1 00:00:18,559 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,640 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,120 Federalist and your experienced shurpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,320 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:36,600 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, 6 00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:40,119 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,200 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:43,679 --> 00:00:48,679 Our guest today is the great Tim Graham, executive editor 9 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:53,479 of NewsBusters and host of the NewsBusters podcast. Tim, thank 10 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,679 you so much for joining us on this edition of 11 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:56,840 the Federalist Radio Hour. 12 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,079 Speaker 2: Oh my pleasure. 13 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: Well, do we have a lot to talk. I don't 14 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,319 know if we'll have enough time to get to it all. 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,680 There's certainly fertile ground when it comes to the corporate media. 16 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,439 It's fertile ground because it is fertilized so well in 17 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:18,680 corporate media. You folks at NewsBusters have done just an 18 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:24,040 absolutely fabulous job over many decades now tracking the bias 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,680 in the corporate accomplice media. Let me start here, Tim, 20 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:34,680 if I could. After the results were pretty clear. On 21 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,680 November fifth, twenty twenty four, the President Donald Trump would 22 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:45,840 be president Donald Trump again. You heard some calls for 23 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,560 a kind of mia kulpa from some corners of the 24 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,280 accomplice media, and some were saying, you know, we really 25 00:01:56,319 --> 00:02:00,719 should take a lesson from how we covered this election, 26 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,760 how we've covered Donald Trump, how we've covered the mega 27 00:02:03,799 --> 00:02:07,439 movement in this country for the last several years, and 28 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,759 we need to be more honest with ourselves and with 29 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,840 our countrymen. I don't know if it was that dramatic, 30 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,719 but I heard some of those things. I also heard 31 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,360 right before the election from a big wig in corporate 32 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,319 media that if Donald Trump wins, corporate media is effectively 33 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,039 irrelevant because it failed its job to knock off Donald Trump. 34 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:33,560 So let me ask you this. Eighty eight days now, 35 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,120 coming up on the first one hundred days of the 36 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:41,759 Trump second presidency, has the corporate mainstream so called mainstream 37 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,159 media learned anything. 38 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:47,159 Speaker 2: No easy answer. 39 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's natural after an election for people to say, well, 40 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:52,759 we got it wrong. 41 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: This wasn't the way we expected it to turn out. 42 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: Or maybe they did, but they didn't want it to 43 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,960 turn out this way, so you sometimes do this. 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: Well, let's take a look back and see what we did. 45 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: Obviously, I think with this result they felt bad that 46 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:12,719 the Democrats didn't get rid of Biden sooner, but this 47 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:17,039 is what they were left with. So certainly you can't say, 48 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,120 when you look at the coverage of Donald Trump in 49 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:25,240 these first eighty nine days, that he's gotten anything approaching respect, fairness, balance, 50 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:30,840 none of that. The news seems designed to make sure 51 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,599 the messaging is like ninety to ninety five percent negative. 52 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,680 I mean, when you watch ABC or CBS or PBS 53 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,360 or NBC, you're going to get an overwhelmingly negative message. 54 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,400 So just for example, the most recent one that we 55 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,879 noted that they had done sixty five minutes on kilmar 56 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:56,000 Abrego Garcia wrongfully deported, basically turning him into some sort 57 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:03,680 of hero. Maryland band deported zero second for the trial 58 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,960 of the killer of Rachel Morin in Maryland. They're both 59 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:11,520 Maryland stories. One got sixty five minutes, one got zero. 60 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:14,360 And I think it's that kind of what we might 61 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,120 call in quotes news judgment that's worth questioning. And of 62 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,439 course that's just it's been several days since we did 63 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,399 that number, so there's probably another twenty minutes of kill 64 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:27,600 maar overkill. 65 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: Indeed, Maryland man I mean, really, I think that if 66 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:38,120 any story does, and there are so many, and we'll 67 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,399 get to others, but if any story does denote just 68 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:48,959 how in the bag this so called resistance movement media is. 69 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:56,120 It's the kill mar Garcia story. They did all kinds 70 00:04:56,199 --> 00:05:00,399 of coverage, you know, trying to do their very best 71 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:04,079 to vilify the Trump administration for its decision to deport 72 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,839 this guy. And then all of a sudden you have 73 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,879 information that the story that the surprise surprise that the 74 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,920 Provdpress has been selling you isn't true. This guy really 75 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,720 was a threat. There's documentation showing that he is indeed, 76 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,560 or at the time was in MS thirteen gang member. 77 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,160 He has a domestic violence record, it appears based on 78 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,439 a restraining order that was filed against him by his 79 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:39,279 own wife. Yet here they are doubling down, and we 80 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,399 have hypocrites like Chris van Holland getting all of this 81 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,720 attention for this bid flight to l Salvador. For the 82 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:52,800 love of God, do the American people see through this? 83 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:54,120 I guess that's the question. 84 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,319 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think they're you know, unless you're really 85 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,759 following things, you're probably not getting these new details on 86 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:07,279 Abrego Garcia you're not getting the details about the restraining order. 87 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,560 You're not getting the details about the gang membership. They 88 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,160 have photos of him with the gang members wearing the 89 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:14,879 same stuff the gang members were wearing. 90 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it is a kind of a weird story. 91 00:06:19,519 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: And especially Yeah, the senator from Maryland, who the mother 92 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:27,399 of Rachel Morn came to the White House to speak 93 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:31,920 in the briefing room. He's never spoken to her, you know, 94 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:35,720 but he's flying down to El Salvador to meet with 95 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,800 poor gang member. I guess they were having Margarita's. But 96 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,759 it is really puzzling. And if this is a political 97 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,680 mistake for the Democrats, it's a mistake that's enabled by 98 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,399 the Democrat media. And that's the media bias compounds upon 99 00:06:55,439 --> 00:07:00,240 itself that Democrats make choices based on the way that 100 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:04,519 their media will support them. I mean, and this sort 101 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,959 of understands at some level why you would say, Gee, 102 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:09,120 they didn't seem to have the effect they wanted in 103 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,480 the twenty twenty four election. Yes, you have a large 104 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,920 number of Americans who do not trust the legacy media. 105 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,519 Gallup poll keeps finding the lowest numbers they've ever found, 106 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:25,639 and that's obviously not just Republicans, it is independence. Independence 107 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:26,720 can smell this comment. 108 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:33,399 Speaker 1: Well, what is abundantly fascinating to me is that if 109 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:37,480 you look at the two biggest issues heading into the 110 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:41,439 twenty twenty four election, they repeatedly come back. Obviously it's 111 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,399 always the economy, and certainly it was inflation the high 112 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,319 price of things at the time, but it was also 113 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,839 number two on that list every time was illegal immigration, 114 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,040 the border crisis. And man, you really have Democrats doubling 115 00:07:56,079 --> 00:07:59,079 down in the policy and right there you have their 116 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:06,000 public relations agents in corporate media feeding these narratives all 117 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:11,360 for you know, the quest to diminish Donald Trump, which 118 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:14,040 they have been doing for a very long time. But 119 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:19,480 what Donald Trump is doing is exactly what Americans voted for. 120 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,639 The polls keep showing that. So why, I guess, why 121 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,639 do they keep doubling down on this when America Americans 122 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:34,120 clearly have a different agenda than the corporate media and 123 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:34,960 the Democrats. 124 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, coverage of Donald Trump in the second term isn't 125 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:43,360 much different than coverage of Donald Trump at this time 126 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:46,759 in twenty seventeen. This is where you could say, if 127 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:49,279 they learned anything is that they basically use all the 128 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,559 same Trumps they use all the same language, they find 129 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,399 all the same quote unquote experts, and they're trying to 130 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,240 sell these same messages. He's a racist, he's a fascist, 131 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,200 he's a dictator here. They're just they keep doing that. 132 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,480 And so what this really shows is, yes, the way 133 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,519 that news is selected by anecdote. So they'll say Rachel 134 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,639 Morin or Lenken Riley doesn't matter because that's just an anecdote. 135 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:18,159 It doesn't reflect the wider picture. So they'll try to say, 136 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:23,240 there are so many virtuous migrants, it's unfair to tag 137 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,120 the one murderer or rapist, whether even when the victim's 138 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:31,000 a twelve year old girl like Joscelyn nunger Ay, that's 139 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,639 just sensational as tabloid stuff. And yet yes, they're going 140 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,600 to take we have a mass deportation going on. They're 141 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,360 going to say, let's find one person, one anecdote and 142 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,159 hammer a hammer at hammering. And yes, I think the 143 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,759 people are like, well, why'd you choose this one? It 144 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:51,200 doesn't sound like you did a good job of choosing. 145 00:09:53,399 --> 00:09:56,159 Speaker 2: But they never wanted to acknowledge that what the Biden 146 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,919 campaign or what the Biden administration was doing was a 147 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,679 mass importation. 148 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: Trump promised a mass deportation. The media never described this board. 149 00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:10,200 They couldn't call it a border crisis. They got mad 150 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,519 when you call it a border crisis, maybe because it 151 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:14,360 was something. 152 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: They had planned to do, it was their policy. 153 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. They got mad for several years through 154 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,639 the brunt of the Biden administration. If you called Joe 155 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:32,960 Biden cognitively incompetent, a man who clearly appeared to be 156 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:41,039 in the throes of, you know, a serious mental downfall, 157 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,279 a serious dementia. But the cover up was there for 158 00:10:45,799 --> 00:10:52,159 so long. To the economy. You folks did a fantastic 159 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,600 report on this. Recently, I reported on it in the Federalist. 160 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,440 The headline is report shows network News maximum slant on 161 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,759 Trump tariffs. There's that other big issue of the economy 162 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,480 and the agenda, whether you support it or not, whether 163 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,879 you're queasy understandably so about the volatility in the stock 164 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,879 market that the tariffs have caused, the trade wars have caused. 165 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:23,840 The coverage has been blatantly one sided, as one would 166 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,000 expect from the corporate media against Donald Trump. Some of 167 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,600 the numbers are extremely telling, but the one that really 168 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:36,039 stands out, Tim is that you have the corporate media 169 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:43,039 covering the hair on fire coverage of the tariffs and 170 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:49,879 the markets sixty five times more coverage on that over 171 00:11:49,919 --> 00:11:52,879 a twenty four hour period than on the same day 172 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:58,000 when you had this tremendous news about a surge in 173 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:03,720 hiring two hundred twenty eight thousand jobs in March, and 174 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:08,039 yet the storyline was tariffs, tariffs, tariffs. Now it's interesting 175 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,399 to me the tariff story for whatever reason, and I 176 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,159 know some of them, it's gone away in the main. 177 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:21,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing I liked the best was the job's 178 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,399 number comes out. I believe it was ABC that didn't 179 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,720 even do a story. They didn't even mention the job's numbers. 180 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:29,639 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. 181 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: NBC really stuck out because they did nine seconds Unlesser 182 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,960 halted in this where where he said something to the 183 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,320 effect of even the jobs numbers failed to stop the 184 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,200 stock market slide, and in the background on screen are 185 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,120 the words Trump, tariff meltdown. 186 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,519 Speaker 2: It's like, subtlety is not what they do. 187 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:58,039 Speaker 1: No, subtle subtlety is never The corporate media is strong, 188 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:02,000 so that's for sure, but you know it's it's it's 189 00:13:02,039 --> 00:13:05,879 just remarkable. You see over and over again the pounding 190 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,879 of this message, and it raises the question how responsible 191 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:15,519 is the irresponsible prov depress to the travails that we face, 192 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,080 particularly on the economy and the signals sent to the 193 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:20,840 stock market. 194 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 3: Well, obviously there is turbulence here in the with the markets, 195 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:33,240 and it seems to me, yeah, a lot of flippity floppity. 196 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,919 Where is he today with the president, I'm deciding, you know, well, 197 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,759 now I'm going to put a ninety day pause. Okay, 198 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:41,480 now the market's really liked a ninety day pause. But 199 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:45,919 it's so these are facts. You know, the president seeing 200 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,080 something is a fact. The market's doing what they do 201 00:13:49,159 --> 00:13:52,720 as a fact. But again, so much of it is. 202 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,799 Then there's a whole bunch of this crystal ball speculation 203 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:59,320 about how there's a meltdown everything, We're going to have 204 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,440 more inflation, we're going to have a recession. Remember we 205 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,240 had two consecutive quarters a negative GDP, right, and they 206 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:08,399 all ran around saying it's not a recession. I mean, 207 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,519 so that's where you just have to say, when you 208 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:18,240 watch the nightly news, it's not reporting, its messaging. It's 209 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:21,759 like a negative campaign commercial. That's the way it comes 210 00:14:21,799 --> 00:14:24,120 across to me. And so then we had the same 211 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:27,200 thing with the inflation number where it was actually declined 212 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,639 zero point one percent, and they gave it like eighteen seconds. 213 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:34,080 But even three networks and one of them didn't cover 214 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:34,440 it at all. 215 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 4: And you just say, how do you expect anybody to 216 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:45,559 take you seriously in terms of managing information, because it's 217 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:50,000 extremely calculated what they decide to present and especially what 218 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:51,240 they decided not to present. 219 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 5: The argument of Wall Street versus Main Street is a 220 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:01,879 pile of nonsense. The watch Dout on Wall Street podcast 221 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:04,840 with Chris Markowski every day Chris helps unpack the connection 222 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,679 between politics and the economy and how it affects your wallet. 223 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:10,600 The stock market was all over the place due to 224 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:14,559 the expected tariffs, and guess what, Wall Street still made money. 225 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:16,200 Mom and pop stores. 226 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:17,279 Speaker 1: Weren't even affected. 227 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 5: Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street, 228 00:15:19,399 --> 00:15:20,600 it's affecting you financially. 229 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: Be informed. 230 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:23,399 Speaker 5: Check out the watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 231 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,080 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 232 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,279 Speaker 1: Is this reporting for twenty twenty six? Ultimately, that is 233 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,159 to say, the messaging for twenty twenty six it is 234 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:43,360 constantly to borrow a phrase from the Trump administration flooding 235 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:46,480 the zone with negative coverage of Trump, the MAGA movement, 236 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:49,600 and Republicans in general, because we see the same kind 237 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:54,039 of coverage of Congress, the Republican control of Congress. Is 238 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,639 this just messaging for twenty twenty six and the hope 239 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:05,559 against hope by Democrats that and their accomplished media that 240 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:08,840 Democrats will take over the House at the very least 241 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:10,720 coming up in twenty twenty six. 242 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: Well, that's surely the hope, you know. 243 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: I feel like though, you know, we have elections and 244 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:20,960 then the media tries to run the country in between 245 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,360 the elections. So part of the reason for the negative 246 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,159 coverage is to just try to curtail the power of 247 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:29,480 the Republicans, is to try to say, you can't do this, 248 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:31,919 and you can't do that, You'll get murdered in the press. 249 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,320 And of course for many years the Republicans would do that. 250 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,080 When they made their political calculations, they had to calculate, well, 251 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,559 can we do this because the press is going to 252 00:16:43,639 --> 00:16:46,440 hammer us if we take this, you know, decision A. 253 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,679 So let's take the less controversial path, decision B. This 254 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:52,720 is what the media wants, you know, this is what 255 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,200 we going way back to the nineteen eighty You know, 256 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,120 when I started at MRC in nineteen eighty nine, George A. H. W. Bush, 257 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:04,119 this is what he did well, Well, got to raise taxes, 258 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,359 you know, we got to do stuff that the media 259 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,000 thinks is responsible. Yes, And then of course what happened 260 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:12,839 in ninety two is Bill Clinton comes out and. 261 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:15,759 Speaker 6: Goes, George Bush, rice your taxes. You know that it 262 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:19,039 was used against him, you know, because that's what they do. 263 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:24,400 So yeah, it's it is about twenty six, but it's 264 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,559 also about today. And look, the Democrat Party's numbers. 265 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: Are terrible right now, which is not something they want 266 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,440 to share with you. One of the terms that makes 267 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,839 me giggle right now is you can see it they 268 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,400 use this term. 269 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: It's like, is there a vibe shift? Because good lord, 270 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,559 they're looking for a vibe shift. 271 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: How many times did we have to hear the word 272 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,160 vibe with Kamala Harris because that's all they had was 273 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,319 this empty idea of vibes And they kept telling us 274 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,319 that's the thing that I just don't understand, over and 275 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,119 over again. And it ties back into what you just 276 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,920 said to him. They keep telling us over and over again. 277 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,799 Things that are patently not true, things that Americans should 278 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:13,519 feel but don't feel, over and over again. And what 279 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:18,359 I don't understand is why Republicans, for the love of 280 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,319 God ever listen to this blather and Republicans in power 281 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,680 and they do. They still come crawling to the New 282 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:29,680 York Times and the Washington Post and CNN and ABC. 283 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:30,960 Why do they do it? 284 00:18:32,759 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I know there's a lot of people, a lot 285 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,079 of Republicans and conservatives who's say you really shouldn't engage 286 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,880 with the press. On the other hand, you know, Trump 287 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,079 engages with the press constantly. 288 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,079 Speaker 1: Yes, And it's. 289 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: True that he gets zero credit for that. You know, 290 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,599 Joe Biden, that team wouldn't put him in front of anybody, 291 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,039 and he was never anti press, you know. You know, 292 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,720 So what you'd want to say is, I think that 293 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:05,359 Republicans should try to engage on these networks if you 294 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,720 come in with a certain understanding of you know, what's 295 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:12,079 going to be discussed. You know, I mean, you being 296 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,799 one and I don't know if you want to set conditions, 297 00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:17,279 but you clearly want to signal to your interviewer here's 298 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:19,759 what's going to happen, Here's what I'm going to say 299 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:23,160 if you try that, so that they're not surprised. But 300 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,000 I mean it's very clear. Yes, well, you watch the 301 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:32,400 Sunday shows, you know that they have a Republican on 302 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,680 and the host, whether it's Margaret Brannan, it's Kristen Welker, 303 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,279 it's Martha Ratt's whoever it is Deafnopolis, the Republican gets 304 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:44,119 hammer and tongs and then they're like, and here comes 305 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,920 Bernie Sanders, how are you did you comb your hair today? 306 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:52,160 I mean, it's it is very much a different approach 307 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,240 they take. And so what I'd like is Republicans to 308 00:19:56,319 --> 00:19:59,880 take the interview and be combative, you know, channel some 309 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,279 Scott Jenny's let them have it. 310 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely. The answer, by the way, to your question is no, 311 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:09,960 Bernie Sanders did not Collis yet today, and he didn't 312 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,160 comss Harry yesterday. 313 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 2: And I'm likely that they're all in with the with 314 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:15,680 Bernie's vibe. 315 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: But you know, Bernie's vibe is is uh, I'm still alive. 316 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:24,400 That's what Bernie's vibe is. 317 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: The New York Times is out there going, you know, 318 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,279 AOC and Bernie electrify the Democrats. It's like, well, maybe 319 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:33,079 they're electrocuting the Democrats. 320 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:34,519 Speaker 2: But you know you do you. 321 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,759 Speaker 1: Well, uh, there there are times when I wonder I 322 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:42,880 look over and Bernie's, you know, sitting preparing to climb 323 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,000 up to the stage and give his usual you know 324 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:51,519 Bernie talk whether they need to electrify him as bring 325 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:54,440 in the paddles and see if this guy is still there. 326 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,759 We are having a conversation with the great Tim Graham, 327 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,839 executive editor of NewsBusters and host of the NewsBusters podcast, 328 00:21:05,079 --> 00:21:09,839 obviously talking about the built in bias of the corporate media. 329 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,960 It is clear to anyone with eyes and ears that's 330 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,880 what we're dealing with. I want to talk about repercussions. 331 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:24,039 Is there will there be accountability for this nonsense that 332 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,039 we've seen for so long. Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr, 333 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:35,039 of course, recently took aim at Comcast, accusing the media 334 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:40,880 giants news outlets of misleading the American people, particularly on 335 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:47,079 this kilmar Garcia front the Maryland Man story. He said 336 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:52,119 this in part, when the truth comes out, they ignore it. Comcast, 337 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,839 that is, Car wrote ont X. Comcast knows that federal 338 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:01,200 law requires its licensed operations to serve the public interest. 339 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,720 News distortion doesn't cut it. It is clear to me 340 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,640 that this is news distortion. What do you think about 341 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,960 that characterization and what do you think about the consequences 342 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:16,279 for news distortion? 343 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm going to agree with Brendan Carr 344 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:25,079 on that. I think what's really funny is that, you know, 345 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,200 the FCC has a very narrow charter. It is to 346 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,880 regulate the broadcast networks. Now, obviously people get their news 347 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:36,480 on cable, they get their news all over the internet, 348 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:40,279 and the FCC is only responsible for the broadcast media. 349 00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:44,039 But you know, brand Carr is doing something different, and 350 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:47,319 he is you know, it's the same interesting thing he 351 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,559 was doing about the underwriting announcements on NPR and PBS 352 00:22:50,599 --> 00:22:51,880 and calling that into question. 353 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I know when. 354 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: I watch the PBS News Hour, they have commercials at 355 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,279 the start of the show. You can call them an 356 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:03,119 underwriting an at but they look like a commercial, yes, 357 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,680 you know. And of course the liberals are all like, oh, 358 00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:08,160 you want to take away our federal funding and call 359 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,319 us out on the underwriting. 360 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:11,599 Speaker 2: You're so unfair. 361 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: But obviously, yeah, obviously the news media thinks that the 362 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:22,119 public interest quote unquote is you know, is them whatever 363 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,839 they think is the public interest. They lecture the public, 364 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,640 tell the public what to think and say. You know, 365 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,519 they are the public interest. You know, they define what 366 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:35,079 the public interest is and you just have to accept it. 367 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: On that front, we had a very interesting hearing, a 368 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:49,160 dose hearing on public broadcasting on National Public Radio, in 369 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,440 which it was one of the weirdest moments I think 370 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,960 of any congressional hearing I've ever seen, where you have 371 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,000 the CEO of NPI are talking about how fair and 372 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,599 balanced it is striving to be as they roll out 373 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:12,079 tweet after tweet, it's Marxist, leftist woman talking about, you know, 374 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,000 burning down the government and you know, the righteousness of 375 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:20,559 the Black Lives Matter of movement and how much she 376 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,079 hates Donald Trump and all of this sort of stuff. 377 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:33,680 Do you think NPR and public television will survive funding 378 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:35,519 cuts in the future. 379 00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: Well, they would survive defunding because you know, it's so 380 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,880 funny that the NPR runs around and Stay says, we 381 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,119 only get one percent of our funding directly from the 382 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:46,920 federal government. 383 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: Okay, let's take away your federal funding. We'll die. Well, 384 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,720 all our stations will close. You know, it's like you 385 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:57,079 got to pick one. But it's Yeah. 386 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 3: The funniest part of that hearing I was, I was 387 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,599 in the front oh, like Bob Buker, the. 388 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: Uh yes, yes, yes, bless her soul. 389 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,039 Speaker 2: Yes, Mike, I'm a Brewer fan. That's got to come out. 390 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: Mike Gonzalez from Heritage invited me and we had we 391 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,599 worked together in these issues, and so I was right 392 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,319 there in the front row when she's when NPR CEO said, 393 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,759 I've never found any example of political bias, and it's like, well, 394 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:26,160 the answer to that is you've never listened to it. 395 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,160 You're the CEO of it, but you've never turned it 396 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,799 on ever, you know. And now she did. She did 397 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:35,960 a they did an interview with NPR did an interview 398 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,000 with their own CEO on Wednesday night, and she said, well, 399 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,200 Marjorie Taylor Green said you can hate us on your 400 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,599 own dime, to which you say, what and mar says, 401 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:50,119 we don't hate anyone in public media. It's like, okay, 402 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,559 let's list all the examples. 403 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:51,839 Speaker 1: Now. 404 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: You know, just last week, I'm listening to NPR in 405 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,119 my car and they have this artist who painted Michelle 406 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Obama's portrait for the government, and she called herself a 407 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:06,759 counter terrorist against people who oppose DEI and that's where 408 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:10,200 you're just like that would seem hateful to me to 409 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,359 describe the Conservatives as terrorists. 410 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: What an absolute bubble in which they exist? It is, 411 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:22,200 it is, It is amazing. So all of that said, 412 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,359 you poor man, your job. Your job requires you to 413 00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,920 listen to a great deal of National public radio. It 414 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,200 requires you to watch a great deal of the pabulum 415 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:38,839 that is broadcast as news but is truly messaging. But 416 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,799 I think it's incumbent on all of us to get 417 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,799 news from both sides and certainly see what the PR 418 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:52,079 agents for the Democratic Party are doing. But man, do 419 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,440 you get casually paid for your work? How does that 420 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,759 all work out? Yeah? 421 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: We always do it, you know, since I started in 422 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,880 nineteen eighty nine, have always sort of it's been my uh. 423 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,920 I've taken this on NPR and PBS because it's always 424 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,920 upset me that they take tax money to put on 425 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,079 all this leftist broadcasting. The idea that there's something unique 426 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:22,039 or different than MSNBC is wrong. Nprs MSNBC, PBS is MSNBC, 427 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,960 and which just not necessary for that reason. And the 428 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:29,000 thing that upsets me the most is it's defined as public. 429 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,680 So when they go to the post the posters go 430 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,680 to the people and say, well, do you find public 431 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,559 broadcasting credible? And they just hear the words and go 432 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:41,759 must be uh, And that's that's upsetting. So yes, I 433 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:46,240 mean we have that Doge committee got so much paper 434 00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:51,319 from us or or so much so many links, and 435 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,200 some of them were used in the hearing. But I mean, 436 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,599 it's it's it's unquestionable that these are left wing propaganda networks. 437 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,240 And yet this is why when the Democrats got a 438 00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,440 chance to question, they ask stupid questions about whether Elmo 439 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:09,559 is a communist because he's read. You can't seriously say 440 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,640 they're not helping the Democrats. The Democrats know. 441 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: That, Oh it is ridiculous, It really is. And I 442 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,599 guess my question to you before let me rephrase it, 443 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,000 because I didn't mean it in the way that will 444 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,200 NPR and PPS survive. I don't care if NPR and 445 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,000 PBS survive. If they do, I want them to survive 446 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,640 without my tax dollars. That's I guess. The question is 447 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,440 will these Republicans have the courage finally to say, nope, 448 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,160 we're cutting off the spigot. You are weaned off the 449 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,759 teat will they have the kahone is to do that. 450 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,559 Speaker 3: Well, you could say, well, gee, it didn't happen in 451 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:56,519 the first Trunk term when the Republicans had control. I mean, 452 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,599 they just wasn't a push like this. You been seeing 453 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,079 this since New Gingrich came in nineteen ninety five, and 454 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:08,480 they were hearings about PBS and NPR, and I do remember, 455 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:12,039 I think Nancy Pelosi was there and Nita Loewi and 456 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:15,799 one of them had puppets, Sesame Street puppets on their hands, 457 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,039 and they always have the same they always have the 458 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:23,519 same defense. But so, I mean, I think it's I'm 459 00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:27,000 generally pessimistic about these things, but this really is I 460 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:32,240 think the closest we've ever been, in part because the 461 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:33,799 Congress is going to listen to the president. 462 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,519 Speaker 2: President's been quite clear. 463 00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,759 Speaker 3: The President the White House put out a statement full 464 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,680 of links about NPR and PBS. 465 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: We some of them are ours, a lot of them 466 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,279 were not. 467 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 3: But they were all demonstrations of just how tilted to 468 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,039 the left, and especially on the culture issues NPR and 469 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:51,720 PBS are. 470 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,119 Speaker 2: And so I think it's possible. I feel like the 471 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,160 House will pass it. 472 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: Here's what worries me, Lisa markows D, you know, Susan Collins. 473 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,079 You know, it's when you start counting to fifty in 474 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,400 the Senate where you can get nervous. It's not a 475 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,119 mistake that these people dragged out the CEO of Alaska 476 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,720 Public Broadcasting to the hearing and all over their networks, 477 00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:20,440 trying to claim somehow that Alaska weirdly, somehow doesn't have 478 00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:23,480 any private media. That's the way it sounds like, you'll 479 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,480 never hear anything. There's no news in Alaska. There's no 480 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,920 newspapers in Alaska. Apparently there's no television stations in Alaska 481 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,799 except the public ones. I mean, that's that's the kind 482 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,599 of sound that they're putting out and it's not true. 483 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,799 But you know they always do this. Once again, you 484 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880 go back to nineteen ninety five, sixty minutes to a 485 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,359 story all about how the radio station in sit Alaska 486 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,079 will close. You know, they always use the same playbook, 487 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,359 and that's probably because, well, it's worked before. So we 488 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:59,240 shall see whether we'll get enough Republicans. 489 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: In the Senate. I think that is the question. 490 00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,559 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, Tim, but after 491 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,279 they deported and rightly so, Ernie from Sesame Street. The 492 00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:17,200 media billed him as a marilynd Man. So the messaging 493 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,200 is still there. If you tie Sesame Street into anything, 494 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,599 you can have a successful message. Let's talk about corporate 495 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,519 media again, and we talk about PBS and NPR and 496 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:39,559 you know, federal funding. That's not really corporate media. Although 497 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:46,039 we have found out, thankfully through the DOGE that corporate 498 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,440 media outlets have received a whole lot of taxpayer money 499 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,880 in very expensive subscriptions. Those apparently are going away, but 500 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,079 the numbers tim are dismal for or the accomplish media. 501 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:07,279 How long can they hang on in their current form 502 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,319 based on what we're seeing in terms of ratings. 503 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:14,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. 504 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,839 Speaker 3: The danger there, I guess, Matt is they'll be like, well, 505 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,839 if the network news goes away, what you're going to 506 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,480 do at NewsBusters. You've always joked we'd find something else 507 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,160 to do. But back in the nineteen nineties they said, well, 508 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,759 the network news casts they're not going to last. Well 509 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:39,079 they're still on. They are still dominant. Even though their 510 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:44,160 dominance is numerically smaller, they are still the dominant game 511 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,160 in defining what the public issues are. 512 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:49,359 Speaker 1: Now. 513 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: What's interesting, yes, is to some extent as a business proposition, 514 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:55,160 they're not doing great. 515 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: You know. 516 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 3: This is why Jeff Bezos will make these noises about 517 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:03,119 how he's going to do this or that. The reporters 518 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,960 at these newspapers simply do not care about the business, 519 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,279 you know. They treat this like it's a commune for 520 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,799 their wokeness, and they get very upset when the owner 521 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,720 of the newspaper tries to set a policy. Now, the 522 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,880 weird thing about Bezos is that he'll set a policy 523 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,880 and then there's no proof it actually exists, you know. So, yes, 524 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,480 they didn't put out an editorial explicitly endorsed Kamala Harris, 525 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,720 but they put out seventy five anti Trump editorials that 526 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:35,920 let you know what they think. 527 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 5: You know. 528 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,279 Speaker 2: So I haven't seen this dramatic shift on the Washington 529 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,480 Post editorial page where it's all free markets. 530 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: But you know, you have people like David Folkenflick at 531 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:53,480 NPR who whose job is to report from the woke 532 00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:57,160 news centers at these papers and say, you know, Bezos 533 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,200 is ruining everything soon showing it. Los Angeles Times is 534 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,599 ruining everything, you know, because they are trying to be 535 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:08,559 a little less woke. The wokeness is what's going to 536 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,199 cost them the profits, but they just don't want to 537 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:11,800 accept it. 538 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: That raises a good point. How much do our JA schools? 539 00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:23,159 How much do these public and private universities across the country, 540 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,840 How much do they have because it seems like they 541 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:32,639 are raising the next generation of you know, liberal Democrat 542 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,400 party Marxist over and over again. I think about Taylor 543 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,639 Lorenz and the story you know this week, the story 544 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,239 of the former New York Times Washington Post reporter and 545 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,360 her you know girl fan crushing on, you know, an 546 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,960 alleged cold blooded murderer. Where have we gone to in 547 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:58,199 America where we have these kinds of journalists with such 548 00:34:58,199 --> 00:34:58,920 a platform. 549 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and Taylor the Renz worked at the 550 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:05,039 New York Times and the Washington Post. I think she 551 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:09,119 was trouble for both of them. But you're absolutely right 552 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:14,639 that what are the journalism schools turning out? And yes, 553 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,519 you know, in these cases where these woke caucuses are 554 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:19,920 trying to take things over. You can hear it in 555 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:25,320 Uri Berliner's expose of NPR. These are young people. They 556 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,840 come in with their pink hair and their non binary 557 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,960 or whatever, and they change, try to change everything, and 558 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,039 they're not. They don't believe in structure or authority. You know, 559 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:40,039 they don't care what the owner thinks. They don't care 560 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,000 what the publisher thinks. They probably don't care what the 561 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,960 editor in chief thinks. They think they're running these media 562 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,719 outlets to the extent that they can get away with it. 563 00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:53,519 But you know, yes, I think we should suggest the 564 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,760 Columbia Journalism School not sending people in to be fair 565 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,840 and objective, any of the real prestigious journalism schools, Metal 566 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,000 and Northwestern, whatever it may be. 567 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: They are. 568 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,079 Speaker 2: You know, they're not sending. 569 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,599 Speaker 3: Anybody who's committed to any sort of old fashioned ideal. 570 00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: You know, journalists, what do they aspire to do? They 571 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:19,159 aspire to change the world. 572 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 3: They don't aspire to report, because, let's face it, to them, 573 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:28,920 reporting is boring. Reporting is somehow just by reporting what's happening. 574 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,440 It's like, you know, not not engaging with the world, 575 00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:38,840 you know. So uh, you know, journalism schools are any problem. 576 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,639 They are not a solution, and that should be questioned. 577 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:47,679 But you know, the journalism school professors, when you see 578 00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,400 them on cable, you're just like Jeff Jarvis, you know. 579 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,599 Speaker 2: It's like, whoa you know, this is what people are 580 00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:55,280 being taught. 581 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: I just don't understand how they continue to have jobs 582 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,239 because these the people they're hiring are the people that 583 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:08,920 they're counting on to save them from ruin. That is 584 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,760 to say, the owners, the publishers, CEOs of these organizations 585 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,239 to keep making the same mistakes over and over again 586 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,440 to their economic peril. It would be one thing. You know, 587 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,000 maybe it's maybe it's for some of these guys. It 588 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:29,000 seemed to me Basos in Washington Posts that yeah, you 589 00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,079 buy the Washington Post because it's kind of like you 590 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,079 buy the Atlanta Braves. You know. Ted Turner needed a 591 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:40,400 hobby and he liked baseball, so he bought a team. 592 00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:46,320 But that doesn't mean that most billionaires who buy franchises 593 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,280 don't want the franchises to be successful, at least economically speaking. 594 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,800 I don't know. It just seems to be a divorce 595 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,360 in that notion at places like The Washington Postcion and 596 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,199 New York Times and what happened you. But let's finish 597 00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:08,599 on this. Give you the old human resources question. It's 598 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:14,159 two parts. Where do you see this corporate media, this 599 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,840 accomplice media five ten years from now? Where do you 600 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,159 see Tim Graham, five ten years from now, you said, 601 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:29,599 you know, maybe if eventually these folks get the message, 602 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:34,039 they fully understand that they really do need to change 603 00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,280 their formula for what they've been doing, that it drives 604 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,960 a NewsBusters out of business. I don't think that will happen, 605 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,639 but you could be like the Department of Education, you know, 606 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:49,039 the secretary of the Department of Education, where she says, 607 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,039 you know, my job is to drive myself out of 608 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,719 a job. But where do you see all of this 609 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,800 going a decade from now. 610 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, once again, I think that it has changed, but. 611 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:04,079 Speaker 2: It's still the same. 612 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 3: In some ways. It does remind me Tom Brokaw, the 613 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:12,400 NBC incurrent the two thousand and four one of the conventions, 614 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,760 probably the Democrat convention. They're giving him an interview, and 615 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,679 I just always loved this point where he was like. 616 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:22,159 Speaker 2: Brent Bozell's trying to drive up our negatives. And this 617 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,519 is correct. 618 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 3: But I mean the other answer is NBC sees it 619 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,119 as their job to drive up the negatives of the Republicans, 620 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,119 and so it's two. 621 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,280 Speaker 2: Sides of the same coin. 622 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:41,119 Speaker 3: Maybe I am not the retiring tight retirement sounds boring. 623 00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:45,079 To me, So you know, I hope to still be 624 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,840 doing this ten years from now. Yeah, I don't think 625 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,719 that anybody is going to be more reasonable. You know, 626 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,840 Donald Trump has driven them all into a much more 627 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,679 hyper mode. I don't know how they're going to come 628 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,320 down off the roller coaster, but it'll be interesting to watch. 629 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,519 Speaker 1: You've left open. I think a question. I think that 630 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,519 we could spend a lot more time talking about we 631 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:21,960 don't have that time, but quickly, will this hyperbolic messaging 632 00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:25,559 service for the Democratic Party end up getting someone killed? 633 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,039 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not. 634 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 3: I am the sort of person who always says when 635 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,920 somebody shoot, somebody, blame the shooter. Conservatives generally believe you 636 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,679 blame the criminal and not his environment. And this is 637 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,559 the sad thing is that a lot of times the 638 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:50,039 liberal media goes looking to blame something on well Trump 639 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:55,559 caused this shooting, and when somebody shoots Trump, it's exactly 640 00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,519 the opposite. And you know, we are not going to 641 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,840 find out anything about this shooter. We're not interested. And 642 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,199 you know, it's the same thing obviously when they had 643 00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:08,199 the Softball shooting with Steve Scales nearly died, and it 644 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,039 was quite apparent that the shooter loved Rachel Maddow and 645 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:18,159 uncombed Bernie Sanders. And you know we didn't say Rachel 646 00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,360 Maddow shot the Republicans. 647 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 2: So I don't know. 648 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 3: I'll say this though, I don't think they've ever thought 649 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,320 this through of if we call him Hitler on a 650 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,280 daily basis, what might happen to him? 651 00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: Good point, Good point, Saul, Really appreciate your perspective. And 652 00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:43,400 you know you've done this for a long time. You've 653 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,639 seen a lot of things change. As you said, you've 654 00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:48,440 seen a lot of things stay the same. It is 655 00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:53,800 a remarkable industry, to say the least. These are remarkable times. 656 00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,800 Thanks to my guest today, Tim Graham, executive editor of 657 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,079 NewsBusters and host of the NewsBusters pot Cast. You've been 658 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,559 listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm 659 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:07,320 Matt Kittle's senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be 660 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,679 back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom 661 00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:31,119 and anxious for the Fray.