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Speaker 2: All Right, everybody, welcome back. This is episode two of

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our Lost Boys Versus Fright Night episodes. Hope you're having

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Speaker 2: Podcast Awesome de.

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Speaker 1: We were talking before about the special effects, and obviously

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with frid Night you have a whole lot more special

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effects going on, and so I talked about Steve Johnson,

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the guy who said there was lots of cocaine there

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and the guy who did the pencil through the hand

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and was frustrated at the cut that came about. But

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another I mean, he just had a ton of good stories,

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some of which are absolutely inappropriate to tell on a

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family friendly episode. But one of the stories is that,

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you know, they used acid to burn up the bat

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creature that they had the end that was supposed to

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be Jerry burning up in the skeleton. Well, part of

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that piece came from Ghostbusters that they had done before.

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scary for the librarian at the very intro scene. They

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and they're looking for more stuff to do and they're

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out of money, they're like, well, let's just go dig

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find it. And so they came up with that bat skeleton,

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and so they melt the skeleton in multiple ways, but

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one of those ways is with acid. And so Steve Johnson,

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everything's melted, he goes over and pours this base, you know,

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to counteract the acid. He pours this basic solution all

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over this thing. And then he drives home that evening

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and he's like, my feet can kind of feel tingly.

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day along the day and when he gets home, he

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has completely melted to like his feet are starting to burn.

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It's burned through his socks. Yeah, He's like, I couldn't

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mention this. We didn't really talk about, I mean, some

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details on these movies. So Friday Night was released August second,

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nineteen eighty five, had a budget of nine million dollars.

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kind of a surprise hit that fall season, but it

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is the first vampire movie to spend one million dollars

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head of special effects for Fright Night was a guy

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named Richard Edlund. They had a ton of guys working

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bit of an infamous story. They had kind of reached

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a favor. He's like okay, he goes, we've got any

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plastics left that you can use to make a mask

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scary teeth for Amy and we don't have any money

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left for the budget, so can you just do me

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this favor. It's going to be a short shot it's

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gonna be like three seconds. Yeah, now I'm any big deal.

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shark mouth for Amy and it's that it's that horrible

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shark mouth. And it didn't go for only three seconds

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whips around and he didn't So William Raxdale hadn't seen

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and Randy Cook was like, this thing looked like a

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chase scene in the movie, far more than three seconds.

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it and Steve Ellan's like, do you remember that million

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dollars I had for effects? I have zero dollars and

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zero since left over. Yeah, but the poster, So I've

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seen this. It's a very well known poster. It was

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on the VHS tape and all that stuff. It had

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you just have that one face. But yeah, it's that

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poster though. I mean, I have to think that that

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I've ever seen, and it's really fantastic. And so I

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and nobody knows who it was. Nobody's stepped up to

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of art, and nobody knows who did it. It's pretty

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pretty impressive. And they used it, I mean they used

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good as Friday one, probably or less.

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honestly don't remember it. I feel like it was maybe

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more funny, like they were going more for the comedy

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she had she had watched the movie over and over

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to study his mannerism so that she could imitate him

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his baby, right, but he wasn't directing it. So they

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discussing the distribution of the movie. Right, the guy who's

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for getting this movie out to everybody mad at us.

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the bridges, you know, we'll kiss his butt or whatever,

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for marketing Night. Yeah, fright night too. And when when

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when Roddy McDowell found out, he quickly called Tommy Wallace

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think the original is way better, way better. I have

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seen two Lost Boys sequels. Uh, yes, you watched I

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Speaker 1: Yes. Wow, do you wish you had that time back?

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at the very end of the movies. So I don't

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Speaker 2: By exactly exactly, you know what I want to talk

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realm of special effects.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. So he takes her back sort of

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does his vampire seduction thing bites her and as she

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begins to transform, there's some interesting things that happen. Number One,

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all of a sudden, she's wearing this white Marilyn Monroe dress. Right,

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her hair grows and turns blonde.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of a red. Yeah, kind of a rusty

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red kind of look. It was horrible.

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Speaker 1: No, and it looks terrible. If they had done something

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actually exotic and sexy, that might have been pretty cool.

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hair for was Roddy McDowell as an old person. That

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was the worst hair. I loved the whole movie for sure,

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looked worse than stage makeup. It was terrible, but go ahead, okay.

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is they gave her prosthetic breasts. Okay. So part of

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the seduction process is we're changing this high school girl

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into the Marilyn Monroe vamped up promo queen stripper version

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of her herself in the original story. In the novelization,

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so Jerry Dandrews is supposed to be four hundred years

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old or so, but from the novelization. Amy's transformation to

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a vampire gives her vampire breasts, right, so she's extra

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busty when she is saved by them killing off Jerry Dandridge,

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she gets to keep those.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of it's kind of like young Frankenstein.

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but what did you get? Yeah? So yeah, as I

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understand it, like when she was doing an auction and

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like signings, she was wearing them and let people come

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Speaker 2: Was wearing them, they were on the table.

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Speaker 1: She said, oh, she wasn't wearing them. Yeah, it makes

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Speaker 2: Sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: They'd just be sitting there on the table. You want

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to feel my breast? No, not that we haven't talked

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about special effects for well Lost Boys.

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but he came in and did prosthetics because they wanted

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the vampires to look ghoulish when they transformed to vampires. Right,

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job and and and he made him too scary and

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they didn't they didn't really like that. Joe Schumacher's like,

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going to make them look horrible. I didn't like it,

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so they fired that guy and they brought in a

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guy named Greg Cannon. And that was his instruction. He said, listen,

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I brought in these great looking actors. I want them

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to look like vampires. So they need to be scary,

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but they need to be good looking vampires.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: And so he minimized the prosthetics, gave them those awesome

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contacts we talked about last week, right, and then the

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fangs that were right next to their incisors just did

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a great job. They're still creepy, scary, but they're also.

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Speaker 1: They still look like them.

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Speaker 2: They still look like them, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not Jerry Dandridge looking like Sloth from Goonies.

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Speaker 2: It's aby yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, are you ready? Are you ready for

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me to blow your mind? Yes on Greg Candem. Yeah.

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So he has He obviously has a ton a ton

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of special effects credits, like the Mask with Jim Carrey,

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he did Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, he did Watchmen. He's

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done a ton a ton of stuff. But He's only

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got three acting credits, and of those three, one of

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them is a zombie on the thriller video.

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Speaker 2: That is cool man. Hey, one of the things I

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want to talk about one of the mysteries of Friday Night. Yeah,

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one of the big question marks about Friday Night is

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Billy Cole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He is the guy who lives with Jerry Dandridge and

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is his.

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Speaker 1: Protector, right kind of the Renfield.

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Speaker 2: So the big question is what is Billy Cole? Right,

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He's not a vampire, No walks around the day out

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in the sun, right. He gets shot in the forehead

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and doesn't die, right, and when they finally stab him

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with a steak, he turns to slime and dust and yeah,

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so the big question is what is he? What do

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you think is got any ideas well?

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Speaker 1: I mean I've read a couple of theories. One is

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that he's like this gollum that Jerry created out of

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sand kind of deal. Is one idea. And then the

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other is that he is a like a half vampire,

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like somebody who has been bitten but hasn't hasn't bitten

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somebody else himself, and so he's not fully a vampire

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like like Amy was. Where he can still he could

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still go back. You know.

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Speaker 2: I I saw Tom Holland talk about this and they're like, Okay, Tom,

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what is Billy Cole? And He's like, I don't know,

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not exactly sure, God.

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Speaker 3: That's weird.

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Speaker 2: What the hell is goofy?

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Speaker 1: You know, And there's an interesting you know, there's an

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interesting perspective to the relationship that he and Jerry have.

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You know that there's there are definitely some homoerotic little

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shots that that they do. But from what I heard,

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neither one of the actors had any idea about it. It

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was all something that Tom Holland just kind of structured

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from the way that he shot the scenes and the

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way that he wrote it without being being avert about it.

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Speaker 2: I guess so, right, you know, I've heard that mentioned

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on both.

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Speaker 1: Of these movies, right, Yeah, I can tell you that

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that Jason Patrick and Keifer Sutherland both were like, we

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weren't ever told that. You know, that's not something that

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we were playing, and it's certainly not something that we

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were understood to be the case. Unlike George Clooney, who

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he said the Joel Schumaker for a lot, I told him, Yeah,

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Batman and Robin aren't gay.

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Speaker 2: We don't talk about Batman and.

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Speaker 1: Robin, all right. You don't like the nipples.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the bat nipples, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The bat nipples and the codpiece.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Another little tidbit from Fright Night. The song

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that Jerry is whistling as he sneaks into Charlie's bedroom

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is Strangers in the Night by Frank Sinatra. According to

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Christin Randon, he wanted Jerry to whistle whistle why you

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work from snow White, right, but couldn't get permission from

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Disney for that one.

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Speaker 1: I wonder why. I wonder why Disney wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Go for that. Here's a tidbit I found out from

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oswy So that I thought was pretty cool. The comic

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book store in the movie. It's called Atlantis Fantasy World.

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It's featured in the movie. It's owned by this guy

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named Joe Ferrara, who still carries the original number one

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issue of Vampires everywhere that Sam reads in the film.

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The comic was created just for the movie, And if

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you go to this comic book store, you can actually

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have your picture taken with that comic. I wonder if

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you can hand it back to the guy and say

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I don't like horror comics.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got one for you on Fright Night. All right, Yeah,

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we've talked about the reboots and we talked about the sequels.

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But five years ago when they asked Tom Holland if

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he would ever like to do a sequel of any

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of his movies, like, you know, forget the the reboots

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that exist, any movie you could do, he said, the one,

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the one that he would like to do is a

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follow up of Fright Night where he brings back the

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original cast and the plot is single father Charlie Brewster

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inherits his mother's home and soon after moving in, his

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two teenage children become convinced that there's something evil in

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the house next door, namely Evil Ed, who is squatting

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in the abandoned mansion attempting to resurrect Jerry Dandridge.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I could get on board with that.

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Speaker 1: I'm all for it. That's good. That sounds like a

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great movie. And I have to think that these actors

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would be like, yeah, let's do that. That sound I mean,

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what are they guy going on? Right?

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Speaker 2: Okay, it hasn't been somebody in a long time. I

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know Herman's head was a long time ago. So but

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I'll tell you what. One of the things that people

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mentioned from Friday Night when Ed dies Evil Ed dies,

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he transforms back from that wolf, gets stabbed, falls over

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the edge, and dies, transforms back to the boy. Remember

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the cross evaporates from his forehead. And then what happens.

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Peter Vincent pulls this steak out right, and a lot

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of people thought, what are you doing, dude? You don't

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pull the steak out? And so that did leave it

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open for a sequel.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I will say this, The one thing that I

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didn't notice that was because it was always around in

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the eighties. But I'm watching with my seventeen year old

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and she goes, why did they show every shot three

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times from three different directions? I was like, holy cow.

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They argue, like Jerry bust through the window, it's like

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from like three different angles, right, Like, I guess that's

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just something they did. I didn't even I just just

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I've just noticed it, and so I told you about it.

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And then literally two days later, I'm watching the Simpsons

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Halloween special and it's the one where Bart Simpson becomes

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a vampire and is right outside of Lisa's window. And

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he's coming after her, and he busts through the window,

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and sure enough they do a shot from three different directions.

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I was just like Darren Doyle, well, here we go,

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we know how to get on these references. They just

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did a throwback to Fright Night and the three break scene.

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Speaker 2: See it's because they spend so much money on those

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practical effects that they want to get their money's worth. Right,

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that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So just real quick, I just feel like we

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should touch on it. Okay, So the poster for Fright

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Night is iconic because it's just a beautifully done engaging

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The face is amazing, it's over the suburbian house. It's

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just perfect. And the Lost Boys picture is the poster

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is also perfect, but in a completely different way. It is.

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I mean it is them in black and white with

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this stark red backdrop to where they are and just

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very simple. The Lost Boys, that's it. It's so so

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super simple. But you know it is about vampires. But

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you're sitting there staring at these rockstar are looking young folks. Yeah,

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totally grabs your attention.

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Speaker 2: Two great posters.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, Jason, have you heard the story on the

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ending of Fright Night.

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Speaker 2: I have. Yeah, there was originally supposed to be a

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very different ending, and I thought this was super interesting

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at the time. In the eighties, monster movies are supposed

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to be the monster's supposed to be vanquished and the

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good guys are supposed to get married and live happily

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hour after whatever. But in the original script it was

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supposed to be radically different. Okay, Charlie and Amy are

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in their bed making out watching Fright Night like usual, right,

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like they were at the end of the movie, and

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there's Peter Vincent and he comes on and he's introducing

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a movie and it's talking about this movie with vampires,

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and he says, you know what vampires look like, don't

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you They look like this. Peter Vincent vams out right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Charlie and Amy he got bitten by the bat, right,

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I mean he got bitten by the back.

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Speaker 2: He got bit on the arm by the Jerry Dandrews bat.

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he got bit by the bad Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I thought that guy's gonna have to die. That's a shame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he transforms into a vampire on screen, leans

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forward and says hello, Charlie and that's where they cut

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to the end credits and it rolls.

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Speaker 1: Right, and then one of the producers sees the movie

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and he calls Tom Holland and he said, what the

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heck do you think you're doing? Yeah, you cannot let

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this guy gre you somebody that the audience falls in

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love with for two hours and then turned him into

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a vampire at the end. He can't do it, change it. Yep.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a brave twist there. You know, who

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is considered for the role of David No Jim Carrey.

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That'd been weird, especially since he had just done Once Bitten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Once Bitten, Yeah, Yeah, that would have been very strange.

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Speaker 2: Also, I want to talk about this real quick. In

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the movie Lethal, Weap and Murta and Riggs are walking

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down the street discussing how Murta ohs Hunsecker right, and

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in the background you see a movie theater that says

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lost Boys this year's hit both Richard Donner.

472
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,039
Speaker 1: Ah, of course, yes, okay, that makes sense. I was like, man,

473
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:18,720
how are we going to get a connection out of this?

474
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:19,279
Speaker 2: All right?

475
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: What if Donner was upset that he didn't end up

476
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,720
directing that thing?

477
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,799
Speaker 2: You know, I heard I saw him comments on that.

478
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,920
He said he was so glad that Schumacher took over.

479
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,680
He said I could not do it as good as

480
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,039
he did it. I thought that was a real strong quote.

481
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: That's a good compliment too, That's awesome.

482
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,559
Speaker 2: Okay, do we want to talk about some of the

483
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,880
basic vampire tropes that we see in these movies?

484
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, let's go.

485
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: I thought this was kind of cool. So in these movies,

486
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,400
we have fangs flying, yes, no reflection okay, steaks through

487
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,400
the heart, yes, coffins yes, okay, even though that is

488
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,000
basically one big coffin, which we right, right, it's the

489
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:08,279
bat cave. You have thorn, the hounds of hell.

490
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

491
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: You have holy water. Yeah, you have garlic, which he

492
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,400
mentions garlic don't work on us boys, right. You have

493
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,720
half vampires and head vampires. You have long fingernails, bad breath,

494
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,240
and extreme strength.

495
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: Right.

496
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: But the one thing I want to talk about with

497
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,680
you when you kind of need to unpack, is the

498
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,680
home invitation.

499
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,039
Speaker 3: The vampire cannot enter your house without being invited by

500
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:35,839
the rightful owner first.

501
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: Right.

502
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: It happens in both of these movies, and they discuss

503
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,200
it and yet they kind of break their own rules

504
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:41,680
a little bit.

505
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's to me it appears to be

506
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:49,039
one rule in one movie and a slightly varied rule

507
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,039
in the other movie.

508
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,599
Speaker 2: Don't ever invite a vampire into your house, your silly boy.

509
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: It renders you powerless. So a lot of I mean,

510
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,000
a lot of what you talked about there comes from

511
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,880
the original vampire ideas, comes from Dracula, the coffin, the teeth,

512
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:08,400
being able to change into various animals, that kind of thing.

513
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,079
That's all original vampire stuff. But then there's so many

514
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,480
movies that came out that started adding that extra stuff in,

515
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:18,400
and a lot of that, especially like the inviting the

516
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,240
vampire in that is something that was just i mean

517
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:24,480
basically came from TV. Right It came from the movies,

518
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:29,200
came from TV. And so what happens in Fright Night

519
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:33,039
is we understand that the rule is a vampire cannot

520
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,319
come into your house unless invited. And then you have Charlie,

521
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:41,039
this is our next door neighbor, Jerry Dandridge. I don't

522
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,839
know why he wouldn't have told his mom like that second,

523
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,759
but you know, then so Jerry gets invited in by

524
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,319
the mom, and so that gids gives him free rein

525
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,960
to come in where whenever he wants to. Now right,

526
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,279
what we find out in The Lost Boys is not

527
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,559
that they can't come in if not invited. It's that

528
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,039
the magic that works against them is useless if you

529
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,599
invite them in. Like he can eat the garlic, he

530
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,720
can handle the holy water. None of those little things work.

531
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,480
I don't know what would have happened with a stake

532
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:17,920
through the heart, but anyway, none of those magical type

533
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,960
things affect the vampire if you invite them in.

534
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: I didn't invite you this time, Max.

535
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: But we see all of the all of the young

536
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,799
vampires bust through the wall and the windows. I mean,

537
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,359
they're coming in and they're not invited at all, you know.

538
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,799
So I think it was just a variation on what

539
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,519
is really a made up trope anyway. I mean, I

540
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:40,119
guess they're all really made up tropes.

541
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: But sure, I think it's interesting. In Fright Night, he

542
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,559
does such a great job with it. He's so suave

543
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:49,119
and so cool that he's like, hello, Charlie.

544
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: Did you see what he was drinking?

545
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:50,279
Speaker 2: No?

546
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Letty Mary nice?

547
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,519
Speaker 2: And then in The Lost Boys you have that whole

548
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,640
hilarious scene at the beginning or in the middle of

549
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,480
the movie when the Frog brothers are invited over and

550
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,279
they feed him straight garlic and they show that mirror

551
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,480
right in his face and it startles him, and it's

552
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,160
this kind of funny scene. All of that, it leads

553
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,359
you to believe that Max is not the head vampire,

554
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,359
which is a great reveal at the end.

555
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good way to handle that. That

556
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:17,359
was a great way to handle it.

557
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: I love both of these movies. Man, they're so good. Okay,

558
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,480
you ready to talk about soundtrack or what?

559
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: Before we jump into soundtrack, I forgot to mention this.

560
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,279
I just I'll just mention it now. So we talked

561
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,160
about the sequels. Did you know that there was a

562
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,839
discussion about a prequel? Key for Sutherland and Joel Schumacher

563
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:38,440
discussed doing a prequel that occurred back at the time

564
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,400
that the great San Francisco earthquake had happened that dropped

565
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,279
the hotel in and that was when it was going

566
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,119
to take place, and that was going to be like

567
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,519
the start of all of the vampires. And I was like, dude,

568
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,920
that is another one that needs to be made.

569
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,759
Speaker 2: That sounds great to me. I'm I'm all on board

570
00:29:57,799 --> 00:29:58,160
for that.

571
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, buddy. He for Sutherland said, you know, it was

572
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,119
a it was a conversation of her bottle of wine.

573
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,920
That's all it ever, was nothing more than that.

574
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: I did hear Joel Schumacher discuss the idea of having

575
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,960
a new movie called The Lost Girls. That was his

576
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:18,759
idea that it was basically a group of girl vampires

577
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:29,480
terrorized town like The Craft or something. Right. Okay, soundtracks, soundtracks,

578
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:30,599
let's talk about soundtracks.

579
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's start with Fright Night. So Fright Night

580
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,240
soundtrack is done by Brad Fidel, Yes, who got the

581
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,799
job because he had lucked into this magical movie called

582
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:51,599
The Terminator. At this time in history, digital music was

583
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:55,839
the thing that was coming about, and Tom Holland totally

584
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:58,279
saw that. He was like, I you know, I knew,

585
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,960
I knew. Tangerine Dream was doing all this stuff like that.

586
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,559
Tangerine Dream did the soundtrack from Risky Business, which is

587
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,640
freaking awesome. I mean, I've downloaded their stuff in the

588
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,559
last week. It's so good. Even though it's that eighties

589
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,119
digital stuff, they were masters at it. But Brad Fidell

590
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,359
was doing that same very techno electronic sound to do

591
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,319
the soundtrack for his movies, and Tom Holland loved what

592
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:25,160
he had done with the Terminator and so said, come on,

593
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,920
come over here. We want you to be the composer

594
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:34,559
for this movie. So come to Me. Come to Me

595
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,559
was a song by Brad Fidell that he had done

596
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:39,519
the lyrics for and everything like he was a singer

597
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:42,039
on it. And then when they had it's the one

598
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,359
that's playing whenever Jerry's about to bite her yeah, and

599
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,480
Tom Holland had to say, you got to lose the

600
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:50,799
lyrics and Brad Fidel's like what Yeah, He's like, wait

601
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:52,279
a minute, what am I thinking? I got it? This

602
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:54,359
is supposed to serve the movie. So he took it out.

603
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: Okay, do you are you ready for my come to

604
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,240
Me story?

605
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: But you got something? You got something more? Yeah.

606
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,559
Speaker 2: So I did see all that, and I think it's

607
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,960
it kind of broke its heart a little bit because

608
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,359
he did pour his blood, sweat and tears into the

609
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,200
lyrics for come to Me, right and then but when

610
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,200
they pulled it out it worked even better. But I

611
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,839
thought this was hilarious. So the movie was released. You

612
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,200
have this real seductive song. It's what they play while

613
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:23,400
Jerry is biting Amy and sort of transforming her into

614
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:27,839
the vampires. But Brad Fidel was at his studio one

615
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,160
day and his phone rang and he said, there's this

616
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,359
woman on the phone who said, are you Brad Fidel?

617
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,799
And he's like yes, He's like, how'd you get my number?

618
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,480
Who is this? So somehow she had found him, figured

619
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,279
out a way to call him, called him up and

620
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,279
said you're Brad Fidel, Yes i am. Did you write

621
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,880
this song come to me for Fright Night? Yes? I did?

622
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,519
And she said do you have a longer version of

623
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:54,279
that song? He goes, well no, He goes that, I

624
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,640
mean the spot in the movie doesn't really call for

625
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,200
anything more than two or three minutes. He goes, that's

626
00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:02,160
the only thing I wrote. She's like really, because my

627
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,039
boyfriend and I love that song. We just need a

628
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:07,920
longer version of that song.

629
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Sorry, honey. Songs over.

630
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: That was great, hun Get.

631
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,759
Speaker 1: A sandwich.

632
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: Just the end credit song Friday Night. It's a song

633
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,240
called frid Night's by the Jay Gilles band.

634
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a video for that

635
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,319
one too, right yeah.

636
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: Jay Gill's band, better known for Centerfold Freeze, frame love Stems. Yeah,

637
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:53,400
I love Jay Gills band. They were a little past

638
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:59,759
their prime when this song came out. We already talk

639
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:01,519
about boys soundtrack, Yes.

640
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: First the score. Let's talk about the score real quick.

641
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,039
Because the composer for The Lost Boys is a guy

642
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:13,679
named Thomas Newman. And if you if you've looked at

643
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,280
soundtrack composers at all, you know the name Newman because

644
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:21,519
you've got Alfred Newman, who is a composer of movies,

645
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,119
who won multiple Oscar Awards. What what's up that's not

646
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:26,599
Alfred E.

647
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,039
Speaker 2: Newman?

648
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so. Have kind of a wide smile.

649
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:36,599
I don't know anyway. He he he won several Academy Awards.

650
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,199
He was He's the one that composed the twentieth Century

651
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,199
Fox d.

652
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: He did that, okay.

653
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,039
Speaker 1: And then you got Randy Newman, who's his cousin, who's

654
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,800
done all you know, he did the Toy Story, he

655
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,559
did all of those soundtracks that he's done, which is

656
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,719
a unique He's got his own unique style. His brother had,

657
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,159
His brother, I believe his name is David, has done

658
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:05,000
the soundtracks as well, not really as many cool ones

659
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:09,159
as Thomas has done. Thomas has quite the resume. David

660
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,800
not so much, but even still, he's won an Oscar

661
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,679
for Anastasia. The other one of note that he did

662
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,719
that David did was Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. So

663
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,599
I'm pretty sure I talked about him last time. But

664
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,039
Thomas Newman, who did the score for The Lost Boys,

665
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:32,199
has composed tons, I mean tons. I can't get him

666
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,679
all in, but let's hit some big ones. The Cinderella Man,

667
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,960
American Beauty, The Green Mile, Angels in America, Finding Nemo,

668
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:46,960
Wally James Bond film, Skyfall and Specter, and the Shawshank Redemption.

669
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:50,000
I mean, dude, that's just a few. Like, he's got

670
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:55,440
a ton and he has this very unique record, he

671
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:03,480
very sad record. He has been nominated for fifteen Academy Awards,

672
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,920
tying him with another composer named Alex North for the

673
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,679
most nominations without a whim.

674
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:14,519
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, it's nice to be nominated, but sure

675
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:17,599
nice to win, all right, d That leads us to

676
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,519
the theme song of Lost Boys, Cry and a Sister.

677
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,960
The song is amazing.

678
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just makes the hair stand up on your

679
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,760
arms every single time, right, every time. Yeah.

680
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: The choir of the children singing the you know, Thou

681
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,400
shalt not fall, Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not die.

682
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,559
So good. It's written by a guy named Gerard McMahon.

683
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: Uh, huh, and.

684
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: Joel Schumacher had worked with him previously, came to him

685
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,320
and said, Hey, I need you to write the theme

686
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,679
song for this movie I'm doing. It's called Lost Boys.

687
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,239
He said, typically he watches the movie so he can

688
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,920
get a feel for it, and he didn't really get

689
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,639
a chance to do that, so he wrote it straight

690
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:09,280
from the script.

691
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: Huh.

692
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: It's kind of an interesting way to do it. He

693
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,320
had an idea of what he wanted to do. He

694
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,679
knew he wanted the choir of children kind of give

695
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:16,679
it that creepy feel.

696
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,639
Speaker 1: Oh, it's successful, very eerie and moving.

697
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,599
Speaker 2: I mean they play it ten times throughout the entire movie.

698
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,880
When David's killed at the beginning, they play it with

699
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,280
hunting credits. Yeah, play it at the moment when David's killed.

700
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,079
And every time they play it, I'm like, I just

701
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:33,440
want to keep listening to that song.

702
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: So I listened to an interview with Jason Patrick and

703
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,960
Keefer Sutherland and they started talking about that song, and Keer,

704
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,280
you know, they're at this They're at this like fan

705
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,239
base convention. I don't know what it is, but they're

706
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,199
obviously speaking to a large crowd of people and key

707
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,679
for Sutherland's Like, so, okay, so I'm looking out of

708
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,119
the audience and I'm seeing, Okay, there are a few kids.

709
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,599
Uh so how do I say this? So what do

710
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,800
I say? So? Like, every time I would go to

711
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:11,320
a dancing bar, that song would automatically come on while

712
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,239
I was there. That just I guess the you know,

713
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,920
the dancers, when they would see him come in, we're like, oh, oh,

714
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,159
I got to play that song for.

715
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: My next day. I know what he'll get his attention.

716
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: Yes, and somehow we hit the stripper songs again. I

717
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,519
don't know how we do it for everypod. I just

718
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,079
got to let our audience know I I do not

719
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,039
go to strip clubs, all right, I just don't do it.

720
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,639
I need you guys to know that. It's just fun

721
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:40,760
to talk about the idea. I don't go to strip clubs.

722
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: Hey, we love stripper songs. I don't know if you

723
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,039
know this or not, but Marilyn Manson actually has a

724
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:50,199
cover of cryd Little Sister.

725
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a whole lot of covers, a whole

726
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,960
lot of good songs that are not as good as

727
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:54,920
the songs that he covered.

728
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,079
Speaker 2: Totally, totally, yeah.

729
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:56,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

730
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: We can't say enough good things about Cryd Little Sister.

731
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,440
But there are some other songs on the soundtrack I want.

732
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: To talk about. One of my favorites is the one

733
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,280
by the lead singer of Foreigner, Lou Graham. He did

734
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:11,000
Lost in the Shadows, which is that one that's playing

735
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,559
while they're racing their motorcycles. Yes, that is a freaking

736
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:16,079
awesome song.

737
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, great song, great song. There's actually a deleted scene

738
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:33,760
that uses that song. I think they kind of shifted

739
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,159
it around. Oh yeah, yeah. Michael is cleaning dishes and

740
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:41,320
mom is doing chores and Sam is playing it on

741
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,119
the radio, and he comes downstairs and makes his mom

742
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,000
dance with him, and then he grabs Michael and kind

743
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,639
of the three of them dance around the kitchen. It

744
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:50,480
does not fit the tone of the movie at all.

745
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,119
Uh huh, But it was an interesting deleted scene to watch.

746
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: So that's interesting because we know how the movie does end.

747
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,719
It ends at that. It ends very abruptly with the

748
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,559
line by the grandpa. One thing I could never stomach

749
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:05,800
about Santa.

750
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: Carla all the day vampires.

751
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, right, what a way to end the movie.

752
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,679
Like he just kind of wanders off to get the beer.

753
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,079
They're like, what's wrong with you? What's going on?

754
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: It's his root beer?

755
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: His root beer?

756
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: Yes, right with it in the drawer by his oreos

757
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,559
and uh, don't pull off the tab to the TV guide.

758
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,159
Speaker 1: Right, and then it ends. The movie ends there, And

759
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,119
I can see how if I was right in the movie,

760
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:29,559
it'd be like I can't end the movie there. But

761
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,519
it was the way they handle it was great. I

762
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:33,440
thought that was a perfect way to end to end

763
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:33,840
that movie.

764
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,559
Speaker 2: So Krylo's Sisters awesome, Lost in the Shadows awesome. Yes

765
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:40,639
you get Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me

766
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,800
by Roger Daltrey, which is a cover of Elton John right, right, right,

767
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,159
you have People Are Strange, which is a cover of

768
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:47,920
the Doors song.

769
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: Right, and then one of the big ones. There were

770
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,719
two videos that I remember seeing for this movie because

771
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,519
they showed clips of the movie throughout, and one of

772
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,800
those was the Lou Graham Lost in the Shadows song.

773
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,119
The other one is the one we've talked about before.

774
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, good Times, which is in Excess to Jimmy Barnes,

775
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,960
which we talked about was kind of the precursor for

776
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,559
In Excess Kick Albert.

777
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did, you know, they didn't. They didn't make

778
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,760
it for the movie like they had already covered the song.

779
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,639
It was part of some Australian tour that they were doing,

780
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,920
and they did not, and so they covered another Australian band.

781
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,519
Do you know this, yeah, the Easy Beats, right, yes,

782
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,800
which one of the members of the Easy Beats was

783
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,239
George Young who is the brother.

784
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: Of Angus and Malcolm Young from ac DC.

785
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: There you go.

786
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,039
Speaker 2: Another tidbit on that song, good Times, the original version

787
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,480
by the Easy Beats. They played it on the radio.

788
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,639
Who was listening to that radio station? Paul McCartney. When

789
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,320
that song was over, Paul McCartney called the radio station

790
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,360
and said, Hi, this is Paul McCartney. I want you

791
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,239
to play that song again.

792
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: Did they play it again? Yes?

793
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: They did, Yes they did.

794
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,119
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. All right.

795
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: Can we talk about Tim Capello his version of the

796
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,559
Calls I still.

797
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:20,519
Speaker 1: Believe let me just say one of the most memorable,

798
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:28,000
like bit part cameo things of any movie ever. He

799
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,320
is He created a character that was you were just like,

800
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,320
I know that guy every time I see him. He

801
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,760
is the sexy saxophonist.

802
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,599
Speaker 2: The saxophonists that covered himself with baby oil and sang

803
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:58,239
the song I still believe it's so great. Yeah, and Tim, he.

804
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: Actually sang it like the guy who's up there who

805
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,440
you see is he's not lip syncing some other song.

806
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:06,960
He is an actual musician. He was trained as a musician.

807
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,559
He was in bands in the seventies and eighties. He

808
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,119
got addicted to heroin in the seventies and so in

809
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,679
nineteen seventy nine he quits cold Turkey and takes up bodybuilding,

810
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:31,559
and so he is toured with Carly Simon, Peter Gabriel, Garland, Jeffries.

811
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,119
He was one of the main guys who toured with

812
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,119
Tina Turner. But he would always he would do that

813
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,039
bit like he would grease himself all up and he'd

814
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,239
be next to Carly Simon used to bring him out

815
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,719
in a dog leash and a g string. I don't

816
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,360
know what else to say on top of that. That's

817
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,800
the whole story. That's it's just it's crazy. But man,

818
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,280
what a a memorable.

819
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,639
Speaker 2: Guy, great song, iconic cameo appearance and just really impactful

820
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:05,239
moment in the movie. Yet you say Lost Boys, one

821
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,199
of the first things people think about is the greasy

822
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:07,719
sax player.

823
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Are we ready to move now to final Judgment?

824
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: I think we're ready for final Judgment.

825
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: So we have two movies that are incredibly similar. One

826
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,559
came out an eighty five, one came out in eighty seven.

827
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:24,360
They redefined for us what the vampire was. They made

828
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,719
vampires sexy again. Vampires had gotten silly, and they made

829
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,599
him sexy again with still maintaining some humor in both movies,

830
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,480
which I've told you before is vital for any movie.

831
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,079
You got to have at least a little bit of humor,

832
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,199
and these both of these movies did an impeccable job

833
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,320
of that. I love the way that Tom Holland took

834
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:48,800
this notion of a movie from nineteen forty eight and

835
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:52,719
made it into two different movies, Cloak and Dagger and

836
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:56,840
Fright Night. You know, the boy who cries wolf sees

837
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,719
something out his back window which no one will believe

838
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,320
him about, and the murderer is trying to get him.

839
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:10,119
It's fantastically written. But for me, the Lost Boys, they

840
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:14,119
took it up a notch. They were something I could

841
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:17,559
identify with more like they made me want to be

842
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,519
a vampire. They David Key for Sutherland's part, I mean

843
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:26,079
Key for Sutherland to me is the movie. He is

844
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:29,639
the one who defined and he had less lines than anybody.

845
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:34,480
He just his presence, his looks, everything about him just

846
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,360
made you want to be a part of it. And

847
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,760
that's exactly what he was supposed to be, right, He

848
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,519
was supposed to be somebody that enticed you to do

849
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:44,639
something that logically no one would choose to do. And

850
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,679
he did such a fantastic job with it. So even

851
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,920
though I don't think the script is quite as good

852
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,440
for the Lost Boys, if I got to pick, you know,

853
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,320
if I'm gonna watch one or the other, I'm gonna

854
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,800
I'm gonna pick Lost Boys to watch.

855
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: Okay, here's where I come down. Okay, you pretty much

856
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,639
stole all my thunder there.

857
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:10,599
Speaker 1: But okay, I tried to get you to go fast time.

858
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is the deal. I love both

859
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,039
of these movies in a very equal sense. Half of

860
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:22,840
my personality, like the nerd half of me, the nerd

861
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,440
half of me that likes to stay up late and

862
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,440
watch old monster movies and geek out and think about

863
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,880
what would happen if I vampire move next door to me.

864
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,039
That part of me loves Friday Night to death, the

865
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:41,800
rock and roll, cool, motorcycle, rebellious, never Die, Never Grow Old,

866
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:44,519
run away with the pretty Girl. That part of me

867
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:48,000
loves Lost Boys. So it's a real tough decision for me.

868
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:49,559
I think these are both sort of neck and.

869
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: Neck, but neck and neck, he said, But.

870
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,039
Speaker 2: If I want to be honest, I think that Lost

871
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:01,199
Boys is my preferred movie. It definitely had more of

872
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,800
a cultural impact on me, just from the cast and

873
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,000
the style. The soundtrack is definitely one of my favorites

874
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,840
of the eighties. The coolness of the vampires in Lost

875
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,400
Boys tips the scales for me. It's the one I'm

876
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,679
going to go to. It has so much fun and

877
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,519
the twist end and the fun characters and all the laughs.

878
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Of course, Friday Night has that too, and I would

879
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:30,199
definitely give a recommendation to both of these, But Lost

880
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,719
Boys I think is the more enjoyable of these two.

881
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,480
But that's where I am. Where are you guys? We

882
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:39,079
sure like to hear when people disagree with us, so

883
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,079
way in on Facebook, way in on Twitter, send us

884
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:44,960
an email. We want to hear from you.

885
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: Do not forget to follow our page on Facebook. We've

886
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,000
been overwhelmed by the support we've gotten on Facebook as well.

887
00:47:51,519 --> 00:48:06,119
All right, right, Jason's been fun man cd mhmm, Jason,

888
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:12,679
how are those maggots? Uh? What maggots? Jason? You're eating maggots.

889
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,639
Speaker 2: You're so cool, Brooster