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<v Speaker 1>News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Willie

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<v Speaker 1>Cunningham on New Year's Day, twenty twenty five, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is not a happy one. I'll tell you what I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about you. But I went to bed last night,

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<v Speaker 1>made it up a little past midnight, which is unusual

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Everything's fine, looking forward to a day of

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<v Speaker 1>football and subbing for Willie, and man, you wake up

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<v Speaker 1>to this this morning and the story is rapidly changing,

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<v Speaker 1>which obviously is understandable, but it's not changing for the better. Seemingly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's changing for the worse. I wanted to let you know.

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<v Speaker 1>At one o'clock we will be talking to FOP President

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Kober about this. And you know, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to ask Ken specific questions or anything like that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask him some general questions about the investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, do local police officers work well with

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<v Speaker 1>federal police officers. I think the probable answer to that

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<v Speaker 1>will be not always. I know that's the way it

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<v Speaker 1>used to be. But I thought it's getting better because

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<v Speaker 1>I guess initially the local New Orleans Police department down there,

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<v Speaker 1>local people said that this is terrorism. Well, the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>spokesperson came out quickly and said, no, it's not. But

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<v Speaker 1>now the latest I'm hearing is that the FBI has

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<v Speaker 1>has changed on that. And part of the problem, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>as I see it, is this not just with this situation,

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<v Speaker 1>but with others too. People want answers and damn near

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<v Speaker 1>want the thing solved literally within two or three hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Well guess what, people in real life life, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>work that way. It just doesn't. I mean, these are complex,

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<v Speaker 1>complicated things, and the news media sometimes I think maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they can be a little bit irresponsible too. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with a reporter saying that, you know, guys, we

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<v Speaker 1>just don't have anything to tell you now. We're working

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and when we do find something out, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get back to you. That's not realistic, though, It's just

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<v Speaker 1>not in a twenty four to seven news cycle. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, one network's trying to outdo the other.

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<v Speaker 1>And as usual for me, I'm watching Fox News and

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<v Speaker 1>I got it on in front of me with the

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<v Speaker 1>sound turndown, obviously, and they certainly seem to be on

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<v Speaker 1>top of it. The latest wrinkle in this thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if other news agencies networks are reporting this,

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<v Speaker 1>but Fox is now reporting that the car or the

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<v Speaker 1>truck I guess it was that the shooter, the killer

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<v Speaker 1>was driving when he plowed into the cap crowd. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a truck was seen crossing the border

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<v Speaker 1>apparently earlier this week. It's got Texas plates. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just heard as I was coming in here setting up

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<v Speaker 1>that apparently it's one of those two ro cars that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he can rent for a weekend whatever. So

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things to continually play out. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Fox is also reporting too that I have not had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to even read anything about this, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to say too much. There were separate shootings

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<v Speaker 1>down there as well, with multiple fatalities. Now having said that,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that is all that unusual. Unfortunately for

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans. They it's just become a real rough place

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<v Speaker 1>in Bourbon Street down there in the French Quarter, just awful,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I got to tell you this is going

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<v Speaker 1>back probably I don't know, about ten years or so,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little bit more. My daughter went to school

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<v Speaker 1>at spring Hill College, which is in Mobile, Alabama, only

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<v Speaker 1>about an hour and a half two hours from New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>We went down there for Marty Gras one time, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was really cool, you know, to see all the

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<v Speaker 1>floats and all that's so historic down there. However, Bourbon

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<v Speaker 1>Street just got completely out of hand. And I get it,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Marty Gras the whole deal, but just completely

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<v Speaker 1>out of hand. And you know, I follow the news

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the shootings down there have really really

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<v Speaker 1>gone through the roof. And that's a shame too, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's just I'm sitting here looking at it now on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News. It's just a beautiful historic place to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But as always, you got a certain segment of society

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<v Speaker 1>that's hell bent on ruining good things for others. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see how that plays out. Again. Fox is reporting,

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<v Speaker 1>and again I don't have any specifics that multiple people

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<v Speaker 1>were killed in separate shootings that do not, at least

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, appear to be related to the tragedy

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<v Speaker 1>with the idiot driving into the crowd. Things will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to play out on this thing, and we will keep

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<v Speaker 1>you posted. We were told, and this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the way it goes, that there was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference at noon, so I shifted some guests around.

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<v Speaker 1>I had Ken Kobra coming on at noon, Ken is

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<v Speaker 1>now going to come on at one, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>now saying that the briefing, the news conference is going

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<v Speaker 1>to come on at two o'clock. So I guess we

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<v Speaker 1>shall see. But I'll tell you, folks, not a good

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<v Speaker 1>way obviously to start the new year. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what kind of weapon the dude had.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought there are some outlet reporting that it is, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a weapon of war or that was the

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<v Speaker 1>description of other descriptions of it. To guess what, we

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know yet. And if it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something that is not illegal necessarily but heavily regulated, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure we're going to hear the anti Second Amendment crowd

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<v Speaker 1>coming out about it. And you know, here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not really rocket science. I've said this from jump.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not to say that you don't have reasonable restrictions

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<v Speaker 1>on people that have guns. You have to have that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we do have it, but there will

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<v Speaker 1>be some and our president maybe one of them. He's

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<v Speaker 1>done it before, to use this tragedy as something that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that as a tool to get the political

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<v Speaker 1>change that he wants. That has not happened yet, at

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<v Speaker 1>least but it's still early. I hope that doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope the time is spent, you know, taking care

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<v Speaker 1>of the families of those people that died in this

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<v Speaker 1>horrible attack. And if you've ever been down there on

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<v Speaker 1>Bourbon Street when it's just completely packed, really, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of thinking that it's a good thing that

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<v Speaker 1>more were not seriously injured or killed. Again reporting now

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<v Speaker 1>is ten killed, thirty five injured. Two police officers were

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<v Speaker 1>shot at. Thankfully no police officers have died. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the extent of their injuries yet. I get the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that they're not life threatening, obviously, I hope so.

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<v Speaker 1>But just a lot of jumble and everything else coming

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<v Speaker 1>out on a day that, you know, people want to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some serious football on today too, with the Sugar

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl being set in New Orleans. Not sure what time

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<v Speaker 1>that one's set for, but there's some speculation I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see how they could do it, but that they may

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<v Speaker 1>not or may delay that game or something. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not down there eight forty five tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just advised the Sugar Bowl, so I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we shall see. I seriously doubt that they'll mess with that. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>unless I don't know something. Obviously, there's a hell of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps the federal authorities and state authorities know some things

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<v Speaker 1>that we do not know. We'll just have to see.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just have to see. And you know, initially too,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is something I want to ask Ken Kobra about. Initially,

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<v Speaker 1>it certainly seemed like the and the New Orleans PD

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<v Speaker 1>were not on the same page because New Orleans PD

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<v Speaker 1>put out pretty early on and they've had the chief

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<v Speaker 1>on a couple of times. Seems like an elderly lady,

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<v Speaker 1>but she sure seems to know what she's talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I shouldn't even say anything. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the situation. But they got their wires crossed on

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was an act of terrorism. Yet initially they

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<v Speaker 1>said yeah, New Orleans PD said yes, FBI agreed with them.

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<v Speaker 1>FBI then said no, it was not terrorism. Well now

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying it is again. And guess what, folks, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not unusual too. I mean, it's a fluid situation, it

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<v Speaker 1>really is. And you know, this press conference that's allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>coming off at two, they're going to get fifty million

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<v Speaker 1>questions and they're not going to know the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them. Again, with this twenty four to

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<v Speaker 1>seven news cycle we have now people want answers now,

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<v Speaker 1>not just on this thing, but on other tragedies and

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<v Speaker 1>things of this nature. And yeah, I was a cop

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<v Speaker 1>a long long time ago, not very long was I

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<v Speaker 1>a police officer, and I was never an investigator, So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm just kind of shooting from the

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<v Speaker 1>hip here. It's very, very complicated these investigations. Now on

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<v Speaker 1>this one, I mean, it's obvious who the suspect is,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I almost want to say, folks, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to say he was killed, And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a nice way of putting it is I ain't

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<v Speaker 1>going to lose a hell of a lot of sleep

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<v Speaker 1>tonight about that. You know, your reap what's is so,

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<v Speaker 1>But it is going to be interesting to see the

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<v Speaker 1>background on this guy again if he were carrying and

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<v Speaker 1>had a quote assault weapon close quote where there is

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<v Speaker 1>really no definitive definition of the politics is going to

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<v Speaker 1>start going through the ceiling again and you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get the anti Second Amendment crowd out there. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing about that too. And again this is only

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion. However, that situation with gun control, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to blame someone for all the guns in

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<v Speaker 1>this country. Guess who you blame. You blame King George

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<v Speaker 1>of England back in colonial times for the way he

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<v Speaker 1>treated the colonists, taxation without representation, a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>things too. And those people they didn't like it, and

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<v Speaker 1>they knew at some point that something was going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen and they were going to do something about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they did. And we are, we were, we are

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<v Speaker 1>and we continue to be a well armed country. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just the way it is. And you want to try

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<v Speaker 1>to get that genie back in the bottle, forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ain no way these people that complain about the so

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<v Speaker 1>called weapons of mass destructure and I'm talking about firearms

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<v Speaker 1>and other things. You know what, And I will say

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<v Speaker 1>this for Gavin Newsom, he is the only one that

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard calling for this. Guess what you do? You

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<v Speaker 1>amend or get rid of the Second Amendment. Now I'm not, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not advocating that, but you know what, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>serious about all this stuff, why don't you do that?

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<v Speaker 1>There are constitutional ways to do it. And stop nitpicking around. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they won't do that because it's just never going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen in this country. And there again, it takes another

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<v Speaker 1>arrow out of their quiver to forward the narrative that

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<v Speaker 1>they have. And you know, here I am talking about

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<v Speaker 1>people shouldn't speculate, and I guess I'm speculating a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guarantee you that's it's going to come out

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<v Speaker 1>that way. If the weapon that he had was one

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<v Speaker 1>that fits into those categories, I guess we'll just have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait to see. You know, I guess I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>that old. It wasn't too long ago that I can remember.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't have this stuff that often. You didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>school shootings, you didn't have mass killings like this thing

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<v Speaker 1>late last night. I mean, yeah, you had them, but

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<v Speaker 1>nothing like you have now. And we have just become

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<v Speaker 1>such a crass, crass society, and leave violent society out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way for a while. The way we talk

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<v Speaker 1>to each other, the the lyrics to certain songs, what

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<v Speaker 1>you see on TV. And again I'm not being, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just hand handed it from him. The New

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<v Speaker 1>we go, sham sud Din Jabbar. Read into that what

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<v Speaker 1>on X are reporting that. So we shall see. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen in for Willie Cunningham seven hundred WLW, Twell

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Mike Allen

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<v Speaker 1>in for Willie Cunningham on a somber New Year's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you it's not something that we all thought

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<v Speaker 1>so does the information we provide you. We're lucky to

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<v Speaker 1>the iHeart Aviation specialist. Jay, thanks for joining us this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Come back so if you work out, you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, and I really do appreciate it. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me ask you first, Jay, the tragedy in New Orleans,

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<v Speaker 1>will that in any way affect air travel? I was

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting here thinking about that. Will that affect it

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<v Speaker 3>Behind the scenes, There'll be some things that will be

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<v Speaker 2>That we won't see.

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<v Speaker 3>We see this frequently when there's a threat of an

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<v Speaker 3>are from a security standpoint just a little bit more alert,

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<v Speaker 3>thinking was that a distraction for something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Bigger that might be taking place?

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<v Speaker 3>So many times from a security standpoint, like if you

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<v Speaker 3>runs through to try to avoid screening. Well, obviously you

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<v Speaker 3>take care of that, but you're equally as concerned to

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<v Speaker 2>May be going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, the first thing is obviously the distraction, and you

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<v Speaker 3>understand all about that given your long hosement background.

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<v Speaker 2>You just got to keep your.

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<v Speaker 3>Head on a swivel and anticipate things that could possibly

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<v Speaker 3>take place. And that's what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The passengers at the airport will probably see an increased presence.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of that's cosmetic, simply to try to let people

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<v Speaker 3>It's not necessarily in response to a threat per se.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot like when we hit and we had

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<v Speaker 3>after the attacks of nine to eleven, when travel resumed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>after the four days, we had the National Guard positioned

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<v Speaker 3>at airports at the security checkpoint, which again, the attacks

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<v Speaker 3>weren't a result of a lack of security. There was

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<v Speaker 3>no breakdown of security. The National Guard was there simply

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<v Speaker 3>to try to reassure people that we're going to be traveling.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I got to tell you, Jay, and I

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<v Speaker 1>told you this earlier in the week and then I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get into what your thoughts on the top

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<v Speaker 1>aviation news of twenty twenty four. But I gotta tell

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<v Speaker 1>you this because I think people need to know. About

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<v Speaker 1>a week or so go, I traveled to Mexico Port

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<v Speaker 1>of Artas specifically flight problem. Yeah, it's great. Second time

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<v Speaker 1>there anyway, CVG two Houston, Houston to Port of Iarta

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<v Speaker 1>and the same thing back. I can't to tell you TSA.

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<v Speaker 1>The job that they did was just phenomenal. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking traveling during holidays, you know this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be awful. It was not. And you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I do, and I think I did it at every

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<v Speaker 1>time I went through. If they are courteous, I will

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<v Speaker 1>tell them after everything's done. Hey, I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for being so courteous, and they certainly seem

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<v Speaker 1>to appreciate that. I know they get a bad rap,

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<v Speaker 1>so I just felt it was important to let people

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<v Speaker 1>know I had a heck of a good encounter with them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well or spoiled to CVG, There's no doubt about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had to work with a team there a few

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<v Speaker 3>times on just questions and answer kind of thing and

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<v Speaker 3>procedures and some other types of things, and they're great

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<v Speaker 3>and they work with the airlines on an ongoing basis.

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<v Speaker 3>They're constantly seeing what the load projections are to making

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<v Speaker 3>sure they've got adequate staffing. And when you and I

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<v Speaker 3>do talk about the top aviation story of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 3>the TSA will not be the topic every single time.

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<v Speaker 3>When we had record travel days of more than three

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<v Speaker 3>million people a day traveling, not one time, not one

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<v Speaker 3>time this past year did I ever have a segment

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<v Speaker 3>on a breakdown to the TSA checkpoint. No lines out

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<v Speaker 3>down the corner, around the corner, out down the street

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing. No massive backups at various airports. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>sure it got congested at some airports on occasion, but no,

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<v Speaker 3>they did a great job. And that's not by accident.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we had other issues obviously, air traffic control

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<v Speaker 3>and other kinds of things that gave us some challenges

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<v Speaker 3>for the year. But Mike, the TSA did a good job,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just if they do something that they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>have done.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But believe me, I am very quick to always point

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<v Speaker 3>out that the good job that that frontline team is doing.

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<v Speaker 3>They had two and a half three million chances a

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<v Speaker 2>Oh geez. And when you.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about that and then the number of times that

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<v Speaker 3>talked about was some lady that was going through a

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<v Speaker 3>security checkpoint and at eighty two restricted items in her

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<v Speaker 3>carry on bag, so you know, eighty two please, It's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the record. I think I can beat it. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the TSA is doing a good job. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the agency I'm not a big fan of

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<v Speaker 3>because when they first got started, I thought, why are

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<v Speaker 3>we creating another government branch Because it wasn't a breakdown

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<v Speaker 3>in security that was the attacks of nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was designed to, you know, create that sense

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<v Speaker 3>of calm. But all it did was give us another great, big,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, government agency that I think two or three

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<v Speaker 3>years after their creation, Mike, if I'm not mistaken, they

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<v Speaker 3>held an annual banquet where they gave out lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>At even awards.

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<v Speaker 3>They spent like five hundred grand on the party, and

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't make sense, Hey, in our remaining time, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask you your thoughts. Jay Ratliffe on the

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<v Speaker 1>top aviation news of twenty twenty four, lots going on

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<v Speaker 1>at your seems.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, Yeah, well we ended the year obviously with a

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<v Speaker 3>flurry of aviation disaster. Yeah, making twenty twenty four the

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<v Speaker 3>deadliest year of travel aviation commercial wise since twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously that's the focus now as it needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be and should be a lot of unanswered questions on

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<v Speaker 3>that South Korean plane crash. In fact, the two black

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<v Speaker 3>boxes that have been recovered are really going to provide

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<v Speaker 3>us a lot of information. We found out recently that

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<v Speaker 3>the flight data recorder one of the two black boxes

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<v Speaker 3>was damaged to such a degree that they're actually sending

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<v Speaker 3>it back here to the United States with the NTSB team.

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna be able to extract that information here another

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<v Speaker 3>cockpit voice recorder they're they're getting information from that. I

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<v Speaker 3>suspect in the next couple of weeks we'll get an

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<v Speaker 3>initial idea of what their thoughts are. It's going to

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<v Speaker 3>but Mike, a lot of unanswered questions on that and

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest one to me is why that landing gear

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't deployed for exactly aircret.

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<v Speaker 1>And can I ask you this, Jay, And I don't mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just so curious about this. When you see the

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<v Speaker 1>thing land the belly landing, you know, I'm the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I saw, Man, this is great. These guys are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make it. It didn't look like they had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of runway left. Why would that building that they

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<v Speaker 1>or Am I missing a question?

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<v Speaker 2>Well you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, it was the most idiotic acidine thing I'd

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<v Speaker 3>ever seen. You put a concrete barrier up at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of an overrun section at a commercial airport that

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<v Speaker 3>could stop a tank, and it was made of concrete,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just if it's bricked, if it's cinder, if

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<v Speaker 3>it's something. Most of the time when you're traveling, no,

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<v Speaker 3>all the time when we travel and we look at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of the runway, we see those ils antenna

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<v Speaker 3>and they're there, and they normally are secured in such

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<v Speaker 3>a way that they can break away if there's impact

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<v Speaker 3>with an aircraft. This wall, I mean, yeah, the aircraft

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<v Speaker 3>landed fast, it landed long, it was going too fast.

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<v Speaker 3>But typically what would have happened was that aircraft would

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<v Speaker 3>have just continued because it wasn't breaking, it wasn't catching

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<v Speaker 3>on fire, and it would have kept going until it stopped,

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<v Speaker 3>and then everybody would have got off and we would

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<v Speaker 3>have had minor injuries, regardless of the mechanical and or

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<v Speaker 3>crew air things that took place during that initial part.

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<v Speaker 3>The crew brought it down, the wings were level, and

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<v Speaker 3>they did everything from that standpoint that they should have. Now, again,

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<v Speaker 3>the flaps weren't at forty degrees. We don't know why

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<v Speaker 3>the reverse engines, thrusters apparently weren't engaged. We don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why the landing gear wasn't down. We don't know why

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<v Speaker 3>a bird strike and an engine normally doesn't call a

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<v Speaker 3>hydraulic failure of the undercarriage systems and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So plus you can drop the landing gear manually with

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<v Speaker 3>a very quick pull of some things located right behind

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what was going on, and that's why

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<v Speaker 3>the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder is

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<v Speaker 3>going to give us the information we need, Mike, I

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<v Speaker 3>will tell you this. In the thirty three years I've

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<v Speaker 3>been doing this, we have had occasions rare or flight

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I don't know that that was the case here.

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<v Speaker 3>We could have had a pilot with a medical episode

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, we could have had them.

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<v Speaker 3>Rushing through a checklist because they were fearful that they

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<v Speaker 3>were going to lose power in the one good engine

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<v Speaker 3>they had. It could have been another series of mechanical

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<v Speaker 3>problems that were totally unaware of at this point. So

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<v Speaker 3>it could go in any direction. But I can tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that the NTSB and that assisting the main investigation

420
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<v Speaker 3>in South Korea, they're going to be looking at just

421
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<v Speaker 3>a long list of things, and they'll allow the evidence

422
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<v Speaker 3>to dictate the course of the investigation against something you're

423
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.000
<v Speaker 3>very familiar with, right, And they're not gonna have any

424
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<v Speaker 3>pre drowne conclusions. They're going to go in and see

425
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<v Speaker 3>where the evidence leads.

426
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<v Speaker 1>That's the way to do it. We've got we've got

427
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<v Speaker 1>about six minutes left other.

428
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<v Speaker 3>Mike, I will say real quick, we will honor hopefully

429
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<v Speaker 3>the lives of those that were lost by making sure

430
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<v Speaker 3>every airport in the world does not have a concrete

431
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<v Speaker 3>stop anything.

432
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<v Speaker 2>It can at the end of a runway.

433
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<v Speaker 3>Again, that's I know that we will at least see that.

434
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<v Speaker 3>So those lives that were lost one hundred and seventy

435
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<v Speaker 3>nine are going to make commercial aviation safer for other

436
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<v Speaker 3>people around the world.

437
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<v Speaker 1>That's a good way to look at it, Jay Ratliffe. Okay,

438
00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.759
<v Speaker 1>what else went on in twenty twenty four Boeing?

439
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:48.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was the year of Boeing last year

440
00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.920
<v Speaker 3>at this time. Actually it was the last week of

441
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.079
<v Speaker 3>December twenty twenty three. Boeing sent out a memo to

442
00:25:55.119 --> 00:26:00.640
<v Speaker 3>airlines saying that some airline mechanics had reported loose and

443
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.720
<v Speaker 3>missing bolts and nuts on some of the rudder control

444
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 3>systems of the Boeing seven thirty seven aircraft. Now, this

445
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 3>caught a lot of a soft guard because they're like,

446
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.000
<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, how can you have what's called undertree

447
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.519
<v Speaker 3>hardware or loose bolts, nuts, what have you at different

448
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:20.119
<v Speaker 3>places of a rudder control system. Remember, that's what keeps

449
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:23.079
<v Speaker 3>allows the pilots to fly the airplane, the rudder control system.

450
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:27.480
<v Speaker 3>And we thought, uh, oh, are we going back to

451
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.079
<v Speaker 3>the Boeing of five years ago when they were rushing

452
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.839
<v Speaker 3>planes through production trying to keep up with the air bus. No,

453
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:35.200
<v Speaker 3>that that couldn't be the case, because they fired the CEO.

454
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.160
<v Speaker 3>They promised that they were going to change their ways,

455
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:39.880
<v Speaker 3>they were going to become the Boeing of old blah

456
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:41.759
<v Speaker 3>blah blah. And then we get that memo at the

457
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.200
<v Speaker 3>end of last year. Mike were thinking, oh, no, here

458
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.079
<v Speaker 3>we go again. Are they back to rushing things or

459
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.880
<v Speaker 3>did they ever stop? Two weeks later, the Alaska Airlines

460
00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:55.119
<v Speaker 3>door plug falls out. Thank god nobody died in that situation. Yeah,

461
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.400
<v Speaker 3>And then all of a sudden what took place was

462
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<v Speaker 3>we started to find out yep thirty two whistle blow

463
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 3>or whatever it is that came forward talking about parts

464
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 3>that were rejected being used on aircraft to keep the

465
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:11.039
<v Speaker 3>aircraft going through the production line, people being rushed, parts

466
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.519
<v Speaker 3>being forced, those types of things, just a lot of

467
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 3>things that required the FAA to basically blow the whistle

468
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:17.279
<v Speaker 3>and say time out.

469
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.400
<v Speaker 2>So Boeing had to stop.

470
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<v Speaker 3>Delivering aircraft as this investigation was ongoing, and that meant

471
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 3>airlines around the world that we're waiting for these new

472
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.000
<v Speaker 3>aircraft weren't getting them, so you had passengers affected, airlines

473
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 3>affected since we had fewer seats in certain markets that

474
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 3>meant higher fares as.

475
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, all driven by Boeing. This this year.

476
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<v Speaker 3>Now, there were a lot of other, I think, big stories,

477
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.839
<v Speaker 3>but I think the one that impacted us the most

478
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty four was Boeing. Because it's going to

479
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 3>spill over into twenty twenty five and perhaps twenty twenty six.

480
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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be really interesting to see how soon

481
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:54.359
<v Speaker 3>Boeing's going to be able to get back to a

482
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<v Speaker 3>full production And Mike, if we can even trust them

483
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.480
<v Speaker 3>they're saying now that they're going to do But I

484
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.319
<v Speaker 3>don't believe I believed them five years ago, and I

485
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.119
<v Speaker 3>was an idiot, Jaycob. I never should have believed them

486
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 3>when they gave us these paragraphs of promise on how

487
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.759
<v Speaker 3>they were going to do better after two Boeing airplanes crash,

488
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:13.720
<v Speaker 3>killing three hundred and forty some people.

489
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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, I mean, correct me if

490
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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong. They were for years and years and years

491
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<v Speaker 1>Boeing the gold standard with that kind of thing. Obviously,

492
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.839
<v Speaker 1>you just laid out the problems. Are they ever going

493
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to fully recover from this. Do you think you're right?

494
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.359
<v Speaker 3>They used to be the standard. Nobody came close. They

495
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Speaker 3>were the ones that led the world in safety. Other companies,

496
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 3>even outside aviation, said we need to do things as

497
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 3>well as Boeing because they were led by engineers, engineers

498
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.799
<v Speaker 3>who looked at safety being the number one priority at

499
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.119
<v Speaker 3>a talking point. Well, then it was taken over by

500
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:51.759
<v Speaker 3>being counters that started taking shortcuts. And since nothing happened tragically,

501
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.720
<v Speaker 3>human nature being what it is, people get complacent.

502
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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we can keep making the ort cut. And this part, even.

503
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Though it failed an inspection, it's almost as good as

504
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:02.160
<v Speaker 3>a good part.

505
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.960
<v Speaker 2>So let's put it on. And the idea you send employees.

506
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 3>To a scrap bend to pick out the best failed

507
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.079
<v Speaker 3>part to put on an aircraft because you don't want

508
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:12.960
<v Speaker 3>to slow down the production so you can try to

509
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.440
<v Speaker 3>keep up with your European competitor, air Bus. I mean, Mike,

510
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 3>that's criminal to me. That and nobody went to jail.

511
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 3>Boeing got the little slaps on the fine and all

512
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 3>that other kind of guards, wasn't it.

513
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Well I wish I would, but you know, they.

514
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Avoided all of the going to court by settling everything

515
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.359
<v Speaker 3>out right. The fact that they've got billions of dollars

516
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:37.240
<v Speaker 3>in defense contracts probably helped that to take place. But

517
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 3>you know, asked me in five years, ask me in

518
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.920
<v Speaker 3>ten years if Boeing turned it around, because we're never

519
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 3>going to know it, because you have people right now

520
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.279
<v Speaker 3>that are ex and current Boeing employees that are saying

521
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.319
<v Speaker 3>they're scared to get on their aircraft because so many

522
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.519
<v Speaker 3>things are put on there that shouldn't be and it

523
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 3>scares them. And Mike, this is the last year was

524
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.400
<v Speaker 3>the only year I can ever that I've ever seen

525
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 3>where people get to hold of me saying Jay, I'm

526
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.240
<v Speaker 3>avoiding a Boeing itinerary. I'm flying air Bus. I will

527
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.359
<v Speaker 3>fly whatever airlines I can, and I will I will

528
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 3>make create my travel itinerary around, you know, just so

529
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm flying Airbus and Airbus only, or Airbus and Embryer

530
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.359
<v Speaker 3>or Bombardier. I'm not going to get on a Boeing

531
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<v Speaker 3>aircraft because I don't trust them. And initially, when that

532
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 3>happened after the last airline situation, I thought, now, okay,

533
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.440
<v Speaker 3>that's normal, it happens. But it kept going weeks and

534
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 3>months and months after people kept saying the same thing,

535
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.559
<v Speaker 3>and they said, I was booked on an as aircraft.

536
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.799
<v Speaker 3>I get to the gate, they did an aircraft swap.

537
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<v Speaker 2>It was Boeing.

538
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.720
<v Speaker 3>I said, no, thank you, please put me on another

539
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.680
<v Speaker 3>flight and another part of the day the airline accommodated me.

540
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:42.319
<v Speaker 2>But that's how serious I was.

541
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<v Speaker 3>Now, I'm not saying take it quite that far, but

542
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that's the fear in the traveling public with

543
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people because of the fact that they

544
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 3>don't trust Boeing anymore. And the problem is Airbus right

545
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 3>now has like nine thousand airplanes in back order. I'm

546
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.160
<v Speaker 3>rounding up a bit, so they really can't jump in

547
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 3>and take the slack away for any future orders. Boeing

548
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 3>has five or six thousand planes on back order. There's

549
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:12.400
<v Speaker 3>no real competition in that industry. So it would be

550
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:14.480
<v Speaker 3>nice if people could say, forget Boeing, I'm going to

551
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 3>go elsewhere. But they're kind of stuck. Yeah, right, people

552
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.559
<v Speaker 3>like Southwest that only fly the Boweing seven thirty seven aircraft.

553
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll tell you what I mean. Hopefully they get

554
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.160
<v Speaker 1>their act together. We got a couple minutes left here

555
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 1>and this I'm just going to get selfish here. This

556
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>is nothing more than my curiosity a story I think

557
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>earlier in the week or last week where tragically a

558
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>person died in the wheel well of aircraft. What the

559
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>heck was the deal on that? If you know?

560
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, now it was a story that I was

561
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.640
<v Speaker 3>following because anytime I see that, it tells me how

562
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:54.160
<v Speaker 3>the heck did somebody walk across the tarmac at one

563
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 3>of the world's busiest airports in Chicago, approach an aircraft,

564
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 3>get into the aircraft well, and stay there without anybody

565
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 3>ever seeing them.

566
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<v Speaker 2>Now, we're spending billions.

567
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.079
<v Speaker 3>Of dollars on security inside an airport, and yet we

568
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.279
<v Speaker 3>have somebody who can easily access an aircraft. What if

569
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.880
<v Speaker 3>they just wanted to put something on that airplane and leave?

570
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 3>So that was that's my first because I always think security.

571
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.640
<v Speaker 3>And then obviously my heart breaks for the individual who

572
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 3>thought they could hitch a ride because they figured they

573
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.680
<v Speaker 3>can get on these airplanes, not knowing that when those

574
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.920
<v Speaker 3>suckers are at altitude it's fifty degrees below zero hypothermia.

575
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, by the way, there may not be enough

576
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 3>room for you, and that wheel retracts and you might

577
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 3>get crushed. And you know, we have a situation every

578
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 3>so often where somebody attempts to do this. The fatality

579
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.559
<v Speaker 3>rates about seventy eight percent over the last fifty years

580
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.400
<v Speaker 3>when people have tried this, and it's just a horrific situation.

581
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 3>But it's also to me such an alarming situation because

582
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:56.160
<v Speaker 3>we're spending billions of dollars on security inside the airport

583
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 3>and yet it can all be circumvented by an end

584
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 3>of the jewel that walks out to an airplane and

585
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 3>gets on it from the ramp and nobody sees it.

586
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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe it, and I'm glad I got to

587
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>answer ask you the question. Hey, we're out of time,

588
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Jay Ratlift, I would suggest people go to your aviation blog,

589
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Jay Ratliffe, Man, it's got everything in their top commercial

590
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.839
<v Speaker 1>aviation news stories twenty twenty four. As always, Jay, really

591
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:25.759
<v Speaker 1>appreciated and we will be talking a time brother, Okay,

592
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<v Speaker 1>thanks all right, Jay ratlif Boy. Lots going on aviation

593
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>wise in twenty twenty four. And you know, the hits

594
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>just keep on coming for Boeing and who knows if

595
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>they'll ever recover. Hey, we got to take a break.

596
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<v Speaker 1>But when we get back, We're going to talk to

597
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Ken Cober FOP President. I'm gonna ask Ken some general

598
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.559
<v Speaker 1>questions about the tragedy in New Orleans, which is obviously

599
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>still playing out, but I know Ken will have an

600
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>interesting and informative outlook on it. We'll do that when

601
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<v Speaker 1>we get back. Mike Allen and for Willy's seven hundred

602
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<v Speaker 1>WLW New's Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in for

603
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Willie Cunningham on a sad and somber New Year's Day.

604
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<v Speaker 1>You know, we've been talking about it all morning. And

605
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.639
<v Speaker 1>by the way, they are supposed to be having in

606
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>New Orleans two PM update on what happened. They're supposed

607
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:29.599
<v Speaker 1>they were supposed to do it at noon, so I

608
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be shocked at off it doesn't come off at two,

609
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.119
<v Speaker 1>but that's the plan. Anyway, Here to talk about it

610
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<v Speaker 1>is FOP President, Lodge sixty nine, Ken Cobra. I just

611
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<v Speaker 1>want to ask Ken some general questions about this. Obviously,

612
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 1>as a police officer, he's got some good input to it,

613
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 1>and Ken, thanks for sharing part of your holiday with us.

614
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<v Speaker 2>Mike, thanks for having me.

615
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<v Speaker 1>Hey, just in general, Ken and I'll have some specific

616
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>questions but in general, your thoughts on this, I'm sure

617
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you're like me. You wake up this morning and boom,

618
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<v Speaker 1>there is your thoughts as a veteran police officer on this.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's somebody that has worked many, many of

620
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.360
<v Speaker 3>these large scale events in Cincinnati. It's this is absolute

621
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<v Speaker 3>just officer's worst nightmare that's something like this happens.

622
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<v Speaker 1>And if their worst nightmare, I would think plural police

623
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<v Speaker 1>officers in planning something like this and policing something like this,

624
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, my goodness. Well then you look at Times

625
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Square last night. I mean, I don't know how law

626
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.960
<v Speaker 1>enforcement is able to kind of look over that. But

627
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.559
<v Speaker 1>back to New Orleans, I mean, how does that happen?

628
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<v Speaker 1>They know it's going to happen, not the tragedy, but

629
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<v Speaker 1>they know that the parade and all that stuff's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>How they plan for that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, like here in Cincinnati, we have our

632
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<v Speaker 3>Special Events Unit that's comprised of about seven officers between officers, sergeants,

633
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 3>and a lieutenant that they do threat assessments. They do

634
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<v Speaker 3>these risk assessments one that plan these events. They they

635
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<v Speaker 3>will actually look at, you know, wherever the footprint is

636
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<v Speaker 3>and kind of go through, well where are we vulnerable

637
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<v Speaker 3>and what can we do to mitigate those vulnerabilities? And

638
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 3>here in Cincinnati may do an absolutely fantastic job, which

639
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.519
<v Speaker 3>is probably knock on wood, why something like this hasn't

640
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<v Speaker 3>happened in since Anti sure?

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess one point of contention down there already is, uh,

642
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<v Speaker 1>you know, FBI and local police, is it terrorism or

643
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<v Speaker 1>is it not? At first the local people, uh, New

644
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Orleans PD said yes, then FBI said yeah, FBI said no,

645
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<v Speaker 1>then they flip that back again. I've always wondered this

646
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<v Speaker 1>at something like that Ken Kober, who decides not necessarily

647
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<v Speaker 1>that tag of terrorism, but who decides who's in charge

648
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>and who's going to run the investigation?

649
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Well that's you know, that's the anomaly with some of

650
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 3>these things, is you know, something.

651
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Of this scale and you know whatever. You know, the

652
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>New Orleans.

653
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 3>Police Department when they found their initially is probably why

654
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<v Speaker 3>they ended up calling the FBI to come in, because

655
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:11.880
<v Speaker 3>this is more than just you know, some drunk that

656
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<v Speaker 3>ran through a barricade and you know, hit some people.

657
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 3>They realized it was much much more than that. And

658
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, with the FBI, they just have more resources.

659
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<v Speaker 3>You know than a local police department would have.

660
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<v Speaker 1>And then do they then become quote unquote in charge

661
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 1>of the investigation at that point?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, typically typically speaking yes, you know, if if you

663
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 3>call in for other resources, then they kind of hand

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<v Speaker 3>an investigation over to them and they will work hand

665
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 3>in hand. But you know, once you call in, you know,

666
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.199
<v Speaker 3>the FBI, they're the ones that are gonna are going

667
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<v Speaker 3>to be the ones that take the lead on this.

668
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 3>And then you know, of course New Orleans will just

669
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<v Speaker 3>be there for whatever they need to assist with.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, and I know back in

671
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the day, the answer to this was no, they don't

672
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.320
<v Speaker 1>play well together. But it seems like it's gotten better.

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<v Speaker 1>Local police officers and not only have the high secret Service,

674
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>federal agencies and even different police officers. Do they play

675
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 1>well together now or I guess it's maybe an individual

676
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 1>circumstance because back in the day they didn't. I mean,

677
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>there was jealousy and rivalry and is that still the

678
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.039
<v Speaker 1>situation today?

679
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<v Speaker 4>I think for the most.

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<v Speaker 1>Part, they you know, they get along.

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00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:19.880
<v Speaker 4>You know.

682
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<v Speaker 3>I spent four and a half years in our fugitive

683
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 3>unit where we worked with the US Marshalls and it

684
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.079
<v Speaker 3>was a great It was a great relationship because they

685
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.679
<v Speaker 3>had resources that we didn't necessarily have access to, and

686
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:35.239
<v Speaker 3>then they would use us because well we're from Cincinnati.

687
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 2>We know, you know, the neighborhoods and whatnot. So it

688
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 2>worked well.

689
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<v Speaker 3>You know, you look at like we of now our

690
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<v Speaker 3>Crime Gun Intelligence Center, you know where they have FBI

691
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<v Speaker 3>ATS DEA, that all these agencies that all work together,

692
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:52.280
<v Speaker 3>that build these relationships. So you know, the you know,

693
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 3>the Indians per se all get together. It's sometimes the

694
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<v Speaker 3>chiefs that don't necessarily see eye to eye, but the

695
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<v Speaker 3>ones that are you boots on the ground doing the

696
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.880
<v Speaker 3>work typically do get along together.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, let me ask you what kind of training do

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<v Speaker 1>officers go through for something like this? And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more talking about the street coppers, the guys that

700
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:16.039
<v Speaker 1>are down there, some on duties, some probably work in details.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you train for something like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Ken, Well, the biggest thing, especially with large scale events,

703
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:25.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, there will be threat assessments. Like I said,

704
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<v Speaker 3>we have people that are assigned to the FBI that

705
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<v Speaker 3>will do these threat assessments and whatever information that they get,

706
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, they will certainly pass on to us at

707
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 3>roll calls and say hey, look there's you know, there

708
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.800
<v Speaker 3>could be this potential event that could occur, or look,

709
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.039
<v Speaker 3>we don't have anything right now. Plus we have our

710
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:47.360
<v Speaker 3>real time Crime Center that is constantly going through social

711
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 3>media and doing things like that to make sure that

712
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 3>if there is something that could come up, they can

713
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.679
<v Speaker 3>give it in real time information to us. That way

714
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:57.519
<v Speaker 3>we could be on the lookout for you know whatever,

715
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, potential threat there could be.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to ask you this too. In the

717
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:06.039
<v Speaker 1>military they call it an after action report. They probably

718
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>do in law enforcement as well, to look at a situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the great Gene Ferrara, a former CPD GUYE

720
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<v Speaker 1>terrorism expert, said, the most important part about it is

721
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>the after action report because cops can learn at the

722
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.079
<v Speaker 1>academy in service training or whatever. They don't do it

723
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.719
<v Speaker 1>to assess blame necessarily, but they do it so they

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00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.199
<v Speaker 1>can train cops better. Is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it absolutely is.

726
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 3>And like I said, our Special Events unit that they

727
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.000
<v Speaker 3>run october Fest tastes the Cincinnati Flying Pig, all these

728
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<v Speaker 3>major events, and they will actually tell the officers that

729
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.119
<v Speaker 3>are working the detail afterwards, if you see something that

730
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 3>we could do better. You see something that you could

731
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 3>be of vulnerability or something that we can make this

732
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.159
<v Speaker 3>event safer. Please email to let us know, because they

733
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.079
<v Speaker 3>do after action reports for every major event and we're

734
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 3>always trying to find ways to get better the gate

735
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.119
<v Speaker 3>vulnerabilities so we can make sure that these events are

736
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 3>as safe as they can possibly be.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha last question, and I'll let you go. There is

738
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<v Speaker 1>a hue and cry literally minutes after these things get

739
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 1>on the air. Let's all that how did this happen?

740
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<v Speaker 1>Why did that happen? Why did the cops do this?

741
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Why did they do that? Do police officers get frustrated

742
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:26.000
<v Speaker 1>by that that the media seems to demand instant answers

743
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 1>to these things, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's no doubt, you know.

745
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean, obviously we don't know what happened in New Orleans,

746
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 3>but you know this, this culture has been created of.

747
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, we need to know right now.

748
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.639
<v Speaker 3>Yep, we absolutely have to know right now. And you've

749
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.599
<v Speaker 3>got a police department that has two of their officers

750
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.079
<v Speaker 3>that were shot in this event, plus you have this

751
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 3>massive crime scene, you have this you know, this is

752
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 3>world news going on, and they want to know absolutely

753
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.760
<v Speaker 3>right now. And what officers want to do is they

754
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.480
<v Speaker 3>want to make sure that they get this right. Share

755
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.760
<v Speaker 3>to find out exactly why these things occurred. You'll gather

756
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 3>all the evidence they can so they give out accurate information.

757
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.280
<v Speaker 3>And I understand sometimes the media is like, hey, we

758
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 3>want to have it right now right, You're just like

759
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 3>this press conference getting pushed out. Yeah, this takes time,

760
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:09.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, we want to do things right.

761
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.119
<v Speaker 4>This isn't you know, this isn't some you.

762
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Know, law and order TV show where they saw the

763
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 3>crime in forty five minutes.

764
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

765
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.480
<v Speaker 2>And the cops people need to be patient.

766
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 1>They want to get it right too. So hey, listen,

767
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I really really appreciate this, Ken Kemper, and we'll continue

768
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to watch the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, yeah, thanks for having me my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. All right. That was Ken Cobra, President FOP

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<v Speaker 1>Lodge sixty nine. And you know, I really did want

772
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to ask him that last question because I can imagine

773
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 1>cops that get frustrated with you know, we need to

774
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>know now, we need to know this, We need to

775
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>know that. Anyway, we are waiting on that two o'clock

776
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.599
<v Speaker 1>press conference. I guess we shall see if it happens.

777
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to take a short break here and

778
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<v Speaker 1>then we'll come back. Mike Allen in for Willie seven

779
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<v Speaker 1>hundred WLW one twenty one News Radio, seven hundred Wow.

780
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen in for Willie Cunningham. New Year's Day, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, And as I said, it's a sad and

782
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:14.400
<v Speaker 1>somber New Year's Day due to what happened in the

783
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 1>French Quarter, New Orleans yesterday actually last night. And we

784
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 1>are waiting on an alleged two pm press conference by

785
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:27.239
<v Speaker 1>the law enforcement groups down there. I'm presuming the FBI,

786
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 1>New Orleans Police and other agencies will be taking part

787
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.320
<v Speaker 1>in it. We shall see. And you know what, if

788
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.199
<v Speaker 1>they had the postponent, I don't have a problem with it.

789
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'd like to hear it and talk about it. However,

790
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:43.199
<v Speaker 1>if they're not ready, they're not ready, and you're not

791
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:47.000
<v Speaker 1>going to solve the damn thing in six hours. It's

792
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 1>just not going to happen. And I get it. I

793
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>know the media is only doing their jobs, but man,

794
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.519
<v Speaker 1>let the cops do their jobs too. I mean, it

795
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 1>was great talking to Ken Kemper FOP president, just talk

796
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to him about it. Yeah, and I asked him about

797
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:07.079
<v Speaker 1>training and obviously, as Ken said they trained hard for

798
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.559
<v Speaker 1>something like this, But I think just kind of as

799
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<v Speaker 1>an outsider looking in because I haven't been involved in

800
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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement for a long long time other than you know,

801
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.760
<v Speaker 1>being a prosecutor. But it seems to me now, you know,

802
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<v Speaker 1>going back from when I was on, cops are better

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<v Speaker 1>trained now than ever. I mean, they're constantly doing in

804
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:33.920
<v Speaker 1>service training. Obviously, they get very good training at the

805
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:37.360
<v Speaker 1>police Academy. Again, you know, going back to the dark

806
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.960
<v Speaker 1>ages when I was on a long time ago, I

807
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<v Speaker 1>think the police academy there, CPD's academy was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best rank ones in the country and they may

809
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<v Speaker 1>still be. But they're better trained. Sorry, they're better equipped.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, cops are better equipped than they ever were.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had a thirty eight revolver and a

812
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.000
<v Speaker 1>night stick and a can of Maze. That's about it.

813
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.360
<v Speaker 1>They have better equipment now, what with tasers and things

814
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.320
<v Speaker 1>like that body cam that police officers have now, some

815
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.440
<v Speaker 1>of them don't like it, and you know what, if

816
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<v Speaker 1>they hit it when I was on, I don't think

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00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.159
<v Speaker 1>I would have either. However, I have seen this on

818
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.079
<v Speaker 1>more than one occasion in cases that I've had, they

819
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<v Speaker 1>tend to help cops if Mickey the momo is accusing

820
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<v Speaker 1>a cop of beating him up or something like that

821
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<v Speaker 1>and the cop didn't get the body cam. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>my point is they're better trained, they're better equipped, and

823
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<v Speaker 1>they're better paid than ever too. I don't know what

824
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the starting pay for CPD is now, but I know

825
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty darn good. Plus with overtime and off duty details,

826
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 1>you can make a good living with that, and that

827
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<v Speaker 1>says it should be now. Having said all of that,

828
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 1>they still can't find people now that want to be

829
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<v Speaker 1>police officers. And that just boggles my mind because keep

830
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 1>on going back to the dark ages. But that's my

831
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<v Speaker 1>only point of reference. You know what, I took the test,

832
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and we had to take it twice because we got

833
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.840
<v Speaker 1>laid off. It was done at the convention center. I'm

834
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<v Speaker 1>not exaggerating, asked somebody that was there. There were twenty

835
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<v Speaker 1>five hundred, three thousand people taking a test for I

836
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<v Speaker 1>don't know, sixty seventy eighty jobs. Tops. That ain't the

837
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<v Speaker 1>way it is now. They actually got to go out

838
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<v Speaker 1>and find them, and I think that's in large part

839
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<v Speaker 1>for the way that police officers are treated these days

840
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and the job they have to do, you know. And

841
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.239
<v Speaker 1>then I talked to Ken Kober about this about a

842
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>week or so, a couple of weeks ago, not on

843
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:46.719
<v Speaker 1>subject to the tragedy in New Orleans, but on subject

844
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.760
<v Speaker 1>as to why you can't get cops. There is a

845
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.800
<v Speaker 1>group of wackos in the state of Ohio that are

846
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 1>going around and I guess the Secretary of State signed

847
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>off on the ballot language going around with petition trying

848
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to get on the ballot a constitutional an Ohio constitutional

849
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>amendment to take away qualified immunity for police officers. Qualified immunity,

850
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:18.559
<v Speaker 1>just very briefly, is the immunity that a police officer

851
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 1>has when he or she has to make a split

852
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:26.239
<v Speaker 1>second decision. And I'm not talking about two or three

853
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:31.000
<v Speaker 1>or four seconds, a split second decision on whether the

854
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.599
<v Speaker 1>u force or something of that nature. And I'm sure

855
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 1>there are other examples too. They want to take that away.

856
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.760
<v Speaker 1>There are four states in this country. I don't have

857
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.679
<v Speaker 1>them in front of me that have already done that. Listen,

858
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:49.960
<v Speaker 1>you take that protection away from police officers, they will

859
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 1>have to expose themselves to civil suits from disgruntled members

860
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of the community who think they were wrong. If somebody

861
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.960
<v Speaker 1>let's just say it's a bad shooting, a bad officer

862
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Speaker 1>involved homicide shooting. If it was wrong the way it

863
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>is now, they can sue the city. The city's the

864
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 1>one with the deep pockets, not the cop. But these

865
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:19.239
<v Speaker 1>idiots want to change that to a situation where you

866
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:23.360
<v Speaker 1>can sue the cop personally. That's not right. I mean,

867
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>that's not right. What cop would want to get involved

868
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.199
<v Speaker 1>in that. I mean, you know, you take the job.

869
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 1>You get on the job, maybe you make a mistake,

870
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:38.280
<v Speaker 1>or you make you do something that is inaccurately and

871
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.559
<v Speaker 1>unjustly perceived as a mistake. You could lose your house,

872
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.800
<v Speaker 1>you could lose your savings. You know, you could lose

873
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.559
<v Speaker 1>the money that you set aside for junior's college fund.

874
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:55.800
<v Speaker 1>It is just a horrible, horrible idea. You know, I've

875
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:58.639
<v Speaker 1>already talked about it quite a bit on my show.

876
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to continue to do so because it is

877
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:05.719
<v Speaker 1>a bad, bad, bad idea. I don't have the name

878
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 1>of the group in front of me that's passing around

879
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 1>these petitions, but I'll get it out either tomorrow. I'm

880
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>on tomorrow Tomorrow Friday for Slowany and then of course

881
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.039
<v Speaker 1>my Saturday show. But I guess that's just a long

882
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.800
<v Speaker 1>way of saying they're not getting people who want to

883
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:26.440
<v Speaker 1>be cops anymore because there's too much BS and frankly,

884
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:32.280
<v Speaker 1>too much risk to the officer. If a situation gets questionable,

885
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 1>first thing they'll do, especially in the city of Cincinnati,

886
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 1>they'll throw the copper under the bus. And that's just

887
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:43.039
<v Speaker 1>the way it goes. Unfortunately, again, we didn't have a

888
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>problem long time ago getting the police officers, but boy

889
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 1>they do now Again. We are waiting on a two

890
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:54.599
<v Speaker 1>pm press conference from the New Orleans Police Department, and

891
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I think I got something new here.

892
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, hey, Mike, sorry to break in here, but we

893
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.000
<v Speaker 5>are now getting reports from multiple sources that they are

894
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:07.960
<v Speaker 5>going to be postponing the Sugar Bowl game. Betweet Notre

895
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:12.440
<v Speaker 5>Dame and Georgia. It's going to be pushed off until tomorrow.

896
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.360
<v Speaker 5>The New Orleans Superdome is now under lockdown after this

897
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.320
<v Speaker 5>morning what's being investigated as a terror attack. So no

898
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:24.519
<v Speaker 5>official announcement yet from the Sugar Bowl Committee. They tweeted

899
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.239
<v Speaker 5>out about an hour ago that they were going to

900
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 5>be having these kind of discussions about what to do. Sure,

901
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.280
<v Speaker 5>but there are multiple atlets who are reporting that the

902
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:36.480
<v Speaker 5>game is going to be postponed until tomorrow, So I

903
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:37.840
<v Speaker 5>know our matt Ree is gonna have the latest and

904
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.000
<v Speaker 5>everything that's going down here in about sixty seconds or so.

905
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. Thank you, thank you for that news. Wow,

906
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you know I thought there would be a chance of that.

907
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think it would happen. You know what that

908
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:51.639
<v Speaker 1>tells me? And again, like everybody else, I guess I'm

909
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.960
<v Speaker 1>just speculating. That tells me that there's more to this

910
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 1>than what we know already, or they might just be

911
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 1>doing it in an abundance of caution so they can

912
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:04.519
<v Speaker 1>sweep it and be ready to play the game tomorrow.

913
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:10.039
<v Speaker 1>That's our society today. You know, one Yahoo can affect

914
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:15.559
<v Speaker 1>literally thousands and thousands and thousands of lives and their

915
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.760
<v Speaker 1>daily plans, not to mention the obvious ten people dead,

916
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:24.159
<v Speaker 1>thirty five injured, including two police officers. Hey, we got

917
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to take a break. Button. When we get back, we

918
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>are going to talk sports with Moegger and obviously this

919
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:31.920
<v Speaker 1>will probably be the first thing we talk about. We'll

920
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 1>do that when we get back. Mike Allen in for

921
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Willie seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back, Mike, Allen in

922
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:53.559
<v Speaker 1>for Willie Cunningham on a New Year's Day that I

923
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.039
<v Speaker 1>don't think a lot of people are going to forget.

924
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:59.360
<v Speaker 1>People woke up in the morning, like myself, like you,

925
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, and did not expect to see what we've seen.

926
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>What appears to be a very very serious attack. Obviously

927
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a very very serious incident of terrorism, they are saying

928
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 1>now down in New Orleans in the French Quarter, and

929
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We are going to monitor at the

930
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.679
<v Speaker 1>two o'clock press conference that they said they were going

931
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:30.679
<v Speaker 1>to have has now been moved to be determined, So

932
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.920
<v Speaker 1>we'll see and if anything happens, we'll break in. But

933
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, Hey, a lot of sports going on,

934
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of football, and we're going to talk to

935
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.360
<v Speaker 1>our friend Moe Egger about it.

936
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Mo.

937
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for taking time out of your.

938
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:45.079
<v Speaker 4>Day, of course, Mike, how are you happy to do year?

939
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>You too, buddy? Thank you. Hey, I got to ask you.

940
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:51.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you already heard. The Notre Dame versus Georgia

941
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:55.840
<v Speaker 1>game set for eight forty five, the Sugar Bowl, No, yeah,

942
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 1>that's the Peach Bowl, I guess has been postponed till tomorrow.

943
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen something like that happen before.

944
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:08.239
<v Speaker 4>Not for circumstances like this. No, I don't think any

945
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:10.840
<v Speaker 4>of us have. I mean, obviously, you know after nine

946
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.440
<v Speaker 4>to eleven, everything got shut down. We didn't have sports

947
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:17.000
<v Speaker 4>for about a week and a half. We've had the

948
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.480
<v Speaker 4>weather related issues. I can't recall anything like this. I'm

949
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:25.719
<v Speaker 4>interested in knowing or finding out if they believe and

950
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 4>we're all speculating here, if there was a credible threat

951
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.039
<v Speaker 4>to the Superdome tonight, to the game itself. But no,

952
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:36.159
<v Speaker 4>I can't recall anything like this, and I'm interested in

953
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 4>finding out more. It's obviously a terrible.

954
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Situation, absolutely, and one that obviously no one expects. I'm

955
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:44.519
<v Speaker 1>just I'm shooting from the hip here, mo. But it

956
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.639
<v Speaker 1>seems to me that if they wanted to take that

957
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 1>step something, they've got something that they know. And yeah,

958
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.679
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to have the twenty four hours or so

959
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to clear it out, but we shall see. I gotta

960
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 1>tell you, man, that's that's a game I was really

961
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:03.599
<v Speaker 1>looking forward too. We've got Texas versus Arizona State on.

962
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Texas is up fourteen to three six twenty nine in

963
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the first quarter. It looks like I'm sure you're monitoring

964
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.760
<v Speaker 1>that one as well.

965
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:21.159
<v Speaker 4>I am. Yeah, Texas is imposing itself offensively against Arizona State.

966
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.119
<v Speaker 4>Arizona State got the ball first, there was a big

967
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 4>special team's mistake which allowed the Sun Devils to length.

968
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.400
<v Speaker 4>And there there's a game opening drive obviously settled for

969
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 4>a field goal, and then Texas got the ball in

970
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:36.559
<v Speaker 4>the two play score a touchdown. This game had an

971
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.039
<v Speaker 4>eleven and a half point spread, and so far in

972
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.119
<v Speaker 4>the first half of the first quarter you could you

973
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:42.840
<v Speaker 4>could see why.

974
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, just a little bit that I've been watching.

975
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. Big one, big, big, big one.

976
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:53.519
<v Speaker 1>At five o'clock today, Rose Bowl, Ohio State versus Oregon,

977
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I think this is going to I'm gonna watch them all,

978
00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 1>but this is going to be one that you really

979
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:01.159
<v Speaker 1>want watch. What do you think?

980
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:02.880
<v Speaker 4>I think so?

981
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the.

982
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.079
<v Speaker 4>Winner of this game is going to win the national championship.

983
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.039
<v Speaker 4>You know, this is a rematch of one of the

984
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 4>best games of the season, won by Oregon by a

985
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:15.760
<v Speaker 4>point over Ohio State. You know, if you were paying

986
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 4>attention to the game last night when Penn State beat

987
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.920
<v Speaker 4>Boise State and frankly overmatched him, you see the inherent

988
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.079
<v Speaker 4>flaw in the system. Right, Penn State was seated sixth,

989
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.199
<v Speaker 4>they get a chance to play a higher seeded team

990
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.000
<v Speaker 4>in Boise State that was seated where it was because

991
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:33.320
<v Speaker 4>they give the top four seats to the top four

992
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:36.760
<v Speaker 4>highest ranked conference champions, and so the Big Ten runner

993
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:40.639
<v Speaker 4>up gets, frankly, an easier opponent in the quarterfinal than

994
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 4>the Big Ten champ. Right, who is Oregon? And they

995
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.280
<v Speaker 4>play an Ohio State team. If you look at the

996
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.960
<v Speaker 4>four teams that won in the first round, I think

997
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:50.199
<v Speaker 4>the Buckeyes were head and shoulders the most impressive of

998
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.920
<v Speaker 4>the four. Their defense all season long has been terrific.

999
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:56.320
<v Speaker 4>What offense do we see today? Do we see the

1000
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 4>offense that had its way early on and late in

1001
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.639
<v Speaker 4>the game again Tennessee. Or do we see the offense that,

1002
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:05.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, frankly, looked like it was not very aggressive

1003
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:09.320
<v Speaker 4>and kind of manhandled itself by Michigan in the in

1004
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.079
<v Speaker 4>the regular season finale. I can't wait to find out today.

1005
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:14.960
<v Speaker 4>I do think the two teams whoever emerges from this

1006
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:18.239
<v Speaker 4>one in Pasadena is going to win the national title.

1007
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 4>And of the four games today and I was like

1008
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.880
<v Speaker 4>you looking forward to a notre Dame Georgia, because I

1009
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.519
<v Speaker 4>think that game is really interesting. But the marquee of

1010
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:28.599
<v Speaker 4>the four for the Buckeyes.

1011
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:30.760
<v Speaker 1>And Ducks, Yep, no question about it. Let me ask

1012
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>you this, and excuse my ignorance with it. Is there

1013
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.559
<v Speaker 1>a chance if Ohio State wins and Notre Dame wins,

1014
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:40.320
<v Speaker 1>that you have a national championship game with Ohio State

1015
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.800
<v Speaker 1>and Notre Dame. With respect to the brackets, which I'm

1016
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:44.239
<v Speaker 1>just not all that familiar with.

1017
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:49.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so Notre Dame is playing as the seventh seed.

1018
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 4>They are playing the two seed Georgia, and Ohio State's

1019
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.079
<v Speaker 4>playing the top seed. They do not It's not like

1020
00:56:56.119 --> 00:57:00.039
<v Speaker 4>the NFL playoffs where they reseed after every round. So

1021
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.400
<v Speaker 4>if Notre Dame were to win the game of the

1022
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:07.320
<v Speaker 4>Sugar Bowl Game, the Fighting Iris would play in the

1023
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.119
<v Speaker 4>semifinals and the Buckeyes would advance to the semifinals. And

1024
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.840
<v Speaker 4>if those two teams won their respective semifinal games, those

1025
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.920
<v Speaker 4>two schools would meet on January the twentieth, and at

1026
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:20.199
<v Speaker 4>least in this part of the country. I'm not sure

1027
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 4>if they would care on the coasts, but in this

1028
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.639
<v Speaker 4>part of the country that would be pretty massive.

1029
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:25.760
<v Speaker 2>I tend would give you a.

1030
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 4>Great storyline because Marcus Freeman, the head coach of Notre Dame,

1031
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:31.679
<v Speaker 4>is a former.

1032
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State Buckeye.

1033
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. I'll tell you what. It's gonna

1034
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:39.519
<v Speaker 1>divide the family. In the Allen family, my son Mike Junior,

1035
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:42.920
<v Speaker 1>heard here on the Big One Sunday Nights, is a

1036
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:48.239
<v Speaker 1>rabid Ohio State fan. I love Notre Dame, so that'll

1037
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:49.960
<v Speaker 1>be a fun one for us, if, in fact, it

1038
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.559
<v Speaker 1>comes off. I think you already answered this moment. I'm

1039
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna ask you again. I didn't ask it this way

1040
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:58.840
<v Speaker 1>last time. But the college playoff system as it is

1041
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:02.840
<v Speaker 1>now first year. Yeah, their flaws, as you have accurately

1042
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:06.239
<v Speaker 1>pointed out, But overall, Mough, do you think it has

1043
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.159
<v Speaker 1>been good? Are you glad they went to it? Or

1044
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:11.199
<v Speaker 1>is it something that should be scrapped.

1045
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:13.119
<v Speaker 2>No.

1046
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.760
<v Speaker 4>I think it's been a positive for one simple reason,

1047
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.440
<v Speaker 4>and it has its imperfections, and they're going to tweak it.

1048
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.440
<v Speaker 4>I think you'll see it doing a way of how

1049
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.360
<v Speaker 4>they see the top four teams. I think they should

1050
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:27.239
<v Speaker 4>take a good hard look at you know, in the

1051
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.400
<v Speaker 4>first round games they were played on campus sites. I

1052
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 4>think they should take a good hard look at maybe

1053
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.280
<v Speaker 4>making something like that possible in the in the quarterfinals.

1054
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:38.760
<v Speaker 4>But what it has done more than anything else is

1055
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:42.280
<v Speaker 4>I think it has given college football fans, more college

1056
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:47.119
<v Speaker 4>football fans a belief that their program, their team has

1057
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.639
<v Speaker 4>access to the national championship, right And I think the

1058
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.079
<v Speaker 4>way obviously the way we did it in the DCS

1059
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:56.760
<v Speaker 4>and the way we did it in the first decade

1060
00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.840
<v Speaker 4>of the college Football Playoff, with you know, a maximum

1061
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 4>of four teams, you had a lot of fans who

1062
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.239
<v Speaker 4>felt like your team truly didn't have access to the

1063
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:09.320
<v Speaker 4>national championship. And now I think everybody looks at the

1064
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 4>playoff as attainable. It's not unlike the NCAA Tournament in basketball,

1065
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.960
<v Speaker 4>where every fan of every program in the country feels

1066
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:21.119
<v Speaker 4>like our team can make the tournament. Now not every

1067
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:23.480
<v Speaker 4>team is, you know, in the NCAA tournament has a

1068
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:25.400
<v Speaker 4>legitimate chance to win the whole thing, and I think

1069
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:28.039
<v Speaker 4>you have something similar here. You know, I don't think

1070
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:30.119
<v Speaker 4>anybody looked at Indiana as a team that was going

1071
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.920
<v Speaker 4>to win four games, but at least they're in. And

1072
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:36.719
<v Speaker 4>so it's got imperfections, It's got some things that I

1073
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.599
<v Speaker 4>think need to be looked at. I balked at the

1074
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:42.639
<v Speaker 4>suggestion that they should expand to sixteen, because then I

1075
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:44.519
<v Speaker 4>do feel like you water it down a little bit

1076
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:48.039
<v Speaker 4>too much. And I do think you've had a devaluing

1077
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:51.119
<v Speaker 4>of things like conference championship games, putting two teams that

1078
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:53.760
<v Speaker 4>each are going to make the playoff. But at the

1079
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:55.679
<v Speaker 4>end of the day, I think you have more fans

1080
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:57.280
<v Speaker 4>who feel like thirteam has a chance to be in

1081
00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:59.000
<v Speaker 4>the postseason, and I think that's a good thing for

1082
00:59:59.079 --> 00:59:59.440
<v Speaker 4>the sport.

1083
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. I mean, so far, I think

1084
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:04.519
<v Speaker 1>it's gone pretty well, and I guess we'll just have

1085
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.679
<v Speaker 1>to keep watching. Let me shift gears real quick. The

1086
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>NFL no games today, I don't think that I know of.

1087
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:13.639
<v Speaker 1>But the biggie for us at least Bengals Steelers tomorrow

1088
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.119
<v Speaker 1>at eight o'clock. And obviously I know the Bengals have

1089
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.599
<v Speaker 1>to win out. Can you for myself and I think

1090
01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:24.400
<v Speaker 1>other people too, MO just go through what has to

1091
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:28.199
<v Speaker 1>happen for the Bengals to win. I'm sorry to make

1092
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.400
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs. What has to happen with the other teams?

1093
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:34.440
<v Speaker 1>If you can let us know, that would help.

1094
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:39.519
<v Speaker 4>Sure you know it's gone from something that was almost

1095
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:42.599
<v Speaker 4>impossible to articulate for folks is something that I think

1096
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.519
<v Speaker 4>has become pretty easy to articulate for folks and something

1097
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:48.559
<v Speaker 4>that I look. The odds are not in the bengals favor,

1098
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.039
<v Speaker 4>But you know, four weeks ago we thought, God, they

1099
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.000
<v Speaker 4>need about seventeen different things to happen. Well, now they

1100
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 4>need three. The first of which is, obviously Bengals have

1101
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:01.280
<v Speaker 4>to win on Saturday night. If they don't, their season

1102
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:04.280
<v Speaker 4>is over. If they do, we're gonna be watching two

1103
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.719
<v Speaker 4>games very closely, both of them in the four o'clock

1104
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:09.840
<v Speaker 4>window on Sunday. The first one is Kansas City versus Denver.

1105
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:12.840
<v Speaker 4>If Denver wins that game, the Broncos are going to

1106
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:14.800
<v Speaker 4>be in the playoffs and the Bengals will be eliminated.

1107
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.239
<v Speaker 4>The interesting dynamic there is, obviously, the Chiefs have sealed

1108
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:23.079
<v Speaker 4>the top overall seeds, right, and so they have nothing

1109
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:25.719
<v Speaker 4>to play for. They're probably not going to play their

1110
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:29.480
<v Speaker 4>main guys. But I do think not playing your starters

1111
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.159
<v Speaker 4>doesn't have to mean that the players who play aren't

1112
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:36.159
<v Speaker 4>gonna play hard, right, So I do genuinely think that

1113
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:39.280
<v Speaker 4>the Chiefs players who are in the game are are

1114
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:41.079
<v Speaker 4>going to play as hard as they can. Are going

1115
01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:42.320
<v Speaker 4>to put forth good effort.

1116
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:44.920
<v Speaker 2>We'll see, We'll see if.

1117
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:46.960
<v Speaker 4>That adds up to a victory. The game is in Denver.

1118
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.440
<v Speaker 4>The Broncos nearly beat Kansas City sixteen to fourteen a

1119
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.000
<v Speaker 4>number of weeks ago, and so even a full strength

1120
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:58.880
<v Speaker 4>Kansas City team may struggle with Denver. But the Bengals

1121
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:01.519
<v Speaker 4>are going to need the Chiefs back to pull off

1122
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:04.079
<v Speaker 4>the upset. And then they're gonna need the Miami Dolphins

1123
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.920
<v Speaker 4>to lose to the New York Jets. And you know,

1124
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:10.679
<v Speaker 4>Miami quite friends the Browns was not very impressive on Sunday.

1125
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.039
<v Speaker 4>The Jets, who have nothing to play for against the

1126
01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:16.559
<v Speaker 4>Buffalo Bills, looked like a team that had quit. I'm

1127
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:20.000
<v Speaker 4>actually more concerned as a Bengals fan. I'm more concerned

1128
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:23.159
<v Speaker 4>about what the Jets do than the Chiefs because the Chiefs.

1129
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.360
<v Speaker 4>Chiefs are a good team. Good teams have good backups.

1130
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.119
<v Speaker 4>Those backups will play hard. The Jets are a bad

1131
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 4>team that looks like it's quit. If that continues on Sunday,

1132
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.800
<v Speaker 4>that's not a good proposition. But it's basically this. You

1133
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.079
<v Speaker 4>need the Bengals to win on Saturday. You need the

1134
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:41.519
<v Speaker 4>New York Jets to beat the Miami Dolphins, and you

1135
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:44.199
<v Speaker 4>need the Kansas City Chiefs to beat the Denver Broncos.

1136
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.360
<v Speaker 4>And if those three things happened, this team will be

1137
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.760
<v Speaker 4>playing in Buffalo next weekend.

1138
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:51.840
<v Speaker 1>We who would have thought, I guess five six weeks

1139
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:55.559
<v Speaker 1>ago that that would even be a possibility. And obviously

1140
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't follow it like you do, but I sure

1141
01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:01.559
<v Speaker 1>wasn't thinking playoffs at all. Mean that would really salvage

1142
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the season, wouldn't it.

1143
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:07.480
<v Speaker 4>You think, well, I think what's fun about it is

1144
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:12.000
<v Speaker 4>if they were to get in. I don't think it's

1145
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:16.280
<v Speaker 4>inconceivable to suggest that they could advance.

1146
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:16.719
<v Speaker 2>In the postseason.

1147
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:19.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, we talk about oftentimes in the playoffs, you know,

1148
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:21.960
<v Speaker 4>teams you don't want to play. I think the Bengals

1149
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.079
<v Speaker 4>are the quintessential team you don't want to play. If

1150
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:26.320
<v Speaker 4>the Buffalo Bills are sitting there is the two seed.

1151
01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:28.719
<v Speaker 4>The last guy in the world I want to see

1152
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:31.760
<v Speaker 4>is a quarterback who is coming too my building in

1153
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:35.119
<v Speaker 4>the postseason and won, and that's Joe Burrow. The last

1154
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:37.159
<v Speaker 4>thing I want to see as a quarterback who has

1155
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:41.199
<v Speaker 4>legitimate MVP bona fides, as Josh Allen of the Bills

1156
01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:44.000
<v Speaker 4>does as well. I don't know that that's what I

1157
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:46.920
<v Speaker 4>want to see. So to me, that's really the fun thing.

1158
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:49.800
<v Speaker 4>It's not like, boy, if they got in, that'd be

1159
01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:52.800
<v Speaker 4>a neat story and then they'd get destroyed. I think

1160
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:54.639
<v Speaker 4>they'd have a chance to do some damage. And the

1161
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:56.880
<v Speaker 4>Buffalo Bills do not have a very good defense. We've

1162
01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.159
<v Speaker 4>seen what the Bengals have done on offense the last

1163
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:02.039
<v Speaker 4>few weeks. And then if you can win that game,

1164
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 4>and we're getting a little ahead of ourselves, they go

1165
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.800
<v Speaker 4>to Kansas City. And if you're a Chiefs fan, the

1166
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:09.159
<v Speaker 4>one thing you know about Joe Burrow is that's the

1167
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:11.800
<v Speaker 4>guy who's coming to your building in the postseason and won,

1168
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.760
<v Speaker 4>and he nearly pulled off of victory Week two in

1169
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:17.760
<v Speaker 4>Kansas City this year, And so I think the fun

1170
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.440
<v Speaker 4>thing is to think about what they could do if

1171
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.679
<v Speaker 4>they did get in. But in order to get in,

1172
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:23.559
<v Speaker 4>they need help fight.

1173
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, you mentioned Joe Burrow. I mean again, I'm not

1174
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:29.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't follow it that much, but how can that

1175
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:33.039
<v Speaker 1>guy not be the most valuable player. I mean, he's

1176
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.360
<v Speaker 1>leading the league in passing ours four six hundred and

1177
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:38.920
<v Speaker 1>forty one. The guy's right behind him. I forget whose

1178
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:42.159
<v Speaker 1>name is as close to that, but I don't know

1179
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.280
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on that. Will he be the NFL MVP.

1180
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.360
<v Speaker 4>He's probably not going to be, and that doesn't mean

1181
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:52.840
<v Speaker 4>that he shouldn't be. But you know, Number one, there

1182
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.280
<v Speaker 4>hasn't been a playoff or there hasn't been an MVP

1183
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:59.320
<v Speaker 4>from a non playoff team since OJ Simpson in nineteen

1184
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.079
<v Speaker 4>seventy three. His team went nine and five. We didn't

1185
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.800
<v Speaker 4>have the expanded playoffs we do now, and so you know,

1186
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.239
<v Speaker 4>you have to go back a half century to find

1187
01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:11.719
<v Speaker 4>the last time a guy won an MVP without appearing

1188
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.639
<v Speaker 4>in the postseason. So history works against Joe Burrow. If

1189
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:16.880
<v Speaker 4>you look at the recent history of of the award,

1190
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.320
<v Speaker 4>the last eleven years, that's gone to a quarterback, and

1191
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:23.920
<v Speaker 4>the quarterback who has won the award has typically been

1192
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:26.480
<v Speaker 4>on an eleven win team, or a twelve win team,

1193
01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:29.280
<v Speaker 4>or a thirteen win team. And so what's gonna work

1194
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:33.719
<v Speaker 4>against Joe is the other two leading contenders, Josh Allen

1195
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.800
<v Speaker 4>and Lamar Jackson, are just on better football teams, or

1196
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:40.400
<v Speaker 4>at least are on teams that have better records. Lamar

1197
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:42.960
<v Speaker 4>Jackson has won the head to head matchups against Joe

1198
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:46.000
<v Speaker 4>Burrow and against Josh Allen, so that plays in his favor.

1199
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:48.639
<v Speaker 4>But I think if you're looking at Joe number one

1200
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:52.360
<v Speaker 4>statistically this season, he's had no peer. I think if

1201
01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:55.280
<v Speaker 4>you're looking for the player who has had to overcome

1202
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:59.079
<v Speaker 4>the most, nothing against Josh Allen, who's a marvelous player

1203
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.599
<v Speaker 4>on a Bill team that doesn't have a great defense.

1204
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:04.920
<v Speaker 4>Nothing against Lamar Jackson, who is a two time MVP

1205
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:08.800
<v Speaker 4>and a tremendous player. Joe Burrow is playing on a

1206
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:12.320
<v Speaker 4>team where, offensively, I think takes the field every week

1207
01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:15.119
<v Speaker 4>knowing two things. A. I've got to prop up a

1208
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.119
<v Speaker 4>bad defense and B I'm gonna get hit a lot

1209
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:19.800
<v Speaker 4>or I'm at least going to be chased a lot

1210
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:22.400
<v Speaker 4>because I don't play behind a very good offensive line,

1211
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.719
<v Speaker 4>and so I think it's bad. I think it's also

1212
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:28.480
<v Speaker 4>the moments he has come up big in, including obviously

1213
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:31.599
<v Speaker 4>Saturday night in that game against Denver. I don't think

1214
01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:34.119
<v Speaker 4>he's going to win it, but the fact that you could,

1215
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:35.840
<v Speaker 4>because I don't think we've ever done this before. I

1216
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.320
<v Speaker 4>don't think we've ever looked at a player on a

1217
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:43.159
<v Speaker 4>five hundred team and legitimately made his MVP case. The

1218
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:46.280
<v Speaker 4>fact that you can for Joe does two things tells

1219
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:48.880
<v Speaker 4>you how great he's been. Also tells you how the

1220
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:50.920
<v Speaker 4>Bengals are on the verge of wasting that greatness this

1221
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:53.719
<v Speaker 4>year if they don't get into the postseason.

1222
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Yep, you know, I tell you, I got to answer

1223
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you this question. Its apropos and nothing mo. But you

1224
01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:02.960
<v Speaker 1>think the Cleveland Browns are having some heartburn about Baker

1225
01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Mayfield giving up on him too early Given what he's doing.

1226
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:09.679
<v Speaker 1>I think he's like third in passing yards.

1227
01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:12.599
<v Speaker 4>He's been, to me, one of the really neat success

1228
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:15.679
<v Speaker 4>to the NFL, because not only you know, not only

1229
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.960
<v Speaker 4>did he get bounced by the Browns, he went to Carolina,

1230
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:21.360
<v Speaker 4>didn't work out there, they got rid of him, girding

1231
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:24.519
<v Speaker 4>the season two years ago, went to Los Angeles, had

1232
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:27.400
<v Speaker 4>a cup of coffee with the Rams, and now he's

1233
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.760
<v Speaker 4>proven to be the worthy successor to Tom Brady and

1234
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.400
<v Speaker 4>Tampa Bay. He's got a nine figure contract, he's on

1235
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:34.599
<v Speaker 4>the verge of getting the Buccaneers into the postseason for

1236
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:38.480
<v Speaker 4>the second consecutive year. And you know, the Browns. The

1237
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:41.000
<v Speaker 4>word out of Cleveland was, well, they wanted an adult

1238
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:44.639
<v Speaker 4>in the room. Maybe but I watched the Bucks, and

1239
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.639
<v Speaker 4>those guys on their offense seem to love playing with him.

1240
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.119
<v Speaker 4>They've been very fun to watch. There's lots of reasons

1241
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:54.440
<v Speaker 4>to kick yourself if you're a Cleveland brownsan Baker Mayfield

1242
01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:55.480
<v Speaker 4>has given him another reason.

1243
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know. I mean, they just can't win at quarterback.

1244
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:01.440
<v Speaker 1>It seems like no matter what they do, it doesn't

1245
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.400
<v Speaker 1>work out. And they're the Browns. So frankly, I don't

1246
01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:07.480
<v Speaker 1>really care. Hey, got a couple of minutes here, I

1247
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.199
<v Speaker 1>want to just ask you about the Reds a little bit. Obviously,

1248
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:15.320
<v Speaker 1>big big change, Terry Francona coming in as the new manager. Man,

1249
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:18.439
<v Speaker 1>what a great get that was for the Reds. Would

1250
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:19.039
<v Speaker 1>you agree?

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<v Speaker 4>Anytime you can get a manager who's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>in the Hall of Fame, who has won big markets,

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<v Speaker 4>small markets, he's one with a big payroll a smaller payroll.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good thing. I don't know that there's anybody

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<v Speaker 4>in the sport who feels like he's more universally beloved,

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<v Speaker 4>more universally respected. He has managed veteran players, he has

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01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:45.039
<v Speaker 4>managed younger players. I legitimately, as a diehard baseball fan

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<v Speaker 4>as you are, Mike I've never heard anybody say anything

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01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:52.319
<v Speaker 4>negative about Terry Francona, Yep, the manager. I think though

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<v Speaker 4>that in the two two and a half months subsequent

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<v Speaker 4>to firing, to finding out that Terry Francona was going

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01:08:57.920 --> 01:08:59.359
<v Speaker 4>to be the manager, I think if you're a Reds

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<v Speaker 4>fan and you're growing a little bit impatient with you know,

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<v Speaker 4>what are they going to do to make the team better? Ye,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's completely fair. I like the acquisition of

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01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:11.000
<v Speaker 4>Brady Singer, a picture they got from the Kansas City Royals,

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<v Speaker 4>because they needed and I think still need starting pitchers

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01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:17.279
<v Speaker 4>who have gotten through a full season without having to

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<v Speaker 4>go on the injured list. But this team wasn't very

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<v Speaker 4>good offensively last year, Mike, as you well know. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to get some guys back who you know

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<v Speaker 4>didn't play much or didn't play at all last season,

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01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:29.279
<v Speaker 4>and that's going to help. Still feel like they need

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01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:31.600
<v Speaker 4>a bat in the outfield, and they's still time to

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<v Speaker 4>go get one. But I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 4>in early October thought at least by the time the

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<v Speaker 4>calendar flips the twenty twenty five, they will have gotten

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<v Speaker 4>that bet. And we're still waiting to see what Nick

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<v Speaker 4>carl does.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you know. I mean, they did address some

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<v Speaker 1>of their needs. The pitching, I think they addressed pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>Power hitting. You just talked about that. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I guess there's just nobody out there also, Mo.

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<v Speaker 1>This will be the last question. The defense I checked

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<v Speaker 1>last week when I was talking to Yiddy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The red I think are twenty seventh out of thirty

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<v Speaker 1>in team defense. A guy like Terry Francona, he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to crack the whip early on on, that, isn't he.

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<v Speaker 4>I think so, because you know defense, it's not just

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<v Speaker 4>measured in errors, right, That's a pretty basic way to

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01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.800
<v Speaker 4>evaluate a defense. I think sometimes it's thrown the ball

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<v Speaker 4>to the right base, right, not giving up an extra

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01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:29.840
<v Speaker 4>base because the ball was misplayed, making the routine play,

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<v Speaker 4>holding players accountable when they don't make the routine play.

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<v Speaker 4>This team, I think you're exactly right. If you were

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about last season, the part of the year

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01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:41.960
<v Speaker 4>that didn't get talked about nearly enough was it was

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01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:45.680
<v Speaker 4>a bad defensive team. And I think if you are

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<v Speaker 4>likely to see an immediate impact made by a manager,

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<v Speaker 4>it's there, It's right there, it's in that part of

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<v Speaker 4>the team, not giving up extra outs, not giving up

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01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:02.800
<v Speaker 4>extra bases, making the routine play and again, and Terry

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<v Speaker 4>Frankconer has talked about this, holding players accountable when they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, all right, Moe really appreciates you taking time out

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01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.319
<v Speaker 1>of your New Year's Day to talk to us. Really

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01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:13.520
<v Speaker 1>do appreciate.

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<v Speaker 4>It anytime, Mike, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you, all right, mo Eger giving us the

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01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:23.359
<v Speaker 1>rundown on the bowl games, and of course now we

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01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.319
<v Speaker 1>have one Notre Dame Georgia, the Sugar Bowl, which has

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01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:31.680
<v Speaker 1>moved to tomorrow. Am I right about that, Dave? Yeah,

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01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:36.560
<v Speaker 1>same time tomorrow. That'd be eight forty five, So I

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01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:38.760
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm doing tomorrow. Hey, we got to take

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01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:41.520
<v Speaker 1>a break, but we'll be back. Not sure what we're

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01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:44.760
<v Speaker 1>going to have, still waiting on that police briefing, which

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01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:47.560
<v Speaker 1>now they're saying again is going to be two o'clock,

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01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:49.960
<v Speaker 1>but I'll believe it when I see it. Whatever we

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<v Speaker 1>do when we come back from the news, I guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>you it'll be interesting. Mike Allen in for Willie seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen in for Willie Cunningham. Just for a few

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01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:08.960
<v Speaker 1>more minutes with me. Is the guy that's coming in

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01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:10.960
<v Speaker 1>after me, Dan Carroll?

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, What a.

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<v Speaker 1>Morning, Mike.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I want to say Happy New Year, but

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<v Speaker 6>this is not the way the new year should start.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not it's you know, so we can't have nice things.

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<v Speaker 1>Man went to bed last night thinking, Hey, New Year

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01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:26.039
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow morning, woke up. Was not expecting this, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was singing to myself.

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<v Speaker 6>And one of the first things that occurred to me

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<v Speaker 6>when I heard about this was that this is New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've been there.

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<v Speaker 6>I've never I've never been to the French Quarter, so

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01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:38.880
<v Speaker 6>I don't have that sort of situational awareness of how

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01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:41.239
<v Speaker 6>it's all laid out there. But I was thinking to myself,

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01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:45.119
<v Speaker 6>in New Orleans, they do this all the time. When

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<v Speaker 6>you talk about having thousands of people walking around the streets,

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01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:53.079
<v Speaker 6>especially Marti grow when we do this in Cincinnati. Think

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01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:55.399
<v Speaker 6>about what happens in Cincinnati when we have the Opening

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01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:57.479
<v Speaker 6>Day Parade, when we have Tastes of Cincinnati, when we

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01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:01.039
<v Speaker 6>have Octoberfest. It is a nightmare trying to drive around

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01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:03.479
<v Speaker 6>downtown because there is no access to those streets right

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01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:07.079
<v Speaker 6>where those events are taking place. And if we can

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01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:10.000
<v Speaker 6>do that here in Cincinnati, it seems to me they

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<v Speaker 6>ought to be able to do the same thing in

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01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:15.760
<v Speaker 6>New Orleans and prevent something like this from taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know me, I'm loath to criticize cops. However,

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01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:23.359
<v Speaker 1>the New Orleans Police Department does not have a real

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<v Speaker 1>good reputation.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they don't.

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01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:26.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm just putting that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>And I've got Ken Kober coming up talk about this

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<v Speaker 6>after the news of the earlierpective. Yeah, well that's good

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01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:37.119
<v Speaker 6>because you and with all the information we just got

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<v Speaker 6>from the news conference there, and I think when you

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<v Speaker 6>listen to what Senator Kennedy had to say, I think

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<v Speaker 6>he's really given people a lot to read between the

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01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:48.079
<v Speaker 6>lines there, that there's a lot more to this than

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01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:48.600
<v Speaker 6>meets the eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Well, and also throwing the gauntlet down with the FBI. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm gonna support you. I'm going to support

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01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:59.199
<v Speaker 1>you for now. There is such a distrust among people,

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01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.279
<v Speaker 1>mainly Republicblicans of the FBI.

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<v Speaker 6>Isn't that terrible? That's where we are in this country

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<v Speaker 6>right now. You know, I don't want I criticize. I

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01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:10.920
<v Speaker 6>have criticized Alejandro may Orcus, the head of Homeland Security,

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01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:13.600
<v Speaker 6>from from one side to the other. I mean, up

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<v Speaker 6>and down all day, every day. And I hate it

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01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:19.520
<v Speaker 6>that I do that. And Kennedy was taking a shot

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01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:21.760
<v Speaker 6>at me Orcus right there. He said, I've spoken with

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01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:24.199
<v Speaker 6>the head of Homeland Security, and he said, I tell

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01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:26.600
<v Speaker 6>I told him he's got to tell the American people

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01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.399
<v Speaker 6>the truth. Why because he hasn't been telling the truth

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01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:30.640
<v Speaker 6>the whole time he's been.

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<v Speaker 2>The head of that organization.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I was coming up in law enforcement, Dan,

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01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:37.039
<v Speaker 1>I know, I got a few years on you. The

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01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:41.239
<v Speaker 1>FBI was the top of the mountain, the peak, the pinnacle.

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01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:44.560
<v Speaker 1>And if anyone would have said, well, you know what,

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01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:49.399
<v Speaker 1>they might get political. They were so completely a political,

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01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:54.159
<v Speaker 1>so well respected and and the line guys still are.

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01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:57.720
<v Speaker 1>But the leadership, it's just a damn shame. And hopefully

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01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:00.399
<v Speaker 1>hopefully they can bring that back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 6>I think a lot of that started with Komy when

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01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:08.000
<v Speaker 6>he was unable to when you're in a position like that, Mike,

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01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.079
<v Speaker 6>and I've been saying this for years now, when you

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01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:12.760
<v Speaker 6>are in a position like like where he was ahead

1393
01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:17.359
<v Speaker 6>of the FBI, and you have the occasion to speak

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01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:20.279
<v Speaker 6>directly to the president of the United States. You have

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01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:24.079
<v Speaker 6>to give the President of the United States unvarnished information

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01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:27.439
<v Speaker 6>that he can use to make that decision. Your politics

1397
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:29.840
<v Speaker 6>has to take It can't even be in the rear

1398
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:32.680
<v Speaker 6>very mirror. You have to totally divorce yourself from politics

1399
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:36.119
<v Speaker 6>because your your duty to the country is far more

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<v Speaker 6>important than any political considerations you might have.

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01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:41.439
<v Speaker 1>And he let himself because that's right. And prior to

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01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:45.439
<v Speaker 1>all that nonsense, they were and the same with DJ too,

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01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:48.199
<v Speaker 1>And I got a feeling Trump is going to do

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01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:51.479
<v Speaker 1>a deep, deep, deep cleaning on both of them and

1405
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:52.079
<v Speaker 1>he needs to.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, people are listening to us right now, Sougar Hoover,

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01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:58.439
<v Speaker 6>what about that? Well, you know I'm talking about you know,

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01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:00.640
<v Speaker 6>relative current history here. I'm not you know, I'm not

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01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.159
<v Speaker 6>going all the way back there because the issues that

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01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:07.000
<v Speaker 6>we have, what and you saw reflected in that news

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01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.840
<v Speaker 6>conference that we just watched, are based on what was

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01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:12.800
<v Speaker 6>happening when when Comber was in there and the FBI

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01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:16.239
<v Speaker 6>brought all this distrust upon themselves.

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01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Yep, got no one to think but themselves. Cash Ptel

1415
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:24.239
<v Speaker 1>is an interesting choice for FBI director. However, having said that,

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01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:26.439
<v Speaker 1>I think he's going to go in there and kick ass.

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01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:27.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think Trump's going to back him.

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<v Speaker 6>I hope so, yeah, And I think he and he

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01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.239
<v Speaker 6>should do it in the right way. And this this

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01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:35.760
<v Speaker 6>whole idea that well, when Trump gets in, you know,

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01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:38.359
<v Speaker 6>we should just move forward and move past all this.

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01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, whatever happened to the idea of justice.

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<v Speaker 6>You do something wrong, there's no statute of limitations on

1424
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:45.199
<v Speaker 6>murdering things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know, Daisy Lnas, we gotta go. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen in for Willie Cunningham. Thanks Willy for letting

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<v Speaker 1>me do this. I'm in at nine o'clock tomorrow, nine

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock Friday after me Dan Carroll and he's here and

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<v Speaker 1>he's ready to go right to rock Baby seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>wl Abia
