Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the occult Rejects in this episode. We got
Speaker 2: myself obviously, and we got a couple of the rejects
Speaker 2: with us today. And we've got Bennett joining us from
Speaker 2: broadcasting Seeds. Uh today. Uh. I'll let everybody go around
Speaker 2: and introduce themselves. Lisa, what is going on? The mid scientist?
Speaker 4: How?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 6: How are you? I am excited at this. When you
Speaker 6: sent me the notification on the title, I was like,
Speaker 6: this is gonna be a killer episode. Can't wait.
Speaker 7: No pun intended, killer.
Speaker 6: Pun, totally intended. So I'm believing for our jul usually
Speaker 6: brings the heat. I love when she covers, especially serial
Speaker 6: killers or whatever. It's always a fun ride. So thank
Speaker 6: you so much for having me on and invite me on.
Speaker 2: Oh of course, thank you. I'm glad you can make it.
Speaker 2: And we got Brooke joining us as well tonight. What
Speaker 2: is going on?
Speaker 5: Hi?
Speaker 8: I'm happy to be here with the fellow rejects as well.
Speaker 8: I'm super excited to get into this topic.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely should be something something interesting. Just put the name.
Speaker 2: You're like, what's the fun? So awesome, and thank you
Speaker 2: very much for joining us. And we got Jewels from
Speaker 2: Great Pill Podcast. What is going on?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 9: What's going on?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 9: What's up? Everybody? Jewels the Great Pill Podcast. You probably
Speaker 9: see me on here a lot. I'm more into the
Speaker 9: occult esoteric realm of things, but I do love true
Speaker 9: crime and the pair of political so it's always fun
Speaker 9: to get in on these conversations. And I appreciate you
Speaker 9: invite me man, y'all go find me on Patreon on
Speaker 9: patreon dot com slash Grateful podcast. You get a free
Speaker 9: sticker pack hell and uh yeah.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Yeah, thank you very much for joining us. And yeah,
Speaker 2: for the other people who may not know who he
Speaker 2: is yet, I mean, even though he's been on the
Speaker 2: show a few times, he does cover occult stuff and
Speaker 2: he does like specific topics. We've had him on for
Speaker 2: one of them. I highly suggest to go check out
Speaker 2: his channel if you're into the eculty does have stuff
Speaker 2: that's worthy of listening to. So thank you very much
Speaker 2: for joining us, Jules, I appreciate it. And we got
Speaker 2: Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds. What is going on?
Speaker 4: My man?
Speaker 2: I'm so happy you were able to join us tonight.
Speaker 1: How how is everybody. I appreciate you having me on again.
Speaker 1: Bennett Tanton from Broadcasting Seeds Broadcasting Seeds dot Com. I
Speaker 1: pretty much talk about everything in the highest strangeness realm
Speaker 1: from and I would include true crime in that too,
Speaker 1: because some of that shit gets freaky. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me on, and uh, it's a
Speaker 1: pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2: No, of course, no, thank you very much. I was
Speaker 2: just on your show recently. I had a blast, so
Speaker 2: I'm happy to have you. Hell yeah, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: good chat. Good chat. And finally to the guests of
Speaker 2: the hour, hour and a half, Julia from Cosmic Peach,
Speaker 2: what is going on?
Speaker 4: Julia?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 7: What's up? Nick? I'm so excited for this one. Thanks
Speaker 7: for having me on to present this. It's going to
Speaker 7: be a blast. And obviously I've covered similar topics like
Speaker 7: this before on Occult Rejects, as far as the program
Speaker 7: Serial Killers and the like, but uh, this one I
Speaker 7: found on my own. This one did not come from
Speaker 7: the program to Kill book. But I feel like if
Speaker 7: David McGowan would have known about this guy, he would
Speaker 7: have been in the book because damn, you know, there
Speaker 7: is a lot of connections with this guy to the
Speaker 7: whole program to kill Blueprint, and you'll kind see that
Speaker 7: as as the presentation moves along. But so you look
Speaker 7: at this Bennett first comment of the night s ASM
Speaker 7: mar channel. They want you to read them bedtime stories.
Speaker 1: I was I was always I've always been told that
Speaker 1: I should be doing a bedtime stories with uncle Bennett.
Speaker 7: So we have we have jewels over here. Sounds like
Speaker 7: fucking Matthew McConaughey and big be reading kids bedtime stories
Speaker 7: ghost bedtime stories. This is gonna be an interesting This
Speaker 7: is gonna be a really good show. I already have
Speaker 7: a feeling already.
Speaker 1: It was a dark and stormy night.
Speaker 9: That's not the first time I've heard that.
Speaker 7: But yeah, so obviously I want you guys to bust
Speaker 7: in if you have any questions or anything like that,
Speaker 7: and or if you I mean, are you guys familiar
Speaker 7: with this guy at all? Randy Kraft, have you heard
Speaker 7: about him? Do you know what he did? Anything?
Speaker 1: I know? Yeah, he wrote Bennett, Yeah, like legit. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: part of it is because I was in the Marines
Speaker 1: and he killed a whole bunch of Marines. So oh
Speaker 1: that's how I.
Speaker 8: Know Well, when I saw the topic for the show,
Speaker 8: I did research thinking we were going to be talking
Speaker 8: about the government cheese stores.
Speaker 2: So no, yeah, that's what I was hoping for too.
Speaker 2: Even when I made the thumbnail of it was like yo, chat,
Speaker 2: GPD couldn't throw fucking cheese in the picture.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, I always get pissed off because a
Speaker 7: lot like what's talked about in Program to Kill is
Speaker 7: how these guys get these like super Bitch and monikers
Speaker 7: like Green River Killer, hill Side Strangler, BTK, Buying, Torture Killed,
Speaker 7: and they go down as like these mega villains and histories,
Speaker 7: you know, deadly at crime and all that. They almost
Speaker 7: get like sensationalized and almost like they're a celebrity or
Speaker 7: something because they get these like the Zodiac Killer and
Speaker 7: shit like that. So Randy Craft is actually known by
Speaker 7: many things. He's known as the Scorecard Killer and the
Speaker 7: Southern California Strangler. But I gave him my own moniker
Speaker 7: because I think, obviously, if you have a last name
Speaker 7: like Craft and you are in the Army, I think
Speaker 7: air Force. Actually he's in the Air Force. His last
Speaker 7: name is Craft, and he's a piece of human dog shit,
Speaker 7: and so he deserves to have a ridiculous moniker because
Speaker 7: he's a ridiculous person, and so I named him the
Speaker 7: Government cheese Killer because yeah, fuck this guy. He doesn't
Speaker 7: get to go down as like history's mega villain. In
Speaker 7: my opinion, he just doesn't like this. Some of the stuff.
Speaker 7: It is so repulsive. It was hard for me to
Speaker 7: almost get through the research because it was turning my
Speaker 7: stomach like inside out, and I couldn't believe I had
Speaker 7: never heard of this guy before. You hear about all
Speaker 7: of like the top dogs like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy,
Speaker 7: the Zodiac, that those are all infamous and everybody knows
Speaker 7: about him. But my husband was listening to this podcast
Speaker 7: the other day and they were talking about Randy Kraft
Speaker 7: and like all this stuff he did, and I was like,
Speaker 7: who the fuck is this guy? And then you look
Speaker 7: at his crimes and you're like, what the actual fuck
Speaker 7: is this? You know, it's it deserves definitely its own episode.
Speaker 7: But at the end of this, I'm actually going to
Speaker 7: show you how he could have been possibly confused for
Speaker 7: like three other guys who were doing the same thing
Speaker 7: around the same time, and whether or not they knew
Speaker 7: about each other. Remains a mystery, but it just seems
Speaker 7: odd that three serial killers would be in the same area,
Speaker 7: perpetrating almost identical crimes to each other, all in the
Speaker 7: southern California area, and not know about each other. It
Speaker 7: just seems a little bit too much for coincidence in
Speaker 7: my opinion. But yeah, did you guys have any questions
Speaker 7: about this guy before we get started?
Speaker 8: I just want to say I like that you gave
Speaker 8: him a crappy name to go with it, because it
Speaker 8: kind of reminds me a btk. He wanted to be
Speaker 8: called something cool. He wanted that notoriety.
Speaker 10: And you're right, they just don't deserve it.
Speaker 7: They don't, right, Thank you, Broke. It's like you don't
Speaker 7: get to go down as like buying torture killed. Did
Speaker 7: you see that guy? First off, his name is fucking Dennis.
Speaker 7: His name is Dennis, and he looks like one. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he does look like a Dennis. And he wore these
Speaker 7: fucking huge ass eighties dad glasses and he like helped
Speaker 7: out at his church's youth group or something like that.
Speaker 7: If you saw him, if you saw Dennis Raider at Walmart,
Speaker 7: you'd be like, for sure, he has like a boy
Speaker 7: scout camp somewhere that he runs like. He just looked
Speaker 7: like this totally upstanding, like nerd, douchebag guy that you know,
Speaker 7: this is your typical, you know, common eighties dad. But no,
Speaker 7: he's buying torture kill crazy shit, right, So.
Speaker 6: Julia, isn't it weird that like most of these notorious
Speaker 6: or infamous killers are from southern California or Southern California esque,
Speaker 6: or they visited southern California or they have some sort
Speaker 6: of association with Southern California.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Lisa's hitting it right on the head with that,
Speaker 7: because if you read Program to Kill, one of the
Speaker 7: things that he talks about is how just in California alone,
Speaker 7: like all of these Cereal Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer,
Speaker 7: you know, Randy Krat, Richard Ramirez, I mean, they all
Speaker 7: come out of California. And it is even documented that
Speaker 7: Ted Bundy flew to California for a considerable period a
Speaker 7: time when he was doing something before he went back
Speaker 7: to Seattle and became the Ripper that we know, maybe
Speaker 7: he was doing something.
Speaker 1: He's a Mormon. I don't know if people know.
Speaker 7: That he he and he had the complete backing support
Speaker 7: of his local Mormon church the first time he got arrested,
Speaker 7: and they all made fucking signs for him, and they
Speaker 7: said we love Ted, and they were outside the courthouse
Speaker 7: rubbing their fucking nipples. You go, Ted is a good guy? Ted, Like,
Speaker 7: what are you talking about? He's literally a fucking rapist, murderer.
Speaker 7: It just kills me. It kills me, Like you guys
Speaker 7: are supposed to have great intuition and be so close
Speaker 7: to the Lord, and you guys got Joseph Smith and
Speaker 7: all this shit going on. You're supposed to be all,
Speaker 7: you know, intuitive and you got literally a poster saying
Speaker 7: we love Ted. He probably raped and murdered six to
Speaker 7: your kids, and you got to sign outside the court
Speaker 7: out saying we love Ted. Like that, to me is
Speaker 7: how crazy all of this gets. Because these people hide
Speaker 7: in plain sight. And I don't think that it's an accident.
Speaker 7: I think it's by design. They're master manipulators. They're highly
Speaker 7: functioning psychopaths, and I think that they are chosen because
Speaker 7: of this to be a part of these programs. Highly
Speaker 7: functioning psychopaths, narcissists, manipulative, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 7: you don't get chosen to be a part of the
Speaker 7: program to kill academy. If you're just like a normal
Speaker 7: guy who has a podcast and works for progressive you know,
Speaker 7: that's you're not gonna get chosen.
Speaker 9: And that kind of into like, you know, how how
Speaker 9: long were these people prepped before they started to commit
Speaker 9: these crimes like where they kidnapped as children, where they
Speaker 9: bred into it, you know, and that goes into s
Speaker 9: R A and a whole nother uh, you know, a
Speaker 9: whole a whole other topic.
Speaker 7: But yeah, well, Jules, think of think of it like this.
Speaker 7: They set up all these gifted and talented programs at
Speaker 7: schools looking for something. Okay, they set up a lot
Speaker 7: of programs for for young kids. Then they're clearly looking
Speaker 7: for something, you know, they're they're organizing field trips. Like
Speaker 7: there's a story about Jeffrey Dahmer going on a school
Speaker 7: field trip to Washington and he some makes some kind
Speaker 7: of anomalous phone call to who we don't know, and
Speaker 7: he is able to arrange a private tour of the
Speaker 7: White House for him and all of his uh student
Speaker 7: friends in his class. Like why who the fuck did
Speaker 7: he call? And how does he know somebody at the
Speaker 7: White House where he could call and arrange a private
Speaker 7: tour for him in his class.
Speaker 9: No matter ask those questions.
Speaker 7: Well, the thing is, it's like, all right, everybody knows
Speaker 7: about that. Everybody knows that Jeffrey Dummer. Oh he's so funny.
Speaker 7: He made a phone call and he got this private
Speaker 7: tour at the White House. He's also said to be
Speaker 7: a highly functioning psychopath, a narcissist, manipulative. He was in
Speaker 7: the army. I mean, it's like, I think that they
Speaker 7: find these kids at a young age, and I think
Speaker 7: that they're looking for these specific markers and if you
Speaker 7: fit the you know, whatever it is, if you check
Speaker 7: all the boxes, you get to be a part of
Speaker 7: something like this. And most of the time I think
Speaker 7: that they are programmed to either forget their crimes or
Speaker 7: to not even remember that they've been programmed at all,
Speaker 7: kind of like Manchurian candidates. It's like, go out, they
Speaker 7: do this stuff, they come back, they don't even remember
Speaker 7: doing it, or they don't remember being programmed to do it.
Speaker 7: And you know a lot of people's oh, not everything
Speaker 7: is cia, Not everything is, And that's true, but there
Speaker 7: is a blueprint actually that you can look for. Not
Speaker 7: every serial killer meets that criteria, but the ones that do,
Speaker 7: it's too much in common to just be a coincidence.
Speaker 7: And this guy is one of them, just like Ted
Speaker 7: Bundy Dahmer. They all fit this blueprint and this guy.
Speaker 2: And I just want to add, sorry to interrupt you,
Speaker 2: but real quick before you go. And I know it's
Speaker 2: going off a little off topic, but like you had
Speaker 2: mentioned somebody, uh you know, he got to go to
Speaker 2: the White House. I mean even when Gaysey was in prison,
Speaker 2: he had I forgot what you call it, but it's
Speaker 2: like when you just have one hole in golf that
Speaker 2: you just keep on trying to get it in. You
Speaker 2: had one of those installed in the prison he was in.
Speaker 2: You get this dumb while you're in jail.
Speaker 7: He all also had like McDonald's delivered to his fucking cell,
Speaker 7: and he had like civilian clothing delivered to him, and
Speaker 7: he had like all this stuff. He has a picture
Speaker 7: of him in the first lady.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He used to run He
Speaker 2: used to run a parade in his town.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, so he was a part of the j
Speaker 7: c's which like trained like, yes, he was a part
Speaker 7: of the jay C. I mean, that's that's what I'm
Speaker 7: talking about if you look, because Ted Bundy was also
Speaker 7: involved in politics, and you know, he was a Mormon,
Speaker 7: he was, you know, has been. It was saying he
Speaker 7: was really involved in his community, and it made people
Speaker 7: think like, oh, they couldn't he couldn't possibly be doing
Speaker 7: this stuff because he's such a stand up guy. Look
Speaker 7: at him. He's great. And it's by design that these
Speaker 7: guys just blend right in, just like BTK he's like
Speaker 7: helping out at his church and he's like, you know whatever.
Speaker 7: So it's not an accident that these guys are master
Speaker 7: chameleons and they just kind of like you know, blend
Speaker 7: into their surroundings. This guy, Randy Kraft, he was enrolled
Speaker 7: in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and he was also
Speaker 7: involved in some kind of campaign rallies for Barry Goldwater
Speaker 7: in nineteen sixty four, and he was also like really
Speaker 7: involved in supporting the Vietnam War, and that was like
Speaker 7: his first taste of like becoming political. And he actually
Speaker 7: ended up organizing campaign rallies for Robert F. Kennedy and
Speaker 7: he got real tight with Robert F. Kennedy and he
Speaker 7: got like some kind of letter of recognition or something
Speaker 7: from Robert F. Kennedy because he was helping him out
Speaker 7: so much with his campaign. So again, if you look
Speaker 7: for like the subtle clues in the background, they're always
Speaker 7: going to be there somehow, political, somehow in a gifted
Speaker 7: and talented program at school, highly functioning psychopath, narcissist. It's
Speaker 7: like always hidden somewhere in there, and if you look
Speaker 7: hard enough you'll find it. So a lot like Jeffrey
Speaker 7: Dahmer and Ted Bundy, Randy Kraft also seems to be
Speaker 7: able to elude police officers multiple times or downright just
Speaker 7: get away with shit, get arrested and get almost no bail,
Speaker 7: a very small bail, or not arrested at all, Like
Speaker 7: how like that has to be another part of the
Speaker 7: blueprint is how can you keep getting arrested? How can
Speaker 7: you keep getting in trouble for the same bullshit over
Speaker 7: and over again and nothing ever happens to you. Like
Speaker 7: in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer, he has victims that
Speaker 7: actually got returned back to him by police.
Speaker 2: Officer that story it's like, how to come.
Speaker 7: On, this guy did too, Randy Craft, police officers brought
Speaker 7: a victim who just said that guy raped me. In
Speaker 7: the asshole, beat me over the head, drugged me, molested me.
Speaker 7: He was in the hospital. They took him back to
Speaker 7: Randy Craft's apartment, never filed any charges against him, He
Speaker 7: didn't even get he didn't even get a night in jail,
Speaker 7: and just skirt it on the whole thing. That was
Speaker 7: his first victim. So again, if you look at this stuff,
Speaker 7: it's too much to be a coincidence. Like how does
Speaker 7: Jeffrey Dahmer and this guy who have so much in
Speaker 7: comment from their past end up getting victims returned to
Speaker 7: them no jail time? They really at every stop.
Speaker 2: I mean, another common thing I've noticed too. This could
Speaker 2: maybe just be happens, you know, just coincidental. But you
Speaker 2: will also get a lot of people where it's like
Speaker 2: if they would have gone to jail, either for the
Speaker 2: right amount of time for the first crime they committed
Speaker 2: or things that they should have gotten arrested for to
Speaker 2: begin with, all this other shit never would have happened,
Speaker 2: you know, like Bundy Gacy and this guy, if they
Speaker 2: would have gotten caught or Gaysey would have stayed in
Speaker 2: jail as long as you would have supposed to have
Speaker 2: had first time, he wouldn't have killed allose.
Speaker 8: Other motherfuckers, and Charles Manson the same thing happened with him.
Speaker 8: He was arrested and let go a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, these guys there, many of these serial killer guys, right,
Speaker 1: that the fuck there? They just what ends up happening
Speaker 1: is that they they're nice, clean cut guys, right, and
Speaker 1: it's all a personaly literally a dual personality, right, and
Speaker 1: are highly intelligent, and they do this stuff to just
Speaker 1: cover it up, and they end up getting into positions
Speaker 1: where they wheeld influence. That's part of the reason they
Speaker 1: get into politics, right. I mean they literally, you know,
Speaker 1: mold themselves into high functioning organized killers because that's the
Speaker 1: one thing about Craft is he's so organized, well, all
Speaker 1: of them, Donald or Bundy. So they're able to get
Speaker 1: away with it for so long. You know, they're polished, intelligent,
Speaker 1: well integrated into society, all that stuff. Respectable. They put
Speaker 1: that respectable mask on.
Speaker 7: And sometimes they even you know, I feel like they
Speaker 7: go out of their ways to even pick kind of
Speaker 7: attractive people because you do hear about like, there's one
Speaker 7: that I really want to talk to you guys about
Speaker 7: in a future episode. His name is Rodney al Koala,
Speaker 7: He's also known as the Dating Game Killer, and they
Speaker 7: made a movie about him on Netflix is called The
Speaker 7: Woman of the Hour and it talks about his crimes
Speaker 7: and stuff. What they won't tell you in that movie though,
Speaker 7: or any Netflix documentary, is this guy's also definitely fits
Speaker 7: the blueprint for program to kill. But he's a good
Speaker 7: fucking looking guy. He's like a fair of faucet haircuted,
Speaker 7: fucking freak strangler. And if you saw the guy, you
Speaker 7: would definitely be interested in him. Like some people talk
Speaker 7: about Ted Bundy was attractive Rodney I'll call it was
Speaker 7: like a Native American guy or something like that. He
Speaker 7: had like real dark hair, you know, tall, dark and handsome,
Speaker 7: ended up fucking raping and murdering one hundred and thirty women.
Speaker 7: Like that's to me, it's like they go out of
Speaker 7: their way to like find attractive, extremely intelligent, manipulative psychopaths
Speaker 7: to be a part of this. You know, the only one.
Speaker 6: You're saying, Julia, what you're saying, Julia is a them.
Speaker 6: And the pharmaceutical reps also look for attractive people too.
Speaker 7: One hundred The pharmaceutical reps are horrible for that ship.
Speaker 7: They'll send like a girl with their tits half out
Speaker 7: pretty much up into a place that literally just like
Speaker 7: a handful of pills. And the thing that I love
Speaker 7: Chick fil A. The thing that I always say, though,
Speaker 7: is the one person I can think of that doesn't
Speaker 7: fit that uh stereotype would be John Wayne Gacy because
Speaker 7: he was just a fat, gross motherfucker, just a nasty
Speaker 7: He just looked like he like mopped floors at KFC,
Speaker 7: Like you just see him and be like gross.
Speaker 2: No, he did, if I remember correctly, No joke. Didn't
Speaker 2: he actually run KFCs before he started doing He.
Speaker 7: Did, He did, and he requested KFC for his last meal.
Speaker 10: And it wasn't.
Speaker 8: One inspiration too for Captains Spalding, so kind of the
Speaker 8: same vibe. I'm pretty sure when Rob Zombie was crafting
Speaker 8: his character that he played on that influence.
Speaker 7: I have a questions for you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he.
Speaker 8: Yes, and he and Captain Spaulding sells chicken Freaky gas station.
Speaker 7: Oh that's funny.
Speaker 8: So when you were when you were talking about how
Speaker 8: there's several I think you'll probably get to it, but
Speaker 8: how they were all some other active serial killers in
Speaker 8: the area. I'm not sure if you watch the show
Speaker 8: Sandman or not. But okay, So basically, there's this convention
Speaker 8: of serial killers that all come together once a year
Speaker 8: and they break off into many groups, like depending on
Speaker 8: if they're like religious killers or people who poison or
Speaker 8: go for organs, they like break up. When you said that, yeah,
Speaker 8: and you said they could be working together, my mind
Speaker 8: went there. And I know in the pass on the Rejects,
Speaker 8: you guys have talked about potentially a serial killer.
Speaker 10: Ring in the United States. I think that that's.
Speaker 8: Incredibly possible that they could have been in some facet
Speaker 8: aware of what one another was doing.
Speaker 1: I think forty eight serial killers in California, Julia, that's
Speaker 1: what it was.
Speaker 7: That's too much. I mean, that's too much. And it's
Speaker 7: like Brooke was saying, Actually, Nick, if maybe you were
Speaker 7: too high at the time, but maybe not, you could
Speaker 7: remember this. We actually covered the Sandman together in an
Speaker 7: episode called Netflix and Chill or something like that. Do
Speaker 7: you remember, And we talked about that serial killer convention
Speaker 7: because it was like pedophile serial killers and they all
Speaker 7: get just go to this one one convention at a
Speaker 7: hotel and talk and exchange notes and like you know,
Speaker 7: trade secrets and shit like that and they put their
Speaker 7: heads together. But it seems to.
Speaker 6: Me, kill con by the way Jill kill kill a con,
Speaker 6: Kill a con. I'm just going to get a joke.
Speaker 7: That'd be a good thing.
Speaker 10: I think in the show it was a serial convention,
Speaker 10: but like the cereal You Eat?
Speaker 7: Oh, I was sitting here thinking like they had some
Speaker 7: kind of a cover.
Speaker 2: Of a magazine.
Speaker 8: Up and they're like, where's the fruit looves, Like, we
Speaker 8: don't see any cereal?
Speaker 7: Right. That's actually a really good show if anybody hasn't
Speaker 7: watched it. It's full of esoteric and occult symbolism, as
Speaker 7: Nick pointed out in the show we did together. But
Speaker 7: I do think they're aware of each other. I do
Speaker 7: think that some serial killers can just be random psychos
Speaker 7: that go nuts and just end up killing people. I'm
Speaker 7: not going to say all of them are programmed killers,
Speaker 7: but the ones that you find that are almost sensationalized
Speaker 7: to a degree of becoming a celebrity or something that
Speaker 7: or their crimes and their backgrounds are so similar to
Speaker 7: each other that you're like, what are the odds? Like
Speaker 7: they had to have known about each other. They're they're
Speaker 7: like killing their victims in the same exact way. They
Speaker 7: live a couple of blocks from each other. Like, how
Speaker 7: how does this happen?
Speaker 6: You know they write letters to each other. I know
Speaker 6: that there there have been a couple of people that
Speaker 6: Nick and I have covered that they were exchanging letters
Speaker 6: with each other. I think he was exchanging letters with BTK,
Speaker 6: wasn't he?
Speaker 2: Oh shit, Yeah, they're having conversations.
Speaker 6: They were having conversations. They were each other that that
Speaker 6: is not uncommon for for these convicted serial killers, that
Speaker 6: they will exchange letters with each other, to each other
Speaker 6: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, So do you remember when we covied that. I
Speaker 2: can't remember exactly what it matched, but I saw it
Speaker 2: take and like bt K and putting certain words through
Speaker 2: Jamatra and like certain things were actually matching, like Oyster
Speaker 2: Bay or like the town, like the area where fucking
Speaker 2: should happened. I was like, yo, is this something like
Speaker 2: weird like cult stuff going on here in the news?
Speaker 6: And it was it was btk's daughter. And then the
Speaker 6: what was it? Not the Sunshine Killer but the Smiley Killer,
Speaker 6: not small face killers, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know it was it was happy Face happy
Speaker 2: Face killer, happy Face.
Speaker 6: Happy his daughter and then btk's daughter came out and
Speaker 6: were in support of rex Hureman's family as well as
Speaker 6: her daughter, and they were very vocal in protecting her
Speaker 6: and trying to provide some sort of support. Started up
Speaker 6: an entire goal fundme. We kind of did a little
Speaker 6: bit of background on the daughter of Happy Face. She's
Speaker 6: wanted for that.
Speaker 2: And she's yeah, scam artists, scam outists.
Speaker 6: But she has I think money crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a money crime and it's not illegal.
Speaker 2: We used in tell us. We had a two week
Speaker 2: trial and we threw a name in there and that's
Speaker 2: what came up. She's already committed crimes with money and
Speaker 2: the only reason we were even getting into that. And
Speaker 2: you know, we can get back to the topic. But
Speaker 2: like when it comes to true crime, there is something,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, you saw looking at these it's always
Speaker 2: the weird ones are the ones that make no sense
Speaker 2: and seem off the wall. That everybody's got gofundmes going on.
Speaker 2: It's a fucking grift. There's something going on. The people
Speaker 2: who were even involved in the crimes and possibly are
Speaker 2: even playing games with money. Who the fuck knows, but
Speaker 2: something's up. There's always these weird gofundmies going on. People
Speaker 2: raising them fifty grand, so I can go watch the
Speaker 2: coburger try. What the fuck you need fifty grand?
Speaker 6: You go watch a trial for I had a question
Speaker 6: for Juliet. Do you think that there is like an
Speaker 6: A team, B team or strings?
Speaker 7: Yeah, because Lisa think about it like this. Not only
Speaker 7: could these be government programs that are broken up into
Speaker 7: sub sex for like whatever, mixing business with pleasure essentially
Speaker 7: like gay guys. Obviously you got like Jeffrey Dahmer, and
Speaker 7: then you got guys like Rodney I'll Calla and Ted Bundy.
Speaker 7: They're not gay, but they murder their victims in a
Speaker 7: really similar way. I think that they're also mixed up
Speaker 7: with magic in some way. The ritualism behind the crimes,
Speaker 7: the areas in which they're perpetrating the crimes, the neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 9: Sorry, have you found any kind of significance to the
Speaker 9: date of the certain crimes.
Speaker 7: It's interesting to think about because I actually think a
Speaker 7: lot of the victim they'll say like, oh, we found
Speaker 7: this body at this time, and we found this body
Speaker 7: at this time. But there were so many active serial
Speaker 7: killers in and around the time Randy Craft was ripping
Speaker 7: and running through dudes buttholes during this time, I don't
Speaker 7: know who killed who. There was too many. It's like
Speaker 7: there's like eighty victims and three serial killers and they
Speaker 7: can't tell who the fuck did what. And it's like,
Speaker 7: obviously this is significant someone because they're murdering in clusters
Speaker 7: around the same time, all three of them in the
Speaker 7: same exact way, like how and.
Speaker 1: They're still finding people like DNA evidence and shit, they're
Speaker 1: still trying it to like cold cases to these to
Speaker 1: the s guy.
Speaker 7: So yes, yes, So he actually joined the United States
Speaker 7: Air Force and he was stationed at Edward's Air Force Base,
Speaker 7: which is also the same Air Force base where a
Speaker 7: lot of the Laurel Canyon cast of characters came out
Speaker 7: of Edwards Air Force Base. Also. Uh so, he was
Speaker 7: supposed to be a supervisor of teaching people how to
Speaker 7: paint test planes. That's what he was supposed to. That
Speaker 7: was his official job title is supervising the painting of
Speaker 7: test planes. And he became an airman first class. But
Speaker 7: he they found out that he was gay and they
Speaker 7: released him on medical grounds quote unquote, which you know,
Speaker 7: on surface level you'd say, oh, well, that might have
Speaker 7: been common back in the sixties. To get to you know,
Speaker 7: released on medical grounds for being gay. But in my opinion,
Speaker 7: they don't let somebody like this just go. He's too
Speaker 7: valuable obviously, so maybe the cover is we let him
Speaker 7: go on the medical grounds, but he just got repurposed
Speaker 7: in some you know, unclassified you know, program to kill
Speaker 7: type academy thing because he had a genius IQ. And
Speaker 7: after they dismissed him from the Air Force, he found
Speaker 7: employment for the aerospace program. So I mean a lot
Speaker 7: of the victims that they say he killed were all
Speaker 7: around his business trips, traveling around for the aerospace program.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 7: You know what I mean, It's like he didn't travel
Speaker 7: too far outside of the uh sus a's fuck category
Speaker 7: as far as employment goes. When he started killing all
Speaker 7: these guys, it's like, oh, you were in the Air Force,
Speaker 7: now you're working for the aerospace program, and every time
Speaker 7: you have a business trip, like six dudes get murdered
Speaker 7: in the area, Like is that a coincidence? And then
Speaker 7: they find like pictures in DNA evidence later that would
Speaker 7: link him to the crimes.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I just want I want to say real quickly.
Speaker 2: I know it's kind of a between aerospace and NASA.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a difference there, but I do find
Speaker 2: it interesting. Remember how I mentioned it to you, and
Speaker 2: it's something that I probably would like us to cover.
Speaker 2: At some point I mentioned it to some of us
Speaker 2: here at covering it where I had started noticing Lisa's
Speaker 2: even notice that other people have noticed it that, Like,
Speaker 2: why is there always somebody in NASA popping up with
Speaker 2: all these new fucking true crimes. There's always a link
Speaker 2: to somebody's in fucking NASA. What's up with that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And when I and you know, and again I always say,
Speaker 2: I think NASA is basically like a Nazi magical operation.
Speaker 2: So like, if I think that they're handling you shit
Speaker 2: and portraying it in a different way and people are
Speaker 2: believing it, why would they not do that with other
Speaker 2: shit They're they're obviously mass to manipulators with the film
Speaker 2: and shit, you know, they make you believe whatever the
Speaker 2: fuck they throw on the screen.
Speaker 7: And it's like I said before, it has to be
Speaker 7: integrated with a magical aspect. It can't just be like, oh,
Speaker 7: the government program, you know, case clothes, that's it. There's
Speaker 7: always like this weird magical aspect to it too. Where
Speaker 7: it's like you said, they they fake all this moon
Speaker 7: landing stuff, they fake all this based stuff. They lie
Speaker 7: to us constantly, right, and then it's there's just this
Speaker 7: aspect of like serial killers and weirdos working for them
Speaker 7: and shit like that, like all not tend to see here.
Speaker 7: I guess, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Just something I noticed, you know, and I just find
Speaker 2: it weird.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Sorry? Interrupted?
Speaker 7: Oh I thought Lisa, Lisa was about I.
Speaker 6: Was going to interrupt. You know, what's interesting, Julie you
Speaker 6: were talking about because I was going to ask you
Speaker 6: what year did all this kind of start to you know,
Speaker 6: transpire or whatever. But what's interesting, I think you said
Speaker 6: somewhere around the sixties. And you know, we've covered at
Speaker 6: length the sixties on on this podcast. What's interesting is
Speaker 6: that you do have a lot of presence of certain
Speaker 6: ops or certain operations from the government occurring in bath
Speaker 6: houses during the sixties, especially in California, especially in these
Speaker 6: big cities, especially in these cities where a lot of
Speaker 6: tech is happening. Tech back then was aeronautics or space
Speaker 6: programs or government programs and stuff like that. So it's
Speaker 6: interesting that they would have this guy who was sexually
Speaker 6: active in the community that he he would you know,
Speaker 6: be potentially has anyone looked at the victimology of like
Speaker 6: if his victims were involved in some sort of programs.
Speaker 7: There were mostly marines.
Speaker 6: That's right, you said that. Sorry, I apologize.
Speaker 7: I think actually Bennett had mentioned it. He killed a
Speaker 7: fucked on the Marines and other military men. Actually, so
Speaker 7: it's it was it's kind of like I was saying before,
Speaker 7: they find people. It's like they mixed business with pleasure.
Speaker 7: This guy's gay, he loves murdering assholes, and they got
Speaker 7: a lot of marines they gotta get rid of.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what it was is he like really
Speaker 1: tried to tried to find well, they were always drunk
Speaker 1: or or on drugs usually.
Speaker 7: Or he or he drugged them.
Speaker 1: And that's yeah, even the way they caught him.
Speaker 7: Doude, don't get started on that. Yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 7: I got a whole fucking thing on how they got it,
Speaker 7: because damn.
Speaker 1: It was a marine.
Speaker 9: Lisa.
Speaker 7: That was great. That was great a question because I
Speaker 7: did connect that they were mostly like military or marines
Speaker 7: or something like that, and like the.
Speaker 1: Rage issue against like macho guys or macho guys kind
Speaker 1: of and that was like his em was like, this
Speaker 1: is who I fucking hate because they've ruined my life
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I am going to take control and
Speaker 1: show the power over these bastards.
Speaker 7: I mean, it definitely could have been. And I will
Speaker 7: entertain that only if you'll entertain the possibility that these
Speaker 7: guys were like people that they wanted to get rid of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking that I was going to bring
Speaker 2: that up.
Speaker 1: Maybe these are That is a good point though, too
Speaker 1: an assassination.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what I mean, it's like we need
Speaker 7: to get rid of private you know smith Craft over there.
Speaker 9: Here's a list of these guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got some you canuck.
Speaker 10: Right, But doesn't make you wonder what sort of programs
Speaker 10: that they were involved in.
Speaker 7: That's also I don't know something something because it's like
Speaker 7: I said, his first victim got returned back to him,
Speaker 7: no charges wherever filed. You know, the kid was like thirteen,
Speaker 7: He got raped, he got drugs, he got beaten, nobody cared,
Speaker 7: So obviously there's something else going on here. But what
Speaker 7: I find interesting, and you guys need to, you know,
Speaker 7: throw your two cents in it is the type of
Speaker 7: things that he did to his victims go beyond just
Speaker 7: killing a person. It's it's uh, you know, And if
Speaker 7: anybody in the livestream whatever, if you're sensitive or you know,
Speaker 7: you might just want to puss out now because I'm
Speaker 7: gonna just say all the details. Okay. He wouldn't just
Speaker 7: like sodomize a guy. He would sodomize a guy, but
Speaker 7: then he would like cut their dick and their ball
Speaker 7: bag off while they were still alive. He would make
Speaker 7: sure that they were still alive for all of it.
Speaker 7: Sometimes he would take their dick and ball bag and
Speaker 7: then shove it up their ass. Sometimes he would take
Speaker 7: his car lighter out of his car and burn their
Speaker 7: nipples off and burn their eyeballs out. He would shove dirt.
Speaker 9: I was just gonna ask, what was he sodomizing them
Speaker 9: with like his penis?
Speaker 7: He did, Yeah, I mean he did rape them. Sometimes
Speaker 7: it was just more about the kill because they found
Speaker 7: like ballpoint pins inserted into their penises. They found a
Speaker 7: bunch of them decapitated. They found a bunch of victims
Speaker 7: that were just in pieces and parts. And it's like
Speaker 7: this goes beyond just like killing a guy. To rip
Speaker 7: somebody's dicking ball bag off, put it in their ass
Speaker 7: and then like burn their eyeballs out with the car
Speaker 7: cigarette lighter. This goes beyond, this goes beyond just killing someone.
Speaker 9: What sounds like some of the some of the torture
Speaker 9: methods that they use back in like antiquity or ancient times.
Speaker 9: So maybe it is some ancient like some dark spirit
Speaker 9: that is not only taking them over, but being like
Speaker 9: invoked to take them, like he's being whoever it is,
Speaker 9: is just being groomed to be a vessel for a
Speaker 9: particular entity.
Speaker 7: Well, Jules, have you ever heard this saying like what
Speaker 7: would possess someone to do that? I don't know, why
Speaker 7: why do we use that terminology? What would possess someone
Speaker 7: to do something like that? I don't know, a demon
Speaker 7: maybe like or something they've tapped into something. Obviously that
Speaker 7: there's a dark passenger driving like they say in Dexter,
Speaker 7: because you know that the average person is not thinking
Speaker 7: to do this.
Speaker 9: And some people might say that they have kind of trained.
Speaker 3: These people to switch on, like to switch on their
Speaker 3: shadows self, to switch on their dweller right to where
Speaker 3: they can immediately just you know, change consciousnesses.
Speaker 9: But it's it's them. It's just their deep, deep, dark subconscious, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think that's part of why they have
Speaker 7: to break you down in the programming, is so they
Speaker 7: can something else, something else has to get inserted in there,
Speaker 7: you know, something else has to take over.
Speaker 6: Where was he doing most of.
Speaker 7: His work, So the reason they called him the Freeway
Speaker 7: is because they never knew where he was doing this.
Speaker 7: But he always dumped his body on the side of
Speaker 7: the freeway, so they didn't know if he was killing
Speaker 7: him in his car, if he was taking him back
Speaker 7: to his apartment and killing him and then dumping them.
Speaker 7: But all the victims were found either in Portland when
Speaker 7: he was on a business trip, Seattle when he was
Speaker 7: on a business trip, or southern California, all by the
Speaker 7: freeway and all that. They started to put things together
Speaker 7: because he finally found his signature, which was after he
Speaker 7: you know, raped them, murdered them, dismembered them, whatever, he
Speaker 7: would take one of the victim's socks, ball it up
Speaker 7: and put it in their bee hole, and that was
Speaker 7: his signature. Every time they found a body with a
Speaker 7: bald up sock in their bee hole, they started, they started,
Speaker 7: you know, realizing that these these victims could be connected.
Speaker 7: And the only thing that they could think of of
Speaker 7: a reason why he would be doing this is they said, well,
Speaker 7: the killer must have military background, because in the military
Speaker 7: they they train you to shove socks up dead bodies
Speaker 7: bee holes to prevent them from purging until you can
Speaker 7: get to the body or whatever. So what they surmised
Speaker 7: is that he was taking them, killing them somewhere else,
Speaker 7: putting the sock in the bee hole to prevent purging
Speaker 7: until he could dump the body.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, that comes to mind is that it's almost
Speaker 6: like was he doing this for someone else? And that
Speaker 6: was the Worthies experiments to see the level of pain
Speaker 6: and torture, and worth these methods of potential in interrogation
Speaker 6: to be used later in other operations in that yes
Speaker 6: it looks like a serial killing. Yes, it looks like
Speaker 6: somebody is disturbed or was Randy contracted by the government
Speaker 6: to inflict these types of torture to measure the level
Speaker 6: of whatever the pravity.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then and then now.
Speaker 6: It's a data point and you can feed it back
Speaker 6: to the to whomever contracted you as a way of saying, yeah,
Speaker 6: they break at this point, or if you do this,
Speaker 6: they'll they'll do this or what have you. And then
Speaker 6: the like you said, the signature, Randy be like, well
Speaker 6: that was my calling card. I did that one. The
Speaker 6: other guy did the other one.
Speaker 7: I did this one, right.
Speaker 1: I mean it kind of goes hand in what she's saying,
Speaker 1: kind of goes hand in hand with why they call
Speaker 1: them the scorecard killer m Yeah, because he's checking boxes
Speaker 1: in a cryptic yeah, very cryptic.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's how he was able to delineate who who
Speaker 1: is who.
Speaker 7: Too, right, because they found in his car when they
Speaker 7: busted him the scorecard with all the victims' names and
Speaker 7: like a little description And it's kind of like what
Speaker 7: you were saying, Li says, is he taking him somewhere
Speaker 7: else and doing this for God only knows what reason.
Speaker 7: And then he has to use this beehole sock because
Speaker 7: he's got to drive him then somewhere and dump the body.
Speaker 7: But the problem is, it's like he's supposed to be
Speaker 7: in charge of supervising people painting test airplanes. At what
Speaker 7: point did shoven us sock in somebody's bee hole come
Speaker 7: up in the painting of the test planes training? Like,
Speaker 7: I don't you know, I'm not a rocket scientist here,
Speaker 7: but I would say, if you're in charge of painting
Speaker 7: test planes, a sock in somebody's dead bee hole is
Speaker 7: not going to come up. Another thing that I don't
Speaker 7: understand why they said this is they said the well,
Speaker 7: the killer obviously has military background, because not only is
Speaker 7: there a sock in the victim's b hole, but he
Speaker 7: would take tissue paper and he would shove it in
Speaker 7: the nostrils and down the throat, which is another thing
Speaker 7: I guess they do in the military because fluids come
Speaker 7: out and whatever after somebody dies. And it's like, again,
Speaker 7: when did the tissue paper nostral technique come up in
Speaker 7: the painting of the test planes? Can somebody explain that
Speaker 7: to me, Like, obviously he has further training that we
Speaker 7: don't fucking know about. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I mean I spent ten years in the military and
Speaker 1: I never was trained to that shit, But.
Speaker 7: Get trained on.
Speaker 10: I'm just saying, come on.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it could have been
Speaker 1: some Vietnam stuff. I mean that that's when this was happening.
Speaker 1: So it's like maybe that was dream back then, but
Speaker 1: I've never heard.
Speaker 7: I know you're not trying, it's just about that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, no, I'm not trying to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, a.
Speaker 9: Sock in my buttole when it's too when it's too
Speaker 9: hot outside.
Speaker 7: Be sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it isn't some of these paints on any
Speaker 6: of the military planes because you're finally classified?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well not yeah, I mean even back then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you had a plant you had especially now,
Speaker 1: but not so much back then, but maybe maybe especially
Speaker 1: especially like in that area you had the s R
Speaker 1: seventy one Blackbird, and the the the other one, the
Speaker 1: other spy plane, the big it's like something fifty yeah whatever,
Speaker 1: either way, they had radar reflecting paint, yes.
Speaker 6: Yes, and most of that stuff was patented and highly classified. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and not anybody could handle that type of paint because
Speaker 6: they would have to pass a clearance in order to
Speaker 6: handle that type of paint point because of extreme class
Speaker 6: Like we were the only country that had the patent
Speaker 6: for a while on some of the reflective paint to
Speaker 6: evade radar detection, didn't.
Speaker 1: We Yeah, for sure, what we still do. I mean
Speaker 1: they're like they don't even know, Like the F twenty two,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what it's coded with zero nobody
Speaker 1: and we won't sell it to anybody either, so nobody's and.
Speaker 6: It's weightless because every single paint is has has a
Speaker 6: certain weight.
Speaker 1: And that's the shit we know about that. The shit
Speaker 1: we don't know about who even fucking knows. Frankly, I
Speaker 1: mean that, And people have to understand the f twenty
Speaker 1: two is it's almost a thirty year old plaint in
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, and it's far and beyond
Speaker 1: anything anyone else has. So probably I mean, if he
Speaker 1: is painting, I guess.
Speaker 7: Tell me, tell me when the fucking b whole sock
Speaker 7: comes in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never I've never heard that in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I'm telling you that God's down the streets.
Speaker 1: Never heard that ship in my life.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 9: I'm going to have to do a deep dive and
Speaker 9: to butt whole socks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually writing it down right now. I've never
Speaker 1: heard of that.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 8: I just find it interesting too that all of this
Speaker 8: is happening in the sixties, right around the time that
Speaker 8: m k Ult is happening and Charles Manson is running around.
Speaker 10: Getting out of jail working with the CIA. It's just
Speaker 10: interesting timing.
Speaker 8: And and she ha the nail on the head with
Speaker 8: Laurel Canyon. I wrote that down because it was like,
Speaker 8: I wonder if there's some sort of a connection there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I was. I was wondering, and
Speaker 2: I was going to ask, you believe because I know
Speaker 2: this is something that being you have, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of researched but never covered. Do you think it's quite
Speaker 2: possible that they had to voice the skull stuff? Then yes,
Speaker 2: because I do think that's actually being used now to make.
Speaker 6: Remember remember when we covered the whole Esslon thing and
Speaker 6: we started to look at some of these scientists from UCLA, Harvard,
Speaker 6: Stanford and all that this was popping off late fifties,
Speaker 6: early sixties, and this was the psychological angle. This is
Speaker 6: the angle that we just know about. We didn't even
Speaker 6: touch upon any of the physiological anatomical We were just
Speaker 6: looking mainly at the psychological angle of some of these tests.
Speaker 6: And so yes, it was right around the same time
Speaker 6: all of it.
Speaker 1: Sixties, late sixties seventies were wild, especially with psychological stuff.
Speaker 1: The shit that they were doing, the folks, shit that
Speaker 1: they were doing, the listeners. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 8: I mean, like just heinous, and I think to your point, Lisa,
Speaker 8: they couldn't be testing the capabilities of what's possible. Yes,
Speaker 8: you know, as far as mind control goes and taking
Speaker 8: people to their breaking points and what they can invoke exactly.
Speaker 6: And I don't mean to keep going on this, but
Speaker 6: remember we just brought the boys from Germany over and
Speaker 6: they were doing all kinds of tests on twins on pain.
Speaker 6: Most of what we know about pain response comes from
Speaker 6: these scientists. Most of the stuff that we know about
Speaker 6: manipulating viruses, bacteria and all kinds of infectious agents comes
Speaker 6: from these scientists. So who's to say that we're not
Speaker 6: employing the B Team or the A team of program
Speaker 6: to kill to see what's happened, you know, what can
Speaker 6: happen next week.
Speaker 7: The A Team is this group that we're talking about
Speaker 7: right here that came out of the sixties, because it was,
Speaker 7: like Brooke was saying, Randy Kraft was at Edward's Air
Speaker 7: Force Base at the same time, like Frank Zappa's dad,
Speaker 7: and like all these these assholes parents were there. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's it's it's too much to be a coincident. Then,
Speaker 7: Charles Manson, like you were saying, I think the sixties,
Speaker 7: especially like with with Randy Kraft, and a couple others
Speaker 7: that I'm going to tie into at the end that
Speaker 7: they were part of the A team, I would say,
Speaker 7: you know, and then they they manufactured based on their
Speaker 7: results with the first round, future generations of serial killers.
Speaker 7: So I would say that Jeffrey Dahmer is probably like
Speaker 7: B team because he was like in the eighties or
Speaker 7: nineties something like that. So he's later on, they've perfected
Speaker 7: it a little bit more. Now he's like got vats
Speaker 7: of acid in his apartment and cooking dudes dicks off
Speaker 7: and like cannibalizing him and feeding them to his neighbors
Speaker 7: and shit like it just becomes or depraved as as
Speaker 7: time goes on. It's like they got to up the
Speaker 7: echelon to the next you know, worst thing they can
Speaker 7: terrify people with, Jules, did you have something you wanted
Speaker 7: to do? I thought I saw a comment on the
Speaker 7: side there. Did you have something you wanted to touch on?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 9: No, no, no, I was just I was apologizing, Nick.
Speaker 9: I was laughing for a minute. My my audience has
Speaker 9: been making sexual remarks at me, And uh, do.
Speaker 7: They want to put socks in your beetle?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 9: They want me to put stickers on my on on
Speaker 9: my nipples, and uh, because I've done it before. So
Speaker 9: it's not happening you guys.
Speaker 7: As long as you don't put a sock in your
Speaker 7: bee hole.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're not doing that either. I think they. I
Speaker 9: think they're talking about doing that to each other.
Speaker 7: I don't like.
Speaker 9: I said, I can't control what these guys say. They're insane.
Speaker 9: Oh and then here's Joey bootbags here. Now, okay, well.
Speaker 7: Cool, So I did want to I wanted to just
Speaker 7: give one other example of a time where they found
Speaker 7: a victim and they basically let him totally off the
Speaker 7: hook for it. They he abducted two cousins, two male cousins.
Speaker 7: He let one of them go and the other one
Speaker 7: he kept overnight. And the next morning they found this
Speaker 7: guy's decapitated head in a jetty somewhere nearby where he
Speaker 7: picked these two guys up. And the cousin said, I
Speaker 7: can identify the car, I can identify the guy. I
Speaker 7: can tell you all about it. He drugged us, he
Speaker 7: was weird. He threw me out of the car. He
Speaker 7: took my cousin. I don't know what happened to him.
Speaker 7: The police brought him in for questioning he had picking
Speaker 7: both of them up. He said, yeah, I was with
Speaker 7: him last night, but I dropped him off at home
Speaker 7: and I don't know what happened to him after that.
Speaker 7: And the police were like, well, that's funny because we
Speaker 7: just found his fucking decapitated head right nearby where you
Speaker 7: picked the guy up. And he's like, yeah, well it
Speaker 7: wasn't me. No further questions, no further investigating, nothing, They
Speaker 7: just let him walk right out of the police station. Literally.
Speaker 7: The guy's cousin said, this is a guy who picked
Speaker 7: us up, He drugged us, he tossed me out of
Speaker 7: a car, he took my cousin. Now my cousin's decapitated
Speaker 7: and he has a sock in his bee hole and
Speaker 7: nothing they did, they do nothing like It's it's crazy
Speaker 7: to me how many times this guy looked police officers
Speaker 7: in the face and just was able to walk right
Speaker 7: back out of the police station, no consequences. And he
Speaker 7: went on to murder another like fifty sixty guys after that.
Speaker 7: If they would have busted him on that murder, it
Speaker 7: could it could have saved sixty men's lives.
Speaker 10: Well, that's kind of like Epstein.
Speaker 8: Okay, when he got arrested down in Florida and he
Speaker 8: basically got that sweetheart deal where he was running the
Speaker 8: jail down there for a little while.
Speaker 10: When pressed about it, the Attorney.
Speaker 8: General of Florida at the time just said it was
Speaker 8: above his pay, great, and that there was nothing that
Speaker 8: he could do. Because you're right, if he would have,
Speaker 8: like take him, for example, would have been busted then
Speaker 8: and gone to jail for the trafficking charges and the
Speaker 8: molestation charges, we may not have that giant blackering, you know,
Speaker 8: black girl ring that we had today. So if he
Speaker 8: would have gotten the appropriate sentencing then, But I think
Speaker 8: that there are some high level people allowing these people
Speaker 8: to walk free.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I mean, And to me, it's like, how do
Speaker 7: you justify that the cousin who saw this man was
Speaker 7: in the car with him, said that he rugged us
Speaker 7: and was and pushed me out of the car while
Speaker 7: it was going down the highway, And now my cousin's
Speaker 7: heads decapitated off and he's got to suck in his asshole,
Speaker 7: Like how the fuck do you justify and just letting
Speaker 7: him walk right out, like no investigating the car even
Speaker 7: to see if they can find the drugs or the like,
Speaker 7: nothing you're gonna do nothing Like that's crazy to me.
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, do you think it's just the cops
Speaker 9: being lazy or do you think that they were told
Speaker 9: to maybe stand down?
Speaker 7: I think that just like in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 7: when they they said, hey, we're gonna, you know, respond
Speaker 7: to this, you know whatever. It was that some some
Speaker 7: ladies called the police and they said, there's a kid
Speaker 7: out in the street. He's got blood running down his asshole.
Speaker 7: You know, he's got all this stuff wrong with him.
Speaker 7: The police show up, they'd say, hey, we're responding to this,
Speaker 7: you know, complaint whatever about this boy being in the
Speaker 7: street with blood running out of his asshole. And then
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, as soon as they get to
Speaker 7: the scene, Jeffrey Dahmer's there, and they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 7: this is just some gay guy stuff that we don't
Speaker 7: want any part of. Let's just take him back up
Speaker 7: to the apartment. They get into the apartment, he's got
Speaker 7: two dead people in his bedroom that have been flayed
Speaker 7: open with all their freaking lungs and everything out. And
Speaker 7: the police officers, these are supposed to be highly trained
Speaker 7: police officers, Right, you're gonna tell me they don't smell
Speaker 7: that with the second he opens his apartment door. What
Speaker 7: did they open the door and go, oh, this is
Speaker 7: what fucking gay sex smells like. Just fucking leave him
Speaker 7: here and let's go like, are you serious. There's two
Speaker 7: dead bodies in the next room, and they let this
Speaker 7: kid sit in there. He drilled a hole in his
Speaker 7: brain and put They were like that when they walk
Speaker 7: in the apartment, they were like, this is what dank
Speaker 7: asshole smells like. Let's just drop this kid off and
Speaker 7: go like, are you serious? As a trained police officer,
Speaker 7: you didn't suspect anything, you didn't smell anything, you didn't
Speaker 7: see anything, and you just let this kid who has
Speaker 7: blood running out of his asshole down his legs, all
Speaker 7: looped out with the clothes on, wandering around in the street.
Speaker 7: You took him back to the apartment, and you left
Speaker 7: it there with Jeffrey fucking Dahmerer. It's too bizarre. So,
Speaker 7: in my opinion, I think that they are told to
Speaker 7: leave it, drop it, get rid of it, cover it
Speaker 7: up right, act like you didn't see it.
Speaker 1: Move on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe not them ourselves, but they're the cops. Themselves
Speaker 6: are told to leave it.
Speaker 9: Chief.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 7: So in this particular instance with the guy who had
Speaker 7: his head decapitated, the order to release Randy Craft came
Speaker 7: from the LA District Attorney's office specifically. So does that
Speaker 7: say anything for you? The orders came down straight from
Speaker 7: the LA District Attorney's office to let Randy Craft go.
Speaker 10: That's what I mean.
Speaker 8: There's just some high level players in these cases.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, So he basically goes on ripping and running
Speaker 7: through dude's buttholes for like ten to twelve years. Nobody
Speaker 7: suspects him, nobody. He never gets caught, nothing until let's
Speaker 7: see here, I have it in my notes when he
Speaker 7: gets caught. I believe it was in the eighth eighties, Bennett,
Speaker 7: do you remember it was the eighties or it was,
Speaker 7: oh for the when he gets busted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was in here. I can give you the
Speaker 1: exact day. That's so Many fourteenth, nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, So May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three. It says
Speaker 7: at one ten am, he's driving all erratically all over
Speaker 7: the place down the highway. He gets stopped by police
Speaker 7: officer and they're like, hey, you need to get out
Speaker 7: of the vehicle. You're driving like shit, and they noticed
Speaker 7: that he's drunk. They make him do like a field
Speaker 7: sovariety test, which he fails because he's fucked up. And
Speaker 7: you know, he's just standing there waiting for the other
Speaker 7: police officer to inspect the vehicle because one police officer
Speaker 7: is giving him the field sobriety test, the other police
Speaker 7: officer is checking out the car. They go over to
Speaker 7: the passenger side of the car and they realize that
Speaker 7: there's another man in the vehicle, and you know, he's
Speaker 7: like trying to get the man to respond, poking him,
Speaker 7: talking to him whatever. He's not responding. He removes the
Speaker 7: jacket from the man's lap to uncover that Randy actually
Speaker 7: wasn't driving erratically because he was drunk. He was driving
Speaker 7: erratically because he was in the middle of sawing this
Speaker 7: guy's pecker off. And this guy is dead as fuck,
Speaker 7: and you know, he's had all the things happened to him,
Speaker 7: all the Randy Craft special has happened to this guy,
Speaker 7: and they still do not arrest him for murder. They
Speaker 7: arrest him for driving under the influence, even though he
Speaker 7: has a whole dead guy in his passenger seat with
Speaker 7: his pecker halfway sod off. Still, that's not arrested for murder.
Speaker 7: He gets arrested for driving under the influence after having
Speaker 7: a halfway cut off. Pecker guy in the passenger seat
Speaker 7: of his car, tell me that makes sense. It was
Speaker 7: only after he was arrested for driving under the influence
Speaker 7: when they finished the investigation in his car where they
Speaker 7: found the scorecard book with the names of victims, and
Speaker 7: they found several photographs that he had taken, much like
Speaker 7: Jeffrey Dahmer, of men posed in different sexual positions who
Speaker 7: were deceased, and they put all the puzzle pieces together.
Speaker 7: In my opinion, this is a case of he cooked
Speaker 7: his own goose. There was too much that was visible
Speaker 7: for them to try to save or salvage this guy.
Speaker 7: I think like at that point he was busted did
Speaker 7: and they were gonna, you know, he was gonna have
Speaker 7: to pay the piper. But he was able to get
Speaker 7: away with this forever forever long, you know. And uh,
Speaker 7: it's like, how do you how do you respond to that?
Speaker 7: It's like the police officer stops you and it's like
Speaker 7: you've been drinking a night. No, officer, I'm actually just
Speaker 7: trying to saw this guy's pecker off. How about you, Like.
Speaker 1: What do you?
Speaker 7: How do you at that point, You're fucked.
Speaker 9: You're done.
Speaker 7: You you you have a dead body in the car.
Speaker 7: You can't you know, you can't get out of it.
Speaker 7: So he did. He did get the death penalty, but
Speaker 7: they were only able to get him on Like, Bennett,
Speaker 7: do you remember like teen sixteen? Okay, I was gonna
Speaker 7: say a fraction of the actual number they have.
Speaker 1: I think they have him. Uh, I think it's sixty seven,
Speaker 1: sixty seven, even though we're sixty one in his book,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, you know, maybe started making his
Speaker 1: book later or something.
Speaker 7: Well, and also because there were those three guys doing
Speaker 7: crimes all around the same time that were identical to Randy,
Speaker 7: It's like, was it did Randy kill sixty seven of them?
Speaker 7: Maybe just sixty one and the other were from the
Speaker 7: other guy or It's like they had a hard time
Speaker 7: kind of pinning this shit on him because there was
Speaker 7: so much confusion around who was actually doing this shit.
Speaker 1: And he still has never admitted to anything. He still
Speaker 1: to the state swears that he's innocent.
Speaker 7: I actually want to talk about the two other serial
Speaker 7: killers who were ripping and running through dude's bat holes
Speaker 7: around the same time. But before we do that, Nick,
Speaker 7: could you pull up a picture of this guy so
Speaker 7: the listeners can see. Yeah, I just I just want
Speaker 7: everybody to look into the eyes of the government cheese
Speaker 7: killer before we move on, because I'm telling you this,
Speaker 7: whatever you even met in your head, he looks just
Speaker 7: like that. He looks like a little fucking penciled dick,
Speaker 7: fucking nasty motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want me to pull it up? And
Speaker 2: I got it? I think so here.
Speaker 7: He looks like a young mister Rooney from Ferris Bueller's.
Speaker 9: Day Off.
Speaker 1: The mustache.
Speaker 2: He's gotten this blugshot.
Speaker 1: It's serious.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he So, I just wanted everyone to look into
Speaker 7: the eyes of Randy Kraft, the government She's anus killer
Speaker 7: before we move on with the presentation, because look at
Speaker 7: this guy.
Speaker 10: He has like almost those dead shark eyes, though his
Speaker 10: eyes just seemed really dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And and for me, the thing is, he looks kind
Speaker 7: of kind of spindily almost, and it's like the kind
Speaker 7: of guys he was abducting. They almost have come to
Speaker 7: the conclusion that he would have had to have an
Speaker 7: accomplice because a lot of the crime scenes. There were
Speaker 7: two pairs of footprints where the body was dumped. There
Speaker 7: have been seamen analysis that don't match him, so either
Speaker 7: somebody else killed him, but he has pictures of them,
Speaker 7: so he was there, so he they're thinking that he
Speaker 7: actually might have had an accomplice for all of this,
Speaker 7: in which case I would say a lot of people
Speaker 7: think that the Son of Sam was multiple assailants. A
Speaker 7: lot of people think the Zodiac Killer was multiple assailants.
Speaker 7: A lot of people. So Randy Kraft government, she's ain
Speaker 7: as killer could have been in cooots with someone and
Speaker 7: we may just never know about that because it's all
Speaker 7: part of the program. Stuff you're not supposed to know
Speaker 7: about that. You're not supposed to know about multiple assailants
Speaker 7: carrying this shit out. He could have been working with
Speaker 7: one of the other serial killers who got busted for
Speaker 7: doing these same crimes in and around the same area.
Speaker 7: It's like the Sandman. They met up, they had a
Speaker 7: fucking cheeseburger together, and they went and ripped and ran
Speaker 7: through a couple of dudes beeles and you know, called
Speaker 7: it tonight, like this could be a real club that
Speaker 7: they're in. But I'll let you guys I'll let you
Speaker 7: guys jump in and say whatever before I move on.
Speaker 2: What's like anything that?
Speaker 9: I mean, he looks better than I expected. I guess,
Speaker 9: I don't know, after knowing what he's done. It's kind
Speaker 9: of yeah, that mental image, it.
Speaker 6: Looks like he I don't know, I snuff film all
Speaker 6: over his face.
Speaker 9: Sorry, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I looked up something really quick. It said that his
Speaker 6: dad worked for Douglas Aerospace Company.
Speaker 7: His dad got him a job, obviously, so I think.
Speaker 6: That was already involved in aeronautics of some sort.
Speaker 7: I've said that. I think actually Jeffrey Dahmer's dad helped
Speaker 7: him out a lot because his dad was a scientist
Speaker 7: doing something. His dad got him into taxidermy, and nobody
Speaker 7: can figure out how this guy, Jeffrey Dahmer, who had
Speaker 7: no car, was able to get a five gallon drum
Speaker 7: of acid into his apartment which was on the second floor,
Speaker 7: no elevator, with no help and where did he get
Speaker 7: it from? So I mean I think that he literally
Speaker 7: his dad was helping him the entire time. Who taught
Speaker 7: him about dissolving bones into a big drum acid and
Speaker 7: stuff like that? I don't know, maybe a scientist guy
Speaker 7: his dad was always his fucking cheerleader throughout the whole time,
Speaker 7: every interview, his dad was there.
Speaker 6: His dad was a chemistry guy.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Lisa, you would know. I mean
Speaker 7: it's like, if that's what you're into and your son's
Speaker 7: a serial killer, would you not have some aspect of
Speaker 7: like influence over how he perpetrated the crimes? I mean
Speaker 7: to me, it looks like go ahead.
Speaker 6: Or you know, like whenever we talk about the Laurel
Speaker 6: Canyon kids, their parents were in the military and they
Speaker 6: were serving the country, doing these songs and influencing culture
Speaker 6: and what have you. Right, who's to say that these
Speaker 6: scientists they don't all have to work at a military base.
Speaker 6: They could have had private contracts in their university that
Speaker 6: the respective universities that they worked at, and then they
Speaker 6: were employing their kids kind of, you know, following in
Speaker 6: daddy's footsteps, just like the Laurel Canyon kids did. Yes,
Speaker 6: that's not supposed to happen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, one hundred, one hundred. I'm actually going to close
Speaker 7: this window right here because the sun is getting in
Speaker 7: my abb I'll hang on a second.
Speaker 8: Well, and I'm really excited to kind of hear more
Speaker 8: about the other serial killers that could have potentially been
Speaker 8: helping him, because I think even with Son of Sam,
Speaker 8: I think we give these guys way too much credit
Speaker 8: for them to be just a working alone.
Speaker 1: Yes, not to go back to the show, but like
Speaker 1: Sam and like they were like like exchanging business cards,
Speaker 1: like hey, let's work together, you know, like it was
Speaker 1: like that whole creepy ass network, you know.
Speaker 9: Just yeah, and then you find out that he was
Speaker 9: tied into the Processed Church as well. Yeah, right, and
Speaker 9: he talks about it, you know, and it's like you
Speaker 9: find out who else is tied to? The Processed Church
Speaker 9: is a huge network, and it ties into the Temple
Speaker 9: set of course.
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Aquino, I think so many of us
Speaker 1: know that the places of power controlled by some fucked
Speaker 1: up people, right, I mean that's pretty evident. I think
Speaker 1: all of us here have seen behind that curtain, and
Speaker 1: this just kind of is one of those things, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times Julie did he get there?
Speaker 1: There was multiple reports of him getting pulled over with
Speaker 1: bodies in the car and them not even searching the
Speaker 1: car or whatever, because you know, and I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: you can only act normal and like, oh, I guess officer,
Speaker 1: you know so many times six times?
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you pull a guy over with the mustache
Speaker 7: like that and it smells like dead bee hole in
Speaker 7: the car and you're telling me like nobody ever thought,
Speaker 7: just like Jeffrey Dahmer's apartments, Like nobody smelled anything, nobody
Speaker 7: saw anything. It's like, yeah, as a police officer, are
Speaker 7: you not trained to like use all your five senses
Speaker 7: to like pick up ship? Like is every is every
Speaker 7: police officer really just that incompetent? Or is there something
Speaker 7: going on with this guy?
Speaker 1: So just as well, Sorry, I don't want to cut
Speaker 1: anybody off, but I was also a cop, so were you.
Speaker 1: I there's no, yes, but don't judge.
Speaker 7: Me too late.
Speaker 11: But at the end of the day, like that's that's
Speaker 11: this is like policing one on one and again, you know,
Speaker 11: do we give it a pass because it was like.
Speaker 1: The seventies and it was just weird and.
Speaker 7: Red bodies that smelled this thing from the beginning. At
Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying. But it's like at some point,
Speaker 7: this guy's car had to be a picture because he
Speaker 7: used to carry like photographs of the dead people in
Speaker 7: his car with him, So did somebody. Yeah, nobody saw,
Speaker 7: nobody saw anything. Nobody like you.
Speaker 8: Doc. Well, I think that maybe as far as you know,
Speaker 8: having so many run ins with police, like you said,
Speaker 8: you can only act normal so many times.
Speaker 10: But what if you know you're not going to go
Speaker 10: to jail, you're not going to be arrested. You have
Speaker 10: that confidence that you're going to be let out.
Speaker 7: Of course, you're going.
Speaker 8: To be calm, cool and collected, even when you have
Speaker 8: a decapitated corpse because you know you're going to be
Speaker 8: out in three hours or twelve hours.
Speaker 10: They're not going to.
Speaker 1: Hold you because they right, your buddy's the ada on shift.
Speaker 7: That's the thing. And that's why I think they were
Speaker 7: so brazen a lot of the time, especially Ted Bundy.
Speaker 7: I mean he escaped from prison twice. Twice. You escape
Speaker 7: from prison, it's like this guy knows, you know, like
Speaker 7: there's something up here. So the two other guys that
Speaker 7: were ripping and running through Dude's buttholes in and around
Speaker 7: the same time as Randy Craft. The first guy's name,
Speaker 7: he was also known as the Freeway Killer, just like
Speaker 7: Randy Craft. His name is Patrick Wayne Kirk. And I'm
Speaker 7: not sure if you guys have ever heard of this guy,
Speaker 7: but he's a prolific serial killer out of the sixties
Speaker 7: as well. That just like Randy Craft, was from southern California,
Speaker 7: and he murdered by dismembering, disemboweling, and cutting his victim's
Speaker 7: hearts and lungs out, And he's known to have killed
Speaker 7: at least twenty eight young men in this way. He
Speaker 7: raped them and then he would dismember them, disembowel them,
Speaker 7: and just like Randy Craft, it's like, how do you tell?
Speaker 7: And then he would dump them on the side of
Speaker 7: the freeway. How do you tell who's doing what? When
Speaker 7: you got two guys in southern California who are both gay,
Speaker 7: ripping and running through young men in various ways, and
Speaker 7: you look at Patrick Kearney and it's like, Okay, what
Speaker 7: are the other similarities. Patrick Kearney was in the air
Speaker 7: just like Randy Craft. Patrick Kearney was highly intelligent, and
Speaker 7: he spent a lot of time stationed at some type
Speaker 7: of Air Force base in Texas, where he became best
Speaker 7: friends with Lee Harvey Oswald. I can't make this shit up,
Speaker 7: you guys.
Speaker 10: Of course he did.
Speaker 7: After Patrick Kearney joins the Air Force, he is sent
Speaker 7: to Dallas, Texas, and he befriends Lee Harvey Oswald and
Speaker 7: they go to language school together. They become best friends,
Speaker 7: and he has he said that he drove Lee Harvey
Speaker 7: Osweald to the Mexican border and went to Mexico City
Speaker 7: with him on top secret operations, then returned to California
Speaker 7: to rip and run through dude's buttholes with Randy Craft
Speaker 7: also in the area, shoving socks up people's bee holes.
Speaker 7: And it's like, Okay, what are some other weird things
Speaker 7: about Patrick Kearney that fit the program to kill Blueprint?
Speaker 7: When he returned to California before he started his murder spree,
Speaker 7: he bought a yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he used to
Speaker 7: pick up all of his victims, just like fucking Ted Bundy.
Speaker 7: So it's like, come on, you guys, is that just
Speaker 7: the murder vehicle? That's just so random. He's friends with
Speaker 7: Lee Harvey Oswald, he's in the Air Force, he's ripping
Speaker 7: and running through dude's buttholes. He has a yellow Volkswagen Beetle,
Speaker 7: just like Ted Bundy. I mean yeah, he's just checking
Speaker 7: all the boxes literally literally. So he was also a necrophile,
Speaker 7: something that Randy Kraft did not do that Patrick Kearney
Speaker 7: was involved with, but much like Ted Bundy, he was
Speaker 7: into necrophilia. And it's kind of like I said at
Speaker 7: the beginning of this episode, you got to understand that
Speaker 7: there's like this governmental program aspect of it, but there's
Speaker 7: also a lot of ritualism. And I think that there's
Speaker 7: a lot of ritualism in the way that they killed
Speaker 7: their victims. I think there's a lot of ritualism and
Speaker 7: necrophilia and a lot of the like taking the hearts
Speaker 7: out of the victims, you know, doing this stuff. It's
Speaker 7: significant to them. And you know, just the fact that
Speaker 7: he's documented as being friends with Lee Harvey Oswald. It
Speaker 7: should bother people, you know, because this guy was getting
Speaker 7: away with it for a really long time, just like
Speaker 7: Randy Kraft was, and they couldn't even tell the victims
Speaker 7: apart they were so similar. Tell me, these two didn't
Speaker 7: know about each other. They had to have. And then
Speaker 7: in nineteen sixty eight, the third guy pops up and
Speaker 7: his name is William Bonnan. He was also referred to
Speaker 7: as the Freeway Killer. So Randy Craft, Patrick Kearney and
Speaker 7: William Bonnen were all known as the Freeway Killer. They
Speaker 7: all were raping and torturing and murdering boys in southern California,
Speaker 7: and he's he confessed to twenty one murders. And he
Speaker 7: was also specifically in the Air Force. Around the same time,
Speaker 7: Patrick Kearney and Randy Craft were in southern California perpetrating
Speaker 7: almost identical crimes as each other and was able to
Speaker 7: get away with it from nineteen sixty eight until nineteen eighty. So,
Speaker 7: I mean, you guys, it's too much. It's too much.
Speaker 7: What are your thoughts on this so far?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is almost like too much to be coincidence,
Speaker 1: you know, freaking wild sprout.
Speaker 7: I've never heard of him, all three of them or one.
Speaker 9: Just just the main guy, but I mean, yeah, all
Speaker 9: three of them, even looking into serial killers, I've never
Speaker 9: he's never crossed my path so well.
Speaker 7: Out of this southern California area, The Golden State Killer,
Speaker 7: also military. Right southern California, there was a guy named
Speaker 7: Lonnie David Franklin Junior, known as the Grim Sleeper, also military.
Speaker 7: He started murdering in and around nineteen eighty five. Richard Ramirez,
Speaker 7: did you guys, do you guys know about the military
Speaker 7: connection with Richard Ramirez.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 7: Okay, let me tell you what I found. Would you
Speaker 7: say name?
Speaker 2: I know, I've come across it somehow, I don't remember
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 7: So people people don't actually relate Richard Ramirez as having
Speaker 7: military connections. But I found this interesting little article on him,
Speaker 7: and it says that at the age of twelve, Richard
Speaker 7: Ramirez was taken under the wing of his older cousin
Speaker 7: named Mike Vales, who was a soldier in the US
Speaker 7: Army who himself had become a serial killer and a
Speaker 7: rapist during his service in the Vietnam War. And Valis
Speaker 7: often boasted of committing gruesome war crimes in Vietnam and
Speaker 7: shared polaroid photos with young Ramirez showing Vietnamese women who
Speaker 7: he had raped, murdered, dismembered, and decapitated. So, in my opinion,
Speaker 7: he has military esque connections right because his role model,
Speaker 7: his older cousin, Miguel Mike Vallas, was in the US
Speaker 7: Army during Laurel Canyon, right Vietnam shit dismembering, disemboweling, and
Speaker 7: decapitating women's heads off, and this is who Richard Dramirez
Speaker 7: grew up as his role model. So to me that counts.
Speaker 7: That's like a sub sect of the program to Kill Academy.
Speaker 6: It's weird stuff, Julia I fi, Yes, go ahead really quickly.
Speaker 6: In that you talked about how these three, these three
Speaker 6: men were they all air Force?
Speaker 7: Yes, all three.
Speaker 6: So we have the Air Force being created in nineteen
Speaker 6: forty seven. It is an offshoot of the Navy. It's
Speaker 6: brand new, and they're doing a lot of testing. They're
Speaker 6: doing a lot of experimentation. A lot of the guys
Speaker 6: of some of Los Alamo's, the Atomic Commission and all
Speaker 6: that other stuff is kind of in this whole realm
Speaker 6: esque of things. And if you hear about Los Alamo's,
Speaker 6: you know it's not just looking for the splitting of
Speaker 6: the atom there. We're doing all kinds of other stuff
Speaker 6: as well. And then you have the that you made
Speaker 6: with Lee Harvey Oswald. And I think Nick and I
Speaker 6: kind of flirted with the idea of doing a show
Speaker 6: on this because Lee Harvey Oswald has intense connections to
Speaker 6: have never left the military. He was always doing some
Speaker 6: sort of secret op with the military. He comes from
Speaker 6: a prominent family. He was also involved in the testing
Speaker 6: in a medical government contracted facility in New Orleans where
Speaker 6: they developed a weapon to potentially kill Fidel Castro in
Speaker 6: the form of fast acting cancer vaccine. He is very
Speaker 6: intimately related with that entire project, as too far that
Speaker 6: the girl he was dating at the time who was
Speaker 6: doing the experiment, they were dating, so he was there.
Speaker 6: So you have the Texas Louisiana connection, you have the
Speaker 6: military connection, you have the experimentation, you have going down
Speaker 6: to Mexico. You have all of that, and then now
Speaker 6: serial killers who were in the Air Force and you're
Speaker 6: having the Air Force and all kinds of testing. I
Speaker 6: don't know that you need any more connections.
Speaker 7: I'm with you, Lisa one hundred. I mean, you painted
Speaker 7: a beautiful picture of what I think even Brooke and
Speaker 7: Bennett and Jules would agree is this is definitely by design.
Speaker 7: This is an experiment. They're figuring shit out right. It's
Speaker 7: all part of this Laurel Canyon esque era. And I
Speaker 7: think that the music scene and the serial killer scene
Speaker 7: are there projects that they were interested in in pursuing
Speaker 7: during this time. They were the training wheels for what
Speaker 7: was to come. I mean, look at how serial killers
Speaker 7: and how music has changed since then it's like they
Speaker 7: just it gets worse with time, it doesn't get better.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 7: I wish the CIA would come back and fix some
Speaker 7: shit up because I'm so fucking sick of like Lady
Speaker 7: Gaga and stuff like that, like bring back like the
Speaker 7: Laurel Canyon, Jim Morrison ship, I love Betters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like since eighty nine, the amount of serial
Speaker 1: killers is just gone straight down.
Speaker 7: Oh god, yeah, I would love I would love a
Speaker 7: renaissance ofthing.
Speaker 1: Not that they've gone away or anything. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that it's way less since nineteen eighty nine. That seems
Speaker 1: to be the tipping year.
Speaker 8: So here's a question for you. So, how many of
Speaker 8: these serial killers do you think are organic? And like
Speaker 8: just hypothetically in how money are by design, like.
Speaker 7: If I had to put a percentage on it, like
Speaker 7: you know I have in my lifetime, which I'm not
Speaker 7: older any shit like that. But I've never met a
Speaker 7: serial killer. I've never known anyone who has meta serial killer.
Speaker 7: So it's like it makes you wonder how many of
Speaker 7: them there actually are or if the numbers are inflated,
Speaker 7: and how many of them are organic?
Speaker 5: So yeah, and have these strange connections you know, it's yeah,
Speaker 5: they all seem to have these strange connections, and so
Speaker 5: it's kind of like, you know, does it just a
Speaker 5: natural I mean, psychopaths obviously exist, but to go so
Speaker 5: far as to, you know, do what some of these
Speaker 5: guys do, it's just I don't know.
Speaker 7: I want to say, like maybe ten maybe ten percent.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys could agree with me,
Speaker 7: but maybe ten percent are just random psychos that like
Speaker 7: murder their mom or something.
Speaker 9: I'd say ten percent or less. Yeah, yeah, like Ed Kemper,
Speaker 9: did he have any ties to the military or anything, or.
Speaker 1: Probably it seems like there is a lot right of
Speaker 1: folks tied to the military. Now, the one thing I
Speaker 1: am going to say about that is that you do
Speaker 1: have an an exorbitant amount of psychopaths in the military,
Speaker 1: and they can go one of two ways. So it's
Speaker 1: just like, I'm sorry too, but the way the cops are,
Speaker 1: cops are just their psychological profiles are right on that
Speaker 1: razor's edge of either you can neither be a cop
Speaker 1: for good or you can just be a fucking psychopath murderer,
Speaker 1: like the perfect criminal.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying all cops, I'm saying a lot
Speaker 1: of them psychologically, especially you have those guys in the military,
Speaker 1: especially guys and special ops who frankly a lot of
Speaker 1: them are and we all know who they are that
Speaker 1: are there for not because they love God and country.
Speaker 1: They're there because of clout or because they frankly want
Speaker 1: to kill people or they we everyone that's been in
Speaker 1: the military knows one of those guys. So it's like, so,
Speaker 1: do those psychopaths just live and then and then if
Speaker 1: they go to war and get broken by ship that
Speaker 1: they have to do or whatever, does that just exacerbate things?
Speaker 1: Who knows, I don't know. I'm just thinking of psychological trauma.
Speaker 1: Is trauma is a crazy thing, and so said too.
Speaker 1: It also maybe they do some bad ship and then
Speaker 1: that opens the door for them to get corrupted by
Speaker 1: whoever or whatever.
Speaker 9: Physical or non physical entity, right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, Doc brought it up in the thing. It sounds like,
Speaker 1: you know, terrestrial spirits sometimes, like some of these things
Speaker 1: like fuckers do some wicked shit and open some crazy
Speaker 1: fucking doors and let in some crazy stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: because when you get bored in the military too, they
Speaker 1: just do dumb shit. It's teenagers doing dumb shit.
Speaker 7: I think if you're if you're highly functioning enough and
Speaker 7: it's and it's scouted out early enough, yes, that they
Speaker 7: will choose very young men to be you know, used
Speaker 7: in unspecified capacities, inducted into the military.
Speaker 1: And so many of these people and again I'll say it,
Speaker 1: it was brought up in the chat adults that were
Speaker 1: bullied as kids flexing now like flexing, Oh we've got
Speaker 1: the power. Now. You see that a lot with police officers,
Speaker 1: you see that a lot with the military folk and
Speaker 1: people in power, and then they just get addicted to that. Right,
Speaker 1: So I mean, but.
Speaker 7: To the point, but to the point of murdering is
Speaker 7: what we're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. Now, it's crazy.
Speaker 7: And because a serial killer or.
Speaker 1: Just yeah it's possible.
Speaker 7: Still, I still would say it's only ten percent. Are
Speaker 7: the ones you're talking about like maybe from a young
Speaker 7: age or like you know, a power.
Speaker 1: Saying I'm saying that they there's an MO right, Definitely,
Speaker 1: people that can be manipulated. Yeah, the folks and the
Speaker 1: people that that we've been talking about and that you've
Speaker 1: been alluding to the fact that they're controlled. That's how
Speaker 1: they recruit them anyway, because they can be molded and
Speaker 1: manipulated and twisted and boom, there you go.
Speaker 7: Well, you know who else? I think it's like I
Speaker 7: think I think cops, military, surgeons, and doctors. I think they.
Speaker 1: Many serial killers were doctors.
Speaker 7: You heard of that one doctor who was literally running
Speaker 7: around fucking murdering the shit out of people.
Speaker 1: I have won the I have one in my hometown
Speaker 1: in Connecticut family he put his whole family through a
Speaker 1: wood chipper.
Speaker 2: There's been a few of them that were also just interested.
Speaker 2: And I found this interesting because because of certain things,
Speaker 2: like when it comes to the occult, you know, we've
Speaker 2: me and Lisa have covered like you know, there's books
Speaker 2: back in like the sixteen seventeen hundreds of people are
Speaker 2: drawing like detailed ship and it's just like, how are
Speaker 2: you coming across that and probably fucking cutting open dead
Speaker 2: bodies or whatever, you know, who knows what's going on?
Speaker 2: And like in the movie Front Hell, Like in the
Speaker 2: movie from Hell, they show kind of like Freemason's cutting
Speaker 2: people open and looking at him and stuff, and that
Speaker 2: Jack the rip a movie. But like, I, uh, fuck, oh,
Speaker 2: you know how many there there has been a few
Speaker 2: serial killers, And I've just wondered like it's just like
Speaker 2: some weird shit that's like common and maybe is the
Speaker 2: occult somehow interest you know, involved in it where they're
Speaker 2: very interested in cutting people open and seeing their insights.
Speaker 2: There's been a few of them that even say that, like.
Speaker 7: The taking of the heart out taken of like the
Speaker 7: like Jack the Ripper, one of the very first serial
Speaker 7: killers to ever By the way, definitely if Programmed to
Speaker 7: Kill was around for that time period, fucking Jack the
Speaker 7: Ripper would have been one of them, because I have
Speaker 7: heard that it was like Auster Crowleys.
Speaker 9: I've heard he was he was the English Lord. He
Speaker 9: was part of one of those bloodlines, and they just
Speaker 9: kind of let him out on the loose at at night.
Speaker 9: We're just like he'll come back in the morning.
Speaker 7: Also heard that he was acting on behalf of the
Speaker 7: one Petrova what's her name. Yes, she was acting on
Speaker 7: her behalf because she was actually more popular.
Speaker 9: He was kind of doing these these kind of uh
Speaker 9: you know, these murders as these rituals in the field,
Speaker 9: and she was maybe doing the incantations and stuff behind
Speaker 9: the scenes.
Speaker 7: I mean she was the mind behind the murder.
Speaker 9: The magic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you look at the victims there were certain
Speaker 6: victims that had missing body parts.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Female, it was almost like a stuck curement.
Speaker 9: Were they making a Franken style?
Speaker 7: It was like uterus tits, like weird stuff like that.
Speaker 7: They would they were removing that like specifically.
Speaker 2: You could look it up right now, or they.
Speaker 9: Were trying to make some weird timunculus or something.
Speaker 2: Uh, you could look it up now on the internet
Speaker 2: if people you know, want to check it out. Alison
Speaker 2: Crowley blames Helena Bolovotsky for Jacks the River.
Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying, Nick, Like, there's always an aspect
Speaker 7: of this that's magical.
Speaker 2: He said that other people were doing it for like
Speaker 2: a ritual of some sort of shit.
Speaker 7: But when you look at like modern day serial killers,
Speaker 7: don't you get that same vibe. Like with Jeffrey he
Speaker 7: wanted to. He said, I want to build an altar
Speaker 7: out of the bones. I want to build an altar
Speaker 7: with the skulls and the bones and the He was
Speaker 7: like all pain black and I'm going to turn this
Speaker 7: guy's skull into a lamp and like do all this
Speaker 7: stuff with it. And then he said he couldn't get
Speaker 7: charged up to like go murder people unless he watched
Speaker 7: The Exorcist Part three or some shit like that, and
Speaker 7: like he would wear yellow contacts and he would do
Speaker 7: all this. It's like to me, there's a lot of virtualism.
Speaker 6: But it's almost like why does he need to get
Speaker 6: charged up? I thought you would if you're a serial killer,
Speaker 6: you automatically just do it on the fly. I mean
Speaker 6: like it's on it's on drip right, like you know,
Speaker 6: you don't need to get charged up for it.
Speaker 7: Like he's he should be juiced up and ready to
Speaker 7: go at all times.
Speaker 6: Like you got you got, you know, your to do list,
Speaker 6: you got your honey do list for the week, and
Speaker 6: you're like, crap, no, I have to go do this?
Speaker 7: Well you in Oh, go ahead, brit.
Speaker 10: I was going to ask, have you guys seen the
Speaker 10: show The Hunting Party?
Speaker 9: I have not?
Speaker 8: Okay, So when you were talking about, uh, you know,
Speaker 8: potentially big players involved. Basically, the premise of the show
Speaker 8: is it's about serial killers who either go to jail
Speaker 8: or get caught, and they're supposedly say they get the
Speaker 8: death penalty or go to jail, but really they're taken
Speaker 8: to this black CIA site where they run testing on
Speaker 8: them and they're not really dead, and long story short,
Speaker 8: it's it ties back to the Attorney General who's actually
Speaker 8: running this site, and they're running tests on these serial
Speaker 8: killers and somebody like explodes this silo and they all escape,
Speaker 8: and then it's up to this like CIA Black Ops
Speaker 8: teem to go procure them all because they want to
Speaker 8: test their empathy. They want to test to see if
Speaker 8: they can cure them or fix them or Wow.
Speaker 7: I really thought outside the box on that one. Like
Speaker 7: I wonder where they got their fucking inspiration from, don't
Speaker 7: It's like, you know what I'm saying, But that's just
Speaker 7: that's just real life stuff. Like sometimes I watch a
Speaker 7: show and it's supposed to be like fantasy or whatever,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, dude, that no, that's real, like that
Speaker 7: Black Mirror shit. No, sorry, that's our reality right now,
Speaker 7: Like we're living in American horror story. This is all real,
Speaker 7: you know, murderers, witches all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they're doing anyway.
Speaker 7: So yeah, And actually I wanted to mention as one
Speaker 7: of the other serial killers that I want to talk
Speaker 7: about eventually with you guys, is that dating game killer
Speaker 7: came out of Southern California as well. In the sixties,
Speaker 7: also military background and he was said to be uh
Speaker 7: he had like a genius IQ and shit. And he
Speaker 7: went on to study film under Roman Polanski. Shocker, and
Speaker 7: he found his way onto the Dating Game Show, one
Speaker 7: of the most popular shows on television back then. So
Speaker 7: you tell me there's not some type of connections with
Speaker 7: these fucking guys. The Dating Game Killer murdered like one
Speaker 7: hundred and thirty women and he was friends with Roman
Speaker 7: Polayan skis from southern California. He was in the military.
Speaker 7: He has a genius level IQ. He found his way
Speaker 7: onto the Dating game show and he won that round
Speaker 7: of the dating game And it's like, that's why they
Speaker 7: made a movie about it on Netflix because that girl
Speaker 7: refused to go out with him even after he she
Speaker 7: picked him because she said he gave me the creeps.
Speaker 7: That just goes to show you a woman's intuition. But
Speaker 7: that guy definitely checks all the boxes for program to kill.
Speaker 8: And Randy Kraft didn't he have a really high IQ
Speaker 8: as well, like one hundred and half twenty nine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, don't they always have a really high IQ? Most
Speaker 6: serial killers have. I think high IQ.
Speaker 7: I think that's the that's that's what they look for.
Speaker 7: I think that's their preference. I think John Wayne Gacy
Speaker 7: was halfway retarded.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's IQ.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, you know, there's been a couple where I've
Speaker 7: been like, were you like the last pick? You know,
Speaker 7: like everybody else you know, and it's like I have
Speaker 7: to pick what I guess I'll take.
Speaker 8: That's class D.
Speaker 7: Yeah, class D right, yes, yes, yes, There's been a
Speaker 7: couple of serial killers that have been like, how the
Speaker 7: fuck did you even murder anybody? You're so stupid.
Speaker 6: It would be like setting apex predators in that they
Speaker 6: are not necessarily killing for survival, they're killing just to kill.
Speaker 6: And the fact that they are high IQ. That that
Speaker 6: pretty much, I mean, I would think constitutes apex predator predation.
Speaker 7: Well, you know who else kind of fits this mold.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys have heard of him,
Speaker 7: but his name was HERB. Baumeister, and he took a
Speaker 7: bunch of he was gay serial killer that took a
Speaker 7: bunch of guys back to his house and said, you know,
Speaker 7: I'll give you some drinks and you can swim in
Speaker 7: my indoor swimming pool, and then he would drown him
Speaker 7: in the pool and do all kinds of weird stuff
Speaker 7: to him. William Ramsey actually talks about her Bowmeister because
Speaker 7: he's another one that fits the program to kill model.
Speaker 7: And I'm pretty sure he has a military background. I'm
Speaker 7: not sure if he's from California, but he said to
Speaker 7: be like genius level IQ type of guy. He was
Speaker 7: a family man, had kids on the side, was a
Speaker 7: gay serial killer. Like where do they where do they
Speaker 7: find these guys? Like literally.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah to Briggs question, I think prior to nineteen forties,
Speaker 6: think if we were a serial killer, you're probably organic
Speaker 6: a part. But after that I think you were astroturfed
Speaker 6: potential to be. That's that's what I think.
Speaker 7: Well, so, Government She's Anus Killer is still alive. Actually
Speaker 7: he's on death row. If you want to write him
Speaker 7: a letter, tell him you you know, tell tell him
Speaker 7: you listen to a rather interesting episode about him on
Speaker 7: a podcast and just wanted to know. I heard you
Speaker 7: were the Government She's Anus Killer. Please let me know
Speaker 7: if you are c I a or and ormentary and candidate.
Speaker 7: Thank you, and you know, we'll see before the grim
Speaker 7: Reaper comes for him on death row if he ever
Speaker 7: fesses up. He still says he has no memory of
Speaker 7: his crimes. Yeah, I mean that, that to me is
Speaker 7: really interesting. If that's true and he has no memory
Speaker 7: of doing any of that's like, what type of deep
Speaker 7: programming shit are you on that you just don't remember?
Speaker 7: And he will stand by that that he just doesn't
Speaker 7: remember any of it.
Speaker 1: So I find it crazy too that the most active
Speaker 1: period of serial killers in the US is between nineteen
Speaker 1: seventies and nineteen nineties. Specifically, the eighties saw the highest
Speaker 1: number of active serial killers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think were they?
Speaker 6: I think so?
Speaker 1: And some of the most well known serial killers operated
Speaker 1: during peak period, Bundy Dahmer, Miras Kasey Kemper, all these
Speaker 1: guys crazy.
Speaker 10: Don't forget the research into a lady in there.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, that's another one, the guy that made
Speaker 7: lamps out of people's Uhed Dean for skins and shit,
Speaker 7: Yeah Ed Dean. Yeah, they're supposed to be doing a
Speaker 7: Netflix documentary thing on that guy, with the same guy
Speaker 7: that did Dahmer, Evan Peters. I think he's supposed to
Speaker 7: be playing ed Gian in an upcoming You know, it's
Speaker 7: always like the ones that gets face realized he is fucked,
Speaker 7: But in.
Speaker 9: My opinion, that guy Psyche is gone, like from him
Speaker 9: being on American Horror Story to portraying all the characters
Speaker 9: he did on there than Dohmer. Now this, yeah, man,
Speaker 9: that guy's cooked.
Speaker 7: He probably is. But I just think there's got to
Speaker 7: be more to this story if they want to make
Speaker 7: a docuseries on Netflix about it, just like The Menindas Brothers,
Speaker 7: there's more to that story.
Speaker 1: Too, And it's crazy. Like the seventies you have three
Speaker 1: hundred individuals active serial killers, right yeah, the eighties was
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty and then from by the twenty
Speaker 1: tens you were down to fifty. And that's I mean,
Speaker 1: of course these numbers are you know what what they what?
Speaker 1: They they think they know?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 11: What?
Speaker 1: A decline? That's insane, Like I mean, it just shows
Speaker 1: what was happening exactly. And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Mastered it and they moved on.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Mean one hundred. I think I think the sixties were
Speaker 7: the training wheels. The eighties were like boom, now we
Speaker 7: really got it, and then it was like, okay, now
Speaker 7: now that we've you know, mastered this, let's move on
Speaker 7: to new Yeah, bigger and better things.
Speaker 1: Who knows, you could have gone to different countries.
Speaker 8: Too, just saying right that, and I think they've taken
Speaker 8: their sacrifices up to a whole new scale.
Speaker 2: There you go, different, different road.
Speaker 7: With the mass murder, Sandy Hook and call them bye.
Speaker 7: You know. Oh, they could have also diverted their attention
Speaker 7: to these weird cult scenes. We got Waco, we got
Speaker 7: I mean so yeah, after the eighties, things started to
Speaker 7: look a little bit different, but the body count didn't change.
Speaker 2: I was even gonna say, I wonder if some of
Speaker 2: the serial killers have higher body counts near the end,
Speaker 2: but less of them.
Speaker 1: And also we got into two giant wars. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: yeh ye talk about body counts. I'm not saying our
Speaker 1: guys necessarily either.
Speaker 6: How much of it has gone online? And you don't know?
Speaker 8: Yeah right, you know, well yeah we know every media
Speaker 8: tells us, so if it's not being reported, you wouldn't
Speaker 8: know unless you know where to look.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I oh, go ahead, Lisa.
Speaker 6: Just real quick, sorry, Julia, I don't can't sorry about
Speaker 6: interrupting the whole episode. Just it's so exciting. The entire
Speaker 6: the entire content is just so exciting.
Speaker 7: I loved but everything you said, how they all have
Speaker 7: military background.
Speaker 6: The commonality with the serial killers at this timeframe, all
Speaker 6: have commonality of being in the military. If we look
Speaker 6: at these mass murderers, especially some of the people that
Speaker 6: are involved with with big shootings and what have you,
Speaker 6: they all wore under surveillance of FBI, every single one
Speaker 6: of them. So there is a commonality with some of
Speaker 6: these signatures that there there's a thread, right, So it's
Speaker 6: almost like it has the signature that you're looking for
Speaker 6: in the serial killers or these mass murderers. Probably is
Speaker 6: behind the payroll.
Speaker 2: That thread run through the cults too. Oh, the FBI
Speaker 2: was watching, I was watching.
Speaker 6: Where are their pensions coming from?
Speaker 7: Yes, Lisa, definitely, I mean you nailed it. Where is
Speaker 7: the money? And like some of this stuff, the med
Speaker 7: a taken?
Speaker 9: Well, they have a job and then a lot a
Speaker 9: lot of these feds end up going missing later committing
Speaker 9: suicide or you know that it's uh, I don't know, yeah, okay, Well, and.
Speaker 7: It's like how did they if you really look back
Speaker 7: in time, it's like how did they sustain their lifestyle?
Speaker 7: Because Jeffrey Dahmer was supposed to have worked at like
Speaker 7: a chocolate factory during the day, and like, I had
Speaker 7: all this money to buy five gallon drums of acid,
Speaker 7: power tools, rent for his apartment, and do all these
Speaker 7: He's working part time at a fucking chocolate factory. He's
Speaker 7: taken dudes out to bars every single night. He's got
Speaker 7: money for drugs, He's got money for alcohol. He's got
Speaker 7: It's like, who's.
Speaker 9: Something with Columbine and all the guns at Columbine. It's like,
Speaker 9: how did those kids get those guns? You know what
Speaker 9: I mean? And all that AMMO the like, No, it
Speaker 9: was given to them, it has.
Speaker 7: To be right. It's like, where are they getting the
Speaker 7: fucking funds?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how truthful this is. I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess I'd have to ask somebody that was in
Speaker 2: the Vietnam War. But when you watch it portrayed on
Speaker 2: TV or in the movies, you see these people living
Speaker 2: in like mud huts, but yet they're like shooting helicopters.
Speaker 2: Don Who the how the fuck did you even get
Speaker 2: those weapons?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 2: Someone gave it to him obviously. If that's the case,
Speaker 2: somebody funded these people too. I mean, all you do
Speaker 2: is you drop off a creative fucking shit. Somebody's gonna
Speaker 2: start touching with him, playing with it. Just do have
Speaker 2: a helicopter, Just drop it in the village.
Speaker 7: There you go have fun, right or I mean it's like,
Speaker 7: do you guys ever remember Ted Bundy ever having a
Speaker 7: job ever? Like, did it ever say? He worked part
Speaker 7: time at Wendy's. He shined shoes at a train station, Like,
Speaker 7: did he ever have a fucking job ever? But he's
Speaker 7: able to buy train and plane tickets to Florida, He's
Speaker 7: able to live in multiple areas of the US, Florida, Oregon, Washington, Colorado.
Speaker 7: He's always on the move. He's always staying at luxury
Speaker 7: hotels and shit.
Speaker 9: About them that he came from the family, that Bundy family,
Speaker 9: you know, which is a well known American Illuminati bloodline.
Speaker 9: So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: His dad was definitely military, so maybe.
Speaker 9: He did come from that bloodline and they were just
Speaker 9: well to do but still getting funded.
Speaker 7: You know, somebody's funding this ship, somebody's given them stuff.
Speaker 7: I mean, the second I see a Netflix movie or
Speaker 7: documentary pop up about a serial killer, I immediately want
Speaker 7: to start looking into them because it's like, oh, this
Speaker 7: is one of yours, right, this is the this is
Speaker 7: one of the it's like it kind of makes me
Speaker 7: want to look at Scott Peterson. It kind of makes
Speaker 7: me want to look at you know. I talked to
Speaker 7: JJ about o J and I learned a lot of
Speaker 7: interesting information because it's like these ones that get propped up. Please,
Speaker 7: for the love of God, look into him, because you
Speaker 7: will find stuff that will rock your fucking world. It
Speaker 7: will make you look at everything differently. And it's like
Speaker 7: they got Zach Effron to play Ted Bundy, like really
Speaker 7: like one of the sexiest guys of all time, so
Speaker 7: you fan what fantasize about him. It's a weird job.
Speaker 7: He like there's like a sexualization to it though, right,
Speaker 7: like why would you pick such a handsome man to
Speaker 7: put And.
Speaker 9: It was wasn't Bundy. He's supposed to be like handsome
Speaker 9: or whatever, like that era or whatever.
Speaker 7: He would he wouldn't know, Zach Effron.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It was weird though. Like now when you want to
Speaker 2: get into like the true crimeer nowadays, you had like
Speaker 2: supposedly mad crazy chicks are going nuts for fucking kid
Speaker 2: from Idaho four and it's like, Yo, that dude was
Speaker 2: a fucking fucked up.
Speaker 7: Looking for people who said the Columbine One of the
Speaker 7: Columbine was attractive. Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 2: People who are attracted to sick folks? Well, it could
Speaker 2: really mean is that just Humanity's at that point right
Speaker 2: now there's women who get off on right and it's.
Speaker 8: Just become so desensitized. And I think I used to
Speaker 8: be really big into the true crime. I used to
Speaker 8: love listening to true crime podcasts, and I think I
Speaker 8: just got to this point where I'm like, I just
Speaker 8: can't consume it as much anymore, looking into such a
Speaker 8: dark psyche like that, And it's like, you're right, all
Speaker 8: of these crime shows are so mass produced.
Speaker 10: It's these documentaries and people like drool over it and
Speaker 10: feed over it, and it's kind of I've gotten to
Speaker 10: a point now.
Speaker 8: Where I'm kind of disgusted by it, Like how people
Speaker 8: get so excited over I know, you're talking about the
Speaker 8: guy who remember the guy who killed his family? I
Speaker 8: think can't remember his name, and then he had that
Speaker 8: girlfriend on the side and he literally killed his baby girls.
Speaker 8: Uh in the oil fields, Chris Chris Watts, He's another
Speaker 8: one of those women go crazy over.
Speaker 10: And I just think that the way that true crime
Speaker 10: is pushed out in this murder and you know, just
Speaker 10: all this girls, it's just gross.
Speaker 1: How much you start idolizes They idolized it.
Speaker 7: Yes, it idolizes it. And to me, like, I'm with
Speaker 7: because I used to I used to watch the crime shows.
Speaker 7: I used to listen to crime junkies podcasts. I used
Speaker 7: to listen to it. There was a girl that I
Speaker 7: used to follow on YouTube that would do her makeup
Speaker 7: and like talk about serial killers and ship She's real cute.
Speaker 7: But the problem is, it's like, and I don't want
Speaker 7: to sound like I'm better than anyone, but it's like,
Speaker 7: you're not giving people the full truth when you talk
Speaker 7: about this stuff. If you're not going to mention that
Speaker 7: these are most likely by design murderers who have been
Speaker 7: turned against their own people and created by secret military programs,
Speaker 7: I mean, it's like you're sensationalizing the death part and
Speaker 7: the murder part and the killer part, but you're not
Speaker 7: talking about where they came from or why they even exist.
Speaker 7: Because until like the sixties, nobody was worried about you know, hey,
Speaker 7: did you make sure the front door is locked? We
Speaker 7: don't want fucking Richard Ramirez to come in here and
Speaker 7: rape grandma, Like nobody was talking about that. So, I mean,
Speaker 7: if you're going to get into the true crime, you
Speaker 7: have to back it up with where it potentially came from.
Speaker 7: The whole serial killer movement. Much like the Laurel Canyons.
Speaker 7: It's a setup and you know we've we've fallen for
Speaker 7: it totally.
Speaker 6: And how much money it has generated as a genre.
Speaker 12: Yes, and energy, oh, energy, you know, there's even I've
Speaker 12: even mentioned this with Uh it's about with Lisa.
Speaker 2: Uh, just talking about the podcast in general, just like
Speaker 2: sometimes like either the show not going through so much
Speaker 2: growing pains, but maybe like me deciding like what do
Speaker 2: I really want to do? What do I enjoy doing?
Speaker 2: And I had said at one point, even with the
Speaker 2: True Crime, I said, it's almost like uncomfortable because it's
Speaker 2: like you are kind of like pimping out, like real
Speaker 2: fucked up shit, and like at one point, yeah, and
Speaker 2: I was like and at one point, like when the
Speaker 2: show first started, that was a different co host that
Speaker 2: I had, and they were very much geared to like
Speaker 2: always covering pedophilia shit, you know, very like hashtag save
Speaker 2: the children type dude. And even that ship was sorry
Speaker 2: to get to me because I was like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is just like fucking like something like yeah, it's like yo,
Speaker 2: like I'm not for nothing, but I was just like
Speaker 2: putting this ship out. I'm gonna fucking break the internet
Speaker 2: and stop it from happening, Like what the fuck? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Just after a while, it's like this
Speaker 2: is just weird and just that crime. It's just like
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted. I mean, I know we're doing
Speaker 2: a true crime now, but like if people were to
Speaker 2: kind of look at how the show was in the beginning, uh,
Speaker 2: I could definitely see that it definitely changed with that.
Speaker 2: I think it was like a little too much. I
Speaker 2: just looked at it as kind of like a little weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I just hate I'm gonna be totally honored with
Speaker 2: you people that are huge into both. I'm just throwing
Speaker 2: it out there every cult minded and that sort of
Speaker 2: get me wounded out to just be totally.
Speaker 9: Honestly, Yeah, I think it's good to take it in
Speaker 9: small doses. That's why, you know, my show is not
Speaker 9: mainly about true crime or the pair of political realm,
Speaker 9: but I still you know, I produce a show every
Speaker 9: Tuesday that dives into Mark Mark newtrou and the process
Speaker 9: and Temple is city, you know, so I get my
Speaker 9: feel of all that stuff, but yeah, I feel you
Speaker 9: on just like the constant consuming of it. I couldn't
Speaker 9: do it and I couldn't talk about it like that either.
Speaker 2: Well even for me, it was just like even for
Speaker 2: the whole thing of the show, it's like I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to actually pedal fear. I'm actually trying
Speaker 2: to pedal like you, not so much knowledge but information.
Speaker 2: And it's like all I'm doing is just handing fear
Speaker 2: and hate to my listeners. When I cover that stuff
Speaker 2: over and over and over, it okay for me.
Speaker 7: I think the problem with presenting it in certain ways
Speaker 7: is that it's like Nick and Jules was saying, it
Speaker 7: can almost drain you to a certain degree if you
Speaker 7: present it in certain ways. I like to present it
Speaker 7: in a way that I would feel like it's more
Speaker 7: empowering to the listener, Like, can you believe they've ran
Speaker 7: this program on us? Can you believe the connections between
Speaker 7: these guys. This isn't on accident. There's not random crazy
Speaker 7: people that are going to come back with your kids, right,
Speaker 7: It's like they are running game on us and we
Speaker 7: need to wake up to the fact that there is
Speaker 7: not random serial killers in your neighborhood that are going
Speaker 7: to come and kill you in your fucking house with
Speaker 7: your kids.
Speaker 9: There's unless they're there, you know, unless.
Speaker 7: But you look at the victims most of the the time,
Speaker 7: they're they're chosen for a reason. Even with the Manson murders,
Speaker 7: Sharon Tate and all those people were chosen for a reason,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 9: And it's like, yeah, that that was a sacrifice right there,
Speaker 9: because wasn't Polanski shooting Rosemary's baby at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 9: but there is something there.
Speaker 7: I was just gonna say, for me, I think it's
Speaker 7: empowering to talk about the programmed aspect of it, because
Speaker 7: at the end of the day, there are serial killer
Speaker 7: shirt Most of them are fucking psychos that have been
Speaker 7: ran through some kind of a program. A lot of
Speaker 7: the victims, a lot of this stuff is staged. Even yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, a lot of stuff is numbers are inflated,
Speaker 7: stuff gets there's crisis actors, there's you know. So when
Speaker 7: I talk about it, I like to come at it
Speaker 7: from an angle of yes, this stuff is real, it's
Speaker 7: not what you think it is. You got to look
Speaker 7: behind the scenes. Most of these people are connected and
Speaker 7: just be weary when you see something in the news,
Speaker 7: when you see a Netflix documentary, when you see something
Speaker 7: like this, you have to look in the background because
Speaker 7: when you do, it almost makes you feel better, like,
Speaker 7: ah shit, this is all like stage scripted, this is programmed,
Speaker 7: this is you know, it gives you back the uh
Speaker 7: discernment of is this scary or not? And most of
Speaker 7: the time it's not because it's like, oh, it's another
Speaker 7: fucking CIA program. Thanks guys, fuck you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean it's always those guys.
Speaker 6: You know me.
Speaker 2: Even even like the last thing that I think that
Speaker 2: this show even covered, like true crime, like me and
Speaker 2: list I covered the Zizzians, And when we covered that,
Speaker 2: I think we might have spent a total like four
Speaker 2: minutes actually talking about what the fuck they did, and
Speaker 2: the whole other two hours was actually their connections all
Speaker 2: through AI and weird. There's something that's created this, see.
Speaker 6: The funding, the you know, how it's being propped up potentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a little bit different too, and the
Speaker 2: way you cover it that way, I'm a little bit
Speaker 2: more comfortable with some people just I don't know, it's different.
Speaker 6: And I don't know the way I mean it covers it.
Speaker 6: I absolutely love it, like it's.
Speaker 2: Very That's why it all the time now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in that it's in depth, but it's not it's
Speaker 6: not heavy, yeah for sure. And I know, like the
Speaker 6: reason that I was very into true crime and I
Speaker 6: still am, I'll admit it, is that I have a
Speaker 6: hyper analytical brain that if it's not over analyzing and
Speaker 6: piecing and tearing apart things and putting them back together,
Speaker 6: I tend to go mad a little bit. And and
Speaker 6: so that kind of serves as an outlet as a puzzle, like, oh,
Speaker 6: there's this puzzle that in my brain can kind of
Speaker 6: work on in the background. But then when we started
Speaker 6: covering the Smiling Face killers and seeing how all of
Speaker 6: it was contrived and how multiple areas where there were
Speaker 6: corners or medical examiners not even investigating the case, I
Speaker 6: was like, this is this isn't even a real investigation.
Speaker 6: You start to loose my brain started to lose the
Speaker 6: ability to want to piece it all together because of
Speaker 6: evidence it was being presented was was manufactured. Almost. So yeah, definitely,
Speaker 6: definitely everything you saidually one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Lisa. I'm glad you can see it the
Speaker 7: same way too, because I think there's a lot of
Speaker 7: power and just knowledge, like make yourself aware of simple
Speaker 7: explanations for things. Don't make it like a crazy bunch
Speaker 7: of killers out there and you never know when one's
Speaker 7: going to strike and or if you're going to be like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I get it. There is crime. There are real rapists,
Speaker 7: there are real psychos out there. But the ones that
Speaker 7: get their own Hulu special I mean the ones that
Speaker 7: you know, you you check to make sure it's locked, it's.
Speaker 2: I think those were all for sure fake. I think
Speaker 2: those ways that they still drain and make money off
Speaker 2: of the fucking team.
Speaker 7: It's part of the theater, just like politics are part
Speaker 7: of the theater, right, just like assassination attempts can be
Speaker 7: part of the theater. Just like I mean, it's all
Speaker 7: part of the theater. Just like as we were talking
Speaker 7: about with Lee Harvey Oswald a little bit ago, how
Speaker 7: he knew one of these serial killers, Patrick Kerney, and
Speaker 7: like we all know what happened with JFK and stuff
Speaker 7: like that, and it's like, dude, it's all part of
Speaker 7: the show. They all know each other, they all probably
Speaker 7: fucking hang out. This is not an accident, and you know,
Speaker 7: when you know shit like that, you start to feel
Speaker 7: better about Like, Okay, they're doing this intentionally to terrify people,
Speaker 7: and how about fuck you.
Speaker 1: But mine as if my notes say butthhole socks in it.
Speaker 1: It's a good freaking episode.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, I mean the next time, next time you
Speaker 7: see a body on the side of the road, make
Speaker 7: sure you check their behole for a sock, because Randy
Speaker 7: Craft is still alive and he could very easily escape
Speaker 7: prison and murder someone near you.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh I guess we realize that's the title
Speaker 1: of this episode, right, the whole sock.
Speaker 7: It's a good title, yeah, Randy Kraft Government cheese be
Speaker 7: whole sock killer.
Speaker 2: Yes, mm hmm oh damn. All right, Uh well, thank
Speaker 2: you very much, Julia. That was awesome as usual. That's
Speaker 2: why we love having you on for these Let everybody
Speaker 2: know where they can find allly your amazing stuff again.
Speaker 7: Please, thanks Nick and thanks. I absolutely love tonight's show
Speaker 7: and everybody that was a part of the conversation. Matthew McConaughey,
Speaker 7: Bennett with this asmr voice broke amazing, Lisa always insightful,
Speaker 7: loved every minute of it. I have my own show
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Speaker 7: I just I like having a good time working with
Speaker 7: people having these type of conversations. It's just it's fun
Speaker 7: and entertaining but also informational. And thanks for having.
Speaker 2: Me definitely, no, thank you for presenting it. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 9: You, guys, another banger of a show, Nick. I appreciate
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys, Thanks, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And Bennett so so thanks for having me on. Guys.
Speaker 1: It was great. It was so much fun. Be holes
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Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 9: I followed you over there by the way Benner, Thanks yeah, man, and.
Speaker 7: A Bedtime Stories with Bennette.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know I'm always looking to do another podcast,
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 2: Keep enough and go ahead, Brock. Please let everybody know
Speaker 2: what they can find your music show.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I just want to thank you for having me on
Speaker 8: and thank you Julia for presenting the topic. I think
Speaker 8: you showed us tonight that the web is so much
Speaker 8: wider than we thought and it goes deep.
Speaker 10: But thank you again for having me on.
Speaker 8: You can find my show Dark Florida wherever you get
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Brook. I always appreciate you coming
Speaker 2: on the show and lista not Alise Lisa the ocule
Speaker 2: rejects demanded scientist, what is going on?
Speaker 6: Thank you for inviting me, Julia amazing presentation always and
Speaker 6: I know that you know we would don't. I want
Speaker 6: to do more serial killers with you. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 6: just going to come out and say it. I love
Speaker 6: the way you cover them. I love discussing them with you.
Speaker 6: I would like for this entire paneletic stay exactly the
Speaker 6: same when we discuss another serial killer, please please please,
Speaker 6: and so I'm just going to put that out there.
Speaker 6: Thank you everyone. I very much enjoyed the discussion. And
Speaker 6: the only thing I would like to plug is the
Speaker 6: Cult Research Institute dot org where some of the rejects
Speaker 6: have contributed in a literary form content to things that
Speaker 6: have been discussed on the podcast or not. But it
Speaker 6: supplies a lot of information, esoteric, ecoteric, what have you.
Speaker 6: But please check us out there on a cult Research
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Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you very much, Lisa, and thank you everybody
Speaker 2: again on the paddle. That was awesome. I had a
Speaker 2: great chat, and thank you for everybody in the chat
Speaker 2: as well. That's what's up. I saw a lot of
Speaker 2: people there in the YouTube chat from the beginning to end.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. That's why we go live and until
Speaker 2: the next one. Everybody be well.
Speaker 1: Later.
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