Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling threads. Okay, I want you to just
for a second picture something for me. You're a pilot, right,
a highly trained, incredibly sober military professional. You're flying over
Vandenberg Air Base, which is one of the most secure
facilities on the entire planet.
Speaker 2: Top secret stuff happens there.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and you look out and you see something that
just it defies every law of aerodynamics you spent your
entire career learning. It's not a saucer, it's not a
tic tac. It is a giant, red, floating square.
Speaker 2: And we're not talking about just some box. The report
described a geometric cube the size of a football field.
Speaker 1: A football field that's one hundred yards of what means metal?
Is it energy?
Speaker 2: You just hr there silently, and that's the key part.
Silent and right in the very center. The witness described
this distortion, oh weird thing like the air itself was
warping or what the object was, I don't know, bending
into itself.
Speaker 1: That is terrifying.
Speaker 2: It is absolutely terrifying. And well, you hear a story
like that and you think, okay, sci fi movie, classified
military tech.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where my mind goes.
Speaker 2: But what if I told you that this red cube
hovering over a modern airbase is in a way the
exact same story as an ancient scroll they found rotting
in a clay jar in the Dead Sea, a scroll
that talks about watchers descending from the sky.
Speaker 1: Now that is the premise we are tackling today. It
feels like two completely different genres, you know, sci fi
versus ancient fantasy. But we're looking at a stack of
sources today that suggests they might just be chapters in
the same book.
Speaker 2: They really might.
Speaker 1: We're pulling from the JR Collection channel, specifically a breakdown
of a podcast featuring Joe Rogan, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna,
and a well, a really intense researcher on psychedelics.
Speaker 2: It's a true collision of worlds. You've got the legislative
power of the US Congress, You've got the raw, unfiltered
curiosity of the podcasting world, and then you have the
hard biochemical data of clinical research.
Speaker 1: And they're all pointing at the same, really uncomfortable truth
that human history and maybe even human reality itself is
being managed.
Speaker 2: Managed is a good word for it. It's curated.
Speaker 1: Managed is maybe a polite way to put it suppressed
might be better. We're talking about books that were literally banned
from the Bible, and on the other hand, files locked
away in a scif deep under the Pentagon.
Speaker 2: The same pattern of information control, just separated by two
thousand years.
Speaker 1: So let's pull that first thread. The Book of Enoch.
I grew up going to Sunday School, you know, the
whole thing. I never once heard of this guy. Why
was he canceled?
Speaker 2: Canceled is actually a perfect modern term for what happened
to Enoch. It really is. To understand why, you have
to look at how the Bible was put together, the cannon,
which is, you know, the official list of books. It
wasn't just handed down on a cloud.
Speaker 1: From on high right. It was a committee meeting.
Speaker 2: It was a series of very long, very contentious committee meetings.
It was selected, it was debated by councils of men,
specifically rabbis and early Church fathers, who had a very
very specific theological framework they needed to maintain.
Speaker 1: So they were the editors of what became the most
important book in Western.
Speaker 2: History exactly, and the Book of Enoch. It was a problem,
a big one. It was yanked out as our source
material puts it, And it wasn't some obscure text. It
was widely read in the centuries before christ. It was
even quoted in the New Testament, specifically in the Book
of Jude.
Speaker 1: Wait, it's quoted in the Bible itself directly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But eventually the rabbinic authorities and then later the Christian councils,
they decided it just didn't align with the Torah. It
was too wild, it was too psychedelic. As Rogan puts it,
it just didn't fit the neat monotheistic control narrative they
were carefully building.
Speaker 1: Because it introduced to any other characters into the story
in a way.
Speaker 2: Yes, it blurred the lines between you know, God, angels,
and humanity. It got messy. But here is where the
story gets really interesting. For centuries, scholars thought maybe this
book was just a rumor, you know, or a forgery
from the Middle Ages, some.
Speaker 1: Fan fiction that got out of hand, right, But then in.
Speaker 2: The nineteen forties, a Bedouin shepherd is just messing around.
There's a rock into a cave in a place called Kumaran.
Speaker 1: The Dead Sea Scrolls.
Speaker 2: The single greatest archaeological find of the twentieth century, hands down,
so go into these caves and they find these old
clay jars, and inside those jars are manuscripts that have
been sitting there, perfectly preserved in the dried desert air
for two thousand years.
Speaker 1: And what do they find And.
Speaker 2: Right there, nestled alongside the canonical texts we all know,
like the Book of Isaiah. There it is the Book
of Enoch, multiple copies of it.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't fan fiction. It was right there in
the official library.
Speaker 2: It was in the VIP section of the library. And
this is the crucial part. Found right next to it
was the Great Isaiah Scroll. Now this scroll is the
heavy hitter for validation.
Speaker 1: It's the proof why that one specifically.
Speaker 2: Because before the Dead Sea scrolls, the oldest complete copy
of the Book of Isaiah we had was from the
Middle Ages around one thousand a d. The one they
found in the cave was from a thousand years before that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a millennium of people copying it by hand.
You would expect the story to change, right, It's like
that game of Telephone. By the time it gets to
the Middle Ages, you know, the lion shall lay down
with the lamb becomes the cat set on the mat.
Speaker 2: That's what every secular scholar expected. They assumed there would
be drift changes, additions, subtractions. But when they unrolled that
ancient scroll and compared the Dead Sea version of Isaiah
with the medieval version from a thousand years later, it
was verbatim verbatim. You identical. A few minor spelling variations,
maybe a preposition changed here or there, but the semantic meaning,
the actual content was one hundred percent preserved.
Speaker 1: How is that even possible?
Speaker 2: It tells us that the scribes, the people copying these
holy texts, were absolutely obsessive. They treated every single letter
as a sacred object. They had air checking protocols that
would honestly put modern computer code to shame. They count
the letters on a page to make sure the copy
was exact.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if they were that careful with the Book
of Isaiah, and a book of Enoch was sitting right
next to it in the same jar, preserved by the
very same community.
Speaker 2: Then you have to assume the text of the Book
of Enarch is also authentic to that time period. It's
not some later forgery. It is what people in the
Second Temple period, the time of Jesus actually believed, and
that right there makes the content of the book absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 1: Right because Isaiah is mostly you know, poetry and prophecy
enoch is well Rogan called it nets He called it
the psychedelic version of the Bible. What actually happens in
this book that scared the rabbis so much they had
to erase it.
Speaker 2: It details the story of the Watchers. These are described
as a class of angelic beings or maybe you know,
interdimensional entities whose job was to observe humanity.
Speaker 1: Just watch the celestial babysitters pretty much.
Speaker 2: But they went rogue. The text says they descended to
Earth secifically, to a place called Mount Hermann, and they
didn't just watch, They lusted.
Speaker 1: This is the Genesis six story, isn't it. Sons of
God saw the daughters of men that they were fair.
Speaker 2: Yes, But Genesis six gives you the one paragraph summary,
nat gives you the full unrated horror movie script. It
says two hundred of these Watchers came down, made a
pact and took human wives, and they taught humans forbidden technologies, weaponry, metallurgy, cosmetics, sorcery,
things we weren't supposed to know.
Speaker 1: Yet.
Speaker 2: But the real abomination, the thing that broke the.
Speaker 1: World, was the offspring, the nephilum.
Speaker 2: The giants, And we aren't talking about you know, NBA
players here. The text uses the term three hundred cubits. Now,
depending on your conversion of a cubit that is impossibly large,
like skyscraper.
Speaker 1: Large, that has to be a metaphor.
Speaker 2: It almost has to be. But even if we take
it metaphorically as just massive, it's their behavior that matters.
The text says, they consumed all the acquisitions of men.
Speaker 1: They ate all the food, the entire food supplies.
Speaker 2: They ate the cross, they ate the livestock. And when
the humans couldn't feed them anymore, the Nephelin turned on
the humans. Oh no, they started eating people. The book says.
They began to sin against birds and beasts and reptiles
and fish, and to devour one another's flesh and drink
the blood.
Speaker 1: Jeez. That completely changes the story of the Great Flood.
It turns it from a story about God being sort
of petty and angry about human behavior into a story
about planetary sanitation.
Speaker 2: That is exactly the argument that the source makes. If
you accept the Book of Enoch, the flood wasn't a
punishment for bad behavior like lying or stealing. It was
a biological necessity. The human genome had been corrupted. The
entire planetary ecosystem was being destroyed by an invasive species,
these hybrids.
Speaker 1: So God had to hit the reset button.
Speaker 2: He had to wipe the slate clean to save the
planet and what was left of pure, strained humanity from
these monsters.
Speaker 1: It sounds like an alien invasion movie. Independent's Day meets
the story of Noah.
Speaker 2: And that's the exact connection that Rogan and Congresswoman Luna
make in the podcast. Luna says something really profound in
the transcript. She's a devout Christian, and she says that
acknowledging this acknowledging that there are others, whether you call
them watchers or aliens or interdimensionals, it doesn't disprove God.
Speaker 1: You'd think this would completely break her.
Speaker 2: Worldview, but it doesn't. Instead, she argues, it expands it.
If God is infinite, why would he only create us?
Why is it so hard for us to believe that
there are other orders of creation, other beings? The problem
is in God. The problem is our ego.
Speaker 1: Our desire to be the only special kid in the
universe exactly.
Speaker 2: Enoch says, we are just one small part of a
much much messier and much more crowded cosmos.
Speaker 1: The cosmos that apparently includes giant red cubes hovering over California.
Let's pivot to the modern day, because if the ancient
Rabbis were suppressing the Book of Enoch to keep their
theology clean and simple, the argument here is that the
US government is suppressing UAP data to keep what the
economy stable, the current power dynamic in place, or.
Speaker 2: Simply to avoid having to admit that they aren't and
never have been, in complete control. And this is where
we get into the really thrilling threads of modern government secrecy.
We have Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, who sits on the
House Oversight Committee.
Speaker 1: So she's not an outsider. She's elected official with security clearance.
Speaker 2: He's on the inside, and she is describing a level
of stone walling from the Pentagon and the intelligence community
that is, well, it's practically criminal.
Speaker 1: She talks about the SCIF for listeners who might not know,
that's a sensitive compartmented information facility.
Speaker 2: It's the Cone of Silence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a room usually in the basement of the
Capitol or the Pentagon. No phones, no electronics, soundproof walls.
It's where the nation's deepest.
Speaker 2: Secrets live, and she describes going in there to get
answers on UAPs, specifically after the explosive testimony of David Grush. Now,
Grush is the key to all of this. He's the
high level intelligence officer who came forward under oath to
say we have the craft and we have the bodies.
Speaker 1: He used that term biologics. I remember that, non human biologics.
Speaker 2: Chilling, it really is, and Luna reveals something crucial. Grush
didn't just casually walk into a hearing room and decide
to testify. He faced severe, severe intimidation. She says he
received very real threats against his life and his wife's
life before he came forward.
Speaker 1: And that right there, that's the tell, isn't it. If
he was just some crazy guy making up stories about
little green men, you'd ignore him, you'd laugh him out
of the room. You don't threaten to kill his wife.
Speaker 2: That is the exact logic that Luna applies. The ferocity
of the reaction validates the authenticity of the claim. If
there was nothing to hide, there would be no threats,
no coordinated smear campaign to destroy his reputation the moment
he stepped out of the shadows. But there was.
Speaker 1: And it's not just threats, it's the bureaucracy itself. Luna
uses this hilarious meme to describe it, the stork.
Speaker 2: The stork meme, Yeah, I know the one. It's an
image of a stork, and every time you try to
touch something, the stork just slaps your hand away.
Speaker 1: Touch that that, she says, is the deep state. Every
time they get close to an answer, don't touch that.
Speaker 2: It's a funny image, but the reality is actually terrifying.
You have our elected representatives, people we voted for to
provide oversight, trying to pass the simplest laws, like, hey, FAA,
if a commercial pilot sees a UFO, maybe we should
have a non classified way for them to report it.
Here reasonable, you'd think so, She mentions Representative Tim Burchett
trying to pass that exact amendment, just a simple, common
sense reporting structure, and the chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee blocked it.
Speaker 1: He just shut it down.
Speaker 2: Not only did he block it, but he allegedly backed
a primary challenger against Birchett in his next election to
try and get him kicked out of office for even asking.
Speaker 1: That is so vindictive. That's not policy, that's a turf war.
Speaker 2: It shows that the secrecy isn't a passive thing. It's
not just an old secret sitting in a file cabinet.
It's an active, ongoing operation that requires constant maintenance. Someone
is working very very hard right now to keep that
red cube out of the public record.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to that cube for a second,
because the detail in that report was just wild. This
happened at Vandenburg Air Base.
Speaker 2: Yes, and the description from the witness is what sells it.
This wasn't some blurry late in the sky at night.
This was daylight or at least very clear visibility. The
object was one hundred yards across the size of a
football field, and the pilot noted that it was completely
unstable in terms of how it should behave in the wind.
It should have been wobbling or drifting, but it was
perfectly unnaturally still.
Speaker 1: So it was defying the wind.
Speaker 2: It was completely ignoring the atmosphere, as if the laws
of physics didn't apply to it. But the center the
pilot described a weird thing in the center, a distortion,
almost like a heat haze or a gravitational.
Speaker 1: Lens, like it was bending space around it.
Speaker 2: That's the implication. If you think about the physics required
to keep a square object the size of a stadium
hovering silently and motionless, you are talking about a form
of energy manipulation that makes our most advanced nuclear carriers
look like I don't know, steam engines.
Speaker 1: And Luna makes a crucial point, this isn't just about
the fun question of our aliens reel. It's about is
our national security reel. If these things can hover over
a nuclear missile base, which Vandenberg is, and we can't
do a single thing about it, that is a profound
national security.
Speaker 2: Crisis, which is what leads her to the whole inherent
contempt discussion. This was fascinating. Luna is digging deep into
the parliamentary rule book, the history of Congress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was talking about holding the Attorney general in contempt.
Speaker 2: Right, but not just regular contempt. She brought up a
legal mechanism called inherent contempt that hasn't been used since
the early nineteen hundreds to try and force the Attorney
General to hand over the audio tapes of President Biden's interview.
Speaker 1: I loved that part of the transcript. She was like,
I read the manual, It's amazing what happens when you
actually read the instructions.
Speaker 2: It is a savage burn on her colleagues. But inherent
contempt is a wild concept. It's not just a fine
or a slash on the wrist. It allows Congress to
instruct its own police force the sergeant at arms to
physically go and arrest an official who is defying a subpoena.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, does Congress have a jail.
Speaker 2: They do, or at least they used to have a
holding cell in the basement of the Capitol building. The
idea is that Congress, as a coequal branch of government,
has its own police power to enforce its subpoenas. And
Luna is suggesting that they might need to dust off
the old handcuffs to finally get the truth about these
hidden programs.
Speaker 1: Because the other angle here, the one that always explains everything,
is the money. We always have to follow the money always.
Speaker 2: The Pentagon has failed its audit. What is it now
six times in a row? Seven? I lose count. We
are talking about literally trillions of dollars in assets and
spending that cannot be accounted for.
Speaker 1: Trillions with a T. It's a number that's so big
it doesn't even feel real.
Speaker 2: And the theory, which is a very strong one shared
by many insiders, is that this isn't just incompetence or
sloppy bookkeeping. It's intentional embezzlement on a scale that is
hard to comprehend.
Speaker 1: So where's the money going.
Speaker 2: It's being siphoned off into what are called unacknowledged special
Access programs or usaps. These are the black budget programs
that have zero oversight, no Congress, no President. It's just
a handful of private defense contractors in generals running their
own secret space program.
Speaker 1: So they might be building reverse engineered craft or studying
the biology these watchers on our dime, and if we,
the people who paid for it, ask about it, they
threaten to kill our families.
Speaker 2: That is the accusation, in a nutshell, that a breakaway
civilization has been created, funded by your tax dollars, operating
with technology light years ahead of the public.
Speaker 1: Sector, which weirdly brings us to an even stranger spending
habit of the US government. We're talking about hardware, right
nuts and bolts craft, but the sources also discussed the
government's deep interest in software, specifically the software of the
human mind, the psychic spies.
Speaker 2: The Stargate program.
Speaker 1: This always sounds like pure fiction. If you've ever seen
that movie The Men Who Stare At Goats, you think
the whole thing is just a joke, But the transcript
makes it crystal clear. The CIA took this very, very seriously.
Speaker 2: They absolutely did, and this isn't a conspiracy theory. You
can go to the CIA's own reading room website right now.
It's a dot gov website, and you can download the
declassified files yourself. They spent millions of dollars investigating a
phenomenon called remote viewing.
Speaker 1: Good define that for the skeptic who's listening right now.
Speaker 2: Remote viewing is a standardized protocol a method of using
the mind to perceive a target. It could be a location,
a person, an object that is hidden from your physical
view and separated by a great distance. You give the
viewer nothing but a set of random coordinates, just numbers,
and they sit down with a pen and paper and
sketch or describe what is at that location, and.
Speaker 1: They actually like results. It wasn't just you know, squiggles
on a page.
Speaker 2: The examples in the source are staggering congress from Maluna
mentions the Coast Guard. Now, the Coast Guard are practical people.
They chased drug runners, they rescue people from sinking boats.
They don't have time for woo wo nonsense.
Speaker 1: Right, they're not into crystals and horoscopes, not at all.
Speaker 2: But they were using the military's remote viewers to get
coordinates for drug running ships in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 1: Just picture that for a second. You're a drug lord.
You've got a stealth boat, you're running silent, no radar signature.
You're in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. You think
you're a ghost, and suddenly a Coastguard cutter pulls up
right alongside you because some guy in a dark, windowless
room in Maryland closed his eyes and saw you.
Speaker 2: Luna jokes about the weirdo at Langley beaming coordinates to
the Coastguard, but it apparently worked. And then there's the
Hall put Off story. Put Off was one of the
lead scientists at SRI International who was running this program
for the CIA. He told Joe Rogan a story about
a down Russian craft.
Speaker 1: This is the bomber crash right.
Speaker 2: A Russian strategic bomber. I believe that went down in
the remote wilderness of I think it was somewhere in Africa.
The transcript implies a remote jungle area. The Russians couldn't
find their own plane. The US intelligence community gave the
task to the remote viewers. They located the crash site
to within a few kilometers. We found their top secret
crash before they did, using nothing but brain power.
Speaker 1: That is an unbelievable strategic advantage.
Speaker 2: And that is why the program existed in the first place.
Rogan makes a really good point. If you are the
head of the CIA in the middle of the Cold
War and you hear even a whisper of a rumor
that the Soviets are training psychic spies, you have to
spend the money to investigate. You cannot afford a psychic gap.
Speaker 1: It's the logic of the arms race applied to human
consciousness exactly.
Speaker 2: Even if you think it's ninety nine percent garbage, that
one percent chance that it's real is a risk you
simply cannot take.
Speaker 1: But how does it work, I mean, what's the mechanism?
How does a human brain in Maryland tune into a
crashed plane five thousand miles away in a jungle.
Speaker 2: Well. This leads to the telepathy takes discussion in the source.
The idea is all about frequencies. The expert in the
source suggests that the brain is essentially a transceiver. It
sends and it receives information, and normally most of us
are tuned to the speech frequency. We use words, we
use body language. That's our main channel.
Speaker 1: We're on the FM dial of talking exactly.
Speaker 2: But the discussion brings up the strange phenomenon of nonverbal
autistic children. There's this idea sometimes called the autistic tapes
or telepathy tapes, where parents of deeply nonverbal children report
these uncanny, almost unbelievable instances of mind to mind communication,
like the.
Speaker 1: Kid knows exactly what the parent is thinking before they
even say a word.
Speaker 2: Or the kid reacts to a silent intention. A parent
thinks I should get him a glass of water, and
the kid walks over to the sink. The theory is
that because the primary verbal channel is blocked or unused
in their brains, the other frequencies are naturally amplified. The
faint telepathic signal isn't drowned out by the constant noise
of language.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of that all this Huxley idea, the
reducing galve that our brains aren't designed to let reality in.
They're designed to filter almost all of it out so
we can function without being completely overwhelmed. And if you
can find a way to remove that filter.
Speaker 2: You get the raw feed, which is the absolute perfect
segue to the most effective and most controversial way to
remove that filter, chemistry.
Speaker 1: DMT, the spirit molecule.
Speaker 2: This is where the episode takes a really sharp term
away from government policy and into the mechanics of the
soul itself. We are introduced to the researcher. This is
the guy who, against all odds, managed to get the
first government approved DMT study in the United States in decades.
Speaker 1: And the irony is just so rich. This is in
the nineteen nineties, the absolute height of the just say
no war on drugs. How on earth did he get
approval to inject people with what's considered the most powerful
psychedelic known to man.
Speaker 2: He played the game beautifully. He didn't go to the
FDA and say I want to explore the spiritual realm
and meet God. They would have laughed him out of
the building right. He said, this is a dangerous drug
of abuse that is showing up on the streets. We
need to study its pathology, We need to understand the threat.
He used the government's own paranoia and fear to get
funding for the very research that would completely undermine their
materialist worldview.
Speaker 1: The trojan horse for science. I love it. So he
gets some money, gets the pharmaceutical grade DMT, and he
starts injecting volunteers. But the dosage they mentioned zero point
four milligrams for kilogram. Can we put that into context
for people?
Speaker 2: It is a massive, massive dose. For our recreational user.
A breakthrough dose where you completely lose contact with the
room might be say thirty or forty milligrams total usually
smoked for a seventy five kilogram person. This study was
pushing thirty milligrams intravenously.
Speaker 1: So it hits instantly, all at once.
Speaker 2: It's not like smoking it where you can pull back
and some of it burns away. This is a chemical
cannon ball to the center of the brain.
Speaker 1: And the participants were what they were terrified.
Speaker 2: They were convinced they had died. The researcher admits that
it was essentially an anesthetic overdose level of the drug,
but instead of going to sleep and waking up later,
they woke up instantly in another place.
Speaker 1: And this is the part that always gets me about
DMT stories. It's not like a dream where things are
morphing and surreal and weird. People report that it's hyper real.
Speaker 2: More real than real. That is the phrase you hear
over and over again. The participants reported entering a consistent, stable,
freestanding environment. They saw complex machinery, they saw entities.
Speaker 1: Machine elves, the gestures, the classic archetypes, or to.
Speaker 2: Bring this all the way back around, the watchers. The
researcher himself speculates, and this is a medical doctor assigned
to speaking, that the prophetic state described in the Bible
might have been a biological event.
Speaker 1: You mean, in dodgenos DMT the stuff our own bodies
make exactly.
Speaker 2: We know for a fact the human body produces DMT naturally.
It's in our lungs, our liver, and almost certainly in
the brain. The theory is that the incredible visions of Ezekiel,
the wheels within wheels, the eyes or Moses in the
burning bush, or the ascent of Enoch to the heavens.
These could be spontaneous releases of endogenous dmts.
Speaker 1: So the burning bush wasn't a physical plant that was
on fire outside of Moses. It was a chemical reaction
inside of him.
Speaker 2: Or maybe the chemical reaction is the key that unlocks
the door to the dimension where the burning bush actually is.
It's not a hallucination of something that isn't there. It's
a change in frequency that allows you to perceive what's
always there. Just like the remote viewers tuning into the
rushing crash, the prophet tunes into the divine realm.
Speaker 1: But not all frequencies are good ones. The source material
takes a very dark detour here into another chemical scoplin
me devil's breath. Even the name is just heavy. This
comes from the juitur plant or gems and wheat. And
this isn't about enlightenment or meeting God. This is about control.
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate zombie drug. It completely wipes out
free will. In places like Columbia, criminals use it for robberies.
They blow the powder in someone's face and that person
will then cheerfully help them empty their own bank account,
smile at the teller, invite them back to their apartment
and help them carry out the TV and they wake up
the next day with zero memory of it.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying. There was a story about a veteran in.
Speaker 2: The transcript Haunting Story, a patient at the VA who
decided to self medicate. He made a tea from gimson weed,
which contains sepolamine, to try and treat his own psychological issues.
He drank it, wandered out into the desert and went
missing for days, And when he came back, his brain
was fried, permanent cognitive damage. Who wasn't the same person,
but in the process he had somehow cured his lifelong
crippling alcoholism. The neural pathways in his brain that drove
his addiction had been completely scorched, wiped clean.
Speaker 1: That is a terrifying trade off. I will basically lobotomize
myself in order to stop drinking.
Speaker 2: It just highlights the sheer raw power of these plant compounds.
They are not toys. They can literally rewrite your brain's
operating system. But what if there was a way to
rewrite the system without the catastrophic brain damage? And that
brings us to Ibogain.
Speaker 1: This feels like hopeful part of the whole discussion. Ibergain
seems like it could be the holy grail for the
opioid crisis we're in.
Speaker 2: It really, really does. It comes from the root bark
of an African shrub, the Tabernanthea boga, and the origin
story of its discovery in the West is pure serendipity.
A guy named Howard Locksov, who was a heroin addict
in New York in the nineteen sixties, was just looking
for a new high and new experience. A chemist friend
gave him some ibagain.
Speaker 1: He just took it for kicks, completely for kicks.
Speaker 2: He had this intense, thirty hour psychedelic trip. But when
he finally came down, he realized something was missing. The withdrawal, oh,
the craving, the physical agony of opiate addiction. It was
just gone.
Speaker 1: And anyone who knows anything about opiate addiction knows that
the withdrawal, the dope sickness is the hook. It's physical
and mental torture. If you can just skip that.
Speaker 2: It changes the entire game. Lotsaw spent the rest of
his life advocating for this plant. The stats are staggering.
The source mentions an eighty percent success rate for the
interroption of severe addiction after just one treatment eighty percent.
Speaker 1: Compare that to traditional rehab, which is often in the
low single digits for long term success.
Speaker 2: It's not even in the same league.
Speaker 1: So why isn't this available on every street corner? Why
aren't we pouring money into this?
Speaker 2: Because it's a powerful hallucinogen, So it's a schedule eyed
drug in the US, same category as heroin, and you
can't patent a plant roots, so there's no massive pharmaceutical
profit motive. But the mechanism is what's so fascinating. It's
not a replacement drug like methadone, which just keeps you
addicted to something else. Ibogan seems to reset the opiate receptors.
Speaker 1: In the brain, a hardware reset.
Speaker 2: And a software reset. Psychologically, it forces what's called a
life review.
Speaker 1: You have to sit and watch the entire movie of
your life.
Speaker 2: And not just watch it from your own perspective. Users
report experiencing their actions from the perspective of the people
they affected. You have to feel the pain you caused
your family. It's a brutal, objective third person look at
your trauma and your choices. You relive it, you process
it and you leave it there. It's like ten years
of intensive therapy in ten hours.
Speaker 1: That sounds both terrifying and incredibly healing exactly.
Speaker 2: And now finally we are seeing some movement. It's being
authorized in places like surprisingly Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Texas is actually leading the charge on psychedelic research
for veterans. Who would have thought.
Speaker 2: They're approving studies for veterans with PTSD and traumatic brain injury.
It seems the forbidden plants, the ones that have been
used by indigenous cultures for millennia, are finally being recognized
by the West as the powerful medicine they always were.
Speaker 1: And this all connects back to that idea of evolution
and where we're going. The source got pretty speculative at
the end, talking about the future of the human species.
Speaker 2: The gray alien theory a.
Speaker 1: Classic the idea that the classic gray alien isn't from
Zeta Reticuli or some other star system. They're from Earth
in the year fifty thousand and eight. They're us.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the trajectory of human evolution,
it makes a strange kind of biological sense. We know
the human brain has expanded rapidly, it's doubled in fighs
over the last two million years. At the same time,
we're getting physically weaker because we rely on machines. Our
jaws are getting smaller because we cook our food.
Speaker 1: So you just project that trend forward a few thousand.
Speaker 2: Generations, a million years from now. What do you get
a huge, bulbous cranium to house a massive, powerful brain,
a tiny atropheed, frail body because machines do all the
physical labor, large black eyes to process massive amounts of
visual data, and no mouse. Because of the telepathy, if
we develop that universal visual language or some kind of
technological telepathy, the vocal cords become vestigial. They're gone. We
become the grays. We are time traveling, visiting our own past.
Speaker 1: So for neotiny, isn't it containing childlike or feel features
into adulthood?
Speaker 2: Precisely, a gray alien looks very much like a human fetus,
big head, big eyes. It could be the ultimate endpoint
of our particular evolution sary path. It's a comforting thought
in a strange way. They aren't hostile invaders. There are
descendants acting as anthropologists.
Speaker 1: Or maybe just tourists come see the primitive noisy barbarians
of the year twenty twenty four exactly.
Speaker 2: Look, they still talk with their mouths.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap this all up, we have to touch
on the geology because the show started with this idea
of ancient myths surreal We covered Enoch at the Watchers,
but the Source also brings up Sodom and Gomorrah.
Speaker 2: This is another fantastic intersection of science and scripture. The
Biblical story is the destruction of the cities of the
Plain by fire and sulfur raining.
Speaker 1: From the sky, the wrath of God.
Speaker 2: Right, but the researcher and the Source points out that
the Dead Sea region is a major geological fault zone.
It's sitting on top of massive underground pockets of natural
gas and sulfur deposits.
Speaker 1: So a big enough earthquake or maybe a small meteor
strike in the right place could rupture those pockets and
set the whole region.
Speaker 2: On fire, and you would have literal balls of burning
sulfur raining from the sky. It would look exactly like
the wrath of God. And geologists have found evidence of
extreme high temperature heat events in the sediment layers in
that exact area from the right time period. It grounds
the Biblical story in plate.
Speaker 1: Tectonics and the flood. That's the other big one.
Speaker 2: The younger, driest impact theory. This is the work of
people like Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock. The theory is
that a comet or fragments of a comet hit the
North American ice caps about twelve eight hundred years ago,
and the result an almost instantaneous melting event catastrophic global
sea level rise megat tsunamis that wash across continents. It
would have been the end of the world for the
civilizations of that time.
Speaker 1: The passengers on an organic spaceship quote was.
Speaker 2: Great Rogan said that, and it's true. We are just
flying through a cosmic shooting gallery. The asteroid belt is
right there. We get hit periodically, we get nearly wiped out.
The survivors rebuild, and the stories of the Great Flood,
which exist in hundreds of cultures all over the world,
are the cultural memory of the last time and we
almost went extinct. It makes you feel very, very fragile,
and that fragility is maybe the very reason why the
secret is kept. And this, I think brings us to
the grand synthesis of this whole episode.
Speaker 1: Let's tie all these thrilling threads together. We started with
the Book of Enoch, a text that was banned because
it revealed the uncomfortable truth about the Watchers.
Speaker 2: Then we jumped to the Red Cube and modern UAPs,
a phenomenon hidden by the Pentagon to conceal the reality
of the others.
Speaker 1: And then we went to DMT, a substance made illegal
because it allows any individual to potentially see these entities
for themselves.
Speaker 2: Do you see the pattern. It is a singular conspiracy
spanning millennia. It is the conspiracy to maintain the fragile
illusion that human beings are the masters of reality.
Speaker 1: If the public knew, I really knew that there were
three hundred Cubic giants in our ancient history, that there
are psychic spies in our military, and that there are
interdimensional ls accessful through our own penial glands.
Speaker 2: The entire social order collapses, or at least it changes
so radically as to be unrecognizable. The authorities, whether they
are religious authorities or governmental authorities, they lose their monopoly
on truth. If I can take a root bark and
have a conversation with God, I don't really need a
priest to interpret him for me.
Speaker 1: And if I can use my own mind to remote
view the secret to the Pentagon, I don't need the
CIA to tell me it's true.
Speaker 2: It is always always about control.
Speaker 1: So here's the final question for you listening to this.
Right now, we've laid out the evidence presented in our sources.
The government is hiding things from retrieved non human craft
to perhaps the true history of our entire civilization and
Athea Onlin Luna argues that this secrecy is a crime
against humanity, that we have a fundamental right to know
who or what is sharing this planet with us.
Speaker 2: But the other side of that argument, the counter argument,
is that the truth is too ontologically shocking, that our
society simply can't handle the reality of the red cube.
That if you knew for a fact that we were
basically a glorified farm for higher intelligences, you'd stop paying
your taxes, the economy would collapse, and everyone would go
live in a yurt. It would be chaos.
Speaker 1: So where do you stand. Do you want total disclosure,
open the books, show us the aliens, legalize the molecules,
and let the chips fall where they may. Or do
you think some doors should stay locked for our own protection?
Speaker 2: Are we as a species ready to meet the watchers?
Speaker 1: Let us know what you think in the comments we
read all of them. Thanks for listening to thrilling threads.
Speaker 2: Keep pulling.