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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Path Went Chile for part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our series about the murder of Alonzo Brooks. Robin,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to catch everyone up on what we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about in our previous episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Well. This case was featured on the Netflix reboot of

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<v Speaker 2>Unsolved Mysteries in an episode titled No Ride Home. It

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<v Speaker 2>involves a mixed race man named Alonzo Brooks who was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three years old at the time and was living

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<v Speaker 2>in Kansas. He decided to accompany some friends of his

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<v Speaker 2>to a party in a very small rural town called

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<v Speaker 2>Lacene on April third, two thousand and four. Do to

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<v Speaker 2>a SER's and miscommunications, Alonso never did get a ride home.

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<v Speaker 2>His friends gradually left throughout the night, assuming that Alonzo

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<v Speaker 2>would get a ride with somebody else, but instead he

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<v Speaker 2>wound up vanishing without a trace. When his family went

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<v Speaker 2>to the area to search, they found Alonzo's hat in

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<v Speaker 2>his boots located in separate ditches at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the driveway near the farmhouse where the party had took

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<v Speaker 2>him place, so the instantly became concerned. Once the search

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<v Speaker 2>was launched for him, they were unable to find anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but then when Alonzo's family did their own search twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seven days after he originally disappeared. They wound up discovering

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<v Speaker 2>his body in a creek which was very close to

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<v Speaker 2>the farmhouse, and this creek had already been searched before

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<v Speaker 2>by an underwater rescue and recovery team who were absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>certain that if Alonzo had been there the entire time,

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<v Speaker 2>they would have found him. So this led to speculation

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<v Speaker 2>that he may have been planted there at a later time,

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<v Speaker 2>and that perhaps his body was kept in the freezer

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple weeks because he had very little sign

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<v Speaker 2>of decomposition, He did not have any noticeable injuries. He

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<v Speaker 2>only appeared to have decomposition on his neck, so as

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<v Speaker 2>a result, the original medical examiner was unable to determine

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<v Speaker 2>his exact cause of death, so it was officially listed

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<v Speaker 2>as undetermined. It was featured on Unsolved Mysteries in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>and by that point the FBI and the Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Justice had gotten involved started to investigate it as a

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<v Speaker 2>potential hate crime because this was a predominantly white air

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<v Speaker 2>area and there were rumors that Alonzo had gotten into

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<v Speaker 2>a fight at the party, that people had used a

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<v Speaker 2>racial slur in his presence, or that he had been

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<v Speaker 2>hitting on a white girl, but none of these rumors

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<v Speaker 2>were actually confirmed. After the Unsold Mysteries episode aired, the

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<v Speaker 2>investigation got new tips, so they decided to exume Alonzo's

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<v Speaker 2>body and perform a new autopsy. And while details are

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<v Speaker 2>vague and very secretive, the FBI did confirm that they

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<v Speaker 2>found new evidence that conclusively proves, beyond a shadow of

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<v Speaker 2>a doubt, that Alonzo was the victim of a homicide.

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<v Speaker 2>So his death was officially reclassified and is being investigated

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<v Speaker 2>at as a murder. But it's been a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years now they're having any new developments in quite some times,

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<v Speaker 2>so at this particular moment, Alonzo's murder is still officially unsolved.

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<v Speaker 2>So honestly, before Alonzo's death was reclassified as a homicide,

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<v Speaker 2>I had mixed feelings about the case following my initial

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<v Speaker 2>viewing of the Unsaw Mysteries episode. On one hand, I

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<v Speaker 2>seriously doubted that this was a simple case of an

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<v Speaker 2>intoxicated man wandering away from a party and dying of exposure.

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<v Speaker 2>It did make a whole lot of sense to me

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<v Speaker 2>that Alonzo would leave the farmhouse walk to the end

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<v Speaker 2>of a long driveway, remove both of his boots, toss

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<v Speaker 2>them each into separate ditches, and then walk back onto

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<v Speaker 2>the property in the opposite direction towards Middle Creek. Admittedly,

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<v Speaker 2>people can do incredibly strange and a logical things when

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<v Speaker 2>they're drunk, but I had a hard time believing that

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<v Speaker 2>his body could have been missed at that location for

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<v Speaker 2>nearly an entire month. Of course, we covered a number

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<v Speaker 2>of other cases where people of God missing in a

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<v Speaker 2>rural or wilderness area and the remains were mist in

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<v Speaker 2>the initial search effort, only for them to be discovered

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<v Speaker 2>in the same area months or even years later. If

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<v Speaker 2>Alonzo's search effort had only been conducted by a small

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<v Speaker 2>town police department who were inexperienced at this sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I could give them the benefit of the doubt that

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<v Speaker 2>they missed his body. But this particular search involved the KBI,

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI, and an underwater rescue and recovery team who

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<v Speaker 2>were specifically trained at this sort of thing. Members of

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<v Speaker 2>this team were even interviewed on UNSAWD mysteries, and they

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<v Speaker 2>seemed pretty certain that if Alonzo had been on the

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<v Speaker 2>creek bank the entire time, they would have found him.

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<v Speaker 2>While they certainly could be capable of making mistakes. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it says something that when Alonzo's family, who were

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<v Speaker 2>not trained at this sort of thing, performed their own

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<v Speaker 2>search of the property, they came across his body within

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<v Speaker 2>half an hour. But while the Unsolved Mysteries episode left

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<v Speaker 2>me with the impression that something strange occurred and that

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<v Speaker 2>Alonzo may have been the victim of foul play, my

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<v Speaker 2>biggest issue is that I cannot figure out how he

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<v Speaker 2>was killed or why his body would be concealed for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven days and planted near the creek.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so super bizarre. The idea of this body not

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<v Speaker 3>being there for twenty seven days, like you talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>could it have been frozen? Was it simply just overlooked?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they described having to cut back brush before

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<v Speaker 3>they found it. Is it possible that it really was

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<v Speaker 3>just hidden really well, and maybe an animal had pulled

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<v Speaker 3>it a few feet which made it more exposed. But

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<v Speaker 3>remember when you first were describing the day that the

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<v Speaker 3>family went back the first day after he was missing,

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<v Speaker 3>and they went back to look around this area and

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<v Speaker 3>found his boots in his hat. You remember that guy

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<v Speaker 3>that was on the ATV and ran them off and

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<v Speaker 3>told him to get off to the property. If there

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<v Speaker 3>had been a party at my house and you said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>my son is missing, our best friend is missing. He

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<v Speaker 3>was here last night, I would I'd meet you with

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<v Speaker 3>grace and compassionate and be like, oh man, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen anything. If I do, I'll make sure

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<v Speaker 3>you know to call you. Can I get your number.

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<v Speaker 3>But there was like an anger and a protection of

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<v Speaker 3>that property when it had been so open to people

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<v Speaker 3>just the evening before, So that's quite suspicious as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think it's ever been conclusively established who

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<v Speaker 2>the guy on the ATV was, because we mentioned in

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<v Speaker 2>our last episode that this house was a rental and

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<v Speaker 2>that it was rented by four young males in their twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if they were there at that

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<v Speaker 2>particular point. I don't know if the guy on the

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<v Speaker 2>ATV was one of the four young males, but he

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he didn't take very kindly. I know this was

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<v Speaker 2>an area not known for the best race relations, and

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<v Speaker 2>that at least one of Alonzo's friends in that day

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<v Speaker 2>was black, so maybe that's why I had a problem

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<v Speaker 2>with him being on the property. But It's easy to

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<v Speaker 2>assume that if something ne faris happened to Alonzo, that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some sort of cover up was taking place, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why these people did not want his friends anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>near the property.

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<v Speaker 1>And so his body shows up on those banks. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a question of whether or not it was frozen, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's minimal decomposition. Is it possible that pretend somewhere on

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<v Speaker 1>this property he was held for like X amount of

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<v Speaker 1>days and then say he'd only been dead for a

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<v Speaker 1>short while and his body was dumped at a later date,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than him being killed right away and being put

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<v Speaker 1>into a freezer and then disposed of the creek right

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<v Speaker 1>before the search party.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's possible, because I don't think anyone has

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<v Speaker 2>ever determined Alonzo's exact time of death. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that doctor Mitchell, the original medical examiner, believed he

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<v Speaker 2>had been at the creek the entire time, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is possible that he was alive or kept in captivity

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of days before his body was planted

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<v Speaker 2>at a later time. I know we talked about in

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<v Speaker 2>our last episode the Kurt Sava case for Unsolved Mysteries,

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<v Speaker 2>where there was always speculation that he got alcohol poison

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<v Speaker 2>and he was kept in the basement of the duplex

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<v Speaker 2>where the party attended was being held in hopes that

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<v Speaker 2>he would nurse back to health. But then he died

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why they decided to dump his body in ravine. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for all we know, Alonzo still could have been alive

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<v Speaker 2>and being kept somewhere during the time period his friends

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<v Speaker 2>were searching the property.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let me play Devil's advocate with that. Remember when

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<v Speaker 3>his bodi's found, there's no bruising, there's no sign of

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<v Speaker 3>any kind of damage to the body. If you were

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<v Speaker 3>a sober grown man and you're being held against your will,

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<v Speaker 3>don't you think there would have had to have been

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of restraints used against you, some type of

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<v Speaker 3>physical altercation to get you into submission, to be quiet,

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<v Speaker 3>to be held. Don't you think he would have fought

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<v Speaker 3>physically to get out of a confined space. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>you might have seen signs of that on his body

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<v Speaker 3>if he truly was being held against his will. And remember,

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<v Speaker 3>he's wearing the same clothes he was wearing the night

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<v Speaker 3>of the party.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if they used a paralytic that they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know to test for because they just would probably do

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<v Speaker 1>a standard panel for toxicology, would they not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they haven't really released many details about what they

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<v Speaker 2>found during the toxicolity you've results, so I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 2>think that if he was given something like a paralytic

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<v Speaker 2>that it could have been missed during the original autopsy.

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<v Speaker 1>So the theory pushed forward by Alonzo's family is that

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<v Speaker 1>when Lynn County Sheriff Marvin Stitz granted them permission to

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<v Speaker 1>search the property, word got back to the people who

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<v Speaker 1>were responsible for Alonzo's death, so they responded by placing

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<v Speaker 1>his body on the creek bank for the family to find.

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<v Speaker 1>But where did they keep the body for nearly a month?

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<v Speaker 1>The mild level of decomposition on Alonzo's body really seems

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<v Speaker 1>to go against the idea that he was lying out

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<v Speaker 1>in the elements for weeks, and since he was carrying

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<v Speaker 1>personal possessions which should not have noticeable water damage, it's

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<v Speaker 1>unlikely that he was submerged in Middle Creek. This is

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<v Speaker 1>why a theory has spread around that the body was

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<v Speaker 1>kept inside a freezer for a few weeks, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the reasons this rumor caught buyer is

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<v Speaker 1>because a prominent family from the area who were suspected

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<v Speaker 1>of being complicit in Alonzo's death apparently owned a restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>with a large freezer. All that being said, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be incredibly risky and brazen to store a body of

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<v Speaker 1>a murder victim at your place of business. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>why even hold onto the body to begin with. Lacine

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<v Speaker 1>is surrounded by a lot of open land, so there

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<v Speaker 1>would be plenty of spots to bury a victim and

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<v Speaker 1>ensure he would never be found. But then perhaps the

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<v Speaker 1>responsible parties felt that if Alonzo continued to remain a

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<v Speaker 1>missing person, people would keep returning to the area to

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<v Speaker 1>keep searching for him for years to come, so they

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<v Speaker 1>felt they should leave them something to find.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, I hate to break this to you guys

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<v Speaker 3>because you're from Canada, but US Americans are food loving mongrels,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is no surprise if you walk into someone's

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<v Speaker 3>house and they have a large, deep freezer, especially if

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<v Speaker 3>you live in an area like we do, where hunting, fishing,

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<v Speaker 3>those kinds of things are common. You'll have someone who has,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a deer head sitting in their freezer forever,

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<v Speaker 3>or even in the freezer. Right, So I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>think a deep freezer. It would be kind of normal

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<v Speaker 3>to think that you have a deep freezer. My poor

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<v Speaker 3>mama still hoards freezer food, like she's feeding twenty people

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just her and my dad. So it's this

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<v Speaker 3>like nine foot deep freezer. I'm like, what are you?

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<v Speaker 3>What's in there? You know? And there's a lock on it,

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<v Speaker 3>which makes it really fun. But yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>the place that they were rinning could have easily had

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<v Speaker 3>down where another kid lives, could have had a deep freezer.

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<v Speaker 3>So it would not surprise me if it was more

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<v Speaker 3>common than not in this rural area for families to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm thinking that if of this family that was

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<v Speaker 2>of the residents or at a farm, that's probably more

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<v Speaker 2>believable than literally putting a Lonzo's body at the restaurant

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<v Speaker 2>where people are going in and out all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, until the most recent autopsy, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>not appear to be any noticeable injuries on Alonzo's body

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<v Speaker 2>or anything to indicate his exact cause of death. Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Eric Mitchell, the forensic pathologist who perform the original autopsy,

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledged that he could not rule out the possibility of

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<v Speaker 2>drowning or strangulation, but he did seem to feel that

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence supported the idea that Alonzo's body had been

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<v Speaker 2>lying on the creek bank the entire time he was missing.

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<v Speaker 2>But while Mitchell was Douglas County Corner at the time

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<v Speaker 2>he examined Alonzo, he does have a pretty controversial background.

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<v Speaker 2>Before he relocated to Kansas, Mitchell had worked in upstate

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<v Speaker 2>New York as the Onondaga County Medical Examiner, but resigned

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<v Speaker 2>from his position in nineteen ninety three over allegations of

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<v Speaker 2>his conduct as His offenses included harvesting organs from deceased

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<v Speaker 2>victims without the consent of their families and improperly storing

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<v Speaker 2>skeletons and body parts inside his office. Mitchell has also

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<v Speaker 2>been at the center of a wrongful conviction case from

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<v Speaker 2>Douglas County, as a daycare worker named Carroty Buckhorn was

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<v Speaker 2>charging convicted of second degree murder for her ledged role

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<v Speaker 2>in the death of a nine month old infant named

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<v Speaker 2>Oliver Ortise. The conviction was made possible by doctor Mitchell's

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<v Speaker 2>testimony as he believed that Oliver had a skull fracture

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<v Speaker 2>which was caused by his head being stepped on. But

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<v Speaker 2>it would later come out that the boy actually died

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<v Speaker 2>from congenital heart disease and there was never any foul play,

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<v Speaker 2>So Bockcorn's conviction was overturned and she was released from

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<v Speaker 2>prison after serving four years for a crime that never happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So this obviously shows that Mitchell has some credibility issues

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<v Speaker 2>and that he could have made mistakes during his autopsy

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<v Speaker 2>and Alonso and missed something which showed that he was

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<v Speaker 2>the victim of a homicide. All we know about the

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<v Speaker 2>second autopsy from the Armed Forces medical Examiner is that

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<v Speaker 2>Alonzo had injuries which were quote unquote inconsistent with normal

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<v Speaker 2>patterns of decomposition. If I had to make an educated guess,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Alonso may have had injuries to his neck,

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<v Speaker 2>as Mitchell even acknowledged that he couldn't rule out the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of strangulation. A Lonzo's body was found, the soft

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<v Speaker 2>tissues of his neck were gone due to decomposition and

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<v Speaker 2>damage from animals and insects. If Alonzo had some noticeable

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<v Speaker 2>wounds on his neck when his body was placed on

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<v Speaker 2>the creek bank. Then it's only natural that this would

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<v Speaker 2>be the first spot that scavengers feasted upon, So I

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<v Speaker 2>would not be surprised if the second autopsy found evidence

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<v Speaker 2>of damage to Alonzo's neck. I don't know how true

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<v Speaker 2>this is, but it's worth mentioning that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>many unconfirmed rumors which is spread around the community is

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<v Speaker 2>that a shot collar or nearly used to train dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>was placed around Alonzo's neck in order to torture him.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, that's horrible to think about, and that

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<v Speaker 3>could lead to what Jules was saying, where you have

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<v Speaker 3>that he was maybe held against his will. But also,

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<v Speaker 3>remember we talked about on the last episode, it's also

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<v Speaker 3>possible that the FBI uncovered information that told them more

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<v Speaker 3>that said, hey, go look at the back right of

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<v Speaker 3>his head, Go look behind his ear, go look at

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<v Speaker 3>at his elbow, and this is what happened. And you

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<v Speaker 3>could have someone who had given such specific information that

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<v Speaker 3>a relook at the body then showed a very different

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<v Speaker 3>story because they had very specific information, and or, like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, you simply have someone who was caught with

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<v Speaker 3>misconduct and making you know, really wrong claims that had

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<v Speaker 3>some big consequences relocate to this tiny town and he's

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<v Speaker 3>just not as attentive as he should be and or

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<v Speaker 3>makes assumptions to quickly clear his desk off, or he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have the information that would have allowed him to

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<v Speaker 3>find this damage as well. So tons of options of

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<v Speaker 3>what could have really happened when you look at the

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<v Speaker 3>discrepancies in the autopsies.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, theoretically, if the rumors are true that this

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<v Speaker 2>was a hate crime, then one possible manner of death

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<v Speaker 2>could have been hanging, and maybe someone like lynch Alonzo

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<v Speaker 2>or hung him from somewhere or broke his neck. And

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<v Speaker 2>when they performed this new autopsy, that's when they discovered

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that this might have take place. And all this

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<v Speaker 2>evidence might have been concealed because of the decomposition and

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<v Speaker 2>because the animals feasted upon his neck and maybe concealed

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<v Speaker 2>any injuries he might have received.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes me shudder, and it makes me think of

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Warren for me too.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought of Keith too.

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<v Speaker 1>Another potential issue with the foul play theory is the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that Alonso could have been killed at the party

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<v Speaker 1>in the presence of several witnesses, and they have all

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<v Speaker 1>somehow managed to keep their mouths shut about it for

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<v Speaker 1>over twenty years. Of course, there have always been allegations

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<v Speaker 1>that this cover up was made possible because the responsible

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<v Speaker 1>parties had ties to local law enforcement, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure that's an entirely fair assessment. The Lynn County sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>at the time was Marvin Steitz, who has since passed

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<v Speaker 1>away and is no longer a round to comment on

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<v Speaker 1>the case, but the Brooks family did not have many

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<v Speaker 1>flattering things to say about him on the Unsolved Mysteries episode.

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<v Speaker 1>On the one hand, he did not seem to take

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<v Speaker 1>Alonzo's disappearance all that seriously at first, and if he

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<v Speaker 1>really did try to imply that Alonzo left the party,

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<v Speaker 1>took off his boots, and attempted to walk back to

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<v Speaker 1>his home forty seven miles away, then yes, that's pretty ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, Stites did contact the KBI

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<v Speaker 1>for assistance only four days after Alonzo went missing, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course the rumors about a potential hate crime soon

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<v Speaker 1>led to the FBI becoming involved in the investigation. If

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<v Speaker 1>Stites was attempting to orchestra to cover up to protect

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<v Speaker 1>Alonzo's killers. I have my doubts that he would bring

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<v Speaker 1>in all these outside law enforcement agencies so quickly. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also worth noting that, even though Lcine is a very

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<v Speaker 1>small town, Alonzo's death was not the only high profile

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<v Speaker 1>criminal case to occur during that time period. Notorious serial

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<v Speaker 1>killer John Edward Robinson happened to live on a farm

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<v Speaker 1>near Lycine and was arrested there only four years earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in June two thousand. Robinson is currently serving multiple life

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<v Speaker 1>sentences in prison and was responsible for the murders of

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<v Speaker 1>at least eight victims, two of whom were found inside

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<v Speaker 1>some chemical drums on his property. Marvin Stites was still

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<v Speaker 1>Lynn County Sheriff at that time, so he was no

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<v Speaker 1>stranger to bringing in outside agencies like the KBI and

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI when the investigation was too large for him

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<v Speaker 1>to handle. It's yet to be conclusively proven if Alonzo's

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<v Speaker 1>death was actually a hate crime, but even if it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 1>these rumors have helped ensure that the FBI is continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to take the case seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>And let's assume that Marvin Stites was covering for somebody

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<v Speaker 3>I guarantee you the moment that those external agencies came in,

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<v Speaker 3>they were not covering for anyone, and so they have

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to gain by covering up a violent crime. They

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<v Speaker 3>have nothing to gain by protecting law enforcement that might

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<v Speaker 3>be crooked. And so I think that that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>shatters that myth and that that idea behind it case.

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<v Speaker 3>But it does make sense when the family's frustrated in

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<v Speaker 3>and angry at stites. First of all, think about the

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<v Speaker 3>emotional component. I'm telling you my son's missing. You didn't react.

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<v Speaker 3>What if you had reacted sooner, would he still be alive.

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<v Speaker 3>There's that kind of emotional weight that comes with an

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<v Speaker 3>investigation like this. And also when you don't have an

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<v Speaker 3>offender to blame, you start to blame everyone else. When

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<v Speaker 3>I would work with cold case families, they would say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I hate to say it, but at some

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<v Speaker 3>point I blamed my son or I blamed my husband.

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<v Speaker 3>Why were they out that late? Why did they go

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<v Speaker 3>to the party. Then I blamed myself. Why did I

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<v Speaker 3>let them go to that party? Why did I not

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<v Speaker 3>shut it down? Why didn't I say yes, let's go

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<v Speaker 3>to dinner instead? I blamed law enforcement. I blamed the friends.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you don't have a target to say I

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<v Speaker 3>will now hold you accountable and you're responsible for choosing

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<v Speaker 3>to take the life of my son, then all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, I need to direct that anger towards someone

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<v Speaker 3>to have a fair narrative. And so oftentimes, if law

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<v Speaker 3>enforcement has not solved the case, they become the person

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<v Speaker 3>held responsible for this being an unsolved murder, and it

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<v Speaker 3>would likely feel that they don't care enough, or they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't try hard enough, or it would have been solved.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's I think a very natural reaction for a

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<v Speaker 3>family to have, even if law enforcement had been working

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<v Speaker 3>very hard to solve this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would make sense because we just brought up

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility that maybe Alonso was not killed on the

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<v Speaker 2>same night he went missing, that he was being held

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<v Speaker 2>in captivity and was alive for a few days, in

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<v Speaker 2>which case, perhaps if Sheriff Stites had taken his disappearance

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<v Speaker 2>more seriously at first, they might have been able to

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<v Speaker 2>find him or rescue him while he was still alive.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can imagine like his family totally second guessing

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<v Speaker 2>everything all these years later because it's still unsolved and

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<v Speaker 2>Sheriff's Sites has become the target of some of the wrath.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that many of Alonzo's friends and family members

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<v Speaker 2>have always believed that racism played a role in his death,

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<v Speaker 2>as we have how the account from his brother Billy

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<v Speaker 2>and sister in law Cindy that people were looking at

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<v Speaker 2>them very strangely while they were searching through Lacene. During

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<v Speaker 2>the Unsolve Mysteries episode, there was a vivid moment when

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<v Speaker 2>Alonzo's friend Rodney English, who also happens to be black,

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<v Speaker 2>revisits the spot where he found Alonzo's hat and boots

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<v Speaker 2>and then tells the camera crew that he needs to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of there because he doesn't feel safe at all. Rodney,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as Alonzo's family, have always felt a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of resentment towards Alonzo's friends for leaving him behind at

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<v Speaker 2>the party. Since all these other friends were white, I

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<v Speaker 2>get the sense that Rodney believes they severely underestimated the

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<v Speaker 2>racial tension surrounding Alonzo's presence that night and should never

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<v Speaker 2>have left him alone in such a potentially hostile environment.

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<v Speaker 2>And while Alonzo is known for being a very sweet

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<v Speaker 2>and easygoing guy who got along with everyone, it also

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like he would show no hesitation to confront someone

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<v Speaker 2>if they used a Rachel slur in his presence. But

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<v Speaker 2>if Alonzo was murdered at the farmhouse, how would these

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<v Speaker 2>events have played out?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, to defend the friends, I think there's a naivity.

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<v Speaker 3>There's you're pretty naive when you are someone who doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>understand what it's like to be the minority. So if

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Alonzo and I are friends and Alonzo's just

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<v Speaker 3>my best buddy, you know, people say like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't see the fact that he's not like me racially, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't see that this is my friend who's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a black man. It's just Alonzo, right, And

421
00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:29.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm just justin like, it just is what it is.

422
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.039
<v Speaker 3>But as kids and when they're not paying attention to

423
00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:40.079
<v Speaker 3>the community, the circumstances, how other people react. Not everybody

424
00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:43.160
<v Speaker 3>has the same mentality or relationship with Alonzo like these

425
00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:46.200
<v Speaker 3>boys did. But I truly believe that those boys were

426
00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:50.240
<v Speaker 3>just ignorant to the fact that when Alonzo leaves the

427
00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:53.640
<v Speaker 3>safety of that group and he's a minority at a

428
00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:57.839
<v Speaker 3>party where it's not a welcoming group necessarily, or there's

429
00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:02.720
<v Speaker 3>these underlying currents of racist tendencies that the friends don't

430
00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.720
<v Speaker 3>pick up on that Alonzo could have, and then he's

431
00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:10.680
<v Speaker 3>left in this situation regardless with these people who don't

432
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.319
<v Speaker 3>have his best interests at heart. But I truly believe

433
00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:17.200
<v Speaker 3>his poor friends were just like, yeah, it's Alonzo, Like

434
00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:20.039
<v Speaker 3>we didn't even we weren't even thinking that these are

435
00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:21.960
<v Speaker 3>some young kids going to a party to drink and

436
00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:26.599
<v Speaker 3>being silly and pretty flippant with who's going where and when.

437
00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:28.680
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know, I just have a lot of

438
00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:31.240
<v Speaker 3>sympathy for the fact that these are young kids who

439
00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:35.279
<v Speaker 3>didn't pay attention to things that they very likely should have.

440
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:38.839
<v Speaker 1>They got a lot of criticism too, Like I can

441
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:41.359
<v Speaker 1>think back to parties that I went when I was

442
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.279
<v Speaker 1>in high school or my early twenties, and like you'd

443
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.359
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, ash when you're like, oh, I'm fine, you

444
00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:49.559
<v Speaker 1>just leave me behind, where either I was the person

445
00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:52.319
<v Speaker 1>who said that or I ended up leaving because friends

446
00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.599
<v Speaker 1>were like, no, no, we want to stay. And you

447
00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.720
<v Speaker 1>just have this presumption that everything is going to work

448
00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.279
<v Speaker 1>out okay, because you always think that it was at

449
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.519
<v Speaker 1>that age until it doesn't. And then, like you said,

450
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.640
<v Speaker 1>these kids, they've just got all of this scrutiny, and

451
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:09.880
<v Speaker 1>they're getting criticized by so many people. But I do

452
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.119
<v Speaker 1>think it was a brave thing to go on Unsolved

453
00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Mysteries and to put yourself out there, and I do

454
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.200
<v Speaker 1>think that it shows that they do care about Alonzo.

455
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.359
<v Speaker 1>And although his one friend may have a story that

456
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.839
<v Speaker 1>changes in places, I think that, like Robin had mentioned earlier,

457
00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:26.400
<v Speaker 1>it could be that he was driving drunk that night.

458
00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Just because he may come off as looking deceptive doesn't

459
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.359
<v Speaker 1>mean that he's being deceptive because he did something to Alonzo.

460
00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:37.160
<v Speaker 2>And I do think they do seem genuinely remorseful and

461
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.559
<v Speaker 2>distraught that Alonzo died under their watch during their Unsolved

462
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Mysteries interviews, and that it still haunts them to this day.

463
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Be shame and guilt and blame and all kinds of

464
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.720
<v Speaker 3>stuff that they hold on themselves. So and like I said,

465
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:56.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, at forty one, looking back at assumptions, attitudes,

466
00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.960
<v Speaker 3>ignorance that I had when I was twenty twenty five,

467
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.680
<v Speaker 3>five twenty eight, I'm a very different person now and

468
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.000
<v Speaker 3>I understand the world more now, but back then you don't.

469
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.680
<v Speaker 3>And so I just see this group of friends who

470
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:11.880
<v Speaker 3>said let's be stupid and go to this party that

471
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.079
<v Speaker 3>they thought was going to be a tiny party. It

472
00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:16.480
<v Speaker 3>ends up kind of falling apart and everybody ends up

473
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:19.920
<v Speaker 3>almost miscommunicating what's going on. And I just think it's

474
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.839
<v Speaker 3>a sad, sad situation. And you have tons of victims

475
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.440
<v Speaker 3>in this case, because no one's life when your best

476
00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:28.640
<v Speaker 3>friend goes missing and then this found murdered, no one's

477
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:30.559
<v Speaker 3>life is the same after that. The guilt you would

478
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:33.599
<v Speaker 3>carry for and in feelings you would carry for his

479
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.880
<v Speaker 3>poor parents and his siblings and those kinds of things,

480
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:39.920
<v Speaker 3>even though you aren't to blame, that would change the

481
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:41.279
<v Speaker 3>whole trajectory of your life.

482
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:46.880
<v Speaker 1>While The Unsolved Mysteries episode features interviews with three of

483
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Alonzo's friends who attended the party with him, Justin Spragge,

484
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Thun, and Tyler Bogard, though we know there were

485
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:56.880
<v Speaker 1>other friends who went with them and did not appear

486
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>on camera. The story goes that they decided to the

487
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.200
<v Speaker 1>night celebrating because one of these friends was leaving to

488
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.839
<v Speaker 1>join the military. But what's frustrating is that it's never

489
00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:10.200
<v Speaker 1>been made clear why they decided to leave Gardner and

490
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:13.759
<v Speaker 1>travel to this particular party. In the scene, since Alonzo

491
00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>was described as being more of a homebody. His family

492
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.880
<v Speaker 1>was a bit surprised that he even wanted to go

493
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.880
<v Speaker 1>to the party, so I get the impression that this

494
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>was not his idea and he just wanted to tag

495
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 1>along with his other friends. While their identities have never

496
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:32.759
<v Speaker 1>been made public, this farmhouse was being rented by four

497
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:35.519
<v Speaker 1>young males at the time, but it sounds like they

498
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>weren't really living there per se, and just decided to

499
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.440
<v Speaker 1>use the location as a party house, which wound up

500
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.400
<v Speaker 1>attracting people from outside the area since it was an

501
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.759
<v Speaker 1>ideal spot for underage drinking. While Alonzo was twenty three,

502
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.240
<v Speaker 1>he was actually a few years older than most of

503
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>his other friends from this group, who were technically not

504
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>the legal drinking age yet. I've read that one of

505
00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Alonzo's friends had a loose connection with one of the

506
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.839
<v Speaker 1>four individuals renting the farmhouse, and they had once gone

507
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 1>to the same high school together, so this might explain

508
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>how they found out about this party to begin with,

509
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>even though it took place nearly fifty miles away from

510
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>where they lived. Now, he goes without saying that Alonzo's

511
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>friends have received a lot of criticism for leaving him

512
00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>behind at a party, and some online sloops have gone

513
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.160
<v Speaker 1>so far as to accuse them of being responsible or

514
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>being involved in Alonso's death. At the very least, there's

515
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:33.200
<v Speaker 1>been suspicion that these friends have never told the whole

516
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.839
<v Speaker 1>truth about what actually happened. But it's worth noting that

517
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:42.119
<v Speaker 1>they were extensively questioned and investigated by law enforcement who've

518
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.160
<v Speaker 1>never publicly stated that they believe any of them are

519
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>withholding information. And while I would certainly find them guilty

520
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:54.119
<v Speaker 1>of being young, drunken, irresponsible, I would stop short of

521
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 1>accusing them of being complicit in a murder.

522
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 3>Imagine being question by the police when you went to

523
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 3>this party, Like what if there was weed at the party?

524
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Now?

525
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 3>What if they were going out to meet some girls

526
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 3>and the girls ended up being underage? Or what if

527
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.160
<v Speaker 3>there had been something that was nefarious and not legal.

528
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:14.480
<v Speaker 3>But you're just stupid and young, and you're going, oh

529
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:18.119
<v Speaker 3>my gosh, they're questioning me about my missing friend, and

530
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:19.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to just kind of be tight lipped and

531
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.880
<v Speaker 3>try to answer questions about Alonzo specifically and kind of

532
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.079
<v Speaker 3>elude other information, like I was drinking and driving. I'm

533
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 3>not going to tell them that I had smoked some weed.

534
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to tell them that. And I think

535
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 3>at some point, you know, investigators down there like, listen,

536
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 3>I do not care about anything else right this second.

537
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't care if you were high as a kite.

538
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't care if you were doing cocaine. I don't

539
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 3>care if you were selling drugs. I don't care if

540
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 3>you were having sex. I don't care. The only thing

541
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm asking you for is tell me the truth about Alonzo.

542
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:50.559
<v Speaker 3>And I guarantee you by the time they get there,

543
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.400
<v Speaker 3>with these young, scared kids, they're able to get the

544
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.440
<v Speaker 3>best version of what they can remember that night about

545
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:01.799
<v Speaker 3>what happened to Alonzo. So did they come on off suspicious?

546
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.519
<v Speaker 3>Did their stories change? I bet their stories did change.

547
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 3>I bet they did evolve because they got more comfortable,

548
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.039
<v Speaker 3>they remembered more things. You know, there's a chance that

549
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 3>at some point they talked to each other and get

550
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 3>called back to the police department. They're like, oh man,

551
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:16.759
<v Speaker 3>do you remember this? Oh yeah, I remember, I forgot

552
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:20.279
<v Speaker 3>about that. So stories do change, and it's not always

553
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.880
<v Speaker 3>because someone's involved and didn't want to tell the truth

554
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:23.720
<v Speaker 3>about the situation.

555
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 2>So the very least I think you can cut some

556
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>slack with Daniel Foon and Tyler Bogard as they both

557
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 2>said goodbye to Alonzo when they left the party, and

558
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:36.119
<v Speaker 2>said that nothing seemed out of the ordinary. Since Justin

559
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Sprague had driven Alonzo there, I'm sure they assumed that

560
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Justin would give him a ride home. There appeared to

561
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.279
<v Speaker 2>be contradictory accounts from Daniel and Justin during their Unsaw

562
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Mysteries interviews, as Daniel said that Alonzo got into an

563
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 2>argument with another partygoer before he intervened and pulled him away. Well,

564
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Justin reported seeing no confrontations or hostility at all, and

565
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>said that Alonzo was having a great time. Well, this

566
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily mean Justin as being untruthful, because if he

567
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>was separated from Alonzo at the time and not present

568
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>to witness this altercation with the partygoer, then he was

569
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 2>probably unaware that anything happened had had no qualms about

570
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>leaving Alonzo alone to go out and buy cigarettes. Justin's

571
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.319
<v Speaker 2>stories that he got lost and his car got stuck

572
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 2>on those rural gravel roads, so rather than go to

573
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>the trouble of making a lengthy drive back to the party,

574
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 2>he called a friend of his named Adam and asked

575
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.759
<v Speaker 2>him to give Alonzo a ride back home to Gardner.

576
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.440
<v Speaker 2>But of course Adam was not interviewed on Unsawn Mysteries,

577
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and since we've never heard him publicly share his side

578
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:39.319
<v Speaker 2>of the story, it's unclear why he left without Alonzo well.

579
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>On our last episode, we discussed a post about this

580
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 2>case from the Cold Case Kansas blog, and it makes

581
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>mention of a guy named Edward Smith, which I think

582
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.680
<v Speaker 2>is probably an alias for the mysterious Adam. According to

583
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>this post, Edward Slash Adam did approach Alonzo about leaving

584
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 2>the party, but Alonzo told him he wanted to stay

585
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and would get a ride home with someone else. If

586
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.160
<v Speaker 2>this account is true, then it's possible that Alonso may

587
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>not have been aware that all of his other friends

588
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>were gone and there was no one left to give

589
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 2>him a ride. But if he was intoxicated, it's understandable

590
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 2>that he wouldn't be thinking clearly. We also have all

591
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.039
<v Speaker 2>these uncorroborated rumors that Alonzo have been flirting with a

592
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>white woman at the party, and if these rumors are

593
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.359
<v Speaker 2>accurate and Alonso thought he was getting somewhere well, this

594
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.039
<v Speaker 2>could provide an explanation for why he wanted to stay

595
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>and turn down Adam's offer for a lift.

596
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what I was thinking right now, was that

597
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:35.279
<v Speaker 3>if he is with a group of guys and he's

598
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 3>getting attention from a female, if he thinks that the

599
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 3>females you know, thinks he's funny and they're having a

600
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 3>good time and they're being talkative, he does what Jules

601
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.839
<v Speaker 3>and I have said we've dumbly done before, where we go, oh,

602
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.759
<v Speaker 3>just leave, just leave, I'll find a ride home, you know,

603
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 3>because it's kind of this at twenty three years old,

604
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 3>you're just fixated on this relationship and maybe you know,

605
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 3>being intimate with somebody or have fun that night, and

606
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 3>so I think you get this kind of tunnel vision,

607
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 3>especially if you've been drinking, where you think about, I'm

608
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.359
<v Speaker 3>making progress here. I can figure out a solution once

609
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.160
<v Speaker 3>I get what I want, which could be this girl.

610
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 3>And so I very much believe that could be potential.

611
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Where he's shoving the guys, I'll just go, just go,

612
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 3>like you're interrupting my flow, get away from me. I'm actually,

613
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, getting somewhere with this girl, and then things

614
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.680
<v Speaker 3>could turn south. Let's say she has somebody else who's

615
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.480
<v Speaker 3>interested in her. Let's say it's just motivated by race.

616
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:33.839
<v Speaker 3>In someone's sees and says, I'm not okay with this

617
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 3>because there are different races. But it could be a

618
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:41.000
<v Speaker 3>million things concerning that specific girl. I wish that a

619
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 3>female had emerged from the party and said, yeah, we

620
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 3>were getting along so well and then you just disappeared,

621
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 3>or we were getting along so well and then you know,

622
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 3>my friend Steve got really angry or something like that.

623
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.319
<v Speaker 3>But we have no information about a girl specifically at

624
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:55.759
<v Speaker 3>that party that's been identifying.

625
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, this rumor makes so much sense, Like

626
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I could see something escalating into violence, if Alonzo was

627
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:04.960
<v Speaker 2>hitting on a white girl and some of the other

628
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>partygoers didn't like it. But unfortunately, we just don't have

629
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:11.759
<v Speaker 2>any first hand accounts to corroborate if this is true.

630
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:16.039
<v Speaker 1>So on August seventh, twenty twenty, The Daily Mail published

631
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>an extensive article about Alonzo's case, containing a lot of

632
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Speaker 1>information which was not mentioned during the Unsolved Mysteries episode.

633
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 1>I shout out of his claimer that since the Daily

634
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Mail is a notorious tabloid which is known for being

635
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 1>an unreliable source of information, I would take the information

636
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.759
<v Speaker 1>that I'm about to share with a huge grain of salt,

637
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.559
<v Speaker 1>but if their reporting is accurate, it could shed some

638
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>additional insight into why Alonso was left behind at the party.

639
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Rodney English was interviewed for the article and claimed the

640
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>story shared by Justin on Unsolved Mysteries it was different

641
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>than the one he shared right after Alonzo went missing,

642
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.240
<v Speaker 1>as he apparently never mentioned anything about getting lost and

643
00:33:57.319 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 1>only said that his car broke down and he was

644
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>able to fix it himself by the side of the road.

645
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Alonzo's mother, Maria, also alleged that Justin has changed his

646
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.760
<v Speaker 1>story about six times over the years, while The Daily

647
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Mail spoke to an anonymous source who was supposedly close

648
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.599
<v Speaker 1>to Justin and claimed he'd received death threats since he

649
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.800
<v Speaker 1>appeared on Unsolved Mysteries and felt the show had let

650
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.760
<v Speaker 1>him down by editing out significant parts of his interview.

651
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.440
<v Speaker 1>According to this source, Justin did leave the party to

652
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>go purchase cigarettes, but the episode did not mention that

653
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>he was actually accompanied by another friend. They did apparently

654
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:35.400
<v Speaker 1>get their car stuck in the ditch, but Justin elected

655
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>not to call for help because he was drunk and

656
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.719
<v Speaker 1>high at the time, since he was about to enlist

657
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>in the army, he did not want a dui charge

658
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:47.039
<v Speaker 1>to potentially scoopings up. But if Justin was not entirely

659
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 1>truthful about how events unfolded that night, this could provide

660
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 1>an explanation why. However, The Daily Mail reported that phone

661
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 1>records did support Justin's story that he used his cell

662
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>phone to call Adam at the party, and that surveillance

663
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>cameras showed that Justin went to a gas station and

664
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 1>withdrew two hundred dollars from an ATM. Justin and his

665
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:11.320
<v Speaker 1>friend then went to a strip club, but they wound

666
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 1>up being ejected from there for unknown reasons. Thus far,

667
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>the Daily Mail is the only media outlet I've seen

668
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 1>which has published this account of Justin's story. But if

669
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>it's true, then it gives him an alibi placing him

670
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 1>away from the farmhouse and would clear him of any

671
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>direct involvement in Alonzo's death. So yes, while Justin may

672
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:35.199
<v Speaker 1>have been irresponsible that night, it sounds like he does

673
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 1>not have any further insight into how or why Alonso

674
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 1>was killed, And during his Unsolved Mysteries interview, Justin became

675
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.599
<v Speaker 1>fairly emotional, so I get the sense that he was

676
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.159
<v Speaker 1>genuinely guilt ridden and remorseful about not being there for

677
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:49.719
<v Speaker 1>his friend.

678
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.360
<v Speaker 3>Let's say, let's say you got stuck, you fixed your car,

679
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:57.360
<v Speaker 3>you went the wrong way, and then you end up

680
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 3>going to a strip club. I could see omitting that.

681
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're sitting there, You're talking about somebody who

682
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 3>has their own life, has their own career, has their

683
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:09.199
<v Speaker 3>own placement in society, has perhaps their own family. And

684
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.559
<v Speaker 3>you sit there and you say, you know, why didn't

685
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.800
<v Speaker 3>he tell us he was at a strip club? Well,

686
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.280
<v Speaker 3>he's getting ready to go into the army. Is it

687
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 3>something that he was worried would make him look bad?

688
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 3>Is it something he was worried his parents would be

689
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 3>embarrassed about. Is it something you know five years later

690
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.880
<v Speaker 3>that he doesn't want his wife to know. I mean,

691
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:30.960
<v Speaker 3>there's other explanations for a change in stories, And there's

692
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 3>also the way that our memories changed. They're malleable, they're pliable.

693
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 3>When you sit there and you have a dream about

694
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.599
<v Speaker 3>the incident, you wake up and you wonder what was

695
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.519
<v Speaker 3>fact and what was the dream. When you talk to

696
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.559
<v Speaker 3>someone else, your story shifts a little bit. So I

697
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.480
<v Speaker 3>believe you know, by your fifth interview, it's possible a

698
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 3>piece of information has been added or taken away. I

699
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:57.760
<v Speaker 3>don't think Justin seems like a person who is a

700
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 3>dark force in this story. I think he was an

701
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 3>other kid making some really bad decisions and had no

702
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.960
<v Speaker 3>idea that the consequences because he had no anticipation that

703
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 3>his friend was going to pass away that night. He

704
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:12.920
<v Speaker 3>thought that he was leaving his friend and many other

705
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.320
<v Speaker 3>people that knew Alonzo, and that his buddy would make

706
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:16.719
<v Speaker 3>it back just the way he said he would.

707
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 2>There's another detail mentioned in the Daily Mail article which

708
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.199
<v Speaker 2>I think might shed some light on all the confusion

709
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 2>surrounding the circumstances of Alonzo's disappearance. The party was held

710
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.440
<v Speaker 2>with daylight saving time took and the clocks moved forward

711
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 2>an hour at two am on the morning of April

712
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 2>to fourth. For this reason, investigators had a hard time

713
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 2>nailing down a precise timeline, because when you're dealing with

714
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.599
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of partygoers who have been drinking, I'm sure

715
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:44.440
<v Speaker 2>many of them are not going to be keeping track

716
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.440
<v Speaker 2>of when the clocks move forward. Where I have an

717
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.519
<v Speaker 2>accurate recollection of what time certain events occurred, it's been

718
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 2>reported that a fight took place at the party sometime

719
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:56.400
<v Speaker 2>around two or three am, although it's unclear if Alonzo

720
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:59.400
<v Speaker 2>was involved, and the original reporting on this story said

721
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the last time Alonzo was seen was at around three

722
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 2>or four AM. I'm sure these inconsistencies are the results

723
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 2>of different witnesses having different recollections of what time these

724
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 2>events took place, as I doubt that all of them

725
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.199
<v Speaker 2>would have taken daylight saving time into account. But what's

726
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.679
<v Speaker 2>important is that we don't seem to have a solid,

727
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 2>concrete account of the last time Alonso was confirmed to

728
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 2>be alive.

729
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 3>What's interesting, though, is that if you did look at

730
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.599
<v Speaker 3>that time frame, it's two thirty to three or three

731
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 3>to four, that could be all the same same hour,

732
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.840
<v Speaker 3>right if it was a change in the clock. We

733
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.239
<v Speaker 3>didn't always have iPhones that switched, you know, immediately at midnight,

734
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.559
<v Speaker 3>or sometimes my iPhone doesn't switch at midnight, it's which

735
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 3>is at like four am. So isn't it possible that

736
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 3>that could all just be the same timeframe?

737
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>It is? Yeah, I think that is a possibility. And

738
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.159
<v Speaker 2>what's so frustrating about this case is that we just

739
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 2>don't have any information about when this party really ended

740
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 2>and when people started trickling out of there and going home.

741
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.320
<v Speaker 2>So we've talked about how it seems unlikely that if

742
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:02.159
<v Speaker 2>there were a couple dozen people there and something happened

743
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>to Alonzo, that that many people would keep a secret.

744
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:07.079
<v Speaker 2>So that's why it would be useful to know, like

745
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>how many people were still at that party by the

746
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 2>time something happened to Alonzo.

747
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 3>And remember there was another party going on too, some

748
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.079
<v Speaker 3>people were leaving and going to that other party.

749
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it makes me wonder like how many people

750
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.800
<v Speaker 2>were present who might be covering some sort of secret.

751
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 1>During her interview on Unsolved Mysteries, Cindy said that when

752
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>she and Billy traveled to the scene to search for

753
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Alonzo and checked out the farmhouse, she looked in through

754
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.559
<v Speaker 1>the window and saw that it was empty and it

755
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>did not look like a place where there had been

756
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a huge party the night before. The wording is a

757
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 1>bit ambiguous, so I'm not sure if Cindy's trying to

758
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:46.280
<v Speaker 1>imply that the house are being completely cleaned up or

759
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 1>cleared out, but this could be taken as a sign

760
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>that something happened to Alonzo there and the responsible parties

761
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>made sure to do a very thorough cleanup job in

762
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.199
<v Speaker 1>order to get rid of potential evidence. One thing that

763
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.079
<v Speaker 1>has never made sense to me is why Alonzo's hat

764
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and boots were found in separate ditches across the road

765
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.519
<v Speaker 1>from each other near the end of the farmhouse driveway.

766
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.159
<v Speaker 1>We didn't find it likely that Alonzo would take off

767
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>his boots there and walk back onto the property towards

768
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.519
<v Speaker 1>the creek, but if he was murdered, it's also weird

769
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 1>that someone would get rid of his boots at that

770
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>particular spot. Rodney English theorized that someone may have driven

771
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 1>to the end of the driveway and tossed the hat

772
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and one of the boots in a ditch across the

773
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.800
<v Speaker 1>road from a moving vehicle, and then tossed the other

774
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>boot into a different ditch after they turned right and

775
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>started heading in that direction. When Justin picked up Alonzo

776
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 1>at his residence that night, he said that Alonzo put

777
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.519
<v Speaker 1>on two pairs of socks and rolled one pair down

778
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to tie his boot tighter since he'd recently suffered an

779
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 1>ankle injury. But if Alonzo's ankle was bothering him that night,

780
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 1>could he have decided to remove his boots at the

781
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 1>party before something happened. If Alonzo was not wearing his

782
00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:59.079
<v Speaker 1>boots when he was killed, this could explain why they

783
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.760
<v Speaker 1>were found step or from his body. But then why

784
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 1>not just get rid of the boots altogether rather than

785
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>leave them out in the open at a spot near

786
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:11.719
<v Speaker 1>the farmhouse. This has caused speculation that perhaps the responsible

787
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 1>parties wanted the boots to be found in order to

788
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>send some sort of message, which adds to the whole

789
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 1>aura of Lacine being a close knit small town concealing

790
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>a dark secret, with most of the residents feeling powerless

791
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 1>to do anything.

792
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering if you would take your boot off if

793
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 3>your ankle was hurting and you are in a place

794
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.239
<v Speaker 3>that you're unfamiliar with. You know, my husband won't take

795
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 3>his boots off unless he's done for the day, because

796
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 3>he's like, my feet hurt so bad. My feet are hurting,

797
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:41.239
<v Speaker 3>and he's like, if I take him off, it's almost

798
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:42.760
<v Speaker 3>like I get more pain in my feet because I

799
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.320
<v Speaker 3>have no support or anything going on. So I wonder

800
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.559
<v Speaker 3>if he would have left the boots on to provide

801
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.039
<v Speaker 3>the support for that ankle instead of saying, hey, I'm

802
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 3>going to take it off and have no stability on

803
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 3>my foot.

804
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 1>And was this an inside slash outside party, because if

805
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.880
<v Speaker 1>it was and people were kind of going in the

806
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.400
<v Speaker 1>farmhouse and out into the yard, which it kind of

807
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.159
<v Speaker 1>sounds like from what they've said, then I would find

808
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 1>it unlikely that he would take off his boots because

809
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>that would be the only thing that would be supporting

810
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:11.519
<v Speaker 1>his ankle.

811
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.960
<v Speaker 3>And remember, there's one hundred people, so I think it

812
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.199
<v Speaker 3>has to be in and out. Yeah.

813
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's never really been clarified how much was spent

814
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.320
<v Speaker 2>inside and outside at the party. But it was April,

815
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.119
<v Speaker 2>so it would have been warm enough I think for

816
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:24.679
<v Speaker 2>people to be hanging out outside.

817
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 1>And like Ashley just said, there's one hundred people, So

818
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.360
<v Speaker 1>good luck fitting one hundred people inside a house unless

819
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.199
<v Speaker 1>it's really big with the square footage.

820
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Now. The aforementioned Daily Mail article also said

821
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 2>that a number of different sources gave them the name

822
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.039
<v Speaker 2>of an out of towner who picked a fight with Alonso,

823
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:44.840
<v Speaker 2>though it's unclear if this is the same individual who

824
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.760
<v Speaker 2>was involved in the argument that Daniel Foon had witnessed,

825
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.480
<v Speaker 2>but the story goes that when this guy left the party,

826
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.599
<v Speaker 2>he drove nearly two hundred miles out of state, and

827
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 2>he was one of the partygoers who refused to take

828
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.679
<v Speaker 2>a polygraph and lawyered up when investigators attempted to question him.

829
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 2>While I'm not saying this guy was responsible for Alonzo's death,

830
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 2>it does open up the interesting possibility that Alonzo was

831
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>killed by someone who did not actually live in the

832
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Lacine area. If Alonzo realized that all of his friends

833
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:14.880
<v Speaker 2>had left and he no longer had a ride home,

834
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>could he have accepted a ride from a stranger he

835
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.519
<v Speaker 2>just met at the party that night. Could this person

836
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 2>have murdered Alonzo at another location and then brought his

837
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.880
<v Speaker 2>body back to Lcine and planted it on the bank

838
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.639
<v Speaker 2>of Middle Creek. What's interesting is that when doctor Mitchell

839
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.800
<v Speaker 2>performed his original autopsy, it sounds like he was unable

840
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 2>to provide a conclusive determination of how long Alonso had

841
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.199
<v Speaker 2>been dead before he was found, though he was inclined

842
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>to believe that his body had been lying on the

843
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 2>creek bank during the entire time period he was missing.

844
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 2>But how can we be so certain that Alonzo was

845
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.559
<v Speaker 2>dead during that entire twenty seven day window. We've heard

846
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.559
<v Speaker 2>all these wild theories about Alonzo's body being kept inside

847
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.320
<v Speaker 2>a freezer in order to explain why he had such

848
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 2>mild decomposition. But the alternate explanation is that someone could

849
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:02.920
<v Speaker 2>have abducted him and held him in captivity for a

850
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.119
<v Speaker 2>few weeks before he was killed, and they then proceeded

851
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 2>to bring his body back to the property and dump

852
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:10.920
<v Speaker 2>him on the creek bank. Of course, I'm not entirely

853
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.599
<v Speaker 2>sure why they would keep him alive this entire time,

854
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.400
<v Speaker 2>as it's not like he had any noticeable injuries on

855
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 2>his body to suggest he was tortured. But then again,

856
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe something was found during the most recent autopsy to

857
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 2>indicate that Alonzo experienced violence or torture before he died.

858
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.360
<v Speaker 3>This almost makes me feel like a Matthew Shepherd kind

859
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 3>of thing, where you had someone who wanted to hurt

860
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Matthew Shepherd because of his sexuality. But they targeted him

861
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.599
<v Speaker 3>in a way that they befriended him and they isolated him,

862
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:42.679
<v Speaker 3>and they made promises to him of like, hey, let

863
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.760
<v Speaker 3>us take you home, let's go hang out, let us

864
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 3>take you home, and then their whole plan all along

865
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.800
<v Speaker 3>was to attack him. And then they placed his body

866
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.320
<v Speaker 3>on that fence that night and so I'm wondering could

867
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.840
<v Speaker 3>something like that have happened where someone got frustrated they

868
00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.360
<v Speaker 3>liked the girl that he was talking to, but instead

869
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 3>of in front of all these people being rude to him,

870
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.559
<v Speaker 3>they befriend him and manipulate him to a point where, hey,

871
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.480
<v Speaker 3>man will take you home. Hey buddy, why'n't you ride

872
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.800
<v Speaker 3>with us? And they get him in the car under

873
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 3>pretenses that they're going to be good to him, and

874
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.679
<v Speaker 3>then turn on him when they're away from the rest

875
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:20.840
<v Speaker 3>of the party gooders, So it rose absolutely no suspicion

876
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:21.559
<v Speaker 3>with anybody.

877
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would make sense to me as well. And theoretically,

878
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.639
<v Speaker 2>like I said, if they killed Alonzo at another location

879
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.159
<v Speaker 2>or kept him in captivity and the people from Lecine

880
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:33.440
<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with it, they may have decided, Hey,

881
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to leave his body in the spot where

882
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 2>I originally took him from so that it'll divert the

883
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:39.960
<v Speaker 2>suspicion away from me.

884
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.360
<v Speaker 1>And it makes sense to me if it was some

885
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 1>guy that also liked this girl who's from the prominent family.

886
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.280
<v Speaker 1>But it would also make sense to me if it

887
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 1>was say a relative of hers, maybe a cousin, maybe

888
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 1>a brother, somebody who is connected to the family who

889
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>thinks I'm not going to stand for that. This is

890
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>somebody who I don't know how they would have viewed him,

891
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 1>if they viewed him his mixed race or they viewed

892
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 1>him as black, but either way they are thinking our

893
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>family is white and we aren't going to invite somebody

894
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 1>who is from the outside in in that capacity. And

895
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it makes a lot of sense to me, like you said, Ash,

896
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 1>that they could have befriended him, and they could have

897
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:26.519
<v Speaker 1>gotten close and then used that against him at another location,

898
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.559
<v Speaker 1>whatever the case. Coming up with a concrete theory about

899
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 1>what actually happened to Alonzo is incredibly difficult because even

900
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:39.239
<v Speaker 1>though there are a ton of rumors, gossip, and hearsay

901
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:42.320
<v Speaker 1>about events which may have taken place at that party,

902
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:47.440
<v Speaker 1>there are very few verifiable facts. Other than Justin Tyler

903
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and Daniel, no one who was in attendance that night

904
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>have gone on the record to speak about it. And

905
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.639
<v Speaker 1>assuming these three guys are telling the truth, they would

906
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.760
<v Speaker 1>have already been gone before the events which caused Alonzo's

907
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>death took place. Even though we've heard reports about people

908
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.360
<v Speaker 1>from the party lawyering up and refusing to be questioned

909
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 1>or take polygraphs. That doesn't necessarily mean they're guilty of

910
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>anything or concealing information, because refusing to take a polygraph

911
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.880
<v Speaker 1>or speak to the police without an attorney is always

912
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 1>considered to be sound legal advice, even if you're an

913
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.360
<v Speaker 1>innocent person. It sounds like the lack of a coherent

914
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.599
<v Speaker 1>timeline has always been one of the biggest obstacles for

915
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 1>this investigation, because we know at some point that party

916
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:33.920
<v Speaker 1>had to come to an end, but we have no

917
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 1>idea if Alonzo was still there at that time and

918
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 1>when the last confirmed sighting of him took place. I've

919
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.559
<v Speaker 1>always found it hard to believe that something bad could

920
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.119
<v Speaker 1>have happened to Alonzo at the party in full view

921
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:48.639
<v Speaker 1>of several witnesses, because I just don't believe that many

922
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:52.239
<v Speaker 1>people could keep a secret for two decades. Remember, this

923
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 1>case has been investigated by many agencies, including the KBI

924
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>and the FBI, so even if local law enforcement was

925
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.639
<v Speaker 1>witnesses would have had many avenues to turn to if

926
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.760
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to talk. Granted, we're not privy to all

927
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the details of this investigation, so perhaps people would have

928
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.639
<v Speaker 1>come forward to share important information with the authorities, but

929
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 1>they still don't have the necessary evidence to file charges

930
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.840
<v Speaker 1>against anyone. I still wouldn't rule out the possibility that

931
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.679
<v Speaker 1>Alonzo's death did not actually take place at the party,

932
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:26.719
<v Speaker 1>but instead occurred after he hitched a ride with someone

933
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:30.519
<v Speaker 1>who harms him at another location. If this is what happened,

934
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 1>there may only be one person or a small handful

935
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 1>of people who know the truth about how he died.

936
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have to go with that. I'm really leaning

937
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 3>towards this idea that he needed to get home, and

938
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.840
<v Speaker 3>it was the party was winding down. There probably weren't

939
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people there anymore. People were already dispersing

940
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:50.800
<v Speaker 3>and or were so intoxicated at the time they're not

941
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 3>paying attention. But he's befriended by somebody who says, I'll

942
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.039
<v Speaker 3>give you a ride, buddy, and so zero people raise

943
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:02.119
<v Speaker 3>an eyebrow. Zero people are on to that situation. And

944
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.800
<v Speaker 3>then once in that truck, we have no idea what happens.

945
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 3>And then they're discarding his items and his shoes, his hat,

946
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.840
<v Speaker 3>those types of things. I don't know. I just have

947
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:14.719
<v Speaker 3>to lean more towards that the idea that people lawyered

948
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:17.920
<v Speaker 3>up or didn't take a polygraph test. My goodness. I

949
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.920
<v Speaker 3>think there's a host of families, especially in small towns,

950
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.480
<v Speaker 3>that they could have an attorney friend who said, you know, like, hey,

951
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:28.960
<v Speaker 3>you tell your kids if they're ever questioned, the answer

952
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.599
<v Speaker 3>is not without an attorney present, and no way will

953
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.320
<v Speaker 3>they take a polygraph. So I don't see that as

954
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.239
<v Speaker 3>being a clear sign that these kids knew. But I

955
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:42.079
<v Speaker 3>definitely think that it's somebody who was at that party

956
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.840
<v Speaker 3>who said, Hey, I'm going to isolate this man away

957
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.920
<v Speaker 3>from this group, and then I can do whatever I want,

958
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.000
<v Speaker 3>punish him, get revenge, quiet him, whatever their goal was,

959
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.320
<v Speaker 3>And I'm starting to lean towards that's how that occurred.

960
00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I just don't see how doing a polygraph test, unless,

961
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>for example, you're the parents and your child is missing,

962
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 1>if you want law enforcement to eliminate you as a

963
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.320
<v Speaker 1>suspect so they can focus their energies elsewhere, I could

964
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.800
<v Speaker 1>see doing a polygraph in that context, because you want

965
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that they're not focusing on you and

966
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 1>that they're doing everything that they can outside of the

967
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.280
<v Speaker 1>family unit. But in this case, people who went to

968
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the party, they might have a myriad of things to hide,

969
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:26.440
<v Speaker 1>so they might register as deceptive on a bunch of

970
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:29.679
<v Speaker 1>different questions or come up as inconclusive. So if it

971
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.000
<v Speaker 1>were my kid, or even if I was in my

972
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:34.880
<v Speaker 1>twenties and know what I know now, I certainly wouldn't

973
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:35.880
<v Speaker 1>be doing a polygraph.

974
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be a thing where they took illegal

975
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 2>drugs at the party, or they did underage drinking. So

976
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 2>even though they may have had nothing to do with

977
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Alonzo's death or have any information about what happened to them,

978
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:49.199
<v Speaker 2>they're probably paranoid that it's going to register on the

979
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:51.639
<v Speaker 2>polygraph test if they don't tell the full truth about

980
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>what happened, and so they would have every reason to

981
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:54.880
<v Speaker 2>refuse to do it.

982
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Imagine getting asked a question like is there anything you're

983
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.559
<v Speaker 1>hiding about the day Alonzo died or about the day

984
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Alonzo went missing, and you're doing some kind of drugs

985
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 1>that are like more than we'd write something that would

986
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:12.519
<v Speaker 1>be a Schedule one narcotic, and you don't want to

987
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 1>admit that to your parents or to police. You don't

988
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 1>want anyone to know that, And so it would come

989
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:19.239
<v Speaker 1>up that you are lying or you're being deceptive on

990
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.960
<v Speaker 1>that polygraph. But the reality is you know nothing about

991
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Alonzo's death. There just is stuff that you're not telling

992
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:26.239
<v Speaker 1>the police, or.

993
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:28.760
<v Speaker 3>Hey, did you contribute it all to the death of Alonzo?

994
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

995
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 3>I poured him a drink. Yeah, I uh was the

996
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:35.159
<v Speaker 3>one who did drugs with him. Yeah, I'm the one

997
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 3>who introduced him to the people there. You know, Like,

998
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:41.639
<v Speaker 3>so am I quote responsible? Maybe because I interacted with

999
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.159
<v Speaker 3>him and I was part of his night that evening,

1000
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 3>So who knows of one of my actions quote contributed

1001
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:48.159
<v Speaker 3>to his death?

1002
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's why it really does depend on

1003
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the polygrapher, because I think they're supposed to be asking

1004
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the same question like three different ways, so that like, yeah,

1005
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.159
<v Speaker 1>if you said something like that, did you contribute to

1006
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:05.079
<v Speaker 1>the death? You could say did you directly contribute to

1007
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:09.559
<v Speaker 1>the death of ants contribute? If you asked it several ways,

1008
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.119
<v Speaker 1>you could get different answers. So if you've got somebody

1009
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 1>who's only asking it one way, then you could come

1010
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>up with tests that are full of deception.

1011
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:19.559
<v Speaker 2>One other thing I wanted to mention is that there's

1012
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.519
<v Speaker 2>a website about this case at Alonzo Brooks dot com

1013
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.360
<v Speaker 2>and it has been used to promote an upcoming documentary

1014
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 2>series and accompanying podcasts about the case, which is being

1015
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.880
<v Speaker 2>put together by a Kansas based filmmaker named Josh Pratt.

1016
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.679
<v Speaker 2>According to the website, Pratt has been working on this

1017
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 2>project for several years, even before the Unsolved Mysteries episode

1018
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.800
<v Speaker 2>came out, and it's going to contain a number of

1019
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 2>interviews with people connected to the case, including Alonzo's friends

1020
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:48.400
<v Speaker 2>and relatives, law enforcement officials, and even persons of interest. However,

1021
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:50.159
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea when the series is going to

1022
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.760
<v Speaker 2>be completed or when its projected release date might be,

1023
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.679
<v Speaker 2>and perhaps the reclassification of Alonzo's death as a homicide

1024
00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:59.480
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one has sent the project in an

1025
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:03.199
<v Speaker 2>entire life different direction. Whatever the case, if and when

1026
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:05.960
<v Speaker 2>this series does get released, it may finally shed some

1027
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:08.119
<v Speaker 2>additional light on things and answer a lot of the

1028
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 2>questions I've had. By all accounts, Alonzo Brooks was a

1029
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.400
<v Speaker 2>very nice person who loved his family and never caused

1030
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.559
<v Speaker 2>any trouble. So if he was the victim of a

1031
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.400
<v Speaker 2>hate crime and the responsible parties have managed to get

1032
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:23.559
<v Speaker 2>away with it for two decades, then that's a terrible injustice.

1033
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:25.679
<v Speaker 2>We still can't be one hundred percent certain that his

1034
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.239
<v Speaker 2>death was a hate crime. But even if that wasn't

1035
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the actual motive, a young man still had his life

1036
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.000
<v Speaker 2>stolen away from him. When I first watched the Unsolved

1037
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Mysteries episode back in twenty twenty, I have to admit

1038
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.519
<v Speaker 2>that I had mixed feelings about Alonzo's death being a homicide,

1039
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 2>as I felt his death could have been some sort

1040
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.079
<v Speaker 2>of accident, such as a negative reaction to drugs or alcohol,

1041
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.639
<v Speaker 2>and someone decided to conceal what happened before placing his

1042
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.599
<v Speaker 2>body out in the open. However, the results of the

1043
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:56.400
<v Speaker 2>latest autopsy do seem to confirm with absolute certainty that

1044
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Alonzo was murdered, and even though it's been four years

1045
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 2>since that announcement was made, I do hope that things

1046
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 2>are still going on behind the scenes to build a

1047
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:08.440
<v Speaker 2>case against the responsible perpetrator or perpetrators, and that they

1048
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.639
<v Speaker 2>will eventually face justice. So if you have been to

1049
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:15.000
<v Speaker 2>have any information about the murder of Alonzo Brooks, please

1050
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.719
<v Speaker 2>contact the Kansas City FBI office at eight one six

1051
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.119
<v Speaker 2>by one two eight two zero zero. That's eight one

1052
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:25.639
<v Speaker 2>six by one two eight two zero zero. You can

1053
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.519
<v Speaker 2>also submit a tips through the FBI website or called

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00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.199
<v Speaker 2>the Greater Kansas City Crime Stoppers Tips Hotline at eight

1055
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.880
<v Speaker 2>one six four seven four tips. That's eight one six

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00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:40.320
<v Speaker 2>four seven four eight four seven seven Jules Ashley. Any

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00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:41.599
<v Speaker 2>final thoughts in this case.

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00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:46.159
<v Speaker 3>This one's heartbreaking when you think about the way that

1059
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:50.440
<v Speaker 3>the families had to navigate the degrief here. When they

1060
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.280
<v Speaker 3>first called and they said he didn't come home, my

1061
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.360
<v Speaker 3>son is missing. We need your help, and they're told, well,

1062
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:58.559
<v Speaker 3>we have to wait forty eight hours, and then they're

1063
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.480
<v Speaker 3>on their way trying to do their own invent instigation,

1064
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:03.800
<v Speaker 3>turned away by the man on the ATV, to leave

1065
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.280
<v Speaker 3>the feeling that my voice doesn't matter, that no one

1066
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.960
<v Speaker 3>listened when I said something was wrong, No one listened

1067
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:13.559
<v Speaker 3>to us when we were begging them to search to

1068
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 3>help us find him. We had to go and find

1069
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:20.280
<v Speaker 3>him ourselves twenty seven days later, and then you know,

1070
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:24.760
<v Speaker 3>there's this continued flee from the family to say, listen,

1071
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.480
<v Speaker 3>there were one hundred people there that night. Someone saw something,

1072
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:32.679
<v Speaker 3>and so they're right. It's likely that people know tiny

1073
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 3>little piece of information that seemed incredibly insignificant, and yet

1074
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 3>if they came forward and if they were able to

1075
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:42.039
<v Speaker 3>share those there's potential that this case could have a resolution.

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00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:46.079
<v Speaker 3>But the idea that you know, no one's talking and

1077
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.480
<v Speaker 3>that their own voices are not being heard has to

1078
00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 3>be something that completely complicates and elongates the weight of

1079
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.360
<v Speaker 3>the grief that they're feeling. Alonzo went to a party

1080
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.519
<v Speaker 3>that night, a kid that doesn't really even get out

1081
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.079
<v Speaker 3>of his house. He's a homebody, and you know, so

1082
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.280
<v Speaker 3>he went to spend time with his friends and to

1083
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:06.079
<v Speaker 3>go along with their plan, and something that should have

1084
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:10.119
<v Speaker 3>been so innocent and so fun in it in his death.

1085
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.079
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm praying that this is one of those

1086
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.559
<v Speaker 3>cases that because there is a tension, because people are

1087
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:19.519
<v Speaker 3>finally listening, is this a case that actually could be solved.

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00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 1>I feel so deeply for Alonzo's parents and for all

1089
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.599
<v Speaker 1>of those who loved him, and for his friends that

1090
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:29.320
<v Speaker 1>appeared on the documentary. I think, of course, it looks

1091
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:32.000
<v Speaker 1>like they might be hiding certain things, but I don't

1092
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.639
<v Speaker 1>think they're hiding anything to do with the death of Alonzo.

1093
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I think there is a lot of guilt there, and

1094
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:40.519
<v Speaker 1>like Robin mentioned earlier, when I watched it, I felt

1095
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:43.920
<v Speaker 1>genuine emotions watching them talk about it. It felt like

1096
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.679
<v Speaker 1>there was remorse, and not remorse in the sense that

1097
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:50.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry because I hurt this person, but remorse because

1098
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:53.199
<v Speaker 1>they weren't there in the capacity that they felt like

1099
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:56.199
<v Speaker 1>they should, and they've taken a lot of heat for that.

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00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 1>This case has just made so much more complex, given

1101
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.679
<v Speaker 1>the fact that there's all these conspiracy theories about prominent

1102
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.360
<v Speaker 1>families and a potential white girl from a prominent family

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00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and Alonzo being quite drunk and getting into a verbal

1104
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 1>altercation with somebody. So there opens up all these different possibilities.

1105
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Because there weren't his friends there to basically hold him

1106
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.320
<v Speaker 1>back and go buddy, like it's time to walk away,

1107
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.280
<v Speaker 1>it's time to leave. He was left to his own devices,

1108
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and nobody else is talking about exactly what went down

1109
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.719
<v Speaker 1>that night. I honestly don't know if he was taken

1110
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:34.360
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else or his body was frozen, but it does

1111
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.760
<v Speaker 1>seem odd that he ended up somewhere that had previously

1112
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:39.760
<v Speaker 1>been searched. There is a possibility that he could have

1113
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.400
<v Speaker 1>been frozen. I think it is less likely that he

1114
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 1>was held at another location for close to a month

1115
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.119
<v Speaker 1>and then killed and then put there. But the idea

1116
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:51.159
<v Speaker 1>of the shot caller was brought up and like that

1117
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.280
<v Speaker 1>is a possibility, But it seems like if you're going

1118
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:55.760
<v Speaker 1>to hold somebody there for a long period of time,

1119
00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:58.039
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to do so because you want to

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00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:01.239
<v Speaker 1>torture them with more than just a shocking dog collar.

1121
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:04.360
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I have no idea. This is just

1122
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.280
<v Speaker 1>a case that has left me with more questions than answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this made a vivid impression on me when I

1124
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.599
<v Speaker 2>saw it on the Unsolved Mysteries reboot about five years ago,

1125
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and I talked at length about how some of the

1126
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.280
<v Speaker 2>cases they've shown are ones where it does seem that

1127
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:22.599
<v Speaker 2>they're obvious suicides or accidental deaths, and that the show

1128
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.800
<v Speaker 2>is trying to make the stories look a lot more

1129
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.440
<v Speaker 2>mysterious than they really are. But this one is definitely

1130
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:29.519
<v Speaker 2>the exception to the rule, because this is a rare

1131
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:33.639
<v Speaker 2>case where it was technically an unexplained, undetermined death when

1132
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>they originally featured it on the show, and then one

1133
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:38.639
<v Speaker 2>year later they gave a new autopsy and were able

1134
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.400
<v Speaker 2>to confirm with one hundred percent certainty that Alonzo was

1135
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.719
<v Speaker 2>the victim of a homicide and that there was a

1136
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.440
<v Speaker 2>crime here that needed to be solved. It is frustrating

1137
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:48.599
<v Speaker 2>that it's now been four years and we still don't

1138
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:51.559
<v Speaker 2>seem to have any further answers about what happened, but

1139
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I do think that law enforcement is vigorously working on

1140
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.239
<v Speaker 2>it behind the scenes, and for all we know, maybe

1141
00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the big break they need is for someone to come

1142
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:02.519
<v Speaker 2>forward with in because if it took place at a party,

1143
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:04.800
<v Speaker 2>then it's possible that there are people out there who

1144
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 2>know the truth and have kept silent about it for

1145
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:11.599
<v Speaker 2>two decades, and we have so many uncorroborated rumors. I mean,

1146
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:14.760
<v Speaker 2>some people think that because Alonzo was a minority in

1147
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:18.000
<v Speaker 2>a predominantly white area and was causing some friction at

1148
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:20.159
<v Speaker 2>this party, that maybe he was the victim of a

1149
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:24.199
<v Speaker 2>hate crime, And just hearing about the decomposition on his

1150
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:26.960
<v Speaker 2>neck has made me suspect that that might have been

1151
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:29.079
<v Speaker 2>the source of his homicide. That he could have been

1152
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:32.400
<v Speaker 2>murdered by being lynched literally or being strangled to death

1153
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:35.079
<v Speaker 2>or having his neck broken, and that's why it was

1154
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:37.920
<v Speaker 2>missed on the autopsy the first time around. So if

1155
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.639
<v Speaker 2>it was and Alonzo was targeted because of the color

1156
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:43.079
<v Speaker 2>of his skin, then this would fit the definition of

1157
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.840
<v Speaker 2>a hate crime and whoever was responsible definitely deserves to

1158
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:48.960
<v Speaker 2>face justice. I mean, I can't come up with the

1159
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.679
<v Speaker 2>theory of what happened with the information we have. I

1160
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:54.239
<v Speaker 2>don't know where Alonzo was during the twenty seven days

1161
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:56.679
<v Speaker 2>he was missing, why his body wound up on that

1162
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.480
<v Speaker 2>creek bank after all that time, But I do not

1163
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:02.239
<v Speaker 2>believe he was there the entire time when the original

1164
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:05.719
<v Speaker 2>search effort took place. So something fishy definitely has been

1165
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:07.920
<v Speaker 2>going on here. And I do sense that there are

1166
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.480
<v Speaker 2>a number of people in this small town in rural

1167
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Kansas who have their own ideas about what happened but

1168
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.559
<v Speaker 2>have not talked. So it's now been over twenty years,

1169
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.719
<v Speaker 2>and Alonzo's family definitely deserves to see justice done because

1170
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:22.480
<v Speaker 2>it is long overdue.

1171
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:24.360
<v Speaker 4>Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit

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01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:25.840
<v Speaker 4>about the Trail Went Cold Patreon?

1173
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, The Trail Cold Patreon has been around for three

1174
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:32.760
<v Speaker 2>years now, and we offer these standard bonus features like

1175
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:36.239
<v Speaker 2>early ad free episodes, and I also send out stickers

1176
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.079
<v Speaker 2>and sign thank you cards to anyone who signs up

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01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.679
<v Speaker 2>with us on Patreon if you join our five dollars

1178
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:45.800
<v Speaker 2>tier Tier two. We also offer monthly bonus episodes in

1179
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.000
<v Speaker 2>which I talk about cases which are not featured on

1180
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:51.840
<v Speaker 2>The Trail Went Cold's original feed, so they're exclusive to

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01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Patreon and if you join our highest tier tier free

1182
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the ten dollars tier. One of the features we offer

1183
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:02.480
<v Speaker 2>is a audio commentary track over classic episodes of Unsolved Mysteries,

1184
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 2>where you can download an audio file and then boot

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01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:09.000
<v Speaker 2>up the original Unsolved Mysteries episode on Amazon Prime or

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01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:12.400
<v Speaker 2>YouTube and play it with my audio commentary playing in

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01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.559
<v Speaker 2>the background, where I just provide trivia and factoids about

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01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.039
<v Speaker 2>the cases featured in this episode. And incidentally, the very

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01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 2>first episode that I did a commentary track over was

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01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:24.679
<v Speaker 2>the episode featuring this case. So if you want to

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01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.440
<v Speaker 2>download a commentary track in which I make more smart

1192
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.480
<v Speaker 2>ass remarks about Jewel Kaylor, then be sure to join

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<v Speaker 2>Tier three.

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<v Speaker 4>So I want to let you know a little bit

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01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:35.920
<v Speaker 4>about the Jeweles and Nashty patreons. So there's early ad

1196
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.880
<v Speaker 4>free episodes of The Path Went Chili. We've got our

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<v Speaker 4>Path Went Chili mini's, which are always over an hour,

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<v Speaker 4>so they're not very many, but they're just too short

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<v Speaker 4>to turn into a series, and we're really enjoying doing those,

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<v Speaker 4>so we hope you'll check out those patreons. We'll link

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<v Speaker 4>them in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to thank you all for listening, and

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. You can email us at the path went

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter at the Pathwin. So until next time, be sure

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<v Speaker 2>to bundle up because cold trails and chili pass call

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<v Speaker 2>for warm clothing.

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<v Speaker 4>Music by Paul Rich from the podcast Cold Callers Comedy