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Speaker 3: Our anthropology is not derived by human psychology or you know,

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apirical data from M I T or something like this.

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in pristology. And so there's no real way to diagnose

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man's problem and understand man and man's anthropology, as I said,

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without the right theology, n a.

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Speaker 4: Fuck instead of my hey, hey, you're live, so hold on.

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Speaker 3: Sorry. By the way, you might want to change.

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Speaker 4: It says your name to bust my your must hey,

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it says your name.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to change?

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Speaker 4: Excuse meet me repeat the can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, we can do it tonight. It's not

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a problem. Sorry for delaying, but yeah we still have

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to write that way before it's fall.

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Speaker 3: Where you go?

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Speaker 5: Sure, okay, all right, welcome to get another episode of

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Speaker 3: We've got our friend Snack in the house. How you doing, Snack.

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Speaker 1: Doing decently? Yeah, he's good, good.

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Speaker 3: Well, Snack did a great video the other day, a

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brief rundown of the shock waves and cyclical that's going

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through the world causing such tremendous mystical unity at the

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highest levels the Roman Catholic world has demonstrated its fantabulous

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mystical unity with the Office of the Papacy and in

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particular the latest in cyclical snack.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. It's on the defense. It's

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a new channel, that's your discood, is creative, a lot

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of good stuff, very concise, and I'm going to do

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a few more videos. It's is great and yeah, Fertilituti

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has been sending shock waves, but in another way, just

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confirming a lot of stuff. So we could see it

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coming very far. Actually predicted most of what's in there

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Speaker 3: Yeah you did you We we kind of saw this

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as the logical outworking of where Pacha Mama would go.

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myself and Father Deacon. I'll have the link by the

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way to the channel where you covered the twenty minute

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analysis of the encyclical. But today maybe we'll get a

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little more in depth, put it into the bigger global

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context and see what we think is going on in

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the big picture here. I got pretty deep into it today.

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finished with, and then cyclical, but I mean I got

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the gist of it, so we can definitely get into it.

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recap if you would, Pacha Mama and the Amazon Synod

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and why you would say this might be a logical

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extension of that, and then we'll get into the details

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Speaker 1: I mean, we should even understand how the Patcha Mamma

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seen it is an extension of Vatican too. So Vatican

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two took a step and open the door to say,

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are the right in a sense, and Pata Mamma literally

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confirmed that, yes, the Pagans are right because, uh, you know,

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Earth Goddess is definitely the same typology as Mary God,

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which is a little bit of a stretch already.

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Speaker 3: Right, and pagan sacrifice the goddess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And this is just just went went away

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further and said, well, uh, we're all brothers in a

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sense that we we can pray to the same God.

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and we're gon we're going to cover that, but prayers

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that basically open an idea of communion that is just

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general Christian Treatyarian communion and communion with other just generic

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theistic or even Muslim generic monotheistic religion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it begins with uh, Francis, and Francis obviously attached

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the significance to France France of ASSISI because of his name,

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Pope Francis. And you know, I just did a very

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long three hour stream covering the Malcolm Lambert book, most

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of which actually covered the spiritual Franciscans, the Fraticelli and

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the different heresies that actually spawned from Francis's movement, even

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condemned by the Vatican for a long time in those

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medieval centuries, and they were very much influenced by Gnostic ideas.

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and had some very bizarre views. As an Orthodox person,

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a little person who undergoes the sufferings of Christ to

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become a little Christ, right obviously, Yes, in orthodoxology, you

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with him to raise, to be raised with him, to

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participate in theosis. But there's this notion beyond that in

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the Franciscan Stigmata tradition, where you actually have to suffer

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the wounds of Christ to help fulfill the ministry of Christ. Right,

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and this is where Francis's in cyclical kind of takes

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that Francis Cisi taught us. It's brotherhood. So he begins

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with this kind of generic attitude of well, because we

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have kind of this generic father, we're all brothers. And

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this is shown by the fact that when Francis ASSISI

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went to the Sultan, he didn't try to debate, he

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didn't engage in an argument or a dispute. He was

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just friendly. Now, this is not exactly accurate. Even in

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Roman Catholic traditional theology. They don't have the attitude that

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Francis didn't try to convert Saracens. Actually he did. Now

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I'm not supporting Francis, I'm just saying that doesn't even

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match up to the traditional Roman Catholic narrative. Now, it's

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been twisted to where, look, we're past the period of

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doing apologetics. We don't do debates anymore. We don't engage

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in arguments and disputes. Rather, we just have to establish friendship.

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valid ideas like friendship or camaraderie or human dignity are

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turned into these humanistic models of what now the social

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gospel is. I mean, the whole thing in the first

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ten pages reads like social gospel, which, as we will see,

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eventually kind of morphs into a not so subtle international

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quasi communism. So that's my initial take as he starts

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out with this story of how Francis did not engage

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in any disputes, apologetics or wars of words and doctrines,

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it's not even true in Roman Catho theology, and it's

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certainly not true in Orthodox theology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, he's taking premises that's okay, and just making

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many people who say it's actually tried, there's actually a

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lot of stuff that's that's pretty great. It's pretty traditional. Yeah,

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it's throwing a bone on one side, and it's making

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a step on the other side. And what step does

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he make exactly what you know, what people were thinking

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very interesting, because this is about building a new model

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step by step and creating a precedent. So I think

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in this cyclical and at the time this was just

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it just took this step. And now this step is

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the basis for the next step. So that's a you

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under a structure and you subvert it step by step,

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and and when when people will really want to defend it,

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the next and circle will be predicated on these being normative.

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noticed for many years, which is the way that you

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keep the people in line is to throw both sides

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of the dialectical bone. Throw the trads a bone here

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and there, throw the liberals a bone here and there,

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and this is a very successful tactic really to keep

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things kind of you know, underneath one agis right. It's

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another version of false dialectic. But the Vatican's very good

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at that, at gradually moving the goalpost over many decades

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while in the midst of the present moment throwing bones

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to both sides, and then they can you know, it's

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almost like a version of the Overton window phenomenon, if

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you've heard of that. But I just like that. It's

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just ironic that out the outset, it's essentially a dismissal

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of apologetics under the guise of something that is true,

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humanitarian aid, this kind of stuff. God is love and

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you have to love people, not use words. Well, this

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is a false dialectic, right. Loving someone also entails telling

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them the truth. It also entails telling them, you know,

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what Christ taught. It's not a We're not primarily in

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a gigantic social institution. That's not what the church is.

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world hunger and world poverty. In fact, Christ said the

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poor you will always have with you. So he didn't

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send the church out to be the communist warriors for

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social justice and ending global poverty. And that's what the

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syncyclical Big begins with, is the social gospel message of

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we don't need to build watch towers, fortifications and defensive

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walls and engaging war and self defense for our peoples

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or whatever. Now, again, that is just outrageous from a

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traditional Catholic perspective, because I mean, we brought this up

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before Sinek, and I'll ask you what is the real Catholicism?

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warrior bishops. Is it Pope's calling Crusades? Is it Stigmata?

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walking around talking to animals and you know, sleeping in

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tattered rags and supposedly having stigmata. Which of these is it?

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John Paul the Second praying with all the world religions?

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converting Buddhists, but rather to just you know, live a

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life of poverty. I mean, what is Catholicism really is

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it all of those and none of those. And that's

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precisely why it has such a whole on people, is

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that it can be whatever you want it to be.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, you can you can just pick and choose, and

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people will say, as long as you're following a certain theology,

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it's fine. But again, who already discussed a unit problem.

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It's absolutely not true. And people say, oh, as long

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just you know, was not in community for him, it

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would have been considered one of these bigger orders. It

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just matches all of all of the categories that these

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ultimately I will tell you it's about being in community

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real serious problem, because there's a clear evolution with morals

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of morals. Yes, this is a basis of morals. We'll

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see death penalty, the ability for us to engage in warfare.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, this is where it really hits home is

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the explicit rejection of any sense of death penalty. Now

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go ahead, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, which papercies this

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is a cruisade papacies the Francis there is no moral continuity.

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Speaker 3: And we noticed too that the principle of self defense

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is clearly connected with the principle of the self defense

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in terms of warfare, and the principle of having one's

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own nation state. And you know, Francis makes it very

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clear as he moves on in cyclical no Borders, no Wall,

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the only thing he leaves out is no USA at all. Right,

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so it's basically like half of an Antifa dictum. But

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before we get to that, he does, of course give

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duties and dignity. That's not even actually true. Not all

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human beings have the exact same duties from birth. A husband,

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a sense in which, yes, all human beings have a

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common ance during Adam, although by the way, that's not

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even necessarily believed in the Vatican anymore, but given that

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open definition of evolutionary theory, especially amongst the Jesuits. But

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setting that aside the sense in which we are brothers

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and sisters. It's very cleverly done here in where the

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way Francis will cite John's and cyclicals in Saint Paul.

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argue and dispute with one another is amongst those in

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the church. He's not saying to never have a disagreement

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or dispute with someone outside of the faith, and in

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fact if you look at the Book of Acts, how

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of the church. But Francis tastes comments that Paul says

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to the church and says, oh, these are now the

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universally binding moral obligations upon all.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: For example, you have a duty to support other people

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in the church who maybe don't have a sufficient income. Right,

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so there's an offering that's taken up in Paul's epistles.

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duty to all of the poor in the world. Now,

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of duty. I have a duty to my family and

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to those closest to me above other people across the globe.

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which is to equate the duty that you have to

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your your those around you to the entire world. And

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then they actually end up erasing the duty to those

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around you. Oh, you don't actually even have a duty

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to family, because family is a social construct, you see.

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next to the next. Because Francis's attack and critique on

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the self defense of people groups and nations should logically

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be extended to the family. Shouldn't the family also therefore

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be no borders, no wall, no father at all. I mean,

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why would I stop that logic at nation states and

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people groups and then allow it for families. So Francis

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is quite obviously from the outset a complete subverter, and

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in fact he is night and day even within cyclicals

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on the family on Christian Love and Duty written one

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hundred years ago, So it's night and day from Leo

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the thirteenth, or even in cyclicals written up into the

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twentieth century by A. Pie the eleven. So it's night

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and day. It's just it's mind blowing. Really, I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, I know you said it all. It's it's perfect.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about this this move of uh, well,

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Francis of ASSISI went and talked to the Sultan, so

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's his story repeating itself as a

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as a farce, and it's subverting things that would be

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correct in traditional Catholicism.

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Speaker 3: But Francis, even Francis of Assisi's goal was to make converts.

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I'm just saying that even Francis of Assisi wanted to

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convert the Muslims, and Francis post Francis doesn't. That's how

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it's ironic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You might want to bring up the icons

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even made an icon. I think it's a Franciscan monastery

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that just use the icon of Saint pauland Saint Peter.

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You're giving the threaten lu kiss and they just rehashed it,

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and one of one of them is a Francis of

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Assisi and the second one as a sultant. Yeah, I

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think you can find it to.

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Speaker 3: Just isn't it funny because Francis Pope Francis early on

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cites Saint John in his Catholic and Cyclical or Catholic Epistles,

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First John about not loving your fellow men, but he,

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I guess forgot to read the fact that Saint John

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in First John and in Second John says that if

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any man does not confess Christ in the flesh, God

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in flesh, he is Antichrist and spirit of Antichrist. So

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John says both things. He says, you have to love men,

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and you have to recognize that these world religions ours

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spirit of Antichrist precisely because they do not confess God

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in the flesh. So he again, it's just sort of

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this cherry picking of the the nice verses that sort

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of leftists and social gospel proponents prefer, and then sort

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of sprinkling them throughout the encyclical as if the context

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isn't about unbelievers and isn't also balanced with the texts

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that tell people that they have to convert, have to repent.

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I mean, is there even anything in this is cyclical

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at all about repentance. I'm over halfway and i haven't

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seen anything yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's mostly about taking the Christian principle of broselhood

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and slowly extending it and using this gray area.

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Speaker 3: And again, you know.

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Speaker 1: This is encyclicals that just paved away for the Mexican cyclicals,

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which just will take a step through it, and that

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people would be mad, and people would just have to say,

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but look, just previous and cyclical, say, you know, lads

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of groundwick Foot, you can't refuse it. This is magisterium.

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Speaker 3: Let's mention that point. Let make sure that we aren't

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cut off. It doesn't show shows two different stats for

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concurrent viewers. Let's make sure our sound is good. Okay,

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So I guess that's okay. YouTube just glitched for a second.

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It said no viewers. Yes. So the next thing I

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noticed was he says, well, we are a human family.

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This is right before he begins chapter one. He says,

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and since we are all fellow travelers that share the

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same flesh, we are all children of the same earth,

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which is our common home, regardless of anybody's beliefs and convictions.

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stage for his next section after chapter one, which will

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be no borders, no walls. And he sets the stage

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by the phrase fellow travelers. If you know the history

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of Marxism, that's a Marxist phrase. I'm not saying that

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everyone used that phrase of Marxists. Obviously, it's entered into

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the common parlance, but fellow traveler is a phrase that

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Marxist would use to identify one another at times. And

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you also say, oh, you have all to have the

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same earth and the same common herod. No we don't.

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In fact, you know what does Christ say that the

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wicked will be removed from the earth and the meek

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will inherit the earth? So we do not all have

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the same telos, the same end goal. But if you

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believe that Jesus was a social reformer and a social

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liberal of sorts, then you would think that we, you know,

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are all social socialists. Basically it's a form of kind

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of watered down Christian socialism, which is what I see here.

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And by the way, my goal here is not to

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promote monopoly capitalism, as you know, I don't buy into

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any of these modern systems. But the phraseology and the

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argumentation of this encyclical is pretty striking. I mean, it

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went it went further than I expected.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, yeah, it went further, but

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it still was a classical way. And you brought up

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something the idea of you know, equating us being brosens

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of flesh and being made all of humanity is made

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consubstantial by the incarnation, and that's why there will be

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a finite recapitulation. And equating this final recapitulation with us

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ending up in the same place, which is true to

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an extent, but is not in terms of salvation.

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Speaker 3: Correct. This is the mistake, right, The mistake of David

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Bentley Heart is to think that because we have a

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recapitulation in Christ, that every hypostasis will therefore be saved.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: No, the restoration of nature is universal. But how that

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nature will be experienced, The mode in which we'll experience

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the Esketon will depend upon our individual hypostatic mode of

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living in reality. So how we've lived in this life,

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whether we have recapitulated the virtues in ourselves, will determine

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our experience of the Esketon. Even though we all have

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the same in goal, of the same ascoton, it will

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definitely not be the same experience for all people.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: That's why there's the wicked, and there's the righteous, there's

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the sheep, there's the goats. Obviously, so this you could

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see begin to see here why someone like Origin is

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very useful to these kind of generic theists perennialists, because

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it allows them to kind of muddy the water on

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these theological distinctions and kind of confused people who don't

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know a lot of the theological jargon with kind of

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this bland, generic phraseology of how we're all together in

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one flesh, we're all together in Christ. Well, we are,

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but that doesn't mean that we're all participating in theosis,

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doesn't mean that we all are saved. Right, But I

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mean the Vatican has in fact flirted with different kind

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of forms of universal salvation and several of their theologians

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in the last fifty years, So it shouldn't be surprising that,

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you know, he would find this kind of phraseology useful.

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The next point does lend to the socialist angle, which

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is where he says, in this way, in the modern world,

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political life becomes increasingly fragile in the face of international

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economic powers that operate under the principle of dividing conquer. Now,

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that's true, and in fact, this is probably the section

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Sneck where you were talking about people saying, oh, it's based,

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it's based. I mean, it's only based if you think

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Marxism is based, right. I mean, Marxism is not wrong

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in everything that it says, right, So Marxist will critique

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international banking powers. They'll even critique usury at times. But

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so what that doesn't mean that, you know, because part

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of your critique is true, that your answer, your solution,

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your paradigm as a whole is true. And so this

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is not really that based of a statement unless you

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think all Marxists, Socialists and communists are in fact based.

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But I don't think that they are.

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Speaker 1: Again, he's as statement that you know, perfectly fine if

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you study people and simply call like like you know,

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most primi Catholic apology school studies, the church president is

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picking and choosing what they like. So of course when

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he says the global company should not dominate the world publicly, fine,

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look at the greater context, it really does sound so holistic.

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And actually you had people in the Roman Catholic with

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picking up on that, and it should also be put

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into the greater context of what's happening currently in Catholicisms.

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It is China mm hm. Purpose accepted many you know,

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many bishops that were named by the Communist Party of China.

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That's very funny because we're the ones that are usually

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accused of having KGB bishops.

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Speaker 3: But KGB, so yes, which is Francis Francis recognizing the

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Chinese Catholic bishops, which are the ones appointed by the state.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then he didn't meet with but he did affirm

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the Chinese Communist Catholic bishops. So I mean, this is

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this is bizarre because of course the CIA worked for many,

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many years through this program with John Courtney Murray, as

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I've covered in David Wimoff's book. And now I guess

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Francis is, you know, not going to meet with Pompeo.

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I don't know. I don't really care that much about

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the geopolitical stuff, although it is kind of I mean

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in regard to this in cyclical, although it is kind

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of relevant because this in cyclical does maybe signify that.

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I mean, you could even find sections of this in

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cyclical that are that are directed against Trump. It's like

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he's literally almost he won't use the name Trump, but

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he's obviously means Trump. He's like certain political figures will

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call out their opponents and make fun of them, and

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he says this is hateful. He says, this is anger

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and hate, and we're all obsessed with this notion of

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fake news, and oh, that's all from obviously from from

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the Donald so and I'm not saying that Donald is

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right and everything that he says. I'm just pointing out

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the facts of this encyclical are about contrasting this quasi internationalist,

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socialist whatever it is, quote humanitarianism to international finance money.

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And I'm sorry, but I just I can't take this

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seriously from any entity like the Vatican that has a

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gigantic usery based international money institution known as the Vatican Bank. Francis,

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if you're going to tell me about getting rid of

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international money lending operations while you have a gigantic money

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lending institution known as the Vatican Bank, and in fact

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the papers he has reversed his position on usery in

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the Middle Ages, as is well known, as Hoffman showed

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in his book. I mean, let's just go to these

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classic cases, right Robert Okalvi David Yalov's book. I'll be

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covering these soon. By the way, this is just just

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rings hollow for someone like Francis, you know, to say

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this kind of stuff, you know, get on this sort

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of moral high horse about globalism and all this stuff,

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and then tell us that we don't and shouldn't have

474
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:21,559
self defense when Francis rides around in a plexiglass bulletproof

475
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,319
golf cart with about thirty Secret Service agents around him. Really,

476
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,440
so no walls, no borders, no self defense. You think

477
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,559
these security guards don't have freaking guns strapped? Do you

478
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,720
think they're not strapped? Give me a freaking break, dude,

479
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,599
get out of here with that will that b s.

480
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah?

481
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,279
Speaker 3: Again, you know.

482
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,079
Speaker 1: The Swiss Guard historically wearing you know, peacemakers.

483
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Speaker 3: So well, by the way, this is not just a

484
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,240
Swiss Guard, Like I know that the Swiss Guard had

485
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,680
been there for a long time. But Francis he goes out,

486
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,759
he literally has already Secret Service agent, security detail guys,

487
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,079
not just the Swiss Guard, like I mean more than Trump.

488
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:13,759
Speaker 1: Okay, And again that's perfectly fine, that's that's what pragmatically

489
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:15,799
needs to be done. But at the same time, this

490
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,079
person is I think he's been saying saying some tweets

491
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,720
against private gun ownership. Really sure, people, people need to

492
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:27,640
be able to defend themselves about was the whole Armenia

493
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,880
is being attacked for being Christians. America is facing a

494
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,200
lot of civil unrest and people need to protect themselves. Actually,

495
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,480
guns have shown that, you know, a private ownership of

496
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:43,440
guns works in these extreme situations. I'm not going to

497
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,920
comment on the politic side, but even pragmatically, this is

498
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,519
perfectly fine where the purdues, but he's preaching something else

499
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:55,640
and historically chose a change in malls. Yeah, banking is bad,

500
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,599
yet the Vatican of the first national bank in the world. Yeah,

501
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,920
war is bad, yet you know used excommunication stuff like

502
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,599
this to make Cassis belly to invade places in Italy

503
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,079
and yeah, yeah.

504
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Speaker 3: We uh you know, go watch that show that Borgias

505
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,199
with Jeremy Irons and he's playing with Pope Alexander the

506
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000
fourth or whatever, and he's just like, I mean, it's

507
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:25,960
a pretty it's a it's a good show. It's actually

508
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:29,159
pretty historically relevant, at least they try to be. It's

509
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:33,119
a little Hollywood, but he's just he's like, yeah, you know,

510
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,360
fight for me or you're actmmunicated. I mean to get

511
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,159
from that to Francis, it's just kind of like, I mean,

512
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,519
go look up Simon of Trent, okay, used to be

513
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:49,400
Saint Simon of Trent no longer a saint somehow supposedly uh,

514
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,440
And then that should be enough to tell you that

515
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,159
that something is fishy here.

516
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly change change of morals. And that's a problem

517
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:03,519
because the papers he had to adopt some specific morals

518
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:08,440
that you know, were relative to and pertain to leading

519
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:11,920
a state. And he led a state. But that's the

520
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,679
first problems bishops and so should not should not lead state?

521
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,639
I think it's in Matthew twenty. And historically the church

522
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:24,320
has always operated alongside.

523
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 3: Or in the state.

524
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:30,159
Speaker 1: And then you have donation of peppin the paper state.

525
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,400
So the pope starts to include morals that a link

526
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,360
to managing a state. And and then he got caught

527
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,599
up in this and after after the Italians invaded and

528
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,840
push a pope to a little hill in the middle

529
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,719
of Rome, he had to to go with the political flow.

530
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So in that sense, the Roman entered the world and

531
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,559
and tries to to make adom of God.

532
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: It is not an earthly kingdom exactly.

533
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: That is that is very earthly, and that's why it's

534
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,199
it is susceptible to politics and the flow of politics.

535
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,280
That's why it went from this very aggressive medieval institution

536
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,039
to today's warkness.

537
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 5: Right.

538
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,599
Speaker 3: Uh, there was a great article in Politico. I think

539
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,199
it was political. Let me see if I had it

540
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:32,480
pulled up on my phone here, which is relevant. I

541
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,360
think I shared it on Twitter. But it's relevant to

542
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,719
this angle here because and a lot of people are

543
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,280
ignorant of this and they don't know the nuances. By

544
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,920
the way, Uh, I'm not the only person who's been

545
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,440
talking about this angle and coming to these conclusions. Again,

546
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,400
we've got the you know, we've got longtime trads like

547
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,719
wim Hoff that talks about this, uh PayPal low crism,

548
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,039
you could say, and Vigana right, all the trads are

549
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,639
all He's the rage amongst the trade ads right now.

550
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,400
Vigano just said the other day the deep State has

551
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,039
now teamed up with the Deep Church to overthrow Trump

552
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:11,679
and usher in a novus ordo seclorum. So there's Vigano

553
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,880
telling you the types of things that you've heard me

554
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,199
say for a long time. By the way, this doesn't

555
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:23,440
vindicate trautism just because he says that, because trautism, as

556
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,719
you know, as we've argued for many, many years here,

557
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,760
is pretty much a dead end. But this is excuse me,

558
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,079
it's not Politico's mother Jones. I'll put this article in

559
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,320
the chat. But there's a great article on John Paul

560
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,840
the second and his relations with the CIA there will

561
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,599
be done, and all of the sort of Cold War

562
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:48,000
work that John Paul was doing, the connections with Bill Donovan, right,

563
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:49,880
all this kind of stuff. This is very it's worth,

564
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,159
it's worth knowing this stuff because this stuff is relevant

565
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:56,519
to again, where we see the Vatican going now. And

566
00:37:56,639 --> 00:38:00,199
that's yes, I am aware that Francis did and go

567
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,920
meet with Pompeo. And that's relevant because, as Snack pointed out,

568
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:11,519
the acceptance of the Chinese Communist bishops is part of

569
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:16,559
the under lying the setting for this encyclical, and that's

570
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,039
very very important to know and understand. And by the way,

571
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,800
I'm not saying this makes oh the ci are and

572
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,320
know the good guys. No, no, it's not a good

573
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,679
guy bad guy thing. It's just the realities of the

574
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,239
geopolitical sphere undergirding this, which is why, as I mentioned,

575
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,719
and all the tribes just didn't know this, They ignored this,

576
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,480
they didn't know. I mean, he even says in the

577
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:42,199
encyclical that he owes much to his meeting with the

578
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,320
grandy mom right. And then I mentioned that this undergirds

579
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,840
this whole encyclical. In the trade. No it doesn't. It

580
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,480
has nothing to do with unitarian prayers that are Muslim friendly.

581
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:56,639
Speaker 2: No, it does, has.

582
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,639
Speaker 3: Nothing to do that. Really, he says it in the

583
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:04,360
first ten pages. Is meeting with the Grande mom underlies

584
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,800
this incyclical. He's making a symbolic connection between Francis going

585
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,000
and talking to the Sultan and him, as francisn't going

586
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and talking to the email obviously.

587
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,119
Speaker 4: Exactly.

588
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: So you will have many, many different interpretations and people saying, oh,

589
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,639
it's based, people minimizing it, right. And what's really great

590
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,239
is that that's something I touched on the small video

591
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,679
is that here this is so blatant that the defenses

592
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:43,079
are contradictory. So you have several types of defenses against

593
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:49,199
this incyclical, from the twad world, from the regular Catholic world.

594
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,880
So the first one is just to say it's perfectly fine.

595
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:55,719
So yeah, you're ready lost.

596
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 3: Much ado about it, I think, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

597
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: Then you have the people who will start to say, oh,

598
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:10,239
actually it's not magisterial, it's not magisterial, don't worry, it's

599
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,920
just a pope giving is private opinion to the whole

600
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,719
church in an encyclical. So as the would say, actually,

601
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,079
in encyclical doesn't mean that magisterium, it's just private thoughts.

602
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: That's actually not true. But I wish we should mention

603
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:28,559
that that's actually not true. Uh, And encyclical actually does

604
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,039
fall under the ordinary teaching office of the Pope. Now,

605
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:34,800
it's true that there could be within the encyclical different

606
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,360
areas that it touches on that are different levels of

607
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:41,440
Catholic authorities so called. But it doesn't matter that there's

608
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,440
those levels of authority even within the encyclical, because as

609
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:47,719
a Catholic, you are still bound to submit to the

610
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,880
ordinary teaching authority. Even if it's not universal ordinary magisterium,

611
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,960
it's still ordinary magisterium, and you're bound to submit with docility.

612
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,159
Even if you have reservations about areas or parts of

613
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,920
the doctrine, doesn't matter. You can you can have personal

614
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:07,599
private disagreements all you want. You must submit with dorcil t.

615
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,719
And this is what the trads have forgotten. Yeah.

616
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have people will completely say that it's not

617
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:18,239
other register. You will have people who say, oh, actually

618
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,840
it's fine as long as nothing is a ex cathedra

619
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,360
in there. But again, as we've demonstrated before, a lot

620
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,800
of times. Ex Cathedra is in the eye of the beholder.

621
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,599
There's no list. People will interpret it. People actually came

622
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:35,679
out and say that the it's I think it's James

623
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,480
Martin would say, oh, no, it's settled. It's the public lared.

624
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:46,599
Ex Cathedra is that that the death penalty is no

625
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,800
more and say it's a moral teaching and addressed to

626
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,599
the whole church, and it's something new, and in that

627
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,360
sense it will be right. But then you have people

628
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,360
say it cannot be Exca fiber because it will contradict

629
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,079
a previous Exca theater statement. There's a ball which mentions

630
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,679
the death penalty, and it also has a very strong

631
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,639
claim for being es cathedral. And then your face with

632
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,880
this problem, Yeah it is it infallibly contradicting.

633
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the irony about death penalty is that, I mean,

634
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,880
when I was traditional Catholic, it was always my understanding

635
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:27,079
from you know, traditional Catholic moral theologies that the retributive

636
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,119
justice of the death penalty was classed under natural justice.

637
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,280
So this is a derivative of natural law. Right, the

638
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,719
eternal natural law derives from the eternal law, the natural

639
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,360
law being based on the eternal law. Eternal law, being

640
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,679
based on God's character cannot change. You can't alter natural law.

641
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,599
It's impossible. So there's no way that you could have

642
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,760
an alteration, even by the Pope, of something that's natural law,

643
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:56,119
moral law. I'd be like the pope saying he could

644
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:01,320
he could alter and affirm something relating to I don't know, abortion,

645
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,039
birth control.

646
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: Right.

647
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: No, no Catholic really believes that, at least any kind

648
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,159
of traditional Catholic. I mean, I'm sure plenty of modern Catholics.

649
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:13,800
Hans Kung probably believes that. But anybody who believes anything

650
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,800
prior to the nineteen sixties doesn't think that there's any

651
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,320
way that the pope could change moral law. And yet

652
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,159
here we have a very clear example. And this is

653
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,000
not new to Francis by the way. It was John

654
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:35,400
Paul who championed anti death penalty teachings twenty years ago exactly.

655
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:39,559
Speaker 1: So that's a good point that you should bring, you know,

656
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,440
if you can change a moral teaching. And again you

657
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:48,000
have contradicting bowles and encyclicals, and this is very affirmative.

658
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,400
So again, people who always deny the Excasuto stuff.

659
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:54,519
Speaker 3: The factory love the way you said it. You said

660
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:57,199
it perfectly ex cathedral is in the eye of the beholder.

661
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty much a red herring. It's it's for

662
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,760
people to say, oh, don't worry. You know, the book

663
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,000
can say whatever it wants, but it's not excateruo. So

664
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,960
it's fine. That is a change of fact that there's

665
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,440
been a shift in mods about the definelty here it's clear.

666
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he makes notes about it. He says there's

667
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,599
absolutely no usage or need for this principle anymore in

668
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:23,360
the modern world.

669
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the next thing is war. So here's has

670
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:34,880
been a vague statement, you know, quoting the as a

671
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,840
catechism saying or the Catechism says there can be some

672
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level of just war, and then doing a whole gymnastics

673
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,599
and ending up saying no longer can we can we

674
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:50,360
condone just war? So again, is this just war? It's

675
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,960
bands of the Catechism says that self defense is a

676
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:01,840
just war. So yeah, you have an invigorous statement. And

677
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:04,960
the tribal takes the first part of the paragraph, the

678
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,920
moderns take the second part of the paragraph. Everybody will

679
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,320
say it says this, and the text and cycle is

680
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,719
gonna upload it is that exactly And.

681
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Speaker 3: Isn't as a beautiful example, Yeah, of the argument that

682
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,679
you and I have been making for a long time,

683
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,679
which is that I thought that the office of the

684
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,920
papacy was supposed to solve all of these basic moral quandaries,

685
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,639
and here we have, here, we have this cyclical that

686
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,840
has completely divided the Roman Catholic world, probably right down

687
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,559
the middle.

688
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: Exactly. So you've got you've got another position to fight this,

689
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,280
It would be minimizing it in its context, just picking

690
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,199
it apart that none of the positions that we've seen

691
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:54,280
is coherent and consistent.

692
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: And this is this lends to that point about it's

693
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:05,159
it's fine to say, oh, there are these you know,

694
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,119
levels of dogma, right, if I pull out lud we got,

695
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,679
I've got sententious surde defide, right, these different levels of

696
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,480
different propositions. Oh, that that one fits into that. But

697
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,079
the problem is that in the individual mind of the

698
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:23,920
Catholic it's not clear when the encyclical is at what

699
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:27,280
level you see within the encyclical. Right, So for example,

700
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,639
if the pote within encyclical is say, talking about the Trinity,

701
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,039
well that's defide, even though it's in an encyclical which

702
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,000
is ordinary teaching, it's still defide because he's talking about

703
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,760
a doctrine that's da fide. But then he starts getting

704
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,679
into other topics. Now, the individual Catholic at a subjective

705
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,880
level is in an existential problem, a quandary, because he's

706
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,000
not in any better privileged position to know a priori

707
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,360
as he's reading through this encyclical where the various paragraphs

708
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,480
and by the way, this has over a hundred plus paragraphs, right,

709
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:07,320
is this paragraph under DeFi day right? Or the lower levels?

710
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,280
Is it universal order? So it doesn't matter, it's it's

711
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,800
in other words, just saying that we have the pope

712
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,119
and these levels of dogma is not going to ensure

713
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,760
that in any the actual instance of reading and interpreting

714
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,000
the papal encyclical, that you're going to accurately classify the

715
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:28,320
different sections and sentences and paragraphs and dogmas of the encyclical.

716
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,039
So it moves the problem back a step. That's what

717
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:35,639
we've been saying for so long that obviously this whole thing,

718
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:39,880
this office, this power, all this stuff doesn't do what

719
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,719
it's supposed to do. Look at the whole Catholic world

720
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,559
right now, and what do they always say to us

721
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:47,320
you guys are divided. You guys are divided. No, no, no,

722
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:50,599
we're way more united than you are. Do we have problems?

723
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: Yes?

724
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,159
Speaker 3: Are there patriarchs that excommunicate one another, Yes, that's happened

725
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:58,679
in every century of the Church almost, But that's not

726
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,000
the same thing as throwing all of your eggs in

727
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:04,760
the one basket, putting it all on a house of cards.

728
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,239
Of what that guy does?

729
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: We follow that guy, Yeah, exactly. So we've seen patriar

730
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:18,239
engaging in squabbling. Actually, that's a light motive for the

731
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:26,119
truth for the centuries. We've never seen patriarch literally changing morals, right, because.

732
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:26,679
Speaker 4: That's a great point.

733
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we haven't seen something of that level. I mean,

734
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,760
there's really no precedent for this kind of stuff in

735
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,719
the history of the Church. I think you will get

736
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,119
a kick out of this. I just pulled up a

737
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:40,760
headline that says, Steck, you're gonna love this. It says,

738
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:47,559
Vatican Bay bank chief says latest scandals are true proof

739
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:55,559
of reform. So the scandals of the Vatican Bank are

740
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:01,079
proof that it's being reformed. Right, So this kind of Orwellian, funny,

741
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,039
sort of duplicitous headline reminds me of latest scandals in

742
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:09,480
the church are proof that we're the true church, right,

743
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:12,639
because we wouldn't have the pedo crisis if we weren't

744
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,599
being persecuted by the devil. It's so clear.

745
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, So this is just displaying changes. And again

746
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,800
the defenses are showing that there's no unity, and you

747
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,440
have clergy arguing over written giving good arguments, but none

748
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,039
of them came to can come to the syntheses, which

749
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:42,320
is the changes moral pope doesn't need as properly.

750
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: Right, So the very thing that the papacy was supposed

751
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:49,880
to do, the whole entire and by the way, remember

752
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,159
they always make the argument about the practical side. You know,

753
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,679
the Orthodox Church is not practical because you don't have

754
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,840
the easy one to punch solution of just the appeal.

755
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:03,719
And look and see what the Bishop Rome says. And

756
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,599
here we have sixty plus years of total confusion and chaos, madness,

757
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,239
dying numbers of the church in the West, plummeting numbers

758
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:20,239
of seminarians, monasteries closing, convents, closing, Catholic schools, closing, being sued,

759
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,280
going out of business, going bankrupt, and yet they're going

760
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,320
to tell us that no, no, it's all just liberal media.

761
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:34,280
There's the liberal media attacking the church. Really, really, is

762
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,440
it not the heads of the church Perhaps that pioneer

763
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,920
and champion this liberalism. I mean, maybe that's part of

764
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,880
the issue here, So let's move on. In the encyclical,

765
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,719
he goes on to say, after he talks about the

766
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,000
transnational banking power, he says, we have grown indifferent to

767
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:59,280
human wastefulness, wasting of food, and this is deplorable. Now, yeah, okay,

768
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:06,280
it's deplorable to waste food, but is what is why

769
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,360
is he bringing this? I mean, the problems in the

770
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,639
world that we have, and he's he's worried about wasting food. Now,

771
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:21,320
he's not talking about the problems of man's spirit. You

772
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,559
remember when Jesus is walking around in John six and

773
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,719
he talks about the Lord's Supper and he talks about

774
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,599
body and blood and this kind of stuff, and the

775
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,920
crowd is just interested in a free meal. And it

776
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,840
says that many of them walked away because the stuff

777
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,280
he was saying was weird and hard to accept, and

778
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,440
it says they were just kind of looking for a

779
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,960
free meal ticket. Now, what does Francis to his incyclcal

780
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,400
is the very opposite, which begins with all this humanitarian

781
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,519
stuff and how we need to you know, basically erect

782
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:58,360
this into poverty, erect this feeding of the global population.

783
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,119
And again I'm not saying that there's not a problem

784
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:05,199
with those things, but that is not what Jesus told

785
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,920
us to do. He did tell us to feed the poor,

786
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,679
to give alms, absolutely, but that's in the context of

787
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,199
the teaching of an expansion of the church. This is

788
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,519
in the context of social gospel. Right, and then maybe

789
00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:21,559
down the road talk about you know, or maybe not,

790
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,280
maybe not even talk about theology. I mean, the encyclical

791
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,599
begins by saying, don't argue theology. You know, Francis of

792
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:32,480
ASISI didn't argue theology, he just did works. But you're

793
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,920
gonna have both, right, There's no dialectic between teaching the

794
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:39,000
truth or doing good works. It's both together, right, You're

795
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,760
gonna have both.

796
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And that's the classic stuff about humanism or

797
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:56,079
thing into into this Lukeum politics is just using principles

798
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:59,880
that were supposed to be used for the Christian communities

799
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,519
in the world as a whole, if God as a

800
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:06,000
starting point, in God as an end, and just transpose

801
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:11,119
it to the political. Oh, we need to stop global warming,

802
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,280
we need to stop all wars, but for political reasons,

803
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:22,679
and then that's just usurping the work of God. We

804
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,360
believe in in the regeneration of the world. We believe in,

805
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,000
you know, the end of pollution and death and stuff

806
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:32,760
like this, but not through medicine and you know, but

807
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,960
through mystical means, through believing in God.

808
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,639
Speaker 3: Then he moves on to talk about if you practice

809
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:46,719
self defense, if you want borders, this is racist and

810
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,360
we need an open borders policy which will allow inclusion.

811
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,639
We need anthropological visions that do not work on profit

812
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:04,840
profit based income models. Now I'm sorry, Francis, but you've

813
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,079
got a Vatican Bank that deals in gigantic profits and

814
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,159
you're gonna tell me that it's time to stop dealing

815
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,880
in profit based economic models. I'm sorry, I just I

816
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,360
can't stomach that. It's just ludicrous on the face of it.

817
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,039
Then he moves on to say that the organization of

818
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:30,679
societies is far from reflecting clearly the denigration or a

819
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,559
shoot me, the equality and dignity of women. Feminism comes

820
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:38,559
in here. We get the world and its economic structures

821
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,960
excludes women. Now I'm sorry, but feminism is not the

822
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,239
main problem in the world. In fact, feminism, he should know,

823
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,199
is a weapon. Feminists hate him. They see him as

824
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,119
the image of patriarchy, even though that's ironic because he's

825
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,440
an ally of their but just in terms of him

826
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,199
being a man in a position of authority, and here

827
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,000
he is clearly throwing a bone to the feminists. And

828
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,079
paragraph twenty three that so basically, this entire and cyclical

829
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:16,239
is nothing but social justice. It's all about all the

830
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,519
different ways that you should feel guilty. You should feel

831
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:24,760
guilty for having a nation, you should feel guilty for

832
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,559
if you're a man, for you've mistreated women. You should

833
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,519
feel guilty if you have possessions. Again coming from a

834
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,800
guy in a giant damn palace, all right, literally a

835
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,960
palace with you know, thirty security guard details and treasurer

836
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,840
beyond anyone's imagination. I mean, who could put a value

837
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,199
on the assisting chapel or any of these you know,

838
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,599
there's priceless, right, just that stuff. Probably the wealthiest institution

839
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,599
in the world would be my guess if you were

840
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,360
to you know, how could you tabulate the value of

841
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,280
these cathedrals?

842
00:55:59,320 --> 00:55:59,519
Speaker 1: I mean?

843
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 3: Right, So here he is telling you that you should

844
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,719
feel bad for having a nation state and wanting to

845
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:11,199
have borders. It's just ludicrous. The Vatican has the Leonine Wall, right,

846
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,440
Pope Leo erected this gigantic wall around the Vatican. It's

847
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,559
still there, right, not the entire wall, but the Leonine

848
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,159
Wall is there's you know, you can see big gigantic

849
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,280
it looks like it's fifty feet tall, right, Like, I mean,

850
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,920
he's got Swiss guard, he's got thirty security Secret Service

851
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,400
guys around him, and he's gonna tell us that we

852
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,960
should feel bad for a quit. He calls a culture

853
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:41,679
of walls, building a culture of walls. And what he's

854
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,480
done in this this whole thing here is take Francis

855
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:47,920
of ASSISI and turn him into this model of like

856
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:51,000
social justice. And that's not what France of a Cisi did.

857
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:53,440
I don't even care about frances of a cc but

858
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:56,920
it's not even true to Francis of ASISI. Like he

859
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,119
he didn't go over there to tear down and cultural walls.

860
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:06,559
He went to convert Muslims. It's just ludicrous. I mean,

861
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:10,480
here's the Leonine Wall around the Vatican, and this is

862
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:12,519
the guy telling that you think you could scale that

863
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,159
right as France is going to be letting migrants up

864
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,280
in there to sleep on the floor.

865
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, this is actually he's opened the

866
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,800
migrant charity. But in Rome, that's gonna be our problem

867
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,320
for the Italians.

868
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,559
Speaker 3: In the Vatican City of course.

869
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: And again, you know, just before weak counterarguments come in,

870
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:36,880
we believe it's fine for the church money. We believe

871
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,400
it's fine for you know, church to be adorned, and

872
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:44,679
that's part of the liturgy, even though we've been relaying

873
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:50,440
less on gold and the patriarchal crown, you know, not

874
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:56,719
filled with jewels anymore. But historically, when we've been faced

875
00:57:56,719 --> 00:58:02,599
with this, for example during the communist times or even

876
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:05,519
more recently with what happening in Grease, you know, the

877
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:10,880
economic crisis, the church was forgiving debts. The Church was

878
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,079
selling you know, the non essential saying or you know,

879
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:17,239
selling all the the gold and the silver on the

880
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,000
on the icons, just just keeping the essential. So and

881
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:25,800
again you know, not not doing it for migrants, help

882
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,400
the world overs that are been weaponized, but helping locally,

883
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,880
and we have saying helped. We even have examples of

884
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,960
Saint had been migrants and stuff. But always in this

885
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:43,119
idea of local spirit and not you know, international vertice

886
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:44,960
signal exactly.

887
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,239
Speaker 3: And this is where he gets really hypocritical when he

888
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:54,480
comes into the section about migrants and xenophobia. The problem

889
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:57,679
is not that we can't recognize human dignity in other people.

890
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,960
The problem is that the argument is fallacious. You are

891
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:04,599
argument is that because other human beings share human nature

892
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,480
that therefore there cannot and should not be walls. Well,

893
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:10,440
as we said, that would lead to the conclusion that

894
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,800
my family is not really my family. The family is

895
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:20,039
therefore a capitalist perhaps or some sort of social construct

896
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:24,719
that lends to fascism. If you read the What's the

897
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:32,559
Wilhelm Reich and the other critical theorist Marxist Frankfurt School

898
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:36,119
critical theorists, they have whole books about how the family

899
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,880
is really the origin of this idea of private property

900
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,599
and passing on a heritage and lineage of tradition, and

901
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:46,840
so therefore we really have to destroy the family, and

902
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:49,599
the way to do that is destroy the father. So,

903
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:53,639
I mean, Francis is just completely on board with the

904
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,880
presubpositions of the Frankfurt School Marxist here, which is just

905
00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:59,320
kind of I mean, to me, it's not mind blowing

906
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,719
because of about a and has been doing this for

907
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,519
a long time. The Vatican has a millennia of innovating,

908
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,840
so it's not surprising that they've just innovated to the

909
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:10,360
point of basically being Frankfurt School Marxist critical theorists, pointing

910
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:17,440
out that that to have a notion of illegal immigration,

911
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:25,119
he says, he says, is dehumanizing. So does Francis realize

912
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:28,000
that all of these other countries that he's allied with

913
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,039
have really strict immigration. I mean, is he going to

914
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:35,679
apply that to China? I mean, China has I've been

915
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:41,000
pretty sure pretty strict immigration policies. I mean, is Saudi

916
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:46,000
Arabia also under this condemnation of France's for retaining and

917
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:49,599
having Bard. I mean, it's just ludicrous, right, it's obviously

918
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:54,199
only directed at like the West, perhaps America and I

919
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,360
would do share a lot of these critiques of America,

920
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,239
by the way, when it comes to international capitalism, but

921
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:01,480
not on the acs that Francis has.

922
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: What do you think, I think it's a bittypocritical. We've

923
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:13,320
seen historically, you know, papal decisions pertaining to expelling some

924
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,119
some people, even not not migrants, you know, but for example,

925
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:21,320
expelling Jews and so on from from the paper state.

926
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,639
Speaker 3: Good point. And again.

927
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:28,119
Speaker 1: The Church never denied the rights of the of the

928
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:33,199
states to apply some policies. For example, you can look,

929
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:34,519
for example, that's the death penalty.

930
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:37,239
Speaker 3: Where was this in the last In fact, there are

931
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,960
papal bulls about death penalty exactly for a certain sense.

932
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:44,639
Speaker 1: Even there's a Roman empire, you know, we're saying that said, well,

933
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,239
I think it's polycops saying, well, it got the right

934
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,920
to kill me. Uh, and you've got the right to

935
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:53,480
ex the death penalty on people. But you're just you're

936
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:54,519
just wrong in killing me.

937
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:58,719
Speaker 3: But well, I mean the post Treadentine period, there are

938
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post Treadentine about the death penalty for certain even for clerics,

939
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for certain serious sins. So this is just ludicrous on

940
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the face of it. But he goes on then to

941
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say that if you talk about fake news, quote unquote,

942
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you're spreading hate. Well we know who that's directed against. Right,

943
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:24,039
That one's not hard to figure out. But so we're

944
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:26,599
going to have to make this a somewhat short stream

945
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:29,599
today because we've got about halfway into this in cyclical

946
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,119
let's come back and do the second half, because there's

947
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some really there's some zingers in the second half. But

948
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the most important one that I want to point out

949
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,840
in the second half of the encyclical is towards the end,

950
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which is what all the trads were denying, which is

951
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,000
clear as day. It's right there that it's a Unitarian,

952
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:57,199
anti Trinitarian friendly prayer. Now, we've never seen, to my knowledge,

953
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,440
anything like this yet. I've never seen. I mean, I've

954
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,360
looked at Vatican documents for a long time. We're not

955
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,920
halfway're almost halfway, so I should say we've got a

956
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,360
little ways to go to get halfway.

957
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Speaker 1: But the.

958
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Speaker 3: I've got a tutoring session that I got to do

959
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,280
at five, But I would like to come back and

960
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,000
cover the rest of this and sick if you can

961
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do it in the next few.

962
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Speaker 1: Days any time.

963
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he's got right. So he's got here. Let's

964
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look at this. The first prayer quote unquote is a Unitarian,

965
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non Trinitarian, and I think it's Muslim friendly prayer if

966
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we think of the context of the meeting with the

967
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:41,159
Grande mom to me, yeah, and well, but Muslims don't

968
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:46,119
conceive of God as father. Well, there are Muslim articles

969
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:49,119
I've found where they say that in a limited sense,

970
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:51,519
you can use that phraseology just as long as you

971
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:55,079
don't mean it in say, the Christian sense. So I'm

972
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not even sure that that's never used. I mean, they

973
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don't have our reception obviously.

974
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Speaker 1: Actually e comenical dialogue. In comical the Muslim will have

975
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no because you know, the phase is the Bible and

976
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God being being used as a father. So there is

977
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part of the tradition that say, yeah, God is his father,

978
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:22,320
to know one is not forgotten, he's a beget. But again,

979
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:26,800
in dialogue and especially when engaging in in the Bible,

980
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,239
they will often accept the idea of God as father.

981
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And that's more recent. And I'm pretty sure that a

982
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,199
you know, great Movit of Egypt would be would be

983
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:39,719
fine if the formulation.

984
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Speaker 3: Is probably, I mean, he's he's probably who Francis had

985
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:46,639
in mind when he can when he concocted this prayer, Lord,

986
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,840
Father of human family of our you created human beings

987
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,599
equal in dignity blah blah blahlah blah ah. And and

988
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,760
and even if it's not a Muslim friendly prayer, it's

989
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,119
an anti Trinitarian Unitarian friendly prayer, you see. So it

990
01:05:01,159 --> 01:05:04,360
doesn't really matter, right, because the principle still holds that.

991
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,960
This is the first time we've seen encyclicals allowing for,

992
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:14,199
as you pointed out, the concentric notions of communion. Right. So, well,

993
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,880
we've got the Roman Catholic Church maybe that's the higher

994
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,320
level of communion, and then we've got the Orthodox that

995
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,119
are close to us but maybe outside a little bit

996
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:27,960
of the Roman sphere through not accepting the Pope. And

997
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,599
then we got the Protestants kind of out in this

998
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,920
outer sphere. And then we've got you know, the Muslims

999
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,719
and the other religions out here. So there's this scale

1000
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,840
of being of communion which is completely ludicrous, completely foreign

1001
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,000
to everything in the whole history of the Church, all

1002
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:48,840
the ecumenical councils, no notion of this concentric circles of communion.

1003
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,239
It's a totally ecumenical Vatican to invention. And that's why

1004
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:59,559
this encyclical moves from the Unitarian prayer to the next level,

1005
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,559
which which is the ecumenical prayer. You see that, you

1006
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:04,960
see the move he did there. Now, I don't know

1007
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:08,800
why the Roman Catholics can't see that this is obviously

1008
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,360
what he's doing. It's obvious that this isn't ensyclical directed

1009
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,360
towards the people who are Unitarian first to pray with us,

1010
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,800
and the people who are perhaps Trinitarian but not Roman

1011
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,880
Catholic to pray with us. This is concentric circles and

1012
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,480
spheres of communion. It's obvious. And this is not orthodox,

1013
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:34,760
it's heterodox. Obviously, we don't engage in public liturgical prayers

1014
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,159
and actions with those who are heterodox, are outside the church.

1015
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: Excles this idea of yeah concentric. So yeah, room itself

1016
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:54,599
and you know a little bit separated the Apostolics, the

1017
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:57,960
prost and and everybody. And people will ponder out and say, oh,

1018
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:02,280
this is Prey's party. Fine, yes, yes, it is fine.

1019
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,159
You know, we believe that God is a creator and

1020
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,440
you're just bringing just approach to the Father is a

1021
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,360
praise that Christ gives. Again, we do not believe in

1022
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:20,639
generic truth. Yeah, you know, it's been composed. Ever since

1023
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,280
we've clarified the dog Mans of Trinity has been tritarion,

1024
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:28,800
and even every every single present without you know, after

1025
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:29,800
the Gospel.

1026
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:33,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a section in there's a.

1027
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Speaker 1: Section is specifically.

1028
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: There's a section in Assuma where Thomas is discussing apostasy,

1029
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,719
and one of the examples that he gives is that

1030
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,519
if if any man were to go and pray at

1031
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:48,840
the tomb of Mohammed, he would buy that action be

1032
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,760
committing an action of apostasy and thereby forfeiting his Roman

1033
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,440
Catholic faith. So even the traditional Catholic notion of what

1034
01:07:56,639 --> 01:08:00,719
constitutes apostasy has already been far surpassed by the Vatican

1035
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,039
Two papacy. The Vatican two popes have gone into the

1036
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:07,440
moss and prayed towards Mecca. And I've shown this to

1037
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:09,920
trads and like, what's wrong with this? What's wrong with that?

1038
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:14,480
Right now, consistent trads, more consistent trads obviously realize that

1039
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:18,479
that's apostasy, it's any it's obviously, on the face of

1040
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,760
it apostasy. But the ones who try to cope it

1041
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,279
will say, well, he's just praying, doesn't matter. You can't

1042
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:31,079
engage in public acts right like that and not express

1043
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:34,199
publicly the inner disposition of faith that you have. That's

1044
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:38,159
classic Catholic theology is that the public actions express the

1045
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,520
inner disposition. And if you're a cleric or a person

1046
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,640
of public authority. It's all the more meaningful and all

1047
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,800
the more symbolic and significant and dangerous when you do

1048
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,399
those actions. That's classic Catholic moral theology.

1049
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And the big problem is that you know,

1050
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,319
people who take these scuratures and creators that you know,

1051
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,000
more befitting of a muscle are freemason and say, oh,

1052
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:07,960
it's technically fine, therefore thing's all right. No, there is

1053
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:11,119
this mindset is familiar that you need to take into

1054
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:17,239
into consideration. In context, this means a lot. And that's

1055
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,680
the classical stuff that a lot of Catholic will say,

1056
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,640
like literally divorce the words from the people who watch

1057
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,319
them and the context in which you were written. And again,

1058
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,920
you know, coming from the people that always declare having

1059
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,640
true tradition, having living tradition, this is a really weird

1060
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:41,600
way to literally divorce the life of your church from

1061
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:42,600
what exactly says.

1062
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to add, by the way, SNAXT twenty

1063
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,720
minute analysis to the show description here in a little bit,

1064
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,359
but we'll read the super chat and then we'll conclude

1065
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,319
with the first I guess it's the first third of

1066
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:57,800
the encirclcle and then come back maybe to finish the

1067
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,800
rest of it, because there's a lot more gems in here.

1068
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,000
It's it's pretty wild. It's it's again I think I

1069
01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:06,600
think it's next level beyond Vatican too. It's the logic

1070
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:12,359
of Pacha Mama even further. So, you know, I don't

1071
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:15,039
know what if that kind of stuff doesn't convince a

1072
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:16,560
Roman Catholic, then nothing will.

1073
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, remember what we're saying right now, the

1074
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,119
next one is going to use what you didn't like

1075
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,439
from this one, because that's what this one did the

1076
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,840
last one. So again, you know, this is predictions time.

1077
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,720
And I was I was writing some money. You know,

1078
01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:39,920
I think on the discord I put, I put on

1079
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,600
the icon and says this is going to be, this

1080
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,960
is gonna be this, uh, this is cyclical, and it's

1081
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,119
gonna say this exists and it's gonna.

1082
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:50,239
Speaker 3: Oyeah, you called.

1083
01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:54,039
Speaker 1: I was writing the money. That's why it works. That's

1084
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:56,680
so it works. And and and people are going to

1085
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,520
use a great area. People are going to use the

1086
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,079
bones that have been thrown. But that's not the ways

1087
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:03,279
the train's going, you know. So burns are just get

1088
01:11:03,359 --> 01:11:05,199
to come down to chats and they're just jumping on it.

1089
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,119
And we're going to see that it's a second part.

1090
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:10,640
You know, there's one section that's great because they will

1091
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,760
quote one sentence to say it's based and the rest

1092
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,560
is absolutely horrendous. But yeah, let's go into the super

1093
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,960
chats and we've definitely gone out a second talk with this.

1094
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's say that for part two. I gotta do

1095
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,399
tutoring here in a minute. But first super chat is

1096
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,840
Duke of Earl for ten dollars. She says, bless you

1097
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,359
both for having actually read this document. I've still got

1098
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,359
more to go, so I'm only about halfway reading wise,

1099
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:35,000
and we only got about a third of the way in.

1100
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:38,640
But thank you for that, Duke, much appreciate. Jordan, five dollars.

1101
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,880
What's the role of the Jesuit infiltration in the church

1102
01:11:42,279 --> 01:11:45,079
and how do we refer to how is it relevant

1103
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:51,239
to the Black Pope? I can't. I would over Malachai

1104
01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:54,560
Martin's Jesuit book. Now, Malachai Martin's book on the Jesuits

1105
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,680
is relevant because it discusses the topics that you're bringing up.

1106
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:01,159
But Malachi Martin is not a reliable witness or character.

1107
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:05,479
He's fairly dubious. But it is relevant to if you

1108
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,239
take if you keep that in mind when you read

1109
01:12:07,319 --> 01:12:11,439
his book Jesuits. But this book that I just covered

1110
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,800
is much better for this issue from a not from

1111
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,319
a crazy conspiracy perspective, but written by a lawyer who's

1112
01:12:18,399 --> 01:12:21,399
documenting this in like a thousand pages. So that's a

1113
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,760
much better approach than this sort of fantastical sensationalist, you know,

1114
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:31,000
goofy evangelical approach to Jesuits. Wimhoff's books far better, And

1115
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:33,560
I just did a whole two hours on that first.

1116
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,560
I don't know a third of that book the other day,

1117
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,319
so you can go watch that, but thank you for that, Jordan,

1118
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:41,399
and that. Keufer's focus five dollars. He says China and

1119
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:46,359
its relation here is interesting given the their global history,

1120
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:53,840
they're also the king of syncretism one world religion. I

1121
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,680
don't know much about China's religious history. I mean, I

1122
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,520
know a little bit about Confucianism and that kind of stuff, obviously,

1123
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,520
but I don't know a whole lot about the different

1124
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,359
degrees of syncretism there. Obviously, there's emperor worship and that

1125
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,399
kind of stuff, and I'm sure that had syncretistic elements

1126
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,720
ancestor worship, but I don't think it would that wouldn't

1127
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,319
necessarily be the model for global religion. It's a little

1128
01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:22,279
too regionalized. I think they're probably just going to shoot

1129
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:24,840
for some kind of generic perennialism, right, I mean, that's

1130
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,840
usually where the attempts that one world religion goes is

1131
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,760
just whatever's the most generic, you know, kind of new

1132
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,119
ag blend them altogether type of thing. But who knows,

1133
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:38,199
we'll have to see. Sneck. What do you think about

1134
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,399
what are the what are the great contenders? Maybe Chris Lom,

1135
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:47,399
Maybe the the mixing of Christianity with Islam into some

1136
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,960
kind of Chris Lom could be a great contender. I

1137
01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:51,319
don't know.

1138
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:56,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, First, a small word for suggest with question actually

1139
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,680
GeTe as a great stufference is it's only in friendship

1140
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:04,000
skin through it a little bit. It explains that Jesuits

1141
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:08,199
come and their goal is to install themselves in positions

1142
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:11,119
of power and centralize it. And actually they've been instrumental

1143
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:14,520
and centralizing the forests of papacy and today people who

1144
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,840
are being papal extremists just with you know, James Martin

1145
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,119
for example, and it's probably one of the better representative

1146
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:25,880
of Jesuits today. So they're instrumental in all this and

1147
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,079
obviously it goes their way and they've they've been working

1148
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:32,439
on this since the beginning, you know, there would not

1149
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,239
be a papacy. Has been understanding that the just with

1150
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,880
you know, people were acting as a direct militia for

1151
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:38,439
the perfect.

1152
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're kind of like a special ops for the

1153
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,439
papers that you can look at them as like papals

1154
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,399
back ops even being assassins.

1155
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: At one point recovers the history in actually the first

1156
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,560
stream I deep if you just like Jesuits, go.

1157
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,079
Speaker 3: Back and watch that Jesuits dream that Snack and I did.

1158
01:14:57,079 --> 01:15:00,279
I'm going to put his video at Orthodox defense just

1159
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:04,039
now into the show description on kind of the overview

1160
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:05,680
of for Telly two D if you want to go

1161
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,600
watch that, because he does touch on quite a few

1162
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,359
things that that we didn't touch on tonight that I

1163
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,079
rambled on. So anyway, that's all the super chests for

1164
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:15,880
right now. Thank you guys for that, and we'll be

1165
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,560
back in a couple of days to cover the rest

1166
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,279
of this in cyclical and thank you Snack, and thank

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you everybody in the audience.

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Speaker 1: There was a super chat that was still maybe we

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can cover this, so it was still a super your

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close to the stream.

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't closed it, but I only see one, two,

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three super chests.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but yeah, you talked about Chris Lam and

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I wanted to comment, and okay, ah, there is a

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plan for it, and I I think I've seen some

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some credits talk about this, and today as we speak

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that people who try to reproach you know, Christianity and Islam,

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namely around the MC conception. So there is our claims

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that the MC conception isn't the current, which first of all,

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Muslims don't have a Christianity standing of original sin, and

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second of all, the current doesn't say this. The current

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says that she was purified, not conceived pure. But this exists,

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and people used to do it for ecologics. In today's

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they're doing it for approachment. You know, both of them

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talk about Mary a lot. So Chrislam is a possibility.

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I doubt that Confucianism is still relevant. You know, China

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doesn't work like this anymore, even though it's syncretistic and

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try to harmonize things. But I think it's basically going

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to be perennalism.

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Speaker 3: But left wing, Yeah, liberal, that's a good one. By

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the way, if you're wondering why we only did half

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of this in cyclical or the first third, it's really long.

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This is actually a small book, so it's not a

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you know, ten page in cyclical or something like that.

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It's a small book. It's really long, so that's why

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we're splitting it up anyway. But thank you everybody, and

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we'll come back in the next few days. Have a

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good night.