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We are switching gears here 20 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:26.159 in this three o'clock hour talking a little bit with 21 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:31.079 Chris Camaranie of the Athletic c K Weekly Chat. 22 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:33.359 Appreciates you for stopping by. How are you friend? 23 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:36.439 Happy Friday man? How are we doing doing well? 24 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:36.799 Doing well? 25 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:39.799 Appreciate you for joining us, of course, as you do 26 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:44.359 each and every week, a lot to kind of get 27 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.079 to and cover, But I wanted your thoughts. I know 28 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:50.879 you don't cover the NBA, but I'm sure you saw 29 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.599 the sports world kind of going back and forth on 30 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.120 the Jazz and the Ace Bailey situation, the agent who 31 00:01:57.159 --> 00:01:59.439 has been involved with him, and it does have a 32 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.239 tie in, think with college sports and with NIL because 33 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.640 this is a guy who's been representing him through that process, 34 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:09.280 and Chris, it's an agent who is not licensed and 35 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:12.159 not experienced in this field, and it's something I see 36 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.960 quite a bit of in today's college football world. 37 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:16.280 So I wonder. 38 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:20.400 How you kind of consumed that news cycle, knowing what 39 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:23.599 you do know already on the college side of this. 40 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:27.840 Yeah, much of the last year I've spent, you know, 41 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.719 researching and trying to dive into the world of NIL 42 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:35.080 agents at the college level, mainly college football, but even 43 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:41.280 you're seeing that expand into college basketball, softball, baseball, gymnastics. 44 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:48.039 It is a wide ranging kind of area that people 45 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:52.319 who passion themselves as agents have been able to kind 46 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:56.759 of get their hooks into players and their families, and 47 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:57.719 it seems to. 48 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.039 Be that the Ace Bailey situation is. 49 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:04.560 Something that has been percolating, you know, for a while. 50 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:07.800 I think there were a lot of reasons why people 51 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:11.159 might have had some red flags regarding Ace during the 52 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:17.680 pre draft process. And listen, we can you know him 53 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:21.120 and haw all we want. I think eventually this will 54 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:24.360 die down. As soon as you know, the Jazz get 55 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.039 Ace in town with Walter Clayton Jr. And the other 56 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.000 dude they drafted and hold up the jerseys. I think 57 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.479 it'll be put behind them. But it is an unnecessary 58 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.520 kind of distraction for a franchise that generally prides itself 59 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:40.039 on being fairly low key. 60 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:42.520 But that is the business that you choose. 61 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:46.360 When you, you know, are are getting into the world 62 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.520 of drafting high profile players, and this is this is 63 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:53.000 not something that happens very often in basketball. We see 64 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.439 it in football quite a bit when some players are 65 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.039 trying to maybe steer. 66 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:57.680 Where they'd like to go. 67 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:02.479 But yeah, it's it's it seems like Ace and his 68 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:06.680 family have been steered wrongly by the folks who are 69 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:10.400 you know, quote unquote managing his day to day operations. 70 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:13.159 But as you saw, you know, the head of the 71 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.759 agency went on I think with Front Office Sports this 72 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.120 morning to do some damage control and said Ace is 73 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.800 stoked to be going to Utah, And Frank Rerek, if 74 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:24.040 you're a guy like Ace Bailey who wants to be 75 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.319 able to put up twenty shots a game, and what 76 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:28.959 I think the Jazz and vision him as you know 77 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:31.600 early on in his career, you know, Utah probably makes 78 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.360 sense because if he would have gone to a place 79 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:36.160 like Philly or somewhere else, probably not going to get 80 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:38.879 as many shots, or the offense won't revolve around you 81 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.120 the way it probably will when he gets to Utah. 82 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:44.519 Now, I'm going to follow up here with the agent 83 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.160 stuff because the one thing about the NBA that I 84 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:51.199 think kind of helped this situation along, and you know, 85 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.040 only last a few days, is that, well, you do 86 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.600 have to have agents that are certified. Ace Bailey has 87 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:01.160 a couple of those, and I feel like maybe voices 88 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:03.360 who know what they're doing kind of stepped in at 89 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.600 a certain point and clarified this whole thing. Well, that 90 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:09.720 doesn't exist at the college football level yet. Now we 91 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:14.199 have a revenue sharing agreement, we have some clarity in 92 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.199 college sports, but none of it is in the NIL 93 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:21.160 and agency space. How muddy is that going to continue 94 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:23.439 to get knowing that there's still a lot to figure 95 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:28.759 out legally rule whatever the NCAA decides to do as 96 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:29.720 far as enforcement goes. 97 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:32.759 Yeah, I mean this goes back to a topic that 98 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:34.519 we've been covering on the show for years now. 99 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:36.399 Until there is a. 100 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:42.720 You know, a database where people can you know, officially 101 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.480 become licensed until they register themselves, until they take the 102 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.639 proper course trainings the same way so many people have to, 103 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.319 You're going to see folks who fashion themselves as agents 104 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.959 when they are not necessarily always acting on the best 105 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:58.120 interest of the athlete. 106 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:01.160 And you know, granted I think that they. 107 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:05.199 Are those bad actors are in the minority, But like, 108 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:10.800 what what can't go like unnoticed or not talked about 109 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.160 is the fact that so many of these eight quote 110 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:16.360 unquote agents are taking such a high clip from so 111 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.920 many of these college athletes in the in the NIL 112 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.279 world because a lot of these athletes don't know what 113 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:27.040 the kind of the normal prerequisite take home is for 114 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:29.439 an agent. Like a story I did on the World 115 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.519 of Nil Agent's last spring, like there were guys that 116 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.959 say they take as much as twenty percent from a 117 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:40.600 college athlete, and you know, not everybody is making ajdbants 118 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.000 money like some guys are making you know, ten thousand, 119 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.600 five thousand, one hundred thousand, and like, not to say 120 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.120 that that's not nothing, but you know, twenty percent when 121 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:54.040 more often than not, a lot of all these guys 122 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:59.000 are doing is facilitating something fairly easy and something that 123 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:00.439 you know a lot of people could do. 124 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:03.360 It is a world that needs to be regulated. 125 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:06.680 And I don't know now that we're entering this new 126 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.920 you know, realm of revenue sharing and you know, NIL 127 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.439 will still be part of the conversation because it's going 128 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.399 to be its own separate entity now away from the school. 129 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:21.279 I wonder if the NCAA if they're going to have 130 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.959 the wherewithal to try to tackle the issues that have 131 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:29.560 clearly been you know, rising to the surface at the 132 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:31.639 college level the last couple of years. 133 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.279 And not only that, I've heard of stories of kids 134 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.160 who have these quote unquote agents in college and they're 135 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:43.240 not nfl PA certified guys. So they go to those 136 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:47.040 student athletes and they say, hey, let's get into the 137 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:51.279 transfer portal. Every single year of their contract that they're 138 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:53.920 at college football player, so that they can get that 139 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.439 twenty percent cut every single year that they make a 140 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.279 new deal for these guys and kind of just get 141 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:01.079 as much out of them as they can while they're 142 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:04.759 still their agent in college. Just a crazy world that 143 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:07.439 we see, Chris, I want to shift over and talk 144 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:10.519 about Sacramento State and what's going on with the PAC 145 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:13.439 twelve with them adding Texas State as well. 146 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:16.800 What you were able to talk to a. 147 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.279 Couple of officials there at sax State, So give us 148 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:21.399 kind of the background of what they're looking at and 149 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:25.040 trying to go FBS Division one football, and then give 150 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:26.680 us a little bit of background on what we saw 151 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:29.519 with the move to Texas State and the PAC twelve 152 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:31.759 reaching out to them and are they connected in any 153 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:32.360 sort of way. 154 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:36.000 They are and they aren't at the same time, if 155 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:40.200 that makes sense. I mean, like you're seeing the Group 156 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.480 of five level and the PAC twelve is now the 157 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:45.879 group of five level. The Mountain West and the PAC twelve, 158 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:50.240 the newly minted PAC twelve be the last kind of 159 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.600 two conferences that are trying to sew up their long 160 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.279 term plans in the wake of the massive conference realignment 161 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:02.240 that started really three years ago and you know, the 162 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:06.480 PAC twelve went out and poached the Mountain West Conference 163 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:11.840 teams and they're they're planning on adding Texas State, which 164 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:15.440 you know is an is an interesting addition considering you know, 165 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:19.440 the geographical name of the PAC twelve. But obviously we 166 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.639 know that means nothing with Callent Stanford being part of 167 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:25.600 the Atlantic Coast Conference. Nothing really matters on that front anymore. 168 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.559 It's just it's who makes the most sense for your 169 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:32.559 bottom line. Texas State has been a successful football program 170 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.000 in recent years at the level that they've been competing at. 171 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:40.840 And the tie in with Sacramento State is Sacramento State 172 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:46.200 has a very ambitious school president who is a two 173 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.399 time alumni, who once he was hired a few years ago, 174 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:53.639 realized that, in his mind, the most optimal way to 175 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:56.720 get Sacramento State on the map nationwide is to increase 176 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.559 its athletic footprint. And and you know, Sacramento is such 177 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.120 a fascinating place for a multitude of reasons. You're near 178 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:06.960 the Bay Area, but you're not in the Bay Area. 179 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:08.840 It's kind of like it like a Salt Lake. 180 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:10.159 It's a small, big town. 181 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.799 It has an NBA team, but they're the biggest media 182 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.360 market in the country guys without an FBS program, which 183 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:19.200 is crazy to think. I mean, they're a top twenty 184 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.919 media market and they don't have an FBS program. But 185 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:25.639 the problem for Sacramento State is the NC DOUBLEA doesn't 186 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.639 want to green light anybody who isn't part of an 187 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.320 existing G five or P four conference to join the FBS. 188 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.679 And Sacramento State has been at the FCS level now 189 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:39.279 for thirty years. And the Sacramento State, through its leadership, 190 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:42.080 filed a waiver to the nc DOUBA Division one Council 191 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.399 asking them to make a special exception for them, and 192 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:49.519 they want the NC DOUBLEA to believe in all the 193 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:53.480 aspirations that they have. They hired Brandon Marion, who is 194 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.639 one of the top offensive coordinators at the G five 195 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.159 level last year for UNLB, helping them get to back 196 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:03.799 to back Mountains Conference title games. They hired Sacramento Royalty 197 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:06.360 and Mike Bibbie. We all know that they were in 198 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:08.960 talks with Michael Vick last year before he took the 199 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.519 Norfolk job. Norfolk State job hired Shack as an unpaid 200 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.600 volunteer general manager. So it's a very small, obscure school 201 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.799 that's making moves at a time when if you want 202 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:23.679 to be relevant, you kind of have to be loud 203 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:25.759 and you have to be kind of braggadocious about what 204 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:26.399 you want to do. 205 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.240 But unfortunately for them. 206 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.440 Like the NCAA Division one Council denied their waiver requests. 207 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.720 So twenty twenty five will be there last year in 208 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:38.600 the Big Sky Conference, and you know, folks like myself 209 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:39.879 and Stuart Mandel and Chris. 210 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:41.759 Banini and supported that. 211 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.759 You know that they've made overtures to the Mountain West 212 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.919 Conference as a potential you know, late stage addition to 213 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:50.840 try to get to the FBS football level starting in 214 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:53.559 twenty twenty six, but as of right now, they don't 215 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:57.600 have their you know, ducks in the row, so to speak, 216 00:11:57.639 --> 00:11:59.960 to be able to achieve the goal that they set. 217 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:00.600 Out for themselves. 218 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:04.559 So loudly original, Yeah, it seems like you hired a 219 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:08.039 bunch of business guys and they recognize the market they're 220 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:11.679 in and kind of went all in on making this 221 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.519 a Division one product with Division one type personalities and 222 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:23.120 people at the helm and the the actual practice of 223 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:27.399 that takes more time on the academic side than it 224 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:29.279 does on the business side, and they're kind of running 225 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:34.840 into the complications there. I do wonder, Chris, change in 226 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:38.000 college sports, and change in sports in general, is a constant. 227 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:41.320 It is something we cannot avoid. It's something that will 228 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:46.519 always be part of sports. But in the college sports world, 229 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:49.759 it does at least seem like historically there's been peaks 230 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:52.759 and valleys there right where you have a bunch of realignment, 231 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:54.799 you have a bunch of rule changes, and then there's 232 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.759 a little catch your breath. It feels normal. It feels 233 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.240 the same. For a while, we went through the BCS era, 234 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.879 we went through the the P five era. Those felt 235 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:08.679 like eras. Now we're in a moment, Chris, where it 236 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.440 seems like, regardless of the day, regardless of the week, 237 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.840 it's just pure chaos. It's waiting on court rulings, it's 238 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.960 waiting on the next realignment news to drop, It's waiting 239 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:24.679 on the next you know, big nil drama or controversy 240 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.480 to drop. I know that this is not new in 241 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:30.559 college sports, but it feels. 242 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:32.879 It feels a lot. 243 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.399 More like this is the normal, and that we aren't 244 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.720 going to be reverting back to one of those times 245 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:38.519 that I mentioned. 246 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:39.279 How used to this. 247 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:42.200 Are we going to ask you'll, I mean, you'll have 248 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.320 to get used to it. And it's clearly it's it's 249 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:47.080 become cyclical, and I don't know if it's going to 250 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:49.639 have I don't know if the cycle is going to 251 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.360 be broken until the powers that be decide that there 252 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.279 is a top down power structure and that there's a 253 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:58.159 regulated set of rules in place and these are the 254 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.799 abc D and you know, rules that people need to follow. 255 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.279 Until then, it's going to be chaos because more often 256 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:08.720 than not, the power brokers, the people who can you know, 257 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.519 swing the haymakers behind the scenes, they have the most 258 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.720 power and they make the most money, and those it 259 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:20.600 doesn't behoove everyone else to have a regulated system when 260 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:23.399 the folks that bring in the most money for college athletics, 261 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.360 the two major power conferences, the SEC and the Big Ten, 262 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:29.519 have the ability to kind of sway which direction the 263 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:31.519 future of college football especially goes. 264 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:39.200 When we zoom in locally Utah BYU, they have had 265 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:43.240 different approaches to a lot of the way they go 266 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.559 after prospects and the way they're recruiting. What is your 267 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.120 read on where BYU and Utah And we'll get into 268 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:51.960 maybe some of the smaller schools that are also dealing 269 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.720 with realignment and this chaos as well. What does your 270 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:59.600 read on on how both UTAH and BYU are handling 271 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:02.120 this ca of the off season and where they are 272 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:06.720 positioned today, Chris, to capitalize on what we saw last week, 273 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:09.480 which is a revenue sharing agreement that is now in 274 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.039 place twenty point five million dollars directly from the school 275 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:18.440 two players. It seems like that will help with some 276 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:23.720 of the I guess very baseline, right, your your scholarships, 277 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:30.279 your your dodge ram deals, that kind of thing. It's 278 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.200 all of the other stuff. It's it's the boosters, it's 279 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.799 the fundraising, the stuff on top of that. How is 280 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:42.559 BYU and Utah set up as of today to capitalize 281 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:42.840 on that? 282 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:48.639 Well, from a pure revenue sharing standpoint, everybody gets the 283 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.320 same amount. So if you're going to distill it down 284 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:57.600 to Utah versus BYU, BYU doesn't have to necessarily explore 285 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:02.720 or publicly, you know, explore how they're going to dissect 286 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:07.279 everything to the public because they're private institution. Utah, on 287 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.480 the other hand, does, because you can be able to 288 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:13.240 request a Freedom of Information Act or a grammar. 289 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.159 Request to the school. Because they're a public institution. 290 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.320 It sounds like based on me reading some press releases 291 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:20.879 and stories in local media. You know, Mark Carlin and 292 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.279 most folks up of the will eventually do that. I 293 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:25.600 don't know when that's going to come down, but ultimately, guys, 294 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:29.559 this is how athletic departments are going to be judged, 295 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.879 like a basically on a success level. Like previously it 296 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:37.200 was wins and losses. Now it's wins and losses as 297 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:43.600 well as how you decide to distribute your twenty point 298 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.919 five million, how much you're going to give to football, basketball. 299 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:48.679 Women's sports, Olympic sports. 300 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:51.639 Utah is a very unique school and that you have 301 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:56.360 a sport like gymnastics that has been filling its basketball 302 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.600 center full of fans for you know, decades now, whereas 303 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:02.120 the basket of all product hasn't been doing that. So 304 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.079 how does how does Mark Carlin and his team decide 305 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:08.359 to split up a large portion of that twenty point 306 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:11.920 five million to a sport that has been a revenue 307 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:16.000 generator unlike the previous you know, like the normal revenue 308 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:21.079 generated sports at basketball for BYU, it's I would imagine, 309 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.160 like a lot of I would imagine like every other 310 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.839 school a lot of it will go to football. But 311 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:27.960 BYU is unique in that they've had a lot of 312 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:30.759 you know, boosters and donors in the NIL realm be 313 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.599 able to already make a massive historic impact on the 314 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.119 basketball side. So if you're Bye, if you're Brian Santiago, 315 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.759 do you tell those donors please keep donating to the 316 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.160 basketball team that that way we can find a way 317 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.359 to you know, relay more money to the football team 318 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:53.559 because there's more players, more need there. We're very much 319 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:55.960 in the infancy stages of knowing how this will all 320 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:59.559 shake out. Uh, you know, from the and their rival 321 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:02.000 schools that have a lot in common, but they have 322 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:03.359 a lot not in common. 323 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:04.000 And the fact that. 324 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:06.880 BYU doesn't have to necessarily disclose how they're going to 325 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.920 go about it might make this conversation a little more 326 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:12.559 difficult to really dive into as we move along. 327 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:15.559 I'm curious to know a little bit more about the 328 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:20.079 contracts that are being signed between schools and these players. 329 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:22.240 In terms of revenue sharing agreements and whether. 330 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.440 Or not there's the availability to go with multiple year 331 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:27.480 contracts to keep these guys from just jumping into the 332 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:31.599 transfer portal afterwards. And then also in that same space 333 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:36.079 if a contract is broken, will we see a school 334 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:39.880 go after a player in the court systems and sue 335 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.079 and it gets really messy after that, Because we've seen 336 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:46.160 Wisconsin as they're getting ready and preparing and trying to 337 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:49.640 sue Miami for poaching one of their players. I'm curious 338 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:51.880 if you've heard anything in that space in terms of 339 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.319 those contracts and some of the specifics that are going 340 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:55.799 on between these players and schools. 341 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.559 I haven't heard specific regarding anything contract wise, but I 342 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.519 would assume that, and this is my total assumption, it 343 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.000 would probably make sense for all parties to go on 344 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:11.960 a year by year basis to start, depending on the position, 345 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:16.839 depending on the caliber profile player. I don't think the 346 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:22.039 revenue sharing system will necessarily immediately change the you know, 347 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.519 every player is basically a free agent at the start 348 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:26.119 of every new season or off season. 349 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:28.400 But I could be wrong, you know, I don't know. 350 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:30.119 I think, like I said, we're very much in the 351 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.720 infancy stages of learning how all this stuff is going 352 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.279 to shake out. But I don't think we're out of 353 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:37.119 the woods when. 354 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:37.640 It comes to. 355 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.039 You know, schools doing the Spider Man meme at each 356 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:44.079 other and pointing at each other. 357 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:45.640 And say you did this, No, you did this. 358 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.559 I think that's going to continue to happen because, again, 359 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:50.640 going back to what we were talking about a minute ago, 360 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:54.319 there is no regulation in this realm, so people can 361 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:57.440 kind of do what they want and build a sleeping 362 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.880 dog's life. Ultimately, you know, and the MPT Double A 363 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:02.839 or whomever is going to be in charge of this 364 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.720 whole thing has to get their hands around it because this, 365 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:09.079 like Quorter mentioned earlier, it just adds a potent another 366 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:12.559 potential chapter chaos as we enter this new realm of 367 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:13.400 the revenue sharing. 368 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:18.000 Well and Chris, we've entered a place where the NC 369 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:23.119 double A has lost a lot of credibility. They number one, 370 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:29.559 were illegally operating in antitrust, yeah, territory for however long 371 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:34.960 when this body, you know, whatever it looks like, comes down, 372 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:41.160 that is able to put some organization, some regulations down. 373 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:43.519 What does the enforcement look like to all of these 374 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:46.119 schools who Now, if you're in the Big ten, if 375 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:49.119 you're in the SEC you kind of think you run 376 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:49.480 the show. 377 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.359 Well, you absolutely do, because it's you know, the first 378 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.839 rule of the drive, Quorter, the man with the gold 379 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:57.599 makes the rules. 380 00:20:57.880 --> 00:20:58.960 There you go, but he has. 381 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:01.400 Nobody has more gold, right, how then those two conferences 382 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.480 and like, I mean, just look at what happened in 383 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.480 the last couple of months, Like they're basically driving, you know, 384 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:10.799 potential change for them getting more automatic qualifying bids for 385 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:13.960 the future playoff system, whether it stays at twelve or 386 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.359 goes to fourteen or sixteen. 387 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.680 Like there's no. 388 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:22.000 Reason for them to currently want to open up more 389 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.559 seats at the table to people that they believe to 390 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.200 be less powerful or less. 391 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:28.160 Impactful than they are. 392 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.480 Granted that that could and I mean it should and 393 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:33.680 it could change if you have a power structure in 394 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:36.519 place where somebody says these are the rules. You have 395 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:39.200 to follow this blueprint or else you're going to be dinged, 396 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:40.680 You're going to be fined, You're going to be this, 397 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.920 that or the other. But until then, these guys are 398 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:46.160 calling the shots. And whether people in the past, in 399 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.559 the Big twelve or in the ACC whether they want 400 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:50.519 to be up and arms about it or not, that's 401 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:52.519