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Speaker 3: in this three o'clock hour talking a little bit with
Speaker 3: Chris Camaranie of the Athletic c K Weekly Chat.
Speaker 2: Appreciates you for stopping by. How are you friend?
Speaker 1: Happy Friday man? How are we doing doing well?
Speaker 2: Doing well?
Speaker 3: Appreciate you for joining us, of course, as you do
Speaker 3: each and every week, a lot to kind of get
Speaker 3: to and cover, But I wanted your thoughts. I know
Speaker 3: you don't cover the NBA, but I'm sure you saw
Speaker 3: the sports world kind of going back and forth on
Speaker 3: the Jazz and the Ace Bailey situation, the agent who
Speaker 3: has been involved with him, and it does have a
Speaker 3: tie in, think with college sports and with NIL because
Speaker 3: this is a guy who's been representing him through that process,
Speaker 3: and Chris, it's an agent who is not licensed and
Speaker 3: not experienced in this field, and it's something I see
Speaker 3: quite a bit of in today's college football world.
Speaker 2: So I wonder.
Speaker 3: How you kind of consumed that news cycle, knowing what
Speaker 3: you do know already on the college side of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, much of the last year I've spent, you know,
Speaker 4: researching and trying to dive into the world of NIL
Speaker 4: agents at the college level, mainly college football, but even
Speaker 4: you're seeing that expand into college basketball, softball, baseball, gymnastics.
Speaker 4: It is a wide ranging kind of area that people
Speaker 4: who passion themselves as agents have been able to kind
Speaker 4: of get their hooks into players and their families, and
Speaker 4: it seems to.
Speaker 1: Be that the Ace Bailey situation is.
Speaker 4: Something that has been percolating, you know, for a while.
Speaker 4: I think there were a lot of reasons why people
Speaker 4: might have had some red flags regarding Ace during the
Speaker 4: pre draft process. And listen, we can you know him
Speaker 4: and haw all we want. I think eventually this will
Speaker 4: die down. As soon as you know, the Jazz get
Speaker 4: Ace in town with Walter Clayton Jr. And the other
Speaker 4: dude they drafted and hold up the jerseys. I think
Speaker 4: it'll be put behind them. But it is an unnecessary
Speaker 4: kind of distraction for a franchise that generally prides itself
Speaker 4: on being fairly low key.
Speaker 1: But that is the business that you choose.
Speaker 4: When you, you know, are are getting into the world
Speaker 4: of drafting high profile players, and this is this is
Speaker 4: not something that happens very often in basketball. We see
Speaker 4: it in football quite a bit when some players are
Speaker 4: trying to maybe steer.
Speaker 1: Where they'd like to go.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's it seems like Ace and his
Speaker 4: family have been steered wrongly by the folks who are
Speaker 4: you know, quote unquote managing his day to day operations.
Speaker 4: But as you saw, you know, the head of the
Speaker 4: agency went on I think with Front Office Sports this
Speaker 4: morning to do some damage control and said Ace is
Speaker 4: stoked to be going to Utah, And Frank Rerek, if
Speaker 4: you're a guy like Ace Bailey who wants to be
Speaker 4: able to put up twenty shots a game, and what
Speaker 4: I think the Jazz and vision him as you know
Speaker 4: early on in his career, you know, Utah probably makes
Speaker 4: sense because if he would have gone to a place
Speaker 4: like Philly or somewhere else, probably not going to get
Speaker 4: as many shots, or the offense won't revolve around you
Speaker 4: the way it probably will when he gets to Utah.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to follow up here with the agent
Speaker 3: stuff because the one thing about the NBA that I
Speaker 3: think kind of helped this situation along, and you know,
Speaker 3: only last a few days, is that, well, you do
Speaker 3: have to have agents that are certified. Ace Bailey has
Speaker 3: a couple of those, and I feel like maybe voices
Speaker 3: who know what they're doing kind of stepped in at
Speaker 3: a certain point and clarified this whole thing. Well, that
Speaker 3: doesn't exist at the college football level yet. Now we
Speaker 3: have a revenue sharing agreement, we have some clarity in
Speaker 3: college sports, but none of it is in the NIL
Speaker 3: and agency space. How muddy is that going to continue
Speaker 3: to get knowing that there's still a lot to figure
Speaker 3: out legally rule whatever the NCAA decides to do as
Speaker 3: far as enforcement goes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this goes back to a topic that
Speaker 4: we've been covering on the show for years now.
Speaker 1: Until there is a.
Speaker 4: You know, a database where people can you know, officially
Speaker 4: become licensed until they register themselves, until they take the
Speaker 4: proper course trainings the same way so many people have to,
Speaker 4: You're going to see folks who fashion themselves as agents
Speaker 4: when they are not necessarily always acting on the best
Speaker 4: interest of the athlete.
Speaker 1: And you know, granted I think that they.
Speaker 4: Are those bad actors are in the minority, But like,
Speaker 4: what what can't go like unnoticed or not talked about
Speaker 4: is the fact that so many of these eight quote
Speaker 4: unquote agents are taking such a high clip from so
Speaker 4: many of these college athletes in the in the NIL
Speaker 4: world because a lot of these athletes don't know what
Speaker 4: the kind of the normal prerequisite take home is for
Speaker 4: an agent. Like a story I did on the World
Speaker 4: of Nil Agent's last spring, like there were guys that
Speaker 4: say they take as much as twenty percent from a
Speaker 4: college athlete, and you know, not everybody is making ajdbants
Speaker 4: money like some guys are making you know, ten thousand,
Speaker 4: five thousand, one hundred thousand, and like, not to say
Speaker 4: that that's not nothing, but you know, twenty percent when
Speaker 4: more often than not, a lot of all these guys
Speaker 4: are doing is facilitating something fairly easy and something that
Speaker 4: you know a lot of people could do.
Speaker 1: It is a world that needs to be regulated.
Speaker 4: And I don't know now that we're entering this new
Speaker 4: you know, realm of revenue sharing and you know, NIL
Speaker 4: will still be part of the conversation because it's going
Speaker 4: to be its own separate entity now away from the school.
Speaker 4: I wonder if the NCAA if they're going to have
Speaker 4: the wherewithal to try to tackle the issues that have
Speaker 4: clearly been you know, rising to the surface at the
Speaker 4: college level the last couple of years.
Speaker 5: And not only that, I've heard of stories of kids
Speaker 5: who have these quote unquote agents in college and they're
Speaker 5: not nfl PA certified guys. So they go to those
Speaker 5: student athletes and they say, hey, let's get into the
Speaker 5: transfer portal. Every single year of their contract that they're
Speaker 5: at college football player, so that they can get that
Speaker 5: twenty percent cut every single year that they make a
Speaker 5: new deal for these guys and kind of just get
Speaker 5: as much out of them as they can while they're
Speaker 5: still their agent in college. Just a crazy world that
Speaker 5: we see, Chris, I want to shift over and talk
Speaker 5: about Sacramento State and what's going on with the PAC
Speaker 5: twelve with them adding Texas State as well.
Speaker 2: What you were able to talk to a.
Speaker 5: Couple of officials there at sax State, So give us
Speaker 5: kind of the background of what they're looking at and
Speaker 5: trying to go FBS Division one football, and then give
Speaker 5: us a little bit of background on what we saw
Speaker 5: with the move to Texas State and the PAC twelve
Speaker 5: reaching out to them and are they connected in any
Speaker 5: sort of way.
Speaker 4: They are and they aren't at the same time, if
Speaker 4: that makes sense. I mean, like you're seeing the Group
Speaker 4: of five level and the PAC twelve is now the
Speaker 4: group of five level. The Mountain West and the PAC twelve,
Speaker 4: the newly minted PAC twelve be the last kind of
Speaker 4: two conferences that are trying to sew up their long
Speaker 4: term plans in the wake of the massive conference realignment
Speaker 4: that started really three years ago and you know, the
Speaker 4: PAC twelve went out and poached the Mountain West Conference
Speaker 4: teams and they're they're planning on adding Texas State, which
Speaker 4: you know is an is an interesting addition considering you know,
Speaker 4: the geographical name of the PAC twelve. But obviously we
Speaker 4: know that means nothing with Callent Stanford being part of
Speaker 4: the Atlantic Coast Conference. Nothing really matters on that front anymore.
Speaker 4: It's just it's who makes the most sense for your
Speaker 4: bottom line. Texas State has been a successful football program
Speaker 4: in recent years at the level that they've been competing at.
Speaker 4: And the tie in with Sacramento State is Sacramento State
Speaker 4: has a very ambitious school president who is a two
Speaker 4: time alumni, who once he was hired a few years ago,
Speaker 4: realized that, in his mind, the most optimal way to
Speaker 4: get Sacramento State on the map nationwide is to increase
Speaker 4: its athletic footprint. And and you know, Sacramento is such
Speaker 4: a fascinating place for a multitude of reasons. You're near
Speaker 4: the Bay Area, but you're not in the Bay Area.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like it like a Salt Lake.
Speaker 1: It's a small, big town.
Speaker 4: It has an NBA team, but they're the biggest media
Speaker 4: market in the country guys without an FBS program, which
Speaker 4: is crazy to think. I mean, they're a top twenty
Speaker 4: media market and they don't have an FBS program. But
Speaker 4: the problem for Sacramento State is the NC DOUBLEA doesn't
Speaker 4: want to green light anybody who isn't part of an
Speaker 4: existing G five or P four conference to join the FBS.
Speaker 4: And Sacramento State has been at the FCS level now
Speaker 4: for thirty years. And the Sacramento State, through its leadership,
Speaker 4: filed a waiver to the nc DOUBA Division one Council
Speaker 4: asking them to make a special exception for them, and
Speaker 4: they want the NC DOUBLEA to believe in all the
Speaker 4: aspirations that they have. They hired Brandon Marion, who is
Speaker 4: one of the top offensive coordinators at the G five
Speaker 4: level last year for UNLB, helping them get to back
Speaker 4: to back Mountains Conference title games. They hired Sacramento Royalty
Speaker 4: and Mike Bibbie. We all know that they were in
Speaker 4: talks with Michael Vick last year before he took the
Speaker 4: Norfolk job. Norfolk State job hired Shack as an unpaid
Speaker 4: volunteer general manager. So it's a very small, obscure school
Speaker 4: that's making moves at a time when if you want
Speaker 4: to be relevant, you kind of have to be loud
Speaker 4: and you have to be kind of braggadocious about what
Speaker 4: you want to do.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately for them.
Speaker 4: Like the NCAA Division one Council denied their waiver requests.
Speaker 4: So twenty twenty five will be there last year in
Speaker 4: the Big Sky Conference, and you know, folks like myself
Speaker 4: and Stuart Mandel and Chris.
Speaker 1: Banini and supported that.
Speaker 4: You know that they've made overtures to the Mountain West
Speaker 4: Conference as a potential you know, late stage addition to
Speaker 4: try to get to the FBS football level starting in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, but as of right now, they don't
Speaker 4: have their you know, ducks in the row, so to speak,
Speaker 4: to be able to achieve the goal that they set.
Speaker 1: Out for themselves.
Speaker 3: So loudly original, Yeah, it seems like you hired a
Speaker 3: bunch of business guys and they recognize the market they're
Speaker 3: in and kind of went all in on making this
Speaker 3: a Division one product with Division one type personalities and
Speaker 3: people at the helm and the the actual practice of
Speaker 3: that takes more time on the academic side than it
Speaker 3: does on the business side, and they're kind of running
Speaker 3: into the complications there. I do wonder, Chris, change in
Speaker 3: college sports, and change in sports in general, is a constant.
Speaker 3: It is something we cannot avoid. It's something that will
Speaker 3: always be part of sports. But in the college sports world,
Speaker 3: it does at least seem like historically there's been peaks
Speaker 3: and valleys there right where you have a bunch of realignment,
Speaker 3: you have a bunch of rule changes, and then there's
Speaker 3: a little catch your breath. It feels normal. It feels
Speaker 3: the same. For a while, we went through the BCS era,
Speaker 3: we went through the the P five era. Those felt
Speaker 3: like eras. Now we're in a moment, Chris, where it
Speaker 3: seems like, regardless of the day, regardless of the week,
Speaker 3: it's just pure chaos. It's waiting on court rulings, it's
Speaker 3: waiting on the next realignment news to drop, It's waiting
Speaker 3: on the next you know, big nil drama or controversy
Speaker 3: to drop. I know that this is not new in
Speaker 3: college sports, but it feels.
Speaker 2: It feels a lot.
Speaker 3: More like this is the normal, and that we aren't
Speaker 3: going to be reverting back to one of those times
Speaker 3: that I mentioned.
Speaker 2: How used to this.
Speaker 4: Are we going to ask you'll, I mean, you'll have
Speaker 4: to get used to it. And it's clearly it's it's
Speaker 4: become cyclical, and I don't know if it's going to
Speaker 4: have I don't know if the cycle is going to
Speaker 4: be broken until the powers that be decide that there
Speaker 4: is a top down power structure and that there's a
Speaker 4: regulated set of rules in place and these are the
Speaker 4: abc D and you know, rules that people need to follow.
Speaker 4: Until then, it's going to be chaos because more often
Speaker 4: than not, the power brokers, the people who can you know,
Speaker 4: swing the haymakers behind the scenes, they have the most
Speaker 4: power and they make the most money, and those it
Speaker 4: doesn't behoove everyone else to have a regulated system when
Speaker 4: the folks that bring in the most money for college athletics,
Speaker 4: the two major power conferences, the SEC and the Big Ten,
Speaker 4: have the ability to kind of sway which direction the
Speaker 4: future of college football especially goes.
Speaker 3: When we zoom in locally Utah BYU, they have had
Speaker 3: different approaches to a lot of the way they go
Speaker 3: after prospects and the way they're recruiting. What is your
Speaker 3: read on where BYU and Utah And we'll get into
Speaker 3: maybe some of the smaller schools that are also dealing
Speaker 3: with realignment and this chaos as well. What does your
Speaker 3: read on on how both UTAH and BYU are handling
Speaker 3: this ca of the off season and where they are
Speaker 3: positioned today, Chris, to capitalize on what we saw last week,
Speaker 3: which is a revenue sharing agreement that is now in
Speaker 3: place twenty point five million dollars directly from the school
Speaker 3: two players. It seems like that will help with some
Speaker 3: of the I guess very baseline, right, your your scholarships,
Speaker 3: your your dodge ram deals, that kind of thing. It's
Speaker 3: all of the other stuff. It's it's the boosters, it's
Speaker 3: the fundraising, the stuff on top of that. How is
Speaker 3: BYU and Utah set up as of today to capitalize
Speaker 3: on that?
Speaker 4: Well, from a pure revenue sharing standpoint, everybody gets the
Speaker 4: same amount. So if you're going to distill it down
Speaker 4: to Utah versus BYU, BYU doesn't have to necessarily explore
Speaker 4: or publicly, you know, explore how they're going to dissect
Speaker 4: everything to the public because they're private institution. Utah, on
Speaker 4: the other hand, does, because you can be able to
Speaker 4: request a Freedom of Information Act or a grammar.
Speaker 1: Request to the school. Because they're a public institution.
Speaker 4: It sounds like based on me reading some press releases
Speaker 4: and stories in local media. You know, Mark Carlin and
Speaker 4: most folks up of the will eventually do that. I
Speaker 4: don't know when that's going to come down, but ultimately, guys,
Speaker 4: this is how athletic departments are going to be judged,
Speaker 4: like a basically on a success level. Like previously it
Speaker 4: was wins and losses. Now it's wins and losses as
Speaker 4: well as how you decide to distribute your twenty point
Speaker 4: five million, how much you're going to give to football, basketball.
Speaker 1: Women's sports, Olympic sports.
Speaker 4: Utah is a very unique school and that you have
Speaker 4: a sport like gymnastics that has been filling its basketball
Speaker 4: center full of fans for you know, decades now, whereas
Speaker 4: the basket of all product hasn't been doing that. So
Speaker 4: how does how does Mark Carlin and his team decide
Speaker 4: to split up a large portion of that twenty point
Speaker 4: five million to a sport that has been a revenue
Speaker 4: generator unlike the previous you know, like the normal revenue
Speaker 4: generated sports at basketball for BYU, it's I would imagine,
Speaker 4: like a lot of I would imagine like every other
Speaker 4: school a lot of it will go to football. But
Speaker 4: BYU is unique in that they've had a lot of
Speaker 4: you know, boosters and donors in the NIL realm be
Speaker 4: able to already make a massive historic impact on the
Speaker 4: basketball side. So if you're Bye, if you're Brian Santiago,
Speaker 4: do you tell those donors please keep donating to the
Speaker 4: basketball team that that way we can find a way
Speaker 4: to you know, relay more money to the football team
Speaker 4: because there's more players, more need there. We're very much
Speaker 4: in the infancy stages of knowing how this will all
Speaker 4: shake out. Uh, you know, from the and their rival
Speaker 4: schools that have a lot in common, but they have
Speaker 4: a lot not in common.
Speaker 1: And the fact that.
Speaker 4: BYU doesn't have to necessarily disclose how they're going to
Speaker 4: go about it might make this conversation a little more
Speaker 4: difficult to really dive into as we move along.
Speaker 5: I'm curious to know a little bit more about the
Speaker 5: contracts that are being signed between schools and these players.
Speaker 2: In terms of revenue sharing agreements and whether.
Speaker 5: Or not there's the availability to go with multiple year
Speaker 5: contracts to keep these guys from just jumping into the
Speaker 5: transfer portal afterwards. And then also in that same space
Speaker 5: if a contract is broken, will we see a school
Speaker 5: go after a player in the court systems and sue
Speaker 5: and it gets really messy after that, Because we've seen
Speaker 5: Wisconsin as they're getting ready and preparing and trying to
Speaker 5: sue Miami for poaching one of their players. I'm curious
Speaker 5: if you've heard anything in that space in terms of
Speaker 5: those contracts and some of the specifics that are going
Speaker 5: on between these players and schools.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard specific regarding anything contract wise, but I
Speaker 4: would assume that, and this is my total assumption, it
Speaker 4: would probably make sense for all parties to go on
Speaker 4: a year by year basis to start, depending on the position,
Speaker 4: depending on the caliber profile player. I don't think the
Speaker 4: revenue sharing system will necessarily immediately change the you know,
Speaker 4: every player is basically a free agent at the start
Speaker 4: of every new season or off season.
Speaker 1: But I could be wrong, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think, like I said, we're very much in the
Speaker 4: infancy stages of learning how all this stuff is going
Speaker 4: to shake out. But I don't think we're out of
Speaker 4: the woods when.
Speaker 1: It comes to.
Speaker 4: You know, schools doing the Spider Man meme at each
Speaker 4: other and pointing at each other.
Speaker 1: And say you did this, No, you did this.
Speaker 4: I think that's going to continue to happen because, again,
Speaker 4: going back to what we were talking about a minute ago,
Speaker 4: there is no regulation in this realm, so people can
Speaker 4: kind of do what they want and build a sleeping
Speaker 4: dog's life. Ultimately, you know, and the MPT Double A
Speaker 4: or whomever is going to be in charge of this
Speaker 4: whole thing has to get their hands around it because this,
Speaker 4: like Quorter mentioned earlier, it just adds a potent another
Speaker 4: potential chapter chaos as we enter this new realm of
Speaker 4: the revenue sharing.
Speaker 3: Well and Chris, we've entered a place where the NC
Speaker 3: double A has lost a lot of credibility. They number one,
Speaker 3: were illegally operating in antitrust, yeah, territory for however long
Speaker 3: when this body, you know, whatever it looks like, comes down,
Speaker 3: that is able to put some organization, some regulations down.
Speaker 3: What does the enforcement look like to all of these
Speaker 3: schools who Now, if you're in the Big ten, if
Speaker 3: you're in the SEC you kind of think you run
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 4: Well, you absolutely do, because it's you know, the first
Speaker 4: rule of the drive, Quorter, the man with the gold
Speaker 4: makes the rules.
Speaker 1: There you go, but he has.
Speaker 4: Nobody has more gold, right, how then those two conferences
Speaker 4: and like, I mean, just look at what happened in
Speaker 4: the last couple of months, Like they're basically driving, you know,
Speaker 4: potential change for them getting more automatic qualifying bids for
Speaker 4: the future playoff system, whether it stays at twelve or
Speaker 4: goes to fourteen or sixteen.
Speaker 1: Like there's no.
Speaker 4: Reason for them to currently want to open up more
Speaker 4: seats at the table to people that they believe to
Speaker 4: be less powerful or less.
Speaker 1: Impactful than they are.
Speaker 4: Granted that that could and I mean it should and
Speaker 4: it could change if you have a power structure in
Speaker 4: place where somebody says these are the rules. You have
Speaker 4: to follow this blueprint or else you're going to be dinged,
Speaker 4: You're going to be fined, You're going to be this,
Speaker 4: that or the other. But until then, these guys are
Speaker 4: calling the shots. And whether people in the past, in
Speaker 4: the Big twelve or in the ACC whether they want
Speaker 4: to be up and arms about it or not, that's
Speaker 4: just the reality everyone faces right now.
Speaker 3: What do you see as the next I don't want
Speaker 3: to say seismic shift, but it does feel like with
Speaker 3: the PAC twelve, the new iteration of the PAC twelve
Speaker 3: with a little less chatter around ACC instability obviously that
Speaker 3: the teams that did join the Big Ten last year,
Speaker 3: it does feel like we're at least pausing on a
Speaker 3: little bit of that news. What do you think happens
Speaker 3: next now that now that we've seen some teams sign
Speaker 3: their contracts for new conferences in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Is it the ACC, is it the Big twelve? Where
Speaker 3: do you see the next big change? And I'll leave
Speaker 3: it to some of the bigger schools and definitely Division one.
Speaker 1: That's a tough question. I mean, if I'm if I'm
Speaker 1: going low.
Speaker 4: Hanging through, I think the easy one is I think
Speaker 4: you'll see a continued playoff expansion.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the first one.
Speaker 4: But when it comes to conference realignment, I think I think,
Speaker 4: like what you said, Port, you'll have a kind of
Speaker 4: aligning low within the next three to four years. And
Speaker 4: then we'll have another, you know, group of schools who
Speaker 4: decide that they want to chase the dollar bills.
Speaker 1: And I don't know who that is. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's.
Speaker 4: You know, some folks in the Big ten wanting to
Speaker 4: offer some schools that they more may be interested in
Speaker 4: the previous cycle or the ACC realizing that it doesn't
Speaker 4: make sense at all to have two teams in the
Speaker 4: Bay Area be part of an Atlantic based conference. Maybe
Speaker 4: they want them to leave and have them join another conference,
Speaker 4: join the PAC twelve or whatever. But I don't I
Speaker 4: honestly don't know what schools could potentially move because I
Speaker 4: don't know how many true power players are out there
Speaker 4: right now for the Big Ten and the SEC to
Speaker 4: really make a move toward like if we're going to
Speaker 4: if we're going to be simple and see like if
Speaker 4: you want to chase the money, Yeah, the SEC could
Speaker 4: go after a school like Texas Tech, which is, you know,
Speaker 4: spending oil money at equip at no other school in
Speaker 4: the conference or in the country can. But beyond a
Speaker 4: school like that, I just don't necessarily see really anybody
Speaker 4: else out there that's going to be that appetizing for
Speaker 4: those two power conferences right now.
Speaker 3: Health of the Big twelve obviously, Utah and BYU have
Speaker 3: found themselves firmly together in this conference for the I'll
Speaker 3: I guess I'll say short term because we just don't
Speaker 3: know going forward, what does the Big twelve partnership with
Speaker 3: both these two schools locally look like long term and
Speaker 3: how healthy do you think that conference is in football
Speaker 3: and basketball and then probably more generically or generally some
Speaker 3: of the some of the other Olympic sports and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Well, I think in basketball it should be fine.
Speaker 4: Men's basketball, it's proven to be one of the best
Speaker 4: conferences in the country.
Speaker 1: Football is a total.
Speaker 4: Coin flip because I think basically Utah thought it was
Speaker 4: leaving the Pac twelve for something different, and it basically
Speaker 4: joined the New York version of the Pac twelve, whereas
Speaker 4: the Big twelve just basically cannibalizes.
Speaker 1: It's up every year.
Speaker 4: And maybe I'm wrong, maybe ASU comes out this year
Speaker 4: improves that they're going to be the dominant program of
Speaker 4: the conference.
Speaker 1: I don't see that see that being the case.
Speaker 4: I just think there is no pre eminent program right
Speaker 4: now that's going to instill fear in the other two conferences,
Speaker 4: even the ACC like I don't think even like a
Speaker 4: Clemson or a Florida State is shaking in their boots
Speaker 4: thinking of the prospect of playing at BYU or Utah
Speaker 4: or Colorado or Kansas State or Iowa State.
Speaker 1: It's just for U t on BYU.
Speaker 4: It makes I'm of the opinion it makes sense for
Speaker 4: you to be in lockstep with your rival and any
Speaker 4: conference that you chieose because it benefits everybody involved. But
Speaker 4: the long term effects of where the Big Twelve is
Speaker 4: going when it comes to our two local schools, who
Speaker 4: knows brett yor Mark has been very bombastic and very
Speaker 4: forward facing saying that, you know, he believes that the
Speaker 4: Big Twelve is going to rival the Big Ten and
Speaker 4: the SEC in the coming years, But I kind of
Speaker 4: have to see it to believe at first, and so
Speaker 4: far I have that seem anything concrete enough for me
Speaker 4: to say, like the Big Twelve is making in road
Speaker 4: in terms of potential, is de throning the two power
Speaker 4: conferences we've been talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as there's this like hegemonic power battle
Speaker 3: going on between SEC Big Ten, we're just gonna have
Speaker 3: to look at everyone else as you know, waiting that
Speaker 3: out and seeing how it unfolds, because obviously, if those
Speaker 3: two leagues expand or turn into something else entirely, you're
Speaker 3: gonna be you know, you're gonna want to be in
Speaker 3: on that ship, regardless of out healthy the Big Twelve is,
Speaker 3: and regardless of how healthy the Big Twelve. Basketball is
Speaker 3: football is kind of seemingly the uh, the decider when
Speaker 3: it comes to this conference stuff.
Speaker 2: C K appreciates your time.
Speaker 3: As always, we'll check with check in with you next week.
Speaker 3: I'm sure catch up with Spence. Let the folks know
Speaker 3: what they can look forward to. Any feature stories, any
Speaker 3: interesting stuff coming up in the Dolgrims of summer.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes there is, but nothing I can tease currently
Speaker 4: because it's very much in the early stages, but definitely
Speaker 4: stuff we'll be talking about Santa.
Speaker 3: Now, did you see that one Trevor Riley had been
Speaker 3: named the GM of a local I guess prep college
Speaker 3: adjacent program here in town.
Speaker 1: I did, I did? I did?
Speaker 4: I need to get in contact with our guy to
Speaker 4: see what that job and what that team entails. It
Speaker 4: seems like there's always a new pop up semi pro
Speaker 4: football program in the state and all I know, everybody
Speaker 4: misses the Stallions, including Trevor, so I'll have to figure
Speaker 4: out what he's doing with this new venture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll that'll be interesting as all conversations with Trevor
Speaker 3: Riley are. Hopefully we'll get him on the.
Speaker 2: Station sometime soon as well.
Speaker 3: It's Chris com Ronnie of The Athletic at Chris com
Speaker 3: Ronnie of course, easy way to find him The Athletic.
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Speaker 1: C K.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 1: Thanks, guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Back on the other side, we have a PGA Tour
Speaker 3: leader board update. Paul Pugmeyer of Utah Golf Radio will
Speaker 3: join the show. We still have a college football and
Speaker 3: college sports at large conversation with our friend Matt Brown
Speaker 3: still to come, of course. Matt Brown of extra Points
Speaker 3: and extra Points dot Com. He is the conversation we
Speaker 3: just had with Chris a little bit on the business side,
Speaker 3: the off the field, off the court side of college sports.
Speaker 3: There's no one better in the business than Matt Brown.
Speaker 3: Maybe Chris Camronnie. Yeah, we got the two best guys
Speaker 3: to talk about it, between Chris of The Athletic and
Speaker 3: Matt of Extra Points