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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, and welcome to Sasquatch Theory. Tonight's guest is

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Norman from Alaska. His experiences spanned decades and ranged from

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unexplained encounters in the mountains to strange activity near his

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home close to Nanali. What started with unusual animal behavior,

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strange tracks, and something watching from the trees eventually let

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him down a path of research, writing, and questions that

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changed how he views sasquatch entirely. From an expedition in

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Washington State in nineteen eighty to strange vocalizations, disappearing objects,

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tree structures, eyeshine, and something he believes was observing people

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from the woods, Norman shares the events that convinced him

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there may be more to this mystery than an undiscovered animal.

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from the State of Alaska. All right, Norman, welcome to

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Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today.

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Speaker 2: I am doing great, Migail, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing excellent. Thank you so much for asking, Norman,

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if you would tell me a little bit about yourself

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and your experiences from the very beginning. Please.

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Speaker 2: Well, I am an older person. I've had a lot

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of year to have some experiences, so it may sound

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like a lot, but it's you know, once every year

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or two something happens. But it probably started out with

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the cliche start. I saw the Patterson Gimlin film back

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when it was a short documentary. As I recall, it

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was a short between two films at a movie theater,

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and that would have been late sixties, early seventies. I

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grew up in Washington State, which at that point was

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kind of considered Sasquatch central, so it wasn't really unusual

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for people there to be interested in Sasquatch, and you

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didn't have quite the stigma that it did in other

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parts of the country. So I saw that film and

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I was pretty hooked. Looking back on my early years,

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I can really only think of one thing that may

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have been sasquatch related. There was one day my uncle

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and my father and I went up and do the

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Cascade Mountains with our dog, Trouble, who was an unfixed

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male who was generally fearless. The darn dog would attack

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male dogs twice as size without thinking about it. So

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he's out running loose and we get to this thick

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patch of brush and Trouble starts acting weird. He starts growling,

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and he moves into this brush growling, which is kind

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of unusual. And this is an elevation of maybe thirty

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five hundred feet which were there. That's pretty high. And

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he then stops growling and he backs out of the brush,

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and my dad and uncle decide we don't really need

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to go into that patch, and we leave. Shortly thereafter,

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we noticed the dog is gone. The dog is just left.

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So eventually we had to where the truck was parked

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and the dog was just there waiting for us, which

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that just strikes me as odd that that dog would

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have acted that way usually stuck nearby. I then went

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on I was on my high school newspaper. I was

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a writer for the paper and edited some of the newspaper,

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and I actually wrote a whole article on sasquatch that

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appeared in my high school newspaper. So that was kind

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of fun and really the start of my writing career.

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But then I decided, after a whole lot of research

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on doll handing John Green Grover Krantz, go into the

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library reading everything I could find. I actually decided when

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I was about twenty one, to do what we would

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call an expedition. I actually, I don't know if we'd

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call it map Dusing that, I looked to topographic maps

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and I decided, okay, here's a place where we might

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find this elusive mountain ape, which is what I thought

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I was dealing with, and I decided to go on

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a solo overnight trip into this area. It was a

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high mountain lake. It was off the Stephens Pass Highway

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to corridor, so it was off trail too. There was

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trail for the first couple of miles, and then I

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had about three miles off trail to get to this

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high lake. And it was a pretty large lake. And

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I also loved fishing, so I had a fishing pole

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with me and I planned to look for sasquatch around

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the lake. And distant fishing. I picked out a great

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route up a spur ridge. And this is going through thick,

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fairly low land Washington State, Western Washington State wood so

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Douglas spur western red cedar, hemlock, some alder, pretty thick,

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big tall trees, a lot of blowdown. I picked the

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spur ridge because usually with blowdown, the trees tend to

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fall away from the top of the ridge, so you

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often will have a better route going up that spur ridge.

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And it was a pretty good route, and I made

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it up to the lake, found a nice spot near

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the lake bitch camp. I found an old fire ring,

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so I knew I wasn't the first that had been

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up there. And I had my dinner. It's getting late

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and it starts raining, so I think, you know, I'm

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just gonna get into the tent, read a little by

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a candle and go to sleep. And it just started

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raining harder and harder. And I went to sleep, and

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I was awoken in the night with a long wailing

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how I guess we would call it, And it really

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seemed to me to be female, which is kind of interesting,

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and it was off in the distance, but it woke

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me and I was able to hear some of it

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after I'd woke, and it was fairly lengthly lengthy, like

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three or four seconds long. In the morning weather, it's broken,

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clouds are breaking up, it's it's looking pretty good. I

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ends up my tent opening and there's a big old

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impression in the mud right in front of my tent. Now,

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remember this is Elusive Mountain Ape time. This is about

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nineteen eighty, so thinking that the sasquatch came up at

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the night it stood in front of my tent, that

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does not compute. You know, they're supposed to be terrified

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of humans and all that, and very shy and retiring.

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But I could not remember even being outside when it

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was money enough to make that impression, And it just

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didn't quite make sense. But it was real, thick, viscous mud.

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I couldn't see any detail in it. It was just

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it was fairly big, at least as big as my

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own boot get prints, and maybe bigger than that. But

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then the strange stuff happens. And I was not in

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the rue area at that point at all when it

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comes to sasquatch. But I get up. It's a beautiful day,

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it's a beautiful lake, I'm thinking I was going to

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go fishing, look for tracks, et cetera. And I just

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needed to leave. It wasn't like terror. I wasn't particularly frightened,

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but it was just time to leave, time to go,

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time to go, very insistent. So I packed up. I

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probably ate breakfast. You know, I'm a young man. I'm

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gonna eat. I have my priorities. But I drop all

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my plans and I pack up. I get my heavy

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pack on, and instead of taking the nice spur ridge

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back the way i'd come, I just go straight down

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the mountain side, which is really a hard way to go,

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but I do it, and I'm moving fast because I'm

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feeling I got to get out of here. I'm not frightened.

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I'm just I'm feeling the pressure to go and to

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keep moving. And I actually I twisted my knee a

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bit on the way down. You know, I'm climbing over

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the locks, I'm jumping off looks. I twisted my knee.

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It was an old injury, so it wasn't too surprising.

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Even had any spandage with me, and I stopped to

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put the a spandage on and I can as I

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had been a little bit before I can hear branches

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cracking and snapping up the hill behind me. And you

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might find this humorous, Miguel, but keep in mind nineteen

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eighty Lucid mout Nate. I think to myself, boy, that

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deer in alchoround here, sure are clumsy. I literally thought

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that I talked up for some reason, deer fleeing behind me,

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not in front of me. So I managed to normalize

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those cracking branches sounds that I'm hearing. I keep heading

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down to these deep, dark woods, and I break out

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into the creek finally on the valley below. In the

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valley below, just a small little creek ten fifteen feet across,

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and I step out into the sunlight, and that need

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to rush just dropped immediately, it was just gone. I

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suddenly had no care in the world. But I stuck

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to the creek. I literally hiked downstream in the creek

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bed for about a mile until I hooked up with

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the main trail that I had come in on. I

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didn't want to go into the woods on either side

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of the creek. Wanted to stay out in the bright sunshine,

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and that's what I did. So that was my first

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real concrete experience that with what we know now about

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sass watch, it's pretty easy to think that maybe I

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had the big fellows around at that point, and maybe

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they had something to do with me feeling like I

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needed to get out of there. So I'm still trapped

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in the elusive mountain ape theory, and I would collect

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articles in the newspapers, Seattle Times, Seattle Post, Intelligence there

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about sasquatch. I would clip them out, I put them

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in a folder. I had quite the accumulation of articles,

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and friends would give them to me because they knew

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I was interested. One day, I think it was about

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nineteen eighty four, I read an article about somebody in

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the city of Bellevue, on the suburbs of the city

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of Bellevue. But this is now a big city. Back

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then it was still it was a pretty good sized

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city and growing. But somebody reported finding Sasquatch tracks under

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their bedroom window. And I saw that article and I thought,

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this is crazy. It just makes no sense. It didn't

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compute from my way of thinking. I knew that an

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elusive mountain ape was not going to be peeking through

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somebody's bedroom window on the outskirts of Bellevue. What the

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heck and I dropped the subject. I thought, this is nuts.

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I'm going to get nowhere, as I think many people do,

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eventually think this just isn't making sense, and I dropped it.

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I dropped it pretty darn thoroughly. So when in about

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I think it's about two thousand and four. So I

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went to a retreat in the state of Illinois. I

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moved to Denver. I was actually involved with Eastern Mysticism,

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a philosophical branch of Hinduism, and they were having a

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tree near Chicago, Illinois, about forty miles away. I think

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as the crow flies from Chicago towards Milk or Wisconsin,

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on the retreat grounds of a former Catholic church. I

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guess it might still be a Catholic church, but it

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was being used as a conference center as well. So

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I went to this retreat and we would have pretty

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long talks and breaks in between. On the breaks in between,

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Aye and a few other people would just walk on

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the forty acre with the grounds heavily wooded, deciduous trees,

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very thick canopy, kind of gloomy. In the understory, there

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is an open swampy area too, fairly open with brush,

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shorter trees, a couple of small ponds, and the surrounding

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area was surrounded with wood lots and cornfields and also

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houses on very large lots, scattered large subdivisions or large

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lotted subdivisions. And the real kicker. This is about two

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miles from Woodstock, Illinois, which is where the exterior scenes

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of Groundhog Stay were filmed. So I'm literally about two

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miles away from where Bill Murray was acting for that movie.

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So one of these days at this retreat, I decide

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I'm going to take my walk, but I'm going to

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make a little deviation instead of going out the main

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trail leading from the back of the retreat center. I

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had noticed an odd trail leaving some of the mon area,

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but around a corner with the tree line blocking the

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entrance to this trail, and I thought, why is this

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trail even here? This is but it was obviously a

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well traveled trail. It was like three or four feet wide.

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It was this beaten path, and that's what I now

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call a big boy trail. It had all the branches

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were way high to go over the trail. It wasn't

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anything you had to crouch down under like you find

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in Alaska. And then realize, oh, this is a grizzly trail.

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I'm leaving. But this wasn't. This seemed like a human trail,

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just an odd place. So I take this trail. I'm

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winding back towards where the main trail is, and I

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can hear some of the people in retreat, some of

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the people that are attending with me. They're approaching. I

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can hear a couple of conversations. I can hear people walking,

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but I've beat them out there. They're not quite there yet.

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And I'm thinking my holy retreat thoughts. You know, I'm

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trying to be in the zone and being very zen like,

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but without really paying attention. I'm aware that there's a

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figure down below me. And this figure is oddly. It

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isn't walking further out into the woods like I am,

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and like the approaching people are. It's spying on the

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approaching people. It is definitely spying. Its head is weaving

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back and forth as it's looking around tree trunks and brush.

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It's being very stealthy. It's high stepping, not like a

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bear at all. It's high stepping over obstructions and going

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tow down first gently on the ground, trying not to

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make a noise, obviously, and I can tell its sole

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purpose is to watch these people approaching, and it's about

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only about five eet six inches tall. What I noticed

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about it without paying any attention really yet, is it's

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fuzzy around the edges. It's about one hundred and fifty

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feet away. It's somewhat dark under this heavy canopy of trees,

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and I can't see any break and clothing. I can't

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see between the shirt and the pants, the cuffs of

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the shirt and the wrists, etc. It's just uniformly black

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and fuzzy around the edges. But it's slim. It looks

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like a shorter human adult is what it looks like. Proportion,

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roundish head, nothing unusual about it that stuck out to me.

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I'm just starting to hone in on this figure, realizing

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this is kind of odd behavior. And it passes behind

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maybe a two foot wide tree trunk. To me, it

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appears to pass behind it, and I'm waiting for it

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to come out from behind the tree trunk, but it

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never comes out. And that's when I started thinking, wait

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a second, what is this? But I'm forty miles from Chicago.

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I didn't make the very short leaf to sasquatch juvenile.

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I actually thought maybe I'm seeing some sort of spiritual manifestation.

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Maybe it's the Guru out of body spying on just

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making sure we're being holy or something. It took me

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until a few years later. I'm listening to a podcast

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and somebody tells this amazing story of seeing a sasquatch

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like ten fifteen miles from Chicago, and I realized, oh,

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I think that's what it was. I think that was

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my sasquatch siting back then, and to be it's it's

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an interesting sighting. This thing was spying on people, it

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was fascinated with people, and it was it was in

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a very it was in a rural area, but you know,

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fancy homes, lots of lots of roads. It's not what

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I was yet thinking of when I thought of sasquatch.

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So that was a that was an eye opener for

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me when I started thinking of that as maybe being

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Sasquatch related. And what happened to me Miguel was I

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moved to Alaska, which i'd lived at before, and I

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was really happy to come back to Alaska and I

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had a little time on my hands. I moved here

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in early winter and was taking a little while to

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get a job et cetera. Ready, and me having my

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time taken up, I started listening to podcasts and things

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had changed. This is about twenty twelve. Things had really

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changed in the Sasquatch world. And I opened my eyes

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and my head a little bit, and I thought, well,

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the problem is the elusive Mountain ape theory is just wrong.

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It does not fit with people's experiences and the evidence.

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And I started thinking that this might be a very

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intelligent being. And I hadn't even gotten into the paranormal

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stuff yet, although I had a really odd dream about then,

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but it was enough just to start thinking of them

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as actually being an intelligent, thinking being, which is what

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the evidence was showing it to be. That I started

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having funny experiences. Even then. I had moved into the

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subdivision i'm in now, but I was at a rental cabin,

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just a tiny, little one room place, and as spring

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came along things started. There was just a funny feel

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in the air, and then they started to be just

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little odd things happening. One is, I had no interior plumbing,

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I had an outhouse. I'd stepped outside when I needed to,

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and one day I'm just hearing this owl and it

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just going off. It's just repeating over and over and

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over again, loudly, and it's bright daytime, and that was

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just odd. But to me at the time, it was

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an odd owl. There was a sled dog team, which

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are housed outdoors, maybe half a mile away, and there'd

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be times that team would just go nuts, barking and

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barking and carrying on. They were obviously upset about something.

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But you know, could be moose, could be grizzly bear,

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black bear, could be wolves. There's a number of possibilities there.

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I also had a cat. I had two cats with me,

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and one cat was just crazy to go outside. And

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then one day this cat would not go outside anymore.

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Something had freaked it out, and it was not interested

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in the outdoors anymore, wouldn't even go out on the porch,

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which was a kind of a bewildering change. So I

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moved up there for a woman, as a lot of

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moves are. She told me about how one of my

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neighbors had had to put a padlock on his outside

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freezer because a few years previously, meat kept disappearing from

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that outdoor freezer and he thought that a neighbor was

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stealing his meat, which you know as possible it might

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have been a neighbor stealing his meat. But this isn't Alaska.

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Maybe much like rural Missouri, a lot of people have guns.

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To steal somebody's meat out of an outdoor freezer, that

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would be a remarkable thing to do. It fee a

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lot safer to steal it from the grocery store. That

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would be odd. So that was the first thing. Then

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eventually early that summer, I moved in with the girlfriend,

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as people do, and that was this house that I'm

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in right now. As I moved in, she warned me

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the house makes noises. I said, what, the house makes noises?

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What do you mean it makes noises? Well, it makes noises,

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like mostly at night. It'll make funny noises. And I said, well,

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how is it making noises? And said, I don't know.

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Maybe the wood's cracking and checking in it's making sounds

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when it happens, But the house is noisy, and you

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should just be aware because it can be kind of

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scary when it's making noises. Okay, So then I start

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noticing funny things on the grounds. One is there's a

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road cut where the road I'm on goes down a bank,

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and overlooking this road cut, there's a place where some

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trees it look like they've been pulled together to make

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this kind of a blind, a dense mass right in

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front of another tall tree. So anybody standing in this

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blind has a big tree behind it, and they can

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look out on the road. And the trees had kind

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of a couple of them had died, but a couple

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had just started growing again from the new gun position,

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so I could tell it had been years before. And

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I started wondering that somebody do this when a bulldozer

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was making that cut, so they could watch the bulldozer.

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But that's not the least of it. And this is

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where we get perhaps a little bit r rated. My

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girlfriend at that point did not yet have interior plumbing.

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I helped her complete that once I moved in. She

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would use the calm sun showers. It's like a camping shower,

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a plastic bladder. You fill it with warm water and

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take a shower. She had a place behind the house

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about eighty feet I can look out at the area

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right now as I'm talking, and she would take outdoor showers.

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And that's cool, that's great. More power tour, and to

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be honest, she was a good looking woman, so it

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amused me. I don't know if that's a good word.

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But about sixty feet away from where she would take showers,

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I found this trampled down area behind some trees. And

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this trample down area has both a great view of

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the shower location and the front living room windows that

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are like a goldfish bowl. My girlfriend is a carpenter.

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She built this house. She put in lots of south

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facing windows, so the spot had a good view of

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both the shower and the house itself. And the girlfriend

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does not believe in closing the curtains because of condensation issues,

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so the curtains are never drawn. It's always wide open nighttime, daytime,

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middle of winter, middle of summer. So at this point

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I got an idea of what's going on, and I

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don't want alarmer, but I asked her about this mashed

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down area and she says, I don't know, Norman, this

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is a really old area. Maybe people from really used

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to camp here. I don't know. You could tell. She

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just really didn't want to approach the subject, and I

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didn't want to tell her. I think Sasquatch is been

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watching you take showers, because I don't have any reason

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to freak the poor woman out and make her feel

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unsafe for her own home, because this has been going

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on for years. No harm has come to her. But

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that's what it's looking like to me. So one night

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early on to me living here, there's patty snow outside.

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We're sitting on the foodton. We're facing a window across

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the great room area and I really shouldn't call it

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a great room. It's kind of a middle room, but

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there's one big expanse here on the downstairs. We're watching

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some movie. It is dark out. There is a boom

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on the side of the house. It seems to come

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from right under that window, and it sounds like something

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firm but fleshy has banged against the side of the house,

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like with an open palm, with enormous strength, and it

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felt like something irritated. And even though at this point

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I'm thinking, sasquatch, I do what I don't hear a

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lot of people doing, I've rushed outside immediately. I was

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pissed off. I was defending my woman. I didn't like

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that happening. I knew that something had been looking through

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that window at us. I could not find a trace outside.

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It's patchy snow, I cannot find the track, there's no

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marks on the side of the house. Nothing. I come

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back in. My girlfriend's still sitting there. I tell her

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I can't find a thing. So we shrug our shoulders

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and go back to what we're doing. But building a

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little bit into the woo. I don't know why, but

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the sense I got was that a young male had

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found me there and was pissed off. He didn't like

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it that there was an adult male in the household now.

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But I also think that my reaction, my atypical reaction,

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rushing outside to confront whatever it was. I think I

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frightened it. And there was never any more funny sounds

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from the house, so that just dropped it. Just it

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felt like things weren't coming around anymore in that trampled area.

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Now it's growing over again, it's filling in. It doesn't

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seem to have a lot of activity. I'm not saying

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that nothing happens around here anymore. I've got like a

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suet feeder, and the birds slowly worked on it, and

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then one day I'll look out and it's empty, whereas

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the day before it was three quarter cakes still in it.

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Once in a while things like that happened, but I'd

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say things have died down right here. But there have

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been things in the neighborhood, just odd things. For instance,

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small town monsters somehow got wind of me and they

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interviewed me at a house in the subdivision. They just

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coincidentally rented a house in my own neighborhood. To get

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to that, I have to walk by a driveway, and

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I walk dogs, et cetera all the time. One day

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I was walking by this driveway, not the day of

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small town monsters, but I was able to tell them

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about this and relate it to something right across the

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road from them. I walk by this driveway and I

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can hear a really pathetic rooster. It's going it's just terrible.

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Roosters have different voices, some of them are kind of

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sad sounding, but this was persistent and weird. And I'm

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looking down the driveway. I can see no chickens. I

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can't see anything. I can just hear this, and I

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just think, well, I guess they must have chickens. I

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didn't know they had chickens. It took a few months,

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but I found somebody that knew those people, and I

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mentioned the chickens to them and he looked at me funny,

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and he said, they don't have chickens. They've never had chickens.

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There's no chickens down there, so strange. Another day, my

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girlfriend and I were taking a walk. We got to

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the top of a nearby hill and I didn't pay

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much attention to this at the time, but this is

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the very top of the hill. There was two moose

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skeletons at the top of the hill. They were only

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about twenty five feet apart. They were old, they were

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pick clean, I guess the term would be disarticulated. There's

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bones laying all over, but it's clearly two different moose carcasses.

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It took like two or three years. I am an

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now doors guy, but I'm not a hunter. It took

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two or three years for me to realize why would

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two moose go to the same place to die? And

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if they were killed by predators, they're usually eating on

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the spot. One moose isn't going to go to where

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another moose has been killed for its last stand. And

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I realized that doesn't really make sense for there to

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be two moose skeletons. Then it took a couple more

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years and somebody told me that the top of the

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nearby gravel pit, and by nearby, I mean, oh, five

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hundred feet seven hundred and fifty feet is where the

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local dot dumps rope killed carcasses. And I don't know

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that this is the case, but I think probably carcasses

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were being carried from that gravel pit up that low

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hill and then consumed at that location. I don't see

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anything doing that. A grizzly, I think, could move a

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full grown moose carcass a couple hundred feet in the

473
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,160
brush or whatever if it wanted to do that for

474
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:21,920
more privacy, but the distance and going uphill, I just

475
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:29,079
don't think so. So that one I don't understand that

476
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:35,359
one at all outside of my theory is that Sasquatch

477
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,720
are raiding that local place, and when they find a

478
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,440
big carcass, they carry it up to typically the top

479
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,599
of the hill, where they have good security, they can

480
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,319
tell if anything's coming up on them, and they consume

481
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:51,880
it up there, away from the gravel pit and away

482
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,559
from the road, but not very far from either the road.

483
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,200
Five hundred foot walk and you're at the top of

484
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,279
that hill, very close. But very few people wander through

485
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,359
the woods like I often do. But not a lot

486
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,400
of people do that off trail, and in Alaska it's

487
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,039
a whole lot of off trail. What I think is

488
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:22,599
going on here, and this is peculiar, but I think

489
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:27,079
what's happening is is that the adults drop off the

490
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,319
kids through the neighborhood. I think they see this place

491
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,839
as being a place where there's not a lot of

492
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:37,200
grizzly or wolves. And that's true, not a lot it'll happen.

493
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,880
But I think they see it as a place where

494
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,920
it's relatively safe to leave the kids. They tell the kids,

495
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,440
don't bother the hairless ones, and they won't bother you.

496
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:50,440
Stay out of sight, try not to get into trouble.

497
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,680
The kids forage for whatever food they can find, whether

498
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,200
it's meat in and out the freezers through it. I

499
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:01,359
once found a dog bowl out in the middle of

500
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,839
the tundra, about two hundred yards away from that dog

501
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,039
team I mentioned. You find odd stuff like that. I

502
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:14,639
think what we may have is juvenile sasquatch biding their

503
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:18,760
time until the adults get back, getting into a little

504
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,639
bit of mischief here and there once in a while

505
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:25,000
we have loose dogs disappear. Not a lot, but it happens.

506
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:33,800
So I also have a nearby cabin. People think where

507
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,679
I live now is cabin enough. I've been walked up

508
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,599
on by a grizzly in the yard here when it

509
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:43,039
was a target bow and arrow during my bow and

510
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,920
arrow practice in the backyard and I was looking for

511
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:51,800
arrows and a grizzly walked up on me. It sounds incredible.

512
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:54,960
I was trying to find arrows. We've got a lot

513
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,960
of deep moss. I shot an arrow, I lost it

514
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,519
in the moss. I'm like shoving my hands in the

515
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,239
moss trying to feel the arrow, and I hear just

516
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,639
a little crick just like it's a tiny little branch,

517
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,159
and I look up. This is a grizzly twenty feet

518
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,719
for me, approaching me. It's still walking towards me, and

519
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,199
I'm holding an arrow in one hand and shave the

520
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,280
arrow at the grizzly and tell it to knock it off.

521
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,039
And it looked at me like I'd really heard its feelings,

522
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:27,480
and it just kind of slowly walked away. It really

523
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,599
seemed like I heard its feelings and it just wanted

524
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,639
to see what I was looking for, but it kind

525
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:35,440
of destroys one sense of the tree when you know

526
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:38,679
it grizzly can walk up on you in your own yard.

527
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,599
But even so, I decided I wanted to remote cabin,

528
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:48,159
so I managed to find some property. It's within a

529
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,960
short hike of the highway here. I can actually walk

530
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,920
to it from this house. But that's If you.

531
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Would like to help support the channel and the research

532
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533
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534
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to time. With all that being said, let's dive into

535
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,760
our next Bigfoot report from the state of Alaska.

536
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: A longer hike about two and a half miles in

537
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,400
and I built the cabin there. But before that, there

538
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,400
was a lot of land there which I knew there

539
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,320
was some private, you know, lots up in this area.

540
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,960
And I had one route following a creek, and I

541
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,039
would start on on one side of the creek, and

542
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:36,239
for me and for my dog, it just felt spooky.

543
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,840
I could tell the dog was not comfortable going through

544
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,280
the woods along that creek, and I actually abandoned that

545
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,559
route and I went to the other side of the creek,

546
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,880
thinking that maybe that'd be a little less spooky and

547
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,039
i'd be less down in the creek bottom, a little

548
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,559
less time down there. But the first thing I discovered

549
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,719
I walked past a place where some hunters had obviously

550
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,760
shot a moose or they had butchered the moose the

551
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:11,840
year before, the fall before. This is spring, and there's

552
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,800
a vertebrae in the stuff lying around still you can

553
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,280
see a spot where obviously blooded soaked into the ground.

554
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,159
It was kind of a mass get us to see

555
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,519
four wheelers have been going back and forth in the brush.

556
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,639
They had broken enough brush you could tell by the

557
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:30,360
tracks it was four wheelers. There was a rough moose

558
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,760
trail there, which is still my trail into my cabin.

559
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,760
I go another one hundred yards maybe, and there's three

560
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,840
broken trees lying perpendicularly across the trail. They weren't huge trees.

561
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,119
This is a black spruce area. The trees don't get

562
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:49,079
very huge right there, nor slope of the hill. But

563
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,039
I could not see where they'd been broken on the ground.

564
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,159
There's no broken stumps nearby, there's no broken tree chops.

565
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:02,079
They literally looked like they'd been carried and deliberately placed

566
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:07,559
across this moose trail, and to me instantly they look

567
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,519
like a no trespassing sign. And I still call those

568
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:15,320
the remains of those three trees the no trespassing sign,

569
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,639
and I step over them every time I hike up

570
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:21,760
to or down from my cabin, and when I do,

571
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:27,400
I literally out loud, I ask for permission and forbearance

572
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,719
as I walk through up to my cabin, I literally do.

573
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,760
And I haven't moved those trees. I can step over

574
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,039
them easily, but I'm kind of superstitious. I don't like

575
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,199
to mess with anything the big boys might have done.

576
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,119
But I think they were placed there to tell those

577
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:49,039
hunters don't come any further. This is as far as

578
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,239
you're going to go. I don't know if hunters would

579
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,039
have paid any attention or even noticed, but I think

580
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,400
that's what those were about. I've also on that walk

581
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,719
I found a giant astor on the ground in deep

582
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,719
woods at the entrance to a valley. Not a huge valley,

583
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,079
it's a drainage off the small creek, but this is

584
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,360
about a twenty foot diameter. It looked like an asterisk,

585
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:18,800
and I found it with my girlfriend and she looked

586
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,320
at and she said that's not natural. And I tried

587
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,599
not to talk sasquatch to her very much. It was

588
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:30,679
just gonna upset her worldview if I did, and she

589
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,199
didn't really believe me anyhow, so there's no point. But

590
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,639
I just found her reaction interesting in the confirmation of

591
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:42,159
how I was feeling. I've also on that trail route

592
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:46,280
over the years, I've had small trees broken next to

593
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,079
and over my trail, and these would be like understory

594
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:53,360
trees that really aren't subject to a lot of wind,

595
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,320
but they'll be broken four or five feet up the trunk.

596
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:03,119
And one time it was three white spruce trees apparently broken,

597
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,679
all at the same time, all pointing in the same direction,

598
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:12,639
which was contrary to the prevailing winds, and that time

599
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,280
they were broken on top of snow. I came in

600
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,320
in the spring, I could have been any time in

601
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,039
the winter. I couldn't find any tracks. Very frustrating, no

602
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:26,559
tracks whatsoever. But I'll find these trees now and then,

603
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,039
including one even on my property, broken over my trail.

604
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:35,519
It kind of hid the entrance to my trail, which

605
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:37,559
I'm a little private, so I kind of liked it.

606
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,360
I left it. We just step over that one too.

607
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,039
I didn't mind that it was hard for people to

608
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:46,920
find that trail into my cabin right at my property edge.

609
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:53,599
I've also had experiences and up there too. I've had

610
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,519
clocking noise. Once I stepped out of the cabin with

611
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:01,559
my dog, and as soon as we stepped out onto

612
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,679
the porch, there was a loud I call it a

613
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:08,559
tongue clock. I don't hear about it often, but once

614
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,800
in a while we do hear about tongue clocks. But

615
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,960
it was loud. It was from a pinpoint location. The

616
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:20,199
doggin and I immediately turned our heads to the same point,

617
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,599
which is maybe eighty feet away. Couldn't see a thing.

618
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,760
Of course. We hiked out, hiked over the note trespassing

619
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,000
sign down onto the highway. As we're crossing the highway,

620
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,519
one more clocking sound from behind us. The book ended

621
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:40,760
that hike out of the cabin. I don't know what

622
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,119
that's about at all. I lived very close to Danali

623
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,239
National Park. It's a very large park. It has a

624
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,400
park with Mount McKinley in it. It's sometimes called Denali,

625
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,880
sometimes called Mount McKinley, depending on whose president Alaskans tend

626
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,079
to stick with Denali. I was privileged enough to work

627
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:07,880
at a remote camp in Denuli National Park about fifty

628
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,480
miles in, about forty miles from the last payment gravel

629
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:20,400
road on the Toklatte River, and there was a little

630
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,360
bit going on there. I'd hear little branches breaking up hill,

631
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,760
not a whole lot, My boss said to me once

632
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,679
strange things happened at toklatt Road Camp. One thing, and

633
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,920
particularly you mentioned is things would disappear over the winter,

634
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,840
which that place is completely socked in over the winter,

635
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:45,000
but things would disappear that were left outside. One day,

636
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,039
I just said I was going to climb a mountain

637
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:52,559
to the south, not technical climb, but this was a

638
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,000
lot to take on for a day hike. And it

639
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,039
ended up being about eleven hours. And I think I

640
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,679
only sat down once that whole day, so I was walking, walking,

641
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:07,360
walking for eleven hours. I hiked downstream from toklat Road

642
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,719
Camp about five miles and odd thing number one, this

643
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,440
wasn't a classic upside down tree. I already had heard

644
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,760
of upside down trees. This is about twenty nineteen maybe

645
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:28,079
when this happened. But there was a driftwood root mass

646
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:34,199
with some trunk had been pushed upside down into the

647
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,719
gravel bar material. I chalked it up to an ambitious

648
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,719
hiker just goofing around. But I have to admit that

649
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,960
probably would have been tough for a hiker to do.

650
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,639
To push. When I say gravel bar, it's not like

651
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,000
road based material. It's big rocks, little rock, sand, clay

652
00:43:55,039 --> 00:44:00,079
here and there. It would be tough to push a

653
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:04,480
half inch stick into the ground, let alone this three

654
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:09,920
to four inch splintered trunk into the ground. But to

655
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,440
me it seemed more reasonable to think that a hiker

656
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,760
had done it. It was out in the middle of

657
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,800
a really open glacial river bar. The river bar there

658
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,840
was probably literally at least half a mile wide. It

659
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,159
was out in the middle somewhere it was very obvious.

660
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,400
You really couldn't hike downstream without seeing that. In retrospect,

661
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:33,000
I think maybe it was meant to say, this is

662
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:37,480
our territory. You're walking into. Another thing I noticed on

663
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:42,239
that river bar is one time I saw a moose

664
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,760
at a great distance. It was a long ways away.

665
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,360
Once again, about half a mile away. The moose when

666
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,239
it saw my upright figure, it freaked out and began

667
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,800
running to get away from me. As quickly as possible.

668
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,000
And this is Danaali, Nashville Park. They're not being hunted.

669
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,559
It just it seemed like an odd way for moose

670
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:08,599
to react there, and moose definitely are skittish in that valley.

671
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,360
So on this particular day, I continued down. I continue

672
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:19,400
by this point where a coworker told me a year

673
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,800
or two later that he found a lot of barefoot

674
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,920
human tracks on this little sandbar there, and I did

675
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:27,719
get to ask him lately, and he said, no, they

676
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,639
weren't particularly large, but it did seem to be more

677
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,480
than one individual, and he thought it was kind of

678
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,639
sweet that people had hiked five miles and taken off

679
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,360
their shoes and been recreating in the sand down there.

680
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,400
Could have been too, I really don't know. But on

681
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,920
this day I was going up a side drainage to

682
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,360
try to get to this mount Sheldon is the mountain.

683
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:56,079
This drainage is called bear draw. I hate that name.

684
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,320
As opposed to the glacial river bar that you live.

685
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,400
This is a V shaped drainage, and I call it

686
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,199
a bear draw. And you know, if a bear is

687
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,920
coming downstream as you're going upstream, you were going to

688
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,639
run into this bear. So it's a very uncomfortable place

689
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,880
to hike. You're making noise the whole time. You're uncomfortable.

690
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:23,320
But before going through the real heavy v shape, I

691
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,679
had emissions another park cervice employee. Employee had asked me

692
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,239
to try to find the location of a rumored old cabin,

693
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,960
a cabin established before the park was formed, I believe

694
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,519
in nineteen seventeen. So that takes me off the creek

695
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:44,440
bed into some woods and I'm looking around for the cabin.

696
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:47,480
But the first thing I find is what I would

697
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:50,440
call again a big boy trail. There was a trail

698
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:54,400
paralleling the creek, maybe one hundred feet in to two

699
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,639
hundred feet in and parallel is the creek. It was

700
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,199
really churned up. I mean it had a lot of

701
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:04,719
foot traffic, but it seemed to peter out in both directions.

702
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,480
It was just running for about half a mile along

703
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:11,800
the creek bottom, where being on this trailer, you could

704
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,280
see animals, etc. Walking along the creek, but you couldn't

705
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,840
be seen. So I thought that was interesting. I'm already

706
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,000
thinking about Sasquatch. I did find a broken and somewhat

707
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,840
twisted willow, but it had snown a couple weeks before,

708
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,880
so I thought, I don't know, it could be that

709
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,039
snow load just broke that tree. And I also found

710
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:42,679
an old stomp had been just ripped apart. But we

711
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,159
got black bear and grizzlies. I don't know, so I

712
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:48,800
couldn't find the cabin. I go back out on the creek.

713
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,159
I managed to make it up to the top of

714
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:53,360
the mountain. I'm coming back down again. It's been a

715
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,400
long day. I've still got another six miles to get

716
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,480
back to took that road camp and get some food

717
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:05,519
in me. But I'm aware of the sasquatch ishoe. I'm

718
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:08,039
getting really close to where I'm out onto that broad

719
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:11,920
open river bar. I'm leaving the I think that was

720
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,480
mainly white spruce. There a willow a little bit older.

721
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:19,920
I'm leaving those behind. Or at least it's turned out

722
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,440
the creek bed is widening a little bit, so I'm

723
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,800
not feeling that nervousness about grizzlies like I have been.

724
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,679
But then over the noise of the creek, I hear

725
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,480
a single syllable and it sounds like, oh, it's very deep,

726
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:41,079
it's very resonant. It's carrying over the noise of the creek.

727
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,679
It sounds like an acknowledgment and a greeting. But I'm

728
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:49,800
going through my head. Can a grizzly make this sound?

729
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:55,360
What would make this sound? And I'm thinking to myself,

730
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,800
I don't know, maybe it's something on two legs, could

731
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,559
be another hiker goof around. I'm already I'm kind of

732
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,000
I'm researching sasquatch essentially, and I'm really into it. And

733
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,840
I told myself, I really should go into those woods

734
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:20,039
and investigate. But there is no way. There's no way

735
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,039
I could make best well do that. And I just

736
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:26,760
kept going fairly quickly and made it out onto the

737
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,280
Broad River bar and headed back up the slide incline

738
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,719
upstream to took that road camp and passed that upside

739
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,639
down splintered tree root ball to get home again without

740
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,239
any other incidents. But a couple of years later, I'm

741
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,559
listening to M. K. Davis's shed Sounds was a name.

742
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:57,320
It's a YouTube video, but it's all still from a

743
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,400
a CCTV, a close circuit TELEVI camera. Somebody had set

744
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,840
it up because they thought they had sasquatch. They wanted

745
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,039
to catch sasquatch. But what the commons said instead were

746
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,719
sounds of something inside the shed. It's called the shed,

747
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,920
but I get the impression was really a workshop and

748
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,639
you could hear something is in there, rummaging to the tools,

749
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:26,880
kind of making sounds to itself. And at one point

750
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:31,760
it seems to be practicing human. It seems to be

751
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,519
practicing English, like it'll say where to go, where to go,

752
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:38,880
and you get the idea, Oh, it's saying where did

753
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,800
it go? And it's imitating the frustrated guy trying to

754
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,039
find the tool that he's misplaced. But then it starts

755
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:52,079
trying to say hi, and it goes oh, And on

756
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,360
the last one fourth or fifth it goes oh. It

757
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,760
is just what I heard in the woods in interior Alaska,

758
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,400
and this is recording from I don't know, North Carolina

759
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:11,159
or someplace, but it was the same sound. And then

760
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:14,519
I'm left with wondering was something saying hi to me?

761
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:20,239
And I mean, what would have happened if I went

762
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,760
into those woods and said hi back? I don't know.

763
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,039
That might have been something that changed my paradigm, or

764
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,360
might have been something that needed me to change my underwear.

765
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,519
I have no idea. So that was a good one too.

766
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,239
I also found at the entrance to that creek. On

767
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,880
that side, I found some scat on a separate trip,

768
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:50,199
and it was human sized and it looked like a

769
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,320
single human turd, but it was filled with fibrous matter,

770
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,760
which I find that really interesting. It was like somebody

771
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,239
had been chewing up I don't know, aspen or willow

772
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,719
bark or something and swallowing it. The fibers were an

773
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,400
inch an inch and a half long. They weren't hair.

774
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,280
I did check into that they weren't hair, so to me,

775
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,039
that was a clue maybe about diet. I also found

776
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:23,320
a tree break across the river from there where something

777
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,760
could have broken a tree and maybe had the expectation

778
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,639
of people passing by on the river hearing it. So

779
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:37,239
that's that's a lot of my normal physical evidence Alaska experience.

780
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:45,320
I also spent some time recently living in western Massachusetts,

781
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:52,159
and before I moved there, already obsessed with sasquatch had,

782
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,360
I insisted that I wanted to check out the place

783
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:58,559
before I made a commitment. I was being offered a

784
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:04,360
job with ironically Internet personalities, so I wanted to check

785
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,800
it out to make sure it was a place I

786
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,039
could live. And I love woods I love nature. I

787
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:13,119
want to have places that I can just walk to

788
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,960
from where I live. But this was a large complex.

789
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,480
They had over three hundred acres there and part of

790
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:21,519
it was farm, but most of it was woods. So

791
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,639
on my second and last day there after meeting the folks,

792
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:28,039
I asked if they minded if I took a walk

793
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,800
around the grounds. So I excuse myself and I took

794
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:34,559
a long circuit around the open area through the woods,

795
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:40,719
and I found a lean to structure on their property.

796
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,239
They didn't even know it was there. It was very primitive,

797
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,000
and an interesting point I don't always think to consider

798
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:54,159
is it was across a river. It was next to

799
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,000
a river, but across that river was a school grounds.

800
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,039
You couldn't see it, but it was only maybe two

801
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,639
hundred feet from the lean to, and you could hear

802
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:09,360
the children playing at recess every day from that lean to.

803
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,679
So I thought that was interesting, and I went back

804
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,920
and said, okay, I'll take the job, and I moved there,

805
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:24,840
and I wasn't soon that strange stuff started happening. I

806
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,519
was even accused by the farmer lady there of bringing

807
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:31,920
the paranormal to her farm. And I don't know if

808
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,400
that's the case. I think really I was just on

809
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:38,440
alert to look for these things. She told me about

810
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,440
how she would find skulls in her path where she's walking,

811
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,119
and she loves skulls, and she would pick them up

812
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:48,440
and collect them. She'd find interesting rocks in her path, etc.

813
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:52,480
I think the locals were very aware of her and

814
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:56,039
liked her because she was like a natured child. She

815
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:59,400
would go out in the woods and spend hours poking around,

816
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,519
finding medicinal plans, edible plants, etc. So I don't think

817
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,639
I brought the paranormal there. I just noticed the paranormal there.

818
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:11,039
I would check the animals late at night. Sometimes the

819
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:15,519
air would just be electric. I felt like I was

820
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:20,760
being watched. That feeling. One time, a single, very loud

821
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,519
came from about ten feet up, about seventy feet into

822
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:30,119
the woodline. I couldn't see a darn thing. My lad

823
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:33,880
was so feeble. It didn't help me feel much better.

824
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,679
I saw I sign at that farm. I saw across

825
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,679
the cow pasture about two hundred and fifty feet away,

826
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:48,119
maybe three hundred. It was very large. It was up

827
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:50,840
off the ground. I knew where the six cows were.

828
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,199
The cows weren't there. You could maybe explain it as

829
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:59,760
a moose, and that's possible. While I was watching it,

830
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:01,800
I would look away and look back just to make

831
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,159
sure of seeing it. It would still be there. I

832
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:06,079
saw a blanket a couple of times. I saw it

833
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,360
turn its head, so it went from two to only

834
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,719
one eye. But that's true, I could see two eyes.

835
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,239
You can see that with cows. Anyhow, I don't know

836
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,800
what that was. There were broken trees there that I discovered.

837
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,400
But what got more interesting for me personally is there

838
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,079
was a hiking trail that left from this railroad, only

839
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,519
about half a mile away. I would walk from my

840
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:36,239
housing and i'd go up this hiking trail. It was

841
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,840
about a mile and three quarter to the top of

842
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,360
what they called the mountain. To me, it was a

843
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,159
hill and not a particularly big hill, but to them

844
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,840
it was it was a mountain. I would go on

845
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,559
this trail, and right away I noticed there would there

846
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:55,480
would be tree breaks across the trail, and there seemed

847
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,159
to be a pattern of This trail was supposed to

848
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:03,719
be closed to motorized vehicles, but four wheelers and motorbikes

849
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,400
would go around the barriers and they would go up this.

850
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,679
I think it was an old logging road. They would

851
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:12,519
go up this, a very very eroded road, but they

852
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:15,960
would make it up. And it seemed to be that

853
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:20,719
after there'd been encouraged by a motorized vehicle. There'd be

854
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,480
tree breaks across the trail and I would leave them alone,

855
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:29,760
but other hikers would pull them away. So I noticed that. First.

856
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,119
I established a gifting station at the very top of

857
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:38,440
this hill. I found where somebody had used the chainsaw

858
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:41,719
cutting up cut up a fallen tree into rounds and

859
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,960
kind of unevenly threw the rounds together. I set one

860
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,760
of the rounds up on top of the stack of

861
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,039
rounds vertical, and I found this plate sized flat piece

862
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,440
of I might have been slayed or sandstone. I put

863
00:57:55,519 --> 00:58:00,280
it on top of the top round and I that

864
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:04,360
as a gifting station, and it was definitely where human

865
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,320
beings could come across it. It was right out in

866
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,920
the open. I didn't even try to hide it. I

867
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,920
would leave apples and chocolate and peanuts and stuff like

868
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,360
that when i'd go up there, and usually it would

869
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:23,159
all disappear, but I don't know. One time a water

870
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:26,639
bottle showed up at the gifting station. It was an

871
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,880
empty water bottle and there it was, and at the time,

872
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,239
I thought, well, a person probably found it and left

873
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,519
it there, seeing that somebody's coming there often. I don't know.

874
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,280
I really don't know, but that area had lots of

875
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,360
tree breaks. There was kind of a lookout point, and

876
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:48,000
beyond the lookout point there was in a like a

877
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:52,760
quarter acre area, there was probably fifteen to twenty tree

878
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,599
breaks of pretty small oak trees, like three inch diameter,

879
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:01,320
But there was lots of tree breaks. I I don't

880
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,880
see people breaking oak trees, even of that size. It

881
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,199
didn't make sense. So I continue this. At the same time,

882
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,800
I'm noticing along this trail what I call twig breaks.

883
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,000
They're very subtle. They were in mostly beaches, a little

884
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:23,480
bit in some Douglas fir. There weren't allowed of Douglas fur,

885
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,119
but some they would be on the edges of this

886
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:31,079
fairly wide old road bed. But it would just be

887
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:34,679
like if you're going to break a pencil, just like

888
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:37,679
something had reached out one handed and just used its

889
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:41,000
thumb and pushing its thumb against its forefinger and its

890
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:45,559
middle finger would just break the twig and only up

891
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:49,400
into branches up to maybe half an inch thickness, but

892
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:53,320
big enough that I'd have a really hard time breaking them.

893
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,440
But some of them were very small, but some were

894
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,920
seven and a half feet off the ground that this

895
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,199
would happen. Were low somewhere only about thirty inches off

896
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:05,760
the ground on both sides of the trail, very subtle.

897
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,800
I would notice some of them before the leaves were

898
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,480
even weilding. Some of them would really flash when the

899
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:16,199
leaves were wilting. And I have kind of a mind

900
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:22,360
for figures, and maybe anyhow, I just thought a chance

901
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:27,000
to quantify something in the Sasquatch world. Very little as quantified.

902
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:32,039
Would measure tracks, That's about it. But here was something.

903
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:37,039
It was occurring with enough number I could quantify. So

904
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,440
I started bringing a tape measure with me. I had

905
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,960
a little notebook. I would measure how far off the

906
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,679
ground these brakes were. I would measure the thickness in

907
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,000
millimeters of the brakes. I brought this little see through ruler.

908
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,559
I started taking pictures. I had a white piece of

909
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:56,159
paper that I would use at background as background so

910
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:59,840
you could see the brakes better. In the end, Miguel

911
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,280
I got one hundred and thirty twig breaks along that

912
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,840
trail that all seemed to come from the same summer

913
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:11,400
one hundred and thirty, and I started writing a paper. Now,

914
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:15,119
I'm not a scientist. I have a college degree, it's

915
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:19,079
not in science. I took a lot of math and physics.

916
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:24,239
But I'm not a scientist. But I thought, I can

917
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,360
quantify this. I can crank these numbers. I can put

918
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,360
I love spreadsheets, I could put them in spreadsheets. I

919
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,480
can make grass. And I did, and I ended up

920
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:39,960
writing a paper, and I seemed to find a signal

921
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,599
in the twig breaks. It seemed that they were coming

922
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:48,119
from at least two different sized beings. I looked at

923
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,320
how I would reach out and break twigs if it

924
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,440
was me, and I reasoned that I would go from

925
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,159
my hips up to my shoulders. Maybe eye level be

926
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:03,199
the highest I would go. And I looking at that,

927
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:06,800
I reason that some of these breaks are being done

928
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,360
by something that was about Patty's size, about seven foot

929
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,679
four is what I calculated. But some of them were

930
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:15,920
being done by something that was more like this five

931
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:21,400
feet tall. And I thought, maybe it's an adult with

932
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,800
a young one walking up this trail, and they're using them,

933
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:29,199
maybe to tell the other that they're there that they

934
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:32,199
walked up the trail. I don't know. It's very subtle,

935
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:35,639
but if you're looking for subtleties, you see it. So

936
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,840
I wrote up this paper. I submitted it to doctor

937
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:44,119
Jeff Melgram. He had online the Relic Hominid Inquiry and

938
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:50,960
online journal, which had mostly scientific papers on it. But

939
01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:53,719
actually got a response for him, and he said, we

940
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,360
are looking for citizen science papers now and we're going

941
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,480
to consider your paper, and I'll have a few suggestions

942
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:07,159
for you, but I'm interested. So great. He maybe promised

943
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,599
not to shop at elsewherery they wanted for shot. It

944
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:15,239
then began, unfortunately, just two months of pass I hear nothing.

945
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:17,719
I'd email them back and say, oh, I'm really sorry,

946
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,360
we'll get right to it. Two months of pass nothing.

947
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,239
Now I know he might have been getting ill during

948
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:26,199
that time, so now I have more compassionate. At the time,

949
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:29,119
it almost feels like he was he was stalling me

950
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:32,159
or something, just trying not to get the paper published.

951
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,519
I really don't know what the story is. I think

952
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:41,760
the paper is interesting. I ended up getting an academia

953
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,880
dot edu backslash Norman Solely site. It's a place where

954
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,159
people can put up their scientific papers. It's usually I

955
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,440
credited people, but it didn't stop me, so I did it.

956
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,519
So you can get to that paper and another more

957
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:03,079
recent one, and also a stick structure presentation to that

958
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:09,639
site Academia dot edu backslash Norman solely the last thing

959
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:12,199
I was going to mention about western mass and then

960
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:17,039
I could stop talking for a minute. My gifting station.

961
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,400
I went up there early January, I think it was

962
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:31,079
of twenty twenty five, and just cracks me up. There

963
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,000
was about twenty feet twenty five feet from the gifting

964
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:38,119
station there had been I think it was a maple.

965
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,599
It was broken about ten feet off the ground where

966
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:46,400
it was about six inches thick. No sign of rot

967
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,519
or anything. It was. It was like a pretty clean break.

968
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:54,480
It was a snap, and it had been broken over

969
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:57,960
my gifting station. I already mentioned how it was a

970
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:01,400
log round on a pile of rounds with a flat

971
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,599
rock on top of it. It was broken and laid

972
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,280
perfectly across the top of my gifting station. It completely

973
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,280
bisected the top of that flat rock on top of

974
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,840
the round, on top of the violet logs. I cannot

975
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,400
imagine that tree breaking naturally and falling with force and

976
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,239
hitting that gifting station and not just sending everything flying.

977
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,199
It was like the tree had been broken but then

978
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,960
carefully brought down to the ground and laid right over

979
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,719
the center of my gifting station. And to me, the

980
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:46,679
message was instantly clear. It was cut it out with

981
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:53,159
the subtext stuff stop feeding our kids. You freaking I

982
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,559
really think that's what it is. You know people talk

983
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:58,679
about talking on out of the woods. I didn't. I

984
01:05:58,719 --> 01:06:01,719
just set up the gifting station and started putting stuff

985
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,159
there without any thought to how it might be received.

986
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,280
If you, Miguel started feeding kids two miles away, just

987
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,079
leaving food out for them at the end of their

988
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:18,320
driveway or something, candy and things, you could imagine the

989
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,440
parents would not be real keen about that. They would

990
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:26,719
be a little suspicious as to your motive. And instead

991
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,920
of being frightened, which I probably should have been, but

992
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,119
I laughed for five minutes. It was like a belly love.

993
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:36,920
To me, it was just hilarious as it suddenly stime home,

994
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,719
God with a dope, you are Norman to just leave

995
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,400
the food out here without any explanation like that. I

996
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:51,079
just totally I shortcutted good manners there. There was also

997
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,440
I think I noticed on the same trip there was

998
01:06:54,639 --> 01:06:57,239
a stump I would sit down on while I would

999
01:06:57,679 --> 01:06:59,800
eat lunch or a snack or something before i'd head

1000
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:04,320
back down the hill, and there was an oak tree

1001
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:07,960
next to me, only like a three four inch trunk,

1002
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:12,000
maybe twelve fifteen foot tree. No, there's got to be

1003
01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:16,239
more than that twenty foot but anyhow, I sat down

1004
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:19,239
on it one day and I noticed there's like strips

1005
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,320
of bark laying on the ground, and I realized, one

1006
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,679
of these strips it's still attached at the base of

1007
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:29,639
this oak tree, but it had been ripped loose about

1008
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:32,639
ten feet off the ground, well beyond my reach, and

1009
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:36,000
had been pulled from the tree all the way down

1010
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:38,920
to almost the base of the tree and then released

1011
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,159
right there where there's no way that I couldn't see it.

1012
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,440
So it felt very personal, and even though I never

1013
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,639
really felt eyes on me on that hike, at that

1014
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:57,119
point I realized, Wow, something knows that I sit here

1015
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:00,679
and that I'm going to notice this, and once again

1016
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:04,079
it's a message. But it was unclear to me that

1017
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:07,880
might have been more just of hey, we're here, and

1018
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:16,199
you should know, we're you should know, we know you're here, Yeah,

1019
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,159
any any questions or comments and you go, yeah.

1020
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,520
Speaker 1: It sounds like you've had a lot of strange experiences

1021
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:30,760
throughout your life, from Alaska, Washington to the East Coast

1022
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:36,119
and back to Alaska. Essentially, that is a real sasquatch

1023
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:40,039
triangle right there. And yeah, I can see why you

1024
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:42,399
thought that was sasquatch at the lake. You heard these

1025
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,199
strange hows and it sounded like something was outside and

1026
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:50,680
you found that that strange track, and yeah, to me,

1027
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,319
it sounds like they were watching you the entire time.

1028
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my first attempt to look for sasquatch.

1029
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:02,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty cool, and you're in a good area

1030
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:07,640
for that for sure. Yeah, let's see what else happened.

1031
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,720
The creature that you encountered that was about one hundred

1032
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,359
and one hundred and fifty feet away. You said it

1033
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,159
was about five and a half feet tall, and it

1034
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,600
was very dark, possibly like a blackish brown color. What

1035
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,439
do you think its intentions were?

1036
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,159
Speaker 2: It was definitely just black. It had no snout. I

1037
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:31,600
probably should have mentioned that, but it's high stepping completely

1038
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:36,640
eliminates to me the black beer concept. I think it

1039
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,119
was just curious. I think it was there to spy

1040
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:44,039
on humans. I don't know that there would have been

1041
01:09:44,079 --> 01:09:48,720
anything levolent about that spying. I think it was just entertainment.

1042
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,920
I also think it probably had some grown ups nearby, probably,

1043
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,119
and probably they were aware of me and keep and

1044
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:04,000
an eye on things that whole time. I didn't I

1045
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:07,520
mentioned also there was that swampy area there. I resolved

1046
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,840
to go explore that, but when I headed out in

1047
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:16,760
that direction, I had that feeling of, you know, probably

1048
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,760
not good to go in here. So I think that

1049
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,279
was an area they were finding refuge and they also

1050
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,479
like watching the people. Yeah.

1051
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely. You mentioned that they were watching your girlfriend at

1052
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,640
the time, and that's not too far out there. These

1053
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,680
creatures are very curious. We're a form of entertainment to them,

1054
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,880
and they're attracted to women and children.

1055
01:10:44,279 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I can't. I can't help but laugh. I mean,

1056
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,560
that matted down area is all like six or eighty

1057
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,960
feet from where she was showering.

1058
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:02,520
Speaker 1: Said she was good looking too, so there is that.

1059
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there was that as well. You know, a

1060
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,800
carpenter in good shape, athletic.

1061
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sounds like a good kind of woman to

1062
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:14,319
have around.

1063
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not around much anymore. But yeah, she's a

1064
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:21,600
good woman to have around.

1065
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, a handy woman, that's for sure. And you found

1066
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,319
strange structures in the area, as far as broken trees,

1067
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:36,720
possible glyphs, and areas where you could tell they were

1068
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:37,880
hanging out at.

1069
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another time, I have a route to my cab

1070
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,680
and I call it a trail, but really it's it's

1071
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,159
just what I make with my own feet. Not many

1072
01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:51,439
people follow it besides me, ever, But one day I

1073
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,199
was about half way up and I found a broken

1074
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,800
it did It's like at the top of a tree

1075
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,199
had been pushed into the middle of my trail, right

1076
01:12:02,319 --> 01:12:05,680
smack dab in the middle of my trail. And I

1077
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,159
looked around me and there was dead fall there. And yeah,

1078
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:12,640
it's possible something fell out and stuck in the ground,

1079
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,640
But really, when you think about it, do you recall

1080
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,840
ever finding a branch stuck into the ground that had

1081
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,319
fallen from a tree. It doesn't really go that way.

1082
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:27,000
The same girlfriend, I left it alone because I'm superstitious,

1083
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,600
and to me, it was like, hey, we're here, we're

1084
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,279
watching you, buddy. My girlfriend came up and I showed

1085
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:37,479
it to her and she pulls it out of the

1086
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,760
ground which I had. I wanted to make sure it

1087
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,079
was stuck in the ground. It was about three inches,

1088
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:44,600
but I carefully put it back in. She pulls it

1089
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,119
out of the ground, looks at it, and it just

1090
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:51,840
throws it over her shoulder, and I'm like, don't offend them.

1091
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:53,840
And it may have been the same trip. We got

1092
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,159
up to the cabin and the cabin door was wide open,

1093
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:02,159
and she freaked out when we found that. It looked

1094
01:13:02,199 --> 01:13:03,760
like it had been opened for a while. There were

1095
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,239
leaves blown into the cabin onto the floor, but nothing

1096
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:10,560
was touched inside. And this is you know, this is

1097
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:16,439
grizzly black bear of wolverine, kyote wolves. There's all sorts

1098
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,760
of hungry things up there. Nothing was touched, but the

1099
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,560
door was wide open, and the door opens out. I

1100
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,479
made it opening out because I have a paranoia about

1101
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,960
grizzlies leaning on an in swinging door and just popping

1102
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,079
it open, so I swing it out and make an

1103
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:39,840
extra strong jam so that won't happen. It was open outwards.

1104
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,520
It was really hard to explain it as a wind

1105
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,680
blown effect to find it that way, and it took

1106
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,119
a while to convince my girlfriend to gourd to the cabin.

1107
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,880
I had to look all through the cabin and reassure

1108
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,560
that there's nothing scary inside.

1109
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: Did you ever find out if the house was haunted?

1110
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,399
Speaker 2: Haunted? Is that what you asked?

1111
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you mentioned and she said she'd hears strange

1112
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:07,760
noises in the house.

1113
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, that was my cabin I was talking

1114
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,119
about back here at this house. I should have mentioned that.

1115
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,840
The odd thing was was after I moved in, the

1116
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,079
house stopped making noises. It was quiet. It was like,

1117
01:14:23,399 --> 01:14:26,199
for some reason, me being there changed the noise level.

1118
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:30,119
I never heard noises except that one bang on the

1119
01:14:30,119 --> 01:14:31,199
side of the house that day.

1120
01:14:33,239 --> 01:14:38,119
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, So how did you end up writing

1121
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:41,680
the book before Patty?

1122
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,159
Speaker 2: Before Patty is volume one of a three book series,

1123
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,920
And thank you for asking. Miguel. That's a little bit

1124
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,159
of a sasquat story too, but I'm going to condense

1125
01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:58,319
it if I can. Twenty nineteen, I decided I'm going

1126
01:14:58,399 --> 01:15:02,000
to treat myself and go to my first ever sasquatch conference.

1127
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:08,199
And it was the twenty nineteen International Bigfoot Conference in Kennewick, Washington,

1128
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,800
and I was living up in Alaska at the time,

1129
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,199
so it was kind of a big deal to go

1130
01:15:12,279 --> 01:15:15,039
down there. And I was also at a National Park

1131
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:18,119
Service employee, so you can imagine anybody I talked to

1132
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:21,239
at the conference really queued in on those two things.

1133
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,720
They wanted to know what my insider knowledge was and

1134
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,720
all that. I go to this conference and one of

1135
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,880
the speakers to make it an international conference is doctor

1136
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,920
Igor Bertze. I don't know if you've heard of him,

1137
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:39,359
but he's like a contemporary of doctor Bayanov and Marie Friedman.

1138
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:44,960
He's part of the Center for International Hominology. They actually

1139
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:49,720
over there at an academic level, took the Harry bipeds

1140
01:15:50,119 --> 01:15:53,479
more seriously than they have ever been taken by science

1141
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,199
in North America, to the extent that they actually have

1142
01:15:57,279 --> 01:16:02,640
this little international Center of Hominology. Uh So, doctor Igor spoke,

1143
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,600
and he was already at that point, late seventies, skinny guy,

1144
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,239
but you know, he's he's hanging in there. He's he's

1145
01:16:11,399 --> 01:16:14,880
he can walk and move around and get out in

1146
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,039
the field and all that. Russell Record, though acted as

1147
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:20,720
his translator, even though he spoke in English, it was

1148
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,600
so heavily accidented it was hard to understand him. So

1149
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,279
it's kind of a who watching Russell repeat what he

1150
01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:30,600
was staying up there, but doctor Bertsev mentioned that he

1151
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,920
had written a book about sasquatching Asia and that he

1152
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,640
had copies for sale, so the break came right after

1153
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,760
he was done with his talk. I made a bline

1154
01:16:41,079 --> 01:16:45,239
for the vendor tables. I found the books, beautiful books.

1155
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:50,359
My copy is within reach right now. Two columns each page,

1156
01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:53,960
one call um Russian, one column English. The English is

1157
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,520
often translated, I believe by doctor Igor berts Of himself,

1158
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,720
so it's really rough. It's got to kind of work

1159
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:06,880
in understanding it. I ask the young guy there how

1160
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,840
much the book is. Apparently he had just been watching

1161
01:17:10,319 --> 01:17:14,239
the table while doctor Bertstev was speaking and he didn't know.

1162
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,800
But just then Igor walks up and the guy turns

1163
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,720
to him and says, this gentleman is interested in buying

1164
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,319
the book and wants to know how much it is.

1165
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,079
And Igor Berthstev says loud enough for me and the

1166
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:31,960
other six eight people gathered around. He says three hundred dollars.

1167
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:35,359
And one woman said, oh, I can't pay that much

1168
01:17:35,399 --> 01:17:37,640
for a book, and she's stalked off, and you can

1169
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,800
hear the crowd muttering, and Igor looks at me, and

1170
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,319
he comes closer, and he leans in close, and he says,

1171
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:51,039
too much for you, two hundred dollars, and I had

1172
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:53,239
to buy it. I pulled out my wallet. I thought,

1173
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:58,239
this poor old guy's been slepping this book across the world,

1174
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,000
hoping he's going to pay for his by selling the book.

1175
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,199
I bought the book. It wasn't until twenty twenty two

1176
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:07,000
that I really read it. I got a lot of books,

1177
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:11,079
and in it I found it was an address by

1178
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:16,680
doctor Bayanov, another Russian from I think two thousand and five,

1179
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,960
maybe twenty ten. But in it he mentions this story

1180
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,960
that doctor ed Fush, an anthropologist in Washington State, had

1181
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:32,760
written a paper about a hybrid child that was born

1182
01:18:33,359 --> 01:18:37,560
on an Indian reservation that was the product of an

1183
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,319
abduction of an Indian woman, but that she had escaped,

1184
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:47,479
and Bayanov finishes this section by saying, I wish that

1185
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,399
somebody in North America would devote as much attention to

1186
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,079
this story as doctor Bertsev has to the Zana story

1187
01:18:55,199 --> 01:19:00,399
in Russia. Zana once again was supposed to have had

1188
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:06,520
children by male modern humans, including Keywit and doctor berts

1189
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,840
I has done a lot of research into that himself.

1190
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,800
So I read the story and I had that much

1191
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,920
to go on, and I decided to look for the paper,

1192
01:19:18,119 --> 01:19:21,239
and it's online. You could find at Miguel in a

1193
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:26,920
few minutes if you look up doctor ed Fusch Fusc.

1194
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,159
I think about all you're gonna find is this paper,

1195
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,680
and I believe it's in a big footology website. But

1196
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:41,880
it's just posted by itself without the maps and illustrations, unfortunately,

1197
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:45,000
but you can get the entire text of this paper

1198
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,800
in the paper. A part of it is about the abduction.

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He had interviewed Calville Reservation residents and some of them

1200
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:03,720
claimed to be king a pack of descendants, but he

1201
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,039
interviewed them in nineteen eighty five. These were events that

1202
01:20:07,079 --> 01:20:10,520
had happened in the eighteen nineties, so it was like

1203
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:14,199
family lore, and some things they got right, some things

1204
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:18,199
they got wrong. But they literally believed that this was true.

1205
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,039
They told the story of an Indian woman getting abducted.

1206
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,880
She got abducted in view of other people, but they

1207
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:29,279
were afraid to shoot because they had a belief that

1208
01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:32,960
if you harm ascanacum as they called it. Actually their

1209
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:39,359
pronunciations were like scannacum, but if you harm Ascanicum that

1210
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,560
they will get twelve times of revenge back, so they

1211
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:47,359
were scared to shoot at the scanacom carrying off. Howyaciat

1212
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:52,159
Kolakin was her name, but I think it was about

1213
01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:58,840
two months later she saw some writers, some Indian writers,

1214
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:03,520
through the woods, and even though her abductor was sleeping

1215
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,760
in bushes not too far away while she was digging

1216
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:11,880
Eskimo potatoes, I believe she ran for the riders and

1217
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,880
managed to get onto one of their horses with them,

1218
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:24,399
and she escaped. Unfortunately, though she escaped pregnant. I'm not

1219
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,960
sure she knew at the time, but she had a child.

1220
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,840
The family, including Afrusha's informance, were where that this child,

1221
01:21:34,199 --> 01:21:38,239
who I'm not making this up, was named Patrick. Of

1222
01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:44,600
all names, this child was half Sasquatch half modern human,

1223
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,399
which is kind of an amazing thing right there. To

1224
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,600
think we're dealing with something that can interread with us.

1225
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:55,640
That's a far cry from the elusive mountain ape that

1226
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:01,760
I grew up with. But I was able to get

1227
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,880
a few solid facts out of Red's paper, and I

1228
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:11,439
then shared those facts with Heather Moser of Small Town Monsters.

1229
01:22:13,399 --> 01:22:16,600
I knew her from a couple of documentaries they did,

1230
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,800
and they filmed me for those documentaries, and I got

1231
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,680
big parts in him. I'm like the folks. He Alaskan

1232
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:28,439
guy was my role. So I shared them with Heather

1233
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,359
because I knew she was very into genealogy, and I

1234
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,720
knew she had a subscription to one of these services,

1235
01:22:34,359 --> 01:22:36,199
and I knew she wouldn't be able to resist. I

1236
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:39,520
gave her just the basic facts I found about too

1237
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,560
late days later, she contacts me and says, I think

1238
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,279
I found him. I think he's a real person. He

1239
01:22:46,359 --> 01:22:49,279
left records. I don't think what Ed wrote is right.

1240
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,079
Ed wrote that Ed was told that he died about thirty.

1241
01:22:53,079 --> 01:22:56,359
But I think what happened was Patrick took a bad

1242
01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:59,279
turn in life and the relatives preferred to think of

1243
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:03,039
him as dead that point, but he actually he lived

1244
01:23:03,039 --> 01:23:06,000
to be seventy years old. I believe he had a

1245
01:23:06,039 --> 01:23:11,279
long life. He had eight children of his own, which

1246
01:23:11,319 --> 01:23:14,800
is amazing, and some of them had children. He outlived

1247
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,600
all but two of his children. I think it was

1248
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:24,600
Patrick was, despite his lifestyle, a very sturdy guy, very sturdy,

1249
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,159
but he had a problem with alcohol, for better or

1250
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:33,640
for worse, I mean personally that's definitely for worse. But

1251
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,319
that's part of why there's so much of a record,

1252
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:41,319
literal record at times. I found more than one hundred

1253
01:23:41,359 --> 01:23:46,800
and sixty documents that point two Patrick being an actual individual.

1254
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,079
This was a guy who had to register for two

1255
01:23:51,119 --> 01:23:55,000
World War drafts, two of them. This guy just could

1256
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:59,159
not catch a break. He applied for Social Security, he

1257
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,319
owned land, he got to the Indian allotment system. He

1258
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,399
ended up with about one hundred and four acres. I

1259
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,560
have in my possession a copy of the land patent

1260
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:15,079
signed by President Woodrow Wilson, which is stunning to think.

1261
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:18,920
I think he got citizenship in nineteen twenty four with

1262
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:23,319
the Indian Rights Voting Actor whatever it was called. We're talking,

1263
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,520
and this is my belief, and it's my belief based

1264
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,119
upon two years of research. I did the work to

1265
01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:33,520
earn for myself the belief in the story. Nobody else

1266
01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:37,840
even should believe this story. They should just maybe find

1267
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:44,720
it some more interesting material about sasquatch. But it convinced

1268
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:50,359
me that sasquatch deserves to be considered at least within

1269
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:55,079
the genus Homo. The genus our species, Homo sapiens is

1270
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,600
in and that's based upon the fact that they can

1271
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,920
intergree with us. That means they are closely related. We've

1272
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,640
got lots of abduction stories and I relate some of

1273
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:12,960
them in my book Before Patty, Volume one, Patrick, the Sasquatch,

1274
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:18,439
Human hybrid and Our Genetic Inheritance. And I refer to

1275
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:23,119
the genetic inheritance in the title because I mentioned already

1276
01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:26,159
the children that Patrick had, those of course would have

1277
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:30,000
been quarter Sasquatch. I've got pictures of three of them.

1278
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:33,960
There's a couple oddities in the pictures, not remarkably odd.

1279
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,039
You wouldn't probably take a second look at these children.

1280
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:43,279
Patrick himself was odd looking. But the genetic inheritance part

1281
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:49,359
comes from those kids had children, and those kids had children.

1282
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,119
I've found without looking, without trying. I've found descendants in

1283
01:25:54,199 --> 01:25:59,239
four different states. And that's without trying, because I personally,

1284
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:06,520
I would be horrified to have descendants outed. I don't

1285
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,520
want that to be through me, so I gave up

1286
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:14,640
looking at a certain point. But I did some math,

1287
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:19,399
and I calculated, based upon a couple of assumptions, that

1288
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:23,399
there's somewhere in the high forties of living descendants right

1289
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:28,039
now walking around in North America. A couple of them

1290
01:26:28,119 --> 01:26:30,600
might be off the continent by now, I don't know,

1291
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:36,239
but the genes are in US. It's not a matter

1292
01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:43,119
of they're related to us. It's a matter they're part

1293
01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:47,760
of us. They're literally part of us now and probably

1294
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:48,560
always have been.

1295
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting, and I've heard about the Russian and

1296
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,640
it seems to be true. Where can people find your

1297
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,920
book and what's the best place to purchase it?

1298
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 2: Off of well, the book is going to be easy

1299
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,640
to find. I set up a website mainly because I

1300
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,680
didn't want somebody to steal the domain name immediately. But

1301
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:20,000
it's before patty dot com, before patty dot com. There

1302
01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:23,720
you'll find some of the pictures I've taken of stick structures,

1303
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:28,119
including gifting stations, on there, but you'll also find links

1304
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:31,880
to the books I've written and before Patty is available

1305
01:27:32,199 --> 01:27:34,399
also at Amazon. You can go write to Amazon if

1306
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,479
you want. I don't care. I just you know, I'm

1307
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,159
passionate about the mission. I'm not here to make a

1308
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:44,239
lot of money. I just want people to stop shooting

1309
01:27:44,279 --> 01:27:47,199
at him and chasing them around, give them a break,

1310
01:27:47,239 --> 01:27:51,840
treat them like an uncontacted tribe. But before Patty dot Com,

1311
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,800
you can also just Google before Patty. I'm sure it'll

1312
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:59,399
pop up a couple places down as a book at Amazon.

1313
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,680
You can get it hardcover, you can get it ebook, Kindle,

1314
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:07,399
you can get it soft cover. You can also get

1315
01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:10,479
it to ingram Spark, which is a wholesaler for those

1316
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,880
of you libraries that would like to stock this book,

1317
01:28:13,319 --> 01:28:16,720
which I would love to see bring it full circle

1318
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,479
from me checking out John Green Books as a kid.

1319
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,199
But yeah, it should be easy to get.

1320
01:28:23,279 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: All right, Norman. I appreciate you for sharing your experiences

1321
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:29,319
and your book, and if somebody wants to check it out,

1322
01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:32,920
I'll put a link in the description and hopefully it'll

1323
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,239
help people better understand what these things truly are.

1324
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. I really appreciate the opportunity to talk

1325
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,680
about my experiences out about the book and to get

1326
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,680
that message across that we're dealing with an uncontacted tribe

1327
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,119
that doesn't want to be contacted. Really.

1328
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And if you run into anything else in

1329
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,199
the future and you feel the need to talk about it,

1330
01:28:57,239 --> 01:28:59,199
you can definitely contact the channel and I would love

1331
01:28:59,239 --> 01:28:59,840
to hear about it.

1332
01:29:01,079 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 2: Well, that's great, Miguiel. It is volume one, so you

1333
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,680
might hear from me a couple more times in the future.

1334
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:09,239
Speaker 1: Yea great, there might be a few more volumes in

1335
01:29:09,279 --> 01:29:11,960
the future. And definitely be safe when you're out there.

1336
01:29:12,039 --> 01:29:14,239
You live in Alaska, it's pretty rugged terrain. A lot

1337
01:29:14,279 --> 01:29:19,920
of people go missing. There's a lot of strange, unexplained

1338
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,399
activity taking place, So you be safe out there.

1339
01:29:22,399 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: Okay, will do Miguiel.

1340
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,199
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, Thank you, and you have an

1341
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:28,279
excellent day, my friend.

1342
01:29:29,399 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 2: Okay, you take care of brother.

1343
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,319
Speaker 1: All right. Thank you Norman for coming on and sharing

1344
01:29:37,359 --> 01:29:41,399
your experiences with everyone here on Sasquatch Theory. Whether you

1345
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:46,079
believe sasquatch is an undiscovered species, something supernatural, or simply

1346
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:50,840
an unexplained mystery, stories like this continue to leave people

1347
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:55,000
asking difficult questions. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure

1348
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,640
to like, subscribe and share it with someone who enjoys

1349
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:03,079
unexplained encounters and outdoor mysteries. If you've had an encounter

1350
01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:05,439
and would like to come on the show, send your

1351
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:11,640
experience to Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. I really

1352
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:16,760
do appreciate listening to people's personal encounters and experiences in

1353
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:21,359
the cryptied world, and it truly helps the channel continue growing,

1354
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,119
and many people wouldn't know what a cryptied creature is

1355
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:28,239
if it wasn't for channels like mine and many others.

1356
01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:30,840
And I know a lot of people think they've never

1357
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,800
had an encounter before and they start listening to these

1358
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,960
podcasts and realize that they've been followed out of the woods,

1359
01:30:37,039 --> 01:30:39,880
or they've heard strange noises in the woods that they

1360
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,840
can't identify and things slapping the house, and a lot

1361
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,079
of times people are just left puzzled and they never

1362
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:50,439
think bigfoot or crypted creatures until they hear these podcasts.

1363
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,359
So if you have an encounter that you would like

1364
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:55,159
to share, feel free to reach out sometime. And it

1365
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:57,520
would truly mean a lot to me and a lot

1366
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:02,119
of people who have experienced similar things out in the woods.

1367
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,560
But yeah, with all that being said, until the next one,

1368
01:31:06,359 --> 01:31:08,720
you guys, be safe out in the forest.