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Speaker 1: AY thirty on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2: It's that time of the week we get to talk
Speaker 2: to retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis to get the Daniel
Speaker 2: Davis Deep Dive. Welcome back to the program, Daniel, my friend.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to have you on as always. Good
Speaker 2: to see Brian.
Speaker 1: How were you. I'm doing well, you know, hanging in there.
Speaker 2: As they say, among the problems in the world, I'm
Speaker 2: surrounded by all it's it's just a bunch of crap.
Speaker 2: Every story you got it is gloom and doom. Four
Speaker 2: corners of the universe seem to be troubled, and that's
Speaker 2: usually what we end up talking about. So it can
Speaker 2: be depressing. But I'm doing fine, and I hope you
Speaker 2: can say the same. We've been talking week after week
Speaker 2: after week about the latest on Russia and Ukraine, and
Speaker 2: I saw some hint of suggestion because Trump apparently had
Speaker 2: a meeting with Zelensky when they were overseas, that crimea
Speaker 2: might be inder consideration that Zelensky might not have that
Speaker 2: red line in the sand. I'm not going to give
Speaker 2: an inch of my territory up. But crime has been
Speaker 2: taking over by Russia. Now for twelve years as Barack
Speaker 2: Obama let it happen, and it's been that way, and
Speaker 2: that seems to be part of sort of a foregone
Speaker 2: conclusion in all of our prior conversations. You talk about
Speaker 2: zelensky lack of willingness to concede any territory. Does he
Speaker 2: think that he can somehow get back CRIMEA. I mean
Speaker 2: recognizing the relative negotiating powers that we've talked about, and
Speaker 2: that he doesn't have a whole lot of of of
Speaker 2: power on his side at the negotiation table.
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, Brian, now, I think that the issue,
Speaker 4: and this may sound like a trite statement, but I
Speaker 4: mean it genuinely. I think he has become delusional in
Speaker 4: his thinking and is not looking at things reality. That's
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why I think that President Trump
Speaker 4: just has to make whatever decision he thinks is best
Speaker 4: for the United States, because he doesn't have a genuine
Speaker 4: partner on the Ukraine side to come up with some
Speaker 4: kind of rational plan that they can present as a
Speaker 4: as a unified side along with Europe in their negotiations
Speaker 4: with Russia.
Speaker 1: Because you have Ukraine, you had the Europe.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're literally all over the map over here,
Speaker 4: and they're not connected with the reality map that Trump
Speaker 4: apparently is, So you see, it's nearly impossible. So the
Speaker 4: only thing that is going to make some sense for
Speaker 4: President Trump is going to be I'm just gonna have
Speaker 4: to make the best deal that I can with Putin
Speaker 4: or I'm just gonna have to walk And Rubio mentioned
Speaker 4: that on Sunday again, and I think that that he
Speaker 4: said this week will be crucial. And I believe that
Speaker 4: Trump is now nearing the point to where he's going
Speaker 4: to say, I've tried everything I can with you guys,
Speaker 4: but you won't deal with the reality that exists on
Speaker 4: the ground. And I'm gonna have to just walk away
Speaker 4: and let you guys figure it out for yourself, because
Speaker 4: if you're not going to listen to Sam any kind
Speaker 4: of common sense, then I can't do anything for you anyway.
Speaker 1: And that'll be a He'll.
Speaker 4: Come under a lot of pressure from that for President Trump,
Speaker 4: but only those who are also not willing to look
Speaker 4: at reality.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where he's headed.
Speaker 2: So Zlonski's basically operating from position of delusion. I mean,
Speaker 2: as anybody sort of slapped him in the face and say,
Speaker 2: what do you god, I mean, what is your argument?
Speaker 2: I mean, your people are being slaughtered on the battlefield,
Speaker 2: and I'll admit that some of the Russians, and I
Speaker 2: guess North Koreans as well at this juncture being slaughtered
Speaker 2: as well, but not the degree the Ukrainian soldiers are.
Speaker 2: They're running out of people to fill the ranks in
Speaker 2: the military. This has been going on for quite some time. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the slaughter goes on. Zelensky's in an untenable position and
Speaker 2: yet won't acknowledge it. I guess I just don't understand
Speaker 2: why didn't somebody just sort of throttle them.
Speaker 4: Right right right that well, I think diplomatically, that's what
Speaker 4: Trump is about ready to do, and I think that
Speaker 4: he's like you would ordinarily think the head of a
Speaker 4: state is somebody that can be dealt with rationally, and
Speaker 4: even if you come to a situation you don't lack,
Speaker 4: the circumstances aren't to your locking, and therefore you can't
Speaker 4: get the outcome that you want. You grudgingly acknowledge what
Speaker 4: is and then get the best out of it you can.
Speaker 4: That's kind of normal how that people would work. But
Speaker 4: Zelensky is not in a normal position. And I think
Speaker 4: that he his situation is exacerbated further and alarmingly so
Speaker 4: by leaders in Europe because instead of throttling him, as
Speaker 4: you just put it, they instead encourage him.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you've had it all the way through.
Speaker 4: You've had Boris Johnson advise against having the Istanbul agreement
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, and you've gotten them now. Germany
Speaker 4: was unpublished published sized said they suggested Zelensky reject Trump's
Speaker 4: plan to quote giveaway crimea and as though there's a
Speaker 4: choice to be made. So that's not just Zelensky, but
Speaker 4: it's also the new incoming government from Germany. And then
Speaker 4: you have of course back Ron and Secure Starmer of
Speaker 4: the UK. They keep talking about this coalition of the willing.
Speaker 4: I mean they're feeding into it. So there's a much
Speaker 4: bigger problem, quite frankly, going on in the Western world
Speaker 4: right now, which complicates this greatly.
Speaker 2: But this pressure on Zelensky to reject the idea of
Speaker 2: negotiating some sort of you know, land force deal with Putin.
Speaker 2: They haven't stepped up and said we will send our
Speaker 2: people in to help and fill the ranks of your
Speaker 2: depleted military. There's been no out loud statement from the
Speaker 2: European Union leaders to that effect. They're just egging him
Speaker 2: on and having his people continue to go through the
Speaker 2: meat grinder.
Speaker 1: Am I or am I wrong on that? Oh you're not.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, the UK in particular has
Speaker 4: gone backwards and said you may recall I want to
Speaker 4: say this is late at December, they were talking about
Speaker 4: a total European force of two hundred thousand's what they
Speaker 4: were looking for. And then they said, well, okay, maybe
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand. And then they start looking at the
Speaker 4: actual numbers of.
Speaker 1: Who could do what. They said, okay, all right, sixty thousand.
Speaker 4: And then the UK said all right, and we'll poney
Speaker 4: up maybe thirty thousand, and then they said okay, well
Speaker 4: actually maybe ten thousand. And now in this past seven
Speaker 4: or so days, it's like, okay, we'll send some trainers
Speaker 4: into Ukraine, not even peacekeepers, because they realized they don't
Speaker 4: have enough, they can't actually do it. But they're still
Speaker 4: talking about this and encouraging Zelensky forward, which has the
Speaker 4: perverse effect that you just laid out there, getting more
Speaker 4: Ukrainian slaughtered in a point in this battle they can't
Speaker 4: win and they just won't come to graps with reality.
Speaker 1: It's really puzzling.
Speaker 2: What is the state of the I mean, we do
Speaker 2: even know what the Ukrainian population wants at this juncture.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2: They do surveys and polls. And it's one thing to
Speaker 2: be patriotic and say, no, damn it, we're not going
Speaker 2: to give the Russians an inch of land. We're going
Speaker 2: to get crimea back. But practically speaking, the people on
Speaker 2: the ground are the ones that have lost their sons
Speaker 2: and their husbands and their grandfathers to this terrible conflict.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: I actually I have talked recently to a former member
Speaker 4: of Zelensky's government. I won't say who. I don't want
Speaker 4: to throw that person under the bus. But they told
Speaker 4: me that the polling that is actually out there shows
Speaker 4: that the further away you are from the line of contact,
Speaker 4: the less willing you are to recognize reality, and the
Speaker 4: more willing you are to say and yes, keep on going,
Speaker 4: even that numbers is coming down. But they said that
Speaker 4: when you're up on the front lines, and I'm talking
Speaker 4: within like one hundred kilometers or so, those people are
Speaker 4: saying this is dumb let's don't do this anymore. We
Speaker 4: will just keep losing more territory now than there was
Speaker 4: four more villages this morning around the area of Pakrosk
Speaker 4: on the Ukraine side, which has received orders to evacuate
Speaker 4: because the Russians are continuing to go forward. Russia gained
Speaker 4: twenty seven square kilometers of territory in the last twenty
Speaker 4: four hours, so their advances are accelerating, and now more
Speaker 4: Ukrainian people are put at risk, and there's more flight
Speaker 4: going on inside the country, and you keep seeing that
Speaker 4: over and over, and you just got to ask yourself,
Speaker 4: how much worse does it have to get before you
Speaker 4: finally come to a recognition that the war can't even
Speaker 4: be stopped much less one. But unfortunately, it looks like
Speaker 4: that there is no end inside and so that means
Speaker 4: this by definition, Russia will eventually conquer what it wants
Speaker 4: on the ground, aside from the negotiation, because they don't
Speaker 4: have a partner that they feel that can discuss it with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every day that goes by, they lose even more
Speaker 2: negotiating power, not that they have a whole lot to
Speaker 2: start with. Daniel Davis, So I wish we had some
Speaker 2: really positive news that come from that front. But it's well,
Speaker 2: you get the leader.
Speaker 4: At least President Trump is grounded in reality and he's
Speaker 4: trying to do something that nobody else had done. It's
Speaker 4: definitely the previous administration. So there is some positive on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, real quick, just you your thumbnail sketch boiled
Speaker 2: down take on our military strikes against the against the Hoothies.
Speaker 2: We've been dropping all kinds of bombs on them lately.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been dropping bombs and we've been losing drones,
Speaker 4: these multimillion dollar drones. I think like seven of them
Speaker 4: in the last week or so. And then I don't
Speaker 4: know if you noticed, but yesterday in the Red Sea,
Speaker 4: one of the Hoothy missiles came so close to the
Speaker 4: aircraft carrier, one of the air correct careers we have
Speaker 4: in there that we had to maneuver out in this
Speaker 4: emergency situation and lost an F eighteen over the side.
Speaker 1: How does that droppen?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: How does that happen? Because they were just.
Speaker 4: Doing a normal move on their on their hangar by
Speaker 4: moving a plane around, when all of a sudden they
Speaker 4: had an emergency requirement to uh maneuver away from a ship,
Speaker 4: I mean away from an anti missile ship, any ship missile,
Speaker 4: and because of that the ship lists very heavily to
Speaker 4: the side and it literally rolled into the sea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what an embarrassment for the United States military on
Speaker 2: that score.
Speaker 4: This is a mission. We can't fight. We can't win
Speaker 4: this militarily. All we're gonna do is lose millions of dollars.
Speaker 4: Now it's into the billions in the curtain in terms
Speaker 4: of the missile too, and you're not gonna knock them out.
Speaker 2: We need to do something different. Daniel Davis Deep Dive
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Speaker 1: Uh again.
Speaker 2: Sometimes depressing Daniel, but always interesting, stand up on top
Speaker 2: of things, speaking truth to in the face of insanity.
Speaker 1: DL said, thanks next week.
Speaker 2: We'll talk next Tuesday. Brother eight forty I fifty five
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