WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.679 --> 00:00:04.839 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:08.160 story isn't from a one time weekend bigfooter. It's from 3 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:11.000 Brian Seech, a man who's spent over thirty five years 4 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:14.439 digging through reports, wandering the forests of Pennsylvania and West 5 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:18.239 Virginia and chasing a presence he's never quite caught. A 6 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:21.039 silent forest, a feeling of dread, and a creature none 7 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:24.199 of them could see, all of them felt. In this episode, 8 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.160 we'll hear about the Ohio Howell, the strange white Bigfoot 9 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:30.559 of Beaver County, and the moment Brian realized this wasn't 10 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.600 just research, it was personal. Stay with us all right, 11 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:36.159 Bigfoot Society, But the privilege of talking to Brian Seech 12 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:38.960 today from out there in West Virginia. He heads up 13 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:43.759 the Center for Cryptozoological Studies. He's been investigating Bigfoot in 14 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.640 other cryptids for over thirty five years. I've been wanting 15 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:48.759 to talk to Brian on the podcast for a while. 16 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:51.799 Now we finally got it to work out, So welcome 17 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:52.200 to the show. 18 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.560 Brian. How's it going today? 19 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:57.200 Oh it's about great though, Thanks for having me. 20 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:01.920 Oh yeah, no, I mean, we were talking before we 21 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:07.680 started rolling that we've actually we've met in person at 22 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:12.760 Monsterfest when Small Town Monsters had their their get together 23 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:15.640 and we had we had a good little chat back then. 24 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:18.120 But it's good to have you on the show finally. 25 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:20.760 Oh yeah, definitely. 26 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:23.959 I was looking forward to, so, Brian, when we have 27 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:27.640 an individual like yourself on the show, where you've you've 28 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:31.079 been in this field for just I mean, we just 29 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:33.840 said it over thirty five years. That's a long long time. 30 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:36.599 So I'd love to start. You know, what was it 31 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:41.280 that first got you into going after Bigfoot and other 32 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:42.480 cryptids to begin with? 33 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.640 Yeah? Sure, so so basically, you know, I grew up 34 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.359 in the seventies, Okay, grew up in the seventies watching 35 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.280 things like Leonard Nimoy in search of all the documentaries, 36 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.280 you know, Legend of Balgy Creek, Call, all the ones 37 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.879 that were out there. And I was always a big 38 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:06.680 sci fi geek too, so I was always interested in monsters. 39 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:11.639 And when I found out later on because I'm originally 40 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:19.159 from Aliquipa, Pennsylvania and we just moved to Weirton, West Virginia, 41 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:23.919 so I would watch a show called a Chila Theater 42 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.280 with Chili Billy Cardilly, and I always especially like all 43 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:33.599 of the monster shows, especially anything about Bigfoot, and just 44 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:37.000 from there when I met my wife and you know, 45 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:39.599 we got married, she had an interest too in all 46 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:43.840 the unexplained, So we formed our first group. Actually we 47 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.000 were married in eighty five. Our first group was formed 48 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.599 in eighty six, which was Q acronym q CUE Center 49 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:54.840 for Explaining Events. Later on we added our newer group 50 00:02:54.919 --> 00:03:00.000 in twenty twelve, which was the Center for Cryptozoological Studies CCS. 51 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:06.599 We got that group because we wanted to focus more onencryptives. 52 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:11.080 Now we still have Q and Q. When we formed 53 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:13.360 it in eighty six, we formed it to be a 54 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.479 clearinghouse of all all unexplaining mother b UFOs that you know, 55 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:23.639 Bigfoot ghosts. But we went into the into CCS in 56 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:27.879 twenty twelve to try to get more encryptied reports in general, 57 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:28.960 not just Bigfoot, but. 58 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:35.199 Such such a history. 59 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.879 So most of a lot of your research has taken 60 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:42.560 place in Pennsylvania over the years, is that right? 61 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:49.439 Yeah, the bulk of Pennsylvania, some in the eastern Ohio 62 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:53.680 and then now also now in the Panhandle of western 63 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.719 north excuse me, the northern Panhandle of West Virginia, but 64 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:01.439 the bulk of it, like about eighty percent was in Pennsylvania. 65 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:02.159 Gotcha. 66 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:05.919 So when you were let's let's say we'll talk about 67 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:09.759 Pennsylvania for a little bit and specifically Bigfoot. You know, 68 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:15.879 over the years, were there any investigations that you were 69 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.680 involved with or any memorable you know, you're out in 70 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.319 the field, you're you're investigating a sighting and and is 71 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:25.279 something pretty cool happened? 72 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:32.839 Well? We, uh, one of the apartments, the more interesting 73 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:35.759 ones we had was uh and I'm sure you've heard that, 74 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:38.920 you know the place Salt Fork State Park. Oh yeah, 75 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:42.480 over and over again in uh, you know, having people 76 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.839 talk about bigfoot. So we we were there for one 77 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.800 of uh. At the time, it was don Keating holding 78 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:54.839 the conferences. Uh. So we had a couple of our members. 79 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.240 We were at the conference coming back from the conference, 80 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.720 and about five of our members were at a place 81 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:07.000 called the Handicap Shelter. They were already there, so that myself, 82 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:11.839 my wife, Terry, and Dave and carry Rupert. They came 83 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.120 with us from the conference. So we went to meet 84 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.399 up with every you know, our other our other group. 85 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.839 So we we pull into this this area, and it's 86 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:27.759 called the handicap shelter. And so Terry and I get out, 87 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:29.720 and then Dave and carry get out all at the 88 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:34.000 same time. Okay, And honestly, honestly, God. 89 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:38.079 When we we got out of those cars, okay, we 90 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:43.920 all almost stopped suddenly and like looked at each other, 91 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:45.879 and we we were hit with this feeling. 92 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.680 You know, some call it maybe in for sound, you know, hey, 93 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.920 maybe we were zapped, you know, things like that. But 94 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:57.639 we all stopped and looked, looked at each other, and 95 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.839 and Dave and I looked at each other and we said, hey, 96 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:06.120 day something something's off here. And we had been to 97 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:10.759 that that shelter numerous times, okay, but we got out 98 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.360 of those cars and it was like this something hit 99 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:19.040 us that said, wow, we shouldn't be here. It was 100 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:24.279 this feeling of dread, this this sense that that something 101 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.560 wasn't right. So we got we got out of the 102 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:30.079 cars and we walked it underneath this this the big 103 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.959 handicaped shelter there. And as soon as we got there, 104 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:39.480 one of our members said, something something is off tonight. 105 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.240 They felt it too, okay, they they felt that the 106 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.079 woods will you know, the woods were deadly found. This 107 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:49.519 is probably about like ten thirty seven o'clock at night, 108 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:54.800 and we're all just looking at each other and they said, 109 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.199 something's off. Something feels really impressive here. It almost feels 110 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:04.639 like you're being waked again. They didn't see anything, they 111 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.399 didn't hear anything when they were there. They just felt something. 112 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:09.240 So David and I went back to the cars, got 113 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:13.040 our I got my night no Dave got his night vision, 114 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:17.319 and I got my parabolic and we walked around the area. 115 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:21.199 We walked up and down the parking lot, and we 116 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:26.000 just felt like we felt something was watching us, that 117 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:31.279 something I just didn't want us there. We've only ever 118 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:35.959 felt that. I felt that one other time slightly up 119 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.399 in oil City at a park two mile run, when 120 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:43.000 as soon as we were getting into the woods, you 121 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:47.759 literally stopped. You felt like there was literally something watching you, 122 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:53.279 staring at you. You felt very, very uncomfortable. Those two 123 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:59.199 instances there were through the instances where we could say, hey, 124 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:02.199 there might have actually been something there. We also heard 125 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:07.199 in twenty twelve Terry and I and Dave and Kerry 126 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:10.279 Rupert also they've been with us, who are really good 127 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:16.240 friends for probably I think sixteen seventeen years we heard 128 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.480 the Ohio how down at Beaver Creek State Park. And 129 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:23.439 I was and as we had talked very briefly before, 130 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:28.480 I was on the several small Town Monsters episodes, and 131 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.279 the latest one was Bigfoot Decoded Layer of the Sasquatch, 132 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:36.759 and that was down at Beaver Creek State Park. And 133 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:41.080 that's where it happened at Beaver Creek State Park. But 134 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:45.120 it was a long drawing out how and if you know, 135 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:47.039 anyone would go on to be a for our website 136 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:51.200 and type in the Ohio how, that's that's what we heard, 137 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.559 the Ohio how. We were actually on that property when 138 00:08:54.600 --> 00:09:00.080 I was a member of the PA Bigfoot Society and 139 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:04.679 we were on that property, myself and several other researchers, 140 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:08.000 and that was in Wellsville, Ohio, which was not that 141 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:13.039 far from Beaver Cree State Park. So those were probably 142 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.679 the three of the instances where, you know, out of 143 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:19.039 all the instances, although you know, we were out, you know, 144 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.559 out there on night ops or you know, just hiking 145 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:27.480 through the woods, three of the instances where the only 146 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.320 time I could really say there might have might have 147 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.279 been something, there would have been those three. 148 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:39.879 Instances interesting and that we were talking about that this 149 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:44.080 small Town Monsters episode of Bigfoot to coda that you 150 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:45.320 were involved recently. 151 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:47.200 It's it's really really good. 152 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:50.600 And I'm going to have the link in the description 153 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.320 so that I would hope everyone listening to this checks 154 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:57.480 it out afterwards if they haven't already. But it really 155 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.919 allows you to see, you know, what it is that 156 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:05.080 you were dealing with out there in that area, which 157 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:11.159 is is really cool. Have you been fortunate enough to 158 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:17.240 have any visuals during your time investigating of Bigfoot or 159 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:22.799 anything that you think may have been a close call 160 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:23.120 at all? 161 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:30.039 No, I can honestly say I have never seen anything this. 162 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.919 This is the why that I'm still in it while 163 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.519 my wife is stilling it. We want to see something 164 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.440 before we you know, right off into the sunset instead 165 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.600 to speak. This is why I do it. I remember 166 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:46.759 in the seventies sitting and watching my Sterious Monsters and 167 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.639 the lady sitting sitting in the window and the arm 168 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:51.600 comes through the window, and I'm sure you saw that 169 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.960 many times, and that just got me hooked. And just 170 00:10:55.960 --> 00:11:00.440 for that little kid there sitting there watching it being fast, 171 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:04.600 I'm like, wow, if these things are real, I want 172 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:08.039 to see one that would mean everything to me. That 173 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:10.759 would probably, and my wife doesn't believe me. Should I 174 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.559 see one, I may be done with bigfooting, because this 175 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:15.759 is the reason I'm in it. I'm never going to 176 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.159 prove it to the world, you know, unless you know, 177 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.840 I would accidentally happen to hit it like Harry and 178 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:24.960 the Henderson's and then put it on my roof or something. 179 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:29.279 But I'm never going to prove to anybody that exists, 180 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:31.759 no matter what I could do. So I have to 181 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.759 prove it to myself. And that's why I'm still in it. 182 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:38.240 I want to see something. I have a lot of 183 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:43.559 good friends who've seen them, and it's just like, you know, 184 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:45.240 I never have. And it's like all the time and 185 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.159 effort that my wife and I and our group and 186 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.519 our organization has put into it and we haven't had 187 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:54.039 any visual Sometimes it's like, Wow, some of these people 188 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.720 just go out or you know, they'll be driving down 189 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:58.200 the road, this thing will run in front of them, 190 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.360 by by by dumb luck. You know, they see something, 191 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.240 and then we're putting all this time and effort and nothing. 192 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.080 It's it does get frustrating. I will say that. 193 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:17.120 It's such an interesting thing because I am well five 194 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:23.960 years into this podcast, but focused on Bigfoot specifically. I 195 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.879 would say we're probably getting close to like two years 196 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:32.600 and I'm I'm our Like, my thing now is I 197 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:37.360 just want, honestly, I just want to have some sort 198 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.279 of visual I just need. I need to get past 199 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.519 it and to hear you talk as well. I mean, 200 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.559 I might be trying to have that for a very 201 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.799 long time. It's a possibility, but it is kind of like, 202 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:53.000 I don't know what it is, but it's especially when 203 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:55.759 you hear so many people talk about it, you know. 204 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:59.679 I talked to so many people on this show, all 205 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:02.279 different parts of the country, and it's like, man, it 206 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:05.360 just feels like if I put myself in the right 207 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:10.720 area and maybe I don't have electronics, maybe it will happen, 208 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.720 you know, the right intention. How are you guys, when 209 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.399 you guys go out with your group, how are you 210 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.080 set up? Are you going out with cameras and in 211 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:24.960 different things? Are you going out kind of you know, undercover, 212 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.080 with not a lot of electronics or how are you prepared? 213 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:32.039 Probably I would guess probably maybe half and a half. 214 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:35.360 There are times we just go hiking. We go hiking 215 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:41.679 in areas that have had encounters. Now, if we go 216 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:45.320 on like an investigation, we're usually almost always carrying cameras 217 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.799 or parabolics. We're trying to document, you know, we're trying 218 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:53.480 to document what we see, hopefully we see something. But 219 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:57.919 if we're just out of hiking, we're normally not carrying 220 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.679 all that equipment. We're we do carry like a camera, 221 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.799 but we won't a lot of times we don't have 222 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:08.399 them on because we kind of I want hopefully this 223 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:10.720 thing seeing us just hiking through the woods, you know, 224 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:12.960 not you know, you have cameras on you, but there 225 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:14.840 we try to try to conceal them a little bit, 226 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.399 bring them out every once in a while. But but 227 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.679 when we're on like any kind of investigation or a 228 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.519 night off, yeah, we have all of our stuff with us, Stefan, 229 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.799 and maybe, as you said to you what you just said, 230 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:31.919 and I've thought a lot of times, you know, let's 231 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.159 just go out night a couple of times and not 232 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:37.919 have anything with us, just you know, we would never 233 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:40.799 be able to prove what we saw. But if it 234 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.159 would spur an encounter, then I think it would, you know, 235 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:46.039 it would be worth it. The time we heard the 236 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:52.639 Ohio how we were actually above Beaver Creek and at 237 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:57.279 the campground, and we were just finishing up a like 238 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.440 a Halloween weekend for the kids and stuff there. And 239 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.279 so it was about one thirty two in the morning 240 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:04.879 that we were saying good night to Ruperts and we 241 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:07.080 heard how we weren't prepared at all. I mean we 242 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:10.559 were getting ready to go to bed and just one 243 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.960 long drawn out how it was in the would have 244 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:19.360 been in the valley below it, and we weren't prepared. Now, 245 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:20.799 if we were not bet if we were sitting up 246 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.159 there with you know, with our with our parabolic and 247 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:27.120 our paper recorder, we probably nothing. Probably what happened, right, 248 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:31.840 But yeah, sometimes it's almost like a cruel hand of 249 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:34.519 fake here. It's like, you know, after all this, after 250 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:36.879 all the time and money, after we have a huge job. 251 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:40.840 We call our library the s Files. We've had that 252 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:49.840 since nineteen eighty six, and we collect as many newspaper articles, magazines, books, 253 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:53.240 old newsletters. We have a bunch of old researcher They 254 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:57.679 give us old material that's very hard to find. We 255 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:04.200 work with doctor Paul Johnson. He's the second longest bigfoot 256 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.840 UFO researcher in Pennsylvania and he's been doing it since 257 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:12.639 the seventies, so you know, he's he's given us most 258 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:15.159 of his material, and its stuff's hard to find, you know, 259 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.919 And it's just with all this stuff, you know, you 260 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.639 read about how these people just like some chant, you know, 261 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:25.360 even though they'll be walking into the woods, boom, something 262 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.559 pops off or something throws a rock at them. It's 263 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.799 just you and I know you've heard you know, you've 264 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.399 read probably one hundred I've read thousands of encounters since 265 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.320 the seventies. I used to I used to have a 266 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:40.360 little collection in the seventies and then right right you know, 267 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:43.960 maybe around I was maybe fourteen fifteen, and I've gotten 268 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:46.360 rid of some of it. This collection would be even 269 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:51.320 bigger now, which which seemed almost impossible. But so much 270 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.799 out there, so many things, so many people have seen 271 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:58.039 these things for years, and it's documented, and as you said, 272 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:04.240 all across the United States. You know, we mainly focus PA, 273 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:08.119 Eastern Ohio, in the Panhandle, West Virginia, just three states. 274 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:12.079 And but yeah, you've done it all, so you've heard 275 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:13.559 all the stories yourself. 276 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:19.200 I can't imagine what that library must be like. It 277 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:24.240 must be just just massive and irreplaceable for sure. I 278 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:27.119 mean there's certain people I think about in the field. 279 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:29.759 Now you're one of them, but I think of people 280 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:34.480 like Stan Gordon, like his library must be massive as well. 281 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:39.599 But you know there is you mentioned. You know, you've 282 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:43.119 read all these reports, you know, for so many years, 283 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:48.559 and I'm sure that you've found some interesting patterns between 284 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:54.440 the different witness reports that you've read. Have you noticed 285 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:58.160 any patterns over the years that usually the person is 286 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:04.240 or maybe different patterns between witnesses, like a common thread 287 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.559 at all when you've been reading these reports. 288 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:11.920 Well, especially like a lot of the ones we get, uh, 289 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:15.519 can be very simple. They're driving down you know, our 290 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.359 road at night and one of these creatures just runs 291 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.759 in front of them. I mean, people said, hey, what 292 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:23.000 what's the best way to go look for bigfoots? Some say, 293 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:24.319 you know, you know, hey, go out in the middle 294 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:26.519 of the woods, do this, do this, blah blah blah. 295 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:29.480 Sometimes I say, hey, just drive down all these dark 296 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:33.599 roads that it has lightings. You're just as apt to 297 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:35.960 see maybe to see it. Have something run across then 298 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:39.000 that have them come to you, you know, maybe by accident. 299 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:42.279 And if you do, you know, you read enough of 300 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:46.039 their reports the reports can be redundant, like even out 301 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.160 west to out east, even the same patterns, almost the 302 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:53.480 same behaviors with these creatures do. One of the more 303 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:57.000 interesting reports we got that we got was one of 304 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:58.880 the actually one of the first funds that we actually 305 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:02.160 we actually took here Beaver in Beaver County. So it 306 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.839 was it a place called Brad's Run Park and it 307 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.359 was after a after a storm. There was two ladies 308 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:13.359 that were underneath the shelter the storm went by. They 309 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:15.799 get on their horses and they're riding up the trail 310 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:20.440 to the woods and they they see either left, let 311 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.839 you know, off to their left, they see something that 312 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:26.079 looked like it was crouching, and it got up and 313 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:29.559 it stood up and and the really cool interesting thing 314 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:32.799 about this is this creature, I think it was a 315 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.880 dark brown creature. It put its hands in the air okay, 316 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:43.200 and it showed its teeth okay. And of course they 317 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:46.400 were scared in their horses. They just they just went 318 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:50.839 straight up the hill to the house. So years later, uh, 319 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:53.160 you know, I always watched Finding Bigfoot, and of course 320 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.680 I'm sure you you know you watched it, and there 321 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:59.960 was an episode about their rang Pendeck in so I 322 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:05.440 and one of the the eyewitnesses he's and the the 323 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:09.839 the rang pen ran pendick are smaller four or five 324 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:15.440 foot taul creatures. This creature when he saw it, it 325 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.119 put its hands over his head and it growled at him. 326 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:24.200 Now you want to talk about similarities from Pennsylvania to Sumatra. 327 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.519 Difference in size, but they both have the same pattern. 328 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:30.119 They put their hands in their hands in the air 329 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:32.359 and they grow out at them. When I saw that, 330 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.480 I mean I got goosebumps. I'm like, wow, our very 331 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:40.359 first report we took it and its behaviors mimicked this 332 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:42.880 irang pendick. Don't you think that was pretty cool? I 333 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.480 thought that was pretty cool. I really did. I was like, wow, 334 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:46.039 you know. 335 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:48.680 It's stuff like that. 336 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:53.920 It just blows my mind, right, I mean, so an 337 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:57.880 example like I took ever report really close to my 338 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:04.400 let's say bay in Iowa, like very close the few 339 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:06.559 nights ago, to the point where it's like I can 340 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:10.920 easily drive there and investigate the area, which has never 341 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:16.039 happened to me. And the person who shared the report 342 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:20.680 was saying how there was something that was surrounding them 343 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:22.960 in the woods and it was making a clicking noise, 344 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:27.039 and I was like, that's weird. I've never heard that, 345 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:29.440 and it kind of made me be like, Okay, this 346 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:33.160 is very strange. And then literally the next day I 347 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:37.279 did an interview with a couple from North Georgia and 348 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:40.559 one of the main things They're like, yeah, the bigfoot 349 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:42.480 around here make a clicking. 350 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:44.119 Noise, and I was like, what in the world. 351 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.519 So it's these patterns, And there's another pattern that I 352 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.279 want to ask you if you've ever noticed yourself. It's 353 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.680 really on my mind right now because I've been noticing 354 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:54.880 a lot of it in different reports. 355 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:55.680 I'm getting. 356 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:01.880 It seems that more often than not, these individuals that 357 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:08.400 will have a encounter with a bigfoot right before or 358 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.359 in let's say, a week before or days before, they've 359 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.720 had some really intense traumatic event happen where it's either 360 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:22.519 they've lost a loved one, they've gotten divorced, just things 361 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.160 that really really really shake you up. And then they're like, 362 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:28.279 you know what, forget this, I'm going into the woods, 363 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:32.319 I'm getting away from it, and boom they run into 364 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.720 a bigfoot. Is that anything that you've noticed over the years, 365 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.799 or maybe just a pattern that I picked up myself recently. 366 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:44.119 Well, we've had a couple, a couple of people who've 367 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:49.039 talked about one woman was going through a difficult time 368 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.519 in her life and one of these creatures. And this 369 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:59.559 lady's actually interviewed on the Buck Eyed Bigfoot series. Sure, 370 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:05.359 and and I was able to provide them. Uh. Two 371 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:09.599 eyewitnesses who who both a woman and a man who 372 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:12.920 did not know each other. One was in h one 373 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:16.400 saw a white creature in Beaver Creek State Park, Okay 374 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:21.759 where we filmed that and uh. The other was in 375 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.480 Beaver County, which uh, which I grew up in. In 376 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:32.720 Beaver County butts up against Columbiana County in Ohio. So 377 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.640 if you were like look at a map, you would 378 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:39.519 see Columbia County Beaver Creek, and right across from it 379 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:44.079 is uh is Beaver County. And they both and both 380 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:47.839 of these eyewitnesses interviews are in the Buck Eye Bigfoot. 381 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:52.240 I I think it's it. The episode was like towards 382 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.559 one of the ends about the white creature, about the 383 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:58.519 white Bayfoot, and they both saw the same thing and 384 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.880 we were able. Unfortunately, my wife and I were not 385 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:06.440 able to the eyewitnesses wanted to meet each other, so 386 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:09.279 we had to get permission from each of them to say, hey, 387 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:11.759 we have another eyewitness who we believe might have seen 388 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.079 the same thing. Would you be able to meet up 389 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.880 with them? And unfortunately, we had something that came up 390 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.680 and we could not do it. But we still said, okay, 391 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.119 here here's the names. And they met up. And I 392 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:28.079 wish we could have could have just sat there and 393 00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:30.759 listened to both of them. It's just we were something 394 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.319 came up and we were just unable to make it. 395 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.400 And they both described the same thing. And so the 396 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:42.160 lady in Beaver County had seen it, I believe about 397 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.240 three times over a twenty year period. Okay, and I 398 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.279 could that might not be exact, you know, and the 399 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.519 gentleman saw it once, but you know, basically the seven 400 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:55.119 foot tall creature almost like the hair was almost covering 401 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:59.720