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<v Speaker 1>You've obviously got the a SEC Tournament and the SEC

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<v Speaker 1>Tournament in our backyard here coming around the corner and

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<v Speaker 1>central to that would be the Clemson Tigers. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot going on with the Clemson stuff in terms of football.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that, and also Brad Burnell's run with

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<v Speaker 1>this team again this year, joining us to break it

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<v Speaker 1>all down, and maybe a Steelers A question or two

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the interview is will Vandervart Clemson

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<v Speaker 1>insider buddy, how you been?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey? Guys? How You've been a long time man?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we all had I know you in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that works them late night deadlines, after the

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<v Speaker 1>dabos WHENNY press conferences you needed a breather. We gave

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<v Speaker 1>you a bit of a breather after football sort of

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped up, and what a remarkable season it was for Clemson,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, out there in Austin, Texas trying to rally

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<v Speaker 1>and win that game. I want to get to basketball

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute, but what's your reads so far? Early?

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<v Speaker 1>It's very early. We know there's been some off the

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<v Speaker 1>field stuff that Clemson's been litigating and they're through that.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the football set, lost a few guys like

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<v Speaker 1>Barry Carter and a new defensive coordinator and Tom and

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<v Speaker 1>give us just a few nuggets there from from what

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<v Speaker 1>you've learned about the program heading into twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>My man, I think they're gonna be way better defensively.

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<v Speaker 2>We spoke with Tom Allen last night after practice and

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<v Speaker 2>you know this this is practice number That was practice

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<v Speaker 2>number four of the spring and so you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>got to do a little bit last Yesterday was the

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<v Speaker 2>second day they were in full pads, probably the first

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<v Speaker 2>day they actually have done you know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>live work where they really got down and down to business,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben was on the field, so you know that's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it was you know, the main thing that

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<v Speaker 2>came out while we were there yesterday the conversations. You

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<v Speaker 2>know Tom Allen, you know, we get people perspective. He

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<v Speaker 2>walks around with the microphone in his hand and he's

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<v Speaker 2>fussing at the at his team, you know, during practice

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<v Speaker 2>and letting them know, hey, this is how you know

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<v Speaker 2>I need you to do this right, I need to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. I don't want to say fussing's the best way.

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<v Speaker 2>I should just say coaching he's coaching. He's coaching the guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's letting them you know, he's coaching his coaches,

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<v Speaker 2>he's coaching his players, and he walks around and goes

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<v Speaker 2>around to each segment making sure guys are doing what

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<v Speaker 2>they're supposed to do. And the main thing they're emphasizing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's no surprise, is tackling. Tackling with a major issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Coach Allen said that what he did when he first

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<v Speaker 2>got the job at Clinton as he went watched all

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<v Speaker 2>the game film from last year to see what the

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<v Speaker 2>problems were, and then he went and watched practice because

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<v Speaker 2>he said he wanted to see the effort. What was

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<v Speaker 2>the effort like in practice, and he talked about how

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<v Speaker 2>the effort wasn't good in practice, which translated the game

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<v Speaker 2>day and and so he mentioned that as a major issue,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's one thing he wanted to correct right away.

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<v Speaker 2>First thing is effort in practice. And then the second

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, you know, how is tackling going. And they

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<v Speaker 2>really they do this what they call the Madden circle.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the whole thing these drills work around, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>working on tackling within one yard of the ball carrier

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<v Speaker 2>right right, and wrapping up in tackling. So it's really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting drills that he's doing, and he's trying to just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fundamentally get it in their heads, you know

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<v Speaker 2>why it's important to tackle and how to tackle. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like going all the way back to that won't

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<v Speaker 2>say totally back to their pee wee days, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely teaching them how to tackle with the how to

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<v Speaker 2>tackle the football, and that's what they needed. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the thing I get out of it

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<v Speaker 2>so far of the four practices we've been able to

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<v Speaker 2>watch so for we'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about some of the key players here in a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but back to Tom Allen. Will Van Dervoort, Clemson Insider

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<v Speaker 1>joining us, who has been covering Clemson spring practice, and

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<v Speaker 1>I found it fascinating to hear some of his interviews

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<v Speaker 1>that the Clemson athletic folks had put on one of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcasts, and do you hear some of his press conferences.

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<v Speaker 1>He definitely has the voice that commands respect. He's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>got the bona fides working up there in the Big Ten,

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<v Speaker 1>has brought a lot of great defenses and has developed

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of star players in the NFL. But all

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<v Speaker 1>that is glitz and glamour and an inn window and attributes.

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<v Speaker 1>All that matters is tackling. You were so right about that,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've seen this with teams in the NFL. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it with my own Panthers. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>kills you in football. And I'm not trying to echo

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<v Speaker 1>Dabbo or Tom or speak for them, but boy, if

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<v Speaker 1>you start missing your tackles and taking bad angles and

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<v Speaker 1>you can't hold the edge, I don't care how good

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<v Speaker 1>you are on offense. I don't care how good dynamically

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<v Speaker 1>you are in the back end in terms of playmaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care how good you can rush the passer.

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<v Speaker 1>It will kill your momentum. And I think you're telling

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<v Speaker 1>me in a certain way. Allen's bringing a certain attitude

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<v Speaker 1>to that, and we'll see if that translates. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>get the sense that on the offensive side of the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>With Garrett Riley coming into I believe it's what year

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<v Speaker 1>three now for Garrett Kate club coming back. Caid should

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<v Speaker 1>have been a Heisman finalist last year. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>Cad will be this year if he's healthy. But what's

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<v Speaker 1>he working with out there? You give us an idea

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<v Speaker 1>of what the offensive wine should be looking like. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously losing Brennan Stools a big deal. But some good

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<v Speaker 1>young receivers on that roster right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Yeah, they're in. Uh they're fire. H Okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>say it the best way. The main thing they're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at on the offense there in the spring is they're working.

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<v Speaker 2>They're working on running back. Uh. You know, they got

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<v Speaker 2>they got they got obviously the pressure coming in and

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<v Speaker 2>they're excited about what he can do. How much can

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<v Speaker 2>he learn in this short amount of time to get

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<v Speaker 2>him ready for Paul Camp. You know obviously you know

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<v Speaker 2>you got Adams and those guys that are back. The

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<v Speaker 2>big news is Adam Randall is now playing running back

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<v Speaker 2>this spring. That's what he's focusing on. Dad's big on

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<v Speaker 2>that to make sure, you know, trying to see doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily mean that's what he's gonna play in the fall.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just trying it right now. As Dabo you said,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's try and let's see what it is. So

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<v Speaker 2>he's been working at running back and getting I see

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<v Speaker 2>him with the first and second team reps. So and

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<v Speaker 2>then the you know, as far as the wide receivers

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<v Speaker 2>go to they're a great shape at wide receiver. Flintston

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<v Speaker 2>is the only team in the country that brings back

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<v Speaker 2>four receivers that had over five hundred yards receiving five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred yards receiving last year that there's there's nobody else

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<v Speaker 2>that that that has that number. And yeah, they got

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<v Speaker 2>to replace Brenting, still a tight end. But I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>honest with you, you know there they think they think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the young man that was here last year,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a second year. I'll tell you his name.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a red shirt freshman, played a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>last year and Christian Beneicure and uh, he played a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit last year during his red shirt season. They

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<v Speaker 2>think he's got the the ability to be really really

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<v Speaker 2>good and uh and right now he's getting a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of reps because because uh Alston pat Henry is missing

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<v Speaker 2>some time in practice because of some magginet injury he

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<v Speaker 2>had from last year. They're just kind of let him

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<v Speaker 2>take it easy. So that's allowing him to get some reps.

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<v Speaker 2>Gift Patrick Sapp excuse not Patrick Sapp, Josh Sap, Patrick's

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<v Speaker 2>son as well. And so you know, I think they

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<v Speaker 2>feel pretty good about that position because of the guys

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<v Speaker 2>they have, they're already in place. And then and then

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<v Speaker 2>the offensive line, they bring back four starters, but really

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<v Speaker 2>they bring back a fifth two and Harry Sewell, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because he was you know, he played a lot last

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<v Speaker 2>year and played a lot in the year before, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he's pretty much gonna be penciled in, already penciling

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<v Speaker 2>in that left guard replacing Marcus Tate. So they feel

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<v Speaker 2>real good there and they feel like this year they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be able to get even more depth than they

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<v Speaker 2>had last year, which they had to use all of

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<v Speaker 2>it and then some with the injuries. But they feel

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<v Speaker 2>really good about who they got coming back on the

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<v Speaker 2>offensive line. Now, Tristan Lee and a couple of those

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<v Speaker 2>guys aren't working right now in the spring because again

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<v Speaker 2>they had off season surgeries and some nagging injuries that

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<v Speaker 2>they cleaned up. Walker Parks is not working either, So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple guys that are that are that are

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<v Speaker 2>getting extra work that they probably wouldn't have gotten. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if those other guys weren't banged up. I want say

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<v Speaker 2>banged up, that's not the right work because they're rebilitating.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say it's more rehabbing more than anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be more than ready to go. They could play now,

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<v Speaker 2>Dabo just doesn't see the sense of rushing them back

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<v Speaker 2>or just you know, spring practice.

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<v Speaker 1>And Dabo made it real clear there will be a

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<v Speaker 1>spring game. Oh no, there's a lot changing in college football,

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<v Speaker 1>but that ain't changing. So a spring game.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only that, Dabo mentioned that they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out to a fan appreciation day as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if it to be tied in

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<v Speaker 2>with the spring game or not, but Dabo mentioned that,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people haven't talked about that part.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of at the tell any because everybody

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<v Speaker 2>was so focused on him saying, yeah, we're keeping our

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<v Speaker 2>spring game that they didn't hear the part where Dada says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to try to do something also not just

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<v Speaker 2>a spring game, but also do something else for the

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<v Speaker 2>fans when it comes to fan appreciation day kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, kind of be on the lookout for

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<v Speaker 2>that too as well. Davo's trying to figure out some

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<v Speaker 2>substitute with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like we'll keep an eye on that. Let's tuck

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<v Speaker 1>football away to bed for a minute. As we've obviously

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<v Speaker 1>got the combine. Some Clemson guys are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in this draft class, including Brennan Stoel and Barrek Carter.

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<v Speaker 1>But basketball on the men's side, it's just another special

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<v Speaker 1>season for Brad Burnell's team, a coach that was all

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<v Speaker 1>but left for dead a couple of years ago. And

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you I haven't followed this team as

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<v Speaker 1>closely this year because I no longer do the WeSC pregame.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have followed it from a distance, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>caught up on the fact that you know, James Zachary

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one points the other night, they go twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>and five this season so far, seventeen and two in

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<v Speaker 1>the ACC chase. Hunter's doing great things. The chef is cooking,

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<v Speaker 1>breaking records again. You get the tournament time. It's unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a level of confidence Do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>they can lean on from what they went through last

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<v Speaker 1>year going all the way to the Elite eight or

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<v Speaker 1>is it a new season and unpredictable things, as Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>proved over the years, can happen. Where's the mindset with

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<v Speaker 1>coach Brunella and what's he telling you guys?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know who's telling us just basically what you said,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, you know coaches are they're not going

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<v Speaker 2>can win a national championshipslator that's what I need. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I will say this, he likes his team

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. He likes the direction they're in and they're going,

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<v Speaker 2>and that they've been at at at this point. Personally,

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<v Speaker 2>what I think this team is. I think this team

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<v Speaker 2>has a chance to go very far in the tournament

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<v Speaker 2>because they are built with all the things you need

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<v Speaker 2>to succeed in tournament basketball. They got good guard play,

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<v Speaker 2>they can shoot the three pointer, they can play defense,

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<v Speaker 2>and they got it. They got a good strong inside

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<v Speaker 2>interior game. And when you have those three things, oh

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<v Speaker 2>and they protect the rim. Well you know, so when

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<v Speaker 2>you have those elements, it allows you to, uh to

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<v Speaker 2>to be a matchup problem for a lot of teams.

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<v Speaker 2>Where there's not many teams where Clemson's gonna be they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a matchup problem. More teams are gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>a matchup with Clemson a problem with Clemson than the

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<v Speaker 2>other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>You say more so this would you say it's a

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<v Speaker 1>better condition for them now than this time of year ago.

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<v Speaker 1>In that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean again, you don't know what's gonna happen,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you were saying, that's why no coach you ever

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<v Speaker 2>hear no coach said they're just gonna roll through.

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<v Speaker 1>The term there's always air.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this team prepare? Does this team have what it

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<v Speaker 2>takes to make a run? Absolutely more so than last

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<v Speaker 2>year's team did, which made a run. I think this

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<v Speaker 2>team when you look at the offense and efficiency numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Kim Palm had this out yesterday and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>here are the teams that the last twenty five years

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<v Speaker 2>have won the national championship. Here's what their numbers are.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's like seven or eight teams this year that

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<v Speaker 2>fit that same description, Clemson is one of those teams. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying Clemson's gonna go win the national championship,

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<v Speaker 2>but what it tells me is because of the way

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<v Speaker 2>Clemson plays on offense, because of the way Clemson plays

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<v Speaker 2>on defense, they do both very well in the top

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<v Speaker 2>thirty in both areas. I think because of that, it

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<v Speaker 2>gives them a chance to go far. According to what

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Thomas saying, gives them a chance to go far

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<v Speaker 2>in the tournament like it has teams before them. And

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<v Speaker 2>so with that said, if there's only eight teams that

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<v Speaker 2>match these numbers, then you're looking Clemson as should be

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<v Speaker 2>an the lead eighteam at worst case scenario, right and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe and then if you get to that far, then

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<v Speaker 2>you got a chance to get to the final four

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<v Speaker 2>and then do some special things with that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know coach Brownell, he said take it one

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<v Speaker 2>game at a time, and that's what they're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>But John, I really like this basketball team. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they got a chance to be really really good and

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<v Speaker 2>go on deep runt here in this postseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, quickly, I want to get your about one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty second thoughts on the Steelers and primarily what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with quarterback. Russell Wilson's a free agent. Justin

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<v Speaker 1>Field is a free agent. The season ended in typical

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<v Speaker 1>Steeler fashion. Get a good, competitive team not quite equipped

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<v Speaker 1>to pass the torch to a guy that's ready to

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<v Speaker 1>be the quarterback of the future. Do you think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the route or is it the veteran route, or is

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<v Speaker 1>it Russell Wilson all over again? Where are you at

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<v Speaker 1>right now? With these Steelers.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, well, I don't think Russell Wilson's happening. Everything I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading that's gonna be justin Fields. That's gonna they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>keep because they're looking at the future. However, justin Fields

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<v Speaker 2>isn't the answer either. I can tell you that right now. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll he'll be a placeholder this year. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>any expectations for this team to do anything next year.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm thinking probably I'm gonna go ahead and say this,

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<v Speaker 2>this will be the first losing season. It might be

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<v Speaker 2>wow and y' and they'll probably at best win six games.

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<v Speaker 1>What I call the this is vintage Vandervoord. There really

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<v Speaker 1>a new segment, vintage Vandervard. We bring out like a

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<v Speaker 1>cabdet vintage vander Word. And I mean that sincerely is

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<v Speaker 1>a compliment because under Cell over perform and keep your

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<v Speaker 1>expectations because the Steelers look it ain't like the Panther

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<v Speaker 1>where it's been ten straight losing seasons, but that ten

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<v Speaker 1>win stuff's got to get a little tired after a while.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't blame you for going in. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens draft around the corner, and maybe Jackson Dark

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I don't know. I mean, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you never know if a rookie could come in and

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<v Speaker 2>if he's got I mean, there are pieces in place

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<v Speaker 2>for the Steelers to be successful, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how much we're in place. And I just right now

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<v Speaker 2>had no level of confidence if this team could do

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<v Speaker 2>anything they need to. They need to get a high

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<v Speaker 2>level quarterback. You know, they made the mistakes several years

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<v Speaker 2>ago when they could have gotten Lamar Jackson. Instead, they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to hurt Ben Roethlisberger's feelings and they let

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<v Speaker 2>him go get drafted by the Ravens, fighting them in

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<v Speaker 2>the butt twofold if you will, and you know so,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they're gonna do, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if they only

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<v Speaker 2>go six and eleven and get a top ten draft pick,

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<v Speaker 2>where maybe they can go get themselves a franchise quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, Steelers Vintage Vandervoar had brought to you by a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of beers. Will Vandivore clips it insider. It's great

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<v Speaker 1>to catch up with you, man. Let's do it in

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<v Speaker 1>studio soon. But come see us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, man, that's fun too, Yeah, try to do that.