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<v Speaker 1>Okay, welcome to Wicked and Grim Wage. That's not how

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<v Speaker 1>it goes, is it. Fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>You're Ben, I'm Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim Uh True Crime podcast Morning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast contains content and material intended for a

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<v Speaker 1>mature audience listener discretion. Okay, I fucked that up. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>I try to be clever and do something cool that

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<v Speaker 1>I just went to ship.

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<v Speaker 2>If we go astray at all, we usually end up

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<v Speaker 2>fucking it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, right now, just real, let's do it. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up. My name's Ben and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole and you're listening to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was it was on you never mind. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>even if we don't go straight, we still suck it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know why because we've said it how

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<v Speaker 2>many times at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is what episode fifty four. Wow, I think

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<v Speaker 1>look at us, go right, so like Craig Crag and

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<v Speaker 1>actually we oh this is really cool. Today we hit

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and forty thousand listener podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I haven't actually checked for the longest time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're really close to a quarter of a million.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that was the next big one we said we

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<v Speaker 2>will share, like we'll do something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we are super close. Guys, thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for all that ridiculou Wow it blows our mind.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so awesome, right, wow, very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Where was I going with that? What were we talking

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<v Speaker 1>about before that? Fucking up? Oh? Yeah? And how how

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<v Speaker 1>we should know by now? But we've done this how

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<v Speaker 1>many times? And yeah there we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we still don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we've we've been listened to two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty thousand times fucking up over and over a film.

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<v Speaker 2>And so grab your hot chocolate's today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we had.

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<v Speaker 2>We're drinking some Spike hot chocolate. It's real tasty. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're recording on a new soundboard. Yeah. Does that can

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<v Speaker 2>actually make it sound differently?

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<v Speaker 1>It very well could. Yeah. But the really cool thing

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<v Speaker 1>is I don't have anything loaded yet, so it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like preset stuff on here. But I can do things

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<v Speaker 1>like this if I'm like you guys, give us an applause,

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<v Speaker 1>give us a round of applause, I can do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I feel like maybe let's not do that

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<v Speaker 2>too much because uh oh no, I definitely won't. Could

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine if we did that every five minutes or something.

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<v Speaker 2>People would just be like, oh like that, Oh that's funny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's pretty fancy, Actually it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's gonna take a little bit of used to

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out all the buttons and fan dangling this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But we are super stoked to have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like we look like we made it

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<v Speaker 2>to the big times.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we're getting there thanks to everyone so far. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe the support we've gotten. Well, we can afford

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<v Speaker 1>getting this because of the support we've gotten from people

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<v Speaker 1>over on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, they're amazing, and we've freaking royally leffed

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<v Speaker 2>up and forgot to thank them all last Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we got a little bit of catching up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we've got a list today. I've just freaking fantastic people.

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<v Speaker 1>So should I get to work on thanking all those

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<v Speaker 1>amazing individuals over on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So I am not promising anything on pronouncing names correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to suspect some of you are typing in

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<v Speaker 1>really weird names on purpose just to fuck with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they would.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Okay, I've talked to a few of

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<v Speaker 1>those those people out there, and you guys seem pretty maniacal.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome but maniaca. Okay, so let's go down this. We

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<v Speaker 1>got Desiree Lampet, Jessica armand Trout, I mean Armin Trout.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that just sounds like a made up name.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that sounds like a sweet name.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a sweet name, which is why it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>made up. It's like, who has a name like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Who has that sweet of a name?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Erica Newwash, Gosia Hannon, Tracy Keener, Ktessa Teresa, Emily Ricci,

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Shanks, Nicole Nadell, Randy Mathieson, Audrey Schuck. I'm out

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<v Speaker 1>of breath just thinking all you guys. Jeez, okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>got this, Ali Moore, Jason Bird, Hailey, Brandy Jensen, Hailey,

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<v Speaker 1>Cassie Christy Mooney and Gina Vertillo.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, guys, thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You for reporting us over on Patreon. Everything you do

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<v Speaker 1>for us, it's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>So awesome. There's another Nicole there is? Is there a

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<v Speaker 2>ben On there too? Like that? I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the first Nicole I think it might be. I'm into

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<v Speaker 2>that that's a cool name.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be, but Jessica, just I'm not. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>making fun of your name. I'm just suspicious because your

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<v Speaker 1>name is too cool. It doesn't seem to Jelly. I

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<v Speaker 1>am Jelly. I'm peanut butter and jelly sandwich over here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, So I hope everyone's Christmas is so far going good.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not Christmas holiday season, not even well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the holiday season tis the season, the holiday spirit, the December.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's all going great.

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<v Speaker 2>We have our house decked right out, even though it's

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny home, and I've been listening to Christmas music.

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<v Speaker 2>But if other than that, it hasn't been changed. I

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<v Speaker 2>still to get our Christmas shopping done. Holy moly, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well done well and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm almost finished shopping for you. But have you started

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<v Speaker 1>shopping for me?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have to do one person?

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<v Speaker 1>No? We do a secret Sanda with my family. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you've had on each other people because

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<v Speaker 2>I checked up everything else. But grant you, you work

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<v Speaker 2>a full time job and I'm my schedule is more flexible,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm into it all and I love shopping.

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<v Speaker 1>All those gifts are with your family though too, right

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<v Speaker 1>with my family, we each get one gift of the

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Santa, yeah, and then each other, and then it's

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<v Speaker 1>all the gifts for your family. I guess so you

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<v Speaker 1>know them better than me.

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, okay, but I also have to make some cookies

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<v Speaker 2>and do some baking.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm down to make cookies with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm so into that. And we wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>walk around our candy cane lane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so 'tis the season for epic shit to do?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's so fun, it's so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, just don't leave your Christmas shopping to last minute,

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<v Speaker 1>like clearly Nicole is doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this isn't last minute. Last minute is

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty fourth Well, we're getting close lots of times.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to have it done before December even hit,

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<v Speaker 2>so I am behind.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I know, like looking at the mall parking lot,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you wouldn't want to be shopping.

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<v Speaker 2>There right now? Well, yeah, because people get crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of a little bit on the ridiculous side.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean you still got to go out and

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<v Speaker 1>do the thing, the shopping. So good luck to those

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Doing that, wish you nothing but the best.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got really pumped because I forgot which case

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing today, and then I remembered in boom, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we are doing Wild It's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Very popular Christmas themed case. Is case? So many podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>cover this one around Christmas. I learned of this one

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<v Speaker 1>only because of the request that we had multiple people requesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was awesome actually, and then yeah, researching it and

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<v Speaker 1>listening to other podcasts, it's like, oh, like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a true crime case that is covered very frequently this

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<v Speaker 1>time of year, so let's let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think there's probably a ton of Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>and cases, no, no, but anyone who has covered it's

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<v Speaker 2>like boom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and anyone who has covered this one, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>they cover it Christmas because of how it's tied in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I know very little, So I'm I'm excited

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<v Speaker 2>to learn some morning Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck this one. It sucks. Yeah yeah, so so trigger

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<v Speaker 1>warning on some on some some murderous stuff and killing

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<v Speaker 1>of children.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, what we said we weren't going to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just so many cases, so many, like what the frig?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so is what it is? You've been borned. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>both in the intro and now, so here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's dive into the covena massacre. You ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Let's start out with a little a little

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<v Speaker 1>nice interlude, A little introduction. Seems nice and happy, but

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<v Speaker 1>here we go. So Bruce and Sylvia Pardo started the

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<v Speaker 1>new year in two thousand and six with all signs

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<v Speaker 1>pointing to a bright future. They were just getting married

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<v Speaker 1>and together they had a healthy combined income of approximately

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty thousand. Nice. Right, that's a nice

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<v Speaker 1>annual income, especially in two thousand and six too. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a gorgeous half million dollar home on a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet cul de sac in Montrose, California. Nice, nice neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 1>nice area, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Warm, yeah, inegor, I'm sitting here freezing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, welcome to Canada. But they're gonna be cold. So

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<v Speaker 1>everything was looking great in their life, but things quickly

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<v Speaker 1>turned sour, and divorce documents paint a bitter picture of

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Pardo's increasing depression as he lost his first wife,

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<v Speaker 1>or so he lost his wife first, then his job,

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<v Speaker 1>and finally the dog Saky in the divorce. By fall

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and eight, Bruce was asking the judge

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<v Speaker 1>to have his ex wife pay him support and cover

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<v Speaker 1>his attorney fees. But before all this happened, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>a bit about Bruce and what his life was like before.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, okay, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So, Bruce attended high school in Sun Valley. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he went to California State University in Northridge to study

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<v Speaker 1>computer science. He loved being the center of attention and

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<v Speaker 1>he was very outgoing person. At his university graduation, he

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<v Speaker 1>carried a blow up doll with him and it made

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<v Speaker 1>his way around the ceremony and I could only assume

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<v Speaker 1>probably across the stage as well. I mean, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to carry it around your ceremony, you're probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>want to highlight it across the stage, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's kind of like a funny dude, too funny guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's more of like a like a frat

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<v Speaker 1>kind of guy sort of thing I couldn't really find

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<v Speaker 1>too much, and like his sense of humor and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll cover a little bit more on his personality you're

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. But yeah, I think it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>he's just out there and loud, rambunctious a bit. Friends, family,

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<v Speaker 1>and coworkers recalled him as exceptionally bright, and after university

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<v Speaker 1>he landed a job as a software engineer at the

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<v Speaker 1>Jet Hulshan Laboratory in California. That sounds fancy shit, but

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't the hardest working individual. So yes, fancy as fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a smart individual.

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<v Speaker 2>But his work was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Ethic was kind of shite. Okay, Yeah, so it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>one of those people that's like the coworker where you're

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<v Speaker 1>just like glaring out all the time because it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>like the working hard or hardly working kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that sentiment kind of would sum up Bruce.

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<v Speaker 2>For the real party.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's well, that's pretty much how he spent most

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<v Speaker 1>of his working days, just kind of like lulling around

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<v Speaker 1>not doing much. So it wasn't just at work though

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<v Speaker 1>that he seemed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do this.

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<v Speaker 1>He would always relish the chance to defeat the system

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<v Speaker 1>per se. One colleague actually recalled that he hacked into

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<v Speaker 1>the Jet Propulsion laboratori's computer system and just to learn

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<v Speaker 1>his his coworkers salaries, like fucking dick move. Yeah, why

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<v Speaker 1>because he's an asshole apparently and wanted to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>so he did.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's smart, so seriously smart as hat do you

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<v Speaker 2>ever do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's smart, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like because he has curiosity, really.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably didn't want to do the work, so he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what else can I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? And making sure he's getting paid enough?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, even.

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<v Speaker 2>Though he's not doing jack all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice, So he did that. Fucking skeev as shit, but

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<v Speaker 1>he did it. He basically seemed to come and go

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<v Speaker 1>at work and do whatever he wanted and whatever he

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<v Speaker 1>pleased whenever wherever throughout his life, personal life, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>nine yards. In nineteen I that doesn't sound like the

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<v Speaker 1>right year. Hold on, I have nineteen eighty eight. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like the right year. I gotta go double

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<v Speaker 1>check this. Okay, don't mind me. That totally is the

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<v Speaker 1>right year in nineteen eighty eight. So we're good. We're good.

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<v Speaker 1>That just seemed like way too long ago. I was

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<v Speaker 1>like me, ninety eight, but no, it is eighty eight, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so ignore me.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, what do you mean that was long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We were born?

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<v Speaker 2>Then? Did? Yeah? Not that long ago?

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<v Speaker 1>We old in nineteen eighty eight, when he was just

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, Bruce became engaged to a coworker named I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say Delilah, but it's not Delilah. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>really close. It's Deliah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's if I slip up and say Delilah, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Deliah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>They invited approximately two hundred and fifty guests to their

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<v Speaker 1>nuptials at the San Fernando Mission.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that would be a pretty penny eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going to be a big wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce, however, didn't have so much money even though they're

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<v Speaker 1>planning this big wedding, So he didn't have any of

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<v Speaker 1>his money at the time, and he was actually in

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<v Speaker 1>fact living with his mother even though he's got this

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<v Speaker 1>great paying job.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's he spending all his money on.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll kind of get to that, okay. So the bride

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<v Speaker 1>to be dipped into her savings for the country club

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<v Speaker 1>reception and honeymoon reservations in Tahiti. Wow, so she's paying

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<v Speaker 1>for it all for the two hundred and fifty guests

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<v Speaker 1>at the wedding at a country club and the honeymoon in.

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<v Speaker 2>Tahiti, like that would be a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and it's going to be like a wedding

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<v Speaker 1>to remember, And she was dishing out big bucks to

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<v Speaker 1>have the wedding of her dream sort of thing all

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<v Speaker 1>on her own.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe her parents were helping her too.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something, though potentially I'm not too certain on that extent.

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<v Speaker 1>All I know is that Bruce wasn't paying a dime nice,

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<v Speaker 1>so she was all on her, and potentially.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like at that point I just be like

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<v Speaker 2>Pierce right, not into this anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So. Anyways, after planning lots of money clearly being sunk

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<v Speaker 1>into the wedding, finally the big day arrived. All the

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<v Speaker 1>planning money spent, he'd come down to today. The day

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<v Speaker 1>of the wedding was June seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine. However,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't play out white as planned. Deliah waited for an

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<v Speaker 1>hour for him to walk down the aisle and there

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<v Speaker 1>stood an empty altar and no groom. He never showed up.

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<v Speaker 1>What he fucking ghosted her on the wedding?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you serious, dead fucking serious after she's pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>spent her probably life fucking savings on.

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<v Speaker 1>That, yep? Wow, fucking dick hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't like him at all anymore. Pretty much done already.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you should be. You're really going to be done

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear more of what's to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you're good. Bruh, I'm appalled already.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's fucking disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>Spoiler alert, Bruce is a douche canoe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, well I already gathered that.

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<v Speaker 1>So the next week after the wedding, Deliah learned that

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce had withdrawn the remaining amount from her savings, totaling

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand dollars, leaving Deliah completely flat broke, and, as

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, rather than get married, he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Palm Springs on vacation, where he blew all

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<v Speaker 1>her money.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, Like, I don't even know what to say,

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<v Speaker 2>because this guy's a freaking asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he just blew all the money, just partied it away,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't care about the wedding, just took the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>what she had and fucked off and didn't give a shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, Okay, cancel the wedding whatever, Like that's not like

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the world, but cancel it prior to

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<v Speaker 2>like at least give the person that you're about to

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<v Speaker 2>marry some freaking respect like that is brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>He was probably on a fucking airplane laughing.

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<v Speaker 2>While she was Wow, that makes my heart like actually

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<v Speaker 2>sing because just what that would do to her and

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<v Speaker 2>her life's man and stuff like just traumatizing. Really, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she would never trust another.

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<v Speaker 1>Soul, oh and rightfully.

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<v Speaker 2>So wow. So also I might just have to add

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<v Speaker 2>like she might have dodged a bullet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, she fucking dodged a bullet.

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<v Speaker 2>Just from the teeny bits that I know about this story.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she she definitely dodged a bullet metaphorically and literally,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll say that. Yeah. So there is a quote that

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<v Speaker 1>I have from Deliah. Whatever he felt like he did,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no sense of responsibility. That's how she would

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<v Speaker 1>go on to describe Bruce. And since that day the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship was clearly over right, she had moved on and

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<v Speaker 1>she actually went on to find a happy life with

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<v Speaker 1>someone else and got married and moved to another state.

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<v Speaker 1>So good for Jelia out there just realizing that and

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<v Speaker 1>being like, fuck this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good for her.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jeliah described Bruce to a fucking tea, no responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>and he did as he pleased a simple as that

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<v Speaker 1>he liked to be center of attention. As we already said,

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<v Speaker 1>partying was a normal thing for him. He would often

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<v Speaker 1>invite friends onto his boat on Lake Havas Havasu. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>And in one incident, he had a friend fall overboard.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there were some discrepancies in this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like a rafting trip, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>that friend actually nearly drowned, and all he did was

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<v Speaker 1>laugh about it. He thought he thought it was funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy this guy just doesn't seem like he gets it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he don't. He don't because.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, But like, no matter what kind of state

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<v Speaker 2>you're in, Like, if your friend's drowning, like right, get

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<v Speaker 2>your shit together and help them.

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<v Speaker 1>I can understand maybe laughing after the fact with your friend.

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<v Speaker 1>If your friend is sound. Yeah, if your friend is like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, look that was close, and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>giggling about it, Yeah, it's okay for you giggle along

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<v Speaker 1>with them. But like they're being pulled onto the when

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<v Speaker 1>they're sitting laughing and that they're basically dying.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck off, Holy heck, I'm sprays you even had any

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<v Speaker 2>fucking friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that friend, actually I have a quote here

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<v Speaker 1>from them as well. He didn't get the severity of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. He was very very intelligent, but common sense lacking.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so I guess that kind of makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, yeah, it kind of kind of does, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>common sense only goes so far. When you ditch your

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<v Speaker 1>bride to be at a fucking altar, steal their money,

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<v Speaker 1>and go on a vacation, that's not common sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I wasn't thinking about the wedding. What I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking about maybe this, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe this isnt incident, but still like that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it paints this incident, but it doesn't paint him

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<v Speaker 1>fully in my opinion, that excuse only goes so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh totally so. By two thousand and one, at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of thirty seven, Bruce seemed to have finally settled down.

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<v Speaker 1>He was living in Woodland Hills with his girlfriend, Elenacano Lacano.

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<v Speaker 1>Names are hard Elena Lacano and the thirteen month year

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<v Speaker 1>old son. There's my old son, thirteen month son. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so he has his kid now, Yeah, he had a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen month old son, Matthew. However, a week after New

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<v Speaker 1>Year's Bruce was home alone with his son while it

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<v Speaker 1>was out of the house. You ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know because you I am scared now with

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<v Speaker 2>the look on your face.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce was chilling on the couch watching TV. Oh oh hang,

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<v Speaker 1>no attention to his son, h oh, while little Michael

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<v Speaker 1>ended up falling into a backyard swimming pool.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, no, no, no lived though? Did he drowned?

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<v Speaker 1>When Alena returned home, she found Bruce screaming and holding

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<v Speaker 1>and cradling their thirteen month son in panic. According to

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<v Speaker 1>her attorney, Bruce maintained a vigil by the boy's hospital

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<v Speaker 1>bed for a week, but when the doctors determined that

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew would never fully recover, Bruce and Elena split up.

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<v Speaker 1>He just pieced the fuck out. So Michael did survive, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now because of the accident, he was actually left with

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<v Speaker 1>severe brain damage and is paraplegic.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously. Yeah, and that and Bruce just has nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with that now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither Elena or Matthew have ever seen Bruce. Wow never again.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this guy. Now, I do want to say one

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<v Speaker 1>thing I can understand, Like, he clearly felt bad on

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. He was like fucking grieving, And I can

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<v Speaker 1>understand someone like that, like a father having caused something

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<v Speaker 1>like that to their own child. The guilt he would

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<v Speaker 1>have fucking felt if he actually did feel it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>assuming he did by his reaction, so I can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that guilt like would have drove him to do things

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<v Speaker 1>that's like we may not understand. However, he never fucking returned.

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<v Speaker 1>He sure, you fucking run away from it, but you realize, shit,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta do something. You can't do that, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to right you're wrong. He never righted.

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<v Speaker 2>Him running away and never coming back almost just as bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I understand him panicking and being like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I can do this. I don't

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00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:09.680
<v Speaker 1>give a ship. You have to do it.

426
00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Well, because honestly, I mean, shit happens, like

427
00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:16.599
<v Speaker 2>of course you didn't mean for that to be to happen,

428
00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:20.440
<v Speaker 2>but then to just leave, like to piece the fuck out.

429
00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, wow, you got you gotta fucking buck up.

430
00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's devastating.

431
00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:33.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So now apparently, and I'm not sure in the source,

432
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:36.319
<v Speaker 1>but listening uh to the incredibly talented ladies over on Morbid,

433
00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:39.640
<v Speaker 1>who also presented this case. They found a source where

434
00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Lena and Matthew or said to actually be doing really well,

435
00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:48.839
<v Speaker 1>and let's be honest, probably better without Bruce. I'm not

436
00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.119
<v Speaker 1>too sure sure the source they had for that, but

437
00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna trust them because they awesome.

438
00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're good. They're good.

439
00:22:55.880 --> 00:23:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, shout out to you too, I know they're awesome. Now,

440
00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.079
<v Speaker 1>this is where Bruce and his mother actually begin to

441
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.839
<v Speaker 1>have a little bit of troubles. You see Bruce being

442
00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Bruce literally just abandoning his fucking child, and his mother

443
00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:12.319
<v Speaker 1>didn't agree with these actions in the slightest because, let's

444
00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:15.440
<v Speaker 1>be honest, she's a fucking person and Bruce is clearly not.

445
00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:17.440
<v Speaker 2>The She's a mother.

446
00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's like it's your own fucking kid, so.

447
00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, and that would have been her grandkid and stuff, right,

448
00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:25.640
<v Speaker 2>So that's all of a sudden, probably out of her

449
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:26.160
<v Speaker 2>life too.

450
00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you do literally know something's wrong when your

451
00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:33.319
<v Speaker 1>own caring mother sides with your ex.

452
00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Just saying you have to do a lot of shit

453
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:37.519
<v Speaker 2>for your mom to side.

454
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:38.319
<v Speaker 1>With your ex.

455
00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think, well, not not always, but generally generally.

456
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Generally speaking. So now in two thousand and four, Bruce

457
00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:50.240
<v Speaker 1>would meet a woman by the name of Sylvia Ortes Ortes.

458
00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I misspelled her name. No, No, I didn't, Sorry,

459
00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Orza Orza. Yeah. I was like, there's a tea in there,

460
00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Sylvia or up. Yeah. They were introduced by her brother

461
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:07.440
<v Speaker 1>in law, who was one of Bruce's coworkers. Sylvia was

462
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 1>forty years old and had three children from two previous marriages.

463
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.079
<v Speaker 1>She was just what Bruce needed, a down to earth

464
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:16.519
<v Speaker 1>woman with a large family, someone who could bring him

465
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.559
<v Speaker 1>back to earth and help settle him down, because she's

466
00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:21.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of the woman who's like, ain't gonna take no

467
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 1>shit sort of thing. Right, Oh nice, she's a mom.

468
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:26.799
<v Speaker 1>She can't afford to, like, you know, run around and

469
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.400
<v Speaker 1>be childish at him. Yeah, it's like either you're gonna

470
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.079
<v Speaker 1>fucking be You're gonna man up, or you're not sort

471
00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of thing. So it's exactly what he needed. So this

472
00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:39.440
<v Speaker 1>brings us to now when they got married in January

473
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth of two thousand and six, and.

474
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:43.000
<v Speaker 2>He didn't leave her at the fucking altar.

475
00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:44.400
<v Speaker 1>He didn't leave her at the altar.

476
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:45.440
<v Speaker 2>He grew up a little bit.

477
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I guess he did a little bit, They bought their

478
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.200
<v Speaker 1>half million dollar home that we talked about, they started

479
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:53.480
<v Speaker 1>their life together, and of course, as we did say

480
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:55.759
<v Speaker 1>though already, divorce was imminent.

481
00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Right.

482
00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they ended up separating on March seven, two

483
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.519
<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight, after Sylvia found out about his son,

484
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.519
<v Speaker 1>who he had left behind and never contacted again. Michael,

485
00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>really he hit it all from her, and she managed

486
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:11.759
<v Speaker 1>to find out.

487
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, that's quite the thing to hide. Yeah, and

488
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:19.000
<v Speaker 2>then obviously she did not approve either, no of this

489
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:19.799
<v Speaker 2>whole situation.

490
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.319
<v Speaker 1>No, clearly that was enough for Sylvia to realize what

491
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a huge piece of shit he is.

492
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, holy shit.

493
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Good for her, I like her, right, and she wanted

494
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:32.279
<v Speaker 1>the fuck out. Yeah, understandable. Good job Sylvia of recognizing

495
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that shit, not taking no shit and piece in the

496
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:37.720
<v Speaker 1>fuck out. However, though she was in a bit of

497
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>a situation, she asked if she could stay at the

498
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 1>home with Bruce while while her sorry daughter finished up

499
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the last few months of kindergarten. You know, rather than

500
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:51.279
<v Speaker 1>yanking your kid out of school making it rough on.

501
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.839
<v Speaker 2>Her, She's being a good parent, right. Wow.

502
00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:56.759
<v Speaker 1>All they had to do was tolerate each other for

503
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>a couple of months like adults, and she would move

504
00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:01.920
<v Speaker 1>on hard though, I'm not going to lie. It would

505
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.519
<v Speaker 1>be especially for Bruce because Bruce being well Bruce, Bruce.

506
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Sylvia was at a niece's birthday party and while she

507
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:15.960
<v Speaker 1>was there, he threw all her ship out in the driveway.

508
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:22.720
<v Speaker 2>For right, Why why doesn't he get the fuck out? Like,

509
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:24.480
<v Speaker 2>why does she have to get out?

510
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:26.839
<v Speaker 1>It's mostly his house?

511
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's a piece of ship.

512
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, it's not that it's mostly his house. I

513
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't say that because it it takes two to tango.

514
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 1>They're both in a relationship and we kind of touch

515
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 1>on that. But he kicked her out, and I would

516
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.480
<v Speaker 1>say probably because he feels like it's him his home

517
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 1>because he's the bread winner.

518
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, just the fact that he's a piece of shit

519
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:46.720
<v Speaker 2>means that he should not have the house and she

520
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:48.680
<v Speaker 2>should get it. Yeah, I'm done with him.

521
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, she quickly filed for divorce after that, and

522
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:53.279
<v Speaker 1>she moved in with her sister.

523
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:58.559
<v Speaker 2>This guy, oh, this guy, Hugh. I'm disgusted. I need

524
00:26:58.559 --> 00:26:59.880
<v Speaker 2>more to chop.

525
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Take a sip, I don't have any left.

526
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:04.359
<v Speaker 2>I drink it all and I.

527
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Still got something stressing me.

528
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Out.

529
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>It's more like cold chocolate now, though still good. So

530
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>during the divorce, Bruce was apparently hoping to reconcile, but

531
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Sylvia wasn't having it.

532
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:17.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sorry, maybe you should have thought about that

533
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 2>before you threw all her stuff on the driveway.

534
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Right, what the I mean?

535
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, that kind of stuff has consequences.

536
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.079
<v Speaker 1>If you were hoping to reconcile, maybe those couple months

537
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.559
<v Speaker 1>when she was staying there would have been a good time.

538
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it would probably would have been perfect time, actually, right,

539
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and they probably could have.

540
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't even really know what to

541
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:44.599
<v Speaker 1>say to that. I mean, it's just yeah, seriously, Yeah,

542
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>she was a grown ass woman though she's badass. Bit

543
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.400
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't having a child as bullshit. Let's put it

544
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.759
<v Speaker 1>this this way. She wasn't going back, but too late.

545
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Now you could have stopped at Bruce, you could have

546
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe have had your reconciliation, but not now. So all

547
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.440
<v Speaker 1>in all, Bruce was now working at a raidar system

548
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>company as a defense contractor, making one hundred and twenty

549
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 1>two thousand dollars a year. Yeah, while Sylvia was making

550
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:13.680
<v Speaker 1>approximately thirty one thousand dollars a year. As an administrative assistant.

551
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh, sorry, Bruce is making the more money. Yes, oh,

552
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was Sylvia.

553
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh so that's probably more so why he felt like

554
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 1>it was his home, because he's that breadwinner. He was

555
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.279
<v Speaker 1>bringing home a significant amount more than her.

556
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Like I say, it's fifty does matter when you're married.

557
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, it's fifty to fifty. But I'm sure he felt

558
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 1>entitled like that, well.

559
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Just clearly, yeah, the way he was.

560
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:42.559
<v Speaker 1>So with that discrepancy between their earnings though, and they

561
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:46.319
<v Speaker 1>were fifty to fifty in a marriage. On June eighteenth

562
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and eight, it was ordered that Bruce

563
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:53.079
<v Speaker 1>would pay Sylvia approximately seventeen hundred dollars a month for

564
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.960
<v Speaker 1>spousal support. His first check bounced and he just stopped

565
00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>paying after that.

566
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Of course that doesn't even fucking surprise me. Right,

567
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:06.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised he even fucking wrote a check to begin with,

568
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:07.839
<v Speaker 2>even though knowing was going.

569
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>To bounce, right, But it did bounce. And I mean

570
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>that's that We see that so much in cases like

571
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.079
<v Speaker 1>this where people actually have to support someone else, be

572
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>a child support, spousal support. How often do people actually

573
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.359
<v Speaker 1>receive that support? And there are cases where it is

574
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.559
<v Speaker 1>unfair that the individual has to pay that much or

575
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>pay that they shouldn't be paying to begin with. But

576
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.359
<v Speaker 1>then there are many cases where it's like, yeah, they

577
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>do deserve to be paid that there. Yeah, But either way,

578
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like there's rarely any money being transactioned. It seems like, well, if.

579
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>He's making that much money too, I mean.

580
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.279
<v Speaker 1>He should be able to.

581
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah like that, that shouldn't be doable.

582
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It should be Yeah, if you're making one hundred and

583
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty two K a year and you can't afford to

584
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>do any support like that, you're fucking up somewhere. I'm sorry.

585
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well he's probably just spending his money on stupid sheds.

586
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, most likely. So the next few months we had

587
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>the two had very little contact. They were divorced. Life

588
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:13.160
<v Speaker 1>had moved on, or at least Sylvia's did. It was

589
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Christmas Eve, December twenty fourth, two thousand and eight, the

590
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Ortega family invited all five of their children and their

591
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 1>kids to their home in Caravina, California, a quiet community

592
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 1>about twenty two miles east of Los Angeles. The Ortegas,

593
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Joseph and Alice loved Christmas and it was their favorite

594
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>time of year to spend with their family. They had

595
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 1>five children who all grew up and started families of

596
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:44.559
<v Speaker 1>their own, James and Charles, their eldest sons, and their daughters, Latissa, Alisa,

597
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:50.079
<v Speaker 1>and Sylvia. Okay, that Christmas Eve, the family gathered together

598
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 1>in their house and they even played fun games and

599
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.119
<v Speaker 1>even playing poker the adults while their children ran around

600
00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>enjoying some magical atmosphere of Christmas and the anticipation Santa

601
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Claus re making his rounds to each of them.

602
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, sounds so lovely.

603
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>But in the middle of the holiday celebration, the doorbell rang.

604
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Don't answer the fucking door.

605
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>You know what's coming? I do you do?

606
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:15.160
<v Speaker 2>It's so sad.

607
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Buckle your seatbelts, ladies, gentlemen, because here is where shit goes.

608
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 1>You ready for it?

609
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

610
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 1>It was eleven thirty pm Pacific standard time, and everyone

611
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 1>in the house was looking towards the door in confusion,

612
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>wondering who it could be. Well, yeah, that's late right then,

613
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>little eight year old Katrina saw Santa Claus through the window,

614
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>standing in the front door holding a big present, excited

615
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 1>with the prospect that like Sanna is showing up on

616
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Christmas Eve, present in hand, she jumped for joy and

617
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 1>raced to the door to let him in. Oh no,

618
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 1>She opened the door and looked up at the man

619
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>with a white long beard cloaked in red velvet. It Now,

620
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 1>some of the adults there at the house reported that

621
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Santa actually even picked up Katrina and embraced her in

622
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>a big hug before he set her down. Whether that's

623
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.519
<v Speaker 1>true or not, because there's some discrepancies in that, but

624
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>that is a report, okay, whether that's true or not.

625
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>After that, he reached into his pocket and pulled out

626
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>a nine millimeter handgun and shot her point blank in

627
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the face.

628
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 2>What yep, the little eight year old girl, a little

629
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 2>eight year old girl? Did that kill her?

630
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll touch on that.

631
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

632
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 1>I'll let you hang on to it.

633
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 2>That okay, Like, do you think this man is Santa?

634
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>It's Christmasy?

635
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:51.599
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, imagine being eight years old, oh Santa, Oh.

636
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:53.960
<v Speaker 2>You would just be like the most happiest thing in

637
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.759
<v Speaker 2>the whole wide world. Right, And then they pull out

638
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>a gun and we're gon shoot you.

639
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, I won't let you hang on

640
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>it too long. Katrina does live, but we'll touch on

641
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>on her in a bit. I could just see the

642
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>pain in your eyes.

643
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's there, It's really there.

644
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>So after shooting Katrina in the fucking face, Santa stepped

645
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 1>inside the house and began firing shots indiscriminately at anyone

646
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>that he saw. Amongst all the chaos and bullets, a

647
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>voice was heard, and the voice shouted and said it's Bruce.

648
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Everyone was ducking for cover and running from bullets whizzing

649
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>past them. The adults actually ended up occupying before Bruce

650
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 1>entered the closest part of the house to the front door,

651
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>while most of the children were located in the back,

652
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>with the exception of seventeen year old Michael Andre Ortiz,

653
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>who was upstairs playing video games. Now, this made the

654
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.559
<v Speaker 1>adults a shield for many of the kids, who thankfully

655
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 1>did manage to escape, but most of the adults, being

656
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>that said shield, weren't so lucky. Bruce shot them point

657
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 1>blank as a rush as they rushed to stop him. Sorry,

658
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 1>many of them even coming forward trying to get him

659
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>after being shot multiple times, and they kept coming forward

660
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>as they bled out on the floor. Oly, right, Oh.

661
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.840
<v Speaker 2>That's it's incredible. Actually, hey, what people can do.

662
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's in fucking sane.

663
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.559
<v Speaker 2>And well the end, they're literally doing that because they're

664
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 2>like they're protecting their kids, right.

665
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're protecting the their family around them, the adults,

666
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 1>their brothers or sisters, their mom, the dad, and the kids,

667
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.280
<v Speaker 1>their nieces, their nephews, their daughters, their sons in the

668
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 1>back room. Yeah, so they are doing whatever it takes

669
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 1>to try and stop Bruce bullets in their chest and

670
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:57.039
<v Speaker 1>they are still coming forward.

671
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. I always like find it's so interesting

672
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 2>because you feel like there's a crowd or a group

673
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:05.840
<v Speaker 2>or whatever that you think that you'd be able to

674
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 2>take down like one single gunman gunman, but like you're

675
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 2>startled and you're not ready, and it's just like this

676
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>environment that's I just I couldn't even imagine. I always

677
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 2>feel like they should be able to take him down,

678
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.119
<v Speaker 2>but you just you can't.

679
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Speaker 1>It's seems like they say, your best hope in a

680
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>situation like that is to rush the gunman because they

681
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.039
<v Speaker 1>can't shoot you in close range, especially if there's multiple

682
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:33.599
<v Speaker 1>people on top and you can disarm them. But like

683
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.840
<v Speaker 1>you say, you're caught off guard. Yeah, they had bullets.

684
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.960
<v Speaker 2>They've probably had some drinks and just having a good

685
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>old time.

686
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 1>And probably sitting down stumbling over furniture while he's just

687
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>sitting there unloading on you.

688
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, boom boom boom boom.

689
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you don't really stand much of a chance.

690
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>So others did hide and duck for cover, but Bruce

691
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:56.239
<v Speaker 1>would walk up to them and put a bullet in

692
00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 1>their head execution style as they desperately tried to save

693
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>their lives and the lives of their loved ones. Yeah,

694
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 1>like I said, indiscriminately, he just killed them. It was

695
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>literally a.

696
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Massacre and just no shit skipping.

697
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Not a single fuck given that day, not a single one,

698
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.119
<v Speaker 1>not by Bruce anyways.

699
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow. And why because he got a divorce pretty much,

700
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>but we'll touch on that too.

701
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>After unloading multiple rounds into the house, Bruce then turned

702
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.119
<v Speaker 1>to the large present that he carried with him into

703
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the home and began to unwrap it. Do you have

704
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>any predictions?

705
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Kiwi just came down the stairs and

706
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 2>wants the fuck to know. Well, Kiwi, I have a

707
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>small well I think I know, so I'm not gonna

708
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 2>say well.

709
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Inside was an eighteen gallon compressor that he had modified

710
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:55.119
<v Speaker 1>into a homemade flamethrower. He would use this device and

711
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.599
<v Speaker 1>he would begin shooting gas and flames all over the

712
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:03.039
<v Speaker 1>inside of the house, setting everything on fire before he

713
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>fled the scene.

714
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is fucking next level.

715
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fucking disgusting, Like holy.

716
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 2>See, actually think that he's gonna get away with this

717
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 2>or he doesn't give a shit? Maybe I we touch

718
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>on that too, Okay, sorry, I'm just it's all good.

719
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 1>He he fully intended on trying to get away with it.

720
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, good luck, Bud.

721
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, in total, nine people died from either gunfire

722
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 1>or flames, and three others were wounded. Katrina, the eight

723
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.480
<v Speaker 1>year old little girl, was shot in the face. She

724
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 1>stumbled outside of the house as Bruce made his way

725
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.559
<v Speaker 1>in and continued to massacre. So she was shot with

726
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:53.760
<v Speaker 1>severe but non life's threatening injuries. Thankfully, she happened to

727
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.320
<v Speaker 1>turn her head and it's thought that she was turning

728
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 1>back to be like Sata is here into the house.

729
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's so pure and innocent.

730
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Right, So she had slightly turned her head just at

731
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.800
<v Speaker 1>the right moment when she was shot, and she was

732
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.280
<v Speaker 1>shot through the jaw, which saved her life.

733
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Saved her life.

734
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Wow, There was also a sixteen year old girl who

735
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.840
<v Speaker 1>was shot and wounded in the back, but she managed

736
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>to survive, and a twenty year old woman who suffered

737
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.280
<v Speaker 1>a broken ankle who jumped out of the second floor

738
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>window home to escape.

739
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, I'd rather a freaking broken angle than shot.

740
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no kidding. The seventeen year old boy who I mentioned,

741
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 1>who was upstairs playing video games didn't get shot, but

742
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.199
<v Speaker 1>he did die in the fire because that fire raged

743
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>out of control. Oh my gosh, that fire soared approximately

744
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>forty to fifty feet in the air and took eighty

745
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>firefighters an hour and a half to extinguish the flames.

746
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Due to the intensity of the fire, wow. And also

747
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>due to that intensity of the fire, they had to

748
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:10.280
<v Speaker 1>identify victims with dental and medical records, which is fucking brutal.

749
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 1>You know, when you have to use fucking dental and

750
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.079
<v Speaker 1>medical records, it's fucking bad.

751
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, and let alone, like how brutal of a

752
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>scene that is for all those people too now that

753
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 2>are involved, right, that aren't like first responders, just traumatizing.

754
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then fucking Christmas Eve.

755
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>So how many people survive? Like did the kids survive?

756
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Are you getting to that any other kids survived. I

757
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>don't have a list of survivors, but I do have

758
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 1>a list of victims. And there was approximately twenty two

759
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 1>to twenty five people in the house.

760
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so there was eight people sorry that died,

761
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.760
<v Speaker 2>nine died, nine died.

762
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Nine died, and three were Yeah.

763
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So like I mean, not that there's any light

764
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:55.519
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the tunnel. I mean there's a

765
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.639
<v Speaker 2>little bit. But that's good that at least half of

766
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 2>them seem like survived. But it's most a kid. So

767
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of scary.

768
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

769
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:05.800
<v Speaker 2>So because what does that mean.

770
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, you basically have orphans. Now, that's what that means.

771
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Being orphaned by Santa on Christmas?

772
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Fucking wow, how do you go on to live your life?

773
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Imagine the rest of your Christmas is?

774
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it's traumatized. Yeah, there's no way you'd

775
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 2>want to even celebrate. Probably probably not.

776
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.159
<v Speaker 1>And even if you say you don't celebrate, say that

777
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>that's okay. You decide not to celebrate, how many people

778
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:36.119
<v Speaker 1>around you are fucking celebrating Christmas parties at work? Yeah,

779
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 1>just going to get groceries.

780
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.760
<v Speaker 2>The whole month of December really you're like triggered. Probably, Yeah,

781
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>that is.

782
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:45.719
<v Speaker 1>A whole fucked up like I can only imagine the

783
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.599
<v Speaker 1>issues you'd have to deal with for the rest of

784
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>your life.

785
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:54.599
<v Speaker 2>That's some of the parents survived, then, yes, I believe some,

786
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:59.039
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully they just took all the children, right is

787
00:40:59.119 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of the whole.

788
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure how that worked out in the end.

789
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, wow, so are.

790
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:07.360
<v Speaker 1>You ready to move on?

791
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

792
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, all these horrendous acts aside, The silver lining is

793
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.760
<v Speaker 1>they did know who had done this. It was Bruce.

794
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.519
<v Speaker 1>They didn't know why he would act and attack his

795
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 1>ex wife's family like this during a Christmas party, nonetheless

796
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>murdering those who called him like brother, uncle, whatever.

797
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Fucking crazy that's why he did.

798
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty much, that's that's it. They don't know why,

799
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:37.800
<v Speaker 1>but he did, fucking looney apparently. So police quickly set

800
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 1>out to find Bruce, and from a tip from a neighbor,

801
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 1>they knew what he was driving, which was good, good,

802
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>So they sent out for that vehicle right away.

803
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, imagine being the neighbor of this shit too.

804
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, which I should note and I didn't actually put

805
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 1>this in here, but I should say it I believe

806
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.639
<v Speaker 1>it was the twenty year old girl who broke her

807
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:57.880
<v Speaker 1>ankle actually made it to a neighbor's house to call

808
00:41:57.960 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 1>nine one one.

809
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Wow with a open an ankle.

810
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 1>That's impressive, right, Uh now, where am I here? Okay? Yes?

811
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:11.599
<v Speaker 1>So they quickly was set out for the car right However,

812
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 1>the investigation was like just beginning, but it didn't last

813
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 1>very long because Bruce's brother, Brad Parda, was returning home

814
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.639
<v Speaker 1>from a Christmas party and called the police because he

815
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.559
<v Speaker 1>found his brother Bruce on the couch of his home

816
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:29.519
<v Speaker 1>in a pool of.

817
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Blood dead what okay, I didn't know that part yep,

818
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 2>So he killed himself.

819
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Then, once police arrived on the scene, they found Bruce

820
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.599
<v Speaker 1>in civilian clothes and a single gun shop from a

821
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 1>nine millimeter handgun in his head. There was a nine

822
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 1>milimeter gun in his lap, and there was a second

823
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>nine millimeter on the floor. Police also found another bullet

824
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>hole in the ceiling.

825
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:01.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I feel about that? No, why well,

826
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:05.320
<v Speaker 2>because what a fucking asshole, right like you did this

827
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:09.079
<v Speaker 2>just horrific act and then you just go and take

828
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.880
<v Speaker 2>your own life and right don't even have to pay

829
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:12.679
<v Speaker 2>the consequences.

830
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Really, I know, like, fuck him.

831
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

832
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow, there's a little bit on that. We'll touch on

833
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:24.199
<v Speaker 1>it here in a minute. So comparisons from the bullets

834
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:27.079
<v Speaker 1>of Bruce's gun tested in forensic lab would confirm that

835
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 1>he was the one who fired the shots at the

836
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Rtega home and on himself.

837
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>No shit.

838
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.360
<v Speaker 1>They actually at first thought there might have been a

839
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.079
<v Speaker 1>second gunman, oh really in the scene where Bruce was

840
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 1>or had committed suicide, but forensics confirmed that it was

841
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>self inflicted. Okay, so they ruled out a second gunman.

842
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

843
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Bruce was also found to have several third degree burns

844
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:58.840
<v Speaker 1>on his body, like severe third degree burns, along with

845
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>melted poly esther fabric embedded in his skin.

846
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I almost wonder if he didn't realize how fucked up

847
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 2>he would have gotten from that, then eh, welles he

848
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 2>would have been in some serious pain then.

849
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like while shooting flames all over the Ortego home,

850
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.559
<v Speaker 1>he managed to get severely burnt like himself and melting

851
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 1>the cheap velvet suit into his own skin.

852
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 2>So I wonder if he didn't even realize that.

853
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, no, something got out of hand, whether he

854
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.679
<v Speaker 1>got too close to fire, whether fire he sprayed himself

855
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.320
<v Speaker 1>with gas and it caught up or just the intense

856
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.800
<v Speaker 1>heat inside like combusted his clothes something. It got out

857
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 1>of hand to the point where he fucking hurt himself

858
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.199
<v Speaker 1>where clearly he didn't mean to.

859
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, certain fabrics two don't do good under that, right,

860
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.079
<v Speaker 2>he needs to probably warm, like a firefighter suit or something.

861
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this this was just a cheap Santa suit.

862
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:55.480
<v Speaker 1>So now he also had seventeen thousand dollars in cash

863
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:57.760
<v Speaker 1>cling wrapped around his legs.

864
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, because he was flying to flee.

865
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Probably Now, investigators turned to search Bruce's car for more

866
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>evidence and clues and what the fuck was going on? Yeah,

867
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.760
<v Speaker 1>his car was he was driving a rental at the time.

868
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:16.599
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't driving his own car, so it was a

869
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.519
<v Speaker 1>rental car that he rented, and it was parked one

870
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:23.519
<v Speaker 1>block from his brother's house. Inside, investigators found the remaining

871
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 1>remnants of a Santa suit. And that Santa suit he

872
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 1>actually got custom made, event they realized eventually, oh wow,

873
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>to make sure he had room for all the fucking

874
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.280
<v Speaker 1>artillery he was packing in with him, the guns that

875
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 1>he had.

876
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh so this was totally premeditated.

877
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck, Yeah, and the car was actually rigged to

878
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.079
<v Speaker 1>explode with black powder if that Santa suit was removed

879
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:52.719
<v Speaker 1>from the vehicle.

880
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like because if someone came across it or

881
00:45:58.559 --> 00:45:59.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever in evidence or something.

882
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so if if someone were to remove that Santa suit,

883
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>it was rigged to blow. Wow.

884
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

885
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Now, because of this, there is some questioning around whether

886
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.920
<v Speaker 1>or not Bruce always intended to kill himself or if

887
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.679
<v Speaker 1>it was a last minute decision when things didn't go

888
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>as planned.

889
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's last minute.

890
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Because if he's gonna rig up the car to blow,

891
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 1>that seems like he's trying to hide evidence, right, Yeah, totally,

892
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.400
<v Speaker 1>So why would he just kill himself if he's like

893
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 1>why why is he trying to hide evidence if he's

894
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:37.639
<v Speaker 1>just offing himself anyways, So yeah, there's there's a few

895
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 1>discrepancies about it, and there's a few different like.

896
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, regardless, I'm surprised that he didn't just blow up

897
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the car. Really, that's interesting.

898
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's true. Well regardless, it's it was clear

899
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that once he parked the car, h he clearly changed

900
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 1>out of the suit, intending to blend in a little

901
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:58.840
<v Speaker 1>bit more be inconspicuous. Who's no longer in the suit.

902
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:03.519
<v Speaker 1>He was in civilian cloth. And they also recovered four

903
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:10.400
<v Speaker 1>thirteen round capacity nine millimeter handguns that were empty. So

904
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I just want to repeat that, four thirteen round capacity

905
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>nine millimeter handguns that were empty empty. Okay, so that

906
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 1>is a total of what is it thirteen rounds? What's

907
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:27.719
<v Speaker 1>thirteen times for? I didn't do the math. You're looking

908
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:28.840
<v Speaker 1>at over fifty bullets?

909
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like fifty I don't know. I don't want to say,

910
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:33.480
<v Speaker 2>because what I'm wrong.

911
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 1>I think it's fifty two.

912
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:39.440
<v Speaker 2>It's twenty six times too, Does that help? Fifty two?

913
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I said. Fifty two.

914
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, you are quicker than me.

915
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.760
<v Speaker 1>So he most likely emptied fifty two bullets into that

916
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:48.480
<v Speaker 1>family's home.

917
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 2>That is so many. Yeah, holy frig and they were

918
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I can't even like just sorry, just like hearing that

919
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.320
<v Speaker 2>go off, right, yeah, like being a neighbor or whatever

920
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and just hearing that many gunshots like just terrifying.

921
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 1>But this way, if you're firing one bullet a second,

922
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 1>that's bullets going off for a minute.

923
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Straight like that would just be terrifying.

924
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Right. It's actually very surprising that like no one got

925
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:17.519
<v Speaker 1>hurt in nearby houses.

926
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Actually, yeah, it is.

927
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:23.320
<v Speaker 1>There was at least two hundred rounds of ammunition found

928
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 1>with all the evidence they needed and collected, and investigators

929
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.199
<v Speaker 1>actually treated the car as a bomb threat because the

930
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.719
<v Speaker 1>way it was rigged. So police fired an incendiary round

931
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 1>or device into the vehicle and destroyed the vehicle.

932
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.559
<v Speaker 2>That's fair, yeah, yeah, And no one else needs to

933
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:40.280
<v Speaker 2>get injured.

934
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>From this exactly now. Inside Bruce's home in Montrose, California,

935
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 1>police had recovered five empty boxes of semiotic handgun semi

936
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:55.079
<v Speaker 1>semi automatic I can't talk tonight handguns, a tactical shotgun,

937
00:48:55.440 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>and a container for high octane fuel tank gasoline. Wonder

938
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.760
<v Speaker 1>what to use that for. They also found what would

939
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>be described as quote unquote a virtual bomb factory in

940
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 1>his home.

941
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

942
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 1>Whatever that specifically means, I don't know, but that is

943
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>a direct quote.

944
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.679
<v Speaker 2>So so he took this shit to the next level.

945
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yes, he fucking did. He was planning on this,

946
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 1>He knew what he was fucking doing. There's major premeditation.

947
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

948
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Investigators also found that Bruce had purchased a plane ticket

949
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.159
<v Speaker 1>to fly to Mexico. It didn't seem like he planned

950
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:38.800
<v Speaker 1>on killing himself with all the evidence on hand. First off,

951
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Bruce's getaway car was parked about five hundred feet from

952
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>also Scott Nord's house, who was Sylvia's divorce attorney. Police

953
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.800
<v Speaker 1>believed Bruce might have actually planned on also murdering Scott,

954
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>who resided over the proceedings of their divorce, who he

955
00:49:57.719 --> 00:49:59.199
<v Speaker 1>clearly did not like.

956
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's absolutely no reason.

957
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.039
<v Speaker 1>That's like, there was no reason to murder the r

958
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:08.320
<v Speaker 1>TA family. But yeah, good lord, well they they they

959
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.880
<v Speaker 1>think that was his plan afterwards. Okay, they think he

960
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.239
<v Speaker 1>was going to kill the attorney and flee the country

961
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:17.440
<v Speaker 1>with the seventeen thousand dollars cash he had strapped to

962
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.039
<v Speaker 1>his leg, go to Mexico, getting away, starting a new

963
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.199
<v Speaker 1>life before anyone ever catches on to who he was,

964
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:27.239
<v Speaker 1>or at least while they were scrambling to try. However,

965
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.840
<v Speaker 1>in the inferno of the home and his makeshift flamethrower,

966
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:35.039
<v Speaker 1>he fucking burned himself so bad that he needed medical attention.

967
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Stat Maybe he could survive the burns. Maybe, but the

968
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.440
<v Speaker 1>family even shouted his name. They knew who he was.

969
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Bruce knew that.

970
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, it's pretty it's probably pretty obvious to them.

971
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, so he's identified and he's severely injured.

972
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 1>Could he get away fast enough? Being that injured? Is

973
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>a hospital waiting for a man with third degree burns

974
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:02.280
<v Speaker 1>to come in right fucking now? To Bruce, the only

975
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:05.000
<v Speaker 1>way way out may have just been to end his life.

976
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.280
<v Speaker 1>He may have had a plan to escape, but in

977
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:09.280
<v Speaker 1>his condition.

978
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 2>To himself and he got way too injured.

979
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Now as for why, well, they believe his divorce

980
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:19.639
<v Speaker 1>took a toll on him more than many knew. He

981
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.920
<v Speaker 1>couldn't take it. His life was ruined. He even ended

982
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:26.039
<v Speaker 1>up getting fired and losing his job prior to all this,

983
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.480
<v Speaker 1>So no money, no way of paying what he owed.

984
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Bruce was required to pay Sylvia as part of the settlement,

985
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:39.760
<v Speaker 1>and according to court documents, Sylvia actually kept the wedding

986
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:45.199
<v Speaker 1>ring like I mentioned earlier, the family dog. In court declarations,

987
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Bruce complained that Sylvia was actually living with her parents,

988
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.840
<v Speaker 1>not paying rent, and had spent money lavishly on luxury cars,

989
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.920
<v Speaker 1>gambling trips to Vegas, meals that find restaurants, massages, and

990
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>even golf lessons. So he clearly had resentment over him

991
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.000
<v Speaker 1>how she was spending the money that he was having

992
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:02.559
<v Speaker 1>to pay her.

993
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but wasn't he not even paying her? Was or

994
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.280
<v Speaker 2>was this that was a different one that you'd said,

995
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:08.639
<v Speaker 2>where like the check bounced right?

996
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 1>No, this this was her.

997
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 2>So he wasn't even really giving her the money.

998
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:14.159
<v Speaker 1>I know.

999
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:16.039
<v Speaker 2>But yet he's still bussed.

1000
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but she's living like this and he has to

1001
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 1>pay her. So she's living good. Why does he have

1002
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 1>to pay her? That's what he's thinking in his eyes, right.

1003
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh so yeah, that so justifies what he did.

1004
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so dump It didn't matter though he lost

1005
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.280
<v Speaker 1>His wife left him, mostly for abandoning his son to

1006
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 1>start with. At least, whatever it all was, it was

1007
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.800
<v Speaker 1>too much, and he hated everyone in that house for

1008
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:50.599
<v Speaker 1>having part in what drove him to this place, even

1009
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 1>his own fucking mother, who was actually invited to the

1010
00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Ortega home that night. What she was invited to the

1011
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Christmas party because she was actually fairly close with Sylvia. Still,

1012
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Bruce wasn't invited.

1013
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.000
<v Speaker 2>And so that pissed him off her. The mom didn't

1014
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:11.159
<v Speaker 2>go th or and die right.

1015
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she didn't go. Actually, she actually ended up not

1016
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>feeling good that night and she didn't go. So little

1017
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:22.800
<v Speaker 1>did she know, but that literally saved her.

1018
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, how you stalled there? I was like,

1019
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:26.800
<v Speaker 2>did she go and he killed her?

1020
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 1>No, she didn't die, but he went there knowing she

1021
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:31.079
<v Speaker 1>was invited.

1022
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Right, but it doesn't seem like they had the

1023
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 2>best of relationships, probably anymore.

1024
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Right, No, it doesn't seem so. But that's as far

1025
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 1>as I'm concerned, all to Bruce's own fault.

1026
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So well, and then I just have to say, sorry,

1027
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Holy Frank for the fact that he like, like okay,

1028
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:56.000
<v Speaker 2>because he goes to his brother's house and does that

1029
00:53:56.079 --> 00:54:00.960
<v Speaker 2>on his couch. Like now he's also ruined, ruining his

1030
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:05.199
<v Speaker 2>brother's Christmas Eve completely, Like could you imagine like celebrating

1031
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:06.079
<v Speaker 2>coming home to that.

1032
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So my theory on that is he was going

1033
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to the attorney's place, parked there, and he's like I can't,

1034
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:16.559
<v Speaker 1>like I'm too fucking hurt sort of thing, And so

1035
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 1>he went somewhere else close by, which was his brother's place,

1036
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:23.719
<v Speaker 1>lived in the same neighborhood, maybe to try and patch

1037
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 1>himself up or something and realize was how bad he was, Yeah,

1038
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and then said fuck it, Wow, he should.

1039
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Have just gone back to his car and blown it up.

1040
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no kidding, but we wouldn't have gotten evidence that way,

1041
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:39.840
<v Speaker 1>so I'm glad he didn't.

1042
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:41.360
<v Speaker 2>That's true. That's true.

1043
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:43.920
<v Speaker 1>So the people who lost their lives that night in

1044
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Bruce's fucking tyranny are Sylvia, who is Bruce's ex wife.

1045
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:55.400
<v Speaker 1>She died from gunshot wounds, Alicia Ortega gunshot wound to

1046
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:02.639
<v Speaker 1>the abdomen, Joseph Ortega multiple gunshot wounds, Earls Ortega, Sherry Ortega,

1047
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:08.880
<v Speaker 1>James Ortega, Teresa Ortega, Alisa Ortiz, Michael Ortes, who was

1048
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:11.719
<v Speaker 1>the seventeen year old who died upstairs in the fire.

1049
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh jeez. And in total, there are fourteen children who

1050
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 1>lost one or both of their parents at Christmas Eve

1051
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:21.920
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eight.

1052
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.000
<v Speaker 2>That is just devastating.

1053
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's sick and.

1054
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:30.280
<v Speaker 2>For what really, Like that just doesn't make any.

1055
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Sense because he was petty. That's why you also have he.

1056
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Had to had some sort of mental like issues going on, right,

1057
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:43.440
<v Speaker 2>because like, uh, you don't go and do that.

1058
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:46.920
<v Speaker 1>The only speculation of mental issues that he had with

1059
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 1>mental health sorry mental.

1060
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Health, Yeah, yeah, I started.

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<v Speaker 1>That depression was the only thing that they know of.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no predocumentation of anything. He wasn't diagnosed with anything.

1063
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<v Speaker 1>They believe it was depression caused by the divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Because yeah, I'm just thinking, like the terrible cases

1065
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 2>of depression, like you don't go and kill nine people

1066
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Speaker 2>like that.

1067
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<v Speaker 1>That depression is not an excuse to fucking massacre a family.

1068
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:25.679
<v Speaker 2>A family just destroyed as family, like a whole extended family. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And numerous other people too along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, So that is the Caffina massacre.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, holy shit. Yeah, that's a wild, wild one.

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<v Speaker 1>Eh, Mary fucking Christmas Yeah, that holy shit brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the one that we have like for Christmas

1074
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<v Speaker 2>Week is not quite as heavy. It's a little more jolly,

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<v Speaker 2>would you say or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you guys will find out when

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<v Speaker 1>we do it, but I wouldn't describe it as.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not quite this bad though, right well, oh shit, okay.

1079
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.679
<v Speaker 1>No, it's I wouldn't say it's as bad, but it's definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Not fucking because yeah, this is horrific. Like even We've

1081
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:14.280
<v Speaker 2>covered a lot of murders and true crime cases and stuff,

1082
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<v Speaker 2>and this it's like one of the most horrific ones.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of the worst ones. It's not the

1084
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<v Speaker 1>worst one as far as I'm concerned, I think Junko

1085
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<v Speaker 1>for the yeah is still the worst.

1086
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:27.639
<v Speaker 2>But then just the amount of people that were affected

1087
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:32.440
<v Speaker 2>and stuff too right, and like wow, wow, did he

1088
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:35.159
<v Speaker 2>have to seriously wear a Santa suit? Like fuck them?

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00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fuck this dude. Wow, so that is the douche

1090
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:46.480
<v Speaker 1>canoe Bruce? Fuck him? But uh, rest in peace to

1091
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:50.159
<v Speaker 1>all those that yeah massacred, and we are sincerely sorry

1092
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.320
<v Speaker 1>to the Ortega family for you had to go through

1093
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:53.840
<v Speaker 1>that night. We can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot imagine. I hope that they have just the

1095
00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:59.079
<v Speaker 2>slightest bit of peace.

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00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and something I fully endorse this thought. Talking back,

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<v Speaker 1>uh sorry, throwing back to the ladies over on Morbid.

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<v Speaker 1>They said that they hope Bruce is burning, and so

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<v Speaker 1>do I, but I like what they said. They hope

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<v Speaker 1>that he is burning with a Santa suit melting on

1101
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>his skin and then getting another one put on, melting

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00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 1>in over and over. You know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck yeah, yeah, fuck you deserve some real shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget to check out all our social links down below,

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<v Speaker 1>including Patreon and of course our merch We have.

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<v Speaker 2>Merch now yeah Instagram, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, also down below on the podcast, So.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. Yeah, easy to find.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you guys have great holiday and we got more

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<v Speaker 1>coming up for this holiday.

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<v Speaker 2>We sure do, and until then, of course, stay wicked.