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<v Speaker 3>Our anthropology is not derived by human psychology or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>apirical data from M I T or something like this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's derived from the revealed aspect of what we see

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<v Speaker 3>in pristology. And so there's no real way to diagnose

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<v Speaker 3>man's problem and understand man and man's anthropology, as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>without the right theology, n a.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuck instead of my hey, hey, you're live, so hold on.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry. By the way, you might want to change.

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<v Speaker 4>It says your name to bust my your must hey,

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<v Speaker 4>it says your name.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want to change?

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<v Speaker 4>Excuse meet me repeat the can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, yeah, we can do it tonight. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. Sorry for delaying, but yeah we still have

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<v Speaker 1>to write that way before it's fall.

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<v Speaker 3>Where you go?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, okay, all right, welcome to get another episode of

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<v Speaker 5>Jay Analysis.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got our friend Snack in the house. How you doing, Snack.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing decently? Yeah, he's good, good.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Snack did a great video the other day, a

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<v Speaker 3>brief rundown of the shock waves and cyclical that's going

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<v Speaker 3>through the world causing such tremendous mystical unity at the

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<v Speaker 3>highest levels the Roman Catholic world has demonstrated its fantabulous

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<v Speaker 3>mystical unity with the Office of the Papacy and in

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<v Speaker 3>particular the latest in cyclical snack.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. It's on the defense. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a new channel, that's your discood, is creative, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of good stuff, very concise, and I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 1>a few more videos. It's is great and yeah, Fertilituti

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<v Speaker 1>has been sending shock waves, but in another way, just

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<v Speaker 1>confirming a lot of stuff. So we could see it

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<v Speaker 1>coming very far. Actually predicted most of what's in there

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you did you We we kind of saw this

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<v Speaker 3>as the logical outworking of where Pacha Mama would go.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh And so you know, we did a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>streams last year around this time, covering as well as

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<v Speaker 3>myself and Father Deacon. I'll have the link by the

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<v Speaker 3>way to the channel where you covered the twenty minute

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<v Speaker 3>analysis of the encyclical. But today maybe we'll get a

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<v Speaker 3>little more in depth, put it into the bigger global

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<v Speaker 3>context and see what we think is going on in

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<v Speaker 3>the big picture here. I got pretty deep into it today.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a little bit towards the end that I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>finished with, and then cyclical, but I mean I got

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<v Speaker 3>the gist of it, so we can definitely get into it.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to start off with, first of all, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>recap if you would, Pacha Mama and the Amazon Synod

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<v Speaker 3>and why you would say this might be a logical

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<v Speaker 3>extension of that, and then we'll get into the details

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we should even understand how the Patcha Mamma

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<v Speaker 1>seen it is an extension of Vatican too. So Vatican

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<v Speaker 1>two took a step and open the door to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe maybe the Muslim maybe maybe the Pagans

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed that, yes, the Pagans are right because, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Earth Goddess is definitely the same typology as Mary God,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a little bit of a stretch already.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and pagan sacrifice the goddess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And this is just just went went away

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<v Speaker 1>further and said, well, uh, we're all brothers in a

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<v Speaker 1>sense that we we can pray to the same God.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's the end and the ending statements actually prayers, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gon we're going to cover that, but prayers

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<v Speaker 1>that basically open an idea of communion that is just

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<v Speaker 1>general Christian Treatyarian communion and communion with other just generic

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<v Speaker 1>theistic or even Muslim generic monotheistic religion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it begins with uh, Francis, and Francis obviously attached

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<v Speaker 3>the significance to France France of ASSISI because of his name,

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<v Speaker 3>Pope Francis. And you know, I just did a very

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<v Speaker 3>long three hour stream covering the Malcolm Lambert book, most

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<v Speaker 3>of which actually covered the spiritual Franciscans, the Fraticelli and

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<v Speaker 3>the different heresies that actually spawned from Francis's movement, even

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<v Speaker 3>medieval centuries, and they were very much influenced by Gnostic ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm not saying necessarily Francis himself was a Gnostic.

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<v Speaker 3>I personally think that Francis was not a saint obviously

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<v Speaker 3>and had some very bizarre views. As an Orthodox person,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have that same reverence for Stigmata and these

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<v Speaker 3>kind of this notion of that you have to become

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<v Speaker 3>a little person who undergoes the sufferings of Christ to

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<v Speaker 3>become a little Christ, right obviously, Yes, in orthodoxology, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to be united to Christ and we do die

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<v Speaker 3>with him to raise, to be raised with him, to

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<v Speaker 3>participate in theosis. But there's this notion beyond that in

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<v Speaker 3>the Franciscan Stigmata tradition, where you actually have to suffer

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<v Speaker 3>the wounds of Christ to help fulfill the ministry of Christ. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is where Francis's in cyclical kind of takes

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<v Speaker 3>off by saying, Look, you know what's the great thing

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<v Speaker 3>that Francis Cisi taught us. It's brotherhood. So he begins

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<v Speaker 3>with this kind of generic attitude of well, because we

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<v Speaker 3>have kind of this generic father, we're all brothers. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is shown by the fact that when Francis ASSISI

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<v Speaker 3>went to the Sultan, he didn't try to debate, he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't engage in an argument or a dispute. He was

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<v Speaker 3>just friendly. Now, this is not exactly accurate. Even in

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<v Speaker 3>Roman Catholic traditional theology. They don't have the attitude that

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<v Speaker 3>Francis didn't try to convert Saracens. Actually he did. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not supporting Francis, I'm just saying that doesn't even

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<v Speaker 3>match up to the traditional Roman Catholic narrative. Now, it's

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<v Speaker 3>been twisted to where, look, we're past the period of

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<v Speaker 3>doing apologetics. We don't do debates anymore. We don't engage

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<v Speaker 3>in arguments and disputes. Rather, we just have to establish friendship.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we see at the beginning of this cyclical

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<v Speaker 3>valid ideas like friendship or camaraderie or human dignity are

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<v Speaker 3>turned into these humanistic models of what now the social

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<v Speaker 3>gospel is. I mean, the whole thing in the first

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<v Speaker 3>ten pages reads like social gospel, which, as we will see,

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<v Speaker 3>eventually kind of morphs into a not so subtle international

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<v Speaker 3>quasi communism. So that's my initial take as he starts

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<v Speaker 3>out with this story of how Francis did not engage

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<v Speaker 3>in any disputes, apologetics or wars of words and doctrines,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not even true in Roman Catho theology, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>certainly not true in Orthodox theology.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, he's taking premises that's okay, and just making

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<v Speaker 1>a step further. But what we can see today is

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of my great points is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>many people who say it's actually tried, there's actually a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff that's that's pretty great. It's pretty traditional. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's throwing a bone on one side, and it's making

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<v Speaker 1>a step on the other side. And what step does

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<v Speaker 1>he make exactly what you know, what people were thinking

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<v Speaker 1>Pachmahma was about, or what people were thinking were defending

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<v Speaker 1>Pachamama saying, oh, it's not about this. So that what's

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting, because this is about building a new model

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<v Speaker 1>step by step and creating a precedent. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>he quotes something from from from previous, previous, and cyclical

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<v Speaker 1>in this cyclical and at the time this was just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he threw a bone the other side and

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<v Speaker 1>it just took this step. And now this step is

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<v Speaker 1>the basis for the next step. So that's a you

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<v Speaker 1>under a structure and you subvert it step by step,

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<v Speaker 1>and and when when people will really want to defend it,

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<v Speaker 1>just have to throw a bone the other way and

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<v Speaker 1>the next and circle will be predicated on these being normative.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is the papal bureaucratic two step that I've

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<v Speaker 3>noticed for many years, which is the way that you

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<v Speaker 3>keep the people in line is to throw both sides

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<v Speaker 3>of the dialectical bone. Throw the trads a bone here

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<v Speaker 3>and there, throw the liberals a bone here and there,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is a very successful tactic really to keep

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<v Speaker 3>things kind of you know, underneath one agis right. It's

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<v Speaker 3>another version of false dialectic. But the Vatican's very good

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<v Speaker 3>at that, at gradually moving the goalpost over many decades

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<v Speaker 3>while in the midst of the present moment throwing bones

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<v Speaker 3>to both sides, and then they can you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>almost like a version of the Overton window phenomenon, if

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<v Speaker 3>you've heard of that. But I just like that. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just ironic that out the outset, it's essentially a dismissal

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<v Speaker 3>of apologetics under the guise of something that is true,

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<v Speaker 3>humanitarian aid, this kind of stuff. God is love and

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<v Speaker 3>you have to love people, not use words. Well, this

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<v Speaker 3>is a false dialectic, right. Loving someone also entails telling

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<v Speaker 3>them the truth. It also entails telling them, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to hear the message, they have to hear

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<v Speaker 3>what Christ taught. It's not a We're not primarily in

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<v Speaker 3>a gigantic social institution. That's not what the church is.

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<v Speaker 3>The Church is the mystical body. It's a miraculous institution.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not primarily an entity invented by Jesus to solve

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<v Speaker 3>world hunger and world poverty. In fact, Christ said the

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<v Speaker 3>poor you will always have with you. So he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>send the church out to be the communist warriors for

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<v Speaker 3>social justice and ending global poverty. And that's what the

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<v Speaker 3>syncyclical Big begins with, is the social gospel message of

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<v Speaker 3>we don't need to build watch towers, fortifications and defensive

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. Now, again, that is just outrageous from a

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<v Speaker 3>traditional Catholic perspective, because I mean, we brought this up

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<v Speaker 3>before Sinek, and I'll ask you what is the real Catholicism?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, is it medieval saints that are warrior kings,

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<v Speaker 3>warrior bishops. Is it Pope's calling Crusades? Is it Stigmata?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it a giant palace in Avignon? Is it Francis

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<v Speaker 3>walking around talking to animals and you know, sleeping in

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<v Speaker 3>tattered rags and supposedly having stigmata. Which of these is it?

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<v Speaker 3>John Paul the Second praying with all the world religions?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it Mother Teresa saying that she's not interested in

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<v Speaker 3>converting Buddhists, but rather to just you know, live a

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<v Speaker 3>life of poverty. I mean, what is Catholicism really is

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<v Speaker 3>it all of those and none of those. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>precisely why it has such a whole on people, is

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<v Speaker 3>that it can be whatever you want it to be.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimately, you can you can just pick and choose, and

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<v Speaker 1>people will say, as long as you're following a certain theology,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine. But again, who already discussed a unit problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely not true. And people say, oh, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as you're as you're in community with the purp, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And again that may be the one thing that all

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<v Speaker 1>of this has in common because Francis of Assisi, if

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<v Speaker 1>he had not submitted to the PERP before, if he

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, was not in community for him, it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been considered one of these bigger orders. It

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<v Speaker 1>just matches all of all of the categories that these

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately I will tell you it's about being in community

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<v Speaker 1>with the perp. But here this is a real problem,

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<v Speaker 1>real serious problem, because there's a clear evolution with morals

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<v Speaker 1>of morals. Yes, this is a basis of morals. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>see death penalty, the ability for us to engage in warfare.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the end of the day, which papercies this

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<v Speaker 3>And we noticed too that the principle of self defense

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<v Speaker 3>clear as he moves on in cyclical no Borders, no Wall,

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<v Speaker 3>the only thing he leaves out is no USA at all. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's basically like half of an Antifa dictum. But

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<v Speaker 3>before we get to that, he does, of course give

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<v Speaker 3>a shout out to the Grand Imam Ahmad al Tayeb,

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<v Speaker 3>duties and dignity. That's not even actually true. Not all

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<v Speaker 3>human beings have the exact same duties from birth. A husband,

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<v Speaker 3>So this doesn't even make any sense. But this is

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<v Speaker 3>any sense that you want. And he says that we

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<v Speaker 3>are called to all live together as brothers and sisters.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, but in Christ right, those outside of the

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<v Speaker 3>a sense in which, yes, all human beings have a

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<v Speaker 3>even necessarily believed in the Vatican anymore, but given that

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<v Speaker 3>open definition of evolutionary theory, especially amongst the Jesuits. But

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<v Speaker 3>setting that aside the sense in which we are brothers

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<v Speaker 3>and sisters. It's very cleverly done here in where the

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<v Speaker 3>way Francis will cite John's and cyclicals in Saint Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>The context in which Paul says, for example, not to

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<v Speaker 3>the church. He's not saying to never have a disagreement

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<v Speaker 3>or dispute with someone outside of the faith, and in

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<v Speaker 3>fact if you look at the Book of Acts, how

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<v Speaker 3>many times does Paul go and debate and do apologetics.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course he does, because Paul says that that is

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<v Speaker 3>for those outside of the brotherhood, outside of the community

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<v Speaker 3>of the church. But Francis tastes comments that Paul says

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<v Speaker 3>universally binding moral obligations upon all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, you have a duty to support other people

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<v Speaker 3>in the church who maybe don't have a sufficient income. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>so there's an offering that's taken up in Paul's epistles.

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<v Speaker 3>But you could say, oh, you see, you have a

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<v Speaker 3>duty to all of the poor in the world. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>in a general sense, people have duties to every human being. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>But the problem that you get from this sort of

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<v Speaker 3>the They will erase the notion of levels or degrees

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<v Speaker 3>of duty. I have a duty to my family and

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<v Speaker 3>to those closest to me above other people across the globe.

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<v Speaker 3>But this has always been the liberal and internationalist fallacy,

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<v Speaker 3>which is to equate the duty that you have to

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<v Speaker 3>then they actually end up erasing the duty to those

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<v Speaker 3>around you. Oh, you don't actually even have a duty

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<v Speaker 3>to family, because family is a social construct, you see.

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<v Speaker 3>So you see how it moves from one to the

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<v Speaker 3>next to the next. Because Francis's attack and critique on

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<v Speaker 3>the self defense of people groups and nations should logically

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<v Speaker 3>be extended to the family. Shouldn't the family also therefore

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<v Speaker 3>be no borders, no wall, no father at all. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>why would I stop that logic at nation states and

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<v Speaker 3>people groups and then allow it for families. So Francis

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<v Speaker 3>is quite obviously from the outset a complete subverter, and

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<v Speaker 3>in fact he is night and day even within cyclicals

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<v Speaker 3>on the family on Christian Love and Duty written one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred years ago, So it's night and day from Leo

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<v Speaker 3>the thirteenth, or even in cyclicals written up into the

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<v Speaker 3>twentieth century by A. Pie the eleven. So it's night

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<v Speaker 3>and day. It's just it's mind blowing. Really, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 3>I went long there.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, I know you said it all. It's it's perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we can go ahead and dissect as the main points.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think about this this move of uh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>Francis of ASSISI went and talked to the Sultan, so

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<v Speaker 3>I did the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it's his story repeating itself as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a farce, and it's subverting things that would be

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<v Speaker 1>correct in traditional Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 3>But Francis, even Francis of Assisi's goal was to make converts.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the irony here. I'm not supporting Francis of Assisi.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying that even Francis of Assisi wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>convert the Muslims, and Francis post Francis doesn't. That's how

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<v Speaker 3>it's ironic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. You might want to bring up the icons

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<v Speaker 1>even made an icon. I think it's a Franciscan monastery

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<v Speaker 1>that just use the icon of Saint pauland Saint Peter.

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<v Speaker 1>You're giving the threaten lu kiss and they just rehashed it,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of one of them is a Francis of

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<v Speaker 1>Assisi and the second one as a sultant. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can find it to.

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<v Speaker 3>Just isn't it funny because Francis Pope Francis early on

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<v Speaker 3>cites Saint John in his Catholic and Cyclical or Catholic Epistles,

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<v Speaker 3>First John about not loving your fellow men, but he,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess forgot to read the fact that Saint John

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<v Speaker 3>in First John and in Second John says that if

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<v Speaker 3>any man does not confess Christ in the flesh, God

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<v Speaker 3>in flesh, he is Antichrist and spirit of Antichrist. So

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<v Speaker 3>John says both things. He says, you have to love men,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to recognize that these world religions ours

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<v Speaker 3>spirit of Antichrist precisely because they do not confess God

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<v Speaker 3>in the flesh. So he again, it's just sort of

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<v Speaker 3>this cherry picking of the the nice verses that sort

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<v Speaker 3>of leftists and social gospel proponents prefer, and then sort

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<v Speaker 3>of sprinkling them throughout the encyclical as if the context

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<v Speaker 3>isn't about unbelievers and isn't also balanced with the texts

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<v Speaker 3>that tell people that they have to convert, have to repent.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, is there even anything in this is cyclical

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<v Speaker 3>at all about repentance. I'm over halfway and i haven't

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<v Speaker 3>seen anything yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's mostly about taking the Christian principle of broselhood

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<v Speaker 1>and slowly extending it and using this gray area.

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<v Speaker 3>And again, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>This is encyclicals that just paved away for the Mexican cyclicals,

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<v Speaker 1>which just will take a step through it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>people would be mad, and people would just have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but look, just previous and cyclical, say, you know, lads

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<v Speaker 1>of groundwick Foot, you can't refuse it. This is magisterium.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's mention that point. Let make sure that we aren't

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<v Speaker 3>concurrent viewers. Let's make sure our sound is good. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>It said no viewers. Yes. So the next thing I

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<v Speaker 3>noticed was he says, well, we are a human family.

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<v Speaker 3>This is right before he begins chapter one. He says,

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<v Speaker 3>and since we are all fellow travelers that share the

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<v Speaker 3>same flesh, we are all children of the same earth,

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<v Speaker 3>which is our common home, regardless of anybody's beliefs and convictions.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that's also not true, right, So he's setting the

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<v Speaker 3>stage for his next section after chapter one, which will

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<v Speaker 3>be no borders, no walls. And he sets the stage

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<v Speaker 3>by the phrase fellow travelers. If you know the history

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<v Speaker 3>of Marxism, that's a Marxist phrase. I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 3>everyone used that phrase of Marxists. Obviously, it's entered into

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<v Speaker 3>the common parlance, but fellow traveler is a phrase that

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<v Speaker 3>Marxist would use to identify one another at times. And

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<v Speaker 3>you also say, oh, you have all to have the

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<v Speaker 3>same earth and the same common herod. No we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, you know what does Christ say that the

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<v Speaker 3>wicked will be removed from the earth and the meek

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<v Speaker 3>will inherit the earth? So we do not all have

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<v Speaker 3>the same telos, the same end goal. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>believe that Jesus was a social reformer and a social

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<v Speaker 3>liberal of sorts, then you would think that we, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>are all social socialists. Basically it's a form of kind

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<v Speaker 3>of watered down Christian socialism, which is what I see here.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, my goal here is not to

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<v Speaker 3>promote monopoly capitalism, as you know, I don't buy into

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<v Speaker 3>any of these modern systems. But the phraseology and the

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<v Speaker 3>argumentation of this encyclical is pretty striking. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 3>went it went further than I expected.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think, Yeah, yeah, it went further, but

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<v Speaker 1>it still was a classical way. And you brought up

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<v Speaker 1>something the idea of you know, equating us being brosens

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<v Speaker 1>of flesh and being made all of humanity is made

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<v Speaker 1>consubstantial by the incarnation, and that's why there will be

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<v Speaker 1>a finite recapitulation. And equating this final recapitulation with us

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<v Speaker 1>ending up in the same place, which is true to

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<v Speaker 1>an extent, but is not in terms of salvation.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct. This is the mistake, right, The mistake of David

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<v Speaker 3>Bentley Heart is to think that because we have a

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<v Speaker 3>recapitulation in Christ, that every hypostasis will therefore be saved.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>No, the restoration of nature is universal. But how that

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<v Speaker 3>nature will be experienced, The mode in which we'll experience

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<v Speaker 3>the Esketon will depend upon our individual hypostatic mode of

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<v Speaker 3>living in reality. So how we've lived in this life,

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<v Speaker 3>whether we have recapitulated the virtues in ourselves, will determine

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<v Speaker 3>our experience of the Esketon. Even though we all have

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<v Speaker 3>the same in goal, of the same ascoton, it will

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<v Speaker 3>definitely not be the same experience for all people.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why there's the wicked, and there's the righteous, there's

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<v Speaker 3>the sheep, there's the goats. Obviously, so this you could

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<v Speaker 3>see begin to see here why someone like Origin is

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<v Speaker 3>very useful to these kind of generic theists perennialists, because

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<v Speaker 3>it allows them to kind of muddy the water on

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<v Speaker 3>these theological distinctions and kind of confused people who don't

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<v Speaker 3>know a lot of the theological jargon with kind of

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<v Speaker 3>this bland, generic phraseology of how we're all together in

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<v Speaker 3>one flesh, we're all together in Christ. Well, we are,

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<v Speaker 3>but that doesn't mean that we're all participating in theosis,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean that we all are saved. Right, But I

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<v Speaker 3>mean the Vatican has in fact flirted with different kind

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<v Speaker 3>of forms of universal salvation and several of their theologians

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<v Speaker 3>in the last fifty years, So it shouldn't be surprising that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he would find this kind of phraseology useful.

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<v Speaker 3>The next point does lend to the socialist angle, which

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<v Speaker 3>is where he says, in this way, in the modern world,

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<v Speaker 3>political life becomes increasingly fragile in the face of international

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<v Speaker 3>economic powers that operate under the principle of dividing conquer. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>that's true, and in fact, this is probably the section

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<v Speaker 3>Sneck where you were talking about people saying, oh, it's based,

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<v Speaker 3>it's based. I mean, it's only based if you think

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<v Speaker 3>Marxism is based, right. I mean, Marxism is not wrong

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<v Speaker 3>in everything that it says, right, So Marxist will critique

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<v Speaker 3>international banking powers. They'll even critique usury at times. But

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<v Speaker 3>so what that doesn't mean that, you know, because part

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<v Speaker 3>of your critique is true, that your answer, your solution,

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<v Speaker 3>your paradigm as a whole is true. And so this

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<v Speaker 3>is not really that based of a statement unless you

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<v Speaker 3>think all Marxists, Socialists and communists are in fact based.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think that they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, he's as statement that you know, perfectly fine if

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<v Speaker 1>you study people and simply call like like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>most primi Catholic apology school studies, the church president is

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<v Speaker 1>picking and choosing what they like. So of course when

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<v Speaker 1>he says the global company should not dominate the world publicly, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>look at the greater context, it really does sound so holistic.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually you had people in the Roman Catholic with

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<v Speaker 1>picking up on that, and it should also be put

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<v Speaker 1>into the greater context of what's happening currently in Catholicisms.

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<v Speaker 1>It is China mm hm. Purpose accepted many you know,

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<v Speaker 1>many bishops that were named by the Communist Party of China.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very funny because we're the ones that are usually

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<v Speaker 1>accused of having KGB bishops.

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<v Speaker 3>But KGB, so yes, which is Francis Francis recognizing the

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<v Speaker 3>Chinese Catholic bishops, which are the ones appointed by the state.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he didn't meet with but he did affirm

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<v Speaker 3>the Chinese Communist Catholic bishops. So I mean, this is

439
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<v Speaker 3>this is bizarre because of course the CIA worked for many,

440
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<v Speaker 3>many years through this program with John Courtney Murray, as

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<v Speaker 3>I've covered in David Wimoff's book. And now I guess

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<v Speaker 3>Francis is, you know, not going to meet with Pompeo.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't really care that much about

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<v Speaker 3>the geopolitical stuff, although it is kind of I mean

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<v Speaker 3>in regard to this in cyclical, although it is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of relevant because this in cyclical does maybe signify that.

447
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you could even find sections of this in

448
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<v Speaker 3>cyclical that are that are directed against Trump. It's like

449
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<v Speaker 3>he's literally almost he won't use the name Trump, but

450
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<v Speaker 3>he's obviously means Trump. He's like certain political figures will

451
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<v Speaker 3>call out their opponents and make fun of them, and

452
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<v Speaker 3>he says this is hateful. He says, this is anger

453
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<v Speaker 3>and hate, and we're all obsessed with this notion of

454
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<v Speaker 3>fake news, and oh, that's all from obviously from from

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<v Speaker 3>the Donald so and I'm not saying that Donald is

456
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<v Speaker 3>right and everything that he says. I'm just pointing out

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<v Speaker 3>the facts of this encyclical are about contrasting this quasi internationalist,

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<v Speaker 3>socialist whatever it is, quote humanitarianism to international finance money.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sorry, but I just I can't take this

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<v Speaker 3>seriously from any entity like the Vatican that has a

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<v Speaker 3>gigantic usery based international money institution known as the Vatican Bank. Francis,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're going to tell me about getting rid of

463
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<v Speaker 3>international money lending operations while you have a gigantic money

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<v Speaker 3>lending institution known as the Vatican Bank, and in fact

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<v Speaker 3>the papers he has reversed his position on usery in

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<v Speaker 3>the Middle Ages, as is well known, as Hoffman showed

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<v Speaker 3>in his book. I mean, let's just go to these

468
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<v Speaker 3>classic cases, right Robert Okalvi David Yalov's book. I'll be

469
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<v Speaker 3>covering these soon. By the way, this is just just

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<v Speaker 3>rings hollow for someone like Francis, you know, to say

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of stuff, you know, get on this sort

472
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<v Speaker 3>of moral high horse about globalism and all this stuff,

473
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<v Speaker 3>and then tell us that we don't and shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>self defense when Francis rides around in a plexiglass bulletproof

475
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<v Speaker 3>golf cart with about thirty Secret Service agents around him. Really,

476
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<v Speaker 3>so no walls, no borders, no self defense. You think

477
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<v Speaker 3>these security guards don't have freaking guns strapped? Do you

478
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<v Speaker 3>think they're not strapped? Give me a freaking break, dude,

479
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 3>get out of here with that will that b s.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Again, you know.

482
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<v Speaker 1>The Swiss Guard historically wearing you know, peacemakers.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, by the way, this is not just a

484
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<v Speaker 3>Swiss Guard, Like I know that the Swiss Guard had

485
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<v Speaker 3>been there for a long time. But Francis he goes out,

486
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<v Speaker 3>he literally has already Secret Service agent, security detail guys,

487
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<v Speaker 3>not just the Swiss Guard, like I mean more than Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And again that's perfectly fine, that's that's what pragmatically

489
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<v Speaker 1>needs to be done. But at the same time, this

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<v Speaker 1>person is I think he's been saying saying some tweets

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<v Speaker 1>against private gun ownership. Really sure, people, people need to

492
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<v Speaker 1>be able to defend themselves about was the whole Armenia

493
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<v Speaker 1>is being attacked for being Christians. America is facing a

494
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<v Speaker 1>lot of civil unrest and people need to protect themselves. Actually,

495
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<v Speaker 1>guns have shown that, you know, a private ownership of

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<v Speaker 1>guns works in these extreme situations. I'm not going to

497
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<v Speaker 1>comment on the politic side, but even pragmatically, this is

498
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<v Speaker 1>perfectly fine where the purdues, but he's preaching something else

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<v Speaker 1>and historically chose a change in malls. Yeah, banking is bad,

500
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<v Speaker 1>yet the Vatican of the first national bank in the world. Yeah,

501
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>war is bad, yet you know used excommunication stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>this to make Cassis belly to invade places in Italy

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>We uh you know, go watch that show that Borgias

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<v Speaker 3>with Jeremy Irons and he's playing with Pope Alexander the

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<v Speaker 3>fourth or whatever, and he's just like, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty it's a it's a good show. It's actually

508
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<v Speaker 3>pretty historically relevant, at least they try to be. It's

509
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<v Speaker 3>a little Hollywood, but he's just he's like, yeah, you know,

510
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<v Speaker 3>fight for me or you're actmmunicated. I mean to get

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<v Speaker 3>from that to Francis, it's just kind of like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>go look up Simon of Trent, okay, used to be

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<v Speaker 3>Saint Simon of Trent no longer a saint somehow supposedly uh,

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<v Speaker 3>And then that should be enough to tell you that

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<v Speaker 3>that something is fishy here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly change change of morals. And that's a problem

517
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<v Speaker 1>because the papers he had to adopt some specific morals

518
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<v Speaker 1>that you know, were relative to and pertain to leading

519
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<v Speaker 1>a state. And he led a state. But that's the

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<v Speaker 1>first problems bishops and so should not should not lead state?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's in Matthew twenty. And historically the church

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<v Speaker 1>has always operated alongside.

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<v Speaker 3>Or in the state.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have donation of peppin the paper state.

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<v Speaker 1>So the pope starts to include morals that a link

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<v Speaker 1>to managing a state. And and then he got caught

527
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<v Speaker 1>up in this and after after the Italians invaded and

528
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<v Speaker 1>push a pope to a little hill in the middle

529
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<v Speaker 1>of Rome, he had to to go with the political flow.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that sense, the Roman entered the world and

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<v Speaker 1>and tries to to make adom of God.

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<v Speaker 3>It is not an earthly kingdom exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that is very earthly, and that's why it's

534
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<v Speaker 1>it is susceptible to politics and the flow of politics.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it went from this very aggressive medieval institution

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<v Speaker 1>to today's warkness.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, there was a great article in Politico. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was political. Let me see if I had it

540
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<v Speaker 3>pulled up on my phone here, which is relevant. I

541
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<v Speaker 3>think I shared it on Twitter. But it's relevant to

542
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<v Speaker 3>this angle here because and a lot of people are

543
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<v Speaker 3>ignorant of this and they don't know the nuances. By

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<v Speaker 3>the way, Uh, I'm not the only person who's been

545
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<v Speaker 3>talking about this angle and coming to these conclusions. Again,

546
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<v Speaker 3>we've got the you know, we've got longtime trads like

547
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<v Speaker 3>wim Hoff that talks about this, uh PayPal low crism,

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<v Speaker 3>you could say, and Vigana right, all the trads are

549
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<v Speaker 3>all He's the rage amongst the trade ads right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Vigano just said the other day the deep State has

551
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<v Speaker 3>now teamed up with the Deep Church to overthrow Trump

552
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:11.679
<v Speaker 3>and usher in a novus ordo seclorum. So there's Vigano

553
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<v Speaker 3>telling you the types of things that you've heard me

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<v Speaker 3>say for a long time. By the way, this doesn't

555
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<v Speaker 3>vindicate trautism just because he says that, because trautism, as

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as we've argued for many, many years here,

557
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.760
<v Speaker 3>is pretty much a dead end. But this is excuse me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not Politico's mother Jones. I'll put this article in

559
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.320
<v Speaker 3>the chat. But there's a great article on John Paul

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<v Speaker 3>the second and his relations with the CIA there will

561
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<v Speaker 3>be done, and all of the sort of Cold War

562
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 3>work that John Paul was doing, the connections with Bill Donovan, right,

563
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:49.880
<v Speaker 3>all this kind of stuff. This is very it's worth,

564
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.159
<v Speaker 3>it's worth knowing this stuff because this stuff is relevant

565
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<v Speaker 3>to again, where we see the Vatican going now. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's yes, I am aware that Francis did and go

567
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<v Speaker 3>meet with Pompeo. And that's relevant because, as Snack pointed out,

568
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<v Speaker 3>the acceptance of the Chinese Communist bishops is part of

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<v Speaker 3>the under lying the setting for this encyclical, and that's

570
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<v Speaker 3>very very important to know and understand. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying this makes oh the ci are and

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<v Speaker 3>know the good guys. No, no, it's not a good

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<v Speaker 3>guy bad guy thing. It's just the realities of the

574
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<v Speaker 3>geopolitical sphere undergirding this, which is why, as I mentioned,

575
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<v Speaker 3>and all the tribes just didn't know this, They ignored this,

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't know. I mean, he even says in the

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<v Speaker 3>encyclical that he owes much to his meeting with the

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<v Speaker 3>grandy mom right. And then I mentioned that this undergirds

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<v Speaker 3>this whole encyclical. In the trade. No it doesn't. It

580
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<v Speaker 3>has nothing to do with unitarian prayers that are Muslim friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it does, has.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing to do that. Really, he says it in the

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<v Speaker 3>first ten pages. Is meeting with the Grande mom underlies

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<v Speaker 3>this incyclical. He's making a symbolic connection between Francis going

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<v Speaker 3>and talking to the Sultan and him, as francisn't going

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<v Speaker 3>and talking to the email obviously.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So you will have many, many different interpretations and people saying, oh,

589
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<v Speaker 1>it's based, people minimizing it, right. And what's really great

590
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>is that that's something I touched on the small video

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<v Speaker 1>is that here this is so blatant that the defenses

592
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<v Speaker 1>are contradictory. So you have several types of defenses against

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<v Speaker 1>this incyclical, from the twad world, from the regular Catholic world.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first one is just to say it's perfectly fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you're ready lost.

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<v Speaker 3>Much ado about it, I think, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have the people who will start to say, oh,

598
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<v Speaker 1>actually it's not magisterial, it's not magisterial, don't worry, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a pope giving is private opinion to the whole

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<v Speaker 1>church in an encyclical. So as the would say, actually,

601
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<v Speaker 1>in encyclical doesn't mean that magisterium, it's just private thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>That's actually not true. But I wish we should mention

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<v Speaker 3>that that's actually not true. Uh, And encyclical actually does

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<v Speaker 3>fall under the ordinary teaching office of the Pope. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>it's true that there could be within the encyclical different

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<v Speaker 3>areas that it touches on that are different levels of

607
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<v Speaker 3>Catholic authorities so called. But it doesn't matter that there's

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<v Speaker 3>those levels of authority even within the encyclical, because as

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<v Speaker 3>a Catholic, you are still bound to submit to the

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<v Speaker 3>ordinary teaching authority. Even if it's not universal ordinary magisterium,

611
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<v Speaker 3>it's still ordinary magisterium, and you're bound to submit with docility.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if you have reservations about areas or parts of

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<v Speaker 3>the doctrine, doesn't matter. You can you can have personal

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<v Speaker 3>private disagreements all you want. You must submit with dorcil t.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is what the trads have forgotten. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have people will completely say that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>other register. You will have people who say, oh, actually

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine as long as nothing is a ex cathedra

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<v Speaker 1>in there. But again, as we've demonstrated before, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times. Ex Cathedra is in the eye of the beholder.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no list. People will interpret it. People actually came

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<v Speaker 1>out and say that the it's I think it's James

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<v Speaker 1>Martin would say, oh, no, it's settled. It's the public lared.

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<v Speaker 1>Ex Cathedra is that that the death penalty is no

625
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<v Speaker 1>more and say it's a moral teaching and addressed to

626
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<v Speaker 1>the whole church, and it's something new, and in that

627
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<v Speaker 1>sense it will be right. But then you have people

628
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<v Speaker 1>say it cannot be Exca fiber because it will contradict

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<v Speaker 1>a previous Exca theater statement. There's a ball which mentions

630
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<v Speaker 1>the death penalty, and it also has a very strong

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<v Speaker 1>claim for being es cathedral. And then your face with

632
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<v Speaker 1>this problem, Yeah it is it infallibly contradicting.

633
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the irony about death penalty is that, I mean,

634
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<v Speaker 3>when I was traditional Catholic, it was always my understanding

635
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<v Speaker 3>from you know, traditional Catholic moral theologies that the retributive

636
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<v Speaker 3>justice of the death penalty was classed under natural justice.

637
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<v Speaker 3>So this is a derivative of natural law. Right, the

638
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 3>eternal natural law derives from the eternal law, the natural

639
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 3>law being based on the eternal law. Eternal law, being

640
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<v Speaker 3>based on God's character cannot change. You can't alter natural law.

641
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<v Speaker 3>It's impossible. So there's no way that you could have

642
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.760
<v Speaker 3>an alteration, even by the Pope, of something that's natural law,

643
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 3>moral law. I'd be like the pope saying he could

644
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:01.320
<v Speaker 3>he could alter and affirm something relating to I don't know, abortion,

645
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 3>birth control.

646
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<v Speaker 1>Right.

647
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<v Speaker 3>No, no Catholic really believes that, at least any kind

648
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<v Speaker 3>of traditional Catholic. I mean, I'm sure plenty of modern Catholics.

649
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Hans Kung probably believes that. But anybody who believes anything

650
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:17.800
<v Speaker 3>prior to the nineteen sixties doesn't think that there's any

651
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.320
<v Speaker 3>way that the pope could change moral law. And yet

652
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.159
<v Speaker 3>here we have a very clear example. And this is

653
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 3>not new to Francis by the way. It was John

654
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Paul who championed anti death penalty teachings twenty years ago exactly.

655
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<v Speaker 1>So that's a good point that you should bring, you know,

656
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>if you can change a moral teaching. And again you

657
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>have contradicting bowles and encyclicals, and this is very affirmative.

658
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>So again, people who always deny the Excasuto stuff.

659
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<v Speaker 3>The factory love the way you said it. You said

660
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.199
<v Speaker 3>it perfectly ex cathedral is in the eye of the beholder.

661
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty much a red herring. It's it's for

662
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:03.760
<v Speaker 1>people to say, oh, don't worry. You know, the book

663
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>can say whatever it wants, but it's not excateruo. So

664
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>it's fine. That is a change of fact that there's

665
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 1>been a shift in mods about the definelty here it's clear.

666
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's he makes notes about it. He says there's

667
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.599
<v Speaker 3>absolutely no usage or need for this principle anymore in

668
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:23.360
<v Speaker 3>the modern world.

669
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And the next thing is war. So here's has

670
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 1>been a vague statement, you know, quoting the as a

671
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 1>catechism saying or the Catechism says there can be some

672
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 1>level of just war, and then doing a whole gymnastics

673
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.599
<v Speaker 1>and ending up saying no longer can we can we

674
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:50.360
<v Speaker 1>condone just war? So again, is this just war? It's

675
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>bands of the Catechism says that self defense is a

676
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>just war. So yeah, you have an invigorous statement. And

677
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the tribal takes the first part of the paragraph, the

678
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.920
<v Speaker 1>moderns take the second part of the paragraph. Everybody will

679
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.320
<v Speaker 1>say it says this, and the text and cycle is

680
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<v Speaker 1>gonna upload it is that exactly And.

681
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<v Speaker 3>Isn't as a beautiful example, Yeah, of the argument that

682
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:17.679
<v Speaker 3>you and I have been making for a long time,

683
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:20.679
<v Speaker 3>which is that I thought that the office of the

684
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.920
<v Speaker 3>papacy was supposed to solve all of these basic moral quandaries,

685
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.639
<v Speaker 3>and here we have, here, we have this cyclical that

686
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 3>has completely divided the Roman Catholic world, probably right down

687
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:32.559
<v Speaker 3>the middle.

688
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. So you've got you've got another position to fight this,

689
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 1>It would be minimizing it in its context, just picking

690
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 1>it apart that none of the positions that we've seen

691
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.280
<v Speaker 1>is coherent and consistent.

692
00:45:55.360 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 3>And this is this lends to that point about it's

693
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 3>it's fine to say, oh, there are these you know,

694
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.119
<v Speaker 3>levels of dogma, right, if I pull out lud we got,

695
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:12.679
<v Speaker 3>I've got sententious surde defide, right, these different levels of

696
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.480
<v Speaker 3>different propositions. Oh, that that one fits into that. But

697
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 3>the problem is that in the individual mind of the

698
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Catholic it's not clear when the encyclical is at what

699
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 3>level you see within the encyclical. Right, So for example,

700
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.639
<v Speaker 3>if the pote within encyclical is say, talking about the Trinity,

701
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.039
<v Speaker 3>well that's defide, even though it's in an encyclical which

702
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 3>is ordinary teaching, it's still defide because he's talking about

703
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.760
<v Speaker 3>a doctrine that's da fide. But then he starts getting

704
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:44.679
<v Speaker 3>into other topics. Now, the individual Catholic at a subjective

705
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.880
<v Speaker 3>level is in an existential problem, a quandary, because he's

706
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 3>not in any better privileged position to know a priori

707
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 3>as he's reading through this encyclical where the various paragraphs

708
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 3>and by the way, this has over a hundred plus paragraphs, right,

709
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 3>is this paragraph under DeFi day right? Or the lower levels?

710
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Is it universal order? So it doesn't matter, it's it's

711
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.800
<v Speaker 3>in other words, just saying that we have the pope

712
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.119
<v Speaker 3>and these levels of dogma is not going to ensure

713
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 3>that in any the actual instance of reading and interpreting

714
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:24.000
<v Speaker 3>the papal encyclical, that you're going to accurately classify the

715
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:28.320
<v Speaker 3>different sections and sentences and paragraphs and dogmas of the encyclical.

716
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 3>So it moves the problem back a step. That's what

717
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:35.639
<v Speaker 3>we've been saying for so long that obviously this whole thing,

718
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 3>this office, this power, all this stuff doesn't do what

719
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.719
<v Speaker 3>it's supposed to do. Look at the whole Catholic world

720
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 3>right now, and what do they always say to us

721
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 3>you guys are divided. You guys are divided. No, no, no,

722
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.599
<v Speaker 3>we're way more united than you are. Do we have problems?

723
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

724
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 3>Are there patriarchs that excommunicate one another, Yes, that's happened

725
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.679
<v Speaker 3>in every century of the Church almost, But that's not

726
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 3>the same thing as throwing all of your eggs in

727
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:04.760
<v Speaker 3>the one basket, putting it all on a house of cards.

728
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Of what that guy does?

729
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:14.840
<v Speaker 1>We follow that guy, Yeah, exactly. So we've seen patriar

730
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:18.239
<v Speaker 1>engaging in squabbling. Actually, that's a light motive for the

731
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:26.119
<v Speaker 1>truth for the centuries. We've never seen patriarch literally changing morals, right, because.

732
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 4>That's a great point.

733
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we haven't seen something of that level. I mean,

734
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:33.760
<v Speaker 3>there's really no precedent for this kind of stuff in

735
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:35.719
<v Speaker 3>the history of the Church. I think you will get

736
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 3>a kick out of this. I just pulled up a

737
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.760
<v Speaker 3>headline that says, Steck, you're gonna love this. It says,

738
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:47.559
<v Speaker 3>Vatican Bay bank chief says latest scandals are true proof

739
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:55.559
<v Speaker 3>of reform. So the scandals of the Vatican Bank are

740
00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:01.079
<v Speaker 3>proof that it's being reformed. Right, So this kind of Orwellian, funny,

741
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:06.039
<v Speaker 3>sort of duplicitous headline reminds me of latest scandals in

742
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.480
<v Speaker 3>the church are proof that we're the true church, right,

743
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 3>because we wouldn't have the pedo crisis if we weren't

744
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.599
<v Speaker 3>being persecuted by the devil. It's so clear.

745
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, correct, So this is just displaying changes. And again

746
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the defenses are showing that there's no unity, and you

747
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>have clergy arguing over written giving good arguments, but none

748
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.039
<v Speaker 1>of them came to can come to the syntheses, which

749
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:42.320
<v Speaker 1>is the changes moral pope doesn't need as properly.

750
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Right, So the very thing that the papacy was supposed

751
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.880
<v Speaker 3>to do, the whole entire and by the way, remember

752
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.159
<v Speaker 3>they always make the argument about the practical side. You know,

753
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.679
<v Speaker 3>the Orthodox Church is not practical because you don't have

754
00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.840
<v Speaker 3>the easy one to punch solution of just the appeal.

755
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.719
<v Speaker 3>And look and see what the Bishop Rome says. And

756
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 3>here we have sixty plus years of total confusion and chaos, madness,

757
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:14.239
<v Speaker 3>dying numbers of the church in the West, plummeting numbers

758
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 3>of seminarians, monasteries closing, convents, closing, Catholic schools, closing, being sued,

759
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.280
<v Speaker 3>going out of business, going bankrupt, and yet they're going

760
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:28.320
<v Speaker 3>to tell us that no, no, it's all just liberal media.

761
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:34.280
<v Speaker 3>There's the liberal media attacking the church. Really, really, is

762
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.440
<v Speaker 3>it not the heads of the church Perhaps that pioneer

763
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:41.920
<v Speaker 3>and champion this liberalism. I mean, maybe that's part of

764
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.880
<v Speaker 3>the issue here, So let's move on. In the encyclical,

765
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.719
<v Speaker 3>he goes on to say, after he talks about the

766
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.000
<v Speaker 3>transnational banking power, he says, we have grown indifferent to

767
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:59.280
<v Speaker 3>human wastefulness, wasting of food, and this is deplorable. Now, yeah, okay,

768
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Speaker 3>it's deplorable to waste food, but is what is why

769
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 3>is he bringing this? I mean, the problems in the

770
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 3>world that we have, and he's he's worried about wasting food. Now,

771
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 3>he's not talking about the problems of man's spirit. You

772
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.559
<v Speaker 3>remember when Jesus is walking around in John six and

773
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 3>he talks about the Lord's Supper and he talks about

774
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.599
<v Speaker 3>body and blood and this kind of stuff, and the

775
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 3>crowd is just interested in a free meal. And it

776
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.840
<v Speaker 3>says that many of them walked away because the stuff

777
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 3>he was saying was weird and hard to accept, and

778
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:41.440
<v Speaker 3>it says they were just kind of looking for a

779
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 3>free meal ticket. Now, what does Francis to his incyclcal

780
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:48.400
<v Speaker 3>is the very opposite, which begins with all this humanitarian

781
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 3>stuff and how we need to you know, basically erect

782
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:58.360
<v Speaker 3>this into poverty, erect this feeding of the global population.

783
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 3>And again I'm not saying that there's not a problem

784
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:05.199
<v Speaker 3>with those things, but that is not what Jesus told

785
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:06.920
<v Speaker 3>us to do. He did tell us to feed the poor,

786
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.679
<v Speaker 3>to give alms, absolutely, but that's in the context of

787
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:14.199
<v Speaker 3>the teaching of an expansion of the church. This is

788
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 3>in the context of social gospel. Right, and then maybe

789
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:21.559
<v Speaker 3>down the road talk about you know, or maybe not,

790
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:24.280
<v Speaker 3>maybe not even talk about theology. I mean, the encyclical

791
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:27.599
<v Speaker 3>begins by saying, don't argue theology. You know, Francis of

792
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:32.480
<v Speaker 3>ASISI didn't argue theology, he just did works. But you're

793
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:35.920
<v Speaker 3>gonna have both, right, There's no dialectic between teaching the

794
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.000
<v Speaker 3>truth or doing good works. It's both together, right, You're

795
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:39.760
<v Speaker 3>gonna have both.

796
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And that's the classic stuff about humanism or

797
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:56.079
<v Speaker 1>thing into into this Lukeum politics is just using principles

798
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:59.880
<v Speaker 1>that were supposed to be used for the Christian communities

799
00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:02.519
<v Speaker 1>in the world as a whole, if God as a

800
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:06.000
<v Speaker 1>starting point, in God as an end, and just transpose

801
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:11.119
<v Speaker 1>it to the political. Oh, we need to stop global warming,

802
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:15.280
<v Speaker 1>we need to stop all wars, but for political reasons,

803
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:22.679
<v Speaker 1>and then that's just usurping the work of God. We

804
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:25.360
<v Speaker 1>believe in in the regeneration of the world. We believe in,

805
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, the end of pollution and death and stuff

806
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:32.760
<v Speaker 1>like this, but not through medicine and you know, but

807
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.960
<v Speaker 1>through mystical means, through believing in God.

808
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.639
<v Speaker 3>Then he moves on to talk about if you practice

809
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:46.719
<v Speaker 3>self defense, if you want borders, this is racist and

810
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:50.360
<v Speaker 3>we need an open borders policy which will allow inclusion.

811
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:55.639
<v Speaker 3>We need anthropological visions that do not work on profit

812
00:53:56.000 --> 00:54:04.840
<v Speaker 3>profit based income models. Now I'm sorry, Francis, but you've

813
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:09.079
<v Speaker 3>got a Vatican Bank that deals in gigantic profits and

814
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:12.159
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna tell me that it's time to stop dealing

815
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:17.880
<v Speaker 3>in profit based economic models. I'm sorry, I just I

816
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.360
<v Speaker 3>can't stomach that. It's just ludicrous on the face of it.

817
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.039
<v Speaker 3>Then he moves on to say that the organization of

818
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:30.679
<v Speaker 3>societies is far from reflecting clearly the denigration or a

819
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.559
<v Speaker 3>shoot me, the equality and dignity of women. Feminism comes

820
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:38.559
<v Speaker 3>in here. We get the world and its economic structures

821
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:44.960
<v Speaker 3>excludes women. Now I'm sorry, but feminism is not the

822
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:49.239
<v Speaker 3>main problem in the world. In fact, feminism, he should know,

823
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 3>is a weapon. Feminists hate him. They see him as

824
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:59.119
<v Speaker 3>the image of patriarchy, even though that's ironic because he's

825
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.440
<v Speaker 3>an ally of their but just in terms of him

826
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 3>being a man in a position of authority, and here

827
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.000
<v Speaker 3>he is clearly throwing a bone to the feminists. And

828
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<v Speaker 3>paragraph twenty three that so basically, this entire and cyclical

829
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<v Speaker 3>is nothing but social justice. It's all about all the

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00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:21.519
<v Speaker 3>different ways that you should feel guilty. You should feel

831
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:24.760
<v Speaker 3>guilty for having a nation, you should feel guilty for

832
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:28.559
<v Speaker 3>if you're a man, for you've mistreated women. You should

833
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.519
<v Speaker 3>feel guilty if you have possessions. Again coming from a

834
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:34.800
<v Speaker 3>guy in a giant damn palace, all right, literally a

835
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:39.960
<v Speaker 3>palace with you know, thirty security guard details and treasurer

836
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:43.840
<v Speaker 3>beyond anyone's imagination. I mean, who could put a value

837
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.199
<v Speaker 3>on the assisting chapel or any of these you know,

838
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 3>there's priceless, right, just that stuff. Probably the wealthiest institution

839
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.599
<v Speaker 3>in the world would be my guess if you were

840
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.360
<v Speaker 3>to you know, how could you tabulate the value of

841
00:55:58.440 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 3>these cathedrals?

842
00:55:59.320 --> 00:55:59.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean?

843
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Right, So here he is telling you that you should

844
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:06.719
<v Speaker 3>feel bad for having a nation state and wanting to

845
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:11.199
<v Speaker 3>have borders. It's just ludicrous. The Vatican has the Leonine Wall, right,

846
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Pope Leo erected this gigantic wall around the Vatican. It's

847
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:19.559
<v Speaker 3>still there, right, not the entire wall, but the Leonine

848
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.159
<v Speaker 3>Wall is there's you know, you can see big gigantic

849
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.280
<v Speaker 3>it looks like it's fifty feet tall, right, Like, I mean,

850
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 3>he's got Swiss guard, he's got thirty security Secret Service

851
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:35.400
<v Speaker 3>guys around him, and he's gonna tell us that we

852
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.960
<v Speaker 3>should feel bad for a quit. He calls a culture

853
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:41.679
<v Speaker 3>of walls, building a culture of walls. And what he's

854
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:44.480
<v Speaker 3>done in this this whole thing here is take Francis

855
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.920
<v Speaker 3>of ASSISI and turn him into this model of like

856
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:51.000
<v Speaker 3>social justice. And that's not what France of a Cisi did.

857
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't even care about frances of a cc but

858
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.920
<v Speaker 3>it's not even true to Francis of ASISI. Like he

859
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.119
<v Speaker 3>he didn't go over there to tear down and cultural walls.

860
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:06.559
<v Speaker 3>He went to convert Muslims. It's just ludicrous. I mean,

861
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:10.480
<v Speaker 3>here's the Leonine Wall around the Vatican, and this is

862
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:12.519
<v Speaker 3>the guy telling that you think you could scale that

863
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.159
<v Speaker 3>right as France is going to be letting migrants up

864
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.280
<v Speaker 3>in there to sleep on the floor.

865
00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, this is actually he's opened the

866
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.800
<v Speaker 1>migrant charity. But in Rome, that's gonna be our problem

867
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.320
<v Speaker 1>for the Italians.

868
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 3>In the Vatican City of course.

869
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:33.840
<v Speaker 1>And again, you know, just before weak counterarguments come in,

870
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.880
<v Speaker 1>we believe it's fine for the church money. We believe

871
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:40.400
<v Speaker 1>it's fine for you know, church to be adorned, and

872
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.679
<v Speaker 1>that's part of the liturgy, even though we've been relaying

873
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:50.440
<v Speaker 1>less on gold and the patriarchal crown, you know, not

874
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:56.719
<v Speaker 1>filled with jewels anymore. But historically, when we've been faced

875
00:57:56.719 --> 00:58:02.599
<v Speaker 1>with this, for example during the communist times or even

876
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:05.519
<v Speaker 1>more recently with what happening in Grease, you know, the

877
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 1>economic crisis, the church was forgiving debts. The Church was

878
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:14.079
<v Speaker 1>selling you know, the non essential saying or you know,

879
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.239
<v Speaker 1>selling all the the gold and the silver on the

880
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:22.000
<v Speaker 1>on the icons, just just keeping the essential. So and

881
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.800
<v Speaker 1>again you know, not not doing it for migrants, help

882
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:30.400
<v Speaker 1>the world overs that are been weaponized, but helping locally,

883
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and we have saying helped. We even have examples of

884
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Saint had been migrants and stuff. But always in this

885
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:43.119
<v Speaker 1>idea of local spirit and not you know, international vertice

886
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:44.960
<v Speaker 1>signal exactly.

887
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:48.239
<v Speaker 3>And this is where he gets really hypocritical when he

888
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:54.480
<v Speaker 3>comes into the section about migrants and xenophobia. The problem

889
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:57.679
<v Speaker 3>is not that we can't recognize human dignity in other people.

890
00:58:57.800 --> 00:58:59.960
<v Speaker 3>The problem is that the argument is fallacious. You are

891
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.599
<v Speaker 3>argument is that because other human beings share human nature

892
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:07.480
<v Speaker 3>that therefore there cannot and should not be walls. Well,

893
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:10.440
<v Speaker 3>as we said, that would lead to the conclusion that

894
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:14.800
<v Speaker 3>my family is not really my family. The family is

895
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:20.039
<v Speaker 3>therefore a capitalist perhaps or some sort of social construct

896
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:24.719
<v Speaker 3>that lends to fascism. If you read the What's the

897
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:32.559
<v Speaker 3>Wilhelm Reich and the other critical theorist Marxist Frankfurt School

898
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 3>critical theorists, they have whole books about how the family

899
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:39.880
<v Speaker 3>is really the origin of this idea of private property

900
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.599
<v Speaker 3>and passing on a heritage and lineage of tradition, and

901
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.840
<v Speaker 3>so therefore we really have to destroy the family, and

902
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.599
<v Speaker 3>the way to do that is destroy the father. So,

903
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Francis is just completely on board with the

904
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.880
<v Speaker 3>presubpositions of the Frankfurt School Marxist here, which is just

905
00:59:57.079 --> 00:59:59.320
<v Speaker 3>kind of I mean, to me, it's not mind blowing

906
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:00.719
<v Speaker 3>because of about a and has been doing this for

907
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:03.519
<v Speaker 3>a long time. The Vatican has a millennia of innovating,

908
01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.840
<v Speaker 3>so it's not surprising that they've just innovated to the

909
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:10.360
<v Speaker 3>point of basically being Frankfurt School Marxist critical theorists, pointing

910
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:17.440
<v Speaker 3>out that that to have a notion of illegal immigration,

911
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:25.119
<v Speaker 3>he says, he says, is dehumanizing. So does Francis realize

912
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:28.000
<v Speaker 3>that all of these other countries that he's allied with

913
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:32.039
<v Speaker 3>have really strict immigration. I mean, is he going to

914
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:35.679
<v Speaker 3>apply that to China? I mean, China has I've been

915
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:41.000
<v Speaker 3>pretty sure pretty strict immigration policies. I mean, is Saudi

916
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Arabia also under this condemnation of France's for retaining and

917
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.599
<v Speaker 3>having Bard. I mean, it's just ludicrous, right, it's obviously

918
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:54.199
<v Speaker 3>only directed at like the West, perhaps America and I

919
01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:56.360
<v Speaker 3>would do share a lot of these critiques of America,

920
01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:59.239
<v Speaker 3>by the way, when it comes to international capitalism, but

921
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:01.480
<v Speaker 3>not on the acs that Francis has.

922
01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:08.760
<v Speaker 1>What do you think, I think it's a bittypocritical. We've

923
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:13.320
<v Speaker 1>seen historically, you know, papal decisions pertaining to expelling some

924
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.119
<v Speaker 1>some people, even not not migrants, you know, but for example,

925
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:21.320
<v Speaker 1>expelling Jews and so on from from the paper state.

926
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Good point. And again.

927
01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:28.119
<v Speaker 1>The Church never denied the rights of the of the

928
01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:33.199
<v Speaker 1>states to apply some policies. For example, you can look,

929
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:34.519
<v Speaker 1>for example, that's the death penalty.

930
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Where was this in the last In fact, there are

931
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.960
<v Speaker 3>papal bulls about death penalty exactly for a certain sense.

932
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Even there's a Roman empire, you know, we're saying that said, well,

933
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it's polycops saying, well, it got the right

934
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:49.920
<v Speaker 1>to kill me. Uh, and you've got the right to

935
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:53.480
<v Speaker 1>ex the death penalty on people. But you're just you're

936
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:54.519
<v Speaker 1>just wrong in killing me.

937
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:58.719
<v Speaker 3>But well, I mean the post Treadentine period, there are

938
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:03.639
<v Speaker 3>post Treadentine about the death penalty for certain even for clerics,

939
01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:07.440
<v Speaker 3>for certain serious sins. So this is just ludicrous on

940
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.239
<v Speaker 3>the face of it. But he goes on then to

941
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:15.159
<v Speaker 3>say that if you talk about fake news, quote unquote,

942
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.159
<v Speaker 3>you're spreading hate. Well we know who that's directed against. Right,

943
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:24.039
<v Speaker 3>That one's not hard to figure out. But so we're

944
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 3>going to have to make this a somewhat short stream

945
01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:29.599
<v Speaker 3>today because we've got about halfway into this in cyclical

946
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:33.119
<v Speaker 3>let's come back and do the second half, because there's

947
01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:35.800
<v Speaker 3>some really there's some zingers in the second half. But

948
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 3>the most important one that I want to point out

949
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:41.840
<v Speaker 3>in the second half of the encyclical is towards the end,

950
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.760
<v Speaker 3>which is what all the trads were denying, which is

951
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:50.000
<v Speaker 3>clear as day. It's right there that it's a Unitarian,

952
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:57.199
<v Speaker 3>anti Trinitarian friendly prayer. Now, we've never seen, to my knowledge,

953
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.440
<v Speaker 3>anything like this yet. I've never seen. I mean, I've

954
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:05.360
<v Speaker 3>looked at Vatican documents for a long time. We're not

955
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.920
<v Speaker 3>halfway're almost halfway, so I should say we've got a

956
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:09.360
<v Speaker 3>little ways to go to get halfway.

957
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:10.360
<v Speaker 1>But the.

958
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:13.719
<v Speaker 3>I've got a tutoring session that I got to do

959
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:15.280
<v Speaker 3>at five, But I would like to come back and

960
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.000
<v Speaker 3>cover the rest of this and sick if you can

961
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:18.480
<v Speaker 3>do it in the next few.

962
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Days any time.

963
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:24.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, he's got right. So he's got here. Let's

964
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.920
<v Speaker 3>look at this. The first prayer quote unquote is a Unitarian,

965
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:32.880
<v Speaker 3>non Trinitarian, and I think it's Muslim friendly prayer if

966
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:36.239
<v Speaker 3>we think of the context of the meeting with the

967
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:41.159
<v Speaker 3>Grande mom to me, yeah, and well, but Muslims don't

968
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:46.119
<v Speaker 3>conceive of God as father. Well, there are Muslim articles

969
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.119
<v Speaker 3>I've found where they say that in a limited sense,

970
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:51.519
<v Speaker 3>you can use that phraseology just as long as you

971
01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:55.079
<v Speaker 3>don't mean it in say, the Christian sense. So I'm

972
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:59.360
<v Speaker 3>not even sure that that's never used. I mean, they

973
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:00.800
<v Speaker 3>don't have our reception obviously.

974
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Actually e comenical dialogue. In comical the Muslim will have

975
01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:09.559
<v Speaker 1>no because you know, the phase is the Bible and

976
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.239
<v Speaker 1>God being being used as a father. So there is

977
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:17.239
<v Speaker 1>part of the tradition that say, yeah, God is his father,

978
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:22.320
<v Speaker 1>to know one is not forgotten, he's a beget. But again,

979
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:26.800
<v Speaker 1>in dialogue and especially when engaging in in the Bible,

980
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 1>they will often accept the idea of God as father.

981
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:34.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's more recent. And I'm pretty sure that a

982
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:38.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, great Movit of Egypt would be would be

983
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:39.719
<v Speaker 1>fine if the formulation.

984
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Is probably, I mean, he's he's probably who Francis had

985
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:46.639
<v Speaker 3>in mind when he can when he concocted this prayer, Lord,

986
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Father of human family of our you created human beings

987
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:53.599
<v Speaker 3>equal in dignity blah blah blahlah blah ah. And and

988
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:57.760
<v Speaker 3>and even if it's not a Muslim friendly prayer, it's

989
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:01.119
<v Speaker 3>an anti Trinitarian Unitarian friendly prayer, you see. So it

990
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.360
<v Speaker 3>doesn't really matter, right, because the principle still holds that.

991
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.960
<v Speaker 3>This is the first time we've seen encyclicals allowing for,

992
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:14.199
<v Speaker 3>as you pointed out, the concentric notions of communion. Right. So, well,

993
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:16.880
<v Speaker 3>we've got the Roman Catholic Church maybe that's the higher

994
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:20.320
<v Speaker 3>level of communion, and then we've got the Orthodox that

995
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.119
<v Speaker 3>are close to us but maybe outside a little bit

996
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:27.960
<v Speaker 3>of the Roman sphere through not accepting the Pope. And

997
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:29.599
<v Speaker 3>then we got the Protestants kind of out in this

998
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.920
<v Speaker 3>outer sphere. And then we've got you know, the Muslims

999
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:36.719
<v Speaker 3>and the other religions out here. So there's this scale

1000
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.840
<v Speaker 3>of being of communion which is completely ludicrous, completely foreign

1001
01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:44.000
<v Speaker 3>to everything in the whole history of the Church, all

1002
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:48.840
<v Speaker 3>the ecumenical councils, no notion of this concentric circles of communion.

1003
01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:53.239
<v Speaker 3>It's a totally ecumenical Vatican to invention. And that's why

1004
01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:59.559
<v Speaker 3>this encyclical moves from the Unitarian prayer to the next level,

1005
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.559
<v Speaker 3>which which is the ecumenical prayer. You see that, you

1006
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:04.960
<v Speaker 3>see the move he did there. Now, I don't know

1007
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:08.800
<v Speaker 3>why the Roman Catholics can't see that this is obviously

1008
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.360
<v Speaker 3>what he's doing. It's obvious that this isn't ensyclical directed

1009
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:16.360
<v Speaker 3>towards the people who are Unitarian first to pray with us,

1010
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:20.800
<v Speaker 3>and the people who are perhaps Trinitarian but not Roman

1011
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Catholic to pray with us. This is concentric circles and

1012
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:29.480
<v Speaker 3>spheres of communion. It's obvious. And this is not orthodox,

1013
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:34.760
<v Speaker 3>it's heterodox. Obviously, we don't engage in public liturgical prayers

1014
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:38.159
<v Speaker 3>and actions with those who are heterodox, are outside the church.

1015
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Excles this idea of yeah concentric. So yeah, room itself

1016
01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:54.599
<v Speaker 1>and you know a little bit separated the Apostolics, the

1017
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.960
<v Speaker 1>prost and and everybody. And people will ponder out and say, oh,

1018
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:02.280
<v Speaker 1>this is Prey's party. Fine, yes, yes, it is fine.

1019
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:05.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, we believe that God is a creator and

1020
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:07.440
<v Speaker 1>you're just bringing just approach to the Father is a

1021
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:11.360
<v Speaker 1>praise that Christ gives. Again, we do not believe in

1022
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:20.639
<v Speaker 1>generic truth. Yeah, you know, it's been composed. Ever since

1023
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.280
<v Speaker 1>we've clarified the dog Mans of Trinity has been tritarion,

1024
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and even every every single present without you know, after

1025
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the Gospel.

1026
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:33.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean there's a section in there's a.

1027
01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Section is specifically.

1028
01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:40.280
<v Speaker 3>There's a section in Assuma where Thomas is discussing apostasy,

1029
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:42.719
<v Speaker 3>and one of the examples that he gives is that

1030
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:45.519
<v Speaker 3>if if any man were to go and pray at

1031
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.840
<v Speaker 3>the tomb of Mohammed, he would buy that action be

1032
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.760
<v Speaker 3>committing an action of apostasy and thereby forfeiting his Roman

1033
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:56.440
<v Speaker 3>Catholic faith. So even the traditional Catholic notion of what

1034
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<v Speaker 3>constitutes apostasy has already been far surpassed by the Vatican

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<v Speaker 3>Two papacy. The Vatican two popes have gone into the

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<v Speaker 3>moss and prayed towards Mecca. And I've shown this to

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<v Speaker 3>trads and like, what's wrong with this? What's wrong with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, consistent trads, more consistent trads obviously realize that

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<v Speaker 3>that's apostasy, it's any it's obviously, on the face of

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01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:21.760
<v Speaker 3>it apostasy. But the ones who try to cope it

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01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:25.279
<v Speaker 3>will say, well, he's just praying, doesn't matter. You can't

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<v Speaker 3>engage in public acts right like that and not express

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<v Speaker 3>publicly the inner disposition of faith that you have. That's

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<v Speaker 3>classic Catholic theology is that the public actions express the

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01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.520
<v Speaker 3>inner disposition. And if you're a cleric or a person

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01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:45.640
<v Speaker 3>of public authority. It's all the more meaningful and all

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01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.800
<v Speaker 3>the more symbolic and significant and dangerous when you do

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<v Speaker 3>those actions. That's classic Catholic moral theology.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And the big problem is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people who take these scuratures and creators that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>more befitting of a muscle are freemason and say, oh,

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01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:07.960
<v Speaker 1>it's technically fine, therefore thing's all right. No, there is

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01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:11.119
<v Speaker 1>this mindset is familiar that you need to take into

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<v Speaker 1>into consideration. In context, this means a lot. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the classical stuff that a lot of Catholic will say,

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<v Speaker 1>like literally divorce the words from the people who watch

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01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:25.319
<v Speaker 1>them and the context in which you were written. And again,

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01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, coming from the people that always declare having

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01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:36.640
<v Speaker 1>true tradition, having living tradition, this is a really weird

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01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:41.600
<v Speaker 1>way to literally divorce the life of your church from

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<v Speaker 1>what exactly says.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm going to add, by the way, SNAXT twenty

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<v Speaker 3>minute analysis to the show description here in a little bit,

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01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:53.359
<v Speaker 3>but we'll read the super chat and then we'll conclude

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<v Speaker 3>with the first I guess it's the first third of

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<v Speaker 3>the encirclcle and then come back maybe to finish the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of it, because there's a lot more gems in here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's pretty wild. It's it's again I think I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's next level beyond Vatican too. It's the logic

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01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:12.359
<v Speaker 3>of Pacha Mama even further. So, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what if that kind of stuff doesn't convince a

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<v Speaker 3>Roman Catholic, then nothing will.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and again, remember what we're saying right now, the

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<v Speaker 1>next one is going to use what you didn't like

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01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:31.439
<v Speaker 1>from this one, because that's what this one did the

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01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:34.840
<v Speaker 1>last one. So again, you know, this is predictions time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was I was writing some money. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think on the discord I put, I put on

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<v Speaker 1>the icon and says this is going to be, this

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01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:44.960
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be this, uh, this is cyclical, and it's

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01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna say this exists and it's gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Oyeah, you called.

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01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:54.039
<v Speaker 1>I was writing the money. That's why it works. That's

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01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:56.680
<v Speaker 1>so it works. And and and people are going to

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01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:58.520
<v Speaker 1>use a great area. People are going to use the

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01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:01.079
<v Speaker 1>bones that have been thrown. But that's not the ways

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01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the train's going, you know. So burns are just get

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01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:05.199
<v Speaker 1>to come down to chats and they're just jumping on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to see that it's a second part.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's one section that's great because they will

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01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.760
<v Speaker 1>quote one sentence to say it's based and the rest

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01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:17.560
<v Speaker 1>is absolutely horrendous. But yeah, let's go into the super

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01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:19.960
<v Speaker 1>chats and we've definitely gone out a second talk with this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's say that for part two. I gotta do

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01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:24.399
<v Speaker 3>tutoring here in a minute. But first super chat is

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<v Speaker 3>Duke of Earl for ten dollars. She says, bless you

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<v Speaker 3>both for having actually read this document. I've still got

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01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:33.359
<v Speaker 3>more to go, so I'm only about halfway reading wise,

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<v Speaker 3>and we only got about a third of the way in.

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<v Speaker 3>But thank you for that, Duke, much appreciate. Jordan, five dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the role of the Jesuit infiltration in the church

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01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.079
<v Speaker 3>and how do we refer to how is it relevant

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01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:51.239
<v Speaker 3>to the Black Pope? I can't. I would over Malachai

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01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Martin's Jesuit book. Now, Malachai Martin's book on the Jesuits

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01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:57.680
<v Speaker 3>is relevant because it discusses the topics that you're bringing up.

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01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:01.159
<v Speaker 3>But Malachi Martin is not a reliable witness or character.

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01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:05.479
<v Speaker 3>He's fairly dubious. But it is relevant to if you

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01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:07.239
<v Speaker 3>take if you keep that in mind when you read

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01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:11.439
<v Speaker 3>his book Jesuits. But this book that I just covered

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01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:14.800
<v Speaker 3>is much better for this issue from a not from

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01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:18.319
<v Speaker 3>a crazy conspiracy perspective, but written by a lawyer who's

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01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.399
<v Speaker 3>documenting this in like a thousand pages. So that's a

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01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:25.760
<v Speaker 3>much better approach than this sort of fantastical sensationalist, you know,

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01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:31.000
<v Speaker 3>goofy evangelical approach to Jesuits. Wimhoff's books far better, And

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01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:33.560
<v Speaker 3>I just did a whole two hours on that first.

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01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:35.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know a third of that book the other day,

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01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:38.319
<v Speaker 3>so you can go watch that, but thank you for that, Jordan,

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<v Speaker 3>and that. Keufer's focus five dollars. He says China and

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01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:46.359
<v Speaker 3>its relation here is interesting given the their global history,

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<v Speaker 3>they're also the king of syncretism one world religion. I

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01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:56.680
<v Speaker 3>don't know much about China's religious history. I mean, I

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01:12:56.840 --> 01:12:59.520
<v Speaker 3>know a little bit about Confucianism and that kind of stuff, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't know a whole lot about the different

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01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:06.359
<v Speaker 3>degrees of syncretism there. Obviously, there's emperor worship and that

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01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:09.399
<v Speaker 3>kind of stuff, and I'm sure that had syncretistic elements

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01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.720
<v Speaker 3>ancestor worship, but I don't think it would that wouldn't

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01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:17.319
<v Speaker 3>necessarily be the model for global religion. It's a little

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01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:22.279
<v Speaker 3>too regionalized. I think they're probably just going to shoot

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01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:24.840
<v Speaker 3>for some kind of generic perennialism, right, I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>usually where the attempts that one world religion goes is

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01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:32.760
<v Speaker 3>just whatever's the most generic, you know, kind of new

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01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:36.119
<v Speaker 3>ag blend them altogether type of thing. But who knows,

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01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:38.199
<v Speaker 3>we'll have to see. Sneck. What do you think about

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01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:41.399
<v Speaker 3>what are the what are the great contenders? Maybe Chris Lom,

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01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:47.399
<v Speaker 3>Maybe the the mixing of Christianity with Islam into some

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01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:50.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of Chris Lom could be a great contender. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, First, a small word for suggest with question actually

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01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.680
<v Speaker 1>GeTe as a great stufference is it's only in friendship

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01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:04.000
<v Speaker 1>skin through it a little bit. It explains that Jesuits

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01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:08.199
<v Speaker 1>come and their goal is to install themselves in positions

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01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:11.119
<v Speaker 1>of power and centralize it. And actually they've been instrumental

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01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and centralizing the forests of papacy and today people who

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01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:17.840
<v Speaker 1>are being papal extremists just with you know, James Martin

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01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:22.119
<v Speaker 1>for example, and it's probably one of the better representative

1146
01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:25.880
<v Speaker 1>of Jesuits today. So they're instrumental in all this and

1147
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:30.079
<v Speaker 1>obviously it goes their way and they've they've been working

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01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:32.439
<v Speaker 1>on this since the beginning, you know, there would not

1149
01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:35.239
<v Speaker 1>be a papacy. Has been understanding that the just with

1150
01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:37.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, people were acting as a direct militia for

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01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:38.439
<v Speaker 1>the perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're kind of like a special ops for the

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01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:44.439
<v Speaker 3>papers that you can look at them as like papals

1154
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:47.399
<v Speaker 3>back ops even being assassins.

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01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:50.760
<v Speaker 1>At one point recovers the history in actually the first

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01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.560
<v Speaker 1>stream I deep if you just like Jesuits, go.

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01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:56.079
<v Speaker 3>Back and watch that Jesuits dream that Snack and I did.

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01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:00.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to put his video at Orthodox defense just

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01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:04.039
<v Speaker 3>now into the show description on kind of the overview

1160
01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:05.680
<v Speaker 3>of for Telly two D if you want to go

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01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:07.600
<v Speaker 3>watch that, because he does touch on quite a few

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01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:10.359
<v Speaker 3>things that that we didn't touch on tonight that I

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01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:13.079
<v Speaker 3>rambled on. So anyway, that's all the super chests for

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01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:15.880
<v Speaker 3>right now. Thank you guys for that, and we'll be

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01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:17.560
<v Speaker 3>back in a couple of days to cover the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of this in cyclical and thank you Snack, and thank

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01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:22.359
<v Speaker 3>you everybody in the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a super chat that was still maybe we

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01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:28.560
<v Speaker 1>can cover this, so it was still a super your

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01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:29.640
<v Speaker 1>close to the stream.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I haven't closed it, but I only see one, two,

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01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:34.199
<v Speaker 3>three super chests.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, but yeah, you talked about Chris Lam and

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01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to comment, and okay, ah, there is a

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01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:45.760
<v Speaker 1>plan for it, and I I think I've seen some

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01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:49.319
<v Speaker 1>some credits talk about this, and today as we speak

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01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that people who try to reproach you know, Christianity and Islam,

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01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:59.399
<v Speaker 1>namely around the MC conception. So there is our claims

1179
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:02.520
<v Speaker 1>that the MC conception isn't the current, which first of all,

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01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Muslims don't have a Christianity standing of original sin, and

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01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:08.960
<v Speaker 1>second of all, the current doesn't say this. The current

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01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:16.439
<v Speaker 1>says that she was purified, not conceived pure. But this exists,

1183
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:19.479
<v Speaker 1>and people used to do it for ecologics. In today's

1184
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:22.479
<v Speaker 1>they're doing it for approachment. You know, both of them

1185
01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:26.119
<v Speaker 1>talk about Mary a lot. So Chrislam is a possibility.

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01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:30.359
<v Speaker 1>I doubt that Confucianism is still relevant. You know, China

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01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:32.880
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work like this anymore, even though it's syncretistic and

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01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:38.000
<v Speaker 1>try to harmonize things. But I think it's basically going

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01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:38.840
<v Speaker 1>to be perennalism.

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01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:43.239
<v Speaker 3>But left wing, Yeah, liberal, that's a good one. By

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01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:46.039
<v Speaker 3>the way, if you're wondering why we only did half

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01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:48.560
<v Speaker 3>of this in cyclical or the first third, it's really long.

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01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:52.439
<v Speaker 3>This is actually a small book, so it's not a

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01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:55.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, ten page in cyclical or something like that.

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01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:59.319
<v Speaker 3>It's a small book. It's really long, so that's why

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01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:03.000
<v Speaker 3>we're splitting it up anyway. But thank you everybody, and

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<v Speaker 3>we'll come back in the next few days. Have a

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01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:06.199
<v Speaker 3>good night.
