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<v Speaker 1>You see somethings going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the occult Rejects in this episode. We got

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<v Speaker 2>myself obviously, and we got a couple of the rejects

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<v Speaker 2>with us today. And we've got Bennett joining us from

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<v Speaker 2>broadcasting Seeds. Uh today. Uh. I'll let everybody go around

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<v Speaker 2>and introduce themselves. Lisa, what is going on? The mid scientist?

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<v Speaker 4>How?

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<v Speaker 5>What?

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<v Speaker 6>How are you? I am excited at this. When you

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<v Speaker 6>sent me the notification on the title, I was like,

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<v Speaker 6>this is gonna be a killer episode. Can't wait.

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<v Speaker 7>No pun intended, killer.

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<v Speaker 6>Pun, totally intended. So I'm believing for our jul usually

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<v Speaker 6>brings the heat. I love when she covers, especially serial

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<v Speaker 6>killers or whatever. It's always a fun ride. So thank

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<v Speaker 6>you so much for having me on and invite me on.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh of course, thank you. I'm glad you can make it.

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<v Speaker 2>And we got Brooke joining us as well tonight. What

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<v Speaker 2>is going on?

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<v Speaker 5>Hi?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm happy to be here with the fellow rejects as well.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm super excited to get into this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely should be something something interesting. Just put the name.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, what's the fun? So awesome, and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much for joining us. And we got Jewels from

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<v Speaker 2>Great Pill Podcast. What is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Man?

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<v Speaker 9>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 8>Man?

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<v Speaker 9>What's up? Everybody? Jewels the Great Pill Podcast. You probably

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<v Speaker 9>see me on here a lot. I'm more into the

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<v Speaker 9>occult esoteric realm of things, but I do love true

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<v Speaker 9>crime and the pair of political so it's always fun

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<v Speaker 9>to get in on these conversations. And I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 9>invite me man, y'all go find me on Patreon on

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<v Speaker 9>patreon dot com slash Grateful podcast. You get a free

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<v Speaker 9>sticker pack hell and uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, Yeah, thank you very much for joining us. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for the other people who may not know who he

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<v Speaker 2>is yet, I mean, even though he's been on the

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<v Speaker 2>show a few times, he does cover occult stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>he does like specific topics. We've had him on for

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. I highly suggest to go check out

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<v Speaker 2>his channel if you're into the eculty does have stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that's worthy of listening to. So thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us, Jules, I appreciate it. And we got

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<v Speaker 2>Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds. What is going on?

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<v Speaker 4>My man?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy you were able to join us tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>How how is everybody. I appreciate you having me on again.

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<v Speaker 1>Bennett Tanton from Broadcasting Seeds Broadcasting Seeds dot Com. I

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much talk about everything in the highest strangeness realm

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<v Speaker 1>from and I would include true crime in that too,

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<v Speaker 1>because some of that shit gets freaky. So so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you having me on, and uh, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, of course, no, thank you very much. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just on your show recently. I had a blast, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy to have you. Hell yeah, yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>good chat. Good chat. And finally to the guests of

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<v Speaker 2>the hour, hour and a half, Julia from Cosmic Peach,

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Julia?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 7>What's up? Nick? I'm so excited for this one. Thanks

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<v Speaker 7>for having me on to present this. It's going to

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<v Speaker 7>be a blast. And obviously I've covered similar topics like

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<v Speaker 7>this before on Occult Rejects, as far as the program

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<v Speaker 7>Serial Killers and the like, but uh, this one I

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<v Speaker 7>found on my own. This one did not come from

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<v Speaker 7>the program to Kill book. But I feel like if

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<v Speaker 7>David McGowan would have known about this guy, he would

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<v Speaker 7>have been in the book because damn, you know, there

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<v Speaker 7>is a lot of connections with this guy to the

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<v Speaker 7>whole program to kill Blueprint, and you'll kind see that

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<v Speaker 7>as as the presentation moves along. But so you look

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<v Speaker 7>at this Bennett first comment of the night s ASM

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<v Speaker 7>mar channel. They want you to read them bedtime stories.

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was always I've always been told that

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<v Speaker 1>I should be doing a bedtime stories with uncle Bennett.

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<v Speaker 7>So we have we have jewels over here. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 7>fucking Matthew McConaughey and big be reading kids bedtime stories

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<v Speaker 7>ghost bedtime stories. This is gonna be an interesting This

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<v Speaker 7>is gonna be a really good show. I already have

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<v Speaker 7>a feeling already.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a dark and stormy night.

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<v Speaker 9>That's not the first time I've heard that.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, so obviously I want you guys to bust

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<v Speaker 7>in if you have any questions or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 7>and or if you I mean, are you guys familiar

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<v Speaker 7>with this guy at all? Randy Kraft, have you heard

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<v Speaker 7>about him? Do you know what he did? Anything?

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<v Speaker 1>I know? Yeah, he wrote Bennett, Yeah, like legit. I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 1>part of it is because I was in the Marines

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<v Speaker 1>and he killed a whole bunch of Marines. So oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's how I.

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<v Speaker 8>Know Well, when I saw the topic for the show,

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<v Speaker 8>I did research thinking we were going to be talking

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<v Speaker 8>about the government cheese stores.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, yeah, that's what I was hoping for too.

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<v Speaker 2>Even when I made the thumbnail of it was like yo, chat,

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<v Speaker 2>GPD couldn't throw fucking cheese in the picture.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, I always get pissed off because a

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<v Speaker 7>lot like what's talked about in Program to Kill is

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<v Speaker 7>how these guys get these like super Bitch and monikers

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<v Speaker 7>like Green River Killer, hill Side Strangler, BTK, Buying, Torture Killed,

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<v Speaker 7>and they go down as like these mega villains and histories,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, deadly at crime and all that. They almost

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<v Speaker 7>get like sensationalized and almost like they're a celebrity or

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<v Speaker 7>something because they get these like the Zodiac Killer and

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<v Speaker 7>shit like that. So Randy Craft is actually known by

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<v Speaker 7>many things. He's known as the Scorecard Killer and the

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<v Speaker 7>Southern California Strangler. But I gave him my own moniker

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<v Speaker 7>because I think, obviously, if you have a last name

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<v Speaker 7>like Craft and you are in the Army, I think

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<v Speaker 7>air Force. Actually he's in the Air Force. His last

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<v Speaker 7>name is Craft, and he's a piece of human dog shit,

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<v Speaker 7>and so he deserves to have a ridiculous moniker because

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<v Speaker 7>he's a ridiculous person, and so I named him the

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<v Speaker 7>Government cheese Killer because yeah, fuck this guy. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>get to go down as like history's mega villain. In

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<v Speaker 7>my opinion, he just doesn't like this. Some of the stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>It is so repulsive. It was hard for me to

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<v Speaker 7>almost get through the research because it was turning my

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<v Speaker 7>stomach like inside out, and I couldn't believe I had

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<v Speaker 7>never heard of this guy before. You hear about all

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<v Speaker 7>of like the top dogs like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy,

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<v Speaker 7>the Zodiac, that those are all infamous and everybody knows

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<v Speaker 7>about him. But my husband was listening to this podcast

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<v Speaker 7>the other day and they were talking about Randy Kraft

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<v Speaker 7>and like all this stuff he did, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 7>who the fuck is this guy? And then you look

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<v Speaker 7>at his crimes and you're like, what the actual fuck

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<v Speaker 7>is this? You know, it's it deserves definitely its own episode.

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<v Speaker 7>But at the end of this, I'm actually going to

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<v Speaker 7>show you how he could have been possibly confused for

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<v Speaker 7>like three other guys who were doing the same thing

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<v Speaker 7>around the same time, and whether or not they knew

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<v Speaker 7>about each other. Remains a mystery, but it just seems

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<v Speaker 7>odd that three serial killers would be in the same area,

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<v Speaker 7>perpetrating almost identical crimes to each other, all in the

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<v Speaker 7>just seems a little bit too much for coincidence in

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<v Speaker 7>my opinion. But yeah, did you guys have any questions

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<v Speaker 7>about this guy before we get started?

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<v Speaker 8>I just want to say I like that you gave

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<v Speaker 8>him a crappy name to go with it, because it

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<v Speaker 8>kind of reminds me a btk. He wanted to be

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<v Speaker 8>called something cool. He wanted that notoriety.

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<v Speaker 10>And you're right, they just don't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 7>They don't, right, Thank you, Broke. It's like you don't

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<v Speaker 7>get to go down as like buying torture killed. Did

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<v Speaker 7>you see that guy? First off, his name is fucking Dennis.

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<v Speaker 7>His name is Dennis, and he looks like one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>he does look like a Dennis. And he wore these

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<v Speaker 7>fucking huge ass eighties dad glasses and he like helped

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<v Speaker 7>out at his church's youth group or something like that.

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<v Speaker 7>If you saw him, if you saw Dennis Raider at Walmart,

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<v Speaker 7>you'd be like, for sure, he has like a boy

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<v Speaker 7>scout camp somewhere that he runs like. He just looked

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<v Speaker 7>like this totally upstanding, like nerd, douchebag guy that you know,

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<v Speaker 7>this is your typical, you know, common eighties dad. But no,

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<v Speaker 7>he's buying torture kill crazy shit, right, So.

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<v Speaker 6>Julia, isn't it weird that like most of these notorious

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<v Speaker 6>or infamous killers are from southern California or Southern California esque,

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<v Speaker 6>or they visited southern California or they have some sort

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<v Speaker 6>of association with Southern California.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Lisa's hitting it right on the head with that,

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<v Speaker 7>because if you read Program to Kill, one of the

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<v Speaker 7>things that he talks about is how just in California alone,

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<v Speaker 7>like all of these Cereal Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, Randy Krat, Richard Ramirez, I mean, they all

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<v Speaker 7>come out of California. And it is even documented that

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<v Speaker 7>Ted Bundy flew to California for a considerable period a

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<v Speaker 7>time when he was doing something before he went back

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<v Speaker 7>to Seattle and became the Ripper that we know, maybe

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<v Speaker 7>he was doing something.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a Mormon. I don't know if people know.

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<v Speaker 7>That he he and he had the complete backing support

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<v Speaker 7>of his local Mormon church the first time he got arrested,

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<v Speaker 7>and they all made fucking signs for him, and they

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<v Speaker 7>said we love Ted, and they were outside the courthouse

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<v Speaker 7>rubbing their fucking nipples. You go, Ted is a good guy? Ted, Like,

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<v Speaker 7>what are you talking about? He's literally a fucking rapist, murderer.

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<v Speaker 7>It just kills me. It kills me, Like you guys

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<v Speaker 7>are supposed to have great intuition and be so close

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<v Speaker 7>to the Lord, and you guys got Joseph Smith and

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<v Speaker 7>all this shit going on. You're supposed to be all,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, intuitive and you got literally a poster saying

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<v Speaker 7>we love Ted. He probably raped and murdered six to

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<v Speaker 7>your kids, and you got to sign outside the court

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<v Speaker 7>out saying we love Ted. Like that, to me is

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<v Speaker 7>how crazy all of this gets. Because these people hide

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<v Speaker 7>in plain sight. And I don't think that it's an accident.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's by design. They're master manipulators. They're highly

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<v Speaker 7>functioning psychopaths, and I think that they are chosen because

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<v Speaker 7>of this to be a part of these programs. Highly

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<v Speaker 7>functioning psychopaths, narcissists, manipulative, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 7>you don't get chosen to be a part of the

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<v Speaker 7>program to kill academy. If you're just like a normal

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<v Speaker 7>guy who has a podcast and works for progressive you know,

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<v Speaker 7>that's you're not gonna get chosen.

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<v Speaker 9>And that kind of into like, you know, how how

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<v Speaker 9>long were these people prepped before they started to commit

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<v Speaker 9>these crimes like where they kidnapped as children, where they

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<v Speaker 9>bred into it, you know, and that goes into s

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, well, Jules, think of think of it like this.

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<v Speaker 7>They set up all these gifted and talented programs at

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<v Speaker 7>schools looking for something. Okay, they set up a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of programs for for young kids. Then they're clearly looking

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<v Speaker 7>there's a story about Jeffrey Dahmer going on a school

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<v Speaker 7>field trip to Washington and he some makes some kind

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<v Speaker 7>of anomalous phone call to who we don't know, and

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<v Speaker 7>he is able to arrange a private tour of the

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<v Speaker 7>White House for him and all of his uh student

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<v Speaker 7>friends in his class. Like why who the fuck did

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<v Speaker 7>he call? And how does he know somebody at the

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<v Speaker 9>No matter ask those questions.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, the thing is, it's like, all right, everybody knows

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<v Speaker 7>about that. Everybody knows that Jeffrey Dummer. Oh he's so funny.

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<v Speaker 7>He made a phone call and he got this private

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<v Speaker 7>tour at the White House. He's also said to be

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<v Speaker 7>the army. I mean, it's like, I think that they

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<v Speaker 7>find these kids at a young age, and I think

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<v Speaker 7>that they're looking for these specific markers and if you

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<v Speaker 7>fit the you know, whatever it is, if you check

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<v Speaker 7>all the boxes, you get to be a part of

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<v Speaker 7>something like this. And most of the time I think

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<v Speaker 7>that they are programmed to either forget their crimes or

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<v Speaker 7>kind of like Manchurian candidates. It's like, go out, they

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<v Speaker 7>doing it, or they don't remember being programmed to do it.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know a lot of people's oh, not everything

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<v Speaker 7>is cia, Not everything is, And that's true, but there

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<v Speaker 7>is a blueprint actually that you can look for. Not

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<v Speaker 7>every serial killer meets that criteria, but the ones that do,

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<v Speaker 7>it's too much in common to just be a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 7>And this guy is one of them, just like Ted

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<v Speaker 7>Bundy Dahmer. They all fit this blueprint and this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>but real quick before you go. And I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>going off a little off topic, but like you had

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<v Speaker 2>the White House. I mean even when Gaysey was in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>he had I forgot what you call it, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>like when you just have one hole in golf that

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<v Speaker 2>you just keep on trying to get it in. You

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<v Speaker 2>had one of those installed in the prison he was in.

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<v Speaker 2>You get this dumb while you're in jail.

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<v Speaker 7>He all also had like McDonald's delivered to his fucking cell,

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<v Speaker 7>and he had like civilian clothing delivered to him, and

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<v Speaker 7>he had like all this stuff. He has a picture

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<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He used to run He

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, so he was a part of the j

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<v Speaker 7>talking about if you look, because Ted Bundy was also

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<v Speaker 7>involved in politics, and you know, he was a Mormon,

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<v Speaker 7>he was, you know, has been. It was saying he

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<v Speaker 7>was really involved in his community, and it made people

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<v Speaker 7>think like, oh, they couldn't he couldn't possibly be doing

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<v Speaker 7>this stuff because he's such a stand up guy. Look

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<v Speaker 7>at him. He's great. And it's by design that these

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<v Speaker 7>helping out at his church and he's like, you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's not an accident that these guys are master

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<v Speaker 7>chameleons and they just kind of like you know, blend

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<v Speaker 7>into their surroundings. This guy, Randy Kraft, he was enrolled

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<v Speaker 7>in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and he was also

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<v Speaker 7>involved in some kind of campaign rallies for Barry Goldwater

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<v Speaker 7>in nineteen sixty four, and he was also like really

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<v Speaker 7>involved in supporting the Vietnam War, and that was like

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<v Speaker 7>his first taste of like becoming political. And he actually

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<v Speaker 7>ended up organizing campaign rallies for Robert F. Kennedy and

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<v Speaker 7>he got real tight with Robert F. Kennedy and he

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<v Speaker 7>got like some kind of letter of recognition or something

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<v Speaker 7>so much with his campaign. So again, if you look

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<v Speaker 7>for like the subtle clues in the background, they're always

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<v Speaker 7>going to be there somehow, political, somehow in a gifted

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<v Speaker 7>and talented program at school, highly functioning psychopath, narcissist. It's

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<v Speaker 7>like always hidden somewhere in there, and if you look

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<v Speaker 7>hard enough you'll find it. So a lot like Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 7>Dahmer and Ted Bundy, Randy Kraft also seems to be

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<v Speaker 7>able to elude police officers multiple times or downright just

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<v Speaker 7>get away with shit, get arrested and get almost no bail,

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<v Speaker 7>a very small bail, or not arrested at all, Like

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<v Speaker 7>how like that has to be another part of the

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<v Speaker 7>blueprint is how can you keep getting arrested? How can

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<v Speaker 7>you keep getting in trouble for the same bullshit over

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<v Speaker 7>and over again and nothing ever happens to you. Like

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<v Speaker 7>in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer, he has victims that

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<v Speaker 7>actually got returned back to him by police.

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<v Speaker 2>Officer that story it's like, how to come.

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<v Speaker 7>On, this guy did too, Randy Craft, police officers brought

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<v Speaker 7>a victim who just said that guy raped me. In

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<v Speaker 7>the asshole, beat me over the head, drugged me, molested me.

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<v Speaker 7>He was in the hospital. They took him back to

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<v Speaker 7>Randy Craft's apartment, never filed any charges against him, He

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<v Speaker 7>didn't even get he didn't even get a night in jail,

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<v Speaker 7>and just skirt it on the whole thing. That was

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<v Speaker 7>his first victim. So again, if you look at this stuff,

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<v Speaker 7>it's too much to be a coincidence. Like how does

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<v Speaker 7>Jeffrey Dahmer and this guy who have so much in

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<v Speaker 7>comment from their past end up getting victims returned to

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, another common thing I've noticed too. This could

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<v Speaker 2>maybe just be happens, you know, just coincidental. But you

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<v Speaker 2>if they would have gone to jail, either for the

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<v Speaker 2>right amount of time for the first crime they committed

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<v Speaker 2>or things that they should have gotten arrested for to

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<v Speaker 2>begin with, all this other shit never would have happened,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like Bundy Gacy and this guy, if they

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<v Speaker 2>would have gotten caught or Gaysey would have stayed in

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<v Speaker 2>jail as long as you would have supposed to have

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<v Speaker 8>Other motherfuckers, and Charles Manson the same thing happened with him.

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<v Speaker 8>He was arrested and let go a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Wow, these guys there, many of these serial killer guys, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that the fuck there? They just what ends up happening

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<v Speaker 1>is that they they're nice, clean cut guys, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's all a personaly literally a dual personality, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>are highly intelligent, and they do this stuff to just

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<v Speaker 1>cover it up, and they end up getting into positions

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<v Speaker 1>get into politics, right. I mean they literally, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mold themselves into high functioning organized killers because that's the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing about Craft is he's so organized, well, all

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<v Speaker 1>of them, Donald or Bundy. So they're able to get

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<v Speaker 1>away with it for so long. You know, they're polished, intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>well integrated into society, all that stuff. Respectable. They put

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<v Speaker 7>And sometimes they even you know, I feel like they

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<v Speaker 7>go out of their ways to even pick kind of

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<v Speaker 7>attractive people because you do hear about like, there's one

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<v Speaker 7>that I really want to talk to you guys about

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<v Speaker 7>in a future episode. His name is Rodney al Koala,

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<v Speaker 7>He's also known as the Dating Game Killer, and they

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<v Speaker 7>Woman of the Hour and it talks about his crimes

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<v Speaker 7>and stuff. What they won't tell you in that movie though,

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<v Speaker 7>or any Netflix documentary, is this guy's also definitely fits

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<v Speaker 7>the blueprint for program to kill. But he's a good

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<v Speaker 7>fucking looking guy. He's like a fair of faucet haircuted,

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<v Speaker 7>fucking freak strangler. And if you saw the guy, you

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<v Speaker 7>would definitely be interested in him. Like some people talk

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<v Speaker 7>about Ted Bundy was attractive Rodney I'll call it was

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<v Speaker 7>like a Native American guy or something like that. He

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<v Speaker 7>had like real dark hair, you know, tall, dark and handsome,

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<v Speaker 7>ended up fucking raping and murdering one hundred and thirty women.

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<v Speaker 7>Like that's to me, it's like they go out of

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<v Speaker 7>their way to like find attractive, extremely intelligent, manipulative psychopaths

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<v Speaker 7>to be a part of this. You know, the only one.

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<v Speaker 6>You're saying, Julia, what you're saying, Julia is a them.

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<v Speaker 6>And the pharmaceutical reps also look for attractive people too.

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<v Speaker 7>One hundred The pharmaceutical reps are horrible for that ship.

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<v Speaker 7>They'll send like a girl with their tits half out

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<v Speaker 7>pretty much up into a place that literally just like

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<v Speaker 7>a handful of pills. And the thing that I love

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<v Speaker 7>Chick fil A. The thing that I always say, though,

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<v Speaker 7>is the one person I can think of that doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>fit that uh stereotype would be John Wayne Gacy because

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<v Speaker 7>he was just a fat, gross motherfucker, just a nasty

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<v Speaker 7>He just looked like he like mopped floors at KFC,

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<v Speaker 7>Like you just see him and be like gross.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he did, if I remember correctly, No joke. Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>he actually run KFCs before he started doing He.

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<v Speaker 7>Did, He did, and he requested KFC for his last meal.

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<v Speaker 10>And it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 8>One inspiration too for Captains Spalding, so kind of the

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<v Speaker 8>same vibe. I'm pretty sure when Rob Zombie was crafting

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<v Speaker 7>I have a questions for you.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, and he and Captain Spaulding sells chicken Freaky gas station.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh that's funny.

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<v Speaker 8>So when you were when you were talking about how

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<v Speaker 8>there's several I think you'll probably get to it, but

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<v Speaker 8>how they were all some other active serial killers in

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<v Speaker 8>the area. I'm not sure if you watch the show

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<v Speaker 8>Sandman or not. But okay, So basically, there's this convention

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<v Speaker 8>of serial killers that all come together once a year

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<v Speaker 8>and they break off into many groups, like depending on

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<v Speaker 8>if they're like religious killers or people who poison or

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<v Speaker 8>go for organs, they like break up. When you said that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>and you said they could be working together, my mind

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<v Speaker 8>went there. And I know in the pass on the Rejects,

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<v Speaker 8>you guys have talked about potentially a serial killer.

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<v Speaker 10>Ring in the United States. I think that that's.

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<v Speaker 8>Incredibly possible that they could have been in some facet

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<v Speaker 8>aware of what one another was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think forty eight serial killers in California, Julia, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it was.

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<v Speaker 7>That's too much. I mean, that's too much. And it's

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<v Speaker 7>like Brooke was saying, Actually, Nick, if maybe you were

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<v Speaker 7>too high at the time, but maybe not, you could

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<v Speaker 7>remember this. We actually covered the Sandman together in an

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<v Speaker 7>episode called Netflix and Chill or something like that. Do

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<v Speaker 7>you remember, And we talked about that serial killer convention

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<v Speaker 7>because it was like pedophile serial killers and they all

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<v Speaker 7>get just go to this one one convention at a

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<v Speaker 7>hotel and talk and exchange notes and like you know,

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<v Speaker 7>trade secrets and shit like that and they put their

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<v Speaker 7>heads together. But it seems to.

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<v Speaker 6>Me, kill con by the way Jill kill kill a con,

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<v Speaker 6>Kill a con. I'm just going to get a joke.

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<v Speaker 7>That'd be a good thing.

421
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<v Speaker 10>I think in the show it was a serial convention,

422
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<v Speaker 10>but like the cereal You Eat?

423
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<v Speaker 7>Oh, I was sitting here thinking like they had some

424
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<v Speaker 7>kind of a cover.

425
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<v Speaker 2>Of a magazine.

426
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<v Speaker 8>Up and they're like, where's the fruit looves, Like, we

427
00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:27.680
<v Speaker 8>don't see any cereal?

428
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<v Speaker 7>Right. That's actually a really good show if anybody hasn't

429
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:35.839
<v Speaker 7>watched it. It's full of esoteric and occult symbolism, as

430
00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:38.920
<v Speaker 7>Nick pointed out in the show we did together. But

431
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<v Speaker 7>I do think they're aware of each other. I do

432
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<v Speaker 7>think that some serial killers can just be random psychos

433
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<v Speaker 7>that go nuts and just end up killing people. I'm

434
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<v Speaker 7>not going to say all of them are programmed killers,

435
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.400
<v Speaker 7>but the ones that you find that are almost sensationalized

436
00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.240
<v Speaker 7>to a degree of becoming a celebrity or something that

437
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.599
<v Speaker 7>or their crimes and their backgrounds are so similar to

438
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.440
<v Speaker 7>each other that you're like, what are the odds? Like

439
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.319
<v Speaker 7>they had to have known about each other. They're they're

440
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:13.759
<v Speaker 7>like killing their victims in the same exact way. They

441
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:16.519
<v Speaker 7>live a couple of blocks from each other. Like, how

442
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:17.599
<v Speaker 7>how does this happen?

443
00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:21.240
<v Speaker 6>You know they write letters to each other. I know

444
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.880
<v Speaker 6>that there there have been a couple of people that

445
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:27.160
<v Speaker 6>Nick and I have covered that they were exchanging letters

446
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:32.640
<v Speaker 6>with each other. I think he was exchanging letters with BTK,

447
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:33.240
<v Speaker 6>wasn't he?

448
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, Yeah, they're having conversations.

449
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 6>They were having conversations. They were each other that that

450
00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:47.680
<v Speaker 6>is not uncommon for for these convicted serial killers, that

451
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:52.559
<v Speaker 6>they will exchange letters with each other, to each other

452
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:53.640
<v Speaker 6>or whatever.

453
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Right, So do you remember when we covied that. I

454
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.759
<v Speaker 2>can't remember exactly what it matched, but I saw it

455
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:03.720
<v Speaker 2>take and like bt K and putting certain words through

456
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Jamatra and like certain things were actually matching, like Oyster

457
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Bay or like the town, like the area where fucking

458
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>should happened. I was like, yo, is this something like

459
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.640
<v Speaker 2>weird like cult stuff going on here in the news?

460
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.240
<v Speaker 6>And it was it was btk's daughter. And then the

461
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:24.319
<v Speaker 6>what was it? Not the Sunshine Killer but the Smiley Killer,

462
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 6>not small face killers, but.

463
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know it was it was happy Face happy

464
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Face killer, happy Face.

465
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:39.319
<v Speaker 6>Happy his daughter and then btk's daughter came out and

466
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 6>were in support of rex Hureman's family as well as

467
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.480
<v Speaker 6>her daughter, and they were very vocal in protecting her

468
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 6>and trying to provide some sort of support. Started up

469
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 6>an entire goal fundme. We kind of did a little

470
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.000
<v Speaker 6>bit of background on the daughter of Happy Face. She's

471
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:57.240
<v Speaker 6>wanted for that.

472
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>And she's yeah, scam artists, scam outists.

473
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 6>But she has I think money crime.

474
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a money crime and it's not illegal.

475
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 2>We used in tell us. We had a two week

476
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 2>trial and we threw a name in there and that's

477
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>what came up. She's already committed crimes with money and

478
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.519
<v Speaker 2>the only reason we were even getting into that. And

479
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, we can get back to the topic. But

480
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.839
<v Speaker 2>like when it comes to true crime, there is something,

481
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, you saw looking at these it's always

482
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.680
<v Speaker 2>the weird ones are the ones that make no sense

483
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>and seem off the wall. That everybody's got gofundmes going on.

484
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a fucking grift. There's something going on. The people

485
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>who were even involved in the crimes and possibly are

486
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.799
<v Speaker 2>even playing games with money. Who the fuck knows, but

487
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>something's up. There's always these weird gofundmies going on. People

488
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:47.720
<v Speaker 2>raising them fifty grand, so I can go watch the

489
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.640
<v Speaker 2>coburger try. What the fuck you need fifty grand?

490
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.559
<v Speaker 6>You go watch a trial for I had a question

491
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 6>for Juliet. Do you think that there is like an

492
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:59.440
<v Speaker 6>A team, B team or strings?

493
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, because Lisa think about it like this. Not only

494
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 7>could these be government programs that are broken up into

495
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 7>sub sex for like whatever, mixing business with pleasure essentially

496
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.279
<v Speaker 7>like gay guys. Obviously you got like Jeffrey Dahmer, and

497
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 7>then you got guys like Rodney I'll Calla and Ted Bundy.

498
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 7>They're not gay, but they murder their victims in a

499
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 7>really similar way. I think that they're also mixed up

500
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 7>with magic in some way. The ritualism behind the crimes,

501
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 7>the areas in which they're perpetrating the crimes, the neighborhoods.

502
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 1>And.

503
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<v Speaker 9>Sorry, have you found any kind of significance to the

504
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.359
<v Speaker 9>date of the certain crimes.

505
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:45.799
<v Speaker 7>It's interesting to think about because I actually think a

506
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 7>lot of the victim they'll say like, oh, we found

507
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 7>this body at this time, and we found this body

508
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 7>at this time. But there were so many active serial

509
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.279
<v Speaker 7>killers in and around the time Randy Craft was ripping

510
00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:01.920
<v Speaker 7>and running through dudes buttholes during this time, I don't

511
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:05.279
<v Speaker 7>know who killed who. There was too many. It's like

512
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 7>there's like eighty victims and three serial killers and they

513
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.640
<v Speaker 7>can't tell who the fuck did what. And it's like,

514
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 7>obviously this is significant someone because they're murdering in clusters

515
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.759
<v Speaker 7>around the same time, all three of them in the

516
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.200
<v Speaker 7>same exact way, like how and.

517
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>They're still finding people like DNA evidence and shit, they're

518
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.000
<v Speaker 1>still trying it to like cold cases to these to

519
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the s guy.

520
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:35.119
<v Speaker 7>So yes, yes, So he actually joined the United States

521
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:39.319
<v Speaker 7>Air Force and he was stationed at Edward's Air Force Base,

522
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.279
<v Speaker 7>which is also the same Air Force base where a

523
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:45.440
<v Speaker 7>lot of the Laurel Canyon cast of characters came out

524
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:51.759
<v Speaker 7>of Edwards Air Force Base. Also. Uh so, he was

525
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 7>supposed to be a supervisor of teaching people how to

526
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.960
<v Speaker 7>paint test planes. That's what he was supposed to. That

527
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:04.759
<v Speaker 7>was his official job title is supervising the painting of

528
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:09.000
<v Speaker 7>test planes. And he became an airman first class. But

529
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 7>he they found out that he was gay and they

530
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:16.160
<v Speaker 7>released him on medical grounds quote unquote, which you know,

531
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:18.359
<v Speaker 7>on surface level you'd say, oh, well, that might have

532
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.880
<v Speaker 7>been common back in the sixties. To get to you know,

533
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.359
<v Speaker 7>released on medical grounds for being gay. But in my opinion,

534
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.200
<v Speaker 7>they don't let somebody like this just go. He's too

535
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 7>valuable obviously, so maybe the cover is we let him

536
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 7>go on the medical grounds, but he just got repurposed

537
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 7>in some you know, unclassified you know, program to kill

538
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:47.680
<v Speaker 7>type academy thing because he had a genius IQ. And

539
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.319
<v Speaker 7>after they dismissed him from the Air Force, he found

540
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 7>employment for the aerospace program. So I mean a lot

541
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 7>of the victims that they say he killed were all

542
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 7>around his business trips, traveling around for the aerospace program.

543
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 9>So.

544
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 7>You know what I mean, It's like he didn't travel

545
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:18.519
<v Speaker 7>too far outside of the uh sus a's fuck category

546
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 7>as far as employment goes. When he started killing all

547
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 7>these guys, it's like, oh, you were in the Air Force,

548
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:27.359
<v Speaker 7>now you're working for the aerospace program, and every time

549
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 7>you have a business trip, like six dudes get murdered

550
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 7>in the area, Like is that a coincidence? And then

551
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.839
<v Speaker 7>they find like pictures in DNA evidence later that would

552
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 7>link him to the crimes.

553
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. I just want I want to say real quickly.

554
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 2>I know it's kind of a between aerospace and NASA.

555
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a difference there, but I do find

556
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 2>it interesting. Remember how I mentioned it to you, and

557
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>it's something that I probably would like us to cover.

558
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>At some point I mentioned it to some of us

559
00:32:55.160 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 2>here at covering it where I had started noticing Lisa's

560
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.960
<v Speaker 2>even notice that other people have noticed it that, Like,

561
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 2>why is there always somebody in NASA popping up with

562
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.119
<v Speaker 2>all these new fucking true crimes. There's always a link

563
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.759
<v Speaker 2>to somebody's in fucking NASA. What's up with that?

564
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:12.079
<v Speaker 1>You know?

565
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.559
<v Speaker 2>And when I and you know, and again I always say,

566
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 2>I think NASA is basically like a Nazi magical operation.

567
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So like, if I think that they're handling you shit

568
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Speaker 2>and portraying it in a different way and people are

569
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.480
<v Speaker 2>believing it, why would they not do that with other

570
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>shit They're they're obviously mass to manipulators with the film

571
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 2>and shit, you know, they make you believe whatever the

572
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:30.039
<v Speaker 2>fuck they throw on the screen.

573
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:33.640
<v Speaker 7>And it's like I said before, it has to be

574
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 7>integrated with a magical aspect. It can't just be like, oh,

575
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.880
<v Speaker 7>the government program, you know, case clothes, that's it. There's

576
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.920
<v Speaker 7>always like this weird magical aspect to it too. Where

577
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 7>it's like you said, they they fake all this moon

578
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.480
<v Speaker 7>landing stuff, they fake all this based stuff. They lie

579
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.079
<v Speaker 7>to us constantly, right, and then it's there's just this

580
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.279
<v Speaker 7>aspect of like serial killers and weirdos working for them

581
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.559
<v Speaker 7>and shit like that, like all not tend to see here.

582
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.519
<v Speaker 7>I guess, Yeah, it's.

583
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Just something I noticed, you know, and I just find

584
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.279
<v Speaker 2>it weird.

585
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>All right?

586
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Sorry? Interrupted?

587
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.239
<v Speaker 7>Oh I thought Lisa, Lisa was about I.

588
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 6>Was going to interrupt. You know, what's interesting, Julie you

589
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 6>were talking about because I was going to ask you

590
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 6>what year did all this kind of start to you know,

591
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.280
<v Speaker 6>transpire or whatever. But what's interesting, I think you said

592
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 6>somewhere around the sixties. And you know, we've covered at

593
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 6>length the sixties on on this podcast. What's interesting is

594
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 6>that you do have a lot of presence of certain

595
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.679
<v Speaker 6>ops or certain operations from the government occurring in bath

596
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 6>houses during the sixties, especially in California, especially in these

597
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 6>big cities, especially in these cities where a lot of

598
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:51.199
<v Speaker 6>tech is happening. Tech back then was aeronautics or space

599
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 6>programs or government programs and stuff like that. So it's

600
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 6>interesting that they would have this guy who was sexually

601
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 6>active in the community that he he would you know,

602
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:05.320
<v Speaker 6>be potentially has anyone looked at the victimology of like

603
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:13.119
<v Speaker 6>if his victims were involved in some sort of programs.

604
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 7>There were mostly marines.

605
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:18.880
<v Speaker 6>That's right, you said that. Sorry, I apologize.

606
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 7>I think actually Bennett had mentioned it. He killed a

607
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.320
<v Speaker 7>fucked on the Marines and other military men. Actually, so

608
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.800
<v Speaker 7>it's it was it's kind of like I was saying before,

609
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 7>they find people. It's like they mixed business with pleasure.

610
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 7>This guy's gay, he loves murdering assholes, and they got

611
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 7>a lot of marines they gotta get rid of.

612
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think what it was is he like really

613
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>tried to tried to find well, they were always drunk

614
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 1>or or on drugs usually.

615
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:50.840
<v Speaker 7>Or he or he drugged them.

616
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:55.920
<v Speaker 1>And that's yeah, even the way they caught him.

617
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.840
<v Speaker 7>Doude, don't get started on that. Yeah, I was gonna

618
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.599
<v Speaker 7>I got a whole fucking thing on how they got it,

619
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 7>because damn.

620
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:07.599
<v Speaker 1>It was a marine.

621
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 9>Lisa.

622
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.159
<v Speaker 7>That was great. That was great a question because I

623
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:16.119
<v Speaker 7>did connect that they were mostly like military or marines

624
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:17.599
<v Speaker 7>or something like that, and like the.

625
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Rage issue against like macho guys or macho guys kind

626
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of and that was like his em was like, this

627
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 1>is who I fucking hate because they've ruined my life

628
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and I am going to take control and

629
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 1>show the power over these bastards.

630
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 7>I mean, it definitely could have been. And I will

631
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 7>entertain that only if you'll entertain the possibility that these

632
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.440
<v Speaker 7>guys were like people that they wanted to get rid of.

633
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was thinking that I was going to bring

634
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:49.039
<v Speaker 2>that up.

635
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe these are That is a good point though, too

636
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 1>an assassination.

637
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.719
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you know what I mean, it's like we need

638
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.679
<v Speaker 7>to get rid of private you know smith Craft over there.

639
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.239
<v Speaker 9>Here's a list of these guys.

640
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got some you canuck.

641
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 10>Right, But doesn't make you wonder what sort of programs

642
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 10>that they were involved in.

643
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 7>That's also I don't know something something because it's like

644
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 7>I said, his first victim got returned back to him,

645
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.199
<v Speaker 7>no charges wherever filed. You know, the kid was like thirteen,

646
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.719
<v Speaker 7>He got raped, he got drugs, he got beaten, nobody cared,

647
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.400
<v Speaker 7>So obviously there's something else going on here. But what

648
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.880
<v Speaker 7>I find interesting, and you guys need to, you know,

649
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:43.000
<v Speaker 7>throw your two cents in it is the type of

650
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 7>things that he did to his victims go beyond just

651
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 7>killing a person. It's it's uh, you know, And if

652
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.119
<v Speaker 7>anybody in the livestream whatever, if you're sensitive or you know,

653
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.880
<v Speaker 7>you might just want to puss out now because I'm

654
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:04.920
<v Speaker 7>gonna just say all the details. Okay. He wouldn't just

655
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 7>like sodomize a guy. He would sodomize a guy, but

656
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.599
<v Speaker 7>then he would like cut their dick and their ball

657
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 7>bag off while they were still alive. He would make

658
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 7>sure that they were still alive for all of it.

659
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:21.639
<v Speaker 7>Sometimes he would take their dick and ball bag and

660
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 7>then shove it up their ass. Sometimes he would take

661
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.719
<v Speaker 7>his car lighter out of his car and burn their

662
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 7>nipples off and burn their eyeballs out. He would shove dirt.

663
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 9>I was just gonna ask, what was he sodomizing them

664
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:41.480
<v Speaker 9>with like his penis?

665
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.119
<v Speaker 7>He did, Yeah, I mean he did rape them. Sometimes

666
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 7>it was just more about the kill because they found

667
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.360
<v Speaker 7>like ballpoint pins inserted into their penises. They found a

668
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.199
<v Speaker 7>bunch of them decapitated. They found a bunch of victims

669
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.960
<v Speaker 7>that were just in pieces and parts. And it's like

670
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:05.039
<v Speaker 7>this goes beyond just like killing a guy. To rip

671
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 7>somebody's dicking ball bag off, put it in their ass

672
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 7>and then like burn their eyeballs out with the car

673
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 7>cigarette lighter. This goes beyond, this goes beyond just killing someone.

674
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 9>What sounds like some of the some of the torture

675
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 9>methods that they use back in like antiquity or ancient times.

676
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:30.440
<v Speaker 9>So maybe it is some ancient like some dark spirit

677
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 9>that is not only taking them over, but being like

678
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 9>invoked to take them, like he's being whoever it is,

679
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 9>is just being groomed to be a vessel for a

680
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.239
<v Speaker 9>particular entity.

681
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.480
<v Speaker 7>Well, Jules, have you ever heard this saying like what

682
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:52.199
<v Speaker 7>would possess someone to do that? I don't know, why

683
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:56.840
<v Speaker 7>why do we use that terminology? What would possess someone

684
00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:58.840
<v Speaker 7>to do something like that? I don't know, a demon

685
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 7>maybe like or something they've tapped into something. Obviously that

686
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:06.239
<v Speaker 7>there's a dark passenger driving like they say in Dexter,

687
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 7>because you know that the average person is not thinking

688
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:11.920
<v Speaker 7>to do this.

689
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:17.480
<v Speaker 9>And some people might say that they have kind of trained.

690
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 3>These people to switch on, like to switch on their

691
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 3>shadows self, to switch on their dweller right to where

692
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:30.800
<v Speaker 3>they can immediately just you know, change consciousnesses.

693
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 9>But it's it's them. It's just their deep, deep, dark subconscious, right.

694
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.639
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I think that's part of why they have

695
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 7>to break you down in the programming, is so they

696
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 7>can something else, something else has to get inserted in there,

697
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.039
<v Speaker 7>you know, something else has to take over.

698
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.239
<v Speaker 6>Where was he doing most of.

699
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.639
<v Speaker 7>His work, So the reason they called him the Freeway

700
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:04.159
<v Speaker 7>is because they never knew where he was doing this.

701
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 7>But he always dumped his body on the side of

702
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:11.480
<v Speaker 7>the freeway, so they didn't know if he was killing

703
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.320
<v Speaker 7>him in his car, if he was taking him back

704
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.480
<v Speaker 7>to his apartment and killing him and then dumping them.

705
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.519
<v Speaker 7>But all the victims were found either in Portland when

706
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 7>he was on a business trip, Seattle when he was

707
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 7>on a business trip, or southern California, all by the

708
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Speaker 7>freeway and all that. They started to put things together

709
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:37.519
<v Speaker 7>because he finally found his signature, which was after he

710
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:42.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, raped them, murdered them, dismembered them, whatever, he

711
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.079
<v Speaker 7>would take one of the victim's socks, ball it up

712
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.159
<v Speaker 7>and put it in their bee hole, and that was

713
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.719
<v Speaker 7>his signature. Every time they found a body with a

714
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:58.360
<v Speaker 7>bald up sock in their bee hole, they started, they started,

715
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 7>you know, realizing that these these victims could be connected.

716
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.800
<v Speaker 7>And the only thing that they could think of of

717
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 7>a reason why he would be doing this is they said, well,

718
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 7>the killer must have military background, because in the military

719
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 7>they they train you to shove socks up dead bodies

720
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:30.440
<v Speaker 7>bee holes to prevent them from purging until you can

721
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.840
<v Speaker 7>get to the body or whatever. So what they surmised

722
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 7>is that he was taking them, killing them somewhere else,

723
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 7>putting the sock in the bee hole to prevent purging

724
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 7>until he could dump the body.

725
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Well, that comes to mind is that it's almost

726
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:50.800
<v Speaker 6>like was he doing this for someone else? And that

727
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:55.119
<v Speaker 6>was the Worthies experiments to see the level of pain

728
00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.639
<v Speaker 6>and torture, and worth these methods of potential in interrogation

729
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 6>to be used later in other operations in that yes

730
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.480
<v Speaker 6>it looks like a serial killing. Yes, it looks like

731
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 6>somebody is disturbed or was Randy contracted by the government

732
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:15.840
<v Speaker 6>to inflict these types of torture to measure the level

733
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:18.679
<v Speaker 6>of whatever the pravity.

734
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:21.639
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and then and then now.

735
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 6>It's a data point and you can feed it back

736
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:28.000
<v Speaker 6>to the to whomever contracted you as a way of saying, yeah,

737
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.519
<v Speaker 6>they break at this point, or if you do this,

738
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 6>they'll they'll do this or what have you. And then

739
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 6>the like you said, the signature, Randy be like, well

740
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:38.079
<v Speaker 6>that was my calling card. I did that one. The

741
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:39.119
<v Speaker 6>other guy did the other one.

742
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 7>I did this one, right.

743
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean it kind of goes hand in what she's saying,

744
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of goes hand in hand with why they call

745
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:51.519
<v Speaker 1>them the scorecard killer m Yeah, because he's checking boxes

746
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>in a cryptic yeah, very cryptic.

747
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:55.039
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

748
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.119
<v Speaker 1>And that's how he was able to delineate who who

749
00:43:58.159 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 1>is who.

750
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 7>Too, right, because they found in his car when they

751
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 7>busted him the scorecard with all the victims' names and

752
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.719
<v Speaker 7>like a little description And it's kind of like what

753
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:13.079
<v Speaker 7>you were saying, Li says, is he taking him somewhere

754
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.039
<v Speaker 7>else and doing this for God only knows what reason.

755
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:19.760
<v Speaker 7>And then he has to use this beehole sock because

756
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 7>he's got to drive him then somewhere and dump the body.

757
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 7>But the problem is, it's like he's supposed to be

758
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:33.280
<v Speaker 7>in charge of supervising people painting test airplanes. At what

759
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 7>point did shoven us sock in somebody's bee hole come

760
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.920
<v Speaker 7>up in the painting of the test planes training? Like,

761
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 7>I don't you know, I'm not a rocket scientist here,

762
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.800
<v Speaker 7>but I would say, if you're in charge of painting

763
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 7>test planes, a sock in somebody's dead bee hole is

764
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.159
<v Speaker 7>not going to come up. Another thing that I don't

765
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 7>understand why they said this is they said the well,

766
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.800
<v Speaker 7>the killer obviously has military background, because not only is

767
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 7>there a sock in the victim's b hole, but he

768
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.800
<v Speaker 7>would take tissue paper and he would shove it in

769
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 7>the nostrils and down the throat, which is another thing

770
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 7>I guess they do in the military because fluids come

771
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:18.039
<v Speaker 7>out and whatever after somebody dies. And it's like, again,

772
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:24.079
<v Speaker 7>when did the tissue paper nostral technique come up in

773
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.519
<v Speaker 7>the painting of the test planes? Can somebody explain that

774
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:34.480
<v Speaker 7>to me, Like, obviously he has further training that we

775
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.039
<v Speaker 7>don't fucking know about. Obviously.

776
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:39.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean I spent ten years in the military and

777
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I never was trained to that shit, But.

778
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:42.880
<v Speaker 7>Get trained on.

779
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:47.679
<v Speaker 10>I'm just saying, come on.

780
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day, it could have been

781
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.280
<v Speaker 1>some Vietnam stuff. I mean that that's when this was happening.

782
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.559
<v Speaker 1>So it's like maybe that was dream back then, but

783
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard.

784
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.400
<v Speaker 7>I know you're not trying, it's just about that.

785
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, no, I'm not trying to do that.

786
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, a.

787
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 9>Sock in my buttole when it's too when it's too

788
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:15.760
<v Speaker 9>hot outside.

789
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 7>Be sure.

790
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:23.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but it isn't some of these paints on any

791
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:25.920
<v Speaker 6>of the military planes because you're finally classified?

792
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well not yeah, I mean even back then. Yeah,

793
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess you had a plant you had especially now,

794
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 1>but not so much back then, but maybe maybe especially

795
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 1>especially like in that area you had the s R

796
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:51.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy one Blackbird, and the the the other one, the

797
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:57.760
<v Speaker 1>other spy plane, the big it's like something fifty yeah whatever,

798
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:02.119
<v Speaker 1>either way, they had radar reflecting paint, yes.

799
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:07.239
<v Speaker 6>Yes, and most of that stuff was patented and highly classified. Yeah,

800
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 6>and not anybody could handle that type of paint because

801
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:12.960
<v Speaker 6>they would have to pass a clearance in order to

802
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 6>handle that type of paint point because of extreme class

803
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 6>Like we were the only country that had the patent

804
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.440
<v Speaker 6>for a while on some of the reflective paint to

805
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:26.079
<v Speaker 6>evade radar detection, didn't.

806
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.320
<v Speaker 1>We Yeah, for sure, what we still do. I mean

807
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.159
<v Speaker 1>they're like they don't even know, Like the F twenty two,

808
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what it's coded with zero nobody

809
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and we won't sell it to anybody either, so nobody's and.

810
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.719
<v Speaker 6>It's weightless because every single paint is has has a

811
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:42.280
<v Speaker 6>certain weight.

812
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's the shit we know about that. The shit

813
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:49.360
<v Speaker 1>we don't know about who even fucking knows. Frankly, I

814
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.840
<v Speaker 1>mean that, And people have to understand the f twenty

815
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:57.360
<v Speaker 1>two is it's almost a thirty year old plaint in

816
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:00.559
<v Speaker 1>the grand scheme of things, and it's far and beyond

817
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>anything anyone else has. So probably I mean, if he

818
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.039
<v Speaker 1>is painting, I guess.

819
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:12.199
<v Speaker 7>Tell me, tell me when the fucking b whole sock

820
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 7>comes in.

821
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've never I've never heard that in my life.

822
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you. I'm telling you that God's down the streets.

823
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Never heard that ship in my life.

824
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:22.159
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

825
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:23.679
<v Speaker 9>I'm going to have to do a deep dive and

826
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:25.559
<v Speaker 9>to butt whole socks.

827
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm actually writing it down right now. I've never

828
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:32.679
<v Speaker 1>heard of that.

829
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:33.360
<v Speaker 9>Well.

830
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:35.920
<v Speaker 8>I just find it interesting too that all of this

831
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.320
<v Speaker 8>is happening in the sixties, right around the time that

832
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 8>m k Ult is happening and Charles Manson is running around.

833
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 10>Getting out of jail working with the CIA. It's just

834
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:46.840
<v Speaker 10>interesting timing.

835
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 8>And and she ha the nail on the head with

836
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.440
<v Speaker 8>Laurel Canyon. I wrote that down because it was like,

837
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.559
<v Speaker 8>I wonder if there's some sort of a connection there.

838
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I was. I was wondering, and

839
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask, you believe because I know

840
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 2>this is something that being you have, you know, kind

841
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:05.360
<v Speaker 2>of researched but never covered. Do you think it's quite

842
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:09.400
<v Speaker 2>possible that they had to voice the skull stuff? Then yes,

843
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.679
<v Speaker 2>because I do think that's actually being used now to make.

844
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:17.199
<v Speaker 6>Remember remember when we covered the whole Esslon thing and

845
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.559
<v Speaker 6>we started to look at some of these scientists from UCLA, Harvard,

846
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 6>Stanford and all that this was popping off late fifties,

847
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 6>early sixties, and this was the psychological angle. This is

848
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.159
<v Speaker 6>the angle that we just know about. We didn't even

849
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:41.880
<v Speaker 6>touch upon any of the physiological anatomical We were just

850
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:46.280
<v Speaker 6>looking mainly at the psychological angle of some of these tests.

851
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.000
<v Speaker 6>And so yes, it was right around the same time

852
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 6>all of it.

853
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Sixties, late sixties seventies were wild, especially with psychological stuff.

854
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>The shit that they were doing, the folks, shit that

855
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.760
<v Speaker 1>they were doing, the listeners. It was unbelievable.

856
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:09.519
<v Speaker 8>I mean, like just heinous, and I think to your point, Lisa,

857
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 8>they couldn't be testing the capabilities of what's possible. Yes,

858
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 8>you know, as far as mind control goes and taking

859
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:22.519
<v Speaker 8>people to their breaking points and what they can invoke exactly.

860
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:24.320
<v Speaker 6>And I don't mean to keep going on this, but

861
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 6>remember we just brought the boys from Germany over and

862
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.840
<v Speaker 6>they were doing all kinds of tests on twins on pain.

863
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.519
<v Speaker 6>Most of what we know about pain response comes from

864
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:38.519
<v Speaker 6>these scientists. Most of the stuff that we know about

865
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:42.679
<v Speaker 6>manipulating viruses, bacteria and all kinds of infectious agents comes

866
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.559
<v Speaker 6>from these scientists. So who's to say that we're not

867
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:48.760
<v Speaker 6>employing the B Team or the A team of program

868
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.000
<v Speaker 6>to kill to see what's happened, you know, what can

869
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 6>happen next week.

870
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:57.840
<v Speaker 7>The A Team is this group that we're talking about

871
00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 7>right here that came out of the sixties, because it was,

872
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.639
<v Speaker 7>like Brooke was saying, Randy Kraft was at Edward's Air

873
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:07.719
<v Speaker 7>Force Base at the same time, like Frank Zappa's dad,

874
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.199
<v Speaker 7>and like all these these assholes parents were there. I mean,

875
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 7>it's it's it's too much to be a coincident. Then,

876
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:18.760
<v Speaker 7>Charles Manson, like you were saying, I think the sixties,

877
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.840
<v Speaker 7>especially like with with Randy Kraft, and a couple others

878
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.920
<v Speaker 7>that I'm going to tie into at the end that

879
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.599
<v Speaker 7>they were part of the A team, I would say,

880
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 7>you know, and then they they manufactured based on their

881
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.400
<v Speaker 7>results with the first round, future generations of serial killers.

882
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:41.719
<v Speaker 7>So I would say that Jeffrey Dahmer is probably like

883
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:44.400
<v Speaker 7>B team because he was like in the eighties or

884
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:48.000
<v Speaker 7>nineties something like that. So he's later on, they've perfected

885
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.639
<v Speaker 7>it a little bit more. Now he's like got vats

886
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 7>of acid in his apartment and cooking dudes dicks off

887
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.920
<v Speaker 7>and like cannibalizing him and feeding them to his neighbors

888
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:03.280
<v Speaker 7>and shit like it just becomes or depraved as as

889
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 7>time goes on. It's like they got to up the

890
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:11.679
<v Speaker 7>echelon to the next you know, worst thing they can

891
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:21.199
<v Speaker 7>terrify people with, Jules, did you have something you wanted

892
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:22.920
<v Speaker 7>to do? I thought I saw a comment on the

893
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.400
<v Speaker 7>side there. Did you have something you wanted to touch on?

894
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:27.440
<v Speaker 1>No?

895
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.760
<v Speaker 9>No, no, no, I was just I was apologizing, Nick.

896
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:33.320
<v Speaker 9>I was laughing for a minute. My my audience has

897
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:38.639
<v Speaker 9>been making sexual remarks at me, And uh, do.

898
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:40.719
<v Speaker 7>They want to put socks in your beetle?

899
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

900
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:43.800
<v Speaker 9>They want me to put stickers on my on on

901
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:48.960
<v Speaker 9>my nipples, and uh, because I've done it before. So

902
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:52.199
<v Speaker 9>it's not happening you guys.

903
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.360
<v Speaker 7>As long as you don't put a sock in your

904
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:54.840
<v Speaker 7>bee hole.

905
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:57.559
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, we're not doing that either. I think they. I

906
00:52:57.559 --> 00:52:59.400
<v Speaker 9>think they're talking about doing that to each other.

907
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:00.559
<v Speaker 7>I don't like.

908
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.840
<v Speaker 9>I said, I can't control what these guys say. They're insane.

909
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:10.280
<v Speaker 9>Oh and then here's Joey bootbags here. Now, okay, well.

910
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 7>Cool, So I did want to I wanted to just

911
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:18.719
<v Speaker 7>give one other example of a time where they found

912
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:23.320
<v Speaker 7>a victim and they basically let him totally off the

913
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 7>hook for it. They he abducted two cousins, two male cousins.

914
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.639
<v Speaker 7>He let one of them go and the other one

915
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 7>he kept overnight. And the next morning they found this

916
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:42.599
<v Speaker 7>guy's decapitated head in a jetty somewhere nearby where he

917
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:46.760
<v Speaker 7>picked these two guys up. And the cousin said, I

918
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:50.079
<v Speaker 7>can identify the car, I can identify the guy. I

919
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.280
<v Speaker 7>can tell you all about it. He drugged us, he

920
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.840
<v Speaker 7>was weird. He threw me out of the car. He

921
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.199
<v Speaker 7>took my cousin. I don't know what happened to him.

922
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.880
<v Speaker 7>The police brought him in for questioning he had picking

923
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 7>both of them up. He said, yeah, I was with

924
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.679
<v Speaker 7>him last night, but I dropped him off at home

925
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:07.639
<v Speaker 7>and I don't know what happened to him after that.

926
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 7>And the police were like, well, that's funny because we

927
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:14.039
<v Speaker 7>just found his fucking decapitated head right nearby where you

928
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.800
<v Speaker 7>picked the guy up. And he's like, yeah, well it

929
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:22.159
<v Speaker 7>wasn't me. No further questions, no further investigating, nothing, They

930
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:26.000
<v Speaker 7>just let him walk right out of the police station. Literally.

931
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 7>The guy's cousin said, this is a guy who picked

932
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:30.719
<v Speaker 7>us up, He drugged us, he tossed me out of

933
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:33.679
<v Speaker 7>a car, he took my cousin. Now my cousin's decapitated

934
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.440
<v Speaker 7>and he has a sock in his bee hole and

935
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:41.639
<v Speaker 7>nothing they did, they do nothing like It's it's crazy

936
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:45.400
<v Speaker 7>to me how many times this guy looked police officers

937
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 7>in the face and just was able to walk right

938
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:53.360
<v Speaker 7>back out of the police station, no consequences. And he

939
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.599
<v Speaker 7>went on to murder another like fifty sixty guys after that.

940
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:01.880
<v Speaker 7>If they would have busted him on that murder, it

941
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.119
<v Speaker 7>could it could have saved sixty men's lives.

942
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 10>Well, that's kind of like Epstein.

943
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 8>Okay, when he got arrested down in Florida and he

944
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:14.519
<v Speaker 8>basically got that sweetheart deal where he was running the

945
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 8>jail down there for a little while.

946
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:18.960
<v Speaker 10>When pressed about it, the Attorney.

947
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:20.719
<v Speaker 8>General of Florida at the time just said it was

948
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.000
<v Speaker 8>above his pay, great, and that there was nothing that

949
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.360
<v Speaker 8>he could do. Because you're right, if he would have,

950
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:27.679
<v Speaker 8>like take him, for example, would have been busted then

951
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.480
<v Speaker 8>and gone to jail for the trafficking charges and the

952
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:35.960
<v Speaker 8>molestation charges, we may not have that giant blackering, you know,

953
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:38.119
<v Speaker 8>black girl ring that we had today. So if he

954
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:41.840
<v Speaker 8>would have gotten the appropriate sentencing then, But I think

955
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:45.280
<v Speaker 8>that there are some high level people allowing these people

956
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:46.480
<v Speaker 8>to walk free.

957
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:52.800
<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, I mean, And to me, it's like, how do

958
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:57.559
<v Speaker 7>you justify that the cousin who saw this man was

959
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.760
<v Speaker 7>in the car with him, said that he rugged us

960
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:03.239
<v Speaker 7>and was and pushed me out of the car while

961
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.800
<v Speaker 7>it was going down the highway, And now my cousin's

962
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:09.159
<v Speaker 7>heads decapitated off and he's got to suck in his asshole,

963
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:13.400
<v Speaker 7>Like how the fuck do you justify and just letting

964
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:17.920
<v Speaker 7>him walk right out, like no investigating the car even

965
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:20.360
<v Speaker 7>to see if they can find the drugs or the like,

966
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:24.320
<v Speaker 7>nothing you're gonna do nothing Like that's crazy to me.

967
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.360
<v Speaker 9>I mean, yeah, do you think it's just the cops

968
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.320
<v Speaker 9>being lazy or do you think that they were told

969
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:32.559
<v Speaker 9>to maybe stand down?

970
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.480
<v Speaker 7>I think that just like in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer,

971
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.199
<v Speaker 7>when they they said, hey, we're gonna, you know, respond

972
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:45.400
<v Speaker 7>to this, you know whatever. It was that some some

973
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.880
<v Speaker 7>ladies called the police and they said, there's a kid

974
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:51.679
<v Speaker 7>out in the street. He's got blood running down his asshole.

975
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 7>You know, he's got all this stuff wrong with him.

976
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:58.639
<v Speaker 7>The police show up, they'd say, hey, we're responding to this,

977
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:01.400
<v Speaker 7>you know, complaint whatever about this boy being in the

978
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:04.960
<v Speaker 7>street with blood running out of his asshole. And then

979
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:08.800
<v Speaker 7>all of a sudden, as soon as they get to

980
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.760
<v Speaker 7>the scene, Jeffrey Dahmer's there, and they're like, oh, well,

981
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:15.159
<v Speaker 7>this is just some gay guy stuff that we don't

982
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:17.159
<v Speaker 7>want any part of. Let's just take him back up

983
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.679
<v Speaker 7>to the apartment. They get into the apartment, he's got

984
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:25.000
<v Speaker 7>two dead people in his bedroom that have been flayed

985
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 7>open with all their freaking lungs and everything out. And

986
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 7>the police officers, these are supposed to be highly trained

987
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:36.199
<v Speaker 7>police officers, Right, you're gonna tell me they don't smell

988
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.360
<v Speaker 7>that with the second he opens his apartment door. What

989
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:41.440
<v Speaker 7>did they open the door and go, oh, this is

990
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 7>what fucking gay sex smells like. Just fucking leave him

991
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:49.840
<v Speaker 7>here and let's go like, are you serious. There's two

992
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.920
<v Speaker 7>dead bodies in the next room, and they let this

993
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:58.880
<v Speaker 7>kid sit in there. He drilled a hole in his

994
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:08.360
<v Speaker 7>brain and put They were like that when they walk

995
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.280
<v Speaker 7>in the apartment, they were like, this is what dank

996
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.360
<v Speaker 7>asshole smells like. Let's just drop this kid off and

997
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:16.760
<v Speaker 7>go like, are you serious? As a trained police officer,

998
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.440
<v Speaker 7>you didn't suspect anything, you didn't smell anything, you didn't

999
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.320
<v Speaker 7>see anything, and you just let this kid who has

1000
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.760
<v Speaker 7>blood running out of his asshole down his legs, all

1001
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 7>looped out with the clothes on, wandering around in the street.

1002
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:34.480
<v Speaker 7>You took him back to the apartment, and you left

1003
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:39.960
<v Speaker 7>it there with Jeffrey fucking Dahmerer. It's too bizarre. So,

1004
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:45.039
<v Speaker 7>in my opinion, I think that they are told to

1005
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.400
<v Speaker 7>leave it, drop it, get rid of it, cover it

1006
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:50.480
<v Speaker 7>up right, act like you didn't see it.

1007
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Move on.

1008
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:57.199
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, maybe not them ourselves, but they're the cops. Themselves

1009
00:58:57.239 --> 00:58:58.920
<v Speaker 6>are told to leave it.

1010
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:00.840
<v Speaker 9>Chief.

1011
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:03.519
<v Speaker 6>Yes.

1012
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:06.679
<v Speaker 7>So in this particular instance with the guy who had

1013
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:11.119
<v Speaker 7>his head decapitated, the order to release Randy Craft came

1014
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:18.960
<v Speaker 7>from the LA District Attorney's office specifically. So does that

1015
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:24.519
<v Speaker 7>say anything for you? The orders came down straight from

1016
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:28.320
<v Speaker 7>the LA District Attorney's office to let Randy Craft go.

1017
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:29.679
<v Speaker 10>That's what I mean.

1018
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:33.400
<v Speaker 8>There's just some high level players in these cases.

1019
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:39.440
<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, So he basically goes on ripping and running

1020
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:44.800
<v Speaker 7>through dude's buttholes for like ten to twelve years. Nobody

1021
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:51.480
<v Speaker 7>suspects him, nobody. He never gets caught, nothing until let's

1022
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:54.280
<v Speaker 7>see here, I have it in my notes when he

1023
00:59:54.320 --> 01:00:01.119
<v Speaker 7>gets caught. I believe it was in the eighth eighties, Bennett,

1024
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.199
<v Speaker 7>do you remember it was the eighties or it was,

1025
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.599
<v Speaker 7>oh for the when he gets busted.

1026
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was in here. I can give you the

1027
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:18.960
<v Speaker 1>exact day. That's so Many fourteenth, nineteen eighty three.

1028
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:23.719
<v Speaker 7>Yes, okay, So May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three. It says

1029
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:29.760
<v Speaker 7>at one ten am, he's driving all erratically all over

1030
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:34.360
<v Speaker 7>the place down the highway. He gets stopped by police

1031
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.960
<v Speaker 7>officer and they're like, hey, you need to get out

1032
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:41.159
<v Speaker 7>of the vehicle. You're driving like shit, and they noticed

1033
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.880
<v Speaker 7>that he's drunk. They make him do like a field

1034
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:47.760
<v Speaker 7>sovariety test, which he fails because he's fucked up. And

1035
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 7>you know, he's just standing there waiting for the other

1036
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:56.000
<v Speaker 7>police officer to inspect the vehicle because one police officer

1037
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.519
<v Speaker 7>is giving him the field sobriety test, the other police

1038
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.920
<v Speaker 7>officer is checking out the car. They go over to

1039
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:04.400
<v Speaker 7>the passenger side of the car and they realize that

1040
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:08.920
<v Speaker 7>there's another man in the vehicle, and you know, he's

1041
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.880
<v Speaker 7>like trying to get the man to respond, poking him,

1042
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.920
<v Speaker 7>talking to him whatever. He's not responding. He removes the

1043
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:21.480
<v Speaker 7>jacket from the man's lap to uncover that Randy actually

1044
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:25.320
<v Speaker 7>wasn't driving erratically because he was drunk. He was driving

1045
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:28.159
<v Speaker 7>erratically because he was in the middle of sawing this

1046
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.239
<v Speaker 7>guy's pecker off. And this guy is dead as fuck,

1047
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.960
<v Speaker 7>and you know, he's had all the things happened to him,

1048
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.480
<v Speaker 7>all the Randy Craft special has happened to this guy,

1049
01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:48.199
<v Speaker 7>and they still do not arrest him for murder. They

1050
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:53.360
<v Speaker 7>arrest him for driving under the influence, even though he

1051
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:56.400
<v Speaker 7>has a whole dead guy in his passenger seat with

1052
01:01:56.559 --> 01:02:03.360
<v Speaker 7>his pecker halfway sod off. Still, that's not arrested for murder.

1053
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:09.239
<v Speaker 7>He gets arrested for driving under the influence after having

1054
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:12.960
<v Speaker 7>a halfway cut off. Pecker guy in the passenger seat

1055
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:20.519
<v Speaker 7>of his car, tell me that makes sense. It was

1056
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:24.280
<v Speaker 7>only after he was arrested for driving under the influence

1057
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.039
<v Speaker 7>when they finished the investigation in his car where they

1058
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:31.639
<v Speaker 7>found the scorecard book with the names of victims, and

1059
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 7>they found several photographs that he had taken, much like

1060
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:42.519
<v Speaker 7>Jeffrey Dahmer, of men posed in different sexual positions who

1061
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:46.000
<v Speaker 7>were deceased, and they put all the puzzle pieces together.

1062
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.960
<v Speaker 7>In my opinion, this is a case of he cooked

1063
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:52.800
<v Speaker 7>his own goose. There was too much that was visible

1064
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.760
<v Speaker 7>for them to try to save or salvage this guy.

1065
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:00.320
<v Speaker 7>I think like at that point he was busted did

1066
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:02.679
<v Speaker 7>and they were gonna, you know, he was gonna have

1067
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:07.400
<v Speaker 7>to pay the piper. But he was able to get

1068
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:11.159
<v Speaker 7>away with this forever forever long, you know. And uh,

1069
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.480
<v Speaker 7>it's like, how do you how do you respond to that?

1070
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:17.760
<v Speaker 7>It's like the police officer stops you and it's like

1071
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:21.960
<v Speaker 7>you've been drinking a night. No, officer, I'm actually just

1072
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.719
<v Speaker 7>trying to saw this guy's pecker off. How about you, Like.

1073
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:25.159
<v Speaker 1>What do you?

1074
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:28.119
<v Speaker 7>How do you at that point, You're fucked.

1075
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:28.320
<v Speaker 9>You're done.

1076
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.599
<v Speaker 7>You you you have a dead body in the car.

1077
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:32.480
<v Speaker 7>You can't you know, you can't get out of it.

1078
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:38.719
<v Speaker 7>So he did. He did get the death penalty, but

1079
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:43.039
<v Speaker 7>they were only able to get him on Like, Bennett,

1080
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.320
<v Speaker 7>do you remember like teen sixteen? Okay, I was gonna

1081
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:49.519
<v Speaker 7>say a fraction of the actual number they have.

1082
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.079
<v Speaker 1>I think they have him. Uh, I think it's sixty seven,

1083
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:58.559
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven, even though we're sixty one in his book,

1084
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:02.239
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know, you know, maybe started making his

1085
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:03.519
<v Speaker 1>book later or something.

1086
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:08.880
<v Speaker 7>Well, and also because there were those three guys doing

1087
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.119
<v Speaker 7>crimes all around the same time that were identical to Randy,

1088
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.920
<v Speaker 7>It's like, was it did Randy kill sixty seven of them?

1089
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.880
<v Speaker 7>Maybe just sixty one and the other were from the

1090
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:21.519
<v Speaker 7>other guy or It's like they had a hard time

1091
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:24.599
<v Speaker 7>kind of pinning this shit on him because there was

1092
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:27.639
<v Speaker 7>so much confusion around who was actually doing this shit.

1093
01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:31.719
<v Speaker 1>And he still has never admitted to anything. He still

1094
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to the state swears that he's innocent.

1095
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.320
<v Speaker 7>I actually want to talk about the two other serial

1096
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:39.800
<v Speaker 7>killers who were ripping and running through dude's bat holes

1097
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:44.280
<v Speaker 7>around the same time. But before we do that, Nick,

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01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.840
<v Speaker 7>could you pull up a picture of this guy so

1099
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:50.559
<v Speaker 7>the listeners can see. Yeah, I just I just want

1100
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:53.480
<v Speaker 7>everybody to look into the eyes of the government cheese

1101
01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:58.119
<v Speaker 7>killer before we move on, because I'm telling you this,

1102
01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:02.920
<v Speaker 7>whatever you even met in your head, he looks just

1103
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:06.599
<v Speaker 7>like that. He looks like a little fucking penciled dick,

1104
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:10.760
<v Speaker 7>fucking nasty motherfucker.

1105
01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you want me to pull it up? And

1106
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:18.159
<v Speaker 2>I got it? I think so here.

1107
01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:27.119
<v Speaker 7>He looks like a young mister Rooney from Ferris Bueller's.

1108
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:27.320
<v Speaker 9>Day Off.

1109
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:29.440
<v Speaker 1>The mustache.

1110
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:30.960
<v Speaker 2>He's gotten this blugshot.

1111
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:32.360
<v Speaker 1>It's serious.

1112
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:36.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, he So, I just wanted everyone to look into

1113
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.239
<v Speaker 7>the eyes of Randy Kraft, the government She's anus killer

1114
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 7>before we move on with the presentation, because look at

1115
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:46.679
<v Speaker 7>this guy.

1116
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:51.000
<v Speaker 10>He has like almost those dead shark eyes, though his

1117
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:52.400
<v Speaker 10>eyes just seemed really dead.

1118
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1119
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:59.880
<v Speaker 7>And and for me, the thing is, he looks kind

1120
01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:04.199
<v Speaker 7>of kind of spindily almost, and it's like the kind

1121
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:08.519
<v Speaker 7>of guys he was abducting. They almost have come to

1122
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:10.760
<v Speaker 7>the conclusion that he would have had to have an

1123
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:15.280
<v Speaker 7>accomplice because a lot of the crime scenes. There were

1124
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:21.360
<v Speaker 7>two pairs of footprints where the body was dumped. There

1125
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:25.519
<v Speaker 7>have been seamen analysis that don't match him, so either

1126
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:29.199
<v Speaker 7>somebody else killed him, but he has pictures of them,

1127
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:33.960
<v Speaker 7>so he was there, so he they're thinking that he

1128
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:37.039
<v Speaker 7>actually might have had an accomplice for all of this,

1129
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:41.280
<v Speaker 7>in which case I would say a lot of people

1130
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:44.880
<v Speaker 7>think that the Son of Sam was multiple assailants. A

1131
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.840
<v Speaker 7>lot of people think the Zodiac Killer was multiple assailants.

1132
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.440
<v Speaker 7>A lot of people. So Randy Kraft government, she's ain

1133
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:55.360
<v Speaker 7>as killer could have been in cooots with someone and

1134
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:57.880
<v Speaker 7>we may just never know about that because it's all

1135
01:06:57.920 --> 01:06:59.880
<v Speaker 7>part of the program. Stuff you're not supposed to know

1136
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:04.400
<v Speaker 7>about that. You're not supposed to know about multiple assailants

1137
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.519
<v Speaker 7>carrying this shit out. He could have been working with

1138
01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:10.000
<v Speaker 7>one of the other serial killers who got busted for

1139
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:13.000
<v Speaker 7>doing these same crimes in and around the same area.

1140
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.519
<v Speaker 7>It's like the Sandman. They met up, they had a

1141
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:20.840
<v Speaker 7>fucking cheeseburger together, and they went and ripped and ran

1142
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.800
<v Speaker 7>through a couple of dudes beeles and you know, called

1143
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:28.440
<v Speaker 7>it tonight, like this could be a real club that

1144
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:31.760
<v Speaker 7>they're in. But I'll let you guys I'll let you

1145
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.400
<v Speaker 7>guys jump in and say whatever before I move on.

1146
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:38.199
<v Speaker 2>What's like anything that?

1147
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:43.599
<v Speaker 9>I mean, he looks better than I expected. I guess,

1148
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:48.480
<v Speaker 9>I don't know, after knowing what he's done. It's kind

1149
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:52.880
<v Speaker 9>of yeah, that mental image, it.

1150
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:56.599
<v Speaker 6>Looks like he I don't know, I snuff film all

1151
01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:57.280
<v Speaker 6>over his face.

1152
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:01.119
<v Speaker 9>Sorry, yeah, yeah.

1153
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.360
<v Speaker 6>I looked up something really quick. It said that his

1154
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:08.039
<v Speaker 6>dad worked for Douglas Aerospace Company.

1155
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:13.400
<v Speaker 7>His dad got him a job, obviously, so I think.

1156
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:19.199
<v Speaker 6>That was already involved in aeronautics of some sort.

1157
01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:24.000
<v Speaker 7>I've said that. I think actually Jeffrey Dahmer's dad helped

1158
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:27.439
<v Speaker 7>him out a lot because his dad was a scientist

1159
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:33.800
<v Speaker 7>doing something. His dad got him into taxidermy, and nobody

1160
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:37.399
<v Speaker 7>can figure out how this guy, Jeffrey Dahmer, who had

1161
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:42.560
<v Speaker 7>no car, was able to get a five gallon drum

1162
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:46.680
<v Speaker 7>of acid into his apartment which was on the second floor,

1163
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:49.399
<v Speaker 7>no elevator, with no help and where did he get

1164
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:53.640
<v Speaker 7>it from? So I mean I think that he literally

1165
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:56.600
<v Speaker 7>his dad was helping him the entire time. Who taught

1166
01:08:56.680 --> 01:08:59.880
<v Speaker 7>him about dissolving bones into a big drum acid and

1167
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.079
<v Speaker 7>stuff like that? I don't know, maybe a scientist guy

1168
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:06.359
<v Speaker 7>his dad was always his fucking cheerleader throughout the whole time,

1169
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:08.920
<v Speaker 7>every interview, his dad was there.

1170
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:11.279
<v Speaker 6>His dad was a chemistry guy.

1171
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:15.079
<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Lisa, you would know. I mean

1172
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:17.159
<v Speaker 7>it's like, if that's what you're into and your son's

1173
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:20.079
<v Speaker 7>a serial killer, would you not have some aspect of

1174
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.680
<v Speaker 7>like influence over how he perpetrated the crimes? I mean

1175
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.359
<v Speaker 7>to me, it looks like go ahead.

1176
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:28.840
<v Speaker 6>Or you know, like whenever we talk about the Laurel

1177
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:32.760
<v Speaker 6>Canyon kids, their parents were in the military and they

1178
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:38.199
<v Speaker 6>were serving the country, doing these songs and influencing culture

1179
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:40.640
<v Speaker 6>and what have you. Right, who's to say that these

1180
01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:43.880
<v Speaker 6>scientists they don't all have to work at a military base.

1181
01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:46.560
<v Speaker 6>They could have had private contracts in their university that

1182
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.159
<v Speaker 6>the respective universities that they worked at, and then they

1183
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:51.319
<v Speaker 6>were employing their kids kind of, you know, following in

1184
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:55.880
<v Speaker 6>daddy's footsteps, just like the Laurel Canyon kids did. Yes,

1185
01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:57.600
<v Speaker 6>that's not supposed to happen.

1186
01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:01.359
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, one hundred, one hundred. I'm actually going to close

1187
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:03.600
<v Speaker 7>this window right here because the sun is getting in

1188
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:04.960
<v Speaker 7>my abb I'll hang on a second.

1189
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:09.439
<v Speaker 8>Well, and I'm really excited to kind of hear more

1190
01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:13.319
<v Speaker 8>about the other serial killers that could have potentially been

1191
01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:16.399
<v Speaker 8>helping him, because I think even with Son of Sam,

1192
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:19.239
<v Speaker 8>I think we give these guys way too much credit

1193
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:21.800
<v Speaker 8>for them to be just a working alone.

1194
01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Yes, not to go back to the show, but like

1195
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Sam and like they were like like exchanging business cards,

1196
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:33.680
<v Speaker 1>like hey, let's work together, you know, like it was

1197
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:38.319
<v Speaker 1>like that whole creepy ass network, you know.

1198
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.000
<v Speaker 9>Just yeah, and then you find out that he was

1199
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:45.359
<v Speaker 9>tied into the Processed Church as well. Yeah, right, and

1200
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:47.840
<v Speaker 9>he talks about it, you know, and it's like you

1201
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:50.039
<v Speaker 9>find out who else is tied to? The Processed Church

1202
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.479
<v Speaker 9>is a huge network, and it ties into the Temple

1203
01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:54.119
<v Speaker 9>set of course.

1204
01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Michael Aquino, I think so many of us

1205
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:03.439
<v Speaker 1>know that the places of power controlled by some fucked

1206
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:07.079
<v Speaker 1>up people, right, I mean that's pretty evident. I think

1207
01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:12.520
<v Speaker 1>all of us here have seen behind that curtain, and

1208
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:16.520
<v Speaker 1>this just kind of is one of those things, like,

1209
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how many times Julie did he get there?

1210
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:24.239
<v Speaker 1>There was multiple reports of him getting pulled over with

1211
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:27.720
<v Speaker 1>bodies in the car and them not even searching the

1212
01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:30.920
<v Speaker 1>car or whatever, because you know, and I'm sorry, but

1213
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you can only act normal and like, oh, I guess officer,

1214
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you know so many times six times?

1215
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:43.880
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and you pull a guy over with the mustache

1216
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:46.479
<v Speaker 7>like that and it smells like dead bee hole in

1217
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:49.079
<v Speaker 7>the car and you're telling me like nobody ever thought,

1218
01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:52.439
<v Speaker 7>just like Jeffrey Dahmer's apartments, Like nobody smelled anything, nobody

1219
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:55.720
<v Speaker 7>saw anything. It's like, yeah, as a police officer, are

1220
01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:58.560
<v Speaker 7>you not trained to like use all your five senses

1221
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:02.239
<v Speaker 7>to like pick up ship? Like is every is every

1222
01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:05.239
<v Speaker 7>police officer really just that incompetent? Or is there something

1223
01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:06.520
<v Speaker 7>going on with this guy?

1224
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:11.079
<v Speaker 1>So just as well, Sorry, I don't want to cut

1225
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:15.239
<v Speaker 1>anybody off, but I was also a cop, so were you.

1226
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I there's no, yes, but don't judge.

1227
01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:23.000
<v Speaker 7>Me too late.

1228
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:27.800
<v Speaker 11>But at the end of the day, like that's that's

1229
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:32.640
<v Speaker 11>this is like policing one on one and again, you know,

1230
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:34.640
<v Speaker 11>do we give it a pass because it was like.

1231
01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:37.600
<v Speaker 1>The seventies and it was just weird and.

1232
01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:41.399
<v Speaker 7>Red bodies that smelled this thing from the beginning. At

1233
01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:44.239
<v Speaker 7>That's what I'm saying. But it's like at some point,

1234
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:47.399
<v Speaker 7>this guy's car had to be a picture because he

1235
01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:50.359
<v Speaker 7>used to carry like photographs of the dead people in

1236
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:55.680
<v Speaker 7>his car with him, So did somebody. Yeah, nobody saw,

1237
01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:58.319
<v Speaker 7>nobody saw anything. Nobody like you.

1238
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:03.600
<v Speaker 8>Doc. Well, I think that maybe as far as you know,

1239
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:05.560
<v Speaker 8>having so many run ins with police, like you said,

1240
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:07.159
<v Speaker 8>you can only act normal so many times.

1241
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Speaker 10>But what if you know you're not going to go

1242
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:11.840
<v Speaker 10>to jail, you're not going to be arrested. You have

1243
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:14.239
<v Speaker 10>that confidence that you're going to be let out.

1244
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:15.039
<v Speaker 7>Of course, you're going.

1245
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:16.960
<v Speaker 8>To be calm, cool and collected, even when you have

1246
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.640
<v Speaker 8>a decapitated corpse because you know you're going to be

1247
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:21.279
<v Speaker 8>out in three hours or twelve hours.

1248
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:22.399
<v Speaker 10>They're not going to.

1249
01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Hold you because they right, your buddy's the ada on shift.

1250
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.680
<v Speaker 7>That's the thing. And that's why I think they were

1251
01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:35.159
<v Speaker 7>so brazen a lot of the time, especially Ted Bundy.

1252
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:39.239
<v Speaker 7>I mean he escaped from prison twice. Twice. You escape

1253
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:42.119
<v Speaker 7>from prison, it's like this guy knows, you know, like

1254
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:47.680
<v Speaker 7>there's something up here. So the two other guys that

1255
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:51.359
<v Speaker 7>were ripping and running through Dude's buttholes in and around

1256
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:53.760
<v Speaker 7>the same time as Randy Craft. The first guy's name,

1257
01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:56.880
<v Speaker 7>he was also known as the Freeway Killer, just like

1258
01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:02.319
<v Speaker 7>Randy Craft. His name is Patrick Wayne Kirk. And I'm

1259
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.000
<v Speaker 7>not sure if you guys have ever heard of this guy,

1260
01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:09.279
<v Speaker 7>but he's a prolific serial killer out of the sixties

1261
01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:13.640
<v Speaker 7>as well. That just like Randy Craft, was from southern California,

1262
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:19.399
<v Speaker 7>and he murdered by dismembering, disemboweling, and cutting his victim's

1263
01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:22.960
<v Speaker 7>hearts and lungs out, And he's known to have killed

1264
01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:25.560
<v Speaker 7>at least twenty eight young men in this way. He

1265
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:30.199
<v Speaker 7>raped them and then he would dismember them, disembowel them,

1266
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:33.760
<v Speaker 7>and just like Randy Craft, it's like, how do you tell?

1267
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:35.439
<v Speaker 7>And then he would dump them on the side of

1268
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:38.359
<v Speaker 7>the freeway. How do you tell who's doing what? When

1269
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:45.039
<v Speaker 7>you got two guys in southern California who are both gay,

1270
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:51.319
<v Speaker 7>ripping and running through young men in various ways, and

1271
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:53.800
<v Speaker 7>you look at Patrick Kearney and it's like, Okay, what

1272
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:59.840
<v Speaker 7>are the other similarities. Patrick Kearney was in the air

1273
01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:08.640
<v Speaker 7>just like Randy Craft. Patrick Kearney was highly intelligent, and

1274
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:14.439
<v Speaker 7>he spent a lot of time stationed at some type

1275
01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:21.199
<v Speaker 7>of Air Force base in Texas, where he became best

1276
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:27.279
<v Speaker 7>friends with Lee Harvey Oswald. I can't make this shit up,

1277
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:27.760
<v Speaker 7>you guys.

1278
01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:28.760
<v Speaker 10>Of course he did.

1279
01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:33.720
<v Speaker 7>After Patrick Kearney joins the Air Force, he is sent

1280
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:39.079
<v Speaker 7>to Dallas, Texas, and he befriends Lee Harvey Oswald and

1281
01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:42.920
<v Speaker 7>they go to language school together. They become best friends,

1282
01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:47.640
<v Speaker 7>and he has he said that he drove Lee Harvey

1283
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:50.880
<v Speaker 7>Osweald to the Mexican border and went to Mexico City

1284
01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:55.279
<v Speaker 7>with him on top secret operations, then returned to California

1285
01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:58.800
<v Speaker 7>to rip and run through dude's buttholes with Randy Craft

1286
01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:03.000
<v Speaker 7>also in the area, shoving socks up people's bee holes.

1287
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:08.159
<v Speaker 7>And it's like, Okay, what are some other weird things

1288
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:11.000
<v Speaker 7>about Patrick Kearney that fit the program to kill Blueprint?

1289
01:16:11.239 --> 01:16:15.560
<v Speaker 7>When he returned to California before he started his murder spree,

1290
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:19.640
<v Speaker 7>he bought a yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he used to

1291
01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:23.640
<v Speaker 7>pick up all of his victims, just like fucking Ted Bundy.

1292
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:27.920
<v Speaker 7>So it's like, come on, you guys, is that just

1293
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:32.119
<v Speaker 7>the murder vehicle? That's just so random. He's friends with

1294
01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:34.960
<v Speaker 7>Lee Harvey Oswald, he's in the Air Force, he's ripping

1295
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:37.960
<v Speaker 7>and running through dude's buttholes. He has a yellow Volkswagen Beetle,

1296
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:42.039
<v Speaker 7>just like Ted Bundy. I mean yeah, he's just checking

1297
01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:48.560
<v Speaker 7>all the boxes literally literally. So he was also a necrophile,

1298
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:54.159
<v Speaker 7>something that Randy Kraft did not do that Patrick Kearney

1299
01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:57.079
<v Speaker 7>was involved with, but much like Ted Bundy, he was

1300
01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:00.920
<v Speaker 7>into necrophilia. And it's kind of like I said at

1301
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:03.560
<v Speaker 7>the beginning of this episode, you got to understand that

1302
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:06.960
<v Speaker 7>there's like this governmental program aspect of it, but there's

1303
01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:10.000
<v Speaker 7>also a lot of ritualism. And I think that there's

1304
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:13.079
<v Speaker 7>a lot of ritualism in the way that they killed

1305
01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:15.359
<v Speaker 7>their victims. I think there's a lot of ritualism and

1306
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.960
<v Speaker 7>necrophilia and a lot of the like taking the hearts

1307
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.479
<v Speaker 7>out of the victims, you know, doing this stuff. It's

1308
01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:27.560
<v Speaker 7>significant to them. And you know, just the fact that

1309
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:32.640
<v Speaker 7>he's documented as being friends with Lee Harvey Oswald. It

1310
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:36.640
<v Speaker 7>should bother people, you know, because this guy was getting

1311
01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:39.000
<v Speaker 7>away with it for a really long time, just like

1312
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:42.560
<v Speaker 7>Randy Kraft was, and they couldn't even tell the victims

1313
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.239
<v Speaker 7>apart they were so similar. Tell me, these two didn't

1314
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:51.600
<v Speaker 7>know about each other. They had to have. And then

1315
01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:57.800
<v Speaker 7>in nineteen sixty eight, the third guy pops up and

1316
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:01.600
<v Speaker 7>his name is William Bonnan. He was also referred to

1317
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:07.079
<v Speaker 7>as the Freeway Killer. So Randy Craft, Patrick Kearney and

1318
01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:10.199
<v Speaker 7>William Bonnen were all known as the Freeway Killer. They

1319
01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:13.880
<v Speaker 7>all were raping and torturing and murdering boys in southern California,

1320
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:20.239
<v Speaker 7>and he's he confessed to twenty one murders. And he

1321
01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:24.920
<v Speaker 7>was also specifically in the Air Force. Around the same time,

1322
01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:30.600
<v Speaker 7>Patrick Kearney and Randy Craft were in southern California perpetrating

1323
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:34.159
<v Speaker 7>almost identical crimes as each other and was able to

1324
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:39.439
<v Speaker 7>get away with it from nineteen sixty eight until nineteen eighty. So,

1325
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:44.640
<v Speaker 7>I mean, you guys, it's too much. It's too much.

1326
01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:46.520
<v Speaker 7>What are your thoughts on this so far?

1327
01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is almost like too much to be coincidence,

1328
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:58.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, freaking wild sprout.

1329
01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:03.319
<v Speaker 7>I've never heard of him, all three of them or one.

1330
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:06.560
<v Speaker 9>Just just the main guy, but I mean, yeah, all

1331
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:10.920
<v Speaker 9>three of them, even looking into serial killers, I've never

1332
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:15.199
<v Speaker 9>he's never crossed my path so well.

1333
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:21.800
<v Speaker 7>Out of this southern California area, The Golden State Killer,

1334
01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:28.039
<v Speaker 7>also military. Right southern California, there was a guy named

1335
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:33.760
<v Speaker 7>Lonnie David Franklin Junior, known as the Grim Sleeper, also military.

1336
01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:38.960
<v Speaker 7>He started murdering in and around nineteen eighty five. Richard Ramirez,

1337
01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:43.279
<v Speaker 7>did you guys, do you guys know about the military

1338
01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:45.079
<v Speaker 7>connection with Richard Ramirez.

1339
01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:47.199
<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

1340
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:52.119
<v Speaker 7>Okay, let me tell you what I found. Would you

1341
01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:52.560
<v Speaker 7>say name?

1342
01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I know, I've come across it somehow, I don't remember

1343
01:19:54.920 --> 01:19:55.359
<v Speaker 2>what it is.

1344
01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:01.880
<v Speaker 7>So people people don't actually relate Richard Ramirez as having

1345
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:06.319
<v Speaker 7>military connections. But I found this interesting little article on him,

1346
01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:09.680
<v Speaker 7>and it says that at the age of twelve, Richard

1347
01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:12.600
<v Speaker 7>Ramirez was taken under the wing of his older cousin

1348
01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:17.039
<v Speaker 7>named Mike Vales, who was a soldier in the US

1349
01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:20.359
<v Speaker 7>Army who himself had become a serial killer and a

1350
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:24.239
<v Speaker 7>rapist during his service in the Vietnam War. And Valis

1351
01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:28.079
<v Speaker 7>often boasted of committing gruesome war crimes in Vietnam and

1352
01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:33.079
<v Speaker 7>shared polaroid photos with young Ramirez showing Vietnamese women who

1353
01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:38.319
<v Speaker 7>he had raped, murdered, dismembered, and decapitated. So, in my opinion,

1354
01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:44.600
<v Speaker 7>he has military esque connections right because his role model,

1355
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.920
<v Speaker 7>his older cousin, Miguel Mike Vallas, was in the US

1356
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:55.359
<v Speaker 7>Army during Laurel Canyon, right Vietnam shit dismembering, disemboweling, and

1357
01:20:55.359 --> 01:21:00.680
<v Speaker 7>decapitating women's heads off, and this is who Richard Dramirez

1358
01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:05.680
<v Speaker 7>grew up as his role model. So to me that counts.

1359
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:09.840
<v Speaker 7>That's like a sub sect of the program to Kill Academy.

1360
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:16.960
<v Speaker 6>It's weird stuff, Julia I fi, Yes, go ahead really quickly.

1361
01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:20.920
<v Speaker 6>In that you talked about how these three, these three

1362
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:23.159
<v Speaker 6>men were they all air Force?

1363
01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:25.159
<v Speaker 7>Yes, all three.

1364
01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:29.520
<v Speaker 6>So we have the Air Force being created in nineteen

1365
01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:32.920
<v Speaker 6>forty seven. It is an offshoot of the Navy. It's

1366
01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:36.239
<v Speaker 6>brand new, and they're doing a lot of testing. They're

1367
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:39.079
<v Speaker 6>doing a lot of experimentation. A lot of the guys

1368
01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:44.960
<v Speaker 6>of some of Los Alamo's, the Atomic Commission and all

1369
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:48.479
<v Speaker 6>that other stuff is kind of in this whole realm

1370
01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:51.760
<v Speaker 6>esque of things. And if you hear about Los Alamo's,

1371
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:54.119
<v Speaker 6>you know it's not just looking for the splitting of

1372
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:56.239
<v Speaker 6>the atom there. We're doing all kinds of other stuff

1373
01:21:56.279 --> 01:22:00.840
<v Speaker 6>as well. And then you have the that you made

1374
01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:05.239
<v Speaker 6>with Lee Harvey Oswald. And I think Nick and I

1375
01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:08.119
<v Speaker 6>kind of flirted with the idea of doing a show

1376
01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:13.199
<v Speaker 6>on this because Lee Harvey Oswald has intense connections to

1377
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:16.600
<v Speaker 6>have never left the military. He was always doing some

1378
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:20.000
<v Speaker 6>sort of secret op with the military. He comes from

1379
01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:24.359
<v Speaker 6>a prominent family. He was also involved in the testing

1380
01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:29.560
<v Speaker 6>in a medical government contracted facility in New Orleans where

1381
01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:34.840
<v Speaker 6>they developed a weapon to potentially kill Fidel Castro in

1382
01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:39.119
<v Speaker 6>the form of fast acting cancer vaccine. He is very

1383
01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:42.640
<v Speaker 6>intimately related with that entire project, as too far that

1384
01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:44.680
<v Speaker 6>the girl he was dating at the time who was

1385
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:47.760
<v Speaker 6>doing the experiment, they were dating, so he was there.

1386
01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:51.840
<v Speaker 6>So you have the Texas Louisiana connection, you have the

1387
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:55.600
<v Speaker 6>military connection, you have the experimentation, you have going down

1388
01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:59.600
<v Speaker 6>to Mexico. You have all of that, and then now

1389
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:04.520
<v Speaker 6>serial killers who were in the Air Force and you're

1390
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:07.880
<v Speaker 6>having the Air Force and all kinds of testing. I

1391
01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:10.159
<v Speaker 6>don't know that you need any more connections.

1392
01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:13.960
<v Speaker 7>I'm with you, Lisa one hundred. I mean, you painted

1393
01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:16.800
<v Speaker 7>a beautiful picture of what I think even Brooke and

1394
01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:22.720
<v Speaker 7>Bennett and Jules would agree is this is definitely by design.

1395
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:27.880
<v Speaker 7>This is an experiment. They're figuring shit out right. It's

1396
01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:33.039
<v Speaker 7>all part of this Laurel Canyon esque era. And I

1397
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:36.640
<v Speaker 7>think that the music scene and the serial killer scene

1398
01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:41.159
<v Speaker 7>are there projects that they were interested in in pursuing

1399
01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:44.520
<v Speaker 7>during this time. They were the training wheels for what

1400
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.560
<v Speaker 7>was to come. I mean, look at how serial killers

1401
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:52.560
<v Speaker 7>and how music has changed since then it's like they

1402
01:23:52.680 --> 01:23:56.000
<v Speaker 7>just it gets worse with time, it doesn't get better.

1403
01:23:56.199 --> 01:23:56.439
<v Speaker 10>You know.

1404
01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:59.479
<v Speaker 7>I wish the CIA would come back and fix some

1405
01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:01.920
<v Speaker 7>shit up because I'm so fucking sick of like Lady

1406
01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:04.720
<v Speaker 7>Gaga and stuff like that, like bring back like the

1407
01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:09.119
<v Speaker 7>Laurel Canyon, Jim Morrison ship, I love Betters.

1408
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like since eighty nine, the amount of serial

1409
01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>killers is just gone straight down.

1410
01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:22.640
<v Speaker 7>Oh god, yeah, I would love I would love a

1411
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:23.560
<v Speaker 7>renaissance ofthing.

1412
01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Not that they've gone away or anything. I'm just saying

1413
01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:30.880
<v Speaker 1>that it's way less since nineteen eighty nine. That seems

1414
01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:32.520
<v Speaker 1>to be the tipping year.

1415
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:37.800
<v Speaker 8>So here's a question for you. So, how many of

1416
01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:40.520
<v Speaker 8>these serial killers do you think are organic? And like

1417
01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:46.680
<v Speaker 8>just hypothetically in how money are by design, like.

1418
01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:48.800
<v Speaker 7>If I had to put a percentage on it, like

1419
01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:55.640
<v Speaker 7>you know I have in my lifetime, which I'm not

1420
01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:59.079
<v Speaker 7>older any shit like that. But I've never met a

1421
01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:03.119
<v Speaker 7>serial killer. I've never known anyone who has meta serial killer.

1422
01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:06.720
<v Speaker 7>So it's like it makes you wonder how many of

1423
01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:09.720
<v Speaker 7>them there actually are or if the numbers are inflated,

1424
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:14.720
<v Speaker 7>and how many of them are organic?

1425
01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:18.800
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, and have these strange connections you know, it's yeah,

1426
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:21.239
<v Speaker 5>they all seem to have these strange connections, and so

1427
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:23.680
<v Speaker 5>it's kind of like, you know, does it just a

1428
01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:29.960
<v Speaker 5>natural I mean, psychopaths obviously exist, but to go so

1429
01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:33.199
<v Speaker 5>far as to, you know, do what some of these

1430
01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:35.000
<v Speaker 5>guys do, it's just I don't know.

1431
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:39.960
<v Speaker 7>I want to say, like maybe ten maybe ten percent.

1432
01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:41.640
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if you guys could agree with me,

1433
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:44.920
<v Speaker 7>but maybe ten percent are just random psychos that like

1434
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:46.039
<v Speaker 7>murder their mom or something.

1435
01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:49.840
<v Speaker 9>I'd say ten percent or less. Yeah, yeah, like Ed Kemper,

1436
01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:54.439
<v Speaker 9>did he have any ties to the military or anything, or.

1437
01:25:54.640 --> 01:25:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Probably it seems like there is a lot right of

1438
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:02.640
<v Speaker 1>folks tied to the military. Now, the one thing I

1439
01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:05.199
<v Speaker 1>am going to say about that is that you do

1440
01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>have an an exorbitant amount of psychopaths in the military,

1441
01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and they can go one of two ways. So it's

1442
01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:18.520
<v Speaker 1>just like, I'm sorry too, but the way the cops are,

1443
01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>cops are just their psychological profiles are right on that

1444
01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:27.920
<v Speaker 1>razor's edge of either you can neither be a cop

1445
01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:32.640
<v Speaker 1>for good or you can just be a fucking psychopath murderer,

1446
01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:34.880
<v Speaker 1>like the perfect criminal.

1447
01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:35.399
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1448
01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:38.840
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying all cops, I'm saying a lot

1449
01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:43.119
<v Speaker 1>of them psychologically, especially you have those guys in the military,

1450
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:50.319
<v Speaker 1>especially guys and special ops who frankly a lot of

1451
01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:56.119
<v Speaker 1>them are and we all know who they are that

1452
01:26:56.279 --> 01:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>are there for not because they love God and country.

1453
01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:06.399
<v Speaker 1>They're there because of clout or because they frankly want

1454
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:10.520
<v Speaker 1>to kill people or they we everyone that's been in

1455
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the military knows one of those guys. So it's like, so,

1456
01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:18.840
<v Speaker 1>do those psychopaths just live and then and then if

1457
01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:21.560
<v Speaker 1>they go to war and get broken by ship that

1458
01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:25.039
<v Speaker 1>they have to do or whatever, does that just exacerbate things?

1459
01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, I don't know. I'm just thinking of psychological trauma.

1460
01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Is trauma is a crazy thing, and so said too.

1461
01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:40.640
<v Speaker 1>It also maybe they do some bad ship and then

1462
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>that opens the door for them to get corrupted by

1463
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>whoever or whatever.

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01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:50.800
<v Speaker 9>Physical or non physical entity, right, I.

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01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Mean, Doc brought it up in the thing. It sounds like,

1466
01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:57.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, terrestrial spirits sometimes, like some of these things

1467
01:27:57.359 --> 01:28:01.479
<v Speaker 1>like fuckers do some wicked shit and open some crazy

1468
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>fucking doors and let in some crazy stuff. I mean,

1469
01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>because when you get bored in the military too, they

1470
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:12.319
<v Speaker 1>just do dumb shit. It's teenagers doing dumb shit.

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01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:18.239
<v Speaker 7>I think if you're if you're highly functioning enough and

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01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:24.920
<v Speaker 7>it's and it's scouted out early enough, yes, that they

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01:28:25.039 --> 01:28:30.199
<v Speaker 7>will choose very young men to be you know, used

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01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:33.319
<v Speaker 7>in unspecified capacities, inducted into the military.

1475
01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:38.319
<v Speaker 1>And so many of these people and again I'll say it,

1476
01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:40.399
<v Speaker 1>it was brought up in the chat adults that were

1477
01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:45.079
<v Speaker 1>bullied as kids flexing now like flexing, Oh we've got

1478
01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:48.279
<v Speaker 1>the power. Now. You see that a lot with police officers,

1479
01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>you see that a lot with the military folk and

1480
01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:54.560
<v Speaker 1>people in power, and then they just get addicted to that. Right,

1481
01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, but.

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01:28:56.600 --> 01:28:59.159
<v Speaker 7>To the point, but to the point of murdering is

1483
01:28:59.199 --> 01:28:59.760
<v Speaker 7>what we're.

1484
01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's crazy. Now, it's crazy.

1485
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:04.920
<v Speaker 7>And because a serial killer or.

1486
01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:07.399
<v Speaker 1>Just yeah it's possible.

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01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:10.000
<v Speaker 7>Still, I still would say it's only ten percent. Are

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01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:13.359
<v Speaker 7>the ones you're talking about like maybe from a young

1489
01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:16.119
<v Speaker 7>age or like you know, a power.

1490
01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Saying I'm saying that they there's an MO right, Definitely,

1491
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:25.079
<v Speaker 1>people that can be manipulated. Yeah, the folks and the

1492
01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>people that that we've been talking about and that you've

1493
01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:32.039
<v Speaker 1>been alluding to the fact that they're controlled. That's how

1494
01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>they recruit them anyway, because they can be molded and

1495
01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:38.600
<v Speaker 1>manipulated and twisted and boom, there you go.

1496
01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:42.000
<v Speaker 7>Well, you know who else? I think it's like I

1497
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:50.800
<v Speaker 7>think I think cops, military, surgeons, and doctors. I think they.

1498
01:29:50.920 --> 01:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Many serial killers were doctors.

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01:29:53.319 --> 01:29:56.079
<v Speaker 7>You heard of that one doctor who was literally running

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01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:58.760
<v Speaker 7>around fucking murdering the shit out of people.

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01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I have won the I have one in my hometown

1502
01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:06.439
<v Speaker 1>in Connecticut family he put his whole family through a

1503
01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:07.039
<v Speaker 1>wood chipper.

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01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.680
<v Speaker 2>There's been a few of them that were also just interested.

1505
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:13.439
<v Speaker 2>And I found this interesting because because of certain things,

1506
01:30:13.479 --> 01:30:16.199
<v Speaker 2>like when it comes to the occult, you know, we've

1507
01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:18.239
<v Speaker 2>me and Lisa have covered like you know, there's books

1508
01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:20.239
<v Speaker 2>back in like the sixteen seventeen hundreds of people are

1509
01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:23.039
<v Speaker 2>drawing like detailed ship and it's just like, how are

1510
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you coming across that and probably fucking cutting open dead

1511
01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:28.159
<v Speaker 2>bodies or whatever, you know, who knows what's going on?

1512
01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:30.800
<v Speaker 2>And like in the movie Front Hell, Like in the

1513
01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:33.199
<v Speaker 2>movie from Hell, they show kind of like Freemason's cutting

1514
01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>people open and looking at him and stuff, and that

1515
01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Jack the rip a movie. But like, I, uh, fuck, oh,

1516
01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>you know how many there there has been a few

1517
01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>serial killers, And I've just wondered like it's just like

1518
01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>some weird shit that's like common and maybe is the

1519
01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:50.279
<v Speaker 2>occult somehow interest you know, involved in it where they're

1520
01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:53.319
<v Speaker 2>very interested in cutting people open and seeing their insights.

1521
01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:58.039
<v Speaker 2>There's been a few of them that even say that, like.

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01:30:58.119 --> 01:31:01.399
<v Speaker 7>The taking of the heart out taken of like the

1523
01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:03.960
<v Speaker 7>like Jack the Ripper, one of the very first serial

1524
01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:08.239
<v Speaker 7>killers to ever By the way, definitely if Programmed to

1525
01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:12.199
<v Speaker 7>Kill was around for that time period, fucking Jack the

1526
01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:14.399
<v Speaker 7>Ripper would have been one of them, because I have

1527
01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:19.199
<v Speaker 7>heard that it was like Auster Crowleys.

1528
01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:22.359
<v Speaker 9>I've heard he was he was the English Lord. He

1529
01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:24.439
<v Speaker 9>was part of one of those bloodlines, and they just

1530
01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:26.600
<v Speaker 9>kind of let him out on the loose at at night.

1531
01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:28.560
<v Speaker 9>We're just like he'll come back in the morning.

1532
01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:32.720
<v Speaker 7>Also heard that he was acting on behalf of the

1533
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:41.279
<v Speaker 7>one Petrova what's her name. Yes, she was acting on

1534
01:31:41.319 --> 01:31:44.640
<v Speaker 7>her behalf because she was actually more popular.

1535
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:48.039
<v Speaker 9>He was kind of doing these these kind of uh

1536
01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:51.479
<v Speaker 9>you know, these murders as these rituals in the field,

1537
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:54.960
<v Speaker 9>and she was maybe doing the incantations and stuff behind

1538
01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:55.560
<v Speaker 9>the scenes.

1539
01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.520
<v Speaker 7>I mean she was the mind behind the murder.

1540
01:31:59.600 --> 01:31:59.960
<v Speaker 9>The magic.

1541
01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:03.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, if you look at the victims there were certain

1542
01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:05.880
<v Speaker 6>victims that had missing body parts.

1543
01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1544
01:32:07.039 --> 01:32:08.760
<v Speaker 6>Female, it was almost like a stuck curement.

1545
01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:10.840
<v Speaker 9>Were they making a Franken style?

1546
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:17.319
<v Speaker 7>It was like uterus tits, like weird stuff like that.

1547
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:21.920
<v Speaker 7>They would they were removing that like specifically.

1548
01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:24.039
<v Speaker 2>You could look it up right now, or they.

1549
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:26.520
<v Speaker 9>Were trying to make some weird timunculus or something.

1550
01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you could look it up now on the internet

1551
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:31.039
<v Speaker 2>if people you know, want to check it out. Alison

1552
01:32:31.119 --> 01:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Crowley blames Helena Bolovotsky for Jacks the River.

1553
01:32:35.119 --> 01:32:38.199
<v Speaker 7>That's what I'm saying, Nick, Like, there's always an aspect

1554
01:32:38.239 --> 01:32:39.720
<v Speaker 7>of this that's magical.

1555
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>He said that other people were doing it for like

1556
01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:44.560
<v Speaker 2>a ritual of some sort of shit.

1557
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:47.680
<v Speaker 7>But when you look at like modern day serial killers,

1558
01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:50.319
<v Speaker 7>don't you get that same vibe. Like with Jeffrey he

1559
01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:52.880
<v Speaker 7>wanted to. He said, I want to build an altar

1560
01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:56.000
<v Speaker 7>out of the bones. I want to build an altar

1561
01:32:56.119 --> 01:32:59.399
<v Speaker 7>with the skulls and the bones and the He was

1562
01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:01.439
<v Speaker 7>like all pain black and I'm going to turn this

1563
01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:03.640
<v Speaker 7>guy's skull into a lamp and like do all this

1564
01:33:03.680 --> 01:33:05.880
<v Speaker 7>stuff with it. And then he said he couldn't get

1565
01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:08.840
<v Speaker 7>charged up to like go murder people unless he watched

1566
01:33:08.920 --> 01:33:12.439
<v Speaker 7>The Exorcist Part three or some shit like that, and

1567
01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:15.199
<v Speaker 7>like he would wear yellow contacts and he would do

1568
01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:20.920
<v Speaker 7>all this. It's like to me, there's a lot of virtualism.

1569
01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:21.600
<v Speaker 6>But it's almost like why does he need to get

1570
01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:24.319
<v Speaker 6>charged up? I thought you would if you're a serial killer,

1571
01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:26.920
<v Speaker 6>you automatically just do it on the fly. I mean

1572
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:30.319
<v Speaker 6>like it's on it's on drip right, like you know,

1573
01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:33.119
<v Speaker 6>you don't need to get charged up for it.

1574
01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:35.800
<v Speaker 7>Like he's he should be juiced up and ready to

1575
01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:36.840
<v Speaker 7>go at all times.

1576
01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:39.920
<v Speaker 6>Like you got you got, you know, your to do list,

1577
01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:42.640
<v Speaker 6>you got your honey do list for the week, and

1578
01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:44.199
<v Speaker 6>you're like, crap, no, I have to go do this?

1579
01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:49.119
<v Speaker 7>Well you in Oh, go ahead, brit.

1580
01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:51.279
<v Speaker 10>I was going to ask, have you guys seen the

1581
01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:52.479
<v Speaker 10>show The Hunting Party?

1582
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:54.319
<v Speaker 9>I have not?

1583
01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:59.199
<v Speaker 8>Okay, So when you were talking about, uh, you know,

1584
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:02.960
<v Speaker 8>potentially big players involved. Basically, the premise of the show

1585
01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:06.680
<v Speaker 8>is it's about serial killers who either go to jail

1586
01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:10.479
<v Speaker 8>or get caught, and they're supposedly say they get the

1587
01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:12.640
<v Speaker 8>death penalty or go to jail, but really they're taken

1588
01:34:12.680 --> 01:34:17.840
<v Speaker 8>to this black CIA site where they run testing on

1589
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:22.159
<v Speaker 8>them and they're not really dead, and long story short,

1590
01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:24.960
<v Speaker 8>it's it ties back to the Attorney General who's actually

1591
01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:28.640
<v Speaker 8>running this site, and they're running tests on these serial

1592
01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:33.560
<v Speaker 8>killers and somebody like explodes this silo and they all escape,

1593
01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:36.239
<v Speaker 8>and then it's up to this like CIA Black Ops

1594
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:39.000
<v Speaker 8>teem to go procure them all because they want to

1595
01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:42.279
<v Speaker 8>test their empathy. They want to test to see if

1596
01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:45.720
<v Speaker 8>they can cure them or fix them or Wow.

1597
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:48.840
<v Speaker 7>I really thought outside the box on that one. Like

1598
01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:52.159
<v Speaker 7>I wonder where they got their fucking inspiration from, don't

1599
01:34:52.479 --> 01:34:54.479
<v Speaker 7>It's like, you know what I'm saying, But that's just

1600
01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:57.760
<v Speaker 7>that's just real life stuff. Like sometimes I watch a

1601
01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:01.159
<v Speaker 7>show and it's supposed to be like fantasy or whatever,

1602
01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:03.600
<v Speaker 7>and I'm like, dude, that no, that's real, like that

1603
01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:08.199
<v Speaker 7>Black Mirror shit. No, sorry, that's our reality right now,

1604
01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:12.119
<v Speaker 7>Like we're living in American horror story. This is all real,

1605
01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:16.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, murderers, witches all.

1606
01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what they're doing anyway.

1607
01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:24.720
<v Speaker 7>So yeah, And actually I wanted to mention as one

1608
01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:26.760
<v Speaker 7>of the other serial killers that I want to talk

1609
01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:31.279
<v Speaker 7>about eventually with you guys, is that dating game killer

1610
01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:36.760
<v Speaker 7>came out of Southern California as well. In the sixties,

1611
01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:42.199
<v Speaker 7>also military background and he was said to be uh

1612
01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:46.119
<v Speaker 7>he had like a genius IQ and shit. And he

1613
01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:51.239
<v Speaker 7>went on to study film under Roman Polanski. Shocker, and

1614
01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:54.439
<v Speaker 7>he found his way onto the Dating Game Show, one

1615
01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:59.000
<v Speaker 7>of the most popular shows on television back then. So

1616
01:35:59.119 --> 01:36:02.960
<v Speaker 7>you tell me there's not some type of connections with

1617
01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:05.960
<v Speaker 7>these fucking guys. The Dating Game Killer murdered like one

1618
01:36:06.039 --> 01:36:09.359
<v Speaker 7>hundred and thirty women and he was friends with Roman

1619
01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:12.760
<v Speaker 7>Polayan skis from southern California. He was in the military.

1620
01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:15.720
<v Speaker 7>He has a genius level IQ. He found his way

1621
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:19.800
<v Speaker 7>onto the Dating game show and he won that round

1622
01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:23.239
<v Speaker 7>of the dating game And it's like, that's why they

1623
01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:25.720
<v Speaker 7>made a movie about it on Netflix because that girl

1624
01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:28.359
<v Speaker 7>refused to go out with him even after he she

1625
01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:31.279
<v Speaker 7>picked him because she said he gave me the creeps.

1626
01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:34.760
<v Speaker 7>That just goes to show you a woman's intuition. But

1627
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:41.439
<v Speaker 7>that guy definitely checks all the boxes for program to kill.

1628
01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:45.279
<v Speaker 8>And Randy Kraft didn't he have a really high IQ

1629
01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:47.680
<v Speaker 8>as well, like one hundred and half twenty nine.

1630
01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:51.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, don't they always have a really high IQ? Most

1631
01:36:51.199 --> 01:36:53.560
<v Speaker 6>serial killers have. I think high IQ.

1632
01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:58.760
<v Speaker 7>I think that's the that's that's what they look for.

1633
01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:01.279
<v Speaker 7>I think that's their preference. I think John Wayne Gacy

1634
01:37:01.439 --> 01:37:02.760
<v Speaker 7>was halfway retarded.

1635
01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I think that's IQ.

1636
01:37:06.319 --> 01:37:09.199
<v Speaker 7>Yeah. Well, you know, there's been a couple where I've

1637
01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:13.279
<v Speaker 7>been like, were you like the last pick? You know,

1638
01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:16.880
<v Speaker 7>like everybody else you know, and it's like I have

1639
01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:18.640
<v Speaker 7>to pick what I guess I'll take.

1640
01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:22.159
<v Speaker 8>That's class D.

1641
01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:29.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, class D right, yes, yes, yes, There's been a

1642
01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:31.359
<v Speaker 7>couple of serial killers that have been like, how the

1643
01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:34.560
<v Speaker 7>fuck did you even murder anybody? You're so stupid.

1644
01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:40.920
<v Speaker 6>It would be like setting apex predators in that they

1645
01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:46.720
<v Speaker 6>are not necessarily killing for survival, they're killing just to kill.

1646
01:37:47.239 --> 01:37:50.279
<v Speaker 6>And the fact that they are high IQ. That that

1647
01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:54.079
<v Speaker 6>pretty much, I mean, I would think constitutes apex predator predation.

1648
01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:58.800
<v Speaker 7>Well, you know who else kind of fits this mold.

1649
01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:01.159
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if you guys have heard of him,

1650
01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:06.079
<v Speaker 7>but his name was HERB. Baumeister, and he took a

1651
01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:08.720
<v Speaker 7>bunch of he was gay serial killer that took a

1652
01:38:08.720 --> 01:38:12.800
<v Speaker 7>bunch of guys back to his house and said, you know,

1653
01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:14.760
<v Speaker 7>I'll give you some drinks and you can swim in

1654
01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:17.159
<v Speaker 7>my indoor swimming pool, and then he would drown him

1655
01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:19.840
<v Speaker 7>in the pool and do all kinds of weird stuff

1656
01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:24.439
<v Speaker 7>to him. William Ramsey actually talks about her Bowmeister because

1657
01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:27.319
<v Speaker 7>he's another one that fits the program to kill model.

1658
01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:30.359
<v Speaker 7>And I'm pretty sure he has a military background. I'm

1659
01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:33.479
<v Speaker 7>not sure if he's from California, but he said to

1660
01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:37.520
<v Speaker 7>be like genius level IQ type of guy. He was

1661
01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:41.439
<v Speaker 7>a family man, had kids on the side, was a

1662
01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:45.800
<v Speaker 7>gay serial killer. Like where do they where do they

1663
01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:48.079
<v Speaker 7>find these guys? Like literally.

1664
01:38:51.520 --> 01:38:52.159
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy.

1665
01:38:53.319 --> 01:38:59.079
<v Speaker 6>Yeah to Briggs question, I think prior to nineteen forties,

1666
01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:02.880
<v Speaker 6>think if we were a serial killer, you're probably organic

1667
01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:06.119
<v Speaker 6>a part. But after that I think you were astroturfed

1668
01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:10.920
<v Speaker 6>potential to be. That's that's what I think.

1669
01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:16.479
<v Speaker 7>Well, so, Government She's Anus Killer is still alive. Actually

1670
01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:19.800
<v Speaker 7>he's on death row. If you want to write him

1671
01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:24.439
<v Speaker 7>a letter, tell him you you know, tell tell him

1672
01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:28.039
<v Speaker 7>you listen to a rather interesting episode about him on

1673
01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:35.520
<v Speaker 7>a podcast and just wanted to know. I heard you

1674
01:39:35.560 --> 01:39:39.159
<v Speaker 7>were the Government She's Anus Killer. Please let me know

1675
01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:42.239
<v Speaker 7>if you are c I a or and ormentary and candidate.

1676
01:39:42.439 --> 01:39:45.880
<v Speaker 7>Thank you, and you know, we'll see before the grim

1677
01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:48.560
<v Speaker 7>Reaper comes for him on death row if he ever

1678
01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:51.159
<v Speaker 7>fesses up. He still says he has no memory of

1679
01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:54.279
<v Speaker 7>his crimes. Yeah, I mean that, that to me is

1680
01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:59.600
<v Speaker 7>really interesting. If that's true and he has no memory

1681
01:39:59.640 --> 01:40:02.560
<v Speaker 7>of doing any of that's like, what type of deep

1682
01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:07.319
<v Speaker 7>programming shit are you on that you just don't remember?

1683
01:40:07.319 --> 01:40:09.760
<v Speaker 7>And he will stand by that that he just doesn't

1684
01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:13.159
<v Speaker 7>remember any of it.

1685
01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>So I find it crazy too that the most active

1686
01:40:16.119 --> 01:40:20.479
<v Speaker 1>period of serial killers in the US is between nineteen

1687
01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>seventies and nineteen nineties. Specifically, the eighties saw the highest

1688
01:40:26.319 --> 01:40:27.880
<v Speaker 1>number of active serial killers.

1689
01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:32.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean I think were they?

1690
01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:34.319
<v Speaker 6>I think so?

1691
01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>And some of the most well known serial killers operated

1692
01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:44.640
<v Speaker 1>during peak period, Bundy Dahmer, Miras Kasey Kemper, all these

1693
01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:47.439
<v Speaker 1>guys crazy.

1694
01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:50.479
<v Speaker 10>Don't forget the research into a lady in there.

1695
01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:58.079
<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, yeah, that's another one, the guy that made

1696
01:40:58.239 --> 01:41:02.640
<v Speaker 7>lamps out of people's Uhed Dean for skins and shit,

1697
01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:06.279
<v Speaker 7>Yeah Ed Dean. Yeah, they're supposed to be doing a

1698
01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:10.640
<v Speaker 7>Netflix documentary thing on that guy, with the same guy

1699
01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:15.520
<v Speaker 7>that did Dahmer, Evan Peters. I think he's supposed to

1700
01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:18.039
<v Speaker 7>be playing ed Gian in an upcoming You know, it's

1701
01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:22.479
<v Speaker 7>always like the ones that gets face realized he is fucked,

1702
01:41:22.560 --> 01:41:23.439
<v Speaker 7>But in.

1703
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:28.239
<v Speaker 9>My opinion, that guy Psyche is gone, like from him

1704
01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:32.760
<v Speaker 9>being on American Horror Story to portraying all the characters

1705
01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:36.520
<v Speaker 9>he did on there than Dohmer. Now this, yeah, man,

1706
01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:37.439
<v Speaker 9>that guy's cooked.

1707
01:41:38.359 --> 01:41:40.520
<v Speaker 7>He probably is. But I just think there's got to

1708
01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:42.119
<v Speaker 7>be more to this story if they want to make

1709
01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:45.399
<v Speaker 7>a docuseries on Netflix about it, just like The Menindas Brothers,

1710
01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:47.079
<v Speaker 7>there's more to that story.

1711
01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Too, And it's crazy. Like the seventies you have three

1712
01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>hundred individuals active serial killers, right yeah, the eighties was

1713
01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty and then from by the twenty

1714
01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:06.319
<v Speaker 1>tens you were down to fifty. And that's I mean,

1715
01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:10.279
<v Speaker 1>of course these numbers are you know what what they what?

1716
01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:11.720
<v Speaker 1>They they think they know?

1717
01:42:12.279 --> 01:42:12.479
<v Speaker 4>Right?

1718
01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:13.199
<v Speaker 11>What?

1719
01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:17.640
<v Speaker 1>A decline? That's insane, Like I mean, it just shows

1720
01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:20.800
<v Speaker 1>what was happening exactly. And that's what I'm saying.

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01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:22.319
<v Speaker 7>Mastered it and they moved on.

1722
01:42:22.920 --> 01:42:26.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, yeah, I.

1723
01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:28.680
<v Speaker 7>Mean one hundred. I think I think the sixties were

1724
01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:32.199
<v Speaker 7>the training wheels. The eighties were like boom, now we

1725
01:42:32.319 --> 01:42:34.720
<v Speaker 7>really got it, and then it was like, okay, now

1726
01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:37.479
<v Speaker 7>now that we've you know, mastered this, let's move on

1727
01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:39.800
<v Speaker 7>to new Yeah, bigger and better things.

1728
01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, you could have gone to different countries.

1729
01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:46.399
<v Speaker 8>Too, just saying right that, and I think they've taken

1730
01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:49.239
<v Speaker 8>their sacrifices up to a whole new scale.

1731
01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:54.199
<v Speaker 2>There you go, different, different road.

1732
01:42:56.199 --> 01:43:02.479
<v Speaker 7>With the mass murder, Sandy Hook and call them bye.

1733
01:43:04.319 --> 01:43:08.159
<v Speaker 7>You know. Oh, they could have also diverted their attention

1734
01:43:08.319 --> 01:43:12.840
<v Speaker 7>to these weird cult scenes. We got Waco, we got

1735
01:43:13.159 --> 01:43:16.039
<v Speaker 7>I mean so yeah, after the eighties, things started to

1736
01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:19.640
<v Speaker 7>look a little bit different, but the body count didn't change.

1737
01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:21.359
<v Speaker 2>I was even gonna say, I wonder if some of

1738
01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:23.960
<v Speaker 2>the serial killers have higher body counts near the end,

1739
01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:24.840
<v Speaker 2>but less of them.

1740
01:43:25.560 --> 01:43:30.319
<v Speaker 1>And also we got into two giant wars. Oh yes,

1741
01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:36.840
<v Speaker 1>yeh ye talk about body counts. I'm not saying our

1742
01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:38.000
<v Speaker 1>guys necessarily either.

1743
01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:40.680
<v Speaker 6>How much of it has gone online? And you don't know?

1744
01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:47.199
<v Speaker 8>Yeah right, you know, well yeah we know every media

1745
01:43:47.279 --> 01:43:51.600
<v Speaker 8>tells us, so if it's not being reported, you wouldn't

1746
01:43:51.640 --> 01:43:53.079
<v Speaker 8>know unless you know where to look.

1747
01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:57.159
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and I oh, go ahead, Lisa.

1748
01:43:57.720 --> 01:44:00.479
<v Speaker 6>Just real quick, sorry, Julia, I don't can't sorry about

1749
01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:04.760
<v Speaker 6>interrupting the whole episode. Just it's so exciting. The entire

1750
01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:06.720
<v Speaker 6>the entire content is just so exciting.

1751
01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:10.960
<v Speaker 7>I loved but everything you said, how they all have

1752
01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:11.960
<v Speaker 7>military background.

1753
01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:14.840
<v Speaker 6>The commonality with the serial killers at this timeframe, all

1754
01:44:14.880 --> 01:44:17.680
<v Speaker 6>have commonality of being in the military. If we look

1755
01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:20.640
<v Speaker 6>at these mass murderers, especially some of the people that

1756
01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:23.600
<v Speaker 6>are involved with with big shootings and what have you,

1757
01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:27.600
<v Speaker 6>they all wore under surveillance of FBI, every single one

1758
01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:30.840
<v Speaker 6>of them. So there is a commonality with some of

1759
01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:35.600
<v Speaker 6>these signatures that there there's a thread, right, So it's

1760
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:38.359
<v Speaker 6>almost like it has the signature that you're looking for

1761
01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:41.680
<v Speaker 6>in the serial killers or these mass murderers. Probably is

1762
01:44:41.760 --> 01:44:44.960
<v Speaker 6>behind the payroll.

1763
01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:47.760
<v Speaker 2>That thread run through the cults too. Oh, the FBI

1764
01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:50.319
<v Speaker 2>was watching, I was watching.

1765
01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:53.239
<v Speaker 6>Where are their pensions coming from?

1766
01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:59.760
<v Speaker 7>Yes, Lisa, definitely, I mean you nailed it. Where is

1767
01:44:59.800 --> 01:45:03.720
<v Speaker 7>the money? And like some of this stuff, the med

1768
01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:04.600
<v Speaker 7>a taken?

1769
01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:08.079
<v Speaker 9>Well, they have a job and then a lot a

1770
01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:11.039
<v Speaker 9>lot of these feds end up going missing later committing

1771
01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:17.880
<v Speaker 9>suicide or you know that it's uh, I don't know, yeah, okay, Well, and.

1772
01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:20.880
<v Speaker 7>It's like how did they if you really look back

1773
01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:23.720
<v Speaker 7>in time, it's like how did they sustain their lifestyle?

1774
01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:26.720
<v Speaker 7>Because Jeffrey Dahmer was supposed to have worked at like

1775
01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:31.880
<v Speaker 7>a chocolate factory during the day, and like, I had

1776
01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:34.720
<v Speaker 7>all this money to buy five gallon drums of acid,

1777
01:45:34.880 --> 01:45:37.800
<v Speaker 7>power tools, rent for his apartment, and do all these

1778
01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:41.439
<v Speaker 7>He's working part time at a fucking chocolate factory. He's

1779
01:45:41.479 --> 01:45:45.680
<v Speaker 7>taken dudes out to bars every single night. He's got

1780
01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:48.560
<v Speaker 7>money for drugs, He's got money for alcohol. He's got

1781
01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:49.720
<v Speaker 7>It's like, who's.

1782
01:45:49.479 --> 01:45:52.640
<v Speaker 9>Something with Columbine and all the guns at Columbine. It's like,

1783
01:45:52.720 --> 01:45:54.520
<v Speaker 9>how did those kids get those guns? You know what

1784
01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:57.880
<v Speaker 9>I mean? And all that AMMO the like, No, it

1785
01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:00.600
<v Speaker 9>was given to them, it has.

1786
01:46:00.439 --> 01:46:03.199
<v Speaker 7>To be right. It's like, where are they getting the

1787
01:46:03.279 --> 01:46:04.159
<v Speaker 7>fucking funds?

1788
01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know how truthful this is. I mean,

1789
01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'd have to ask somebody that was in

1790
01:46:08.840 --> 01:46:11.720
<v Speaker 2>the Vietnam War. But when you watch it portrayed on

1791
01:46:11.880 --> 01:46:15.439
<v Speaker 2>TV or in the movies, you see these people living

1792
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:18.319
<v Speaker 2>in like mud huts, but yet they're like shooting helicopters.

1793
01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:20.479
<v Speaker 2>Don Who the how the fuck did you even get

1794
01:46:20.479 --> 01:46:21.520
<v Speaker 2>those weapons?

1795
01:46:22.520 --> 01:46:22.800
<v Speaker 9>Right?

1796
01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Someone gave it to him obviously. If that's the case,

1797
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:30.039
<v Speaker 2>somebody funded these people too. I mean, all you do

1798
01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:32.159
<v Speaker 2>is you drop off a creative fucking shit. Somebody's gonna

1799
01:46:32.159 --> 01:46:35.000
<v Speaker 2>start touching with him, playing with it. Just do have

1800
01:46:35.079 --> 01:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>a helicopter, Just drop it in the village.

1801
01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:40.880
<v Speaker 7>There you go have fun, right or I mean it's like,

1802
01:46:41.039 --> 01:46:44.000
<v Speaker 7>do you guys ever remember Ted Bundy ever having a

1803
01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:47.239
<v Speaker 7>job ever? Like, did it ever say? He worked part

1804
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:51.560
<v Speaker 7>time at Wendy's. He shined shoes at a train station, Like,

1805
01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:54.079
<v Speaker 7>did he ever have a fucking job ever? But he's

1806
01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:57.119
<v Speaker 7>able to buy train and plane tickets to Florida, He's

1807
01:46:57.159 --> 01:47:04.960
<v Speaker 7>able to live in multiple areas of the US, Florida, Oregon, Washington, Colorado.

1808
01:47:05.239 --> 01:47:08.880
<v Speaker 7>He's always on the move. He's always staying at luxury

1809
01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:10.119
<v Speaker 7>hotels and shit.

1810
01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:15.760
<v Speaker 9>About them that he came from the family, that Bundy family,

1811
01:47:17.439 --> 01:47:22.159
<v Speaker 9>you know, which is a well known American Illuminati bloodline.

1812
01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:26.640
<v Speaker 9>So yeah, yeah, yeah.

1813
01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:29.600
<v Speaker 7>His dad was definitely military, so maybe.

1814
01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:31.239
<v Speaker 9>He did come from that bloodline and they were just

1815
01:47:31.279 --> 01:47:34.000
<v Speaker 9>well to do but still getting funded.

1816
01:47:34.399 --> 01:47:38.760
<v Speaker 7>You know, somebody's funding this ship, somebody's given them stuff.

1817
01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:42.680
<v Speaker 7>I mean, the second I see a Netflix movie or

1818
01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:45.920
<v Speaker 7>documentary pop up about a serial killer, I immediately want

1819
01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:48.199
<v Speaker 7>to start looking into them because it's like, oh, this

1820
01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:51.039
<v Speaker 7>is one of yours, right, this is the this is

1821
01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:53.199
<v Speaker 7>one of the it's like it kind of makes me

1822
01:47:53.239 --> 01:47:56.039
<v Speaker 7>want to look at Scott Peterson. It kind of makes

1823
01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:58.600
<v Speaker 7>me want to look at you know. I talked to

1824
01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:02.159
<v Speaker 7>JJ about o J and I learned a lot of

1825
01:48:02.199 --> 01:48:07.760
<v Speaker 7>interesting information because it's like these ones that get propped up. Please,

1826
01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:09.960
<v Speaker 7>for the love of God, look into him, because you

1827
01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.800
<v Speaker 7>will find stuff that will rock your fucking world. It

1828
01:48:12.880 --> 01:48:17.279
<v Speaker 7>will make you look at everything differently. And it's like

1829
01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:21.279
<v Speaker 7>they got Zach Effron to play Ted Bundy, like really

1830
01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:25.159
<v Speaker 7>like one of the sexiest guys of all time, so

1831
01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:29.960
<v Speaker 7>you fan what fantasize about him. It's a weird job.

1832
01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:35.640
<v Speaker 7>He like there's like a sexualization to it though, right,

1833
01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:38.880
<v Speaker 7>like why would you pick such a handsome man to

1834
01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:39.600
<v Speaker 7>put And.

1835
01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:42.560
<v Speaker 9>It was wasn't Bundy. He's supposed to be like handsome

1836
01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:46.680
<v Speaker 9>or whatever, like that era or whatever.

1837
01:48:47.720 --> 01:48:49.239
<v Speaker 7>He would he wouldn't know, Zach Effron.

1838
01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:49.680
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1839
01:48:49.720 --> 01:48:51.479
<v Speaker 2>It was weird though. Like now when you want to

1840
01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:53.640
<v Speaker 2>get into like the true crimeer nowadays, you had like

1841
01:48:53.880 --> 01:48:57.439
<v Speaker 2>supposedly mad crazy chicks are going nuts for fucking kid

1842
01:48:57.439 --> 01:48:59.479
<v Speaker 2>from Idaho four and it's like, Yo, that dude was

1843
01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:00.760
<v Speaker 2>a fucking fucked up.

1844
01:49:00.720 --> 01:49:05.960
<v Speaker 7>Looking for people who said the Columbine One of the

1845
01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:09.880
<v Speaker 7>Columbine was attractive. Am I wrong about that?

1846
01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:15.199
<v Speaker 2>People who are attracted to sick folks? Well, it could

1847
01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:17.439
<v Speaker 2>really mean is that just Humanity's at that point right

1848
01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:21.119
<v Speaker 2>now there's women who get off on right and it's.

1849
01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:23.880
<v Speaker 8>Just become so desensitized. And I think I used to

1850
01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:26.079
<v Speaker 8>be really big into the true crime. I used to

1851
01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:28.439
<v Speaker 8>love listening to true crime podcasts, and I think I

1852
01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:30.000
<v Speaker 8>just got to this point where I'm like, I just

1853
01:49:30.039 --> 01:49:34.039
<v Speaker 8>can't consume it as much anymore, looking into such a

1854
01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:37.439
<v Speaker 8>dark psyche like that, And it's like, you're right, all

1855
01:49:37.479 --> 01:49:39.720
<v Speaker 8>of these crime shows are so mass produced.

1856
01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:43.520
<v Speaker 10>It's these documentaries and people like drool over it and

1857
01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:45.640
<v Speaker 10>feed over it, and it's kind of I've gotten to

1858
01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:46.359
<v Speaker 10>a point now.

1859
01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:49.239
<v Speaker 8>Where I'm kind of disgusted by it, Like how people

1860
01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:53.640
<v Speaker 8>get so excited over I know, you're talking about the

1861
01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:55.520
<v Speaker 8>guy who remember the guy who killed his family? I

1862
01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:57.439
<v Speaker 8>think can't remember his name, and then he had that

1863
01:49:57.479 --> 01:50:00.439
<v Speaker 8>girlfriend on the side and he literally killed his baby girls.

1864
01:50:00.199 --> 01:50:05.359
<v Speaker 8>Uh in the oil fields, Chris Chris Watts, He's another

1865
01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:08.159
<v Speaker 8>one of those women go crazy over.

1866
01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:10.520
<v Speaker 10>And I just think that the way that true crime

1867
01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:14.199
<v Speaker 10>is pushed out in this murder and you know, just

1868
01:50:14.279 --> 01:50:15.880
<v Speaker 10>all this girls, it's just gross.

1869
01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:19.640
<v Speaker 1>How much you start idolizes They idolized it.

1870
01:50:20.239 --> 01:50:24.680
<v Speaker 7>Yes, it idolizes it. And to me, like, I'm with

1871
01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:30.000
<v Speaker 7>because I used to I used to watch the crime shows.

1872
01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:33.920
<v Speaker 7>I used to listen to crime junkies podcasts. I used

1873
01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:36.359
<v Speaker 7>to listen to it. There was a girl that I

1874
01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:38.600
<v Speaker 7>used to follow on YouTube that would do her makeup

1875
01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:41.720
<v Speaker 7>and like talk about serial killers and ship She's real cute.

1876
01:50:42.680 --> 01:50:45.960
<v Speaker 7>But the problem is, it's like, and I don't want

1877
01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:48.119
<v Speaker 7>to sound like I'm better than anyone, but it's like,

1878
01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:51.760
<v Speaker 7>you're not giving people the full truth when you talk

1879
01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:55.039
<v Speaker 7>about this stuff. If you're not going to mention that

1880
01:50:55.159 --> 01:51:00.000
<v Speaker 7>these are most likely by design murderers who have been

1881
01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:05.520
<v Speaker 7>turned against their own people and created by secret military programs,

1882
01:51:05.560 --> 01:51:08.039
<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's like you're sensationalizing the death part and

1883
01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:11.279
<v Speaker 7>the murder part and the killer part, but you're not

1884
01:51:11.479 --> 01:51:17.199
<v Speaker 7>talking about where they came from or why they even exist.

1885
01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:23.199
<v Speaker 7>Because until like the sixties, nobody was worried about you know, hey,

1886
01:51:23.239 --> 01:51:25.239
<v Speaker 7>did you make sure the front door is locked? We

1887
01:51:25.239 --> 01:51:27.479
<v Speaker 7>don't want fucking Richard Ramirez to come in here and

1888
01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:32.760
<v Speaker 7>rape grandma, Like nobody was talking about that. So, I mean,

1889
01:51:32.840 --> 01:51:35.079
<v Speaker 7>if you're going to get into the true crime, you

1890
01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:40.159
<v Speaker 7>have to back it up with where it potentially came from.

1891
01:51:40.279 --> 01:51:43.359
<v Speaker 7>The whole serial killer movement. Much like the Laurel Canyons.

1892
01:51:43.960 --> 01:51:48.199
<v Speaker 7>It's a setup and you know we've we've fallen for

1893
01:51:48.239 --> 01:51:49.439
<v Speaker 7>it totally.

1894
01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:53.119
<v Speaker 6>And how much money it has generated as a genre.

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<v Speaker 12>Yes, and energy, oh, energy, you know, there's even I've

1896
01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:05.079
<v Speaker 12>even mentioned this with Uh it's about with Lisa.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, just talking about the podcast in general, just like

1898
01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:10.520
<v Speaker 2>sometimes like either the show not going through so much

1899
01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:13.079
<v Speaker 2>growing pains, but maybe like me deciding like what do

1900
01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:15.359
<v Speaker 2>I really want to do? What do I enjoy doing?

1901
01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:17.560
<v Speaker 2>And I had said at one point, even with the

1902
01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:21.279
<v Speaker 2>True Crime, I said, it's almost like uncomfortable because it's

1903
01:52:21.319 --> 01:52:23.800
<v Speaker 2>like you are kind of like pimping out, like real

1904
01:52:23.880 --> 01:52:28.600
<v Speaker 2>fucked up shit, and like at one point, yeah, and

1905
01:52:28.640 --> 01:52:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I was like and at one point, like when the

1906
01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:34.119
<v Speaker 2>show first started, that was a different co host that

1907
01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:36.640
<v Speaker 2>I had, and they were very much geared to like

1908
01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:40.840
<v Speaker 2>always covering pedophilia shit, you know, very like hashtag save

1909
01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:44.199
<v Speaker 2>the children type dude. And even that ship was sorry

1910
01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:45.439
<v Speaker 2>to get to me because I was like, oh, this

1911
01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:49.680
<v Speaker 2>is just like fucking like something like yeah, it's like yo,

1912
01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:51.720
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not for nothing, but I was just like

1913
01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:53.920
<v Speaker 2>putting this ship out. I'm gonna fucking break the internet

1914
01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:55.720
<v Speaker 2>and stop it from happening, Like what the fuck? Like,

1915
01:52:55.760 --> 01:52:57.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Just after a while, it's like this

1916
01:52:57.479 --> 01:53:01.000
<v Speaker 2>is just weird and just that crime. It's just like

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01:53:01.039 --> 01:53:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I kind of wanted. I mean, I know we're doing

1918
01:53:02.680 --> 01:53:04.560
<v Speaker 2>a true crime now, but like if people were to

1919
01:53:04.600 --> 01:53:07.279
<v Speaker 2>kind of look at how the show was in the beginning, uh,

1920
01:53:07.520 --> 01:53:09.319
<v Speaker 2>I could definitely see that it definitely changed with that.

1921
01:53:09.439 --> 01:53:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like a little too much. I

1922
01:53:11.159 --> 01:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>just looked at it as kind of like a little weird. Yeah,

1923
01:53:14.079 --> 01:53:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and I just hate I'm gonna be totally honored with

1924
01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:19.279
<v Speaker 2>you people that are huge into both. I'm just throwing

1925
01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:21.560
<v Speaker 2>it out there every cult minded and that sort of

1926
01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:23.439
<v Speaker 2>get me wounded out to just be totally.

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<v Speaker 9>Honestly, Yeah, I think it's good to take it in

1928
01:53:26.199 --> 01:53:28.840
<v Speaker 9>small doses. That's why, you know, my show is not

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01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:31.479
<v Speaker 9>mainly about true crime or the pair of political realm,

1930
01:53:31.560 --> 01:53:34.039
<v Speaker 9>but I still you know, I produce a show every

1931
01:53:34.079 --> 01:53:38.960
<v Speaker 9>Tuesday that dives into Mark Mark newtrou and the process

1932
01:53:39.199 --> 01:53:42.079
<v Speaker 9>and Temple is city, you know, so I get my

1933
01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:45.840
<v Speaker 9>feel of all that stuff, but yeah, I feel you

1934
01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:49.960
<v Speaker 9>on just like the constant consuming of it. I couldn't

1935
01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:52.279
<v Speaker 9>do it and I couldn't talk about it like that either.

1936
01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Well even for me, it was just like even for

1937
01:53:54.960 --> 01:53:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing of the show, it's like I'm like,

1938
01:53:56.800 --> 01:53:59.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to actually pedal fear. I'm actually trying

1939
01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:02.039
<v Speaker 2>to pedal like you, not so much knowledge but information.

1940
01:54:02.479 --> 01:54:04.439
<v Speaker 2>And it's like all I'm doing is just handing fear

1941
01:54:04.479 --> 01:54:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and hate to my listeners. When I cover that stuff

1942
01:54:06.840 --> 01:54:10.159
<v Speaker 2>over and over and over, it okay for me.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the problem with presenting it in certain ways

1944
01:54:14.119 --> 01:54:17.520
<v Speaker 7>is that it's like Nick and Jules was saying, it

1945
01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:22.760
<v Speaker 7>can almost drain you to a certain degree if you

1946
01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:25.880
<v Speaker 7>present it in certain ways. I like to present it

1947
01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:29.680
<v Speaker 7>in a way that I would feel like it's more

1948
01:54:29.720 --> 01:54:33.159
<v Speaker 7>empowering to the listener, Like, can you believe they've ran

1949
01:54:33.239 --> 01:54:36.319
<v Speaker 7>this program on us? Can you believe the connections between

1950
01:54:36.359 --> 01:54:40.199
<v Speaker 7>these guys. This isn't on accident. There's not random crazy

1951
01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:43.279
<v Speaker 7>people that are going to come back with your kids, right,

1952
01:54:43.439 --> 01:54:46.840
<v Speaker 7>It's like they are running game on us and we

1953
01:54:46.920 --> 01:54:48.840
<v Speaker 7>need to wake up to the fact that there is

1954
01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:51.600
<v Speaker 7>not random serial killers in your neighborhood that are going

1955
01:54:51.680 --> 01:54:53.560
<v Speaker 7>to come and kill you in your fucking house with

1956
01:54:53.600 --> 01:54:54.319
<v Speaker 7>your kids.

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01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:57.720
<v Speaker 9>There's unless they're there, you know, unless.

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01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:00.439
<v Speaker 7>But you look at the victims most of the the time,

1959
01:55:00.680 --> 01:55:05.439
<v Speaker 7>they're they're chosen for a reason. Even with the Manson murders,

1960
01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:09.680
<v Speaker 7>Sharon Tate and all those people were chosen for a reason,

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01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:10.199
<v Speaker 7>you know.

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01:55:10.279 --> 01:55:14.359
<v Speaker 9>And it's like, yeah, that that was a sacrifice right there,

1963
01:55:14.399 --> 01:55:20.119
<v Speaker 9>because wasn't Polanski shooting Rosemary's baby at the time. Yeah,

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01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:21.560
<v Speaker 9>but there is something there.

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<v Speaker 7>I was just gonna say, for me, I think it's

1966
01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:31.239
<v Speaker 7>empowering to talk about the programmed aspect of it, because

1967
01:55:31.279 --> 01:55:33.079
<v Speaker 7>at the end of the day, there are serial killer

1968
01:55:33.159 --> 01:55:37.800
<v Speaker 7>shirt Most of them are fucking psychos that have been

1969
01:55:38.439 --> 01:55:41.319
<v Speaker 7>ran through some kind of a program. A lot of

1970
01:55:41.319 --> 01:55:45.960
<v Speaker 7>the victims, a lot of this stuff is staged. Even yeah,

1971
01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:50.800
<v Speaker 7>you know, a lot of stuff is numbers are inflated,

1972
01:55:51.279 --> 01:55:55.680
<v Speaker 7>stuff gets there's crisis actors, there's you know. So when

1973
01:55:55.720 --> 01:55:57.479
<v Speaker 7>I talk about it, I like to come at it

1974
01:55:57.640 --> 01:56:00.439
<v Speaker 7>from an angle of yes, this stuff is real, it's

1975
01:56:00.479 --> 01:56:02.840
<v Speaker 7>not what you think it is. You got to look

1976
01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:06.479
<v Speaker 7>behind the scenes. Most of these people are connected and

1977
01:56:07.279 --> 01:56:09.439
<v Speaker 7>just be weary when you see something in the news,

1978
01:56:09.479 --> 01:56:12.039
<v Speaker 7>when you see a Netflix documentary, when you see something

1979
01:56:12.119 --> 01:56:14.840
<v Speaker 7>like this, you have to look in the background because

1980
01:56:14.880 --> 01:56:16.840
<v Speaker 7>when you do, it almost makes you feel better, like,

1981
01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:20.920
<v Speaker 7>ah shit, this is all like stage scripted, this is programmed,

1982
01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:25.359
<v Speaker 7>this is you know, it gives you back the uh

1983
01:56:26.079 --> 01:56:30.279
<v Speaker 7>discernment of is this scary or not? And most of

1984
01:56:30.319 --> 01:56:32.399
<v Speaker 7>the time it's not because it's like, oh, it's another

1985
01:56:32.399 --> 01:56:34.960
<v Speaker 7>fucking CIA program. Thanks guys, fuck you.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean it's always those guys.

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01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:40.000
<v Speaker 6>You know me.

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01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Even even like the last thing that I think that

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01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:46.359
<v Speaker 2>this show even covered, like true crime, like me and

1990
01:56:46.399 --> 01:56:49.399
<v Speaker 2>list I covered the Zizzians, And when we covered that,

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01:56:49.520 --> 01:56:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I think we might have spent a total like four

1992
01:56:51.680 --> 01:56:54.680
<v Speaker 2>minutes actually talking about what the fuck they did, and

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01:56:54.760 --> 01:56:58.199
<v Speaker 2>the whole other two hours was actually their connections all

1994
01:56:58.239 --> 01:57:05.119
<v Speaker 2>through AI and weird. There's something that's created this, see.

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01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:09.760
<v Speaker 6>The funding, the you know, how it's being propped up potentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is a little bit different too, and the

1997
01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:13.520
<v Speaker 2>way you cover it that way, I'm a little bit

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01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:16.359
<v Speaker 2>more comfortable with some people just I don't know, it's different.

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<v Speaker 6>And I don't know the way I mean it covers it.

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01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:20.840
<v Speaker 6>I absolutely love it, like it's.

2001
01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Very That's why it all the time now.

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01:57:23.800 --> 01:57:27.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, in that it's in depth, but it's not it's

2003
01:57:27.800 --> 01:57:30.920
<v Speaker 6>not heavy, yeah for sure. And I know, like the

2004
01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:32.960
<v Speaker 6>reason that I was very into true crime and I

2005
01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:35.880
<v Speaker 6>still am, I'll admit it, is that I have a

2006
01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:39.880
<v Speaker 6>hyper analytical brain that if it's not over analyzing and

2007
01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:42.560
<v Speaker 6>piecing and tearing apart things and putting them back together,

2008
01:57:42.920 --> 01:57:45.520
<v Speaker 6>I tend to go mad a little bit. And and

2009
01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:49.079
<v Speaker 6>so that kind of serves as an outlet as a puzzle, like, oh,

2010
01:57:49.119 --> 01:57:51.199
<v Speaker 6>there's this puzzle that in my brain can kind of

2011
01:57:51.239 --> 01:57:54.000
<v Speaker 6>work on in the background. But then when we started

2012
01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:56.800
<v Speaker 6>covering the Smiling Face killers and seeing how all of

2013
01:57:56.880 --> 01:58:00.880
<v Speaker 6>it was contrived and how multiple areas where there were

2014
01:58:01.319 --> 01:58:04.359
<v Speaker 6>corners or medical examiners not even investigating the case, I

2015
01:58:04.399 --> 01:58:07.600
<v Speaker 6>was like, this is this isn't even a real investigation.

2016
01:58:08.119 --> 01:58:10.560
<v Speaker 6>You start to loose my brain started to lose the

2017
01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:12.680
<v Speaker 6>ability to want to piece it all together because of

2018
01:58:12.720 --> 01:58:20.039
<v Speaker 6>evidence it was being presented was was manufactured. Almost. So yeah, definitely,

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01:58:20.399 --> 01:58:23.520
<v Speaker 6>definitely everything you saidually one hundred percent agree.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you, Lisa. I'm glad you can see it the

2021
01:58:26.119 --> 01:58:28.079
<v Speaker 7>same way too, because I think there's a lot of

2022
01:58:28.119 --> 01:58:33.520
<v Speaker 7>power and just knowledge, like make yourself aware of simple

2023
01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:38.600
<v Speaker 7>explanations for things. Don't make it like a crazy bunch

2024
01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:41.119
<v Speaker 7>of killers out there and you never know when one's

2025
01:58:41.159 --> 01:58:44.119
<v Speaker 7>going to strike and or if you're going to be like, yeah,

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01:58:44.159 --> 01:58:46.760
<v Speaker 7>I get it. There is crime. There are real rapists,

2027
01:58:46.800 --> 01:58:49.359
<v Speaker 7>there are real psychos out there. But the ones that

2028
01:58:49.399 --> 01:58:53.199
<v Speaker 7>get their own Hulu special I mean the ones that

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01:58:53.359 --> 01:58:58.039
<v Speaker 7>you know, you you check to make sure it's locked, it's.

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01:58:57.800 --> 01:58:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I think those were all for sure fake. I think

2031
01:58:59.680 --> 01:59:01.880
<v Speaker 2>those ways that they still drain and make money off

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01:59:01.920 --> 01:59:02.640
<v Speaker 2>of the fucking team.

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<v Speaker 7>It's part of the theater, just like politics are part

2034
01:59:08.600 --> 01:59:12.199
<v Speaker 7>of the theater, right, just like assassination attempts can be

2035
01:59:12.239 --> 01:59:16.279
<v Speaker 7>part of the theater. Just like I mean, it's all

2036
01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:20.199
<v Speaker 7>part of the theater. Just like as we were talking

2037
01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:22.640
<v Speaker 7>about with Lee Harvey Oswald a little bit ago, how

2038
01:59:22.680 --> 01:59:25.880
<v Speaker 7>he knew one of these serial killers, Patrick Kerney, and

2039
01:59:26.199 --> 01:59:29.159
<v Speaker 7>like we all know what happened with JFK and stuff

2040
01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:33.159
<v Speaker 7>like that, and it's like, dude, it's all part of

2041
01:59:33.279 --> 01:59:36.840
<v Speaker 7>the show. They all know each other, they all probably

2042
01:59:36.880 --> 01:59:40.920
<v Speaker 7>fucking hang out. This is not an accident, and you know,

2043
01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:43.319
<v Speaker 7>when you know shit like that, you start to feel

2044
01:59:43.359 --> 01:59:48.399
<v Speaker 7>better about Like, Okay, they're doing this intentionally to terrify people,

2045
01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:50.880
<v Speaker 7>and how about fuck you.

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01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:58.119
<v Speaker 1>But mine as if my notes say butthhole socks in it.

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01:59:58.119 --> 01:59:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a good freaking episode.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, I mean the next time, next time you

2049
02:00:06.760 --> 02:00:09.800
<v Speaker 7>see a body on the side of the road, make

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02:00:09.800 --> 02:00:12.880
<v Speaker 7>sure you check their behole for a sock, because Randy

2051
02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:16.600
<v Speaker 7>Craft is still alive and he could very easily escape

2052
02:00:16.600 --> 02:00:18.239
<v Speaker 7>prison and murder someone near you.

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02:00:20.880 --> 02:00:24.720
<v Speaker 1>All right, Uh I guess we realize that's the title

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02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:27.079
<v Speaker 1>of this episode, right, the whole sock.

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02:00:30.039 --> 02:00:33.920
<v Speaker 7>It's a good title, yeah, Randy Kraft Government cheese be

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02:00:34.079 --> 02:00:35.159
<v Speaker 7>whole sock killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, mm hmm oh damn. All right, Uh well, thank

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02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:43.920
<v Speaker 2>you very much, Julia. That was awesome as usual. That's

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02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:47.039
<v Speaker 2>why we love having you on for these Let everybody

2060
02:00:47.079 --> 02:00:49.039
<v Speaker 2>know where they can find allly your amazing stuff again.

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<v Speaker 7>Please, thanks Nick and thanks. I absolutely love tonight's show

2062
02:00:53.720 --> 02:00:57.800
<v Speaker 7>and everybody that was a part of the conversation. Matthew McConaughey,

2063
02:00:59.159 --> 02:01:04.720
<v Speaker 7>Bennett with this asmr voice broke amazing, Lisa always insightful,

2064
02:01:04.960 --> 02:01:08.560
<v Speaker 7>loved every minute of it. I have my own show

2065
02:01:08.640 --> 02:01:11.920
<v Speaker 7>it's called Cosmic Peach Podcast and it's available wherever you

2066
02:01:11.960 --> 02:01:17.119
<v Speaker 7>listen to podcasts. And I am in accult reject part time.

2067
02:01:17.800 --> 02:01:19.800
<v Speaker 7>Have a show once a week on the Cult of

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02:01:19.880 --> 02:01:24.760
<v Speaker 7>Conspiracy that you can check out on Saturdays. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I just I like having a good time working with

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<v Speaker 7>people having these type of conversations. It's just it's fun

2071
02:01:33.560 --> 02:01:39.760
<v Speaker 7>and entertaining but also informational. And thanks for having.

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<v Speaker 2>Me definitely, no, thank you for presenting it. I appreciate it.

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02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:46.439
<v Speaker 2>You know, when I let the other reject real quick

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02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:50.119
<v Speaker 2>plug plug theirselves as well, we'll go with Jewels real Quick.

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02:01:50.399 --> 02:01:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Let everybody know where they can find.

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<v Speaker 9>You, guys, another banger of a show, Nick. I appreciate

2077
02:01:57.760 --> 02:02:03.359
<v Speaker 9>you making me a part of this panel. Hopefully I

2078
02:02:03.399 --> 02:02:04.359
<v Speaker 9>can come on for more.

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02:02:04.600 --> 02:02:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you guys.

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<v Speaker 9>You can find me on Twitter, x whatever, at gray

2081
02:02:08.760 --> 02:02:13.800
<v Speaker 9>pilld Pod, Instagram, Great Pild Underscore podcast. I'm on Rumble, YouTube, Spotify,

2082
02:02:13.880 --> 02:02:18.079
<v Speaker 9>Apple Podcasts, all that good stuff, locals and Patreon. You

2083
02:02:18.079 --> 02:02:21.520
<v Speaker 9>can support me over there. Get a free sticker pack.

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<v Speaker 9>All the elohem etamologies go there. They drop there for

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<v Speaker 9>a week before they released into public. We do esotery

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<v Speaker 9>book reviews every Saturday Morning with Subliminal Messager. Now season

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<v Speaker 9>of the rat is joining us and those are Patreon exclusive,

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<v Speaker 9>as well as the Twin Peaks watch party that we

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<v Speaker 9>are doing right now, which may commence tonight, if not

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<v Speaker 9>here in the next couple of nights, I will let

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<v Speaker 9>y'all know. But yeah, Patreon dot com, Slash Gray Pill podcast,

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<v Speaker 9>and got nephylom Def Squad coming on tomorrow at one

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<v Speaker 9>thirty Central everyone, so you'll tune in. And then I

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<v Speaker 9>think Friday Night, Nick, I think we're going on with

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<v Speaker 9>Sunday Night Secret Society Hank and Chef, so it's gonna

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<v Speaker 9>be a banger of a swapcast. We'll have a bunch

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<v Speaker 9>of people in there, so y'all come hang out for

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<v Speaker 9>that as well, and go check out our episode of

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<v Speaker 9>All Yeah Already Dead last night if you haven't yet,

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<v Speaker 9>another banger so awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you guys, Thanks, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Bennett so so thanks for having me on. Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great. It was so much fun. Be holes

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<v Speaker 1>and all. You can find me at the Broadcasting Seeds

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<v Speaker 1>podcast broadcasting Seeds dot com or all the lovely you

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<v Speaker 1>know podcast players of your choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 9>I followed you over there by the way Benner, Thanks yeah, man, and.

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<v Speaker 7>A Bedtime Stories with Bennette.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you know I'm always looking to do another podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep enough and go ahead, Brock. Please let everybody know

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<v Speaker 2>what they can find your music show.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>I just want to thank you for having me on

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<v Speaker 8>and thank you Julia for presenting the topic. I think

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<v Speaker 8>you showed us tonight that the web is so much

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<v Speaker 8>wider than we thought and it goes deep.

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<v Speaker 10>But thank you again for having me on.

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<v Speaker 8>You can find my show Dark Florida wherever you get

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<v Speaker 8>your podcasts, and interact over on Instagram at Dark Florida Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Brook. I always appreciate you coming

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<v Speaker 2>on the show and lista not Alise Lisa the ocule

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<v Speaker 2>rejects demanded scientist, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you for inviting me, Julia amazing presentation always and

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<v Speaker 6>I know that you know we would don't. I want

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<v Speaker 6>to do more serial killers with you. I'm sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>just going to come out and say it. I love

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<v Speaker 6>the way you cover them. I love discussing them with you.

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<v Speaker 6>I would like for this entire paneletic stay exactly the

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<v Speaker 6>same when we discuss another serial killer, please please please,

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<v Speaker 6>and so I'm just going to put that out there.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you everyone. I very much enjoyed the discussion. And

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<v Speaker 6>the only thing I would like to plug is the

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<v Speaker 6>Cult Research Institute dot org where some of the rejects

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<v Speaker 6>have contributed in a literary form content to things that

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<v Speaker 6>have been discussed on the podcast or not. But it

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<v Speaker 6>supplies a lot of information, esoteric, ecoteric, what have you.

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<v Speaker 6>But please check us out there on a cult Research

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<v Speaker 6>Institute dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, Thank you very much, Lisa, and thank you everybody

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<v Speaker 2>again on the paddle. That was awesome. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>great chat, and thank you for everybody in the chat

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<v Speaker 2>as well. That's what's up. I saw a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people there in the YouTube chat from the beginning to end.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. That's why we go live and until

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<v Speaker 2>the next one. Everybody be well.

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<v Speaker 1>Later.

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<v Speaker 4>Whose eyes look into the darkness, find the blazing star,

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<v Speaker 4>focus on it and it become the eclipse. Don't feel

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<v Speaker 4>that the show begin

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<v Speaker 1>And death, you've the sh