WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.000 So welcome to our latest episode of The Path Went Chili, 2 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:35.640 and Ashley is pretty busy right now, so we've given 3 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.200 her another break. So for the next series of episodes, 4 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:40.719 it'll just be Jewels in Myself again, where I will 5 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:43.159 provide her with details about a case and she will 6 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.280 give off her live reaction. So, Jules, have you ever 7 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:48.079 heard of the death of k Hall? 8 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:52.039 I don't think so. But once you give me the details, 9 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:54.640 like I say all the time, because clearly I'm terrible 10 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:58.000 at remembering names, I might recognize the details of this case. 11 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:01.039 But maybe not. Maybe this is completely foreign to me. 12 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:04.040 Well surprised, surprised. This was a case that was once 13 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.319 featured on Unsolved Mysteries. I originally covered it on the 14 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.719 Trail Went Cold as a Patreon bonus episode, but during 15 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.079 one of the weeks when I was taking time off, 16 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:15.879 we decided to release it into our main feeds. So 17 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.159 it is possible that you have heard the episode at 18 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:20.719 some point. And this is one of our favorite sub 19 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:24.799 genres Unsolved Mysteries, cases where a woman's disappearance or death 20 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:28.840 is under suspicion and their spouse is the prime suspect 21 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:31.359 and they were willing to appear on Unsolved Mysteries and 22 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:34.159 give an interview to proclaim their innocence, and thought it 23 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:36.519 would make them look good, but the majority of the 24 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:39.000 time it did not, and it wound up backfiring in 25 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:41.519 a huge way. This is one about a woman where 26 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:44.079 her husband was accused of running her over with her 27 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.719 own pickup truck. It did eventually reach a resolution, but 28 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.760 it was a very unsatisfying resolution. So there are a 29 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:53.640 lot of unanswered questions. And this is one of those 30 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:57.319 cases where you think, even if the suspected spouse was guilty, 31 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:00.120 how exactly did they pull it off? And that's that's 32 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.439 why I thought we should cover this one, because even 33 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:05.159 though from a legal standpoint it is solved, there's still 34 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:06.200 a lot to discuss. 35 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.719 Well, this sounds like a really interesting case. And to 36 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:13.400 think that if you were going to end the life 37 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.360 of your spouse, the idea of running them over, it 38 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:22.759 just it feels really horrific. Is there not another i mean, 39 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.120 less messy or painful way to do it, a way 40 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:31.199 that would as sure that that person would pass on calmly? 41 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.840 I mean just to run somebody over that feels so savage. 42 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.800 Yeah, I've always suspected that if the spouse did do 43 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.680 it in this case, it probably wasn't premeditated. It may 44 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:44.000 have been just a violent heat of the moment thing. 45 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:47.479 But what's really interesting to analyze is that the timeline 46 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:50.759 is so important because you can pretty much measure out 47 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.520 where certain people were at certain times, and you look 48 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.080 at it and you're wondering, Okay, would the spouse have 49 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.199 had enough time to pull this crime off and get 50 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:00.759 away with it? And what do you been known where 51 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:02.879 the victim was and known where to find her in 52 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:05.520 order to commit this crime. And that's why people are 53 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.680 still debating this one nearly forty years later, even though 54 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:10.159 it has technically resolved. 55 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:13.960 Well, I love a tricky timeline, So let's dig into 56 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:14.639 the details. 57 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.360 Okay. So it takes place in Virginia, and the victim 58 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.000 was Kay Hall, who was forty five years old at 59 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.840 the time of her death. During the nineteen seventies, she 60 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.800 was unmarried and was going under the name Kay Bredorius, 61 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.479 and she became acquainted with a guy named Bob Hall. 62 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:34.199 There really aren't that many details about Bob's previous life. 63 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.240 We do know that he had a daughter, but it's 64 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:39.439 unclear if he was married or if the relationship with 65 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.840 the mother just fell apart pretty quickly, and it sounds 66 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.919 like Bob and Kay were just casual acquaintances. But in 67 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.680 the early nineteen eighties, Bob wound up getting arrested for 68 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:52.159 selling drugs and he received a two year prison sentence, 69 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.439 And the details about this are murky, but somehow, after 70 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:59.840 Bob went behind bars, he and Kay developed a stronger relationship, 71 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:04.240 became involved in a prison pen pal program, and continually 72 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:07.080 corresponded over the course of the next two years. So 73 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.520 by the time Bob was released in nineteen eighty two, 74 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:12.280 Kay was waiting for him outside the prison to pick 75 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.479 him up, and she actually brought Bob home to live 76 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.920 with her. They developed a serious relationship. She pretty much 77 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:22.800 financially supported him before they got married in nineteen eighty five. 78 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:28.319 Wow. Okay, so that's a lot of information that's really interesting. 79 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.920 We have Bob Hall who has drug offenses in his past, 80 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:35.560 but insofar as we know, there's no violent offenses. 81 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:38.839 I'm not one hundred percent sure, because as we're going 82 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.399 to talk about, there would be allegations of domestic violence 83 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:44.079 in this marriage. But like I said, I don't know 84 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:47.839 any details about Bob's previously relationship with his daughter's mother, 85 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:50.879 So there could have been domestic violence. We just don't know. 86 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:53.519 Yeah, And I think we have to take the time 87 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:57.959 period into account that in many situations, women would be 88 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:01.800 a lot less likely to come forward versus today. Even now. 89 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:06.199 It's difficult, but if we're talking nineteen seventies nineteen eighties, 90 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:10.720 the view of authorities to a woman who would go 91 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:14.639 into a police station and talk about how her husband 92 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.879 was physically abusing her or abusing her in some way 93 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.160 might not be taken the same as it would today. 94 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:23.839 She might be laughed out of there if she got 95 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.759 a particularly insensitive police department. So there can be a 96 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.879 lot of variables that go into if a woman decides 97 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.879 to come forward and share her story, or a man 98 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:37.000 decides to share his story. So, like you said, just 99 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:40.040 because the information there, the absence of evidence, isn't the 100 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:41.279 evidence of absence. 101 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.519 Yeah, exactly, It is very possible that Bob did have 102 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.879 a prior history of violence. We just don't know about 103 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.000 it yet. But whatever happened, Even though it sounds like 104 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.120 Kay and Bob were nothing more than real casual acquaintances 105 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:55.959 before he went to prison, it seems like Kay developed 106 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:58.920 a fascination for him after he went behind bars, and 107 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.000 maybe she was just lone, maybe she just had a 108 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.800 hard time finding a man, so she decided to enter 109 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.160 this prison pen pal program and obviously thought of Bob 110 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:09.480 so highly that the moment he was released from prison, 111 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:11.199 she pretty much decided, I want to be in a 112 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.240 relationship with this guy, and I'm going to allow him 113 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:15.079 to live with me. So very unusual. 114 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.639 Yeah, I think oftentimes when you look at prison relationships, 115 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:22.519 there's a lot of different things to go into it. 116 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:27.120 If you are somebody who maybe wants a safe relationship 117 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.720 and that you can't get as emotionally devastated, and you 118 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:34.120 keep somebody at an arm's length, then being with somebody 119 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:38.079 who's in prison, you have that barrier between you, so 120 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:41.079 it can't get too deep. It can't get too serious 121 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.079 like it can, but it really can't in the same 122 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.639 way that having somebody physically near you a relationship would 123 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:52.879 typically develop. And then you have those who have hybristophilia 124 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.319 who are sexually attracted to those that who have criminal 125 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.680 or deviant acts, and that is arousing for them. But 126 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.959 it doesn't sound like that is the situation here. It's 127 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:07.319 not like Bob was out there doing violent, horrible things. 128 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:09.720 It's a drug offense, and we don't really know the 129 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.439 details of what type of drugs, do we No, We 130 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.720 don't no. So I mean, for all we know, it 131 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.680 could be marijuana, it might be something really minor. And 132 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:20.879 maybe when Bob went to prison it was just a 133 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.920 case that Cave was like, Wow, I really miss having 134 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.600 him in my life, and let's just see where this goes. 135 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:31.600 Because that's a big commitment to take on to write 136 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:33.600 to him in prison all the time, and then when 137 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:35.439 he gets out, to allow him to live with you, 138 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.040 and then to financially support him. So it sounds like 139 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:39.680 Kay was all in with Bob. 140 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:42.040 That's what it sounds like. Yeah, And you see him 141 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.759 interviewed on unsol Mysteries like, he doesn't come across as 142 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.040 like a creep. He sounds like someone that if you 143 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.399 just knew him as a casual acquaintance in real life, 144 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.639 you would think he was a decent guy. So I 145 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:54.439 obviously probably had some charm, even though he may have 146 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:56.560 just been using her to try to have a meal 147 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:00.680 ticket when he finally got released from prison. So the 148 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:04.120 couple lived in a community called Mary Point, Virginia, located 149 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.399 in Lancaster County and their home was on the shores 150 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:11.040 of the Corodamin River near at Chesapeake Bay. And even 151 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:14.240 though Kay had a successful career as an insurance executive 152 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:17.160 at that point, she decided to leave that behind to 153 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.839 open an oyster farming business with Bob, which whenever I 154 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:23.199 heard that term on Unsolved Mysteries, I was like, Wow, 155 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.680 I had never heard of that, But apparently it is 156 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:29.079 something that originated from France. It's very popular there where 157 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:32.919 you catch oysters and then sell off their shells and 158 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:35.720 their pearls and also sell them off for food and 159 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.159 you can apparently make a lot of money. And I 160 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.279 guess they are also prominent New yor Chesapeake Bay because 161 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:43.840 there are a lot of oysters there. But here it 162 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.519 turned out to be a disaster because within six months 163 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.399 the business ran into serious financial difficulties. Ka lost around 164 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.080 one hundred thousand dollars and she completely exhausted the assets 165 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:57.919 of her retirement fund, and perhaps nevitably, this caused friction 166 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.720 on the marriage, as Kay had this six scessful career 167 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.159 going on as an insurance executive and she decided to 168 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.440 go all in with her husband to start this new 169 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:08.039 business and it failed almost immediately. 170 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.159 I really wonder what the dynamics of this decision to 171 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:17.600 leave her career as a successful insurance executive to start 172 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:21.600 an oyster farm. What was it Bob who broached the 173 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.600 subject and really pushed and said, Hey, I've got this idea. 174 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:28.360 And maybe it sounds a little flash in the pan, 175 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.799 this oyster farm idea, but hey, we could if we 176 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.320 are successful, then this could be incredibly lucrative for us. 177 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:37.600 And that's a big if, because there's so many things 178 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.120 to go into starting a business, and then you have 179 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.679 something like oysters. If they're prominent, they're then great. But 180 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.200 I don't know what type of business plan or research 181 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.200 they put behind this before Kay decided this was a 182 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.799 good time to quit her very successful career that she 183 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:56.320 likely had spent years building up and building up the 184 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:59.440 relationships in order to get to where she had ascended to. 185 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.000 So it sounds like a big decision. I'm just curious 186 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.120 how much of it was Kay and how much of 187 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:06.919 it was Bob applying pressure. 188 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.200 Would not surprise me if it was Bob, and I 189 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:11.279 saw the confused look on your face when I mentioned 190 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.960 oyster farming for the first time, that's just not something 191 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.919 people familiar with. It sounds like a really niche business, 192 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:19.360 and it's obviously a lot of hard work because you 193 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.000 got to get a boat, you got to go out 194 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.639 there and catch oysters and hope that you're able to 195 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:26.879 sell enough of it to make a profit, and obviously 196 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.840 they didn't. Bob actually wound up declaring bankruptcy and he 197 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.759 had an interest in their home, but Kay decided to 198 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:36.279 sell it in order to satisfy a tax lean and 199 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:40.360 then Kay subsequently purchased Bob's interest in an internal revenue 200 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:44.240 delinquent tax sale. So the whole situation caused a negative 201 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.399 impact on their marriage, as the friend said that Bob 202 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:51.159 and Kay started drinking heavily and were constantly fighting, and 203 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:53.159 Kay even went so far as to tell a couple 204 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.360 of her friends that Bob was being physically abusive towards her, 205 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.159 And even though no one personally witnessed any abuse and 206 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:02.600 she'd never called the police, there were people who said 207 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.480 that they were called seeing her with bruises or black eyes, 208 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:09.600 so her allegations did seem credible. But in spite of that, 209 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.519 Kay said that she was willing to go to marriage 210 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:15.759 counseling and make try to make the relationship work. But 211 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.240 it sounds like that all the financial pressures and the 212 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:20.759 heavy drinking were just causing the marriage to get worse. 213 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.360 Wow. I feel really bad for Kay at this point 214 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.440 because she had everything going for her and then she 215 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:32.159 decides to embark on this relationship with Bob and everything 216 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.279 starts to fall apart. Not only did she lose her 217 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:40.080 very successful career, but her retirement fund or like her 218 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:43.399 retirement savings and all the save money that she had. 219 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.480 And then she had the tax Liane on the home 220 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.320 which she decided to sell and then bought Bob's part. 221 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.639 It seems like there's a lot of pressure. It sounds 222 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:55.159 like her marriage right now is a pressure cooker because 223 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:58.879 you have one a failed business too, You're going to 224 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.240 have to move and so your home, which we know 225 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.519 is one of the biggest stresses in life. And then 226 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.559 we add alcohol to the mix, so we have two 227 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:12.240 people who are potentially in the throes of alcohol used 228 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:16.759 disorder or just drinking too much. So that can really 229 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:20.960 shine a spotlight on any little, tiny issue. And if 230 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.679 we have domestic violence happening, which I choose to believe, women, 231 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.039 if Kay's telling her friends that that's what's happening in 232 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.279 their marriage, then I believe her. We've got no reason 233 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:35.080 not to. And Bob, obviously, when we don't know if 234 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:38.399 this is an alcohol fueled thing where he drinks and 235 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:41.799 then he's abusive, or if it's just the financial pressure 236 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.399 and potentially the power dynamics in that if he were 237 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.039 to split from Kay, what would he have k would 238 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.879 be okay, she could go and find another job in insurance. 239 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:54.919 Maybe it wouldn't be as lucrative as being an insurance executive. 240 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:58.080 But I feel as though she would be okay. But Bob, 241 00:12:58.159 --> 00:12:59.879 on the other hand, I'm not so sure. 242 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:02.799 Oh yeah, definitely like this later on is going to 243 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.639 be pushed forward as a potential motive for murder because 244 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.759 Kay had bought like Bob's interest in the house. Bob 245 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:12.279 was bankrupt, his business has gone downhill, so if she 246 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:14.720 left him, if she kicked him out, he would have nothing, 247 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.879 and obviously, as a former drug dealer who spent time 248 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:20.039 in prison, it's not going to be easy for him 249 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:23.879 to get another job. And sure enough, there would be 250 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.120 more money coming into this situation, which provided a potential 251 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:31.080 motive because on September the thirtieth, nineteen eighty seven, Kay 252 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:34.000 learned that she was going to inherit fifty thousand dollars 253 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.080 from a relative who passed away, and that was seriously 254 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.000 going to help her financial issues, and that very same 255 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:43.399 morning she immediately transferred half the money into her bank accounts. 256 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.360 So it sounds like things were going better for her, 257 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.080 But of course Bob would not be entitled to that 258 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:50.919 money if Kay decided to end the marriage, so you 259 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.600 can see how some tension was going to get even worse. 260 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.360 So later that very same night, Kay and Bob decided 261 00:13:57.360 --> 00:13:59.960 to go to a party at the Indian Creek Country Club, 262 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.080 which was located about fourteen miles from their home in 263 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.600 an adjacent county, Northumberland County. And everyone said that this 264 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.759 good fortune, this new inheritance, put Kay in a very 265 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:14.240 great mood. They described her as being outgoing and friendly 266 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.679 and being the life of the party. But her and 267 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.320 Bob started to partake in some heavy drinking and this 268 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:23.440 eventually led to another argument, and it sounds like the 269 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:26.399 big breaking point is that Kay got angry with Bob 270 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.240 because he apparently gave the bartender an unusually large tip, 271 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:32.840 which may have been the result of this big inheritance 272 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:35.600 where he finally decided I'm going to start tipping people, 273 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.960 even though it's technically not my money. So this caused 274 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.600 a huge rift, and Kay decided to storm out of 275 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:44.960 the country club at around eight pm and just decided 276 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.840 to get into her pickup truck and drive away, stranding 277 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:50.600 Bob there. So when the party ended, Bob did not 278 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.759 have a ride home, so another couple drove him home 279 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:57.080 and dropped him off at eight forty five PM. And 280 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:00.080 this is a very important detail because sometime within the 281 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.320 next hour Ka would be killed. And now we know 282 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:05.720 that Bob was at his house at eight forty five, 283 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:08.960 and there's gonna be a lot of unanswered questions about how, 284 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:11.519 if he did kill k did he know where to 285 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:12.000 find her. 286 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:17.639 Okay, that's interesting, So we see something some major cracks 287 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:20.960 in the marriage in that Bob is out there spending 288 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.639 and Kay is probably of the mindset that, like, let's 289 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.120 be more responsible. She was an insurance executive, so Kay's 290 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.879 good with numbers. We can assume that much, and we 291 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.600 can assume that she's got a pretty good eye on 292 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:36.639 what would be the right financial moves. And then we've 293 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:40.120 got Bob, who doesn't seem to be formally educated in 294 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:43.480 anything of the sort, and he was a former drug dealer, 295 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:45.960 so I mean it is possible that he could be 296 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.360 good with numbers. But if he's spending lavishly and tipping 297 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.360 money that isn't his, I could see how that would 298 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:55.919 frustrate Kay, especially if this is a pattern of behavior. 299 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.440 Bob is spending what they don't have, and now Ka 300 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.799 is in a situation where she's cleaning up his messes, 301 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:06.360 and it sounds like that that is a potential for 302 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:08.919 maybe what happen with you Oyster Farm. 303 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.519 Yeah, it sounds like the same type of thing where 304 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.399 Kay is in a great mood, like she says, I've 305 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.039 got this fifty thousand dollars inheritance, like this could be 306 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:19.879 the resolution to all our problems, and it leaves her 307 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.120 in a great mood, and then the very same night 308 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.200 she suddenly starts getting pissed off again because Bob is 309 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:28.919 becoming irresponsible and probably sent spending too much money. And 310 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:30.759 I think a lot of people who witness that argument 311 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.639 were probably thinking of themselves, hmm. Maybe now that Kay 312 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.320 has more financial security, she'll be more comfortable ending the marriage. 313 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:39.840 And this as we're going to find out is one 314 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.879 of the main reasons people suspected that Bob suddenly decided 315 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:44.919 that night that he was going to kill his wife 316 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:49.200 and possibly even gets entitled to inherit that fifty thousand dollars. 317 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:52.960 So it'd be around nine to fifty five pm, just 318 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:55.480 over an hour after Bob was dropped off at home, 319 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:58.120 when Kay would be discovered to be dead. Two car 320 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.639 loads of people who are leaving a party in Northumberland 321 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.759 County came across kse pickup truck parked on Bluff Point Road, 322 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:08.119 which was a dead end back road located two miles 323 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.200 east from the Indian Creek Country Club. And I find 324 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:14.200 that detail interesting because this is in the opposite direction 325 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.279 of the Hall's residence, because when Bob was dropped off 326 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:20.960 at home, they traveled fourteen miles west and here she 327 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:24.160 is two miles east from the club, in the opposite direction. 328 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:28.640 But these people would find Ka's body underneath the truck's tires, 329 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:30.920 and it was apparent that she had been run over 330 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.359 and crushed to death. The keys were in the truck's ignition, 331 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.119 the engine was still running, the lights were on, and 332 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.000 the transmission was in park. It appeared that someone had 333 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.559 backed over K's torso with the left rear tire, and 334 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.200 the driver then attempted to apply the brakes and stop 335 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.079 the truck, but it wound up skidding and this caused 336 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:52.880 the left front tire to catch Kse torso and pull 337 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.839 her backwards, which twisted her body into a very awkward position. 338 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.640 And because K's body was still warm, like her death 339 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.680 had taken place a very short time before her body 340 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.839 was discovered and under normal circumstances, people were thought, well, 341 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:10.720 could this be some tragic freak accident, But the fact 342 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:13.640 that the transmission was in park was a sign that 343 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:16.000 someone had deliberately backed the truck over her. 344 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:22.839 Okay, So the distance from where K's body is found 345 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.599 and the residence is how far sixteen miles? 346 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.599 Oh, we have the club where Bob and K were 347 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:34.480 which is located in Northumberland County, and it's fourteen miles 348 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.240 west from the club to the Hall residence, and it's 349 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.720 two miles east from the club to the spot where 350 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.880 K was found. So obviously, even you know you're suspecting Bob, 351 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:45.559 you're thinking to yourself, why was Kay in this particular 352 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:47.960 location and how did Bob know where to find her? 353 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:48.680 If he did it. 354 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:52.039 Yeah, Like initially I was thinking if this was just 355 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.880 like two miles away, then I could see a scenario 356 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.240 where Bob comes home. K's home already and he says, 357 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.279 let's go for a and talk, and they go for 358 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:06.000 a drive. Then they're arguing. At some point she gets 359 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.559 out of the vehicle, he runs her over, and then 360 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:12.119 he jogs back to the residents. I guess there's still 361 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.279 a possibility that that could have happened, and he hitchhiked 362 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:18.880 and got back to his home, and that way he 363 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.799 wouldn't have to know where to find her because she 364 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.559 was already at home. They took the vehicle and then 365 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.079 he just left it there and then hitchhiked. I mean, 366 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:29.319 you're taking a pretty large risk if you're going to hitchhike, 367 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.200 because you're exposing yourself to somebody. But this is before 368 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:36.000 social media. This is before the internet, right, what years. 369 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:37.119 This again, nineteen eighty seven? 370 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.359 Oh yeah, so the internet wasn't what, It wasn't a 371 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:43.720 variable here, Like they wouldn't have had a computer. And 372 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:49.240 so if somebody is getting the news that somebody may 373 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:51.960 have hitched a ride and they want information pertaining to that, 374 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.319 you would have to catch it very specifically on your 375 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:57.880 local news, I would think, because there'd really be no 376 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:01.160 other way to disseminate that information pretty much. 377 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:03.480 Yeah, And as we're going to talk about, Bob did 378 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.440 own a jeep that he had at his residence, so theoretically, 379 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.720 after he was dropped off, he could have climbed into 380 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:11.920 the jeep and gone out driving and found Kay. And 381 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.079 as we're going to talk about, there is some evidence 382 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:16.319 to suggest he did use a vehicle that night. But 383 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:18.680 once again, the question is how did he know where 384 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.599 Kay was? Because this was in the opposite direction of 385 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:23.720 the club. As far as I can tell, there was 386 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:28.079 no significance to this particular road. So Bob theoretically could 387 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.759 have driven to this spot, killed k and driven home. 388 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:33.559 The timeline is possible, but it's just a matter of 389 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:36.079 would he know where to find her because obviously in 390 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:38.599 nineteen eighty seven there aren't any cell phones, so it's 391 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:40.359 not like he could have called She could have called 392 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:43.480 Bob and say, come meet me at this specific spot. 393 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:47.319 And wasn't she run over with her own vehicle? She was, yes, 394 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:50.559 So what did Bob find her and then get her 395 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:52.880 out of the driver's seat and then push her out 396 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:55.039 and then run her over. It would make more sense 397 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.519 if she was run over by another vehicle. 398 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:00.720 Yeah, exactly. That's why it is so unusual about this case, 399 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.640 is the running over with her own truck. And at 400 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.119 first they even explored the possibility that it could have 401 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:09.319