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Speaker 1: Rivera and with me today's Dave Silver here. Oh good, okay, cool, thanks,
Speaker 1: you're magical, mister meatball. Were good afternoon, everybody, Welcome to
Speaker 1: Tuesday's show. In with me again today is Dave Silver.
Speaker 1: Sorry for the lateness. We have Kobe at the board here.
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Speaker 1: guys want to call, please do Hey another day of
Speaker 1: adventure or no adventure? No adventure, no portal. People from
Speaker 1: the men's basketball team. I haven't had any confirmations about
Speaker 1: the women's team, although there's kind of some rumblings. Remember
Speaker 1: today though, David's April Fool's Day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're seeing a lot of fakeness there.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes we are. So we'll see what we have
Speaker 1: today for the show. Today, we're gonna have going to
Speaker 1: have mister Jim Rosborough. I forg it would be a
Speaker 1: good time to talk to him about his experience with
Speaker 1: the women's PEMA team and just you know how fun
Speaker 1: that was getting to the finals of the of the
Speaker 1: championship game, for that national championship game. And then if
Speaker 1: you remember, David, you were there. I was there in
Speaker 1: Indianapolis twenty eight years ago, yesterday, and just remember reminiscent
Speaker 1: about the day and the night and the today would
Speaker 1: have been the day after, right, the hangover. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you were at the airport trying to get back.
Speaker 2: I was. I'm trying to remember. I think we stayed
Speaker 2: a little bit. We didn't. I think we were behind
Speaker 2: the team, and in terms of our travel, I can't
Speaker 2: remember exactly when we got in, but it took a
Speaker 2: while for us to get back. But yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a big It was a big moment for us too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: trying to just cover stuff and then now, okay, are
Speaker 2: we done? Are we sending more stuff back to Tucson?
Speaker 2: You know, as far as stories.
Speaker 1: Go, Well, if you remember the game, I was not
Speaker 1: writing until like one in the morning. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's when I started, because you know, you said, you linger,
Speaker 1: you try to get his men quote and scenes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you were the kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, though, Yeah, so we I mean, like our job
Speaker 2: in those years was basically to cover the news that
Speaker 2: night at ten o'clock whatever, you know, it was midnight there,
Speaker 2: I guess, and then you know, get material back for
Speaker 2: the next morning or the next day. So they would
Speaker 2: have stuff because we were the only ones that had
Speaker 2: it at that point. We had it in our cameras,
Speaker 2: so we had to somehow transmit it back to Tucson.
Speaker 2: So that was kind of part of our process. So
Speaker 2: we were we were kind of you know, going at
Speaker 2: warp speed pretty much until I would say, probably two
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning that night. That's about right as
Speaker 2: things were you know, wrapping up and the parking lots
Speaker 2: were closed down, and we were in our you know,
Speaker 2: you know, we were big satellite trucks just sitting there
Speaker 2: trying to put together material for the next day.
Speaker 1: As you look back twenty eight years ago, was it
Speaker 1: as you look back now, and with the technology, was
Speaker 1: it pretty antiquated?
Speaker 2: Back then? It was pretty antiquated, But you still were
Speaker 2: getting material out via satellite, which they still do they
Speaker 2: do you know in some cases, but nowadays they can
Speaker 2: do things so much easier through the Internet and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, but we were literally at the mercy of
Speaker 2: just poking satellite time they would call it be in
Speaker 2: a truck, or you'd be in a location you would
Speaker 2: have to call, you know, a number in New York,
Speaker 2: and you know, book the time. I need, you know,
Speaker 2: an hour of time or a half hour of time
Speaker 2: to get all this material, you know, fed back to
Speaker 2: the station. So somebody had to be back at all
Speaker 2: of our TV stations in Tucson, I'm sure, all that
Speaker 2: all night long, basically recording material that wouldn't physically be
Speaker 2: back in Tucson probably until the next day in the afternoon,
Speaker 2: so we had to try to get it back as
Speaker 2: soon as we could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was funny because that next day I stayed
Speaker 1: up to about five or six. I know, Dave Petrush
Speaker 1: goes with me. Peter Madrid was here Corky obviously, and
Speaker 1: so we're, you know, a team doing these things. And
Speaker 1: I stayed, like you say, midnight, one o'clock. I remember
Speaker 1: being with Lut late into the night because I wanted
Speaker 1: to get different stuff than everybody else had. And my
Speaker 1: lasting memory of that night was Lut talking to a
Speaker 1: reporter in the hallway and I don't know who remember
Speaker 1: who the reporter was. But Bobby off to the side
Speaker 1: talking to George Khalil and me waiting for him one
Speaker 1: last moment and he loot seeing Bobby, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe aout twenty one yards away saying bababe, I'll be
Speaker 1: right with you, and he says, she says, you know,
Speaker 1: and in her funny way says, lude, I've been waiting
Speaker 1: for you for forty one years and another twenty minutes
Speaker 1: when we'll kill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that relationship was awesome and they, you know, they
Speaker 2: they enjoyed that moment because that was really the only
Speaker 2: time he had a chance to celebrate it, you know,
Speaker 2: a national championship and all that went with that and
Speaker 2: all the you know, craziness before those years and then
Speaker 2: you know, some of the sad things obviously that happened
Speaker 2: personally to them and professionally in the next coming years.
Speaker 2: But that was a great moment for for us. I know,
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's professionals to cover something, you know,
Speaker 2: of that magnitude. For me, it was, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the highlights. Everyone asked me, you know, what were
Speaker 2: the top things you covered? And that's usually you know,
Speaker 2: one or two for me in all those years, so
Speaker 2: it was it was a great time.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, No, it was a wild ride, right and
Speaker 1: then guess what next year they had a better chance
Speaker 1: in winning the thing, and they didn't.
Speaker 2: And we were so prepared the next year because we
Speaker 2: weren't prepared that first year, right, you know, and the
Speaker 2: next year we're standing out. You're like, you guys, I
Speaker 2: mean the newspaper would always send you know, a handful
Speaker 2: of people, but we've rarely sent more than maybe one reporter,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe two photographers. One of them would run that
Speaker 2: satellite truck I was just talking about. But the next
Speaker 2: year is like, oh, let's send out, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the anchors and Dave and two or I mean
Speaker 2: it was five.
Speaker 1: And it was nearby, and it was nearby because.
Speaker 2: Anaheim went to where was the first round that year?
Speaker 1: You remember god Secrament, you know the year before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyway, it was, you know, the Anaheim trip.
Speaker 2: I think we all drove, you know, we little caravan
Speaker 2: and gun people drive it out there, maybe cheap, go
Speaker 2: and get the hotels. What you mean you need like
Speaker 2: three hotel rooms. That was always a problem in those years.
Speaker 2: But because we weren't prepared, you guys, well, we were
Speaker 2: used to were going out with you know, five or six,
Speaker 2: but it was it was a different time. And now
Speaker 2: you know, I'm watching I hate to, you know, downplay it,
Speaker 2: but I'm watching the coverage the other night after the
Speaker 2: last game, and there's one TV station there from Tucson.
Speaker 2: Everybody else you know.
Speaker 1: It on TV station Bruce and maybe a couple of
Speaker 1: the internet guys.
Speaker 2: Yep, amazing, amazing. You know, I was. I was upset.
Speaker 2: There was a year or so before I left where
Speaker 2: we didn't go and it was upsetting. You know, you
Speaker 2: walk out into the newsroom and you look up and
Speaker 2: you see these TV stations. You're the only ones that's
Speaker 2: not in you know, whatever city.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: Sure, that was frustrating, But nowadays it's kind of like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, Channel thirteen went and that's about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think they went to the first round.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's like.
Speaker 2: It's like a pick and choose how much I watch
Speaker 2: now days it.
Speaker 1: Was a pick and choose, you know, you go one
Speaker 1: day or one weekend or not the other. Luckily I
Speaker 1: had a chance to go to Seattle, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go to New Jersey because I
Speaker 1: just if they lost one game, it's what the hell
Speaker 1: am I spinning this money for just to come right back.
Speaker 1: It's a long ways and same thing could have happened
Speaker 1: in Seattle, but I just chose not to go.
Speaker 2: It remind me of the year that I went to
Speaker 2: d C and they lost that one game. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Neills, the West Virginia game. Yeah, and that was
Speaker 2: a lot. And it was a late game too, so
Speaker 2: it was a you know, a game. It didn't even
Speaker 2: start till I don't know, ten o'clock eastern. You know,
Speaker 2: we're sitting out there and they.
Speaker 1: Want it was I went too many those losses, I know,
Speaker 1: But the.
Speaker 2: Fact that it was not like, you know, you couldn't
Speaker 2: have put them on it earlier. You know, Oh they're
Speaker 2: a West Coast team, we'll put them on late. So
Speaker 2: you know, it was a it was a late start
Speaker 2: and at a late night and early morning flight to
Speaker 2: get home.
Speaker 1: M you know, the good old days and story of
Speaker 1: media and covering, you know, because again you know, as
Speaker 1: we sit there and we get we approach selection Sunday,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a crapshoot.
Speaker 2: You have no idea where you're going to wind up
Speaker 2: going in most cases, right, I mean sometimes you kind
Speaker 2: of had an inkling where you're gonna wind up but
Speaker 2: couldn't really prepare. You couldn't really make plane reservations or
Speaker 2: anything like that, and so all of a sudden you're
Speaker 2: forking out money for a trip, you know, two or
Speaker 2: three days late, short week.
Speaker 1: Well for me, it would have been a two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars by myself, right a hotel getting their food, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And that's like for you guys, who would
Speaker 1: have been six thousand if you sent three at least,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, at least because you know, you got to eat,
Speaker 1: gotta eat, you do. Yeah, they got to.
Speaker 2: Part part of the part of the part of the process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So let me talk a ross in about
Speaker 1: ten minutes, and then at the hour for seventeen hour,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Chuck Culpepper, a buddy of mine.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's been on the show a few times. Very insightful,
Speaker 1: bright guy Brooks for the Washington Post who covers college
Speaker 1: basketball for the paper, and as he gets ready for
Speaker 1: the Final Four, so just his thoughts on all this
Speaker 1: on the transfer portal, we can't ignore that.
Speaker 2: There's so many stories. I mean, you know, it really
Speaker 2: is a shame that the portal opened up when it did,
Speaker 2: and they couldn't have waited another week or so. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's taken away a lot of the coverage
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, all I'm hearing about at least
Speaker 2: these first couple of days. I'm sure it's going to
Speaker 2: pick up is the portal. And you know, no one's
Speaker 2: talking yet about the final four, which I'm you know
Speaker 2: will happen on Friday, basically day size, right, and.
Speaker 1: Everybody's everybody's talking about the portal, every school with the
Speaker 1: same concerns. Oh, it's it's farce. It's going to change.
Speaker 1: It's been doing that for a while. And no one's
Speaker 1: going to change college, but it's already been changing it
Speaker 1: for a while. You don't know until it affects you, right,
Speaker 1: And Arizona's been affected pretty heavily this year. I mean
Speaker 1: in past years too, but this is you know, they're
Speaker 1: really feeling, Oh god, we had a good guy, a
Speaker 1: couple of guys kJ and Henry and who knows anybody
Speaker 1: else coming on.
Speaker 2: If you lose tow your starters and you got to
Speaker 2: you know, one guy's finished eligibility.
Speaker 1: I mean, your team is going to be turned around
Speaker 1: again next year. Here's the issue. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: five things. If I can come up with five things, okay,
Speaker 1: because you I think you asked me. We're talking about money,
Speaker 1: the reasons why money, playing time, discontent, I'll stop there. Three, well, four, coaching,
Speaker 1: you can add whatever else the other where? Do you
Speaker 1: think it could be all of them? Could be one
Speaker 1: of them? But everyone talks about money right. People were transferring,
Speaker 1: not even when there was no money of all, people
Speaker 1: were transferring.
Speaker 2: The we're still transferring. But now the nil situation when
Speaker 2: they're talking two to three million dollars the player now
Speaker 2: and it's going up, you know, And if you're just
Speaker 2: sitting there, you know.
Speaker 1: Who in the right, let me ask you something in
Speaker 1: your previous capacity to this, to this, you're no pay job.
Speaker 1: How difficult was it to get two and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars from a donor?
Speaker 2: It was impossible. It was hard. I mean they had
Speaker 2: to really know what they're getting for their money too.
Speaker 2: And next thing, you know, you give somebody two million
Speaker 2: dollars like and then they transfer the next year.
Speaker 1: That's my point I mean, how if you're out going,
Speaker 1: how difficult? Says, well, you know, we got this guard.
Speaker 1: When he's a heck of a good player, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get us. How is it gonna cost me?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: Two point two?
Speaker 2: What? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then for how long? Well, just for this year.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting. I've been talking to some people
Speaker 2: on campus just in general about it, and the whole
Speaker 2: nil situation everywhere is going to be kind of changing
Speaker 2: here this summer. So we need to kind of keep
Speaker 2: abreast of that, and we'll talk to some folks who
Speaker 2: are going to be part of that, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: by July, actually July first, when the fiscal year swings
Speaker 2: on campus. How that money is going to be spent? Like, say,
Speaker 2: you want to give you know, a million bucks to
Speaker 2: the nil and don't specify it to a particular player.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's gonna be the way it's
Speaker 2: going to work. Just here's our nil pot of money.
Speaker 2: Just take it and I'll throw it in there, and
Speaker 2: you guys use it however you want. So it's going
Speaker 2: to be interesting to see how that plays out. It's
Speaker 2: gonna change.
Speaker 1: In addition to the twenty million dollars, twenty three million
Speaker 1: or whatever. Just that's going to be decided here pretty
Speaker 1: soon too. And that's that's going to happen. That's not
Speaker 1: that's beyond the nil. Yes, or in a subsidiary of it. Yes, man,
Speaker 1: to be an athlete these days.
Speaker 2: I know, and get the money so early in your life.
Speaker 2: You know, you could be eighteen years old, seventeen years old,
Speaker 2: next thing, you know, you've got your kind of set
Speaker 2: for life, well, well set.
Speaker 1: For a while. Hell I had that money, I would
Speaker 1: go away, I'd be set for life. I'd be investing
Speaker 1: a little bit. Dave, You'd never know who I was.
Speaker 1: I've gone, I'm out of here. But that's just the
Speaker 1: way of the world, which makes crazy crazy no sense,
Speaker 1: but perfect sense. I mean, I'm sure that back in
Speaker 1: the day, the abandons and the people who were fighting
Speaker 1: for this way back didn't envision this.
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean you know they wanted money for sure,
Speaker 2: Like sure, I think that was the main their jerseys
Speaker 2: were being and that's what it should be. Games where
Speaker 2: you know, they're on video games and things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, of course, Dave. I want you to sell
Speaker 2: me some corn dogs. You don't want to say we
Speaker 2: sell me some cars, tell me you know I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna give you the money before you sell me some cars.
Speaker 2: It's the way it works. It's it's been a system
Speaker 2: that I think everybody was We were aware that there
Speaker 2: was money being exchanged different ways. Now it's pretty much
Speaker 2: the way everybody gets it and the way it works.
Speaker 2: And you're gonna get an opportunity to play and then
Speaker 2: make some money and maybe pick where you want to
Speaker 2: play at least for a couple of years. You could
Speaker 2: be like Kurk Creasy. You could go every year, change
Speaker 2: change schools. James, can one person transfer? Apparently a bunch
Speaker 2: just take a break. Now we're gonna get ahold of
Speaker 2: mister Rosborough, Coach Rosboro, and then come back and talk
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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to my in the ball Here on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera in with me.
Speaker 1: Today's Dave Silver. Now on the phone, we have Jim Rosborough,
Speaker 1: the assistant coach at Pima Women's the women's basketball team. Jim,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 2: Is he not? What the should.
Speaker 1: Jim? Are you there? Oh, he's gonna have to call
Speaker 1: us back. Some difficulties with the phone. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: had them on the.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and talk, David, looking forward to hearing from
Speaker 2: Jim Rosboro, a longtime loud els An assistant. Was there,
Speaker 2: of course all those years ago when the Wildcats won
Speaker 2: that national championship in ninety seven, So that anniversary was
Speaker 2: just yesterday, So it's always a date that you have
Speaker 2: a basketball fans will remember. Jim was right in the
Speaker 2: heart of all that Loot's right hand man. And now
Speaker 2: he's been coaching with the PEMA women's basketball team and
Speaker 2: they had another great season, got all the way to
Speaker 2: the national championship game and junior college hoops. So he's
Speaker 2: been a success everywhere he's been. We're trying to reach
Speaker 2: him again, so hopefully he'll join us here in a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes or so.
Speaker 1: US I give you the number. I just texted it.
Speaker 2: All right, he's gonna call us the joy of Live
Speaker 2: Radio Live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something'll know with the with the system today as
Speaker 1: we got on and then now we're having issues, so
Speaker 1: we'll just keep an eye on that phone. Oh yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: no issues. Did you get in sleep that night? I
Speaker 1: probably got too, I remember, but I don't think I did.
Speaker 1: I can't remember when we flew home. Probably not. Okay,
Speaker 1: there back in the phone. Are you on here, Jim?
Speaker 6: I still get excited when I hear one of my
Speaker 6: songs playing in the radio.
Speaker 1: Thank you, iHeart radio.
Speaker 2: No I did.
Speaker 1: Is young Airba?
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 13: I was the number here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on? A wee on?
Speaker 1: We're not blinking right, we're good, okay, cool. I want
Speaker 1: to get him on. I got to get him on.
Speaker 1: Got to get him on. I don't know why the
Speaker 1: phones are acting back there, and it's right because he's
Speaker 1: getting through right, we're not on a different channel. Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't want to have him on my phone with
Speaker 1: the with the phone on the microphone right on the
Speaker 1: this this silence is killing me. Science is it working?
Speaker 1: Nine one? I'll have him call again. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're here. Good good. You're on.
Speaker 13: Thanks, Hey, Jim, how are you good?
Speaker 1: We'll finally finally got the spone situation figured out. Hey,
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk. I wanted to talk to you,
Speaker 1: David and I Dave Silver here next to me about
Speaker 1: the good old days and the night yesterday was the
Speaker 1: twenty eight year anniversary. Obviously, Uh, what do you can
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the after after you
Speaker 1: you win the thing? It's already April first. Did you
Speaker 1: get any sleep before you left?
Speaker 13: I don't know, see if you were, David, get out
Speaker 13: a very small party in the whole lobby of the
Speaker 13: hotel where we were staying, the Railroad carp Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two,
Speaker 13: the lobby wasn't small. Three there were hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 13: of people there, three or four. Nobody was exactly drinking
Speaker 13: Coca cola or sprite. So it was a heck of
Speaker 13: a party, big time. One thing that I do remember
Speaker 13: that night, it's a personal note, but Luke said, Jim,
Speaker 13: I want to talk to him, and it took me
Speaker 13: back in some there and named me as associate head coach.
Speaker 13: That night.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 13: I remember, uh, you know, I've kind of been doing
Speaker 13: a lot of stuff anyway, but to have that little
Speaker 13: bit of an extra bump title was was nice. So
Speaker 13: it was a huge celebration. Kids were, you know, our
Speaker 13: kids along with some of the olden kids were out
Speaker 13: cruising around, going to McDonald's. You know, nobody were worried
Speaker 13: about the kids. But it was really a great night
Speaker 13: and a lot of fun and seeing people. And you've
Speaker 13: won a national title and you guys are both finding
Speaker 13: out it's harder than heck to do it for use,
Speaker 13: So that was quite a celebration.
Speaker 2: I remember too, just the casualness. Do you guys remember
Speaker 2: that the hotel was like across the street from the
Speaker 2: arena and the players were supposed to take a bus
Speaker 2: if I remember to go over and they're like, we
Speaker 2: can just walk. I remember seeing I don't know if
Speaker 2: Jim this is true, but I thought, I do remember
Speaker 2: seeing some guys just like walking across the street with
Speaker 2: their uniforms on, or just going over there to the
Speaker 2: shoot arounds or whatever it was. It was such a
Speaker 2: you know, different approach everybody else, so you know, kind
Speaker 2: of all wired. Here's you know, the u of a
Speaker 2: maybe not expected to be there having a good time.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it was that way. Now we got back to
Speaker 13: the hotel and then we had to go over there
Speaker 13: for the Sears Cup presentation or something. So we went
Speaker 13: back somewhere and I think a lot of the kids
Speaker 13: did walk, but it was very close. We were really,
Speaker 13: really handy. Now, we did ride a bus over to
Speaker 13: the title game, but again it was about a three
Speaker 13: minute ride, so that was kind of a casual, casual approach.
Speaker 13: I'd agree with you there.
Speaker 1: Did you know did you know in that bus ride
Speaker 1: to the to the game? What was the mood? Did
Speaker 1: you know that they were ready? That they were, you know,
Speaker 1: just geared up.
Speaker 13: There's if you know you're ready for We had our
Speaker 13: pregame meal, which is four hours before the game, and
Speaker 13: I said to my perimeter guys, I said, okay, go
Speaker 13: up to my room and watch a little bit of
Speaker 13: film now, just we have some time. Miles Simon up, Nope,
Speaker 13: don't want to go. No, we were ready. I mean
Speaker 13: he was geared up, ready to go at that time.
Speaker 13: Well he finally did come in and sit down and
Speaker 13: watch a little film begrudgingly, but they were you could
Speaker 13: feel it. It was it was in the air. So
Speaker 13: pregame meal and then on and just at that point,
Speaker 13: you just couldn't wait to play, And I know that
Speaker 13: was the same for the kids, just couldn't couldn't wait
Speaker 13: to get on the court and play, and they knew
Speaker 13: what was at stake, and I think handled everything really
Speaker 13: really well.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you had the scout.
Speaker 13: Here's me.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you had the scout of that game.
Speaker 13: I did. I did have the scout.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were they like? What were the top two
Speaker 1: things that you said, Okay, this has to happen, and
Speaker 1: this has to happen with them.
Speaker 13: Well, one, technically, we had to handle their press. I
Speaker 13: believe they were pressing quite a bit, so we had
Speaker 13: to handle that. Covered that. But then they had this
Speaker 13: kid Mercer, I believe all American, you have a really
Speaker 13: great player. And they had some different sets that they
Speaker 13: were running for him specifically, So we spent a good
Speaker 13: deal of time on and someday at the practice of
Speaker 13: going over how we were going to handle this particular set.
Speaker 13: And there were maybe a couple of variations of it
Speaker 13: that they were running for him, so we had to
Speaker 13: be sure we had those down. And then you know,
Speaker 13: you needed to know the person or what their tendencies
Speaker 13: were to some degree. So I thought we handled all
Speaker 13: those pretty well, but particularly trying to get Mercer under control.
Speaker 13: That was one of the real.
Speaker 2: Keys, you know, even all those years ago, Like what
Speaker 2: was a technology like in terms of you know, getting
Speaker 2: information in film. You know, I assume you had some
Speaker 2: going into that weekend, but not knowing really until the
Speaker 2: day before or so the game that you really had
Speaker 2: the concentrations on Kentucky just for that one night.
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, you know, now we had actually it was
Speaker 13: my son and a couple other guys were our video managers,
Speaker 13: so we had quite a quite a storage backup film
Speaker 13: to get to. That wasn't so bad. Maybe the equipment then,
Speaker 13: you know, it was the old vhs and it was
Speaker 13: a little archaic compared to now. But we were able
Speaker 13: to get on stuff right away, and so that was
Speaker 13: that was key. And again you're in a quick obviously
Speaker 13: you've done some film work before. Uh that game. I
Speaker 13: mean we it was my scout, so I knew I
Speaker 13: didn't have the game before, so I could spend a
Speaker 13: little bit of time on Kentucky. So we knew what
Speaker 13: was coming. But it wasn't It wasn't like today, I'll
Speaker 13: say that for sure, But we were we were pretty
Speaker 13: well prepared and had a lot of film. I'm going
Speaker 13: to guess on each of the films, each of the
Speaker 13: teams and the you know, maybe the last sixteen we
Speaker 13: probably had three or four or five tapes on games
Speaker 13: because we were constantly taping games. So we weren't we
Speaker 13: weren't way out of it them.
Speaker 1: So now that we can talk about it almost thirty
Speaker 1: years later, how we all know Michael Bibbi, right, we
Speaker 1: all know we've watched them throughout the years. Now he's
Speaker 1: going to be a coach of Sacramento State, But how
Speaker 1: really in retrospect was he ready for this and and
Speaker 1: how much did he step up? Because he played beyond
Speaker 1: his years.
Speaker 13: Yet way way away beyond his years. I've kind of
Speaker 13: read some things recently and he's been a little bit
Speaker 13: more on social media and seeing everything. I mean, he
Speaker 13: was a very you guys were there. He was a
Speaker 13: very fool cucumber. He'd been well prepared. He was a
Speaker 13: basketball kid all his life. His whole goal was to
Speaker 13: get into the NBA, and his family and his mother
Speaker 13: and everybody had worked hard to make it possible for him.
Speaker 13: And then he came in with us for two years
Speaker 13: and the goal was to be with the best coach
Speaker 13: available and try to get into the league. But I
Speaker 13: don't know if you can be totally prepared for the moment.
Speaker 13: But he was really ready, handled everything well, and I
Speaker 13: do think, to be honest with you, you'd probably have
Speaker 13: to give Miles a little bit of credit to Miles
Speaker 13: was a third year kid, he'd been through a lot.
Speaker 13: He was a good leader, and I think Miles probably
Speaker 13: had a good effect on on Mike. And we had
Speaker 13: four good perimeter guys, you know, with Jason Terry coming in,
Speaker 13: who was a good player, and so everything didn't fall
Speaker 13: on Mike. There were people there around to help him.
Speaker 13: But he handled everything well, press getting the ball in bounds,
Speaker 13: you know, everything, and shot the ball well. In fact,
Speaker 13: the guys will tell you that if you really study
Speaker 13: the film on the last basket at the end of regulation,
Speaker 13: try to win it. Miles took us to leave and
Speaker 13: tried to shot and Mike Bibby was open over in
Speaker 13: the corner. And they still say Miles should have passed
Speaker 13: the Bibby. Now I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I thought that's asking a lot. In fact that Jim,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to agree with me
Speaker 1: and Dave. I thought it had all things apples and apples.
Speaker 1: Bibby could have easily been the MLP two Yeah.
Speaker 13: No question, freshman point guard and you know how critical
Speaker 13: that term is. Point guard. A lot of communication with
Speaker 13: with coach and really a good team. So yeah, he
Speaker 13: could have been the MP no question.
Speaker 2: What does it say to you to the fact that
Speaker 2: these guys have all kind of gone into the coaching
Speaker 2: business too, Did you think that would happen when you
Speaker 2: see Jason Terry coming in, you know, seventeen or eighteen
Speaker 2: years old or Bibe that they would eventually be coaches
Speaker 2: or assistant coaches? And Miles also, I mean it's quite
Speaker 2: a legacy just in the backcourt me.
Speaker 13: No, squirrely little guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they become coaches.
Speaker 13: Well, you know you guys again, you were both there.
Speaker 13: Practices were technical. You guys think you could be there
Speaker 13: a little bit more practices, a lot of teaching going on.
Speaker 13: They were in a good system. I mean, I've said
Speaker 13: this a million times and we don't need to belabor this,
Speaker 13: but Rudelson was a heck of a practice coach. He
Speaker 13: was a great game coach, but his practices were phenomenal.
Speaker 13: The kids never got into games and were unprepared on
Speaker 13: certain things that the opponents were going to run. So
Speaker 13: all these guys that are coaching were exposed to really
Speaker 13: good things. Again, on a personal note, I had a
Speaker 13: squirrely little guy attached to my for three years that
Speaker 13: I could never get in the film room without him,
Speaker 13: that being the guy that U n LB.
Speaker 2: Now, yes, yes, oh, they they were.
Speaker 13: Exposed to some good stuff. And if they were mindful
Speaker 13: and maybe thought about it someday, they certainly were in
Speaker 13: a place where they got great, great backgrounds to be
Speaker 13: really good coaches, you know, if they paid attention.
Speaker 2: So Josh was already coach. Josh was already a coach
Speaker 2: when he was here, right, Yeah, he was an unpaid coach.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you to and the interesting that
Speaker 1: was in his own mind.
Speaker 13: That was in his own mind, well okay.
Speaker 1: Sorry, so you know what too. And no disrespect to
Speaker 1: Michael d because he was fantastic during the year and
Speaker 1: and and in doing what he did without Miles right
Speaker 1: when because Miles was out, Uh that you did this
Speaker 1: run in the postseason without him really playing?
Speaker 13: Really well, yeah, that's that's truly true. Now, you know,
Speaker 13: I think we were to go back and watch. Defensively,
Speaker 13: he was quick as a cat, as you guys know,
Speaker 13: and I'm sure he was doing inadequate job defensively. We
Speaker 13: didn't have time to go back and review past games
Speaker 13: because you're moving on. But I'm sure defensively is okay.
Speaker 13: He just didn't shoot it well and maybe he wasn't
Speaker 13: aggressive as he'd been. And I know, I'm just certain,
Speaker 13: I'm just guessing. I think he still is a little
Speaker 13: bit disappointed in that particular aspect of what went on.
Speaker 13: But yeah, now Jason Terrys, you know, up a couple
Speaker 13: of couple of games in before the final four. I mean,
Speaker 13: if it wasn't for Jason Terry, we would have been
Speaker 13: long gone. So yeah, we were lucky that we had
Speaker 13: Jason is our sixth man, and when Michael wasn't playing well,
Speaker 13: he was right in there and did a heck of
Speaker 13: a job. So we were lucky to have the group
Speaker 13: of seven or eight top guys we had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question, And when you talk about you know,
Speaker 1: you became the associate after that and and you reminisce
Speaker 1: about it, it is it twenty eight years? Does it
Speaker 1: feel that long? And do you still reminisce about that
Speaker 1: great time.
Speaker 13: I'm reminisce about it a lot. But unfortunately, when you
Speaker 13: wake up in the morning and try to get out
Speaker 13: of bed at this stage, Steve, it's a little bit
Speaker 13: harder than it feels like twenty eight years later. No,
Speaker 13: you talk about it in the course. Josh is probably
Speaker 13: my best friend in the associated with basketball, and we
Speaker 13: talk about it quite a bit, and the guys are
Speaker 13: proud of it. They had a big text chain yesterday
Speaker 13: and everybody was responding and excited and that we'll never
Speaker 13: do again. I think Steve, you joined us, maybe even
Speaker 13: in the huddle at the or what was that game
Speaker 13: several years ago where everybody was down on the floor
Speaker 13: and we put our hands in and some wise guys
Speaker 13: said it'll never be done again. Then it won't right,
Speaker 13: he's going down. That's not going to happen again. So
Speaker 13: that's something that'll be with these kids forever, and they're
Speaker 13: really proud of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no question.
Speaker 2: So now this part of your basketball coaching career has
Speaker 2: taking you to a different situation. Can you maybe explain
Speaker 2: how this has gone for you and just the excitement
Speaker 2: level and still being involved, especially at high level and
Speaker 2: getting back to the championship championship level.
Speaker 13: Now, yeah, well it's really been good. I like Todd,
Speaker 13: and I knew Todd to some degree before I went
Speaker 13: out there, but he asked me out eleven years ago
Speaker 13: now just to come out and put in the one
Speaker 13: three one zone, which he knew he'd used. So I
Speaker 13: stayed around a little bit more and did some shooting
Speaker 13: with the kids, and then at the end of that
Speaker 13: first year, he asked me if i'd want to join him.
Speaker 13: So I've been with him now that again, this is
Speaker 13: my eleventh year. It's really really been rewarding. I really
Speaker 13: really like working with the young ladies and we've really
Speaker 13: done I think it was even in the taper the
Speaker 13: other day. Won over one hundred games in the last
Speaker 13: four years and then culminated and being in the final
Speaker 13: four and championship game this year more an interesting thing.
Speaker 13: You know. We won the semi final game I think
Speaker 13: one hundred and one hundred and fifteen to one hundred
Speaker 13: and twelve, and we told our best defensive player to
Speaker 13: play their best offensive player, and what we said is
Speaker 13: hold her to under fifty four. You only got fifty three.
Speaker 13: I mean, I've never seen and Steve and Dave. You
Speaker 13: guys have got Derek Murdoch, I think Michale years ago
Speaker 13: forty some and Jimmer for debt and calid Rees forty three.
Speaker 13: I've never seen a shooting exhibition like this girl put on.
Speaker 13: It was absolutely phenomenal. But we won a really really
Speaker 13: exciting game and then David All we had in the
Speaker 13: finals and I think probably I'm based on the game
Speaker 13: of the night before a little bit tired, but we
Speaker 13: were in the championship game and it was really a
Speaker 13: good team that got better during the year and fortunately
Speaker 13: got a few of those people coming back next year.
Speaker 13: So really really enjoy it. Really like working with Todd.
Speaker 1: If you want, you can say your age, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure the women there keep you young. And then you
Speaker 1: have an audience for your dad jokes and my jokes
Speaker 1: are still awful.
Speaker 13: Still try the same old ones, and yeah, they they
Speaker 13: kind of know the age of The interesting thing is
Speaker 13: they kind of look out for you a little bit.
Speaker 1: Now tracking oh yeah.
Speaker 13: All this time is going one way. They're making sure
Speaker 13: my bag's in my car and now there they are
Speaker 13: a good group. Really, we really had a good and
Speaker 13: it's not only this year. We've had really sensational young
Speaker 13: ladies out there to work with, so it's been really
Speaker 13: a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, great stuff, great stuff. Well, Jim, thanks a
Speaker 1: bunch for joining us. We wanted to talk about the
Speaker 1: good old days, and thank you.
Speaker 13: They're always good old days, even day.
Speaker 1: Thanks all right, Thanks, I'm Jim Rosborough, one of the
Speaker 1: great guys in this town. Definitely let's take a break
Speaker 1: for a little over, but no problem with that. We'll
Speaker 1: come back.
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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to about here on Fox Sports fourteen
Speaker 1: fifty mci Rivera, your Dave Silver, your Kobe. That was fun.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: I could go another half hour to tell you like that.
Speaker 2: He's great. He was always always kind of the go
Speaker 2: to guy when when you couldn't get the head coach,
Speaker 2: you go to go to Rose and he'd give you
Speaker 2: what you needed.
Speaker 1: Right right. That's what made him so good, so good
Speaker 1: with what he did. And it was it was unless
Speaker 1: you knew where Loot was gonna be, you could get him,
Speaker 1: you know, because he was always doing something. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he says, and especially when he was retired, you know,
Speaker 1: when he's finally retired and and it was after his issues,
Speaker 1: I'm more busy now than when I was coaching, because
Speaker 1: everybody wanted a piece of them.
Speaker 2: But it's you know, the transition that Rossborough is made
Speaker 2: to go from you know, high high level of Division
Speaker 2: one men's basketball to junior college women's You know, it's
Speaker 2: a it's a big drop off, but it's great that
Speaker 2: he's had an influence on these these women for all
Speaker 2: these years.
Speaker 1: If you want David, eventually you're gonna thank me because
Speaker 1: you're retired now and when the more people want you,
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, you know what, yeah, because you're gonna
Speaker 1: be home with the clickers changing channels. And I wish
Speaker 1: I was back on that radio show that you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But for Ross, you know, he's older.
Speaker 1: He says, we all forget our stuff too, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got your key's wallet, like for me, like phone
Speaker 1: key's wallet. Yeah, Folky's well, uh, for him, he's that guy.
Speaker 16: You know.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I thought Josh and I think
Speaker 1: the world of Josh, that I thought he'd made a
Speaker 1: mistake and then who knows if his career will take
Speaker 1: off now, you know, is he didn't have He didn't
Speaker 1: have Ros by his side to be that mentor to
Speaker 1: help him coach. Does that make sense he didn't I
Speaker 1: don't know if he had that guy, but he didn't
Speaker 1: have Ross, and they were close, and I think he
Speaker 1: would have been able to help guide him to a
Speaker 1: better career than he's had so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you were, you were around it closer than
Speaker 2: I was. But when he was here Josh as an assistant,
Speaker 2: and then he goes to Memphis with Caliparia and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't get the leadership like you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Maybe Lout would have given him, or Ross would have
Speaker 2: given him, but calib PARTI maybe didn't.
Speaker 1: And then he was thrust into that spotlight real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not that she did. He didn't want it, right, because
Speaker 1: you want you want that, sure, that's why you go there.
Speaker 1: But he didn't have that right hand man that Lout had,
Speaker 1: and Lut was better, a better coach. I'll say this
Speaker 1: bluntly with Roz next to him, because when after Roz left,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like he's just hanging out. You
Speaker 1: don't say it wasn't a better time.
Speaker 2: Weren't too many more years of success, right? But yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, Josh, I think could have You know, we
Speaker 2: could ask him someday, you know who was his you know,
Speaker 2: coaching mentor you know, he always talked glowingly about his
Speaker 2: U of a days, But I'm not sure how much
Speaker 2: it was back and forth between you know, the U
Speaker 2: of A helping him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he learned from some of the best and
Speaker 1: obviously that's why he did it. There's one thing about
Speaker 1: Josh and he and I have been communicating the last
Speaker 1: few days after he got to you know, b John,
Speaker 1: he's he's a smart dude. He knows exactly what he's
Speaker 1: up to right what he's doing. And he Luke appreciated
Speaker 1: him like no other because he did a lot for
Speaker 1: that team, taking after hours shooting and shooting and opening
Speaker 1: the gym, shooting and shooting and shooting, and he was
Speaker 1: good what he did.
Speaker 2: And I think a couple of people, I think even
Speaker 2: last week were sort of just say, you know, it's UNLV.
Speaker 2: It's not like he used to be. But I still
Speaker 2: think that's a pretty good spot.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: No matter what they're going to be in the whatever league,
Speaker 2: they're in the Mountain West or they who knows where
Speaker 2: they're gonna wind up, there's still a marquee team and
Speaker 2: one of the most famous cities of the world, and
Speaker 2: there's dreams are going to be on TV with the history.
Speaker 2: Were they great history or an interesting history? At least
Speaker 2: you know you're the un LV coach. You know you've
Speaker 2: got a chance and you're gonna get players to come there.
Speaker 2: I would think he's a great recruiter.
Speaker 1: It would appear that they have nil money, right of course,
Speaker 1: that said, you know we talk about this NLI and transfer.
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is a dum dumbest that one
Speaker 1: your what do we got here? Things are just popping up? Okay, good?
Speaker 9: Good?
Speaker 1: Uh so so we know how important nil is, right
Speaker 1: and how number ones have got to the fund? Do
Speaker 1: you think that a school could we got a call? Oh,
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Speaker 16: Hey Steve Howard, mister Silver? Hello, Yeah, how you guys
Speaker 16: doing how Yeah?
Speaker 13: That was great.
Speaker 16: That was the funny thing at the end when Rosboro said, yeah,
Speaker 16: they helped me out to get my bags on the
Speaker 16: glass and things like that. That was really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Yeah, but come on, Steve, even even mister Silver, we're
Speaker 16: all young compared to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So let me ask you, Howard, because you
Speaker 1: talked to us last time and you guys were all giddy,
Speaker 1: you and Ray and all that, But those sons doesn't
Speaker 1: look so good.
Speaker 16: I'll forget it, Okay, I'll say something about the Suns
Speaker 16: bad stuff. Okay, Uh, the coach sucks first of all.
Speaker 16: And and the reason why b Hyu is so good,
Speaker 16: why is it? I'll say something good about the former
Speaker 16: Son The coach was the was the main assistant coach
Speaker 16: of the former regime with the Sons. That's why b
Speaker 16: Yu so good period? Is that coach?
Speaker 13: Okay, he coached from the Suns.
Speaker 1: They've had issues with their coaches for a while now.
Speaker 16: Well, I know, but this guy is good because he's
Speaker 16: just he's got that the NBA background. It's really and
Speaker 16: he's good because of that former Sons coach. That's why
Speaker 16: Bu is going to be really good. And I gotta
Speaker 16: always I always forget that he's there. I always forget
Speaker 16: he's their coach. So anyway, the other thing I loved
Speaker 16: when we won, when that that that good rebound.
Speaker 13: Our team uh fruffled the loot's.
Speaker 2: Hair up, Ben Davis. Kevin Young is a coach you're
Speaker 2: talking about who is an assistant right.
Speaker 16: Kevin mister Young? Yeah, Kevin Yeah, the kid. Anyway, the
Speaker 16: other thing, I'm not gonna do it because they lose.
Speaker 16: I didn't watch the first two U of A games
Speaker 16: this year. But of course why I watched Duke game
Speaker 16: because the main thing I expected us to win both
Speaker 16: those games. And even even even Jay was saying that.
Speaker 16: Jay was saying, yeah, we're gonna get up against Stuke.
Speaker 16: We were looking a little bit ahead, right. And anyway,
Speaker 16: the one thing I like about not having Jay, we
Speaker 16: don't have to talk as much about you of a football,
Speaker 16: no Dodgers and no Dodge.
Speaker 1: I'll let him know, let them know.
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, well if he's not listening, guys, we'll talk
Speaker 13: to you.
Speaker 1: How Dodgers might not lose a game. Yeah, I hold
Speaker 1: that thought. I was talking to you about hold that.
Speaker 2: Thought, Josh, Vegas UNLV and having success there.
Speaker 1: Having success there. Yeah, no, it'll come back to me
Speaker 1: maybe No.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Vegas is Vegas, and they're going
Speaker 2: to get major League Baseball. They're you know, they're getting
Speaker 2: every sport. And for a while there it was basically
Speaker 2: UNLV basketball was like major their major events.
Speaker 1: You and I have you've been with me when we
Speaker 1: had joshun Yeah, a couple of times, right, And because yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys have talked and I said, do you remember
Speaker 1: me asked saying that, Josh, why coach anymore? You got
Speaker 1: a good gig with ESPN, you got a good life.
Speaker 1: No one's harassing you on the sidelines. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. There's no pressure, And this is what he wants,
Speaker 1: this is what he loves to do, this is what
Speaker 1: he's built board.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he had a couple of good runs
Speaker 2: at Georgia Tech and at at Memphis, and he wants to,
Speaker 2: you know, be a successful coach. And he's still driven.
Speaker 2: He's not he's even fifty. I don't think he's fifty. No,
Speaker 2: he's like forty seven. So he's you know, he's got
Speaker 2: time to go back to TV. Yeah, and he's always
Speaker 2: going to be good at that. Yeah, So you know,
Speaker 2: if this doesn't work out, you know, get them go
Speaker 2: back to one of the major networks again. He had
Speaker 2: a pretty good, pretty good chance to show his skills there.
Speaker 1: Right right, I don't know. Yeah, No, he's good at
Speaker 1: that too. Anybody want to call get in. We get
Speaker 1: about eight minutes.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of those guys go to television
Speaker 2: and kind of rehab their careers. I mean, even like
Speaker 2: Seth Greenberg has been there now for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he'll never coach again, though, you don't think so.
Speaker 1: Tom Crean, Tom Crean, same thing. They're there, they've lasted
Speaker 1: this long and if they haven't been hired shortly after
Speaker 1: their TV they're they're pretty much done because who's gonna
Speaker 1: who's gonna do that? Yeah, and then now you have
Speaker 1: the recent young kids coming up, the younger kids, and
Speaker 1: I consider Tommy that guy too. You have these younger
Speaker 1: guys on their assistant, the by the b YU guy,
Speaker 1: there's they're all over the new up and coming people.
Speaker 1: The guy at Florida Golden Oh, and he would he
Speaker 1: looked just stistical a couple of years. He looked like
Speaker 1: he was twelve. Yeah, he's still in early forties. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, Yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those some of those coaches, I mean, even John
Speaker 2: Shire do because you know, he's destiny to be there
Speaker 2: twenty years if he wants to stick around.
Speaker 1: They're all over the place, and it's it's the Iszzo's,
Speaker 1: it's themselves, it's the Barns and that. Are they going
Speaker 1: to deal with this NL stuff any longer?
Speaker 2: I know, because we've seen kind of these football coaches
Speaker 2: have kind of stepped away because of that. So I
Speaker 2: don't know about basketball. I mean Miami Tony Bennett, Miami guy.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, but he was up there in years.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, this is one of the reasons give you
Speaker 1: the hell out this ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, some of these coaches that have
Speaker 2: been around, they're probably just looking around today going what's
Speaker 2: my team going to look like in five months?
Speaker 1: Look at it? Yeah, Indiana, but look at her.
Speaker 2: Arizona's doing the same thing. And every time you go
Speaker 2: on these you know, there's some of these Twitter sites
Speaker 2: and places like that that are just posting one after
Speaker 2: another after another.
Speaker 1: So this is what I was talking about. Okay, so nil,
Speaker 1: this is the reminder. Yeah, so nil. Everybody has it,
Speaker 1: wants it, needs it, blah blah blah. What if you
Speaker 1: think a team could not deal with nil and be
Speaker 1: all good to be good at it, be good, be
Speaker 1: good without it, good players? Yeah, probably not, not not
Speaker 1: anymore in thinking that that's probably true. They did it
Speaker 1: five years ago. But now it's the way the world
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: The money is there and it's available and it's open
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that was a stupid statement, but let
Speaker 1: me say this too, because Tommy is this is what
Speaker 1: Tommy's is known for, at least to the first four years.
Speaker 1: You get this players, develop them right, develop them to
Speaker 1: be good team. But then guess what, somebody that gets
Speaker 1: the benefits some other school gets it.
Speaker 2: Be sorry true and uh you know, I mean he
Speaker 2: didn't didn't work out maybe as most fans hope with Townsend,
Speaker 2: but that was kind of what happened there. He's at
Speaker 2: Oakland for all those years and he has one more
Speaker 2: year to go and come to Arizona and you get it.
Speaker 2: You know, they got sweet sixteen. That's about it, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they need to step up
Speaker 2: their grad transfers. I think I don't know, not to
Speaker 2: pick on them, but you know they could do better.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing yeah, I thought, though, you think those guys
Speaker 1: would have been better because of what they accomplished in
Speaker 1: the postseason. He just didn't fit. Even before the season started,
Speaker 1: I talked to one of the coaches and I texted
Speaker 1: them and saying that I really like this team because
Speaker 1: it looks like the pieces fit. This could have been
Speaker 1: November or whatever, right and maybe after Red Blue I
Speaker 1: can't remember, and I said they just Townsend was hitting
Speaker 1: threes O case you solved that problem. He's a big body.
Speaker 1: Awakia was who what he was. He didn't disappoint I
Speaker 1: don't think no, but everything seemed to fit and then
Speaker 1: it didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and you know, you just don't really
Speaker 2: know what you're getting. You haven't watched them for you know,
Speaker 2: four years, and you're just kind of hoping that, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, a guy can transfer from you know, maybe
Speaker 2: a mid major and just move right into the Big twelve,
Speaker 2: which we saw how good it was, was much better
Speaker 2: than the Pac twelve.
Speaker 1: And that's the way the world's going to be, because
Speaker 1: where where would you recruit the kids that you're playing,
Speaker 1: that you're gonna play with they're not gonna tray for
Speaker 1: to Saint John's here maybe if you give a lot
Speaker 1: of money, but you find him at the lower levels.
Speaker 2: Right and in Asia and Europe, And if Tommy's going
Speaker 2: to continue to bring in guys from Estonia and places
Speaker 2: like that, that's you know, maybe that's going to be
Speaker 2: the The card that he plays at Arizona sounds like
Speaker 2: he's obviously he has connections there, so maybe there'll be
Speaker 2: another to Bellus or.
Speaker 1: Well that's his bread and butter. That's his bread and butter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just hope that they stay.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 1: Stefan could have probably made waves here in the year
Speaker 1: or two, but you don't. They don't think about year
Speaker 1: or two.
Speaker 2: No, And it was hard as I mean, he was
Speaker 2: only out there for a few minutes really the entire season,
Speaker 2: so he was very, very raw. And you know, I
Speaker 2: think Tommy he's brought in some people who are pretty
Speaker 2: skilled from around the from around the world, so I
Speaker 2: would not be surprised if a couple more come in
Speaker 2: this next year.
Speaker 1: It's got that's the way he's played it so far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: You know, they're looking at all these transfers, great transfers
Speaker 2: amongst the American schools. Meantime, Tommy's got you know, five
Speaker 2: guys lined up in you know, Eastern Europe that he
Speaker 2: thinks that might have a chance to play here.
Speaker 1: And with the hope that they blend in and do
Speaker 1: what they do. Let me ask you. So we saw
Speaker 1: them go to the Sweet sixteens. First year lust to Houston. Uh,
Speaker 1: second year was Princeton. They lost their last year Clemson,
Speaker 1: and this year Sweet sixteen yees. The careers path Okay,
Speaker 1: you think for you that's tough. And then what do
Speaker 1: you think about the fans. The fans are never going
Speaker 1: to be happy. I don't think they want to. They
Speaker 1: want to, they want more.
Speaker 2: And we've sat here and you know, talking to coach
Speaker 2: Rosboro about it hasn't happened for a long time. I
Speaker 2: think everybody's kind of frustrated about that. So I just
Speaker 2: think it's just a matter of time. I would hope
Speaker 2: that if he's just getting good players, they do somehow.
Speaker 1: Well he talks about he talks about.
Speaker 2: Get into a higher seed than a four seed and
Speaker 2: not have to play Duke right off the.
Speaker 1: Well they get seed last last yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: there two or three yeah, two, and then the two
Speaker 1: against the Princeton right yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, So that was that was a fluke. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't happen pretty often.
Speaker 1: Everyone happened. It happens all hell breaks loose in general.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, what else, what else do you want?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's getting into the These teams
Speaker 2: are always in the top twenty basically, and then you're
Speaker 2: gonna be a top four seeds.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you, the fan, Dave, not you the
Speaker 1: pragmatic guy. Okay, we got to go with that.
Speaker 2: I'll think about it during the commercial break.
Speaker 1: Well, come back, you got breaking news for