1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling threads. Okay, I want you to just 2 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:07,120 for a second picture something for me. You're a pilot, right, 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:13,640 a highly trained, incredibly sober military professional. You're flying over 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,440 Vandenberg Air Base, which is one of the most secure 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,920 facilities on the entire planet. 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: Top secret stuff happens there. 7 00:00:19,559 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: Exactly, and you look out and you see something that 8 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:27,440 just it defies every law of aerodynamics you spent your 9 00:00:27,559 --> 00:00:30,559 entire career learning. It's not a saucer, it's not a 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,039 tic tac. It is a giant, red, floating square. 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: And we're not talking about just some box. The report 12 00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:40,799 described a geometric cube the size of a football field. 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: A football field that's one hundred yards of what means metal? 14 00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:45,359 Is it energy? 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: You just hr there silently, and that's the key part. 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,359 Silent and right in the very center. The witness described 17 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:54,159 this distortion, oh weird thing like the air itself was 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,520 warping or what the object was, I don't know, bending 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,200 into itself. 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: That is terrifying. 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: It is absolutely terrifying. And well, you hear a story 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,079 like that and you think, okay, sci fi movie, classified 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:04,799 military tech. 24 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where my mind goes. 25 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,799 Speaker 2: But what if I told you that this red cube 26 00:01:08,879 --> 00:01:12,400 hovering over a modern airbase is in a way the 27 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,840 exact same story as an ancient scroll they found rotting 28 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:18,879 in a clay jar in the Dead Sea, a scroll 29 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,599 that talks about watchers descending from the sky. 30 00:01:21,879 --> 00:01:24,439 Speaker 1: Now that is the premise we are tackling today. It 31 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,359 feels like two completely different genres, you know, sci fi 32 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:30,519 versus ancient fantasy. But we're looking at a stack of 33 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,040 sources today that suggests they might just be chapters in 34 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:33,680 the same book. 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:34,519 Speaker 2: They really might. 36 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,519 Speaker 1: We're pulling from the JR Collection channel, specifically a breakdown 37 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,439 of a podcast featuring Joe Rogan, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, 38 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,439 and a well, a really intense researcher on psychedelics. 39 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: It's a true collision of worlds. You've got the legislative 40 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:52,439 power of the US Congress, You've got the raw, unfiltered 41 00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:55,319 curiosity of the podcasting world, and then you have the 42 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:57,959 hard biochemical data of clinical research. 43 00:01:58,079 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: And they're all pointing at the same, really uncomfortable truth 44 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:04,840 that human history and maybe even human reality itself is 45 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:05,879 being managed. 46 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: Managed is a good word for it. It's curated. 47 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,759 Speaker 1: Managed is maybe a polite way to put it suppressed 48 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,479 might be better. We're talking about books that were literally banned 49 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,800 from the Bible, and on the other hand, files locked 50 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,439 away in a scif deep under the Pentagon. 51 00:02:20,759 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: The same pattern of information control, just separated by two 52 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,240 thousand years. 53 00:02:24,439 --> 00:02:27,039 Speaker 1: So let's pull that first thread. The Book of Enoch. 54 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,520 I grew up going to Sunday School, you know, the 55 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,840 whole thing. I never once heard of this guy. Why 56 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:32,599 was he canceled? 57 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,759 Speaker 2: Canceled is actually a perfect modern term for what happened 58 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:40,479 to Enoch. It really is. To understand why, you have 59 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,400 to look at how the Bible was put together, the cannon, 60 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:47,080 which is, you know, the official list of books. It 61 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:49,080 wasn't just handed down on a cloud. 62 00:02:48,759 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: From on high right. It was a committee meeting. 63 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: It was a series of very long, very contentious committee meetings. 64 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,280 It was selected, it was debated by councils of men, 65 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,080 specifically rabbis and early Church fathers, who had a very 66 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:04,199 very specific theological framework they needed to maintain. 67 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: So they were the editors of what became the most 68 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,080 important book in Western. 69 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: History exactly, and the Book of Enoch. It was a problem, 70 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,439 a big one. It was yanked out as our source 71 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,639 material puts it, And it wasn't some obscure text. It 72 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,599 was widely read in the centuries before christ. It was 73 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,240 even quoted in the New Testament, specifically in the Book 74 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:23,800 of Jude. 75 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Wait, it's quoted in the Bible itself directly. Yeah. 76 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: But eventually the rabbinic authorities and then later the Christian councils, 77 00:03:31,199 --> 00:03:33,840 they decided it just didn't align with the Torah. It 78 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,479 was too wild, it was too psychedelic. As Rogan puts it, 79 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,520 it just didn't fit the neat monotheistic control narrative they 80 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,639 were carefully building. 81 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:46,479 Speaker 1: Because it introduced to any other characters into the story 82 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:47,080 in a way. 83 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:50,759 Speaker 2: Yes, it blurred the lines between you know, God, angels, 84 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,280 and humanity. It got messy. But here is where the 85 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:56,879 story gets really interesting. For centuries, scholars thought maybe this 86 00:03:56,879 --> 00:03:59,159 book was just a rumor, you know, or a forgery 87 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:00,400 from the Middle Ages, some. 88 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,719 Speaker 1: Fan fiction that got out of hand, right, But then in. 89 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: The nineteen forties, a Bedouin shepherd is just messing around. 90 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,680 There's a rock into a cave in a place called Kumaran. 91 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,599 Speaker 1: The Dead Sea Scrolls. 92 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: The single greatest archaeological find of the twentieth century, hands down, 93 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,720 so go into these caves and they find these old 94 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,680 clay jars, and inside those jars are manuscripts that have 95 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,839 been sitting there, perfectly preserved in the dried desert air 96 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,839 for two thousand years. 97 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: And what do they find And. 98 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: Right there, nestled alongside the canonical texts we all know, 99 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:37,199 like the Book of Isaiah. There it is the Book 100 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,519 of Enoch, multiple copies of it. 101 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: So it wasn't fan fiction. It was right there in 102 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:42,000 the official library. 103 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: It was in the VIP section of the library. And 104 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,920 this is the crucial part. Found right next to it 105 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,639 was the Great Isaiah Scroll. Now this scroll is the 106 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:51,959 heavy hitter for validation. 107 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,399 Speaker 1: It's the proof why that one specifically. 108 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: Because before the Dead Sea scrolls, the oldest complete copy 109 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,120 of the Book of Isaiah we had was from the 110 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,920 Middle Ages around one thousand a d. The one they 111 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:05,480 found in the cave was from a thousand years before that. 112 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a millennium of people copying it by hand. 113 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:10,759 You would expect the story to change, right, It's like 114 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,639 that game of Telephone. By the time it gets to 115 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,079 the Middle Ages, you know, the lion shall lay down 116 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,519 with the lamb becomes the cat set on the mat. 117 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,079 Speaker 2: That's what every secular scholar expected. They assumed there would 118 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:26,439 be drift changes, additions, subtractions. But when they unrolled that 119 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,079 ancient scroll and compared the Dead Sea version of Isaiah 120 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,879 with the medieval version from a thousand years later, it 121 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:38,120 was verbatim verbatim. You identical. A few minor spelling variations, 122 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:42,319 maybe a preposition changed here or there, but the semantic meaning, 123 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:45,120 the actual content was one hundred percent preserved. 124 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: How is that even possible? 125 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:49,079 Speaker 2: It tells us that the scribes, the people copying these 126 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:53,240 holy texts, were absolutely obsessive. They treated every single letter 127 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,680 as a sacred object. They had air checking protocols that 128 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,920 would honestly put modern computer code to shame. They count 129 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,120 the letters on a page to make sure the copy 130 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:02,759 was exact. 131 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: Okay, So if they were that careful with the Book 132 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:08,079 of Isaiah, and a book of Enoch was sitting right 133 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,160 next to it in the same jar, preserved by the 134 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:11,920 very same community. 135 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,399 Speaker 2: Then you have to assume the text of the Book 136 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:16,800 of Enarch is also authentic to that time period. It's 137 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,120 not some later forgery. It is what people in the 138 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,319 Second Temple period, the time of Jesus actually believed, and 139 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:29,399 that right there makes the content of the book absolutely terrifying. 140 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: Right because Isaiah is mostly you know, poetry and prophecy 141 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:35,480 enoch is well Rogan called it nets He called it 142 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:38,920 the psychedelic version of the Bible. What actually happens in 143 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:41,600 this book that scared the rabbis so much they had 144 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:42,439 to erase it. 145 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: It details the story of the Watchers. These are described 146 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:48,800 as a class of angelic beings or maybe you know, 147 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:53,120 interdimensional entities whose job was to observe humanity. 148 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: Just watch the celestial babysitters pretty much. 149 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: But they went rogue. The text says they descended to 150 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:02,920 Earth secifically, to a place called Mount Hermann, and they 151 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,439 didn't just watch, They lusted. 152 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,959 Speaker 1: This is the Genesis six story, isn't it. Sons of 153 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,040 God saw the daughters of men that they were fair. 154 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: Yes, But Genesis six gives you the one paragraph summary, 155 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:14,920 nat gives you the full unrated horror movie script. It 156 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:17,839 says two hundred of these Watchers came down, made a 157 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:25,680 pact and took human wives, and they taught humans forbidden technologies, weaponry, metallurgy, cosmetics, sorcery, 158 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,399 things we weren't supposed to know. 159 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: Yet. 160 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,319 Speaker 2: But the real abomination, the thing that broke the. 161 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: World, was the offspring, the nephilum. 162 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:37,759 Speaker 2: The giants, And we aren't talking about you know, NBA 163 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:41,920 players here. The text uses the term three hundred cubits. Now, 164 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,439 depending on your conversion of a cubit that is impossibly large, 165 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,519 like skyscraper. 166 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,519 Speaker 1: Large, that has to be a metaphor. 167 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: It almost has to be. But even if we take 168 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,600 it metaphorically as just massive, it's their behavior that matters. 169 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,199 The text says, they consumed all the acquisitions of men. 170 00:07:57,319 --> 00:07:59,399 Speaker 1: They ate all the food, the entire food supplies. 171 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: They ate the cross, they ate the livestock. And when 172 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,480 the humans couldn't feed them anymore, the Nephelin turned on 173 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:07,879 the humans. Oh no, they started eating people. The book says. 174 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:11,079 They began to sin against birds and beasts and reptiles 175 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:13,439 and fish, and to devour one another's flesh and drink 176 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:13,920 the blood. 177 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: Jeez. That completely changes the story of the Great Flood. 178 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,439 It turns it from a story about God being sort 179 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,759 of petty and angry about human behavior into a story 180 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,560 about planetary sanitation. 181 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,399 Speaker 2: That is exactly the argument that the source makes. If 182 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:31,439 you accept the Book of Enoch, the flood wasn't a 183 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:35,159 punishment for bad behavior like lying or stealing. It was 184 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,759 a biological necessity. The human genome had been corrupted. The 185 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:44,159 entire planetary ecosystem was being destroyed by an invasive species, 186 00:08:44,519 --> 00:08:45,559 these hybrids. 187 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: So God had to hit the reset button. 188 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: He had to wipe the slate clean to save the 189 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,720 planet and what was left of pure, strained humanity from 190 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:54,639 these monsters. 191 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,879 Speaker 1: It sounds like an alien invasion movie. Independent's Day meets 192 00:08:57,919 --> 00:08:59,440 the story of Noah. 193 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: And that's the exact connection that Rogan and Congresswoman Luna 194 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:05,559 make in the podcast. Luna says something really profound in 195 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,399 the transcript. She's a devout Christian, and she says that 196 00:09:08,519 --> 00:09:11,399 acknowledging this acknowledging that there are others, whether you call 197 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,440 them watchers or aliens or interdimensionals, it doesn't disprove God. 198 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: You'd think this would completely break her. 199 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: Worldview, but it doesn't. Instead, she argues, it expands it. 200 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:23,600 If God is infinite, why would he only create us? 201 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,360 Why is it so hard for us to believe that 202 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,639 there are other orders of creation, other beings? The problem 203 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,720 is in God. The problem is our ego. 204 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: Our desire to be the only special kid in the 205 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,440 universe exactly. 206 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: Enoch says, we are just one small part of a 207 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,399 much much messier and much more crowded cosmos. 208 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,399 Speaker 1: The cosmos that apparently includes giant red cubes hovering over California. 209 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,919 Let's pivot to the modern day, because if the ancient 210 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,360 Rabbis were suppressing the Book of Enoch to keep their 211 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:55,480 theology clean and simple, the argument here is that the 212 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:00,399 US government is suppressing UAP data to keep what the 213 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,399 economy stable, the current power dynamic in place, or. 214 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:06,519 Speaker 2: Simply to avoid having to admit that they aren't and 215 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,679 never have been, in complete control. And this is where 216 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,799 we get into the really thrilling threads of modern government secrecy. 217 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,519 We have Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, who sits on the 218 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,240 House Oversight Committee. 219 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: So she's not an outsider. She's elected official with security clearance. 220 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:22,799 Speaker 2: He's on the inside, and she is describing a level 221 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,679 of stone walling from the Pentagon and the intelligence community 222 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,759 that is, well, it's practically criminal. 223 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: She talks about the SCIF for listeners who might not know, 224 00:10:30,639 --> 00:10:32,960 that's a sensitive compartmented information facility. 225 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: It's the Cone of Silence. 226 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a room usually in the basement of the 227 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:40,879 Capitol or the Pentagon. No phones, no electronics, soundproof walls. 228 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,240 It's where the nation's deepest. 229 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: Secrets live, and she describes going in there to get 230 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:51,080 answers on UAPs, specifically after the explosive testimony of David Grush. Now, 231 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,039 Grush is the key to all of this. He's the 232 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,759 high level intelligence officer who came forward under oath to 233 00:10:55,799 --> 00:10:58,960 say we have the craft and we have the bodies. 234 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: He used that term biologics. I remember that, non human biologics. 235 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,519 Speaker 2: Chilling, it really is, and Luna reveals something crucial. Grush 236 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,159 didn't just casually walk into a hearing room and decide 237 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,679 to testify. He faced severe, severe intimidation. She says he 238 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:18,000 received very real threats against his life and his wife's 239 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,480 life before he came forward. 240 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: And that right there, that's the tell, isn't it. If 241 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,200 he was just some crazy guy making up stories about 242 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,799 little green men, you'd ignore him, you'd laugh him out 243 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:28,519 of the room. You don't threaten to kill his wife. 244 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: That is the exact logic that Luna applies. The ferocity 245 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,279 of the reaction validates the authenticity of the claim. If 246 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,159 there was nothing to hide, there would be no threats, 247 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,480 no coordinated smear campaign to destroy his reputation the moment 248 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,720 he stepped out of the shadows. But there was. 249 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,399 Speaker 1: And it's not just threats, it's the bureaucracy itself. Luna 250 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:52,480 uses this hilarious meme to describe it, the stork. 251 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: The stork meme, Yeah, I know the one. It's an 252 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:57,639 image of a stork, and every time you try to 253 00:11:57,639 --> 00:11:59,759 touch something, the stork just slaps your hand away. 254 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: Touch that that, she says, is the deep state. Every 255 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,279 time they get close to an answer, don't touch that. 256 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:09,759 Speaker 2: It's a funny image, but the reality is actually terrifying. 257 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,000 You have our elected representatives, people we voted for to 258 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,200 provide oversight, trying to pass the simplest laws, like, hey, FAA, 259 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:19,799 if a commercial pilot sees a UFO, maybe we should 260 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,840 have a non classified way for them to report it. 261 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,360 Here reasonable, you'd think so, She mentions Representative Tim Burchett 262 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,120 trying to pass that exact amendment, just a simple, common 263 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,320 sense reporting structure, and the chairman of the House Intelligence 264 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,159 Committee blocked it. 265 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: He just shut it down. 266 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: Not only did he block it, but he allegedly backed 267 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:40,279 a primary challenger against Birchett in his next election to 268 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,120 try and get him kicked out of office for even asking. 269 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: That is so vindictive. That's not policy, that's a turf war. 270 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: It shows that the secrecy isn't a passive thing. It's 271 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,720 not just an old secret sitting in a file cabinet. 272 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:57,440 It's an active, ongoing operation that requires constant maintenance. Someone 273 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:00,480 is working very very hard right now to keep that 274 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:02,360 red cube out of the public record. 275 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:04,279 Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to that cube for a second, 276 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,559 because the detail in that report was just wild. This 277 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,039 happened at Vandenburg Air Base. 278 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,159 Speaker 2: Yes, and the description from the witness is what sells it. 279 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,879 This wasn't some blurry late in the sky at night. 280 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:17,840 This was daylight or at least very clear visibility. The 281 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,679 object was one hundred yards across the size of a 282 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,440 football field, and the pilot noted that it was completely 283 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:27,159 unstable in terms of how it should behave in the wind. 284 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,360 It should have been wobbling or drifting, but it was 285 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:31,919 perfectly unnaturally still. 286 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:32,919 Speaker 1: So it was defying the wind. 287 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: It was completely ignoring the atmosphere, as if the laws 288 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,159 of physics didn't apply to it. But the center the 289 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,720 pilot described a weird thing in the center, a distortion, 290 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,799 almost like a heat haze or a gravitational. 291 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: Lens, like it was bending space around it. 292 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:52,159 Speaker 2: That's the implication. If you think about the physics required 293 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,639 to keep a square object the size of a stadium 294 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:58,200 hovering silently and motionless, you are talking about a form 295 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,000 of energy manipulation that makes our most advanced nuclear carriers 296 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,080 look like I don't know, steam engines. 297 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: And Luna makes a crucial point, this isn't just about 298 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,799 the fun question of our aliens reel. It's about is 299 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,600 our national security reel. If these things can hover over 300 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,879 a nuclear missile base, which Vandenberg is, and we can't 301 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:19,559 do a single thing about it, that is a profound 302 00:14:19,639 --> 00:14:20,919 national security. 303 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: Crisis, which is what leads her to the whole inherent 304 00:14:23,039 --> 00:14:26,960 contempt discussion. This was fascinating. Luna is digging deep into 305 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,559 the parliamentary rule book, the history of Congress. 306 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was talking about holding the Attorney general in contempt. 307 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: Right, but not just regular contempt. She brought up a 308 00:14:36,159 --> 00:14:39,879 legal mechanism called inherent contempt that hasn't been used since 309 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:42,840 the early nineteen hundreds to try and force the Attorney 310 00:14:42,879 --> 00:14:46,519 General to hand over the audio tapes of President Biden's interview. 311 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: I loved that part of the transcript. She was like, 312 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:51,320 I read the manual, It's amazing what happens when you 313 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,759 actually read the instructions. 314 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:56,279 Speaker 2: It is a savage burn on her colleagues. But inherent 315 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,519 contempt is a wild concept. It's not just a fine 316 00:14:59,559 --> 00:15:02,120 or a slash on the wrist. It allows Congress to 317 00:15:02,159 --> 00:15:05,159 instruct its own police force the sergeant at arms to 318 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,679 physically go and arrest an official who is defying a subpoena. 319 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, does Congress have a jail. 320 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,759 Speaker 2: They do, or at least they used to have a 321 00:15:12,799 --> 00:15:15,519 holding cell in the basement of the Capitol building. The 322 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:18,480 idea is that Congress, as a coequal branch of government, 323 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:22,080 has its own police power to enforce its subpoenas. And 324 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,840 Luna is suggesting that they might need to dust off 325 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,320 the old handcuffs to finally get the truth about these 326 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:28,279 hidden programs. 327 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,039 Speaker 1: Because the other angle here, the one that always explains everything, 328 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,720 is the money. We always have to follow the money always. 329 00:15:34,559 --> 00:15:37,759 Speaker 2: The Pentagon has failed its audit. What is it now 330 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,639 six times in a row? Seven? I lose count. We 331 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:45,480 are talking about literally trillions of dollars in assets and 332 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:47,240 spending that cannot be accounted for. 333 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: Trillions with a T. It's a number that's so big 334 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,559 it doesn't even feel real. 335 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,679 Speaker 2: And the theory, which is a very strong one shared 336 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,840 by many insiders, is that this isn't just incompetence or 337 00:15:57,879 --> 00:16:01,559 sloppy bookkeeping. It's intentional embezzlement on a scale that is 338 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:02,480 hard to comprehend. 339 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:03,639 Speaker 1: So where's the money going. 340 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: It's being siphoned off into what are called unacknowledged special 341 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,039 Access programs or usaps. These are the black budget programs 342 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:14,759 that have zero oversight, no Congress, no President. It's just 343 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:17,679 a handful of private defense contractors in generals running their 344 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,000 own secret space program. 345 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: So they might be building reverse engineered craft or studying 346 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:25,159 the biology these watchers on our dime, and if we, 347 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,399 the people who paid for it, ask about it, they 348 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,600 threaten to kill our families. 349 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:31,679 Speaker 2: That is the accusation, in a nutshell, that a breakaway 350 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,200 civilization has been created, funded by your tax dollars, operating 351 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,399 with technology light years ahead of the public. 352 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: Sector, which weirdly brings us to an even stranger spending 353 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:44,799 habit of the US government. We're talking about hardware, right 354 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,519 nuts and bolts craft, but the sources also discussed the 355 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:53,159 government's deep interest in software, specifically the software of the 356 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,320 human mind, the psychic spies. 357 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,519 Speaker 2: The Stargate program. 358 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:00,559 Speaker 1: This always sounds like pure fiction. If you've ever seen 359 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,200 that movie The Men Who Stare At Goats, you think 360 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,039 the whole thing is just a joke, But the transcript 361 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:09,599 makes it crystal clear. The CIA took this very, very seriously. 362 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,759 Speaker 2: They absolutely did, and this isn't a conspiracy theory. You 363 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,160 can go to the CIA's own reading room website right now. 364 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,480 It's a dot gov website, and you can download the 365 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:22,400 declassified files yourself. They spent millions of dollars investigating a 366 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,960 phenomenon called remote viewing. 367 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: Good define that for the skeptic who's listening right now. 368 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: Remote viewing is a standardized protocol a method of using 369 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,119 the mind to perceive a target. It could be a location, 370 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:36,839 a person, an object that is hidden from your physical 371 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,400 view and separated by a great distance. You give the 372 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,400 viewer nothing but a set of random coordinates, just numbers, 373 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:45,599 and they sit down with a pen and paper and 374 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,240 sketch or describe what is at that location, and. 375 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: They actually like results. It wasn't just you know, squiggles 376 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:51,599 on a page. 377 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: The examples in the source are staggering congress from Maluna 378 00:17:56,039 --> 00:17:59,240 mentions the Coast Guard. Now, the Coast Guard are practical people. 379 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,480 They chased drug runners, they rescue people from sinking boats. 380 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,599 They don't have time for woo wo nonsense. 381 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: Right, they're not into crystals and horoscopes, not at all. 382 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: But they were using the military's remote viewers to get 383 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:13,359 coordinates for drug running ships in the middle of the ocean. 384 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: Just picture that for a second. You're a drug lord. 385 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,160 You've got a stealth boat, you're running silent, no radar signature. 386 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:22,160 You're in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. You think 387 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,519 you're a ghost, and suddenly a Coastguard cutter pulls up 388 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:30,160 right alongside you because some guy in a dark, windowless 389 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,559 room in Maryland closed his eyes and saw you. 390 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: Luna jokes about the weirdo at Langley beaming coordinates to 391 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,079 the Coastguard, but it apparently worked. And then there's the 392 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,680 Hall put Off story. Put Off was one of the 393 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:46,680 lead scientists at SRI International who was running this program 394 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,000 for the CIA. He told Joe Rogan a story about 395 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:52,000 a down Russian craft. 396 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: This is the bomber crash right. 397 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,559 Speaker 2: A Russian strategic bomber. I believe that went down in 398 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:59,119 the remote wilderness of I think it was somewhere in Africa. 399 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,920 The transcript implies a remote jungle area. The Russians couldn't 400 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,119 find their own plane. The US intelligence community gave the 401 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,279 task to the remote viewers. They located the crash site 402 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:11,960 to within a few kilometers. We found their top secret 403 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,920 crash before they did, using nothing but brain power. 404 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: That is an unbelievable strategic advantage. 405 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,799 Speaker 2: And that is why the program existed in the first place. 406 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,480 Rogan makes a really good point. If you are the 407 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:24,400 head of the CIA in the middle of the Cold 408 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,720 War and you hear even a whisper of a rumor 409 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:29,880 that the Soviets are training psychic spies, you have to 410 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,160 spend the money to investigate. You cannot afford a psychic gap. 411 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: It's the logic of the arms race applied to human 412 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,599 consciousness exactly. 413 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: Even if you think it's ninety nine percent garbage, that 414 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:43,000 one percent chance that it's real is a risk you 415 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:44,000 simply cannot take. 416 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: But how does it work, I mean, what's the mechanism? 417 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,480 How does a human brain in Maryland tune into a 418 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:52,559 crashed plane five thousand miles away in a jungle. 419 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: Well. This leads to the telepathy takes discussion in the source. 420 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,119 The idea is all about frequencies. The expert in the 421 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,440 source suggests that the brain is essentially a transceiver. It 422 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:06,039 sends and it receives information, and normally most of us 423 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:08,559 are tuned to the speech frequency. We use words, we 424 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,279 use body language. That's our main channel. 425 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:12,319 Speaker 1: We're on the FM dial of talking exactly. 426 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: But the discussion brings up the strange phenomenon of nonverbal 427 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,079 autistic children. There's this idea sometimes called the autistic tapes 428 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,200 or telepathy tapes, where parents of deeply nonverbal children report 429 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,880 these uncanny, almost unbelievable instances of mind to mind communication, 430 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:29,480 like the. 431 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,319 Speaker 1: Kid knows exactly what the parent is thinking before they 432 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,359 even say a word. 433 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 2: Or the kid reacts to a silent intention. A parent 434 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,720 thinks I should get him a glass of water, and 435 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:41,519 the kid walks over to the sink. The theory is 436 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:45,400 that because the primary verbal channel is blocked or unused 437 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,079 in their brains, the other frequencies are naturally amplified. The 438 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,079 faint telepathic signal isn't drowned out by the constant noise 439 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:53,759 of language. 440 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,079 Speaker 1: It reminds me of that all this Huxley idea, the 441 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,880 reducing galve that our brains aren't designed to let reality in. 442 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,799 They're designed to filter almost all of it out so 443 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,039 we can function without being completely overwhelmed. And if you 444 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:07,960 can find a way to remove that filter. 445 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:10,319 Speaker 2: You get the raw feed, which is the absolute perfect 446 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:13,119 segue to the most effective and most controversial way to 447 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,039 remove that filter, chemistry. 448 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,599 Speaker 1: DMT, the spirit molecule. 449 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:19,039 Speaker 2: This is where the episode takes a really sharp term 450 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,680 away from government policy and into the mechanics of the 451 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,599 soul itself. We are introduced to the researcher. This is 452 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,240 the guy who, against all odds, managed to get the 453 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,079 first government approved DMT study in the United States in decades. 454 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,839 Speaker 1: And the irony is just so rich. This is in 455 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:37,960 the nineteen nineties, the absolute height of the just say 456 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,599 no war on drugs. How on earth did he get 457 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,160 approval to inject people with what's considered the most powerful 458 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,920 psychedelic known to man. 459 00:21:46,279 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: He played the game beautifully. He didn't go to the 460 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:51,920 FDA and say I want to explore the spiritual realm 461 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,160 and meet God. They would have laughed him out of 462 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,480 the building right. He said, this is a dangerous drug 463 00:21:57,519 --> 00:21:59,720 of abuse that is showing up on the streets. We 464 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:02,839 need to study its pathology, We need to understand the threat. 465 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,200 He used the government's own paranoia and fear to get 466 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,279 funding for the very research that would completely undermine their 467 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:10,559 materialist worldview. 468 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:12,799 Speaker 1: The trojan horse for science. I love it. So he 469 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:16,079 gets some money, gets the pharmaceutical grade DMT, and he 470 00:22:16,079 --> 00:22:20,240 starts injecting volunteers. But the dosage they mentioned zero point 471 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,960 four milligrams for kilogram. Can we put that into context 472 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,359 for people? 473 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,519 Speaker 2: It is a massive, massive dose. For our recreational user. 474 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:29,279 A breakthrough dose where you completely lose contact with the 475 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,519 room might be say thirty or forty milligrams total usually 476 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:36,079 smoked for a seventy five kilogram person. This study was 477 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,799 pushing thirty milligrams intravenously. 478 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,839 Speaker 1: So it hits instantly, all at once. 479 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: It's not like smoking it where you can pull back 480 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,519 and some of it burns away. This is a chemical 481 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,559 cannon ball to the center of the brain. 482 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: And the participants were what they were terrified. 483 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:52,079 Speaker 2: They were convinced they had died. The researcher admits that 484 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,200 it was essentially an anesthetic overdose level of the drug, 485 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,039 but instead of going to sleep and waking up later, 486 00:22:58,279 --> 00:23:00,920 they woke up instantly in another place. 487 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: And this is the part that always gets me about 488 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:06,200 DMT stories. It's not like a dream where things are 489 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,079 morphing and surreal and weird. People report that it's hyper real. 490 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,599 Speaker 2: More real than real. That is the phrase you hear 491 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,720 over and over again. The participants reported entering a consistent, stable, 492 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:22,079 freestanding environment. They saw complex machinery, they saw entities. 493 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,319 Speaker 1: Machine elves, the gestures, the classic archetypes, or to. 494 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: Bring this all the way back around, the watchers. The 495 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,279 researcher himself speculates, and this is a medical doctor assigned 496 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:35,559 to speaking, that the prophetic state described in the Bible 497 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,200 might have been a biological event. 498 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: You mean, in dodgenos DMT the stuff our own bodies 499 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:41,599 make exactly. 500 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,519 Speaker 2: We know for a fact the human body produces DMT naturally. 501 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:48,160 It's in our lungs, our liver, and almost certainly in 502 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,400 the brain. The theory is that the incredible visions of Ezekiel, 503 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,599 the wheels within wheels, the eyes or Moses in the 504 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:58,079 burning bush, or the ascent of Enoch to the heavens. 505 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:03,319 These could be spontaneous releases of endogenous dmts. 506 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: So the burning bush wasn't a physical plant that was 507 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,000 on fire outside of Moses. It was a chemical reaction 508 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,920 inside of him. 509 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,039 Speaker 2: Or maybe the chemical reaction is the key that unlocks 510 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:16,559 the door to the dimension where the burning bush actually is. 511 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,079 It's not a hallucination of something that isn't there. It's 512 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:22,759 a change in frequency that allows you to perceive what's 513 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:25,720 always there. Just like the remote viewers tuning into the 514 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,160 rushing crash, the prophet tunes into the divine realm. 515 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: But not all frequencies are good ones. The source material 516 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:35,119 takes a very dark detour here into another chemical scoplin 517 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,839 me devil's breath. Even the name is just heavy. This 518 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,039 comes from the juitur plant or gems and wheat. And 519 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:43,039 this isn't about enlightenment or meeting God. This is about control. 520 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: It is the ultimate zombie drug. It completely wipes out 521 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,440 free will. In places like Columbia, criminals use it for robberies. 522 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,079 They blow the powder in someone's face and that person 523 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,599 will then cheerfully help them empty their own bank account, 524 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,319 smile at the teller, invite them back to their apartment 525 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,200 and help them carry out the TV and they wake up 526 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,160 the next day with zero memory of it. 527 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: It's terrifying. There was a story about a veteran in. 528 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:09,039 Speaker 2: The transcript Haunting Story, a patient at the VA who 529 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:15,039 decided to self medicate. He made a tea from gimson weed, 530 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,119 which contains sepolamine, to try and treat his own psychological issues. 531 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,440 He drank it, wandered out into the desert and went 532 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,559 missing for days, And when he came back, his brain 533 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,839 was fried, permanent cognitive damage. Who wasn't the same person, 534 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,599 but in the process he had somehow cured his lifelong 535 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,519 crippling alcoholism. The neural pathways in his brain that drove 536 00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:38,559 his addiction had been completely scorched, wiped clean. 537 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: That is a terrifying trade off. I will basically lobotomize 538 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:43,240 myself in order to stop drinking. 539 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: It just highlights the sheer raw power of these plant compounds. 540 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,400 They are not toys. They can literally rewrite your brain's 541 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,960 operating system. But what if there was a way to 542 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,960 rewrite the system without the catastrophic brain damage? And that 543 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,160 brings us to Ibogain. 544 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,519 Speaker 1: This feels like hopeful part of the whole discussion. Ibergain 545 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,799 seems like it could be the holy grail for the 546 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:06,119 opioid crisis we're in. 547 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,599 Speaker 2: It really, really does. It comes from the root bark 548 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,079 of an African shrub, the Tabernanthea boga, and the origin 549 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,039 story of its discovery in the West is pure serendipity. 550 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:18,119 A guy named Howard Locksov, who was a heroin addict 551 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,440 in New York in the nineteen sixties, was just looking 552 00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,599 for a new high and new experience. A chemist friend 553 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,680 gave him some ibagain. 554 00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: He just took it for kicks, completely for kicks. 555 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,599 Speaker 2: He had this intense, thirty hour psychedelic trip. But when 556 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:35,880 he finally came down, he realized something was missing. The withdrawal, oh, 557 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,200 the craving, the physical agony of opiate addiction. It was 558 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:40,440 just gone. 559 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:43,039 Speaker 1: And anyone who knows anything about opiate addiction knows that 560 00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,599 the withdrawal, the dope sickness is the hook. It's physical 561 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,319 and mental torture. If you can just skip that. 562 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: It changes the entire game. Lotsaw spent the rest of 563 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,799 his life advocating for this plant. The stats are staggering. 564 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,680 The source mentions an eighty percent success rate for the 565 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,279 interroption of severe addiction after just one treatment eighty percent. 566 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: Compare that to traditional rehab, which is often in the 567 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,200 low single digits for long term success. 568 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: It's not even in the same league. 569 00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: So why isn't this available on every street corner? Why 570 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,160 aren't we pouring money into this? 571 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 2: Because it's a powerful hallucinogen, So it's a schedule eyed 572 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,799 drug in the US, same category as heroin, and you 573 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,200 can't patent a plant roots, so there's no massive pharmaceutical 574 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,640 profit motive. But the mechanism is what's so fascinating. It's 575 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,400 not a replacement drug like methadone, which just keeps you 576 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,960 addicted to something else. Ibogan seems to reset the opiate receptors. 577 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: In the brain, a hardware reset. 578 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,599 Speaker 2: And a software reset. Psychologically, it forces what's called a 579 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,279 life review. 580 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: You have to sit and watch the entire movie of 581 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,119 your life. 582 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,319 Speaker 2: And not just watch it from your own perspective. Users 583 00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:49,519 report experiencing their actions from the perspective of the people 584 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,119 they affected. You have to feel the pain you caused 585 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,079 your family. It's a brutal, objective third person look at 586 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,319 your trauma and your choices. You relive it, you process 587 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,359 it and you leave it there. It's like ten years 588 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,119 of intensive therapy in ten hours. 589 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: That sounds both terrifying and incredibly healing exactly. 590 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 2: And now finally we are seeing some movement. It's being 591 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,880 authorized in places like surprisingly Texas. 592 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, Texas is actually leading the charge on psychedelic research 593 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,119 for veterans. Who would have thought. 594 00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:25,559 Speaker 2: They're approving studies for veterans with PTSD and traumatic brain injury. 595 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,680 It seems the forbidden plants, the ones that have been 596 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:33,079 used by indigenous cultures for millennia, are finally being recognized 597 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,920 by the West as the powerful medicine they always were. 598 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,319 Speaker 1: And this all connects back to that idea of evolution 599 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,799 and where we're going. The source got pretty speculative at 600 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,480 the end, talking about the future of the human species. 601 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: The gray alien theory a. 602 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: Classic the idea that the classic gray alien isn't from 603 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,119 Zeta Reticuli or some other star system. They're from Earth 604 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:55,400 in the year fifty thousand and eight. They're us. 605 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: And if you look at the trajectory of human evolution, 606 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:01,319 it makes a strange kind of biological sense. We know 607 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,319 the human brain has expanded rapidly, it's doubled in fighs 608 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:07,119 over the last two million years. At the same time, 609 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,519 we're getting physically weaker because we rely on machines. Our 610 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,880 jaws are getting smaller because we cook our food. 611 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: So you just project that trend forward a few thousand. 612 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,839 Speaker 2: Generations, a million years from now. What do you get 613 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,039 a huge, bulbous cranium to house a massive, powerful brain, 614 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,039 a tiny atropheed, frail body because machines do all the 615 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:30,240 physical labor, large black eyes to process massive amounts of 616 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:34,480 visual data, and no mouse. Because of the telepathy, if 617 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,200 we develop that universal visual language or some kind of 618 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,240 technological telepathy, the vocal cords become vestigial. They're gone. We 619 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,640 become the grays. We are time traveling, visiting our own past. 620 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: So for neotiny, isn't it containing childlike or feel features 621 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,440 into adulthood? 622 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: Precisely, a gray alien looks very much like a human fetus, 623 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,720 big head, big eyes. It could be the ultimate endpoint 624 00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,359 of our particular evolution sary path. It's a comforting thought 625 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,720 in a strange way. They aren't hostile invaders. There are 626 00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,880 descendants acting as anthropologists. 627 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: Or maybe just tourists come see the primitive noisy barbarians 628 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,160 of the year twenty twenty four exactly. 629 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,319 Speaker 2: Look, they still talk with their mouths. 630 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: Before we wrap this all up, we have to touch 631 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,160 on the geology because the show started with this idea 632 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,559 of ancient myths surreal We covered Enoch at the Watchers, 633 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,160 but the Source also brings up Sodom and Gomorrah. 634 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 2: This is another fantastic intersection of science and scripture. The 635 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,720 Biblical story is the destruction of the cities of the 636 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:35,960 Plain by fire and sulfur raining. 637 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: From the sky, the wrath of God. 638 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,079 Speaker 2: Right, but the researcher and the Source points out that 639 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,400 the Dead Sea region is a major geological fault zone. 640 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,599 It's sitting on top of massive underground pockets of natural 641 00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:48,000 gas and sulfur deposits. 642 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:50,559 Speaker 1: So a big enough earthquake or maybe a small meteor 643 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,920 strike in the right place could rupture those pockets and 644 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,160 set the whole region. 645 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: On fire, and you would have literal balls of burning 646 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,920 sulfur raining from the sky. It would look exactly like 647 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,480 the wrath of God. And geologists have found evidence of 648 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,640 extreme high temperature heat events in the sediment layers in 649 00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:12,160 that exact area from the right time period. It grounds 650 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,000 the Biblical story in plate. 651 00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: Tectonics and the flood. That's the other big one. 652 00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:19,319 Speaker 2: The younger, driest impact theory. This is the work of 653 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,680 people like Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock. The theory is 654 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,440 that a comet or fragments of a comet hit the 655 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,119 North American ice caps about twelve eight hundred years ago, 656 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,319 and the result an almost instantaneous melting event catastrophic global 657 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:38,160 sea level rise megat tsunamis that wash across continents. It 658 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,680 would have been the end of the world for the 659 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,000 civilizations of that time. 660 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,119 Speaker 1: The passengers on an organic spaceship quote was. 661 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: Great Rogan said that, and it's true. We are just 662 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,359 flying through a cosmic shooting gallery. The asteroid belt is 663 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,079 right there. We get hit periodically, we get nearly wiped out. 664 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:55,079 The survivors rebuild, and the stories of the Great Flood, 665 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,000 which exist in hundreds of cultures all over the world, 666 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,160 are the cultural memory of the last time and we 667 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,039 almost went extinct. It makes you feel very, very fragile, 668 00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:06,200 and that fragility is maybe the very reason why the 669 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,160 secret is kept. And this, I think brings us to 670 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,359 the grand synthesis of this whole episode. 671 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: Let's tie all these thrilling threads together. We started with 672 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,079 the Book of Enoch, a text that was banned because 673 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,759 it revealed the uncomfortable truth about the Watchers. 674 00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,839 Speaker 2: Then we jumped to the Red Cube and modern UAPs, 675 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,000 a phenomenon hidden by the Pentagon to conceal the reality 676 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:26,599 of the others. 677 00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: And then we went to DMT, a substance made illegal 678 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,200 because it allows any individual to potentially see these entities 679 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,039 for themselves. 680 00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,599 Speaker 2: Do you see the pattern. It is a singular conspiracy 681 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,960 spanning millennia. It is the conspiracy to maintain the fragile 682 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000 illusion that human beings are the masters of reality. 683 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:48,119 Speaker 1: If the public knew, I really knew that there were 684 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,200 three hundred Cubic giants in our ancient history, that there 685 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,759 are psychic spies in our military, and that there are 686 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,839 interdimensional ls accessful through our own penial glands. 687 00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 2: The entire social order collapses, or at least it changes 688 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,759 so radically as to be unrecognizable. The authorities, whether they 689 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:08,519 are religious authorities or governmental authorities, they lose their monopoly 690 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,039 on truth. If I can take a root bark and 691 00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:13,759 have a conversation with God, I don't really need a 692 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,400 priest to interpret him for me. 693 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,599 Speaker 1: And if I can use my own mind to remote 694 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,480 view the secret to the Pentagon, I don't need the 695 00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,079 CIA to tell me it's true. 696 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,759 Speaker 2: It is always always about control. 697 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: So here's the final question for you listening to this. 698 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,759 Right now, we've laid out the evidence presented in our sources. 699 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:34,839 The government is hiding things from retrieved non human craft 700 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,200 to perhaps the true history of our entire civilization and 701 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:41,920 Athea Onlin Luna argues that this secrecy is a crime 702 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,680 against humanity, that we have a fundamental right to know 703 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,799 who or what is sharing this planet with us. 704 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,559 Speaker 2: But the other side of that argument, the counter argument, 705 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,160 is that the truth is too ontologically shocking, that our 706 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,200 society simply can't handle the reality of the red cube. 707 00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:58,519 That if you knew for a fact that we were 708 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,720 basically a glorified farm for higher intelligences, you'd stop paying 709 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,599 your taxes, the economy would collapse, and everyone would go 710 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,559 live in a yurt. It would be chaos. 711 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: So where do you stand. Do you want total disclosure, 712 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,159 open the books, show us the aliens, legalize the molecules, 713 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,360 and let the chips fall where they may. Or do 714 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,400 you think some doors should stay locked for our own protection? 715 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 2: Are we as a species ready to meet the watchers? 716 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think in the comments we 717 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,719 read all of them. Thanks for listening to thrilling threads. 718 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: Keep pulling.