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Speaker 1: show five four three two one our folks, Welcome back
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Speaker 1: guest today, Cedric Bertelli. Cedric, welcome, thank you very much,
Speaker 1: very happy to be here.
Speaker 2: Thank you awesome.
Speaker 1: Cedric is a founder of Emotional Health Institute and co
Speaker 1: developer of Emotional Resolution, a body based method designed to
Speaker 1: resolving debilitating emotional patterns by working with introception and the
Speaker 1: brain's predictive mechanisms. His work bridges clinical practice, neuroscience, and philosophy,
Speaker 1: and is currently being studied in collaboration with the UCLA
Speaker 1: in research on anxiety among healthcare workers. He's also sought
Speaker 1: after speaker and educator, recently named the number one audience
Speaker 1: choice speaker at the twenty twenty twenty five Super Trauma Conference.
Speaker 1: Wow all right, Cedric, welcome. Before we get going, share
Speaker 1: with the listeners where you're from originally and where you
Speaker 1: are currently.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So originally I'm from friends, so that's the accent.
Speaker 2: I apologize. And I've been living in the Bay Area
Speaker 2: for about twenty years, over ten three years, so I'm
Speaker 2: in Oakland, California.
Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, all right, so let's go back. How does
Speaker 1: this begin for you?
Speaker 2: Well, how it begins, shorter version will be. I was
Speaker 2: a very anxious child and later on a quite anxious adult.
Speaker 2: I started my career in hospitality business. I was a
Speaker 2: chef at first, then went to work for the Ritz
Speaker 2: Carton Company, first as a chef, then as a metal
Speaker 2: hotel director of restaurant, director of banquets. Learned to manage
Speaker 2: my anxiety very well, how with alcohol, Okay, okay, that works.
Speaker 2: We have alcohol and other metadology. And at some point
Speaker 2: it didn't work anymore. I mean, you know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: obviously healthy for me, and and it was it was
Speaker 2: kind of a hurricane constantly in me, even if you
Speaker 2: didn't show all outside inside was it was a bit
Speaker 2: of a disaster and a tual diveral things. Alcohol, of course,
Speaker 2: of course, I should say, of course, but that's in
Speaker 2: the business that I was. It was available and and
Speaker 2: and seen as okay, psychotherapy, et cetera. And it didn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't It wasn't clicking for me because I couldn't
Speaker 2: keep on managing something that kept on hurting me constantly.
Speaker 2: So this is when I decided to quit in two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight and went to France, went back to
Speaker 2: France actually and learning sol learning somatic therapy. And what
Speaker 2: has been in my mind since the beginning is I
Speaker 2: growing up. I was raised by my parents, and my
Speaker 2: grandfather was a World War two veteran and it went
Speaker 2: through immense trauma himself, and I was always wondering how
Speaker 2: people like him and people of his generation could tap
Speaker 2: into resilience and building a brain new life for their
Speaker 2: family without having any kind of personal help. So that
Speaker 2: always was in my mind, Right, Why do I struggle
Speaker 2: so much from my emotions when I did not leave
Speaker 2: any trauma that I can remember, and people who leave
Speaker 2: so much trauma are able to be as resilient as
Speaker 2: my grandfather was b was. So it was something in
Speaker 2: my mind, something, something, something I didn't get. What is
Speaker 2: it that's not clicking in me that allowed me to
Speaker 2: become resilient so to speak? And this is how I
Speaker 2: got into into researching somatic therapy and and so on
Speaker 2: and so on.
Speaker 1: So the bridge between you being a chef working at
Speaker 1: the Ritz Carlton experiencing anxiety, he moved back to France,
Speaker 1: you said, and started studying. So you started studying somatic
Speaker 1: therapy or psychology because you had been experiencing so much anxiety.
Speaker 2: Correct, because because it was it was at first it
Speaker 2: was just to find a better solution for me, and
Speaker 2: also to be honest. Working at the RIDS, I had
Speaker 2: an opportunity to manage a lot of people. I had
Speaker 2: a team of two hudred and fifty people. And you
Speaker 2: could see that if you don't manage people, you manage
Speaker 2: the emotions. Everybody come with a load of emotions at
Speaker 2: work and you've got to take the time to understand
Speaker 2: the little bit what's going on in the life, what
Speaker 2: allowed them to be the best version of themselves at
Speaker 2: work as well. So as a manager, you constantly quote
Speaker 2: unquote manage people emotions so that they can be in
Speaker 2: an ecosystem that allowed them to thrive and to feel joy.
Speaker 2: So emotions always have been something that was quite fascinated about.
Speaker 1: So you start studying how does everything unfold, what happens,
Speaker 1: what do you start.
Speaker 2: Doing so, as I went back to France and I
Speaker 2: joined a research group of around somatic therapy.
Speaker 1: So I learned.
Speaker 2: I learned a specific modelity team that was studied by
Speaker 2: a gentleman in several of Frances called Jampa. And the
Speaker 2: the idea is quite simple at the beginning, which is
Speaker 2: when people feel an emotion, When they start feeling an
Speaker 2: emotion and they can put their attention into the physical
Speaker 2: sensation they're feeling, they can remain with the physical sensation
Speaker 2: they're feeling without interfering with the sensations whatsoever. So no breath,
Speaker 2: no stretching, nothing. At the end, after a few minutes,
Speaker 2: the sound sessions abate and what seems to happen is
Speaker 2: that the emotion that were suffering from is not coming back.
Speaker 2: So it started from this observation from Jean Paul reg
Speaker 2: nowadays jam is one of the people working with at
Speaker 2: the Emotional Health Institute. So we took this observation a
Speaker 2: plate of course on ourself and other people and started
Speaker 2: to understand what is happening. I will keep the shore
Speaker 2: the story short, but after practicing and refining this work
Speaker 2: from Saya in twenty nineteen, when I say we is myself,
Speaker 2: doctor Jacqueshimex, with gastro anthologists from the University of Young
Speaker 2: in France. We build the Emotional Health Institute to really
Speaker 2: understand what was happening in the brain in the body.
Speaker 2: That will explain this phenomenon of at the beginning of
Speaker 2: an emotion. If I'm able to keep my attention on
Speaker 2: my sen sessions with that interfering with them, the emotion
Speaker 2: doesn't come.
Speaker 1: Back at the beginning of an emotion.
Speaker 2: It's most important at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Right because I'm thinking someone's in the emotion. It can
Speaker 1: be very difficult to have that level of self awareness.
Speaker 1: Give us something. Okay, hang on before we get into
Speaker 1: the specific to this. So what I'm noticing here, Cedric
Speaker 1: is you went all in. You didn't just start studying somatic.
Speaker 1: You went all in. You started, and you started. You
Speaker 1: developed your own system. Explain that to me.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can explain it. I think
Speaker 2: you you you start, I started falling into it. It's
Speaker 2: you know, okay, okay, if you look around, very so
Speaker 2: much misery, very so much misery, because people are trapped
Speaker 2: into a gel of fear. I would say we have
Speaker 2: so much fear instead of us, and we we isolate
Speaker 2: in our fear, and that cuts us from the connection
Speaker 2: of the world of each other. And isolation create pain,
Speaker 2: Pain create fear, fear create mayhem. And I could see
Speaker 2: it for me, I could see it for people around me, clients, family, friends.
Speaker 2: It became I started reading philosophy, people like Merlo Ponti
Speaker 2: in France or Spinosa, and trying to understand where all
Speaker 2: this pain was coming from, and how can we come
Speaker 2: back to a place where we're more connected and not
Speaker 2: so much self interested, right, healing for connection, not diving
Speaker 2: into the self self self self self and just getting
Speaker 2: getting obsessed by oneself instead of opening up to the world.
Speaker 2: So so yes, I got yeah, jump Adred and ten
Speaker 2: person into it.
Speaker 1: You can say that, yes, during this time, how were
Speaker 1: you doing personally? How is your anxiety?
Speaker 2: So I started really being interested in this work because
Speaker 2: my anxiety changed tremendously, Right. I went from being extremely stressed,
Speaker 2: a lot of self directed anger and depression to becoming
Speaker 2: more and more joyful, to not have to control my
Speaker 2: anxiety anymore. But that's it, that's the key, right, It
Speaker 2: really started when I didn't have to control my anxiety anymore.
Speaker 2: But I stopped feeling it when I was able to to.
Speaker 2: So it's not about not feeling emotions here, let's be precise.
Speaker 2: It's about being able to feel the emotions that are
Speaker 2: congruent with our current reality and not being overwhelmed by
Speaker 2: our fear. Is when I stop having to manage myself,
Speaker 2: control myself, finding copying mechanism to exist. That as saw
Speaker 2: that what we were diving in was most important and efficient.
Speaker 1: So at some point you founded the Emotional Health Institute two. Yet, okay,
Speaker 1: you are the co developer of emotional resolution. Let's dive
Speaker 1: into that. What is that?
Speaker 2: Okay, emotional resolution studied by the observe with the observation.
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, than if if we're able to
Speaker 2: get inside the emotion at the beginning of the emotion
Speaker 2: and feeling the physical sensations happening in the body until
Speaker 2: that dawn evolving at the end of the evolution, what
Speaker 2: we notice on the emotion we started with wasn't coming back.
Speaker 2: So how is that possible? Well, to keep it simple,
Speaker 2: it's a matter of prediction. Right. If you look at
Speaker 2: the work of Lisa and Van Barrett out of Boston
Speaker 2: and the principle of the prediction of the brain. Every
Speaker 2: debilitating emotional patterns, anxiety, depression, recurring fears, it is nothing
Speaker 2: else but an outdated prediction from the brain. I can
Speaker 2: explain why, in a nutshell we know today two things
Speaker 2: to have in mind when it comes to emotional difficulty is.
Speaker 2: Number one, the brain constantly predict. This is why before
Speaker 2: biting an up you know exactly what the apple is
Speaker 2: gonna taste like the brain constantly predict number one. Number two,
Speaker 2: we understand how a debilitated emotional pattern is created today.
Speaker 2: It is always the same type of event that creates
Speaker 2: an emotional difficulty pattern in our life. This event is
Speaker 2: what we're gonna call it trauma. And what is a trauma?
Speaker 2: A trauma is an instent that holds too much stress,
Speaker 2: physical or emotional for us to take on when we
Speaker 2: experience it. That's it. So a baby with barely born
Speaker 2: is going to experience something as a trauma. When forty
Speaker 2: years old, men will be completely relevant for therefore, for example, now,
Speaker 2: what's important as well to understand is what creates the
Speaker 2: pattern is not the trauma. It is the instent of
Speaker 2: dissociation happening within the trauma.
Speaker 1: That's more we'll repeat that again.
Speaker 2: What creates the pattern is not the trauma itself, it
Speaker 2: is they are the instant plural of dissociation happening during
Speaker 2: the traumatic event. Okay, so to go a bit more
Speaker 2: into it is, let's say that I'm being sexually abused
Speaker 2: for five minutes. I'm not going to see dissociate only once.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go in and out, in and out,
Speaker 2: in and out of consciousness. When the stress is too high,
Speaker 2: we dissociate so we do not suffer too much during
Speaker 2: this instant. Now, the amount of information that you and
Speaker 2: I are gathering currently consciously is about two thousand bits
Speaker 2: of information process at the speed of one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifteen miles per hour consciously subconsciously, when the prefunct or
Speaker 2: corotects shut down, you're subconscious as a capacity the ability
Speaker 2: to gather four hundred billion bits of information per seconds
Speaker 2: and to process it at this bit of one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand miles per hours. These are the numbers
Speaker 2: from the Penn University. They're from twenty twelve. But if
Speaker 2: you if you look at data, it's always the same realm.
Speaker 2: The realm is two thousand basically for conscious versus four
Speaker 2: hundred billion bits of information. Wow, from the subconscious. So
Speaker 2: what is happening is during this instant of dissociation, the
Speaker 2: preforntal contests shut down, so we don't suffer too much,
Speaker 2: but the subconscious takes over. So imagine vortex opening up outside,
Speaker 2: gathering all the information around you, the taste, the color,
Speaker 2: the general information, and the vortex up an inside gathering
Speaker 2: all the physical sensations, information from the physical sensation happening
Speaker 2: anybody during this instead of dissociation. So dissociation is inner
Speaker 2: and outside vortex is happening gathering all this information in
Speaker 2: a knowlogical, non inner way at a very high definition. Well,
Speaker 2: the go ahead, I was.
Speaker 1: Just gonna say. So, if I'm hearing you clearly, then
Speaker 1: we're still taking in information despite the fact that we're associating,
Speaker 1: but only on a subconscious level.
Speaker 2: Correct, we're taking all this information, but it is high definition,
Speaker 2: high speed, nonlinear knowlgical.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's like we're pull of information nolinear no knowlogical.
Speaker 2: Later on, when our brain our body is exposed to
Speaker 2: one or several elements that were present during a specific dissociation,
Speaker 2: your brain, my brain is going to predict what physical
Speaker 2: sensations you're about to feel based on what you felt
Speaker 2: during this specific dissociative moment. Your brain is going to
Speaker 2: generate those physical sensations. We're going to call that an
Speaker 2: interceptive prediction. You know that you feel an emotion because
Speaker 2: you feel physical sensations. You know that you feel anxious
Speaker 2: because you have tension in your body that you conceptualize
Speaker 2: based on the context as anxiety. Same thing for anger,
Speaker 2: something for depression. We know that you feel a certain way.
Speaker 2: We know that we feel a certain way because we
Speaker 2: feel a certain way in our body. This is interception. Now,
Speaker 2: when the brain is exposed to one or several elements,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if you remember consciously what they are
Speaker 2: or not to elements that were presenting an install of association.
Speaker 2: As I said, your brain is going to generate physical sensations.
Speaker 2: Interception a prediction, those physical sensations that lets you know
Speaker 2: how you feel. Is nothing else but an nowdated prediction.
Speaker 2: So during an ameres an emotional resolution session, what we
Speaker 2: will get to do is to retrigger very specifically an
Speaker 2: emotion for a client. At the beginning, the body is
Speaker 2: going to generate this interceptive prediction the current is going
Speaker 2: to feel some physical sensations. Usually, when we feel physical
Speaker 2: sensations linked to an emotion or at the base of
Speaker 2: an emotion, we control them. We breathe with stretch, we
Speaker 2: talk ourselves out of the emotion. Here, we're going to
Speaker 2: do the reverse. We're going to bring our attention to
Speaker 2: the physical sensations in a specific way, and we're going
Speaker 2: to keep our attention active in feeling the physical sensations
Speaker 2: as they change in our body. That's gonna take between
Speaker 2: two seconds and ninety seconds, never more. An emotion never
Speaker 2: lasts longer longer than ninety seconds in the brain. If
Speaker 2: I can stay attentive to the physical sensations in my
Speaker 2: body without trying to breathe stretch changing anything happening within me,
Speaker 2: so to be precise, if I can give my physical
Speaker 2: sensations as they change in my body without interfering with them,
Speaker 2: in a safe environment, in a safe environment, at the
Speaker 2: end of this indictor receptive interceptive prediction that never lasts
Speaker 2: longer than ninety seconds, my brain is anticipating to be
Speaker 2: hit by some kind of danger exactly as it happened
Speaker 2: during a specific dissociative event. Dissociative event while during a session,
Speaker 2: nothing happens at the end, I am second sound all right?
Speaker 1: And and in that process, you're what interrupting the pattern.
Speaker 2: In that process, you're actually allowing the pattern to be
Speaker 2: completely replayed without interfering with it, without stopping it whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Okay, give me, give me, give me a specific give me,
Speaker 1: give me a specific example. Maybe I walk into your office.
Speaker 1: I'm anxious, I am, I do have anxiety. So I
Speaker 1: am an anxious person. I don't know from an anxious person,
Speaker 1: but I definitely do have anxiety. But if someone walks
Speaker 1: into your office, what do you do? How does this work? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? So I will ask the person, if we could
Speaker 2: resolve anything within you today, what would that be? Okay,
Speaker 2: sh for me?
Speaker 1: Okay, I would say, I am very anxious about uh
Speaker 1: going to the dentist and getting a root canal.
Speaker 2: Okay, beautiful. That's very specific because here you're bringing a
Speaker 2: good point guy, which is we concept to as thing
Speaker 2: as anxiety. But the way that you feel when you
Speaker 2: go to the dentist and you call that anxiety might
Speaker 2: be very different from an anxiety that you feel before
Speaker 2: presenting in front of people or before meeting somebody new.
Speaker 2: So we've got to understand what specific anxiety we're resolving,
Speaker 2: because the label can be the same, but the feeding
Speaker 2: in the body might be very different. So here I
Speaker 2: understand that it's the anxiety that you feel when you
Speaker 2: have to get some dental work done perfect. That's going
Speaker 2: to be what we're going to be resolving today. At
Speaker 2: this point, I would ask you for a specific time
Speaker 2: when you fail this fear. Nothing traumatic. We never work
Speaker 2: with trauma in emerates. There's no point in revisiting any
Speaker 2: trauma because within a traumatic event, chances are your several dissociations.
Speaker 2: We always work with the way that the person is
Speaker 2: fitting today. We never talk about trauma in emotional resolution.
Speaker 2: So we'll ask you a moment when you fail this anxiety.
Speaker 2: Not because it went wrong at the dentist, No, no,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to know about that. I want
Speaker 2: to know a moment when you experien the anxiety that
Speaker 2: you don't want to feel anymore. And you will find
Speaker 2: a situation when you fail this anxiety that you don't
Speaker 2: want to feel anymore, and I will help you to
Speaker 2: replay that moment to relieve this moment when you fail
Speaker 2: the anxiety. We will relieve it together in a specific way.
Speaker 2: Your body will generate the same physical sensation that you
Speaker 2: feel usually when you feel this anxiety. At this point,
Speaker 2: I will support you to move all your attention on
Speaker 2: your body, on your physical sensations. You can have to
Speaker 2: feel several physical sensations at once, because if you only
Speaker 2: feel one sensation, the main one, it's not going to work.
Speaker 2: Your brain is going to hyperfocus, the sensation will probably
Speaker 2: increase and you will try to control it. So I
Speaker 2: will I will help you to feel several sensations at
Speaker 2: once and to do nothing with it, to just be attentive.
Speaker 2: Those sound sessions are going to move, they're going to change.
Speaker 2: It's important for me or for you to do nothing
Speaker 2: about it. They will evolve for about two to ninety
Speaker 2: seconds and at the end you will feel calm. We
Speaker 2: will check together that this type of event of event
Speaker 2: do not trigger those sound sessions anymore. They won't. And
Speaker 2: then I will ask you when you have to go
Speaker 2: see a doctor a dentist. The next time you say, well,
Speaker 2: i'll see one in two weeks. Then as meeting three
Speaker 2: weeks to make sure that it's gone, it will be gone.
Speaker 2: Wow Wow, and that's very specific, but it can be
Speaker 2: also for depression, it be for it can be for
Speaker 2: a latent anxiety. Right, it's we always take the person
Speaker 2: currently doing work with survivor of human trafficking in Africa
Speaker 2: and the impact of the work is beautiful. We also
Speaker 2: did a research for you CLA on physicians and nurses
Speaker 2: having high level of anxiety, being close to burnout and
Speaker 2: working in a very stressful environment comparing MREs to another modality,
Speaker 2: and you can see very clearly the study is going
Speaker 2: to be published by the end of the year. You
Speaker 2: can see very very clearly how the anxiety level tremendously
Speaker 2: go down working with emreates.
Speaker 1: So how does this How does the amress differ from say,
Speaker 1: other modalities.
Speaker 2: So it depends on modality we're talking about. But I
Speaker 2: think a couple of things. With emress we do not manage,
Speaker 2: we resolve. So the goal is reach to resolve an
Speaker 2: emotional difficulty. Then somebody is identifying so that the emotion
Speaker 2: doesn't come back anymore. With emress, we work on three
Speaker 2: levels of emotions conscious which is why people come to
Speaker 2: see us, you and me. For example, the depression and
Speaker 2: the anxiety. Things that are chronicote in our face, so
Speaker 2: that a conscious emotion for me. We work on unconscious emotion,
Speaker 2: which is more the emotion that we know are there
Speaker 2: but we don't want to look at so much because
Speaker 2: they don't fit very much with who we want to
Speaker 2: be in the world or who want the world to see.
Speaker 2: So these are the shame, the guilt, the self image emotions,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And we also work on subconscious emotions. Subconscious
Speaker 2: emotions so emotions that do not have a label because
Speaker 2: the sound sessions are not strong enough to be conceptualized,
Speaker 2: but the tensions and the body. So one other thing
Speaker 2: with MRS is we're going to work on those three
Speaker 2: levels of emotion. Another thing which differ with other more
Speaker 2: than it is is we never talk about the trauma.
Speaker 2: We don't need to know what the trauma was, and
Speaker 2: the person doesn't have to talk about a traumatic event
Speaker 2: in order to resumve. And another thing is we keep
Speaker 2: things very simple, like there is not a lot of theory.
Speaker 2: It's very pragmatic, very efficient, and it's extremely flexible in
Speaker 2: the way that therapists can use it within the practice. Coaches, etra,
Speaker 2: professional cops, et cetera, et cetera. Is very flexible.
Speaker 1: In terms of, you know, for example, not needing to
Speaker 1: talk about the trauma. There's varying you know, opinions on
Speaker 1: to what degree that is useful within the treatment of trauma.
Speaker 1: Why do you feel it's not useful especially useful, or
Speaker 1: helpful or necessary?
Speaker 2: There are several several reasons for that. One one of
Speaker 2: the main things that I say is trauma cannot be
Speaker 2: healed because trauma happened and there's nothing we can do
Speaker 2: about it. However, what can be healed other wounds than
Speaker 2: this trauma created in our life? And this is what
Speaker 2: we do with emers. When we talk about the trauma,
Speaker 2: we make it more real, we give it more more important,
Speaker 2: we give you more importance in our life. In in
Speaker 2: some cases we can become more attached to it as well.
Speaker 1: Give me one sure, sure we can, we can pass here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. Okay, yes, we as sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm an invocation with my family in a hotel and
Speaker 2: I asked for like check out and they get the
Speaker 2: new oop I cannot hear you?
Speaker 1: Sorry about that? I said, Yeah, no worries. We can
Speaker 1: just easily edit this out. Okay, so continue, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: We we we we don't go into the trauma because
Speaker 2: we don't want we don't want to make it more real.
Speaker 2: We don't want people to we don't want the client
Speaker 2: to be focusing on the trauma, but focusing on what
Speaker 2: is it currently in the life that they need to
Speaker 2: be shifted in order for them to feel more peace
Speaker 2: h And as as I mentioned earlier as well, often
Speaker 2: within the traumatic event, the person is going to experience
Speaker 2: several dissociations mm hm and and what creates the pattern
Speaker 2: all the dissociative the wind of the dissociation within the trauma.
Speaker 2: So talking about the trauma as as as the event
Speaker 2: is not going to be conductive in resolving the wounds
Speaker 2: and this trauma created. That's one of the few reasons.
Speaker 2: And there is more. Maybe we don't need to go
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So as we kind of wind in down here,
Speaker 1: the Emotional Health Institute, you folks offer trainings, correct for whom?
Speaker 1: What do the trainings look like, how are they accessed,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: So we are offering training on emotional resolution, and we're
Speaker 2: offering them to therapists, coaches, behavioral specialists, shop professionals, cups, firemen,
Speaker 2: whoever is working with people dealing with emotional difficulties. So
Speaker 2: it's it's very wide. We are offering the trainings.
Speaker 1: Go ahead again, No no, no, I'm just I'm just listening.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: We're offering the training on zoom. People can take it
Speaker 2: from all over the world really and we keep the
Speaker 2: training as compact as we can. So the whole certification
Speaker 2: process is about about five days. So three days be
Speaker 2: where we teach the base of the training, the base
Speaker 2: of MREs with the main the two main protocols. Then
Speaker 2: people have to experience in the practice. Then we have
Speaker 2: a module two or we call Module two, where we
Speaker 2: do case studies to notice what work but it don't
Speaker 2: work and navigate the difficulty. Then we have Module three
Speaker 2: which is two days and we do of course some navigating,
Speaker 2: some case studies, but also how to resolve are to
Speaker 2: resolve unconscious, unconscious feels, unconscious emotions. And then there is
Speaker 2: a certification process which is reviewing a session that a
Speaker 2: participant that's done, supervising the session and giving more tools.
Speaker 2: EMRESS is not just a protocol or two, it's a methodology.
Speaker 2: We develop several tools that allow to work with different people,
Speaker 2: different difficulties. So it's it's very it's very flexible and
Speaker 2: extremely efficient.
Speaker 1: Now is this for UH mental health therapists only?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, h. Professionals can come as well. Coaches
Speaker 2: come as well, very often, yoga teachers we have you
Speaker 2: goat teachers as well because emotion comes up in yoga.
Speaker 2: Mustache therapists is very very wide. So we have people
Speaker 2: from HR, we have therapists, we have coaches, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, well, okay, all right, Cedric, I think you
Speaker 1: didn't really good job of articulating what this does and
Speaker 1: how this is different from other modalities. How do people
Speaker 1: learn more about you? What's the best way?
Speaker 2: The best way is to go to Emotional Health Institute
Speaker 2: dot org or m REST dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll have our linked appear at the show notes
Speaker 1: page at the Trauma Therapist Podcast dot com. All right, Cedric,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Thank you very much. All Right, we'll
Speaker 1: be we'll be in touch.
Speaker 2: Take care,