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Thanks 19 00:01:05.239 --> 00:02:00.519 for listening and enjoy the episode. 20 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:10.960 Are the aspects of they known that you would like 21 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:12.560 to cover in future editions? 22 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:14.319 Loads. 23 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:15.879 Yeah, that's a big question. 24 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:24.039 I'm starting with issue in issue too, we've got we're 25 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:27.800 starting to tickle out a little bit. So I've got 26 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:32.159 I've got something in there about the shadow timeline. 27 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:34.639 Okay, so this this. 28 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:39.080 The shadow timeline is is are we are we currently 29 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:42.159 on a on a different timeline to the one that 30 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.199 we're meant to be on? Has has there been has 31 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.439 there been a shift in reality? 32 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.439 My god, that's so interesting. 33 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:54.639 Disrupted the timeline and we've stewed off into something probably 34 00:02:54.680 --> 00:03:01.080 when they invented extendards. Probably there's there's there's something here 35 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:04.319 that shouldn't be here, and that's probably it. But no, 36 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:09.120 there's there's there's something about that in the in the 37 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:12.919 in the next issue, and i'd quite like And in 38 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:17.199 issue three, I think we've got something which a lot 39 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:21.360 of people forget about but is fascinated me as a kid. 40 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:22.840 Is the Bermuda Triangle. 41 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:24.319 Oh yeah, yes. 42 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.719 God, the amount of things that happen there still to 43 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.919 this day and now it's kind of it's almost a commonplace. 44 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:33.680 They just they just go, yeah, oh, there's another plane 45 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:36.240 just disappearing. Where'd that boat come from? 46 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:36.759 I don't know. 47 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:41.439 There's all sorts of things happen in there, so I'd 48 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:45.039 like to have a good look at that. We've also 49 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:49.879 got the Inn Issue three, a really interesting article I 50 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:55.879 think is interesting anyway about Chernobyl Right, okay, and basically 51 00:03:56.039 --> 00:04:00.800 the the disaster that that happened there, what has happened 52 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.800 since an unexplained phenomenon? 53 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.280 Right, Okay. I was just I thought you were going 54 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:10.439 to come out with them. Oh, what's the point pleasant 55 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:11.120 the math man? 56 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.000 Well, yes, there is a type of Yeah, there's a 57 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:17.160 there's a there is a moth man there. Yeah, that's yeah, 58 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:20.000 and we've got that in the article. But there's lots 59 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:26.759 and lots of other stuff. There's loads of apparitions and orbs, 60 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:33.120 loads of unexplained lights and. 61 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:32.079 And things like that. 62 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:36.399 There's there's possibilities that some of the radiation has reacted 63 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.000 with stuff, that magnetism is different there. 64 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:41.240 There's you know, there's all. 65 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:44.759 Sorts of really interesting skeptical arguments as well. 66 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.639 Yeah, so what sort of things are going on there? 67 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:52.680 Well, there's there are there was a lot of people 68 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:59.600 that died because of that particular disaster, maybe not straight away, 69 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.360 but so since because there was a lot of people 70 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:05.439 that were evacuated, but they were exposed to the highest 71 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:09.040 level of radiation that's ever been recorded on the planet, 72 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:12.600 but over twenty four hours before they removed, and all 73 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:16.439 of them are dead to a person, there's there's nobody left. 74 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:22.600 So there's there's a lot of ghost sightings there. There's 75 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.920 a lot of there's a lot of shadow people. There's 76 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:30.399 a lot of residual energy going on. There's time slips, 77 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:37.040 and especially the closer that you get to the reactor 78 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.800 that that did blow up or the sight of that 79 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:43.120 which is still you know still to this day. There's 80 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:47.079 there's a thousand mile mile exclusion zone around it because 81 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:52.680 and the radiation levels are very very bad, very very toxic. 82 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:57.920 But there's there's obviously people that research in the area 83 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:04.720 and work in the area. They there's reports of light anomalies. 84 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:09.279 So these are these are orbs, large balls of light 85 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:13.199 which then seem to react when people are there, so 86 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:17.399 they're not just it doesn't appear that they're natural. So 87 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:20.240 they're going from point A to point B because the 88 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.879 radiation is tampered with a lay line or something. If 89 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.879 you're there, they they seem to censure there and come 90 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:32.199 towards you. Wow and and in a couple of cases 91 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:36.240 so encircle you. There's a lot of there's so there's 92 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.560 a lot of that happening in different areas. That there's 93 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:43.680 a town nearby that was completely evacuated. That's got that's 94 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:45.639 where this potential mothman is. 95 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:46.879 It's appropriate. 96 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.399 Yeah, yeah, there's quite a few. 97 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.319 Sightings of that over the last twenty years, and there 98 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.160 are lots there are other anomalies and and there's there's 99 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:03.839 there's also potential UFO activity there as well as certainly 100 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:09.199 stuff doesn't seem to act normally. If there are aliens 101 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:11.480 knocking about, they may have visited to have a look. 102 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:15.959 I don't know, but there are certainly as a hotspot Chernobyl, 103 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:22.079 given its tragic circumstances and the fact that also it's 104 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.600 in northern Ukraine, it used to be part of the 105 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.920 USSR at the time, there was a lot of secrecy 106 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:33.040 about it, and also the fact that really even to 107 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:35.680 this day, even that even the truth of what happened 108 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:42.120 is not one hundred percent known. The official explanation for 109 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:47.879 the disaster is part tech failure and part human error, 110 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.639 but there are lots of theories about other ways that 111 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:55.639 that may have happened. In the first place, including well, 112 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:59.959 I think in the official version the reason that it 113 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:04.360 happened is because they conducted a test in live conditions 114 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.279 by switching off the cooling system to see if the 115 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:08.519 reactor would be okay. 116 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:11.439 Yeah, I think it was to test the backup generators. 117 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:16.360 But that official explanation defies logic. I mean, what these 118 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.680 are scientists. You're not going to turn off a cooling 119 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:22.279 system on a reactor to see if it works. It 120 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:27.480 doesn't work on a live nuclear reactor. But whatever happened 121 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:31.759 there happened, and then there's a there's a cause and 122 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:36.759 effect afterwards where it's created lots and lots of new phenomenon, 123 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:42.000 and there wasn't any stories of any phenomenon paranormal phenomenon 124 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:46.799 in the area before the disaster. So as a magazine, 125 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.519 you know, that for me is an interesting thing. It 126 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.960 so it brings in elements of the paranormal or the unknown, 127 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:59.120 but within a modern setting and something which is in 128 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:02.200 recent I mean when that all happened, I was at school. 129 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:04.720 It was it's not, you know. 130 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:06.879 Ancient history. I would like to think it was an. 131 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:12.480 Ancient history, but also you know, we we continue as well. 132 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:17.120 And in issue three, we're going and bringing in We're 133 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:21.960 doing a vampire special, so we want to we want 134 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:25.120 to talk about the origins of vampires. We want to 135 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:31.039 talk about vampire horror in the in the gothic horror context, 136 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:37.960 and uniquely is the vamp scene. The vampire scene in 137 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.120 the UK is actually very strong, and there's several thousand 138 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.200 people who pretty much live their lives as vampires. Apart from, 139 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:49.120 you know, they don't go around, you know, drinking blood 140 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:53.360 from strangers next in that regard, but certainly the aspects 141 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:58.279 of their lifestyle is a kind of offshoot of the 142 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:03.919 Gothic well a fairly extreme offshoot where in some cases 143 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:09.720 people you know, sleeping coffins, they have had their teeth 144 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.759 done so they've got fangs, they drink blood. 145 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:13.919 Really yeah, yeah, yeah. 146 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:15.039 That's a subculture. 147 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:20.399 And I'm interested in understanding that and and and and 148 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:24.240 also giving giving that subculture a look at and a 149 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:27.960 platform without passing any judgment at all. You know, it's 150 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.960 it's it's these people aren't doing you know, anything anyone 151 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:38.440 any harm. There are examples of vampires in legend and 152 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:41.879 in in kind of in reality and or things that 153 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:45.639 could be So the origins of where vampires come from 154 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:49.120 is really interesting, I think so. And then so putting 155 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.720 together a special like over a few pages where we 156 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:58.639 explore the origins, explore the film portrayals, the literary fiction, 157 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:02.240 but also the the real life impact on fans of 158 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:05.799 the genre. Who are who are you know having lifestyle 159 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:06.799 aspects of it? 160 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:07.440 You know? 161 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.559 Is it a mystery? Yeah, it is to me, so 162 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:11.759 I'd like to read about it. 163 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:12.080 Well. 164 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:16.039 We always draw the interview to a close by asking 165 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.679 our guests this following question, and this is always a 166 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.120 great one because it gives us a really good insight 167 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:25.240 to the people that we've interviewed in the past. So, 168 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:29.799 do you have a spooky film or book recommendation or both? 169 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.440 Is there something that stied with you that you would 170 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:36.519 recommend and you know, our listeners and us as well, 171 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:37.720 a book and a film. 172 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:39.840 Definitely, definitely. 173 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:42.320 I mean, I love, I love it all, but I 174 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.159 mean Amateurville horror because I was I was a kid. 175 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.799 It's it's scared me the Bejesus out of me. 176 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:52.440 Instead does Yeah, I can't even think of anything more 177 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.840 scary than that I've ever seen. But I love I'm 178 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.799 just rewatching because I've got loads of spare time, obviously, 179 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:05.919 not just rewatching Supernatural the whole, you know, the whole, 180 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:10.519 Dean and Sam Winchester, you know, fighting demons and stuff. 181 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:12.879 And I used to love Buffy as well, So it's 182 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.759 it's it's it's funny what I what I do. And 183 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:21.559 I completely missed Supernatural really the first time around because 184 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:24.399 I was busy doing other stuff. So but I would 185 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:28.080 really recommend them. Supernatural is absolutely brilliant some of the 186 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.440 some of the plot lines and some of the that 187 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.159 it gives you knowledge of the of some of the 188 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.480 different aspects of the supernatural and the paranormal book wi 189 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:45.440 as well. I love the classics, and I think Mary 190 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:49.200 Shelley's Frankenstein is genius. 191 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:50.440 Also. 192 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.879 Mary Shelley's from my neck of the well, not not 193 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:56.799 where I live. She she's she's buried in in Bournemouth 194 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:01.000 and her Yeah, she she's buried in in a church 195 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:02.480 in Bournemouth Town center. 196 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.519 If you're ever down that way, go and have a look. 197 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.639 Well I did know that, and she was only nineteen 198 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:09.200 when she wrote that. Just amazing. 199 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:10.320 It was interesting. 200 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.080 She's hanging around with Byron and and all of that 201 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.159 sort of stuff at the time. I think that's that's 202 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:21.559 it's really interesting. But the work itself and how how 203 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:25.279 there's so much subcontext to it, and she's really clever 204 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.919 in the way that she writes it. And it's not 205 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:32.600 not just Frankenstein's Monster. It's not called Frankenstein's Monster, and 206 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:36.720 it's not really about Frankenstein's Monster. Yeah, and that clever 207 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.240 give given then what's followed with all of the films 208 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.000 and all of the the the the art that it's 209 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:49.080 inspired and the depictions that is inspired, and but its 210 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:54.480 core themes are probably repeated now in not just in 211 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:57.720 modern literature, but but you know, influences a lot of 212 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:02.440 paranormal and supernatural films that are made. So it's a 213 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:08.480 real piece of work. I also like the Dracula. The 214 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:12.960 bram Stokers Virgin original is another great It's a great 215 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:16.480 reason is it really takes you on a journey, a journey, 216 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:19.200 and you're dipping back in history while you're doing it. 217 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:23.559 So I quite like the original stuff and you can 218 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:28.360 see where it's still influencing people one hundred years later. 219 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:32.080 I mean, you know, I'd love to think that Enigma 220 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:34.679 scene would would be influencing people in a hundred years. 221 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:40.559 Yeah, definitely, it's a good interesting about Mary Shelley. I'm 222 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:44.159 sure it was her husband that had a doppel ganga experience, 223 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:44.639 that's right. 224 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:45.200 Yeah. 225 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.080 Also, it's interesting that you say about how he influences 226 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.759 influences certain people even today, and I do agree with 227 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:55.759 that in the sense of I think Frankenstein he's set 228 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:59.799 out with the best intentions possible, but his judgment and 229 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.399 his aims became clouded, which was which is what made 230 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.279 him the monster in a sense. And it just I 231 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.320 suppose it's a completely different thing. But with business, you 232 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:14.440 look at say someone like Elizabeth Holmes who founded There 233 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:18.879 on Us. She wanted a device to take a drop 234 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.320 of blood that would then identify disease, that could deliver medication, 235 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.240 that could do this, but in the end just became 236 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:26.320 an absolute monster. 237 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.440 Yeah. That's a really interesting parallel, actually, isn't it. Yeah. 238 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.639 I mean there's so many reflections in the modern day 239 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.799 that can go back to those themes that Mary Shelley 240 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:42.440 covered there. In fact, I think I'm going to reread 241 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:43.879 it again because it's so good. 242 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:45.440 I haven't read it for a few years. 243 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:48.120 I think I will as well. Yeah, I can see 244 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.600 it right now looking at me. I might go back 245 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.519 to that. Yeah, frankenste I need to read your book 246 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:56.759 as well, the Time Slip one that sounds fascinating, especially 247 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.240 their little known time set stories. 248 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:02.279 There's what it what the Times that book does is 249 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:05.600 it kind of explains what they are and what what 250 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:06.759 some of the theories are. 251 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.399 So it goes into that side. 252 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:13.679 And stories from history, and then it's got some some 253 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:17.399 accounts in it, some real accounts. But that's that's that's 254 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.960 good that that's on our website or Amazon. 255 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.000 We'll put the link in our shy notes. 256 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:27.759 I've also got this one which is ghostly Accounts and Phenomenon. Again, 257 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:30.519 it's it's pretty much the history of ghosts. So what 258 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:34.000 I've done there is I've got a chapter dedicated to 259 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:39.279 most of the main types of ghosts and then explaining 260 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:44.960 what they are, what their characteristics are, what types of 261 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:50.600 sightings are associated with them, a potted history of that 262 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:54.399 particular ghost phenomenon happening, because most things go right back 263 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:57.919 to Egyptian times and Roman types and things like that. 264 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:04.359 That's also got in probably six or seven or eight 265 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:08.920 of the chapters. I've got untold ghost stories in there, 266 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:16.000 which I've specifically collected over the last again, probably four years, 267 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:21.720 where I've managed to get a story that hasn't been 268 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.640 massively told out there yet and said, well, okay, I'll 269 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:26.319 put it in a book. 270 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:27.359 Don't tell anybody else. 271 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.480 Yeah, we like stories like that, don't we, Steve. I 272 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:32.839 like the unknown stories we try to get. We try 273 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:34.920 to look at a known cases, don't we Steve as 274 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:35.640 much as we can. 275 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:38.279 But yeah, we try our best. We do try our best. 276 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:42.680 But the listeners are instrumental in, you know, helping us 277 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:43.880 do that. They've been great. 278 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:48.359 In the introduction of the latest edition of Enigma zine, 279 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:54.200 you mentioned very briefly about being traumatized by a poltergeist 280 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:56.359 in Yorkshire when you were a child. 281 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.480 What I have done is I've written the account of 282 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:02.880 that and that is an issue too. I shall fill 283 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:06.440 you in with it now. I did have a poltergeist experience, 284 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.319 and before before I tell you about it, what I 285 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:16.319 would say is it scared me. Even looking at Google 286 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:20.079 Maps to look at the pictures of the house from 287 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.240 the outside that it happened in was a bit of 288 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:24.119 a trauma for me. 289 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:28.240 It was probably because it happened so young. But the 290 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:30.160 story is so I'm. 291 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:35.960 Originally from the Northeast, originally from County Durham. When I 292 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:41.160 was a kid, just five years old, my dad died, unfortunately, 293 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:46.000 and because I have had conversations with my father, who 294 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:47.680 I didn't know was dead at the time when I 295 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:48.839 was a kid, because it didn't tell. 296 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.759 Me straight away. Wow, But that's a different story. 297 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.799 My dad died and he died when he was young, 298 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.480 so he's only fifty one. So I've got two older sisters, 299 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:03.839 sixteen and thirteen years older than me. So I was 300 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:05.839 the baby of the family and I was five, so 301 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.839 they had both my sisters. 302 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:10.119 Had moved out, so it was only me and my mother. 303 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:16.279 So for the support and stuff like that, we my 304 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:19.079 mother decided to move to Yorkshire because that's where my 305 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:23.559 sister lived. And it was a little, tiny little village 306 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:29.079 called Clifton, which is fairly close to a town called Edlington, 307 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:35.000 which is next to Doncaster, and so this place, Clifton 308 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:38.359 is kind of in between Doncaster and Rotherham, so it's 309 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:44.000 to the south of Doncaster. Just a square of houses 310 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:48.519 which were council owned in the middle of nowhere, completely 311 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.440 surrounded by countryside and farmland. I think there was a quarry. 312 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:54.680 There was definitely a maggot farm, you know. It was 313 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:57.680 all rural and farmland around it. So the idea was 314 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:01.160 I would move down to go to to start school. 315 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:03.559 My mother would stay up in the Northeast to complete 316 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.599 the sale of the house and then come to Yorkshire 317 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:10.279 where she was buying in the house. So we were 318 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.000 moving relocating, but I was gone first because I've got 319 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.519 to go to school. They actually remember the day that 320 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.240 we got this. So this place is so remote. There's 321 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:21.000 just a few houses that there was no shops or anything. 322 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:24.720 There was a there was a telephone box and a 323 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:28.759 little square and then two or three times a week 324 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:32.440 you would get a green grocer's van would come and 325 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:33.799 you'd get the pop man. 326 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:37.559 Yeah yeah, And it was quite a pleasant sort of area. 327 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.400 There was other kids who lived in the in the 328 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:42.279 in and around the square. There was a couple of 329 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:45.960 dogs opposite. My sister had a nice cat to play with. 330 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:50.680 So it was a dyllic really until the first night 331 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:55.640 that I was put to bed. So this is a 332 00:20:55.720 --> 00:21:01.680 two bedroom house. The two bedrooms upstairs and the small 333 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.839 is this small spare bedroom is at the back of 334 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.680 the house and it was kind of a box room, 335 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:12.440 very very cold in there single glazing, so that it 336 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:14.960 was it was cold, there was kind of felt damp 337 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.680 in there. There was moisture on the on the windows 338 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.000 and stuff like that. Wasn't very pleasant and I didn't 339 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:23.880 like it at all. But anyway, it around about eight 340 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:26.240 o'clock that night I was being put to bed. So 341 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.160 back then, and even to some extent now, I like 342 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:35.160 to draw and paint, and back then it's like coloring 343 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.279 in and drawing and stuff like that, and I would 344 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.000 before going to bed, I would always do things like 345 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.480 drawing and coloring in and stuff like that and then 346 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:48.720 drop off. So and that's what happened on this night, 347 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.119 So I would have I must have dropped off, don't 348 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:53.920 know what time it was. Wouldn't have been massively late, 349 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:58.799 I thought. And then I was woken up by a 350 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:03.799 pressure on my arm, on my left arm, and it 351 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:09.640 was absolutely freezing cold. I mean I felt coldness on me, 352 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.960 like as cold as a freezer. I opened my eyes 353 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:16.559 and the bedside lamp was still on because I'd fallen 354 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:20.119 asleep without switching it off. And everything that I'd been 355 00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:22.519 playing with was flying around the room. 356 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.759 Oh my god, the rulers. 357 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.000 The felt tips, the pens, the book. Most scary of 358 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:33.160 all was a green pair of plastic scissors making a 359 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.079 scissor movement. And it was freezing cold in there, and 360 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:42.240 the curtains were up straight out in the air, and 361 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:46.799 I cried out, but nothing came out, and I felt 362 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.519 more of a pressure on my arm but also on 363 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:52.079 my chest, so I couldn't move, and I couldn't make 364 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:54.680 a sound, couldn't get anything out. And it would have 365 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:58.079 been for a few seconds that everything was swirling around 366 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:01.279 in the air, and then I managed to sort of 367 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:04.680 break free and then shout and I went straight out 368 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:08.039 the room, opened the door, straight out the room across 369 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:13.079 the corridor, and burst into my sister's room. Her husband 370 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:16.440 was on nights night shift, so he wasn't there. She 371 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:21.079 was reading. And the needless to say, that was the 372 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:23.640 last time I went in that back room. I told 373 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.319 her what happened. I'll skip to some time later. Actually 374 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:31.400 i'll skip to many, many many years later. Probably it 375 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:36.119 was probably about ten years ago. I visited my sister 376 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:39.440 at the time still lived in Yorkshire, but in a 377 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:42.400 different place, and I said to her, I said, I said, 378 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:44.640 do you remember that place she lived in in Clifton, 379 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.839 And she went oh God, don't talk about that, honestly, 380 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:51.119 And I said, do you remember I had this. I've 381 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:58.240 got this weird kind of almost dreamlike experience where where 382 00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:02.680 I've there's been things flying around that that back room 383 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:04.920 and I've ran in she said, I said, do you 384 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.519 remember that? And she's gone, yeah, I remember it. I 385 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.359 remember the night you did it. Because you stayed with 386 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.640 us for another two months, and for those two months 387 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:14.640 you were in a little bed at the at the 388 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:17.240 bottom of our bed because you wouldn't go back in there. 389 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:20.359 She got up immediately to go and have a look, 390 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:24.160 and what she what she saw was nothing apart from 391 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:27.119 so she's all nothing flying around, but she saw all 392 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:29.519 of my stuff scattered around the room and it was very, 393 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.559 very cold. But then she went on to tell me 394 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:35.519 of other things that had happened to her in that 395 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:36.480 in that house. 396 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.519 Right the she had. 397 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:43.079 Heard the lounge was the lounge downstairs. She had been 398 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:46.039 in there alone at night a few times, and her 399 00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:50.000 footsteps upstairs in the room that that that this thing 400 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:53.559 had happened to me. The cat wouldn't go in that room. 401 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:56.000