1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Bridge. I am one 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,119 of your hosts, deal and I'm here with my real 3 00:00:15,119 --> 00:00:21,440 tight homegirl and my daughter in law, the beloved Beetrice. 4 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: That's me. 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: We are here to talk sister wives, honey, and specifically 6 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:32,159 to talk about the catfish. 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: We're finally here. 8 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: I think we've been talking about the catfish since we've 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,640 started our podcast. I think we've been doing this podcast 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:40,719 for what four or five years? 11 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: I think it's like four and a half at this point. 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,799 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I know we've been doing this forever, but 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,359 like we've been talking about it from the very beginning, 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,119 we're finally here, Beatrice. 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: We made it. 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: We did make it. Before we get into this reecap, 17 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:56,439 we do have to issue you a disclaimer though, please 18 00:00:57,079 --> 00:01:02,320 how'd your wife looks good? Room in the class. We're 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,120 in a reverend podcast. Obviously, we say stupid things. We 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,239 make a lot of jokes. Nothing is to be taken seriously, 21 00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:13,319 and so live yourself. Get out here, William. You might 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:18,319 want to find yourself another dumpster. But if you're ready 23 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:23,560 to have Caleb ask Cody for Maddy's hand in grooming marriage, 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,719 then welcome to this dumpster. 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: And if you like what we do over here, please 26 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:32,000 be sure to follow us on the Instagram at reality 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,200 tv crnch and join us on Patreon, patron dot com, sosh, 28 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,400 reality tv Cringe. The VIP dumpster is where it's at. Honestly, 29 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:40,920 you get all of our weekly episodes ad free, plus 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:41,719 bonus content. 31 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,599 Speaker 1: What Morgan you was so much content? 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:45,159 Speaker 2: Guys. 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,959 Speaker 1: Now, if you are watching on YouTube, please don't forget 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,560 to like and comment and share, a subscribe, and also 35 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,920 hype your girls up. We are working for this money 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,079 and we are working for the hypes. Every little thing 37 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,840 you do helps us send the algorith ball allegedly allegedly, 38 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:08,039 and so thank you in advance. 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:08,719 Speaker 2: Thank you. 40 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:11,319 Speaker 1: Hey, do you have to warn you? I'm on one. 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. 42 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,319 Speaker 1: I'm like energy is all over the place. I'm excited, 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,879 I'm very tired. I'm about to be drinking. This could 44 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:21,719 get very wild, my debt. 45 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: They will. 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: So before we get into the recap, I have to 47 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:27,719 ask you, Beatrice, did you have any takeaways on this 48 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:29,960 the final episode of season nine. 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: Well, I've seen this episode before, but it's been a 50 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,560 minute and so rewatching it again, I can't get over 51 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,120 how they like edited the catfish conversation because like when 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,599 the adults are talking in Alaska, Mary's just like, I 53 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:47,400 don't know what I want to do, so I'm gonna leave. 54 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:47,960 I don't know. 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,199 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do something, but. 56 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:53,439 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. But she's not saying, hey, 57 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:54,639 I was having phone sex. 58 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: I was having an actual emotional affair with a guy 59 00:02:59,039 --> 00:02:59,960 who turned out to. 60 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: A woman a woman like, she's not saying that, but 61 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,439 then to the camera she's airing out all of the 62 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:06,319 catfish drama. 63 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:10,599 Speaker 1: But even then she's skirting around things. She's not just 64 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:13,199 coming out plainly and talking about what happened. It was 65 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:13,960 really annoying. 66 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, super annoying. 67 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: Well, my takeaway is that I think this is a 68 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:23,039 very nuanced situation because Mary was really annoying me with 69 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,680 the way that she was communicating or not communicating. But 70 00:03:26,719 --> 00:03:29,000 at the same time, I had a lot of sympathy 71 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:32,039 and compassion for her because of what she has been 72 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,000 through in her relationship with Cody. So there's just a 73 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:38,120 lot going on. Yeah, I was feeling a lot. Me too. 74 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:40,599 Speaker 2: Actually, I feel like it's gonna be a very interesting 75 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:42,080 discussion today me too. 76 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: So without further ado, let's get into our recap of 77 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,520 Sister Wives Season nine, episode twelve. 78 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:57,039 Speaker 2: Twelve, twelve twelve and tot Mary Catfish. She got gone 79 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,639 by the internet, and I've got some shit to say 80 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:02,439 about that when we get to that, because I mean, 81 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,000 you got a stupid a little bit. 82 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: But oh yeah, it's fine, she admits it. 83 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: Actually she does a little bit. But we resume the 84 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,960 last half of the Alaska vacation. It's like the fifth 85 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:16,160 day or whatever in Alaska. Everybody in the family is like, 86 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:20,160 this is the best most fun vacation we've ever had 87 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:24,639 in our lives. Like everyone's super happy, especially Cody and Robin, 88 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:27,920 Like everyone's living their best life. We have like a 89 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,360 little scene where we have the older kids, Logan, Michelle, Caleb, 90 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:36,519 and Maddie go out to dinner or lunch or whatever 91 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,759 together and this was like kind of a nothing burger. 92 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,480 They're kind of like talking about their relationships and growing 93 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,920 up in polygamy, and Logan does talk a little bit 94 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:52,120 about how being the eldest boy in a polygamist family, 95 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:56,399 everybody just automatically assumes he's going to be a polygamist 96 00:04:56,399 --> 00:05:00,480 as well. And actually this is why Michelle didn't pursue 97 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,000 him at first, even though she thought he was what 98 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,680 she then realized that he doesn't want to be a polygamist. 99 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,560 He's a one woman man, and so then she snatched 100 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,160 him right up. 101 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: Yep. And then I think both Logan and Maddie asked 102 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:18,000 their partners whether they were nervous to meet the entire family. 103 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,800 Were they intimidated by Cody? And Michelle talks about how 104 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,319 she loves Cody. He's got such a fun, quirky spirit, 105 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,720 and Caleb's like, yeah, he doesn't intimidate me, not at all. 106 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:33,519 Why would he? Yeah, we're the same age. 107 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:39,399 Speaker 2: Seriously though, it's kind of ridiculous. But I did find 108 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,279 it interesting when Maddie was talking about like her dating 109 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,879 experience in high school, because she said, you know, for her, 110 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:48,959 she would have boyfriends or whatever, and they would find 111 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,839 out she grew up in polygamy, and so then they 112 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,040 would just automatically think it was okay for them to 113 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,199 date other women while they're dating her, which is whack. 114 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,560 But she ultimately found Caleb. He sold me, Oh god, 115 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:08,319 and I'm just like I'm looking at him and I'm like, 116 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,279 this dude is like a year younger than me. In 117 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,839 this episode, you know, and they don't. 118 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to be mean. Well, but he's kind 119 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,560 of a schlub. I mean, he's kind of a schlub. 120 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:29,439 And Maddie's eighteen years old, yeah, or like nineteen years 121 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,720 old or whatever. She is, Like, she's a young chippy. 122 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:35,839 You can go out into the world. Man, are a 123 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,800 diim a dozen? Trust me? Like why are we attracted 124 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,959 to Caleb brush? But God bless, yeah, that's your life. 125 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,480 I'm glad you're happy. But I mean, it's a little 126 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,519 he looks like a character from whovill. He just kind 127 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:54,319 of looks like a Marsupial I don't know. Yeah, yeah, 128 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,639 he's like already balding. God bless, God bless. It happens, funny, 129 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,319 it does, right, it does. 130 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: But you know whatever. Then we hear from the adults 131 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:06,480 a little bit on the couch talking about Logan and 132 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:11,879 Michelle and Caleb and Maddie. And it's weird the way 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,160 that they're talking about it, because like Janelle seems a 134 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,160 little like worried or concerned about Logan and Michelle and 135 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,160 like whether or not they're gonna get married and what 136 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,680 their relationship's gonna look like. But when it comes to Maddie, 137 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,920 and Caleb. She's like super supportive. Everybody in the family 138 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:29,839 actually is super supportive and really excited about this twenty eight. 139 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,079 Speaker 1: Year old band. Why do you think that is. I 140 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:32,519 don't know. 141 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,519 Speaker 2: I was like watching it, thinking like, maybe it's because 142 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,720 he was a family he was part of the family before, 143 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:42,920 and so they know that he's not creepy. But then 144 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:44,959 at the same time, I'm like, it's still kind of creepy, 145 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:46,399 like the age difference. 146 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but is he Mormon as well? I don't really 147 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:53,040 know if that's been established, because we know that Maddie 148 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,399 was not accepted into mainstream Mormonism. Yeah, and I'm wondering 149 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:00,839 if Caleb practices. So I'm just wondering if there's some 150 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:05,720 sort of an alignment religiously because he's been around the 151 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:11,560 polygamist structure, he's safe. Yeah, he's a safe person to 152 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:13,279 be around. Maybe. 153 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: I just think it's bizarre and it's actually interesting because 154 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,600 Robin's the only one that points out that disparity. On 155 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:21,160 the couch, she says something like, it's weird how we 156 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,600 have these two extremes, like we're super careful with Logan 157 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,560 and Michelle, but when it comes to Maddie and Caleb 158 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,600 were like super gung ho and excited and like already 159 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,839 planning their wedding. It's just kind of bizarre. 160 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but Michelle is an outsider for sure. Yeah, imperatively speaking. 161 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:40,039 Speaker 2: Maybe they are just distrustful because they don't know her. Yeah, 162 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:44,000 religious extremists or something. It's just bizarre. And then we 163 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,559 have the family kind of splitting off into two groups 164 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,320 to do some various activities. We have Cody and Janelle 165 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,720 and a bunch of the kids going fishing, and then 166 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,919 we have Christine and Robin and I think Mary's there, 167 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,440 or maybe she's back at the cabin talking to Sam. 168 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,279 I don't know. But we have Christine and Robin and 169 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,879 some of the other kids going to do dog sledding, 170 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,240 and it's kind of cute. I guess, like the fishing 171 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:10,399 trip is fun. I would have rather gone fishing than 172 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,000 dog sledding for me, sure. 173 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: Because the fish looked amazing, Oh my god, fresh caught halibe. 174 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,799 Speaker 2: And the salmon hitch. Yes, Oh, I would be eating 175 00:09:19,879 --> 00:09:23,080 so good. And it looked like fun. Christine and Robin 176 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,600 they're dog sledding and on the couch they're kind of 177 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,120 commiserating a little bit, talking shit about how it's really 178 00:09:29,159 --> 00:09:32,720 great that Cody's not there at the dog sledding arena 179 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:35,840 because then Cody would see how well behaved the dogs 180 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:41,240 are and want his wives to act well, behave like dogs. 181 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,519 And I'm just like, whoa, you guys are telling on 182 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,360 yourselves a little bit here. And it was interesting how 183 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,480 Robin was like even playing into it. Yeah, and she 184 00:09:49,639 --> 00:09:53,840 seems like she's genuine right, Like she seems like she's 185 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:57,480 totally shooting the shit with Christine and laughing and making 186 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,519 jokes about how Cody would want to treat them like dogs, 187 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,360 and Robin says something like, well, Nick, the guy who 188 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:08,440 holds all of these sled dogs treats them. 189 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: Well, and that's the difference. 190 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,919 Speaker 2: And that's the difference. And I'm like, why is she 191 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:12,639 saying that? 192 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of telling. And this is another attempt, 193 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:21,039 I think by Robin to align herself with the other 194 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,720 wives and sort of Kiki and say, oh my god, 195 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,000 he treats us like dogs. He treats us so badly. 196 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,080 But we know, yeah that at this time in the timeline, 197 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,000 she's absolutely getting favored and getting everything, So it's not 198 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:33,720 that funny to me. 199 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just interesting to me that she feels 200 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,279 comfortable making jokes like that that put Cody in a 201 00:10:40,279 --> 00:10:43,639 bad light because of her alliance and allegiances to Cody 202 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,600 only always like do you think he watches that back 203 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:48,919 and then gets mad at Robin for saying no, I 204 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:53,320 think he understands that she's being tactical. Yikes, that's so diabolical. 205 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,159 But yeah, anyway, so everybody goes vision and they do 206 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,600 dogs litting and Christine is loud and screaming, and Cody 207 00:10:59,639 --> 00:11:02,240 on the cow talks about how Christine can't be quiet 208 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,879 at all. That's why she can't go fishing because she's 209 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:06,480 a loud ass bitch. 210 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: She's gonna scare all the fish. We were talking about 211 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,639 this last week, how annoying she just. 212 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: Has to scream all the time, Like, just use your 213 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:16,399 inside voice. 214 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: Chill out, it's not that deep. 215 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:22,519 Speaker 2: So then we returned back home to the little rental, 216 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:25,960 and this is where Caleb actually pulls Cody aside to 217 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:31,720 basically ask permission to marry Maddie and ask for her 218 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,320 handed marriage, which we all saw coming. And Cody is 219 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:39,360 giddy and he's like super happy about it, absolutely. 220 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,399 Speaker 1: Just grinning ear to ear. I will say, though, in 221 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:45,639 terms of Caleb and the kind of guy he is. 222 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:49,120 He seemed very sincere. Yes, and when he was talking 223 00:11:49,159 --> 00:11:53,720 about his affection for Maddie and how she's his soulmate 224 00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:56,600 and he thought he would never find his soulmate, and 225 00:11:56,639 --> 00:11:58,679 like he's just loves her so much, Like I could 226 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,240 feel that from him. I do think, irrespective of the 227 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,200 questionable nature around their meeting and courtship, like, I do 228 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,000 think these two people are made for each other. Me too. 229 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,279 And he loves her and Maddie loves him. 230 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like the whole old fashioned like guy 231 00:12:14,879 --> 00:12:18,320 goes asks the daughter to wait, Guy go ask the daughter, 232 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,679 Guy go asks the father right for the daughter's hands. 233 00:12:21,919 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: The patriarchy, I know for sure, but property. 234 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: I know. But it's cute though, Okay. 235 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: I just think it's cute. Tradwife Beatrice, No, Well, I 236 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:30,960 was thinking about it. 237 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I should ask you for permission for 238 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:34,679 your daughter's hand in marriage. 239 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,879 Speaker 1: I just went, oh my god, i'd ever gotten drunk. 240 00:12:36,919 --> 00:12:39,039 We would have watched rom com. It would have been great. 241 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:42,559 Do you know that my husband actually asked my brother 242 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:45,840 really for his blessing, not permission, because that really is 243 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:49,759 misogynistic but as for my brother's blessing to ask for 244 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,799 my hand, and my brother was so enthusiastic about it. 245 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:54,840 But like I just I do like so sweet. I 246 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:57,440 do like that tradition, saying I like a little bit 247 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,039 of the old fashioned energy. 248 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,279 Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, like I obviously don't agree with women being 249 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,120 of course, but it's like I thought it was sweet, 250 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:07,759 and I think that Caleb is earnest even though you know, 251 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:11,320 it's a little way whenever age limit. Okay, it's weird, 252 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,440 but they're married now, they've got kids. It's a moot 253 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,480 point at this point. But Cody to the camera has 254 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:23,000 some interesting commentary about marriage after this, and he says 255 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,759 something like Caleb is the essence of manhood. And so 256 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:34,480 what I just thought, if Cody's like flamboyantly gay, I thought, 257 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:37,840 are you crushing on Caleb or something like it. He 258 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:42,759 is such a man, Okay, he's a real man. It's weird, 259 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,759 it's a little bizarre, strange. But then he talks about 260 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:48,879 how he gives full support because he thinks Caleb's a 261 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:51,279 good guy and you know, the whole family knows him 262 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,320 because he was his brother's brother in law or whatever. 263 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,120 And then he says marriage is the biggest challenge that 264 00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:01,639 anybody can face in their life. And then he says 265 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,639 love it sometimes isn't always enough, because one day you 266 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,519 can love your partner, but then the next day they're 267 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,799 your enemy. And I'm like, ahm into West States, who's. 268 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,639 Speaker 1: Your enemy today? All three of those original wives. 269 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: Ye. And then when they get back inside after the 270 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,559 little conversation, this is where Cody and Caleb unpack their 271 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,519 fish because they're going to debone them or whatever. And 272 00:14:27,559 --> 00:14:30,919 Grillam and Robin's there and she's pregnant. I will give 273 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:35,399 her this. She immediately pukes because of the fishy smell. 274 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,559 And I'm sure people are like, oh my god, she's 275 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,759 so dramatic, But I'm like, she's pregnant this morning sickness. 276 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: Or if you know, you were looking with a more 277 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,360 cynical eye, you could ask yourself like is she stealing 278 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:52,320 the limelight from those who went fishing? And is she 279 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:55,720 making this big deal about her nausea and her having 280 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,720 to run off to throw up, Like is it real? 281 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,039 Speaker 2: I don't know, Maybe I just thought it was a 282 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,440 little crazy, like she goes and throws up and then 283 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,320 her kids go and comfort her too, which I thought 284 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,279 was bizarre, like Dayton. 285 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: Runs immediately as soon as she leaves the room, yes, 286 00:15:12,919 --> 00:15:15,759 right behind her, which actually made me stop and think 287 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:19,240 about what that means for how they grew up with her, 288 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:22,320 you know, and how they have this kind of caretaking 289 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:23,840 role with her. 290 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: It's not healthy. 291 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: It's not healthy at all. 292 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:27,159 Speaker 2: It's not healthy for kids. 293 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: But also, I mean, maybe it's just genuine care and love. 294 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:31,399 I don't know, but it just felt a little strange 295 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:31,600 to me. 296 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: To me, it feels like unhealthy because it was Dayton 297 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,480 and then Aurora showed up right after, and then on 298 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:40,120 the couch, those three kids are like defending her and 299 00:15:40,159 --> 00:15:43,320 being like, well, she's pregnant and she's sick and the 300 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:47,519 fish smells bad, and like like, Okay, your kids, chill out. 301 00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:49,519 M m. You know, it's not a big deal. It's 302 00:15:49,679 --> 00:15:51,320 not a big deal. But they grow up that fish. 303 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,720 It looked really good. I'm jealous. Yeah, And then we 304 00:15:54,799 --> 00:16:00,919 have the conversation. We have the five adults, Christine, Janelle, Cody, 305 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,159 and Robin going out to dinner. 306 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,879 Speaker 1: At Jack Spratt. I've been there before. 307 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,159 Speaker 2: I was wondering if you had. 308 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: I had been there before. Yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah, 309 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:11,320 we had some seafood. It was it was tasty. I 310 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,879 love seas It's very expensive, but like, sure, very tasty. 311 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,399 Speaker 2: So they go out to dinner and they start off 312 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,480 with a toast and Cody in particular, is in a 313 00:16:20,519 --> 00:16:23,440 really good mood. He's like, this is the best vacation 314 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:26,080 that we've ever been on. I'm so glad our whole 315 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,159 family was here. Everybody is like in really light spirits, 316 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,320 except for Mary. 317 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: Sitting in the corner, her face all red. Just something's 318 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,200 bothering Mary, and you can tell very odd energy. It 319 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:40,080 is weird with her. 320 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: And I'm just going to preface this by saying, I 321 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,399 don't think that this was the right time for her 322 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:46,639 to bring any of this up. 323 00:16:46,799 --> 00:16:47,559 Speaker 1: No, not at all. 324 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: But I think she brought it up because maybe shit 325 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,600 was getting leaked at this point and so she felt 326 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,720 the need to bring it up or maybe the producers 327 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,879 forced her to talk about it at this point. 328 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,639 Speaker 1: Well, but sidebar, do we think or as a community 329 00:17:01,679 --> 00:17:04,799 in a dumpster, do we think that everybody knew already 330 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:09,359 at this point? Because to me, if Mary is just 331 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,480 going to as a non sequitor drop a bomb like hey, 332 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:16,119 I might be leaving the family with absolutely no context 333 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,480 for that, Like that's a shocking thing to say. Yeah, 334 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,599 but nobody at the table really seemed shocked. They were 335 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,599 more like, well, what do you mean? And how can 336 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,200 we take care of you? What do you need from us? 337 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,559 Like it just seemed like a strange conversation to have. 338 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,119 I have a feeling, Well, if you believe the rumors, 339 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,000 then you know that Robin has been accused of knowing 340 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:41,240 all about the Catfisher, and through her friend Kendra, was 341 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:46,480 actually gathering intel on what Mary was doing with the Catfisher. 342 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,480 So Robin then passed that information along to Cody. So 343 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,160 before Mary even maybe even knew what was going on 344 00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:57,680 with the catfish, they knew about what was happening. So 345 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,720 I just feel like, at least Robin and Cody know 346 00:17:59,839 --> 00:18:02,440 what's going on. But I also just have a feeling 347 00:18:02,519 --> 00:18:05,359 that maybe Christine and Janelle know as well. What do 348 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:05,799 you think? 349 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,079 Speaker 2: My vibe was like, maybe they didn't know. Okay, now 350 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:13,039 that you're bringing this up, I'm like, I could see 351 00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:15,599 maybe Robin and Cody, if we're to believe the rumors, 352 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,640 I could see Robin and Cody knowing, or at the 353 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,519 very least just Robin. Maybe she hasn't said anything. I 354 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:24,039 don't know. To me, it just felt really weird to 355 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,160 like glaze over the catfish at the dinner. 356 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,079 Speaker 1: But she's saying in her talking heads that they don't 357 00:18:31,079 --> 00:18:33,519 even know about it yet. No, yeah, in this moment, right, 358 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:35,559 So she's not talking about the catfish. They don't know 359 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:37,119 about it a lot at all, okay. 360 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: And so when Mary sits down, she starts off being like, 361 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,440 it's no surprise, I've been struggling with stuff, Like, okay, 362 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,240 what stuff. 363 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: It's kind of a surprise to us because we thought 364 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,960 you were happy about the adoption and you were glad 365 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,680 at least for the legal marriage with Robin so that 366 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,519 the kids could be adopted. We thought everything was okay, Like, 367 00:18:56,519 --> 00:18:57,519 what are you talking about? 368 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: And Mary kind of brings up things that would be 369 00:19:01,319 --> 00:19:05,680 valid excuses, right, like Leon is no longer living with Mary, 370 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,759 but Leon hasn't been at home for two years, so 371 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:12,200 Mary has been alone for that long, and then you know, 372 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:18,200 the divorce and everything. Like, she doesn't really name any 373 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:23,359 particular thing or any particular situation as a blame or 374 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,799 a cause for what she's feeling. She just says she's 375 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:28,720 going through shit. To the camera. She tells us that 376 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:33,240 she is so lonely and isolated that her house is 377 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:36,759 so quiet every single day that she wakes up and 378 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:39,039 has to turn music on just so she like doesn't 379 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:43,359 go crazy because her house is lonely. And to the viewer, 380 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,920 it's like, Okay, obviously Cody's not coming over to your house, right, 381 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:50,000 He's obviously not even like hanging out with you or 382 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:53,160 having a dinner, like you are just alone and like 383 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,519 none of the family comes over to hang out with you. Now. Granted, 384 00:19:56,599 --> 00:19:58,720 I don't know if Mary has really like an open 385 00:19:58,759 --> 00:20:01,960 door policy with the family, because I think was it 386 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,559 in Christine's book she had mentioned something like you have 387 00:20:05,599 --> 00:20:07,480 to knock to go to Mary's house. 388 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: That was and Robin too. I didn't think Mary. 389 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: I thought Mary was similar. I don't know. Maybe it 390 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,839 was at the Lee High House. Maybe I'm talking out 391 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:17,400 my ass. But Mary says that she's super lonely and 392 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,079 isolated and she's just been feeling a lot, and she 393 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,440 has been withdrawing. 394 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so let me comment here just because I'm sure 395 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,000 the kernel of that is absolutely true. I believe that 396 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,440 after they were divorced, and actually well before that, Cody 397 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,279 had one hundred percent pulled away from Mary. I feel 398 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,039 she has every right to make a decision for herself 399 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,200 to leave that relationship because she's not getting what she needs. 400 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,039 She has sold a bill of goods and now she's 401 00:20:50,079 --> 00:20:52,039 getting the short end of the stick, and she has 402 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:56,279 every right to be upset and to leave. However, it 403 00:20:56,319 --> 00:20:59,160 felt to me in some of these interstitials or the 404 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,519 talking heads that she was kind of campaigning and setting 405 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:07,400 herself up to be a victim and getting the audience 406 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,720 to sympathize with what she's going through, although she never 407 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:13,119 showed it to us before this, so that's why it's 408 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,640 kind of hard for us to like say, well, what 409 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,319 are you talking about? Like, I'm sure if I was 410 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:20,039 watching back then, which I did, I think start right 411 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:23,279 around now, I didn't understand because well, I thought everything 412 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,799 was good because you guys are always putting on a 413 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,599 united front. Now all of a sudden, you're telling me 414 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,720 that it's a haunted house, that you're living in the 415 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:35,839 original haunted house, that you're alone all the time, and 416 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:38,119 I don't know, I just felt like some of that 417 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,079 was duplicitous to me. And also the way she was 418 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:47,559 just skirting around how everything happened, and I don't know. 419 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,200 If it were me, I would have been like they 420 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:51,559 got me. 421 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:53,279 Speaker 2: I was lonely. 422 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: And the fact is is Cody hasn't touched my punani 423 00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:02,960 for years. I'm in a wife, I'm unhappy in this relationship, 424 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,000 and nobody gives a fuck about me. And so, yeah, 425 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,359 I made a mistake. I started talking to who I 426 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,559 thought was a guy, but turns out it was a chick. 427 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,119 You know, joke's on me. I feel like a fool, 428 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,279 But there's kind of a reason that it all happened, 429 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,640 and now I can confront what's really going on in 430 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,839 my marriage or non marriage and maybe try to fix 431 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,440 it or maybe I need to leave that. If she 432 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:24,720 had said that at the time, I just feel like 433 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,640 we would have all been on her side and rooting 434 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:27,960 for her. 435 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be more authentic, it'd be more real. 436 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,319 Speaker 1: This is just like a bunch of word salad. Like 437 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:38,480 he was making me laugh. I needed to laugh. I'm like, well, 438 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,559 but you were also in a tub with a banana 439 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:45,799 having conversations just joke, and I assume this is a 440 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:49,160 phallic banana and that you're touching yourself in the tub 441 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,240 because you need some sensual love or whatever, like it's 442 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:55,400 more than that from the very beginning. What this shows 443 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,960 us is that she was not ever prepared to admit 444 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,960 to her pardon it. And this is why Leon's gonna 445 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,720 get really mad at Mary, because Leon was there and 446 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:10,480 Leon was telling Mary this is what's going on. I 447 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:14,240 think Leon even called out that this is probably a catfish. 448 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,079 Mary didn't listen to them, proceeded to do this to herself, 449 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,680 and now here we are. I just wish she was 450 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:23,920 more direct and more truthful. 451 00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think the only like duplicitous part 452 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,519 of it was her skirting around the fact that she 453 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,079 was like having an online relationship with this person, because 454 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,680 she talks about it like, well, I was just like 455 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,559 talking to people on social media and I was like 456 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,279 making friends and then like I met this one guy 457 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,079 and he was like becoming like my best friend, and 458 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,720 like we were laughing and joking and he was expressing 459 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,079 love for me and kindness and attraction, but like we 460 00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:52,559 were just friends. Though. Like that's where I'm like, h okay, 461 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:56,880 be honest, here, be real. The part where she's like 462 00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:01,640 kind of victimizing herself. I have more empathy for only 463 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:07,599 because I feel like in this religious context, like these 464 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:10,039 women are supposed to perform a lot, and they're supposed 465 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:12,480 to put on this like facade, and so with Mary, 466 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:15,160 it's like I gotta pretend like I'm happy and I 467 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,319 enjoy being here. I gotta pretend like I'm still like 468 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,000 a part of this family so I can empathize with 469 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:24,000 it doesn't make it right for her to like be 470 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,079 faking throughout her life and stuff. I just think, Mary, 471 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,599 I think you're right. Like, Mary didn't expect any of 472 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,000 this to come out. I think she was expecting to 473 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,960 run off into the sunset with Sam and like and 474 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,880 like live her best life and just leave the family 475 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,720 for Sam. But then it got blown up in her 476 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,799 face and she got embarrassed. And the whole thing is 477 00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:50,160 like super embarrassing. I mean, imagine like having your online 478 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,279 affair be blasted on national TV, like and at the 479 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:55,680 time it was everywhere, it was in magazines and stuff, 480 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,160 like it was a big dial So I feel for her. 481 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's the theme of lying, and 482 00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:09,960 I think it comes part and parcel with the religion itself. 483 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:12,279 They have to lie because they have to hide, and 484 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:15,119 so there's always secrets so like it. It's just this 485 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,480 culture of being dishonest. And I think that in this moment, 486 00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:24,480 Mary is not being accountable for what she consented to 487 00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:27,480 do with this person who she thought was a man. 488 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,680 Like I think she was all in. I think she 489 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:33,000 was having an absolute emotional affairs. She wanted to meet him. 490 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,119 She would have probably laid it low and spread it 491 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,519 wide and had a full blown physical affair if Sam 492 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,920 was real. So like, just cop to that, own. 493 00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: That, And that was interesting that she even admitted to that, 494 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,440 like saying like, oh, I definitely wanted to meet him. 495 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,720 I tried to meet up with him a few times, 496 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,079 but he always refused to meet me. And it's like, Okay, 497 00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:57,079 that was your first fucking clue, right, And as we're talking. 498 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: About twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, every other Doctor Phil episode 499 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,680 was about a catfish or you're a woman, It's something like, 500 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,519 how did you not know? 501 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 2: Well? 502 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,559 Speaker 1: She even says that she had a feeling in the 503 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,400 very beginning that he was feeding her a line of bullshit. 504 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,720 And I'm like, Mary, if you had a feeling, you're 505 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,839 a smart cookie, you're running your own business. Why don't 506 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,119 you do a little bit of investigative journalism and just 507 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,799 check this person out. But like and maybe, and that's 508 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,160 where the nuance comes in, because maybe she wanted to 509 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,799 believe maybe maybe like this was it for her. This 510 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,640 was the only scrap of attention and affection that she 511 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,079 had in her universe, and so she just put the 512 00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:39,640 blinders on and proceeded with Sam slash Jackie. Like it 513 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,720 stinks all the way around, though, But Mary, you had 514 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,359 a hand in that one hundred percent, and that's a betrayal. Like, 515 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,839 and here's the thing, Like, if you're in a terrible 516 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,960 relationship and you're with an awful partner, like that's not 517 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:52,839 good and you have every right to leave, but like 518 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,279 it's not okay though for your reaction to that to 519 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,759 be to cheat, exactly and to go out and find 520 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:00,079 somebody else that's out of into. 521 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:05,279 Speaker 2: Yes, And like I think you can. You can empathize 522 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,319 with her to an extent because she obviously was like 523 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,880 desperate and isolated and lonely or whatever. But she isn't 524 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,400 this like blameless person for having this online affair. And again, 525 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,480 like I said at the beginning of this episode, like 526 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:19,319 I thought it was really weird how they kind of 527 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,839 spliced these conversations together, because when we're back at Jack's 528 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,319 Bratt and she's talking to the family, like she isn't 529 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,640 saying I mean, at least what we see in the 530 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:31,880 edited footage, she's not saying anything about the catfish. She's 531 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,480 not talking about not at all. I brought something evil 532 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:37,519 into the family. I got this catfish demon, and I'm 533 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:40,000 trying to protect you guys. Like she's not saying any 534 00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,640 of that. What she's saying to the family is I 535 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,839 don't know what I want to do. I don't know 536 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,039 what I need. I might leave the family. Don't be 537 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,839 surprised if I'm just up and gone one day. Like 538 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,839 she's saying these like really extreme statements, and again, like 539 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,000 I think there's some validity to it because she's obviously unhappy. 540 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,119 Like you had said, she has every right to leave, 541 00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:04,440 but like to just drop that bomb, That's where I 542 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:06,480 was like saying, I feel like this is not the 543 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,279 appropriate time to have this conversation on this beautiful vacation 544 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,640 that everybody's excited about, like to be like, yeah, so 545 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,480 I've been struggling and I might just leave and disappear 546 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:17,079 forever well. 547 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: And it's like the way she beats around the bush. 548 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,359 Even in that conversation, she can't just come right out 549 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,920 and say, I'm thinking about leaving the family. I haven't 550 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,799 been happy for a while. You have all noticed this. 551 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,359 And then we have Christine in her talking head and 552 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,079 even Robin saying, yeah, she hasn't been herself these last 553 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,240 few months. So something is going on with Mary and 554 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,720 everybody knows it. But she can't just sit down at 555 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,480 the table and say, hey, this is what it is, 556 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,519 this is what I think I'm gonna do. I'll let 557 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:44,079 you know as soon as I know. It's just this 558 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,799 beating around the fucking bush, this lack of communication. These 559 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,240 people don't know how to communicate. 560 00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: Not at all, and really like the only people and 561 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:54,960 Mary points us out, like the only people that are 562 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,880 being supportive and understanding of her are Christine and Janelle. Robin, 563 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,440 according to Mary, has like not wanted anything to do 564 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:05,160 with her, doesn't know what to do with her at 565 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,079 this point because of what she's been struggling with. But 566 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,880 Robin to the camera says, yeah, when I first noticed 567 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,039 something was up with Mary, I just made sure to 568 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:17,279 talk to her more and know that and let her 569 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:20,559 know that we're here for her. We love her, and 570 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,319 obviously my dream and my hope would be for her 571 00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:27,000 and Cody to stay married, because I want the whole 572 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,799 family to. 573 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,799 Speaker 1: Stay that that sweet sweet money. 574 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: I need all of that money because I'm about to 575 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,759 have another kid and I need another nanny. So I 576 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,440 just really hope that they can work things out. And 577 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,359 it's weird because, like Robin did the camera, it does 578 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,039 kind of seem like she knows that it's about the catfish, 579 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,519 whereas with Christine and Janelle, like Christine says something like, 580 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,960 I've noticed that Mary's been struggling. You know, she comes 581 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,640 to the family events as little as possible. You know, 582 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,440 she's always on her phone. She's really distant, and I 583 00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,400 just wanted to know that we love her, we're here 584 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,880 for her. And Janelle' say's the same thing, like no 585 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,359 matter what our differences are, like we are a support system, 586 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,680 We're here for her. But Robin is really weird about it. 587 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,519 Speaker 1: And then she cries, does she because I was looking 588 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,799 for a tear, Honey, she has to break down thinking 589 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:20,400 about Mary leaving the family and being unhappy, and it's 590 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,119 so performative. 591 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 2: And like way to make it about you, Yeah, Like 592 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,440 how are you so heartbroken about Mary struggling. 593 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: Kind of like she started to throw up, yet with 594 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,000 the fish like just snatching that spotlight back to her 595 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:34,799 good point. 596 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,319 Speaker 2: And then when they're at the dinner, like Cody's not 597 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,160 saying anything. He's literally silent. 598 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,119 Speaker 1: Which is weird because you would think if your wife, 599 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,480 who you love is telling you in the family, I 600 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,559 might have to bounce doses. Yeah, you'd be like shell shocked. 601 00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:54,079 You'd be like, what what's going on here? Please tell 602 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,680 me more? He says nothing at all, sits there with 603 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,119 a weird smile on his face. 604 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: It's really bizarre, and he like doesn't even look at 605 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640 her in the eye, and she's like crying and looking away, 606 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,880 and then Cody did the camera's like, I don't. 607 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:11,359 Speaker 1: Know what She's like, she's gonna leave. I don't know. 608 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,839 That's because Cody already knows. Cody has been in the 609 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,720 loop with this catfish for months through Kendra, Robin's friend. 610 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,920 They all know, I don't, I mean Robin, Kendra, and Cody. 611 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,640 I don't know about Janelle and Christine. 612 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: I feel like Janelle and Christine I believe that they know. 613 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,880 I mean, like maybe if Cody told Janelle something maybe 614 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,759 she could know, but I know, I feel like Christine 615 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,319 didn't know until it got aired out or whatever. My 616 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,799 thing is, if Robin truly was behind the catfish and 617 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,000 her goal was to secure her empire, why would she 618 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:51,960 be behind this and essentially destroy like Mary and her 619 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,920 spat in the family and her reputation, Like what would 620 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,359 her why? 621 00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,599 Speaker 1: See, I don't think Robin was behind it. Like, I 622 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,039 don't think she called up Jackie or whatever her name 623 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,559 was and said, hey, let's pull this scam on Mary. 624 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,720 I think that she caught wind of what was happening. 625 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:10,720 And I don't know if that's because she was also 626 00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:14,039 on social media noticing what was happening, or if Kendra 627 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,799 inserted herself into Jackie's life or whatever, but like at 628 00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:20,599 some point she became aware of what was happening and 629 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,039 then they started to just talk about it behind the scenes. 630 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:27,079 Speaker 2: Then why would she like egg it on? Why would 631 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,079 she continue to know about it? Well? 632 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,359 Speaker 1: What was her comment last season when she was confronted 633 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,680 about this? She said something like, well, if Mary thinks 634 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,240 that I had anything to do with that, then that's 635 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:41,240 her problem, or like she got really defensive about the catfish. 636 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'm like, Okay, if you did have 637 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,200 a hand in it, then like why if you wanted 638 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,400 to keep the family together, I don't understand. That's my 639 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,400 whole thing that I don't. 640 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: Because she doesn't. And she's saying that she's so grateful 641 00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,880 for Mary's sacrifice by getting a divorce to Cody so 642 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,480 that she could marry him and he could adopt her kids. 643 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Like she keeps saying she loves Mary, she's there for Mary, 644 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,559 but in truth, I don't think she is at all. 645 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, And it's pretty sad. And Like, ultimately, 646 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,319 when I was watching this, even though I was frustrated 647 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,480 by Mary just like beating around the bush and just 648 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,839 like not saying what she fully means or saying the 649 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,680 full truth, I did feel really bad for her because 650 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,039 she was crying a lot. And this is like, again, 651 00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:26,480 really embarrassing to have it be aired out. I do 652 00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:29,839 wish that she could have been more honest about the 653 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,039 fact that she fell in love with this made up 654 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:33,799 dude with a fake photo. 655 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: And she's probably being forced to do this on camera yea, 656 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,680 because the whole nation is going to talk about it exactly, 657 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,559 and so they're gonna have to address it. So can 658 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,960 you imagine she knows she's going to the gallows, she's 659 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,680 going to this dinner, and she's gonna have to say 660 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,240 something to these people, and it's going to be terrible, 661 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,519 it's gonna be embarrassing, and so she kind of just 662 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:56,119 falls apart and doesn't say much. Yeah, she's obviously emotional. 663 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,000 I liked seeing Christine being very supportive and so, but 664 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,720 I kind of also understand why Mary didn't turn to Christine, 665 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,360 for example, to sort of share what was going on 666 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,599 with her and in her life or the catfish, because 667 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,199 Christine is so judgmental from that Mormon aub perspective. If 668 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,239 anybody at that table would have been there, I think 669 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,280 for Mary it would have been Janelle. I think Janelle 670 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,320 would have sat down with her, heard about the catfish, 671 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,840 heard about her situation, and honestly helped her. 672 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 2: Janelle the Taurus would have been like the only grounding force. 673 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,400 I feel like, I feel like she would have been 674 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,119 the only one that would have quietly listened, like without judgment. 675 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,320 Maybe she would have had a little bit of like 676 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,199 what the fuck, but like not enough to like put 677 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,719 Mary off or whatever. I feel like Christine one hundred 678 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,239 percent would have judged her. And it's funny because Christine 679 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,039 said something in this episode like Mary wants to run away, 680 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,239 but we're more of a support system than that, Like 681 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,000 you owe us to stay here because we'll support you. 682 00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:58,880 And I'm like, well, really though, because you guys don't 683 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,639 really like each other. And that's the other layer of 684 00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:04,280 all of this. It's like Christine and Janelle are saying 685 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,400 like they're really supportive, but like Mary and Janelle don't 686 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,320 really like each other. Christine doesn't get along with Mary 687 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,039 because we know from her book that Mary was mean 688 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,440 and has always been mean, and like Christine's jealous of 689 00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:19,239 Robin and doesn't like her. Janelle doesn't really like her, 690 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,639 but she tolerates her. Like none of these women actually 691 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,400 like each other, right, so there really isn't a support system. 692 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: At all, or isn't actually safe at that table at all? 693 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,039 Speaker 2: No, And like in the family, like Mary doesn't really 694 00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,719 have anybody at all, and she has no friends, like 695 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,840 she hasn't met Jen at this point. I don't think 696 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,280 I think she has this. Well, then she should have 697 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,079 fucking talked Jen. 698 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: She probably did. Maybe maybe Jen new, Maybe Jen new, 699 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,719 I don't know, but I think she could have shared 700 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,280 with Janelle. I mean Janelle left Cody a couple of times. Yeah, 701 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,599 moved out of the state, fuck you both fingers right, 702 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:55,599 and left his ass. Like I think she would totally 703 00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:58,239 get it and hopefully support Mary, but like that's just 704 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,039 a relationship. It's like two ships in they just never 705 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,719 get that shit together Janelle and Mary. 706 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 2: No, not at all. And like I will say, I 707 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,199 think Mary is a little bit dumb for being catfish 708 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,400 by somebody online because I'm just like, this is so stupid. Yeah, 709 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,159 and like you're also like a TV personality, Like why 710 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:18,639 don't you think about totally the fact that people are 711 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,320 totally going to be messaging you to try and get 712 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,000 dirt on you. 713 00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,159 Speaker 1: So his profile picture, and I don't know if y'all 714 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,840 remember what that was, it was like a black and 715 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,559 white sort of business y sort of picture. He was 716 00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:33,039 a young man with dark hair. He was very classically handsome. 717 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:35,559 So she saw the profile picture and she was just like, 718 00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:38,000 let me get a banana. 719 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: It's so embarrassing. 720 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,039 Speaker 1: It is embarrassing, And she's so embarrassed in this moment. 721 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's cringe dude, like twenty sixteen, Like you're 722 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,280 like in your forties. It's not even like you're a 723 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,519 boomer who's like learning how to use a computer for 724 00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,440 the first time, Like, oh, you're an adult. You know 725 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,719 how technology. 726 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: Weren't on the internet probably for well she's a Mormon, 727 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,159 I don't know, but like I was on the internet 728 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,440 ninety three, honey, Yeah, I was on the internet for real. 729 00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 2: Well, Facebook was invented in like two thousand and eight, Like, 730 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,519 it's not like it was so new, like you could 731 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,400 I don't know. I just think it was really silly 732 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,559 to like fall for this very obviously fake profile. But 733 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:17,280 she was like talking to him on the phone and 734 00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,159 again probably having phone sex and just like living her 735 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:20,800 best life. 736 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,039 Speaker 1: So was this chick Jackie like just doing a male 737 00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,880 voice or did she have some sort of like voice 738 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,880 transformer or something like what happened with that? I don't know. 739 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,679 How would you not know? 740 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,039 Speaker 2: Because I thought was it Leon that said it or 741 00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:37,960 Christine that said it? Like Leon had overheard the conversations 742 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,920 and like knew that it was a woman. Like so 743 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,000 I don't know if Sam was even using any voice 744 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,920 altering stuff. I know that stuff exists, and it definitely exists, 745 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,800 back existed back then, But like was Mary just falling 746 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,920 for a bush? 747 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the next thing. Let's continue to ascend 748 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,840 because maybe at some point, like if, as she says 749 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,280 this episode, she had a feeling, like one week into 750 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,320 their conversation Mary and Sam, she had a feeling that 751 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,440 he was horseshitting her. Maybe at some point she realized, Oh, 752 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,639 I'm I'm talking to a chick and I like it. 753 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:17,000 Maybe and I'm not mad at it. So I'm gonna 754 00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:19,320 continue to have this conversation. I don't know, because she 755 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,800 does seem very betrayed by Jackie, and. 756 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,079 Speaker 2: I know she like calls him a bastard, like she's 757 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,440 super pissed off that he would have the audacity to 758 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,679 fake a profile. But I'm like, you still, like you'd said, 759 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,920 you still chose to talk to him and have phone 760 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,159 sex and send pictures with your banana in your mouth. 761 00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:42,079 Speaker 1: It's like, though you were dubious, but this person was. 762 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,440 And remember didn't Mary go to Disneyland? And Sam sent 763 00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:52,719 his best friend Jackie to meet Mary because I can't go. 764 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,440 I'm very busy. I'm a businessman, so but I'm gonna 765 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,559 send my friend who's really good with technology. You don't 766 00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:00,880 want to mess with her. I'm gonna send her to Disneyland. 767 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,239 And Mary actually met Jackie at this time. Yeah, I 768 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,599 think before this time, she's already been to Disneyland. She 769 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,840 thought she was meeting Sam's best friend, but she was 770 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,320 meeting her actual catfish. So she did meet her. 771 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,559 Speaker 2: And that's what's crazy to me, So like you were 772 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:22,440 actively going to meet this person outside of your family, 773 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,199 outside of your marriage. I will say she did mention 774 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,480 a little bit of that, being like, you know, I 775 00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,840 can't believe I did this type of a thing. I'm 776 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,320 a married woman and like I have a family, but 777 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,800 it was lonely and I was talking to me for I. 778 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,519 Speaker 1: Don't think she was ever as overt as that. 779 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 2: She did say something like I was married, and why 780 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,840 am I doing this outside of my marriage? But I was. 781 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,360 It was my friend, my friend who. 782 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: Said made me laugh. I was laughing again in my 783 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,079 lonely house, and. 784 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,679 Speaker 2: He said he was attracted to me and my poor nanny. 785 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: Oh god. So it's sad, it's also enraging. It's also 786 00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:02,599 like Crinn, but it's what happened to Mary Brown. And 787 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:04,960 here we are going into the next season. 788 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's the question, are we going to 789 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,039 watch the tell all for this because I do remember 790 00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,000 in this season they do address the catfish and the 791 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,800 tell all and it is with Tambern Hall. 792 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,119 Speaker 1: Can we not do it as like a recap of 793 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:23,440 an episode, but like maybe we can just watch it before. Yeah, 794 00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,079 we'll spark notes and then we'll watch the first episode 795 00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:28,079 of season ten and we can talk about anything that 796 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,440 was germane from this tell all. 797 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 2: It sounds good to me, okay. 798 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,760 Speaker 1: Babes Well, is that the last thing that happened. 799 00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:35,199 Speaker 2: That was pretty much it? It was like the whole 800 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:40,400 conversation of just the catfish and Cody's confused okay about 801 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,960 what she means? And the season ends. 802 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:48,639 Speaker 1: Well, what are your thoughts out there? Guys? Were you 803 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,440 around when this dropped in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, whenever 804 00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,280 it aired? What were your thoughts then? What are your 805 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,280 thoughts now? Knowing what you know, Like, what do you 806 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,440 think about Mary now and how she dealt with it 807 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,599 throughout the entire rest of their marriage? I'm interested? Yeah, 808 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:07,159 is there anything else that we need to say to 809 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,239 these beautiful raccoons before we get up on out of here? 810 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,039 Speaker 2: Beadrels Well, if you love our podcast, please do us 811 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,480 a favor, go to your favorite podcast platform and Lebo's 812 00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,360 a glowing five star review. Really helps us grow the 813 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,599 pod and we really appreciate it, so thank you very much. 814 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,119 Speaker 1: We're gonna be back next week to get into season 815 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,599 ten this Bitch finally, yes, and talk a little bit 816 00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,239 more about the catfish. And also, didn't I send you 817 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,400 something on Instagram on a new show that might be interesting? 818 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 2: What was it Married at First Site? Right, there's a revamp. 819 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,559 Speaker 1: Married at First Site has been taken over by Peacock 820 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,320 and they've refreshed it. It's not two hours each episode, 821 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,559 I think. Let me know if I'm wrong about that. 822 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,559 But it's also modernized, so I don't know if it's 823 00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:50,239 like a little bit more like Love Island or like 824 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,559 a little bit more like something like that. I don't know. Guys, 825 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,679 if you're watching, tell us what you think about it. 826 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,239 But we're thinking about maybe covering it. 827 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it sounds interesting if it's better than the original, 828 00:41:59,519 --> 00:41:59,960 I'm down. 829 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 1: Well, did you also see that thing I sent to 830 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,760 you on Instagram about those wives who are doing only 831 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,440 fans and the men who manage them. Yeah? 832 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,519 Speaker 2: What was it called? 833 00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: Like something about I don't know, ladies out just in 834 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:20,960 Suburbia being oas God on the internet, which is my favorite. 835 00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:22,199 I love a huah, I. 836 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 2: Did find it. What is it called tillim like the 837 00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,400 Mom next Door? Double Lives of Suburban Wives. 838 00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:31,039 Speaker 1: Gosh, you just never know, do you? 839 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:33,559 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would be into that if it's 840 00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:34,840 a bunch of soccer moms being. 841 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,679 Speaker 1: I'm like so gunshy with TLC after poly Family and 842 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,320 like suddenly Homage, Like those were so overly produced, they 843 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,000 were such a drag. I didn't want to watch them anymore. 844 00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 2: But these ones look legit though. 845 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: Kind of are you guys gonna watch? Do you have 846 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,920 any suggestions for something that we can watch until the 847 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,119 new season of Sister Wives comes on? 848 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,159 Speaker 2: Perfectly, something that's not like a slog to watch, like 849 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:01,840 a fucking ninety day. 850 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of time. 851 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 2: Two hour episodes and like for four weeks we're in 852 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,599 the same scene. Yeah. 853 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's got to be something out there though that 854 00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:14,920 we can watch and have some fun with double lives 855 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,760 of supermin lives. Okay, I don't married at first sight. Okay, 856 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,559 let us know what you guys think. We'll be back 857 00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:21,679 next week, Like I said, until then, please do not 858 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,639 forget that we have nothing but love for you, and 859 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 2: Please all night