WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:03.680 Welcome to the Trauma Therapists podcast. My name is Gymiferson. 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:07.839 I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping 3 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:11.000 those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you 4 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:14.039 to our sponsors and our guests who are supporting this 5 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:18.839 show five four three two one our folks, Welcome back 6 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:20.679 to the podcast. I'm very excited to have as my 7 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.359 guest today, Cedric Bertelli. Cedric, welcome, thank you very much, 8 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:25.359 very happy to be here. 9 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:26.320 Thank you awesome. 10 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.800 Cedric is a founder of Emotional Health Institute and co 11 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:34.719 developer of Emotional Resolution, a body based method designed to 12 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:39.640 resolving debilitating emotional patterns by working with introception and the 13 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:45.640 brain's predictive mechanisms. His work bridges clinical practice, neuroscience, and philosophy, 14 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:48.960 and is currently being studied in collaboration with the UCLA 15 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:53.640 in research on anxiety among healthcare workers. He's also sought 16 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:56.719 after speaker and educator, recently named the number one audience 17 00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:01.240 choice speaker at the twenty twenty twenty five Super Trauma Conference. 18 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:07.079 Wow all right, Cedric, welcome. Before we get going, share 19 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:09.560 with the listeners where you're from originally and where you 20 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:10.280 are currently. 21 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.760 Yeah. So originally I'm from friends, so that's the accent. 22 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:17.920 I apologize. And I've been living in the Bay Area 23 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:20.439 for about twenty years, over ten three years, so I'm 24 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:21.519 in Oakland, California. 25 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:25.680 Okay, awesome, all right, so let's go back. How does 26 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:26.480 this begin for you? 27 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:31.879 Well, how it begins, shorter version will be. I was 28 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:36.519 a very anxious child and later on a quite anxious adult. 29 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:39.439 I started my career in hospitality business. I was a 30 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:42.599 chef at first, then went to work for the Ritz 31 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:48.319 Carton Company, first as a chef, then as a metal 32 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.480 hotel director of restaurant, director of banquets. Learned to manage 33 00:01:52.480 --> 00:02:00.879 my anxiety very well, how with alcohol, Okay, okay, that works. 34 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:05.159 We have alcohol and other metadology. And at some point 35 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.680 it didn't work anymore. I mean, you know, it wasn't 36 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:10.800 obviously healthy for me, and and it was it was 37 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:14.280 kind of a hurricane constantly in me, even if you 38 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:17.120 didn't show all outside inside was it was a bit 39 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:20.360 of a disaster and a tual diveral things. Alcohol, of course, 40 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:22.800 of course, I should say, of course, but that's in 41 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:26.280 the business that I was. It was available and and 42 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:31.319 and seen as okay, psychotherapy, et cetera. And it didn't. 43 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:35.319 It didn't It wasn't clicking for me because I couldn't 44 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.639 keep on managing something that kept on hurting me constantly. 45 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:41.360 So this is when I decided to quit in two 46 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:45.120 thousand and eight and went to France, went back to 47 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:51.159 France actually and learning sol learning somatic therapy. And what 48 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.400 has been in my mind since the beginning is I 49 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.840 growing up. I was raised by my parents, and my 50 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:00.400 grandfather was a World War two veteran and it went 51 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:05.039 through immense trauma himself, and I was always wondering how 52 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:10.199 people like him and people of his generation could tap 53 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:14.960 into resilience and building a brain new life for their 54 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:18.479 family without having any kind of personal help. So that 55 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.960 always was in my mind, Right, Why do I struggle 56 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.560 so much from my emotions when I did not leave 57 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.000 any trauma that I can remember, and people who leave 58 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:29.080 so much trauma are able to be as resilient as 59 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:31.560 my grandfather was b was. So it was something in 60 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:35.800 my mind, something, something, something I didn't get. What is 61 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.199 it that's not clicking in me that allowed me to 62 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.400 become resilient so to speak? And this is how I 63 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.919 got into into researching somatic therapy and and so on 64 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:45.439 and so on. 65 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:51.240 So the bridge between you being a chef working at 66 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:56.879 the Ritz Carlton experiencing anxiety, he moved back to France, 67 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:00.599 you said, and started studying. So you started studying somatic 68 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:05.639 therapy or psychology because you had been experiencing so much anxiety. 69 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:08.800 Correct, because because it was it was at first it 70 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.319 was just to find a better solution for me, and 71 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:16.199 also to be honest. Working at the RIDS, I had 72 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.160 an opportunity to manage a lot of people. I had 73 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.279 a team of two hudred and fifty people. And you 74 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:23.839 could see that if you don't manage people, you manage 75 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:27.439 the emotions. Everybody come with a load of emotions at 76 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:31.040 work and you've got to take the time to understand 77 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:32.879 the little bit what's going on in the life, what 78 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.199 allowed them to be the best version of themselves at 79 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:39.560 work as well. So as a manager, you constantly quote 80 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.560 unquote manage people emotions so that they can be in 81 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.600 an ecosystem that allowed them to thrive and to feel joy. 82 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:52.040 So emotions always have been something that was quite fascinated about. 83 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:59.959 So you start studying how does everything unfold, what happens, 84 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:01.040 what do you start. 85 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.360 Doing so, as I went back to France and I 86 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.720 joined a research group of around somatic therapy. 87 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:09.360 So I learned. 88 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.399 I learned a specific modelity team that was studied by 89 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.319 a gentleman in several of Frances called Jampa. And the 90 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.079 the idea is quite simple at the beginning, which is 91 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:25.399 when people feel an emotion, When they start feeling an 92 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:29.519 emotion and they can put their attention into the physical 93 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.759 sensation they're feeling, they can remain with the physical sensation 94 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:37.839 they're feeling without interfering with the sensations whatsoever. So no breath, 95 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:42.120 no stretching, nothing. At the end, after a few minutes, 96 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.600 the sound sessions abate and what seems to happen is 97 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.959 that the emotion that were suffering from is not coming back. 98 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.560 So it started from this observation from Jean Paul reg 99 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:58.600 nowadays jam is one of the people working with at 100 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.279 the Emotional Health Institute. So we took this observation a 101 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:07.240 plate of course on ourself and other people and started 102 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:11.639 to understand what is happening. I will keep the shore 103 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.240 the story short, but after practicing and refining this work 104 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:20.600 from Saya in twenty nineteen, when I say we is myself, 105 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:25.120 doctor Jacqueshimex, with gastro anthologists from the University of Young 106 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:30.439 in France. We build the Emotional Health Institute to really 107 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.720 understand what was happening in the brain in the body. 108 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:37.360 That will explain this phenomenon of at the beginning of 109 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.240 an emotion. If I'm able to keep my attention on 110 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.399 my sen sessions with that interfering with them, the emotion 111 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:44.120 doesn't come. 112 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.920 Back at the beginning of an emotion. 113 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:49.079 It's most important at the beginning. 114 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.920 Right because I'm thinking someone's in the emotion. It can 115 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.560 be very difficult to have that level of self awareness. 116 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:57.920 Give us something. Okay, hang on before we get into 117 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:02.519 the specific to this. So what I'm noticing here, Cedric 118 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:09.120 is you went all in. You didn't just start studying somatic. 119 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.160 You went all in. You started, and you started. You 120 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:17.120 developed your own system. Explain that to me. 121 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:20.759 I don't know if I can explain it. I think 122 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:24.759 you you you start, I started falling into it. It's 123 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:29.399 you know, okay, okay, if you look around, very so 124 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:34.920 much misery, very so much misery, because people are trapped 125 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:38.399 into a gel of fear. I would say we have 126 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:41.279 so much fear instead of us, and we we isolate 127 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.360 in our fear, and that cuts us from the connection 128 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:48.199 of the world of each other. And isolation create pain, 129 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.759 Pain create fear, fear create mayhem. And I could see 130 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:59.680 it for me, I could see it for people around me, clients, family, friends. 131 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:05.959 It became I started reading philosophy, people like Merlo Ponti 132 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:10.920 in France or Spinosa, and trying to understand where all 133 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:14.000 this pain was coming from, and how can we come 134 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:19.199 back to a place where we're more connected and not 135 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:27.000 so much self interested, right, healing for connection, not diving 136 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.879 into the self self self self self and just getting 137 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:34.679 getting obsessed by oneself instead of opening up to the world. 138 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:40.240 So so yes, I got yeah, jump Adred and ten 139 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:40.840 person into it. 140 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:45.039 You can say that, yes, during this time, how were 141 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.360 you doing personally? How is your anxiety? 142 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:52.000 So I started really being interested in this work because 143 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.440 my anxiety changed tremendously, Right. I went from being extremely stressed, 144 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:01.759 a lot of self directed anger and depression to becoming 145 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.240 more and more joyful, to not have to control my 146 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.080 anxiety anymore. But that's it, that's the key, right, It 147 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:12.519 really started when I didn't have to control my anxiety anymore. 148 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:16.720 But I stopped feeling it when I was able to to. 149 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:20.480 So it's not about not feeling emotions here, let's be precise. 150 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.639 It's about being able to feel the emotions that are 151 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.559 congruent with our current reality and not being overwhelmed by 152 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:31.159 our fear. Is when I stop having to manage myself, 153 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:36.519 control myself, finding copying mechanism to exist. That as saw 154 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:43.440 that what we were diving in was most important and efficient. 155 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:52.519 So at some point you founded the Emotional Health Institute two. Yet, okay, 156 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:57.720 you are the co developer of emotional resolution. Let's dive 157 00:09:57.759 --> 00:09:59.279 into that. What is that? 158 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:04.399 Okay, emotional resolution studied by the observe with the observation. 159 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.519 As I said earlier, than if if we're able to 160 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.360 get inside the emotion at the beginning of the emotion 161 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:14.600 and feeling the physical sensations happening in the body until 162 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:17.559 that dawn evolving at the end of the evolution, what 163 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:21.639 we notice on the emotion we started with wasn't coming back. 164 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.720 So how is that possible? Well, to keep it simple, 165 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.360 it's a matter of prediction. Right. If you look at 166 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.360 the work of Lisa and Van Barrett out of Boston 167 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:38.080 and the principle of the prediction of the brain. Every 168 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:45.200 debilitating emotional patterns, anxiety, depression, recurring fears, it is nothing 169 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.080 else but an outdated prediction from the brain. I can 170 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:52.919 explain why, in a nutshell we know today two things 171 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:54.879 to have in mind when it comes to emotional difficulty is. 172 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:59.080 Number one, the brain constantly predict. This is why before 173 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.399 biting an up you know exactly what the apple is 174 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.840 gonna taste like the brain constantly predict number one. Number two, 175 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:10.879 we understand how a debilitated emotional pattern is created today. 176 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.759 It is always the same type of event that creates 177 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:17.159 an emotional difficulty pattern in our life. This event is 178 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:20.360 what we're gonna call it trauma. And what is a trauma? 179 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.799 A trauma is an instent that holds too much stress, 180 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.080 physical or emotional for us to take on when we 181 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:32.159 experience it. That's it. So a baby with barely born 182 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.600 is going to experience something as a trauma. When forty 183 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.320 years old, men will be completely relevant for therefore, for example, now, 184 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.679 what's important as well to understand is what creates the 185 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.039 pattern is not the trauma. It is the instent of 186 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:46.200 dissociation happening within the trauma. 187 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.639 That's more we'll repeat that again. 188 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:53.039 What creates the pattern is not the trauma itself, it 189 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:59.039 is they are the instant plural of dissociation happening during 190 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:03.879 the traumatic event. Okay, so to go a bit more 191 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.759 into it is, let's say that I'm being sexually abused 192 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.759 for five minutes. I'm not going to see dissociate only once. 193 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:11.879 I'm going to go in and out, in and out, 194 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.519 in and out of consciousness. When the stress is too high, 195 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.519 we dissociate so we do not suffer too much during 196 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:23.279 this instant. Now, the amount of information that you and 197 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:27.200 I are gathering currently consciously is about two thousand bits 198 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:29.440 of information process at the speed of one hundred and 199 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:34.320 fifteen miles per hour consciously subconsciously, when the prefunct or 200 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:38.440 corotects shut down, you're subconscious as a capacity the ability 201 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:42.080 to gather four hundred billion bits of information per seconds 202 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:44.200 and to process it at this bit of one hundred 203 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.960 and fifty thousand miles per hours. These are the numbers 204 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.200 from the Penn University. They're from twenty twelve. But if 205 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.240 you if you look at data, it's always the same realm. 206 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:58.480 The realm is two thousand basically for conscious versus four 207 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:02.200 hundred billion bits of information. Wow, from the subconscious. So 208 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.000 what is happening is during this instant of dissociation, the 209 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.279 preforntal contests shut down, so we don't suffer too much, 210 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:14.360 but the subconscious takes over. So imagine vortex opening up outside, 211 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:19.240 gathering all the information around you, the taste, the color, 212 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:24.320 the general information, and the vortex up an inside gathering 213 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.279 all the physical sensations, information from the physical sensation happening 214 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:33.559 anybody during this instead of dissociation. So dissociation is inner 215 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.559 and outside vortex is happening gathering all this information in 216 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:42.039 a knowlogical, non inner way at a very high definition. Well, 217 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:43.519 the go ahead, I was. 218 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:48.039 Just gonna say. So, if I'm hearing you clearly, then 219 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:53.919 we're still taking in information despite the fact that we're associating, 220 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:55.840 but only on a subconscious level. 221 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.679 Correct, we're taking all this information, but it is high definition, 222 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.559 high speed, nonlinear knowlgical. 223 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:04.840 Right. 224 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:11.399 Wow, it's like we're pull of information nolinear no knowlogical. 225 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:17.840 Later on, when our brain our body is exposed to 226 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:23.879 one or several elements that were present during a specific dissociation, 227 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:28.519 your brain, my brain is going to predict what physical 228 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:32.039 sensations you're about to feel based on what you felt 229 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:37.080 during this specific dissociative moment. Your brain is going to 230 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:40.519 generate those physical sensations. We're going to call that an 231 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:44.600 interceptive prediction. You know that you feel an emotion because 232 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.600 you feel physical sensations. You know that you feel anxious 233 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.200 because you have tension in your body that you conceptualize 234 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:53.720 based on the context as anxiety. Same thing for anger, 235 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.879 something for depression. We know that you feel a certain way. 236 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:58.559 We know that we feel a certain way because we 237 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:03.080 feel a certain way in our body. This is interception. Now, 238 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.759 when the brain is exposed to one or several elements, 239 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.000 it doesn't matter if you remember consciously what they are 240 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:12.279 or not to elements that were presenting an install of association. 241 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.440 As I said, your brain is going to generate physical sensations. 242 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:19.840 Interception a prediction, those physical sensations that lets you know 243 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:23.000 how you feel. Is nothing else but an nowdated prediction. 244 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:27.720 So during an ameres an emotional resolution session, what we 245 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:31.519 will get to do is to retrigger very specifically an 246 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.120 emotion for a client. At the beginning, the body is 247 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:40.080 going to generate this interceptive prediction the current is going 248 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:44.159 to feel some physical sensations. Usually, when we feel physical 249 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:47.840 sensations linked to an emotion or at the base of 250 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:52.480 an emotion, we control them. We breathe with stretch, we 251 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:55.000 talk ourselves out of the emotion. Here, we're going to 252 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:58.440 do the reverse. We're going to bring our attention to 253 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:02.120 the physical sensations in a specific way, and we're going 254 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:07.039 to keep our attention active in feeling the physical sensations 255 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:10.840 as they change in our body. That's gonna take between 256 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:14.759 two seconds and ninety seconds, never more. An emotion never 257 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:19.480 lasts longer longer than ninety seconds in the brain. If 258 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:23.120 I can stay attentive to the physical sensations in my 259 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:28.360 body without trying to breathe stretch changing anything happening within me, 260 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.879 so to be precise, if I can give my physical 261 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.559 sensations as they change in my body without interfering with them, 262 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.960 in a safe environment, in a safe environment, at the 263 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:43.320 end of this indictor receptive interceptive prediction that never lasts 264 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:47.360 longer than ninety seconds, my brain is anticipating to be 265 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.120 hit by some kind of danger exactly as it happened 266 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:55.559 during a specific dissociative event. Dissociative event while during a session, 267 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:01.000 nothing happens at the end, I am second sound all right? 268 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:06.119 And and in that process, you're what interrupting the pattern. 269 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.200 In that process, you're actually allowing the pattern to be 270 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:15.279 completely replayed without interfering with it, without stopping it whatsoever. 271 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.720 Okay, give me, give me, give me a specific give me, 272 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.799 give me a specific example. Maybe I walk into your office. 273 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:26.599 I'm anxious, I am, I do have anxiety. So I 274 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.640 am an anxious person. I don't know from an anxious person, 275 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:31.920 but I definitely do have anxiety. But if someone walks 276 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:35.319 into your office, what do you do? How does this work? Yeah? 277 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:38.279 Absolutely? So I will ask the person, if we could 278 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:42.960 resolve anything within you today, what would that be? Okay, 279 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:47.240 sh for me? 280 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:55.200 Okay, I would say, I am very anxious about uh 281 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.160 going to the dentist and getting a root canal. 282 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:02.839 Okay, beautiful. That's very specific because here you're bringing a 283 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:06.480 good point guy, which is we concept to as thing 284 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:08.799 as anxiety. But the way that you feel when you 285 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.559 go to the dentist and you call that anxiety might 286 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:13.720 be very different from an anxiety that you feel before 287 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:17.359 presenting in front of people or before meeting somebody new. 288 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.880 So we've got to understand what specific anxiety we're resolving, 289 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.920 because the label can be the same, but the feeding 290 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:26.880 in the body might be very different. So here I 291 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:29.400 understand that it's the anxiety that you feel when you 292 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.759 have to get some dental work done perfect. That's going 293 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:35.319 to be what we're going to be resolving today. At 294 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:37.519 this point, I would ask you for a specific time 295 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:43.160 when you fail this fear. Nothing traumatic. We never work 296 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:46.640 with trauma in emerates. There's no point in revisiting any 297 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:52.000 trauma because within a traumatic event, chances are your several dissociations. 298 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:54.880 We always work with the way that the person is 299 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:58.680 fitting today. We never talk about trauma in emotional resolution. 300 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.920 So we'll ask you a moment when you fail this anxiety. 301 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:04.720 Not because it went wrong at the dentist, No, no, 302 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.200 I don't even want to know about that. I want 303 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:09.559 to know a moment when you experien the anxiety that 304 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.519 you don't want to feel anymore. And you will find 305 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:14.759 a situation when you fail this anxiety that you don't 306 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.319 want to feel anymore, and I will help you to 307 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:22.319 replay that moment to relieve this moment when you fail 308 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.640 the anxiety. We will relieve it together in a specific way. 309 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.440 Your body will generate the same physical sensation that you 310 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.640 feel usually when you feel this anxiety. At this point, 311 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:36.720 I will support you to move all your attention on 312 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.640 your body, on your physical sensations. You can have to 313 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.960 feel several physical sensations at once, because if you only 314 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:46.279 feel one sensation, the main one, it's not going to work. 315 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:50.480 Your brain is going to hyperfocus, the sensation will probably 316 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.480 increase and you will try to control it. So I 317 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:56.400 will I will help you to feel several sensations at 318 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.720 once and to do nothing with it, to just be attentive. 319 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:04.480 Those sound sessions are going to move, they're going to change. 320 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:06.920 It's important for me or for you to do nothing 321 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:10.519 about it. They will evolve for about two to ninety 322 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:15.440 seconds and at the end you will feel calm. We 323 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.200 will check together that this type of event of event 324 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:22.559 do not trigger those sound sessions anymore. They won't. And 325 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:24.119 then I will ask you when you have to go 326 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:26.519 see a doctor a dentist. The next time you say, well, 327 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:29.359 i'll see one in two weeks. Then as meeting three 328 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:32.400 weeks to make sure that it's gone, it will be gone. 329 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:38.039 Wow Wow, and that's very specific, but it can be 330 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:41.160 also for depression, it be for it can be for 331 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:46.079 a latent anxiety. Right, it's we always take the person 332 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:51.440 currently doing work with survivor of human trafficking in Africa 333 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.480 and the impact of the work is beautiful. We also 334 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:03.480 did a research for you CLA on physicians and nurses 335 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.559 having high level of anxiety, being close to burnout and 336 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:12.559 working in a very stressful environment comparing MREs to another modality, 337 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:15.000 and you can see very clearly the study is going 338 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:16.799 to be published by the end of the year. You 339 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:21.000 can see very very clearly how the anxiety level tremendously 340 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.200 go down working with emreates. 341 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:26.920 So how does this How does the amress differ from say, 342 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.200 other modalities. 343 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.799 So it depends on modality we're talking about. But I 344 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:37.640 think a couple of things. With emress we do not manage, 345 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.440 we resolve. So the goal is reach to resolve an 346 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:46.200 emotional difficulty. Then somebody is identifying so that the emotion 347 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:50.119 doesn't come back anymore. With emress, we work on three 348 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:53.599 levels of emotions conscious which is why people come to 349 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:56.440 see us, you and me. For example, the depression and 350 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.440 the anxiety. Things that are chronicote in our face, so 351 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:03.200 that a conscious emotion for me. We work on unconscious emotion, 352 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:07.720 which is more the emotion that we know are there 353 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:09.640 but we don't want to look at so much because 354 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:11.759 they don't fit very much with who we want to 355 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:14.839 be in the world or who want the world to see. 356 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:19.160 So these are the shame, the guilt, the self image emotions, 357 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:23.559 et cetera. And we also work on subconscious emotions. Subconscious 358 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:27.920 emotions so emotions that do not have a label because 359 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:31.720 the sound sessions are not strong enough to be conceptualized, 360 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.279 but the tensions and the body. So one other thing 361 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.599 with MRS is we're going to work on those three 362 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:42.200 levels of emotion. Another thing which differ with other more 363 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.319 than it is is we never talk about the trauma. 364 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:46.359 We don't need to know what the trauma was, and 365 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:48.920 the person doesn't have to talk about a traumatic event 366 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.599 in order to resumve. And another thing is we keep 367 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.759 things very simple, like there is not a lot of theory. 368 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:01.920 It's very pragmatic, very efficient, and it's extremely flexible in 369 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:06.519 the way that therapists can use it within the practice. Coaches, etra, 370 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:10.519 professional cops, et cetera, et cetera. Is very flexible. 371 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:16.400 In terms of, you know, for example, not needing to 372 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:26.079 talk about the trauma. There's varying you know, opinions on 373 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.279 to what degree that is useful within the treatment of trauma. 374 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:34.079 Why do you feel it's not useful especially useful, or 375 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:35.359 helpful or necessary? 376 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:42.119 There are several several reasons for that. One one of 377 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:44.720 the main things that I say is trauma cannot be 378 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:49.799 healed because trauma happened and there's nothing we can do 379 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:53.119 about it. However, what can be healed other wounds than 380 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:55.119 this trauma created in our life? And this is what 381 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:59.039 we do with emers. When we talk about the trauma, 382 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:04.759 we make it more real, we give it more more important, 383 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:07.440 we give you more importance in our life. In in 384 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.519 some cases we can become more attached to it as well. 385 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.039 Give me one sure, sure we can, we can pass here. 386 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:42.880 Yeah, thank you very much. Okay, yes, we as sorry. 387 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:45.559 I'm an invocation with my family in a hotel and 388 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:47.359 I asked for like check out and they get the 389 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:52.359 new oop I cannot hear you? 390 00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:56.799 Sorry about that? I said, Yeah, no worries. We can 391 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:02.160 just easily edit this out. Okay, so continue, Yeah, so. 392 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.599 We we we we don't go into the trauma because 393 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:08.240 we don't want we don't want to make it more real. 394 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:10.519 We don't want people to we don't want the client 395 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:15.160 to be focusing on the trauma, but focusing on what 396 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.079 is it currently in the life that they need to 397 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:20.880 be shifted in order for them to feel more peace 398 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:28.039 h And as as I mentioned earlier as well, often 399 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:31.119 within the traumatic event, the person is going to experience 400 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:36.480 several dissociations mm hm and and what creates the pattern 401 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.519