those documents were lost unfortunately in World War two, uh so,

793
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and and they were never taking seriously from the beginning.

794
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.840
<v Speaker 2>But because then I think it was like lonely Planet,

795
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:40.920
<v Speaker 2>if I'm not mistaken, kind of did a did a

796
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.960
<v Speaker 2>special on it, and then the tourism started to go

797
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 2>there all the time, so then they this whole village

798
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:49.960
<v Speaker 2>just transformed into this Jesus theme park. And there there

799
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 2>is a mound where there's a there's a cross on it,

800
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 2>and they claim they have a bit of his hair there.

801
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.480
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they say that he lived there until it

802
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.760
<v Speaker 2>was one hundred and six because he escaped crucifixion and

803
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:01.159
<v Speaker 2>went there and and that then when it was one

804
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 2>hundred and six, and yeah, and there's like a there's

805
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.599
<v Speaker 2>like a museum there claiming that that that that that's

806
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>the case, and there's like a it's like there's even

807
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 2>like a like almost like a quickie mart type of supermarket.

808
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 2>That's all Jesus, Theamed biscuits and Jesus Theamed rice and

809
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and and uh Jerusalem Israel. They they actually recognize that

810
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.480
<v Speaker 2>they send her. They sent a stone there a part

811
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.119
<v Speaker 2>of like the Jerusalem. There's a Jerusalem stone that that's

812
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:28.480
<v Speaker 2>there as a gift. So it's it's gone out of

813
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.679
<v Speaker 2>control of anything. But I really want to go. I

814
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>just want to go check that. So interesting. Yeah, really weird.

815
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:41.079
<v Speaker 2>But there's like zero chance, man, like there's there's like

816
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>not there's even today there's very little Christian influence in

817
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 2>that country. Yeah.

818
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of the theories that you say may even

819
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 1>be connected with this, it's often is is the possibility

820
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 1>that Jesus was married with children and he has a

821
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.880
<v Speaker 1>bloodline that is carrying on christ bloodline.

822
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Absolute the I mean, I guess that's probably the most

823
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:05.440
<v Speaker 2>famous one thanks to Da Vinci code. That was one

824
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.599
<v Speaker 2>of the big ones. Yeah, you know, I I I

825
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 2>think that's that's a very interesting one. I do cover that,

826
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>but there is there is, Yeah, it's I think there is. Yeah,

827
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.239
<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting one. I think the one thing that

828
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I makes sense about that rather than it being true,

829
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>is that there It would make sense that if that

830
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:31.199
<v Speaker 2>was true, how drastically they would need to suppress it,

831
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.920
<v Speaker 2>because if you were organization organizing a religion that had hierarchy,

832
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.480
<v Speaker 2>that had a pope, that had a bishop, that had

833
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:41.920
<v Speaker 2>you bishops and had priests, and this kind of which

834
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 2>which Rome developed, this kind of Christianity, hierarchy of spirituality,

835
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.920
<v Speaker 2>that would go out the window. If there was descendants

836
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:53.079
<v Speaker 2>of Jesus Christ and the official story, if I if

837
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 2>I remember, if there can be such a thing, is

838
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.320
<v Speaker 2>that it was a daughter that that was that was

839
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 2>initially born, and then that would also you know, one

840
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:06.280
<v Speaker 2>of the big things about the Christianity, not what Christ said,

841
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:10.079
<v Speaker 2>but what what was developed in the Christian religion was

842
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 2>a suppression of females. So that would go out the

843
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.639
<v Speaker 2>window as well, the bloodline the woman. So you know,

844
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.800
<v Speaker 2>the one thing that kind of does it kind of

845
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:20.679
<v Speaker 2>makes sense to me, is that not so much that

846
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 2>that is true. It could be true. I mean, who's

847
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.639
<v Speaker 2>to say. And I do believe that him and Mary

848
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Magdalen might Mary Magdalen was written out the Bible furiously

849
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>she was, but her name has been tainted and they

850
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.920
<v Speaker 2>just did everything they could to remove this woman, and

851
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of non canonical scripture that places

852
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.320
<v Speaker 2>her at the absolute forefront of the disciples, So that

853
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.119
<v Speaker 2>much I can buy into. And so I don't know,

854
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.639
<v Speaker 2>did did did they? Were they in love? And did

855
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 2>they mess around a bit? And you know, who's to say?

856
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I you know, it doesn't seem that far

857
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.119
<v Speaker 2>fetched to me, but and yeah, I definitely agree that

858
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:57.280
<v Speaker 2>if it was the case, there would be a big

859
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:02.159
<v Speaker 2>operation of suppression, but I wouldn't who Who's who's to say?

860
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right on, let's get into the possibility that Jesus

861
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.480
<v Speaker 1>died on the cross but didn't resurrect, his body was

862
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:11.199
<v Speaker 1>just stolen.

863
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, So there's I mean, there's a lot

864
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:21.320
<v Speaker 2>of these about about Jesus about how he wasn't he

865
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't die on the cross, that he just kind of fainted,

866
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 2>And there's ones that he he replaced who was replaced

867
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:31.360
<v Speaker 2>with someone else? But yeah, yeah, these are already good.

868
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:37.679
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the the this is actually what's interesting about

869
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:42.400
<v Speaker 2>this one is that there's a scripture about this about

870
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:46.480
<v Speaker 2>how they they And I'm so sorry, I'm just like

871
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:49.199
<v Speaker 2>double checking my notes. Share. No, it's all good, but

872
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:54.119
<v Speaker 2>there's like there were quite a few anti Christians written

873
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.960
<v Speaker 2>at the time that actually said that they they they

874
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:01.440
<v Speaker 2>did have the body and they paraded it around the

875
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:06.840
<v Speaker 2>streets just to like kind of show that it was yeah,

876
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.039
<v Speaker 2>that that that actually killed him. But the other there's

877
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:14.840
<v Speaker 2>like there's like less dramatic theories. For example, very very

878
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 2>common in those days was that bodies were buried with families.

879
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Some people have said that the body was just removed

880
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to go to go to a proper burial site and

881
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.400
<v Speaker 2>then everyone was like, oh, is an empty tomb or

882
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:31.599
<v Speaker 2>or there was even a theory that there was massive

883
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.679
<v Speaker 2>concern that if they have them in the tomb, it's

884
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna have this have this big pilgrimage effect, so they

885
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.239
<v Speaker 2>just mad, they just removed it. There's even a very

886
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 2>comedic version of this that the gardener was was the

887
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 2>gardener that's that's mentioned the Bible was worried that people

888
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:47.480
<v Speaker 2>were gonna trample his flowers and his carrots and stuff,

889
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.239
<v Speaker 2>so he removed the body. Yeah. So there's just a

890
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>whole whole bunch of these these things. But what's very

891
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:56.159
<v Speaker 2>what's the to me, what's actually this is what's cool

892
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:59.599
<v Speaker 2>about this one is that it is the original conspiracy

893
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:01.159
<v Speaker 2>theory in a way, but it's the other way around

894
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 2>because according to this is and this is in the Bible,

895
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.960
<v Speaker 2>that was the official cause of this because when Jesus's

896
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.079
<v Speaker 2>body went missing, the high priests started to apparently spread

897
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 2>a rumor and said Jesus's body was stolen. It was stolen,

898
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 2>it was stolen, So that was the official word. So

899
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.760
<v Speaker 2>that was almost like the original conspiracy theory. And now

900
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of flipped around. But like the original story

901
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.039
<v Speaker 2>was no, his body was stolen. Now that's become the

902
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.800
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theory, whereas the conspiracy theory was before was he

903
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:34.159
<v Speaker 2>actually came back to life, and now that's become the

904
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.400
<v Speaker 2>official version. So it's kind of this weird flip around

905
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 2>that's happened. But yeah, but apparently the gods, according to

906
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:44.920
<v Speaker 2>the Gospel of Matthew, the gods of the tomb were

907
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:48.239
<v Speaker 2>paid money to spread to spread this rumor that he

908
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:48.960
<v Speaker 2>was stolen.

909
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right on, we'll do a couple of more

910
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and we'll close it out. I've never heard this one.

911
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 1>After Jesus's resurrection, he visited the Americas. Tell us about that.

912
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is completely based on the Latter day Saints

913
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:09.159
<v Speaker 2>and the Book of Mormon. So they believe that Jesus

914
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 2>after his resurrection appeared in multiple places. I believe, but

915
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 2>one of the one of the places was you know what,

916
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:18.119
<v Speaker 2>one of the I got to give credits with credits

917
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 2>due with the Book of Mormon. It was very clever

918
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:25.400
<v Speaker 2>in that it did not specify locations, did not specify dates. Yeah,

919
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.840
<v Speaker 2>so there's no way to really prove or disprove this stuff.

920
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:32.599
<v Speaker 2>But their belief was that, well, according to John's stunt,

921
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 2>John Joseph Smith, he yeah, he's his official account was

922
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:41.960
<v Speaker 2>that yet Jesus that the twelve in the Bible, there's

923
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.719
<v Speaker 2>the twelve Lost Tribes of Israel, and one of one

924
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.719
<v Speaker 2>of those was at that time had had migrated to

925
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 2>South America's so Jesus's resurrection, he actually appeared in different

926
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 2>places around the world to save these lost tribes of Israel,

927
00:52:56.679 --> 00:53:00.360
<v Speaker 2>one of which being South America. And so we appeared

928
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>to these who you are supposed to be the ancestors

929
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.519
<v Speaker 2>of the current indigenous Americans and kind of taught them,

930
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.599
<v Speaker 2>taught them, well, basically I have read it and it's

931
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:17.199
<v Speaker 2>incredibly generic based on the Temple and sorry that the

932
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Sermon on the mount there's a sermon in the Mounts

933
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:21.719
<v Speaker 2>in the Bible where Jesus goes up this hill and

934
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of just like gives like a long long speech

935
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.360
<v Speaker 2>about things that he needs to rectify about the current

936
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.320
<v Speaker 2>belief system. And it's almost like a word for word

937
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.079
<v Speaker 2>copy of that. So this is one of the things.

938
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's nothing about it that's new information, which

939
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:42.159
<v Speaker 2>I find it's difficult about it as well as that,

940
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:44.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, these these things are written so long after

941
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the fact. But yeah, I mean there are millions and

942
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>millions of people who adhere to this this version of Christianity.

943
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.440
<v Speaker 2>So you know, who's to say he's he's obviously got

944
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.000
<v Speaker 2>something right.

945
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:59.039
<v Speaker 1>We briefly touched on this in the beginning. After all

946
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 1>your research and everything that you've looked at, do you

947
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 1>think that Jesus was a real person?

948
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.920
<v Speaker 2>From all of my research, I have to agree with

949
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:14.599
<v Speaker 2>every single major historian in the world that Jesus was

950
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:18.000
<v Speaker 2>a figure who existed at the time that they believe

951
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 2>existed in Jerusalem. That's everything. It's really difficult to find

952
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:26.559
<v Speaker 2>a reputable historian or religious scholar who disagrees with this fact.

953
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:30.159
<v Speaker 2>The issues kind of come with what he actually said,

954
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.800
<v Speaker 2>what he actually did. The details get hazy and we're

955
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:37.320
<v Speaker 2>not sure about that. But the existence of Jesus I

956
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.119
<v Speaker 2>struggle to find anyone to take seriously who denies that. Yeah,

957
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:45.239
<v Speaker 2>but there, yeah, it's there's certain aspects of it. The

958
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:49.480
<v Speaker 2>story that they say is if you were to fabricate

959
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 2>the story, you would never write a crucifixion, you would

960
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:55.639
<v Speaker 2>never kill the prophets, you know, who should shouldn't be

961
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 2>able to be killed. That type of stuff is like,

962
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 2>it does not seem a Bible. And a lot of

963
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:03.079
<v Speaker 2>people say, well, there's not enough documentation, but if you

964
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.679
<v Speaker 2>actually look at it, there's more documentation about Jesus than

965
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 2>any other person of that time in Galilea. There was

966
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.239
<v Speaker 2>not a single other person that is as well documented

967
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:15.639
<v Speaker 2>with as old documents as there are for him. So yeah, yeah,

968
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.199
<v Speaker 2>I think that's his existence is undeniable.

969
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll go over one more, the possibility that Jesus'

970
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:25.159
<v Speaker 1>father was a Roman soldier. Tell us a little about.

971
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.400
<v Speaker 2>This, Yeah, that one. That's also very fascinating and a

972
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:33.119
<v Speaker 2>little bit a little bit brutal. So this is what's

973
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:37.159
<v Speaker 2>interesting about this one is that there is a there's

974
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 2>there's the Hebrew Bible, which is the very same as

975
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the Old Testament, is the most authoritative text in Judaism.

976
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:47.280
<v Speaker 2>The second most authoritative texts is a text called the Talmut,

977
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:50.920
<v Speaker 2>and the Talmut actually talks about this. It says that

978
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Jesus was the son of a guy called Pantira and Panterira.

979
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.000
<v Speaker 2>The story goes, and there's a couple of other documents

980
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:02.440
<v Speaker 2>from the second century that speak of this, this Roman

981
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:07.719
<v Speaker 2>soldier Pantira, who and it's some texts say it was consensual,

982
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:11.960
<v Speaker 2>some say it wasn't consential, but sept with Mary, who

983
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.719
<v Speaker 2>at the time was was very very young by any account,

984
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.800
<v Speaker 2>she was thirteen or or maybe a little bit old

985
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:21.159
<v Speaker 2>or even a little bit younger. And then yeah, then

986
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:25.039
<v Speaker 2>that's and then that was the father. And there's names,

987
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.280
<v Speaker 2>for example in the time which they refer to Jesus

988
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.880
<v Speaker 2>as Binnida, which means bastard, son of a menstruating woman.

989
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:35.679
<v Speaker 2>So it's pretty pretty vicious. And then but here's what's

990
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:40.719
<v Speaker 2>fascinating is that in eighteen fifty nine they found a

991
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:46.000
<v Speaker 2>tombstone of a guy Tiberis Julius abdes Pantira, who was

992
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.000
<v Speaker 2>was a soldier who was born in twenty two BC

993
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.519
<v Speaker 2>in Sidon died forty a d There and a lot

994
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:53.840
<v Speaker 2>of researchers are saying this might be the guy. That

995
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:55.800
<v Speaker 2>might actually be the guy who might have found his grave.

996
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.039
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time there was a ton of

997
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:01.840
<v Speaker 2>theories against it. First of all, that the names used

998
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 2>for Jesus and the Tumult were quite common names at

999
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.679
<v Speaker 2>the time. Yes, you were, for example, so it's no

1000
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 2>actual fact that that's the guy. A lot of the

1001
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:16.280
<v Speaker 2>timeline didn't quite add up. And also Pantera was quite

1002
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>a common names that I find a tumb with Pania

1003
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't really mean anything either. So again it's

1004
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.159
<v Speaker 2>just like people believe what they want to believe.

1005
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Really, I think, well, this is awesome research, man, We're

1006
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to definitely do this again. Are there any

1007
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:35.920
<v Speaker 1>particular theories that you lean in on more than others.

1008
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.719
<v Speaker 2>The one that makes the most sense to the point

1009
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 2>of it, I think it's almost being undeniable, is that

1010
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.519
<v Speaker 2>the unfortunate case with the New Testament was that it

1011
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:49.519
<v Speaker 2>was selected under a Roman rule, so they were very

1012
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:54.760
<v Speaker 2>much selecting the choices of texts that would allow them

1013
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:57.599
<v Speaker 2>to continue the empire and build the empire, and it

1014
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 2>allowed them to take control of Christianity and and declare

1015
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.360
<v Speaker 2>so many other texts like the Gnostics as hearsay. So

1016
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I do believe that the New Testament Scripture

1017
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.760
<v Speaker 2>is incredibly, credibly powerful, and I think it's great choices

1018
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:12.639
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the choices were actually the oldest

1019
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:15.639
<v Speaker 2>written text, so there is something to it. But I

1020
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:20.159
<v Speaker 2>think to trust the Romans with this, who are famously

1021
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.599
<v Speaker 2>known for their conquests. You know, I don't know, you know,

1022
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:27.280
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't they. I think there was some manipulation perhaps,

1023
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:31.159
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think that that ruins the sacredness at all.

1024
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:34.760
<v Speaker 1>This was great. Like I said before, I let you go.

1025
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Let the audience know the best way that they can

1026
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:39.400
<v Speaker 1>pick up your works.

1027
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Great, Thank you, Chris. And so you can find my

1028
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:47.039
<v Speaker 2>website on jard Woods Saved my Life dot com, but

1029
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.079
<v Speaker 2>also on Amazon. So if you just type in Jesus

1030
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.119
<v Speaker 2>was a shape Shifting Alien, it should come up. I mean,

1031
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:53.519
<v Speaker 2>this book just came out, it's it's it's less than

1032
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:56.360
<v Speaker 2>a month old, so this thing's fresh. So yeah, yeah,

1033
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:58.559
<v Speaker 2>so please please do consider getting it. You can also

1034
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.760
<v Speaker 2>follow me on instag at Lego Trips. So like EGO

1035
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Trip with an L L E gt r IP, you'll

1036
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.199
<v Speaker 2>see all my travels there. I go to all these

1037
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:08.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of I just had a whole African trip. The

1038
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:11.519
<v Speaker 2>show went to ten different African countries checking out traditional

1039
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:14.920
<v Speaker 2>African and religious sacred sites. So it's there's a lot

1040
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:16.599
<v Speaker 2>of cool content out there.

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