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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to The Daredevil Born

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Again Season two review series. I am the liar dress.

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Now I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: Buy Hey, my name is almost You're lying.

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Speaker 1: He's lying, He's telling the truth. My one of my

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favorite bits of this episode. But I know you're fin lying.

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I will say, like, they trouple a lot of f

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bombs on the show, now, right, I'm not alone in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, anytime Matt is saying one, it always surprises

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me a little bit. Yeah, even though it shouldn't at

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this point.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and I guess it doesn't matter because now

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what we do other than the finale and the premiere,

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we just get right in a spoiler. So if you're

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not seen episode two or three, which I am seeing

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the title, I spelled episode wrong, so we have to

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fix that. But if you've not seen them, we're just

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getting right in a full spoilers. But when Matt like

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leaned down to Guy and said, like, you better do

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this or you're fucked, I was like, I was so wow,

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it was good. But it's just still like we're hearing

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that right, Like sometimes it works and then sometimes it

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feels like, oh, we can swear if you feels like

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it's the Steve Buscemi meme where it's like, hey, you're

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on Disney Plus it's radar, but we want to make

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sure people know it's radar, So give us up more

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of those f bombs going on.

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Speaker 2: Fox was feeling himself tonight, I will.

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Speaker 1: Say, yes, yeah, absolutely so. No, we got some fun

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to talk about. Uh as usual, a lot of stuff

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on the feeds patroon best way to listen. I'll talk

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about that a little bit later, but uh yeah, Dylan,

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we're twenty four hours away from Mario, which is fun.

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I'm more more so just twenty four hours away from Fox. McLeod.

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You know, I heard your newscast. I heard your newscasts.

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Couldn't believe you'ren't going, but I get it. But yeah,

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I'm just I'm just there to see that that what

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is it a y wing? Right? They're flying?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's wing typically, but isn't that like a

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Star Wars thing.

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Speaker 1: Actually star wing or Star Wars? Yeah? Do they also

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call it next Wing?

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Speaker 2: Well, I know the big ship is called the Star

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Star Fox, yes, but I don't know what their individual

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little little ones are because I've never really heard star Fox.

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I just I know this, but got the guy from

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Smash to me, he's a Smash character.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. Yeah that's another cast. I'm one side

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question and I still talk about it. But that's the

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thing where because I posted star Fox and I talked

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about very excited now my Twitter algorithm whenever I go

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on star Fox coded big debate and argument between people

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that his name's not star Fox, it's Fox McLoud and

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so yeah we'll get yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean Travis Hu or I mean Taylor Rather had

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the whole debate on the cast too of his his

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dad's name and all this stuff. There's a lot of

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crazy lore that we learned in that episode. That was

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That was a fun episode. I feel like people should

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go back and check that one out if you missed it.

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Speaker 1: It was especially the star Fox segment, those sounds he

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was making. That was a good time. So but you know,

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it was a good time. Maybe this maybe not, I

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don't know. Episode two and three of Boring in Awesome

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mean Dylan reviewed that last week Taylor Kirkland should be

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on next week. Taylor's gonna do the double because the

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way it was his kid's bedtime.

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Speaker 2: I could barely do the Doubler. It was a lot.

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Speaker 1: It was well, especially too, it's not like an old

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school Disney plus Doubler where it was, oh, they're two

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thirty minute episodes, it's like a full episode, right, it'd

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say they were both fifty minutes plus, which is is

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it's nice because it's old school Air Devil and then

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Kirkle was six. So hopefully we'll hear some of their thoughts,

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I guess on newscast on Thursday. I'm sure we might

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hear someone on what we've been watching. But Dylan Muss

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last week we were I think pretty positive, like, okay,

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this is a good start as a two and three.

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How did you feel about these episodes and did you

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feel it was a right pairing or did you feel

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you could have watched two by itself? How was this experience?

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And you said this almost mini movie experience for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. I think after episode

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two movie. We speculated this last last week, like why

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are they putting these two episodes together? And I think

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I've seen it. I've seen the reason for that because

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episode two I was like, I feel like I'm in

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a desert right now and I'm just searching for an oasis,

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searching for water in any way I can find.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: But then episode three comes around and I think I'm

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on the surface of a rackets the spice is flowing,

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good Man. So I I think this was a good

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mixture of episodes, kind of a slow, slower one. There's

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some things happening, but it's even Matt. It's like barely

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in the episode. I feel like Charlie, you know, almost

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he takes complet backseat in that one. But then episode three,

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there's a ton of juicy stuff that's happening in here.

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we get a juicy courtroom scene, we get some good

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character development, and honestly, a surprising amount of things occurred.

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I feel like, you know where we leave off at

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the end of this episode, That is what I thought

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would maybe you would be at the end of a

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episode five or six or something leading into like a

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kind of a finale moment, and we're here now. So

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it makes it gets me hope that there's gonna be

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a lot that happens this season, which is kind of

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surprising because episode one and two were kind of slow.

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introduce all the characters and storylines, but I feel like

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we're just full into it now, which I guess makes

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sense because we only have five more episodes at this point.

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But yeah, I was pretty pretty enthused with the kind

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of third episode. In general, I would say where it

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leaves us off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's always not always because then sometimes

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you'd be like, what else do we do? But I'd

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say most of the time, especially in this job, when

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we dissect things, do predictions talk about trailers when things

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happen sooner than you think where it's like, oh, that's

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probably the ending. You know. I saw all this song

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week or Tres told you today with Mike ause he

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put this on discord too, Like when we the newest

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he Man trailer, don't lots of people are worried, like

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is this dude just really he Man for that last

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like fifteen twenty minutes the movie where his shirtless and

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that's a sore, right, So I guarantee you Master Universe

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fan because I'm not seeing that, but I guarantee those

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fans if it's halfway through the movie and he's shirtless

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in that spirit of the sword, you're like oh, thank god,

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you know, we don't got to worry about that. That's

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where with this it's like the same thing, the fact

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that we go to what did they call it was

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Red Hook or I think was red Hook this person. Yeah,

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and we're doing a bunch of busts out even the trial.

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could happen, but they're kind of gearing up to the

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wards that maybe they'll be back when Matt's there. No,

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we got a trial episode three. It's funny there I

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last season, would Punisher and Daredevil together were the highlights

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of that I feel like on since the Netflix era,

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this is the highest I've been on this particular show

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because it just felt like what we talked about a

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few times, where characters that I don't care too often about,

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there's still one we're gonna talk about. I don't know

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what they're doing, but there's still I feel like there

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are making other characters, even the Swordsman, who sure he

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wasn't Hawkeye, but we barely got to know that dude

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right like he seemed like he was a criminal, and

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now they're making him seem like he was a I

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guess a vigilante who wash So it's like okay. And

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even the person that Matt I always forget her name

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that was running the firm with Matt, Like I'm liking

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some of her character details, but there's stuff with not

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just the trial. And this isn't a case of oh,

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they need to do this and all like the show.

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There were just multiple questions I had last week where

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I went, okay, and we'll get into like what about

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this what's this character's motivation? Where last season I felt

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like we never got that or it was a very

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minor type of answer. Yeah, here it is like Okay,

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we talked about with Heather, right she hates vigilantes and

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why does she talk like why is she still even

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in this episode she calls mus a vigilante. He was

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not vigilant. He was killing innocent people for art, Like

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there's no correlation there, right, So I feel like last

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season had a lot of those, but I particular points

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with Fisk, some stuff with Matt and Karen and I

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talked about that are crucial things to their characters. That

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were all those Netflix shows that are either back or

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just being refleshed out. And that's so great because it

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feels like these characters are three D. They're actually not

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just Okay, stop bad guy fight and move on to

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the next thing. Right, there's clashing going on and it

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makes sense, like we'll get into But my biggest thing

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last week was why is Fisk not telling everybody who

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Daredevil is? And they gave multiple reasons, huge plot threat,

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and I was like, it all made sense. It made

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me feel good as a year, and that's what it

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show should do, is that's when we bring up questions.

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just like, okay, a movie, show, video game is doing this,

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why is it doing this right? And then when it

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gives a good reason, it's that that's the best feeling

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and the worst feeling sometimes. And I think we've gone

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that sometimes with I'll keep it in this round in

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the mqu marble shows that sometimes there's just not a reason,

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whether it's good or bad. It's just something happens and

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we move along because we got to set X, Y

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and Z. But I think that's also helped this year

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with it having the longer run times, like you said,

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being a mini movie, but it helps having fifty minutes

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plus and not just be you know, ten minutes of

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credits and get to know the situations and the characters.

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because I feel like this is episode three, We're ramping up,

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and I feel like there's a hopefully clear vision We're

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not gonna have a weird pivot in the middle of

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the season. So I'm pretty optimistic right now. Watch next

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week be like a stinker or something. But I'm feeling

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really good right now.

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Speaker 2: So we haven't even seen uh, Jessica Jones yet, and

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I'm sure that's gonna be really exciting, uh plot whatever,

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even if she's in there just for a bit, but like, yeah,

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we haven't even gotten into that yet, and we're already

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this high in the season is pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: Well, and even stuff like the White Tiger stuff, Yeah,

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I kind of forgot about that character, and not in

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a bad sense. I liked that storyline. I like the

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daughter that was left behind, but when she came back

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in this episode. I was like, Okay, I like this character,

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like Ori, we're going it's not a three episode, Like

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should I get out there and help? Should I not?

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They did that right at the beginning where the mom says, hey,

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I don't really want you doing that stuff. Stop following

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that stuff like let's live her life like he because

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they talk about oh what if he didn't put on

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the caution right, kind of insinuating that, you know, your

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father was a good guy? Was it father? Uncle? It

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was an uncle? I think I can't remember who he was.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll look it up in a second, but either way,

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it's like.

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Speaker 2: Too soon in the series for me to remember.

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Speaker 1: He didn't remember. He just died an alley to fake

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punisher in the out like the Terrible Death. But that's

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where I'm invested in this character. And it wasn't a Okay,

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we're gonna h hum for a bit. It gave the

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stakes of hey, he did a lot of good things,

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but he paid for it. Shouldn't have done that. They

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did a great situation at the grocery store whatever convenience

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store where I love that you have them too, and

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then you have the three kind of dickheads that are

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looking like they're stealing, and then you have the shop

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owner and they all are imposing sides when the scene starts,

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but by the scene ends, it shows Oh, it doesn't

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even matter. You can be criminal owner, just a person

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that's coming to shop and look what's happening to you.

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I do think too for a throw to you. I

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do wonder how people feel because we got this a

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couple of times lash of people not loving the Mayorfist storyline,

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not because it was bad, but just because it was

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too similar life. I will say this is a show.

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jury duty like company retreats escapism, this show is not it.

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this show is like literally just taking things that are

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happening in the news, specifically in America, which is bold

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of them. But at the same time I could see

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people Obviously you divide people politically, but then also if

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people just tune in and go, ah, like this is

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not that you see every day, but it's just a

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tough pill of swallow. And these scenes are really good

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because they're harrowing and they're drama filled, so they're they

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are well done, but they're tough to watch. So I

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wonder how people feel about that when the season continues,

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because I don't think the task Force is going away

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till the end of this year, I imagine, so right.

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you mentioned there, just like we posed so many questions

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last week, and I feel like we already got a

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ton of answers to a lot of those questions, which

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is pretty awesome this early. And it helps that it

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was a double episode. I'm sure we would have got

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a lot of things answered any which way, but yeah,

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it's it's great to say how much more mentum we

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got going on here. I guess a place we could

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start is, you know, the topic we're not gonna have

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a whole lot of conversation about, unfortunately, But is is

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Bullseye Because he's just in episode two and he's not

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doing a ton he's doing some reconning. He kills a

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couple of stock and going on in the elevator, and

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then he's yeah, camp, you know, watching Vanessa and the

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therapist lady. I think I wrote her name down, but

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I always forget where Heather Heather, Yeah, yeah, he's he's

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stalking them a little bit, watching their dinner. I didn't

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I thought, are we just going like, is he just

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gonna kill one of them right here?

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Speaker 1: I thought Vanessa has gone on in that moment for.

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Speaker 2: Sure, build up maybe then just going forward in that

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in that moment, but yeah, I don't know what is

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he up to? Do you think at this point in time?

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Speaker 1: I do think Vanessa is done for now. I think

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I thought this theory last year. I can't remember why,

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because I think I was like, maybe they won't get

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back together, or maybe it's right when they get back

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together Fisk and Vanessa, she'll be taken from them and

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that'll motivate them. The reason I think that is she's

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getting these dream sequences, which I liked. There was that

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moment where she just looked at the window and could

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sense him there, and I can't remember what Heather said,

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head it's like, oh, my uncle said, that's like a

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feeling of blah blah blah, Like it's something like it's

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just a call before the storm, right, And Vanessa kind

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of laughed it off to me, Maybe I'm wrong, But

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the tip off was when Vanessa vary to me randomly

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right now, the Fiscus, the Mayor, they're happy operations are running.

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Fiscus talking about expanding and going to different countries and

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the world's oh I love that line because you know,

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just another bad are bald Marvel bad guy. When she's like,

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how do you like how did she set him up?

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Oh do you want to how many worlds do you

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want to take over? And he just said, well, how

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many is there? I was like, oh, that's such a

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good like Kingkin line, is he gonna get the Gauntlet?

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And the next you know, saga? But so what was

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random is things pretty much run a roll for the

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Fisks right now, and then all of a sudden she's like,

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oh it was great being on that beach hey, And

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even Fisk was like, oh, you know this and this,

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but I did, like I don't like the sand of

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my toes, you know, some Haym Christensen dialogue. But then

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he's like, but I did like spending time with you there.

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So I feel now that they're maybe thinking about the

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Fisks are right now deciding okay, do we expand and

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take over the world or do we just say fit

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and we're just gonna go be in love and go

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on a beach. I feel like they might pick that

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ladder option. But then bulls eyes and take her off,

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So I think I don't know why if he wanted

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to kill her, why he wouldn't just do it at

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that scene. So that's the only thing that gives me

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doubt because she's clear shot unless that windows maybe bulletproof, right,

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that could be the case.

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Speaker 2: That though, is he capable of giving up in that scene?

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Speaker 1: No, But if Vanessa dies, he never has to think

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about it, right, he might The idea might be in

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this thought that maybe he's convinced one night, and that's

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the night where bulls Eye like that.

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Speaker 2: Just that idea alone is a thing that motivates him,

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even if he.

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Speaker 1: Knows exactly right. It's it's like dexter if like, oh

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if I could only stop killinghim, but it's like you

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don't want to stop killing dude, like you you're liking this.

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So I think he wants to do that. But then,

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and it can always be the He can always say, oh, well,

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I would have gave this up if Vanessa was alive.

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It's an easy straw man argument for him. So I

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don't know what bulls Eye is up to. Even that

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scene where he killed those two anti Task Force guys,

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it just felt like a reshoot because he didn't do anything.

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Cherry and his friends already got him out of there.

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He just killed some guys in an elevator. It was

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kind of for Yeah, he's like, this episode has no action.

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Put Ballsy doing some weird stuff in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something to you know, wake people up. I did

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like that. Yeah, the kind of parallel. I feel like

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there's a lot of good parallels in these in these

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two episodes of just showing kind of two sides of things.

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And we definitely got that with the scene of the

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two couples in bed kind of flipping back and forth

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and yeah, like this so good. Just like they're in

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they're like satin gowns and whatnot, versus like, you know,

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Karen and Matt, who are just like in a as

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they're both like on the run and they're trying to

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do something, and then the other two are kind of

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just yeah, debating, kind of fleeing and just kind of

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living a happy life and not having to worry about

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all the chaos that they've left behind them, all the

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bridges they've burned. So yeah, that was it. That was

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a good sequence.

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Speaker 1: I really like that, and that's why I love like

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it's little stuff. But when they were in bed and

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they transitioned over to Karena Matt, I thought it was

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just a cool transition. So it's like, Okay, I'm happy,

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but I was like, oh, it'd be so cool if

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they went back forth. Then they literally did that to

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show that dichotomy of the two couples, you know, the

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heads and the tails. So yeah, I'm curious what's gonna

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happen there? And yeah, other than that, like yeah, bullseye,

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I guess. The other thing was he was in the

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church hit funny enough, he was asking to speak with

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Matt's mom, which was crazy because that's mother Maggie, So

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of course she's out on retreat. Of course she is.

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Just Matt's going through the worst time of his life

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and his mom's not there for him. Classic Matt, you know,

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deadbeat mom. But that's okay, she's on retreat, she's doing

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good stuff. But if you don't recall, because when that happened,

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Emily was watching, She's like, oh, did they just reveal

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that's his mom? Like, oh, they cover all in season three.

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She's like, well, do they not even like do they

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just kind of like hint around. I'm like, no, they

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have a whole thing of Matt being like you left

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me when I was a kid. But the thing is yeah,

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so that but that's where to the point where in

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I think it's a finale or pen ultimate, Bulls like

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goes that church and I think kills Remember I think

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in the original series he had that priest that he

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was always telling to you, like the male priest, and

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he kills other people. So I found it very fitting

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or interesting that Bulls Eye went to a place that

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in season three killed a bunch of people as wanting

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for a tone two sins, and he specifically wanted to

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talk to her because she was a survivor from that night.

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So he is like we talked about it last week.

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He is trying to I guess like he said, he

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wants to tone for a since, which is just it's

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it's interesting. I just don't know how this is gonna

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go down. It's it's such a fun thing. I thought

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we were gonna get more of them in this these

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two episodes. But he wanted to talk to her, and

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he killed those fatask forrus guys, and he's just watching

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Vanessa right now. But yeah, I think what do you

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think do you think, because that's my theory, do you

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think Vanessa's a gone her this season? Per Bollseye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you've posed some good reasons for how

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they could be setting that up, And like we've got

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a lot of time with her at this point, maybe

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not in like Born Against specifically, even then, we actually

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have got quite a lot with her, but just across

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the whole series at this point, and I do feel

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like that is maybe, yeah, the motivation that Kingpin needs

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to go into like whatever his next gear is gonna

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look like at this point. So I yeah, I think

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I'm with you on that. I guess I just don't

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know then where it'll be in the season, Like is

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the end of the season things setting us up for

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next time, or is it is it just kind of

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early on here? I guess it would be quite the

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tease if they're already kind of hinting at it this

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early on in the series.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough because you could see it two ways, right,

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It's kind of like what we said with Jessica, that

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could be a like a boost, right, It's like, Okay,

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a couple episodes from now Boom, Vanessa's done and that

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gives Fisk urgency. But that could also be a season

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ender where imagine if Fisk is in prison and then

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he has to find out that Vanessa is killed by

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Bullseye and that's his motivation of getting out. Like, I

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don't know if Fisk is gonna go to prison, but

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I don't think he's gonna be the mayor. No, yeah,

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but he's not gonna be the mayor, I imagine, right,

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so he has to be somewhere. But then I also

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wonder if that's just the idea of and you know what,

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as much as I don't want this, that's why I'm

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gonna say it's gonna happen maybe five to six because

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I could see Bullseye. I don't know how he dies

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because he can heal, but maybe he does eat it.

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And maybe that's because I keep talking about, like how

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do you redeem this character? Right? Maybe it is just

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the classic Star Wars. He falls on the sword for

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the team, right, and Fisk does that. But if you

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think about that, if Bullseye kills Vanessa and then Fist

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kills Bullseye and Fist doesn't have Vanessa, I feel like

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that plan the US about taking over the world. If

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he's not the New York mayor anymore, he could become

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the Kingpin to the world like he was talking about.

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Because it's kind of crazy. Not that's anything to do

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with it, but me and the girls because we're gonna

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ready for Brandon Day, were watching the ninety Spider Man

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animated series and we were in the first episode of Hobgoblin,

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and when he goes to Kingpin's base, He's like, Oh,

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this is the Kingpin. This is where all the crime

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in the world's mastermind. I'm like, right, I guess technically

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that is Kingpin. Like in the shows it is New York,

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but in the comics he is like a guy that

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has his hands and everything. And plus if we have

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some hope maybe of Dare Devil and other characters being

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in Spider Man, maybe there's a hope that's what they'll

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do with Kingpin is that's how you elevate him to

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a Spider Man villain. Right now, he's not just messing

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with New York. He's messing with everybody. So that's that's

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my thinking.

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Speaker 2: You know, they they set up that Kingpin in this

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next episode or something like that is gonna is doing

471
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,680
like an underground like fight or something like that. He's

472
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,680
going into the ring and we've seen Spidy in a

473
00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:23,720
ring like that before and now it's a very different.

474
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:27,119
Speaker 1: Boxing match.

475
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but hey, maybe maybe that's a way. I don't

476
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,720
know if I don't know if this Peter Parker, I mean,

477
00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:34,319
he's kind of down on his luck, but it seems

478
00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,400
like there's a lot going on. I don't know if

479
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,680
he's going to be back to that level of yeah

480
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,680
Spidy where he's got to you know, fight some people

481
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,960
in a ring to make money or whatever.

482
00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 1: I still would like, I hope in this show or

483
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,559
in the movie. Uh in this episode I think it

484
00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:49,960
was episode three, they did say they called the task

485
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,240
Force friendly neighborhood task Force, and then on those BB

486
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,319
Kingpin videos, I do hope we just get somewhat of like, yeah,

487
00:19:56,319 --> 00:19:58,440
I was fine along in the whole s like somewhere

488
00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,960
else in New York, right, because as I always said,

489
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,559
weird inspider man, like he literally has nothing to do

490
00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:05,200
as far as we know, he's not going to school,

491
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,640
he's not dayning MJ. Why is he not beating up

492
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,039
this task Force like every day? And I hope it's

493
00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:13,599
just a one little mention of oh yeah, I helped

494
00:20:13,599 --> 00:20:15,079
that a lot, you know, I did a lot of

495
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,839
the clean up there, and we just saw that off screen.

496
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,039
I don't know, it's a little thing, but still it's

497
00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:19,599
a little odd.

498
00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 2: It just always seems like the Spider Man movies come

499
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,319
together really quickly and Daredevil's taking a long time. So

500
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,799
I just don't know how much there's actually any meaningful connectivity.

501
00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:30,039
We'll see. Hopefully there's something.

502
00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully there's something big place, you know, very big,

503
00:20:35,079 --> 00:20:36,880
so he'd be on the whole other side, right so

504
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,759
he didn't even know about that, or maybe he's still

505
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,119
say he's hanging out.

506
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 2: With here about it. An exploding tanker though, with filled

507
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,960
with guns like that seems like something Spider Man would

508
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,200
learn about.

509
00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: Well, the tanker and even I think that's one thing though,

510
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,359
where they have set themselves in a not to make

511
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,640
this like a predictions rand today, but like they've set

512
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,720
themselves up in an interesting way where Okay, sure Matt

513
00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:00,599
Murdoch wasn't no way home, but he was just a lawyer.

514
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,359
Right now on brand new day, Spider Man is pound

515
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,599
around Frank and in the trailer, they kind of established

516
00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:07,759
they already know each other. So it's the thing of

517
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,279
like it's like he would know about people walking around

518
00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:13,200
the Punisher's low, like you would know balls. So it's

519
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,559
not like a, oh, I've been so I've been fighting

520
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,720
Tombstone for months. I didn't even get that. I'm sorry, Mad,

521
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,559
I'm glad that all worked out for you. It's like

522
00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:23,079
if he's actively budding around a frank, it's like, oh,

523
00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:24,640
what happened to those dudes or what's going on all

524
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,640
those dudes that are all wearing your symbol and stuff? Like,

525
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:27,880
I know, it's interesting.

526
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 2: So I feel like, I don't know if they can

527
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,279
make it a big plot point though, because there's like,

528
00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:35,000
what are they gonna do expect the audience to watch,

529
00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:39,240
you know, at two seasons of a show, potentially three

530
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,640
seasons of a show potentially go back and watch Punisher, Like,

531
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,319
I don't know. I think they're gonna keep it pretty

532
00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:46,759
surface level, but hopefully we do get some mentioned eve,

533
00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:48,319
even if it's an off hand common I guess as

534
00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:51,359
you're mentioning with Punisher being in there, like there is

535
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,799
precedent to at least get some lines of explanation but

536
00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:56,599
hopefully it's not just like two or three lines just

537
00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:59,559
to like pass off, yeah, make it like believable. But

538
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,119
I don't how much time we have for that kind

539
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,559
of thing in a movie that also has Hull maybe

540
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,400
Jean Gray, like I don't know, and like Zenda is

541
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,400
still in there full time, so I just don't know.

542
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,599
I don't know if we have time for the street

543
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,160
level stuff.

544
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 1: You know. No, And I guess to your point too,

545
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,519
if we end this season, if the Task Force done,

546
00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:16,359
and if this isn't the mayor, it's almost like a

547
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,119
null issue, right Like for us fanboys will be like, oh,

548
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,480
what's going on. It'd be different if for season three

549
00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:25,000
of Daredevil, which they're filming now, that was still going on, Like.

550
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 2: I had an eye on it, and yeah, he's gonna.

551
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it'd be one thing if it's still going on.

552
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: Jones, she's pretty good at what she does.

553
00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, yeah, who knows all the other defenders too.

554
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,160
He's like, I hear the coming back, but uh, yeah,

555
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,599
we will see, Yeah we will. I hope Colin Wing

556
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,759
gets gets the draft pick one day, so uh we'll see.

557
00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:45,359
But one and I guess we can stay in the realm.

558
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,839
Speaking of Punishure, they did talk about Frank in this episode,

559
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,839
Uh they ask kind of I like that they just

560
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,480
don't know where he is. And I love the back

561
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,079
and forth of Karen's like do you think he's dead?

562
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,759
And that's like absolutely not, Like he's just out there

563
00:22:58,079 --> 00:22:59,440
doing his thing. I like that they just think of

564
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,839
Matt like special. Yeah, like even though Frank is just

565
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,920
a regular man, they talk about him like the Hulk, like, Nah,

566
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,759
there's no way he'd be dead. He's doing the same thing.

567
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:10,359
So I kind of like that they are if you

568
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,720
don't remember the using his base of operations, like where

569
00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:16,119
they were when Matt was Charlie Cox at one point

570
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,640
had his shirt off. Man is best, best you've ever

571
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,440
seen this guy. This guy was good. He's ready to

572
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,319
play Wolverine or something. But when they're in that that

573
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:26,319
that locker room is the same place where Matt and

574
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,319
Frank had their fight. So I guess maybe pun of

575
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,559
sure like gave them like the key and said, hey,

576
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,880
like go ahead use this. I don't know so that

577
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,519
they they've taken over his base, But I did like

578
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:40,200
that they just established that they don't know where Frank is.

579
00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:42,519
He's just doing what he's doing and what I loved.

580
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,599
We talked about this last week. Karen goes, oh, we

581
00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:48,039
could really use him right now, and Matt's like, well,

582
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:49,839
what do you mean we could really use him? Like, oh, well,

583
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,720
you know, he could be making some headway like now

584
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,680
I'm paraphrasing. And I talked about that as far as

585
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,440
with Bullseye with the Task Force. Karen in the multiple

586
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,200
seasons of Daredel has shown that she's opposed to killing people.

587
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,680
She killed someone in this episode.

588
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't asked was that a kill shot or

589
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,359
was that just like an incapacitated shot.

590
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: I think the way they zoomed in on that was

591
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:11,759
to show that he tracked the heartbeat.

592
00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: It was it was it was too quick. If like

593
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,359
that was her killing her first human being, No, she's

594
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,000
killed before. Okay, she's killed multiple people.

595
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:24,319
Speaker 1: Actually she killed Yeah, she accidentally killed someone. She killed

596
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:27,519
remember Wesley Kingkon's original Buck, the guy that would go

597
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:29,440
around with them. There might be another, but she's like

598
00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:31,720
killed at least two people now, so she's you know,

599
00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,119
kind of fine with it. I guess, so I think

600
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,799
that'll come up next week. And I said to them

601
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:37,920
and It's like, what is she supposed to do? She

602
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,640
doesn't have a ton she has a super sensor, so

603
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,279
and she's out there shooting. It's like you couldn't have

604
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:45,079
to shoot to kill, like you know, the whole.

605
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: Scene, like because I love the fight scene before that,

606
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:48,839
and we'll talk about that, of course. But when she

607
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:50,720
gets out of the truck and there's like, you know,

608
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,960
seven guys with ars and she's like corner peeking with

609
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,400
a pistol, mic, this is not a good idea, Karen.

610
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,079
But I mean she got the only fatal blowout of

611
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,240
all those gunshots. One else hit a single target.

612
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then yeah, and that's where the because I

613
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:06,880
well see it happens. But if Matt's like, did you

614
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,440
kill that guy last week? I mean like, yeah, she did,

615
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:10,799
Like what do you expect her to do? And that?

616
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,519
But I did like that they already showing who knows

617
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:15,480
if they do end up together. We talked about this

618
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:17,160
that maybe they aren't gonna be endgame because they're just

619
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,000
together now because the trauma. But they do have different

620
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:23,599
ideologies in this show. And she is she she she

621
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,480
didn't say it, but she's still pretty much fine. A

622
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:27,839
Frank comes around, and kills people, and even then she

623
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,359
she walked back and said, Okay, if not these guys,

624
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,359
but at least Fisk, where Matt's like, I wouldn't do that.

625
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,960
Fa you wouldn't do that. Do you want to do that?

626
00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:37,960
And she never answered. So that's why I love again.

627
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,480
We're seeing these characters that were fleshed out before in

628
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,200
past narratives clashing.

629
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,599
Speaker 2: So do you think that that we had that sequence?

630
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,039
I wanted to just kind of explain that they acknowledge

631
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:50,480
Punisher here, but also to set up that like she

632
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,240
is willing to kill, like for people like me who

633
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,160
even watched the show but just like forgot that she's

634
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,839
out here amerking people left, fright and center apparently, Or

635
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,160
do you think it's more to like that we're you know,

636
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,880
it's foreshadowing where they're gonna have a big heated debate

637
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,519
about this where he really pushes back against her ways,

638
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:07,160
Like is that a route we're gonna go down where

639
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,480
there's drama between them and they want to go separate

640
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,440
paths because of their different ideologies or was it more

641
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,279
just to set up the fact that she will be

642
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,440
killing in this series and just like that's why her

643
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,599
reasoning is I.

644
00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: Think I think both. I think they'll set up that

645
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:22,480
she's gonna kill But I think it's gonna be drama

646
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:28,160
because when BULLSYE eventually gets like weaved into their story,

647
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:30,240
I feel like that's the way of because she was

648
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:32,759
ready to she like I talked about she seemed like

649
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,599
she was ready to kill Bulls. I like, oh, nothing

650
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,119
happened to him and he's fine. I wonder if Bullsy

651
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,680
is gonna be like, hey, I know you hate me.

652
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:40,440
I know I should be in prison, but what if

653
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,839
I can take out Fisk and Matt could be oh no,

654
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,000
let's not do that way. And what if Karen sees

655
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:46,720
that as the one opportunity of you know what, Like,

656
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:48,960
I hate this guy, but if he could take out Fisk,

657
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:50,319
a lot of this could stop. So I do think

658
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:52,039
it's gonna lead to drama. I don't think it's gonna

659
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:54,240
break them up. I just think it's gonna lead to heavy,

660
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,839
heavy clashing between the two and just some drama between them.

661
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,720
But I don't think a breakup thing right now, and

662
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,839
I still think they'll end the season relatively happy. I

663
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:06,079
think again, I'm hoping he ends up in prison. That's

664
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,559
their problem. But I think they'll bring this up again.

665
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,079
I think once bulls Ie gets in there, because he's

666
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,799
killing people. He killed those task Force guys in the elevator,

667
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:16,160
so he's it's not like he's repenting that way. If

668
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,880
you were to say, hey, I'm really trying to change,

669
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,920
like I see what Daredevil does, I want to be

670
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,000
that Like I'm even last week, I forgot he killed

671
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,079
all those dudes, right, So if if he didn't have

672
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,559
the killing, I'd say, oh, maybe not. But because he's

673
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:29,799
a killer and he's taking out the task Force, I

674
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,720
think he's gonna kill Vanessa. He is kind of what

675
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,720
Karen wants, right as far as like the idea she's

676
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,559
pitching Frank to be around. That's bulls eye. He's going

677
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:42,279
around killing people and making a difference in a sense, right, Yeah.

678
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:44,519
Speaker 2: I mean even in that like fight scene in the

679
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:47,200
prison cell area, like the Swordsman was out here just

680
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,000
slaying people.

681
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, right to the eye, I was like, all right, Matt,

682
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,799
Like I like a couple.

683
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: Of those shots even look like Matt was killing people too.

684
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,359
But no, I think he was just knocked people out.

685
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,559
But some of the things he does, it's like you

686
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,599
might have just killed that guy without really knowing it.

687
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,799
Speaker 1: And to me, I would be because obviously we tell

688
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,759
those many three years of your geek for so Daredevil

689
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,000
and also with Batman. My whole thing is I'm fine

690
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,400
with Batman killing two ways if it's manslaughter, so kind

691
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,720
of accidentally right like punch too hard, didn't know them

692
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,759
or that's why your favorite movie Dealing Dark Knight rises.

693
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,640
There's a couple of people there that don't make it.

694
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,319
For me, that's literally, hey, a nuke's gonna go off

695
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,640
in an hour. It's literally a war. That's when, like

696
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,200
Ky Batman, you can kill like if you got to

697
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,039
kill you so right now to me where mad is

698
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:30,960
in New York, I'm not saying he has to go

699
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,599
to kill, but if it's the only option, I'm completely fine.

700
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,599
Up Darde like Matt, like, you gotta do what you

701
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:37,440
gotta do, if you gotta get all these people out

702
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,880
of these cages, maybe break a couple of nets or

703
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:40,480
something like that.

704
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: Some of the damage he's caused to people is, you know,

705
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:47,359
causing brain damage or life altering to vil debilitating illness.

706
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:47,759
For sure.

707
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,519
Speaker 1: Those billy clubs, those are like the way they're hidden

708
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,319
people in the head, So yeah, I think, but yeah,

709
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:54,799
I think they'll see something. And I just think that's

710
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:56,799
why when she shot him and they went on Matt's ear,

711
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,920
that's he heard the heartbeat stop. I think, so they'll

712
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:00,480
bring it up.

713
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: And yeah, I was just surprised of how quick it was.

714
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,440
But I guess if as you mentioned, she's killed before,

715
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,039
it wasn't as big of a deal as I thought

716
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:06,279
it was.

717
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:09,799
Speaker 1: And I wonder too, remember when Daredevil killed Bulls Eye

718
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,720
quotations because Bulls I lived, He's stopped being Daredevil, right,

719
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,559
that was a big thing for him. I wonder if

720
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:16,880
he's gonna check on Karen be like, oh, you're right, like,

721
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,359
and she's gonna be completely fine, and that's gonna be

722
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,880
maybe another like hey this if anytime I've crossed that

723
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,440
line and been near it's really fucked me up. Where

724
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,119
Karen's like, well, we got to do, we gotta do,

725
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,920
and that's where I don't know which way it's gonna go.

726
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,759
So that's for me, that's what I love is we

727
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,599
got that action scene, but then there's stuff from in between,

728
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,279
and then that's character stuff that we're invested in, you know.

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753
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there you go. Dyl Muss. You talked about do you

754
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,480
really enjoying that fight scene? We're just kind of dancing around,

755
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:46,440
But yeah, we kind of got a like a trick

756
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,559
wunner where it was a one shot but definitely a

757
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,559
lot of can't I will say again, not like Netflix wers,

758
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,519
where the trick was always like, Okay, sunt guy swaps

759
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,400
out here, Charlie cocks here. This is a lot of

760
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,000
we go into a wall, yeah, cut, go back.

761
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,119
Speaker 2: He felt like vaguely hallways hallways fight scene. Yeah, like

762
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,920
he was trying to capture that same energy. I mean,

763
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,200
I always critique shaky cam in action movies. I feel like,

764
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,640
to me, this was like the right amount of shaky

765
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,480
cam where I could still see the good stuff that

766
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:16,000
was going on, but he did capture the intensity of

767
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:17,880
the scene overall. I just thought it was really fun.

768
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,200
I mean, I don't know, I'm just I'm really growing

769
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,799
on swordsman. I like this guy, you know, he's fun. Yeah,

770
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,359
he was doing some cool stuff. I really liked his moves.

771
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,279
He definitely is, as you just said, kind of like

772
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:29,400
a dancer a little bit. And then kind of yeah,

773
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,319
the switching off with Matt. I thought all that stuff

774
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:34,000
was really fun. The different props in there. I also

775
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,559
thought mad the way he was like moving around unlocking

776
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,559
all the cages. He was doing like little pier auays

777
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:40,759
and little like dancing moves as he was putting this

778
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,559
scanner on all the doors. So I thought that was

779
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:45,480
pretty funny as well. I'm surprised no one it didn't

780
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,319
seem like any of the hostages died. And then a

781
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,160
whole encounter which was one of the like, you know,

782
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,839
part of the task force is that these are just

783
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,000
like untrained cronies, Like none of them are really good

784
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:58,039
at what they do. You know, some of them are

785
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:00,240
better than others, I suppose, but even like at the

786
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,759
end with like you know, when they're outside the building

787
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:04,640
and they're gearing up and trying to take them all out,

788
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,400
and they don't get like a single kill in the one,

789
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,039
Like these guys just suck. Like they're really really bad

790
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,680
at what they're trying to do here, and they're also

791
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,400
horrible people at the same time. So yeah, I really

792
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,680
really like the intensity of that that fight scene. It

793
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,240
was a weird set piece, just like an a warehouse

794
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,599
with a bunch of cages, but it worked. And then

795
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,279
of course using like the environment, like smashing the pipes

796
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,200
to get like the the stuff flowing around was really

797
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,799
fun as well. And yeah, like the lethality of it,

798
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,759
even when I just anytime Daredevil finishes a fight scene

799
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:39,240
and it's just Charlie just just deep vent breathing any

800
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:41,839
points like there or whatever, like to you know, go

801
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,599
out the exit door. Just I just love his his

802
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,880
little moments of performance in between like the actual action

803
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,920
parts of it. So yeah, that was a that was

804
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,640
a really great scene, and I'm I again, I'm kind

805
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,039
of surprised at how well it went. I thought there'd

806
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,440
be like a couple of casualties not necessarily remain cast

807
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,880
or something, but I thought there would be like it

808
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,279
was just all good. It was all aces for the

809
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:03,920
good team here.

810
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I enjoyed the scene. Like I said, it

811
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,640
was kind of yeah one er light. There's a couple

812
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,440
of effects things. I swear There's one time Swartsmen was

813
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,799
fighting a guy and he almost just like glitched like

814
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,839
like fast who might have to find the scene. But

815
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:18,559
something looked very off there.

816
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: He did like a cool little move, but I didn't

817
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,720
catch a little glitch on it.

818
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'd have to go back at some point.

819
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:25,960
So there's a couple of stuff there. But the other

820
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,759
thing is, yeah, I'm fine to how they kind of

821
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,119
dispatch them because they are supposed to be similar in

822
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,559
real life. It's not trained people been doing this for years.

823
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,279
Just kind of a bunch of losers that are alone

824
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,240
and be like, oh, I'm gonna join this task for us,

825
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:38,240
my life will be better, and that's fine, take them

826
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,559
all out. I did kind of laugh because you mentioned

827
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,880
there's two things right where. Okay, so they get out there,

828
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,880
they have Karen meets you know, new White Tiger. They

829
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,839
drive this big kind of swat armor van and I

830
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,039
get it right, but they get everyone in there and

831
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:53,839
Karen's like, you don't have to dry the swordsman. It's

832
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:57,480
like I'll figure it out. And then one they leave.

833
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,720
So there's two things here. I just thought that they're

834
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:01,839
kind of like we saved you about like good luck,

835
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,880
Like I hope you got an escape plan easy?

836
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, choice, I mean I think they had a walkie

837
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:07,599
talkie or something, maybe they could.

838
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's still like, why is Matt? Maybe I

839
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,719
guess they just count swordsmen. But two, they're already running

840
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,960
before the vehicle starts. What a swordsman can't start that?

841
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:17,480
Like what if he does not know how to drive

842
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,679
this thing? But that's fine, so he goes one thing

843
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,840
I would doc At points on, they run to a

844
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,280
vehicle and Karen's van is like parked like right beside

845
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,320
this thing. It's like, I get all the actions going on,

846
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:28,800
but did you.

847
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,199
Speaker 2: Just drive right up to this Red Hook super secret

848
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,960
base that's housing several dozen prisoners.

849
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,639
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, for people, if you've played wars

850
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,199
on you appreciate appreciate this. If there's a big firefight

851
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,920
going on on the map, if you see a car

852
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,760
approaching right away, your eyes on that car like sums up.

853
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,239
You can't just park by the line of fire, you know,

854
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,679
And that's what's happening here. But it's fine. They got away,

855
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,360
and then as they got away, they kind of hinted

856
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,599
throughout this through the episode and even last week about

857
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,480
killing the crew. Poor crew, Hey, we're done, Can we

858
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:00,880
go home? No? You gotta stay for couple more hours,

859
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:03,599
stay for a couple of hours, and then fist blows

860
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:07,519
up the boats because I think what they No, they

861
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:10,320
should have just stuck with the like the explosion in

862
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,159
the rear view mirror. We would have got it. That

863
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,280
that we we got. They've been talking about it for

864
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,679
two episodes now, of because now it looks like, not

865
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,480
only did Daredevil break out these vigilantes, he was like

866
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:23,559
a terrorist now and blew up his ball. But it's yeah,

867
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,039
it's lots, Yeah, it's it's a similar adjacent it's higher

868
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,159
up but still adjacent. So but yeah, that's what they did.

869
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,559
So now again as usual, And that's where I think

870
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:34,840
it could come into the Karen and Matt like killing

871
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,880
him thing. They looked at it as maybe an ace

872
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,679
of a hole, right of Okay, we get these people out,

873
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:41,679
but if we could prove that these are guns, all

874
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,559
this bad stuff in this boat, then there'll be some layway.

875
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,719
Well that stuff's all blown up, even though it's like

876
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,079
so not like you're telling me, there's not like a

877
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,719
single piece of gun. That's like, there's not multiple like

878
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,719
gun evidence. If you were to go like snorkering to

879
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,840
find like it's not just gonna be the diapers in there, right,

880
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,519
So it feels again that feels very common Bookie of

881
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:01,880
we blew it up. Problem gone. It's like, well, I

882
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,159
think there could be a little bit more, but that's

883
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,000
what they did. And the boats. I guess fisc is

884
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,719
saved another day from the boats. He's not getting in

885
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,920
trouble for that. So as of right now at least.

886
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then is the plan to like then frame

887
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,559
vigilantes for that?

888
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:19,039
Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah, that they escaped and then destroyed

889
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:20,960
the boat and they're terrorists, right.

890
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: They destroyed the boat like several weeks later.

891
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, because even even with Swordsmen, they called him a terrorist.

892
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,599
And I can't remember, do you know Matt's former friend

893
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:33,880
or friend lawyer she lost the case she was with Swordsmen.

894
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,719
They had, yeah, her name in.

895
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: The show, but I swear I wrote it down here.

896
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:42,639
Speaker 1: Okay, But anyways, they're like, oh, he's a terrorist. She's

897
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:46,039
like yeah, she was like you literally even know proof

898
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,360
he's a terrorist. This is stuff that they can go, well,

899
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,559
Swordsmen and these people blew up this boat. So it's

900
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,079
just it eggs that on. So I guess that's what

901
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:54,599
it is it just felt like a very.

902
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,519
Speaker 2: Safe legal system. It's like, okay, Swordsman's being kept in

903
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:03,639
like some weird non government base when he's like on

904
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,800
trial or whatever like that seems confusing. I mean a

905
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,079
lot of the rules are being broken here. But yeah, yeah,

906
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:11,719
I was a little confused by that. But I think

907
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,880
that's technically a fraiment that he broke out and then

908
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,800
did this explosion.

909
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Well yeah, exactly, as like, because he was on trial

910
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,079
and he was supposed to go to prison now, so

911
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,400
he's extra guilty now right, he should just took his

912
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,800
sentence and everything. But that is that is a thing

913
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,199
of people being brought to locations that are not like you.

914
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: At this point, we then go like investigate Red Hook

915
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,679
and be like, oh, this place is kind of fucked up.

916
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: You would think people, you would think. But somehow a

917
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,159
lot of the story here is that things that seems

918
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:41,719
straightforward in August don't don't necessarily happen in the In

919
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,960
a world that we live in, you would think about

920
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,239
a bunch of people being locked in cages and unknown

921
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,119
locations being kept for reasons would not be a thing allowed.

922
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,440
But it's it somehow. Is it just got to happen,

923
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:53,880
so you know, and that that's where it is so true.

924
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,679
So yeah, that's what's going on. And then what else

925
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,519
is happening with Fisks? Actually I'll talk about this before

926
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,639
I forget, because we hinted up on it. Yeah, last

927
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:04,360
week I said, Hey, one of my biggest things is

928
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,880
why do they not say, hey, dared Devil's Matt Murdoch

929
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,760
used against him? Fisk even use that as like a

930
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,679
threat last season. This was perfect as far as hey,

931
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,000
because Buck or was it Buck? That's pitched that it

932
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,320
was Buck? He was Buck said why don't you just

933
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,360
let everybody know his alter ego? And he said, well,

934
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,079
Matt Murdoch or Daredevil can be a vigilante, a terrist,

935
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,280
all these things. Matt Murdoch, he's a hero. He's a

936
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,440
lawyer that fought for people. He also saved my life,

937
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,320
so very hard to frame. And then he had that yeah,

938
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,960
and then he had that smile, and I was like,

939
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,480
is he like happy that, like he has this bro

940
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:37,800
that saved his life. No, he had this terrible, vicious

941
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,960
idea where he's putting out a bounty to find Matt Murdoch,

942
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:42,599
not to punish him because he saved his life and

943
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,000
he like wants to make sure he's okay and reward

944
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,880
this guy. So he's like, there's an attack. They're saying

945
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,159
that Daredevil attacked his apartment. Matt Murdoch's been missing, He's

946
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,679
probably hurt, and I really want to get him back.

947
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,719
So I love that. To me, it was a perfect

948
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,559
reason of Okay, vigilanti force after Daredevil. Now you have

949
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:01,639
people that think they're helping looking for Matt Murdoch. Now

950
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:04,360
their eyes are thinking, you know, looking missing. So I

951
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,840
thought that was a great reason to not do that

952
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,320
and have that as a just kind of an ace

953
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,800
in the whole form. So to me, it made a

954
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,840
reason for the show and it made Fisk even smarter.

955
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,199
And I love that they explained that all way. So

956
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,199
it was great. So worked out there.

957
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with that dude thing. That one well,

958
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,800
one detail here that confused me about the storyline. So

959
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,559
we get a lot of Daniel in this episode confronts

960
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,920
BB about the Kingpin videos, the Hunk on Hunk videos

961
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,239
that are going on here. Yeah, he says that the

962
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,000
the videos are being posted from within like the Mayor's

963
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,400
office headquarters.

964
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: No, just the information. So like that video of Daredevil

965
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,480
on the boat that came from within the building, but.

966
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: He said it could have been posted from my computer

967
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:45,079
though too.

968
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: I guess so, which would be.

969
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: Like the way that it literally was like she I

970
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,840
guess when she's there, she's posting it or something, which

971
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,119
feels like risky movement.

972
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,639
Speaker 1: No way, Like I know, I'm not saying knowing to you,

973
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:57,960
but I'm like, if you're doing that, that's super risk

974
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,159
I take it. It's like she's popping usb stick, taking

975
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:04,159
stuff off and going like there's no way she's or

976
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,360
maybe she's using like an IP address like changer to

977
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:07,599
make it.

978
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: Like when he said that, it means like the info

979
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,599
that I know directly. This person seems to know directly,

980
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,639
even though I don't know. Yeah, the videos are kind

981
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:17,440
of vague for the most part, but I guess we're

982
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,519
only seeing a couple of them as a viewer. In

983
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:21,000
the theory, there's a lot more of than happening.

984
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, because even Daredel, they're being told as a terrorist.

985
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:24,840
So it's just like them saying him on a boat

986
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,320
destroying it's like, does that prove he's a good guy?

987
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:29,559
Like they're they're spinning and maybe that's why they blew

988
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,320
the boat right to show like, oh, it doesn't matter.

989
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,880
So I did like that. I did like that he

990
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,199
right away went to her because I thought, there's only

991
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,320
so much you can have him be like in love

992
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,559
with the good looking girl and just go by right.

993
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:42,559
So I kind of like that he he didn't even

994
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:44,639
do the threat of like if I find out, I'm

995
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,239
gonna kill you or you better not be doing it.

996
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,000
It's kind of like he didn't even say that she

997
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,519
is doing it, but if if you are doing it,

998
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,000
you should stop because we're gonna get killed. And I

999
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:56,800
know this, like integrity means a law to you, but

1000
00:40:57,079 --> 00:40:59,800
integrity is gonna keep like not being integral is gonna

1001
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:01,480
keep us safe. So I like that it was kind

1002
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,280
of a unspoken pitch like please just don't do it

1003
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,360
ever again because we'll be screwed. Obviously. Then she kept going.

1004
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,360
She's gonna keep going. But I like that he wasn't

1005
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,719
such a fool that didn't think, nah, it could definitely

1006
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,400
not be her, you know. I like that he's already

1007
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,760
like it's probably her, but I still like her, so

1008
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,400
I'm gonna give her, like, yeah, a last warning.

1009
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,679
Speaker 2: And I thought the scene where Buck later kind of

1010
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:25,880
interrogates him, and it's like, I feel like Buck is

1011
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,559
maybe onto BB here, or at least he's like he's

1012
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:32,079
at least, you know, found the breadcrumbs to track it down.

1013
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,599
And I thought the acting from Daniel in that moment

1014
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,400
is good that, like, I don't know how he exactly feels.

1015
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,559
I don't know if he would throw BB under the bus.

1016
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:43,000
I think he probably would, but at least towards Buck,

1017
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,280
he I couldn't I couldn't quite tell which way he

1018
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,320
would go, whether he would just like stop it and

1019
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,039
then like let her go, or if he actually would

1020
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,920
take her out. I mean, he's a devious guy, but

1021
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,400
he also can be a charismic, charismatic guy at times,

1022
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,000
which is what BB was talking about in episode one. Yeah,

1023
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,039
whoever was talking to her like why why are you

1024
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:01,760
working with this guy? Karen? I think kind of grows

1025
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,840
on you a little bit, right, So, yeah, I I

1026
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,719
whatever is going on there that subplot, I think there

1027
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,239
could be some juice to be squeezed on that in

1028
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,400
the future, for sure.

1029
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I and maybe I'm wrong. I

1030
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,000
kind of lean to that he's actually not gonna throw

1031
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,119
at BB, or he would and then find a way

1032
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:18,320
to get her out of it, because.

1033
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: I I feel like Buck is gonna go over his head?

1034
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:21,639
Speaker 1: Is the yes?

1035
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:22,679
Speaker 2: Is what I was thinking?

1036
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I just don't know if Daniel has like

1037
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:28,199
the killer instinct as Fisk, right, or maybe Fisk the.

1038
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: Scene where he's like whatever you say? Am I king

1039
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,280
whatever he says to Kingpin like that, yeah, you know,

1040
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,719
he was like, all right, answer kid.

1041
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,519
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because he's he's like, who are you trying

1042
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:38,880
to protect? And he and he said, oh, I'm trying

1043
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,639
to protect someone in this building. And he's like, I'm

1044
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:43,440
trying to protect you, mister Fisk. He's good. So that

1045
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,719
thing or I just wonder maybe Fisk will go to

1046
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,800
kill or do or he'll put the order out to

1047
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,400
kill BB for Buck to do it, and Daniel will

1048
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,880
hear that, and maybe that will be a tipping point

1049
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,599
of like, you know what, I thought I could be

1050
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:57,840
this guy of you know, hurting people, not caring. But

1051
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,320
now that I know you're gonna kill this woman, I

1052
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,239
you know, I'm just gonna say like right now, but

1053
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,519
I think he has more feelings than that. Maybe that'll

1054
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,000
be the tipping point of yeah, I can't I can't

1055
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,400
do that, and maybe they he'll be part of the

1056
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,360
reason that fist goes down or like you said, maybe

1057
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,920
I'll just yeah, he will throw BB and they make

1058
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,400
Daniel the ultimate like kind of just like crap character

1059
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,440
where he's just like slimy and you know, fist number

1060
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:23,199
two eventually. So yeah, we got our weekly away. Yeah.

1061
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,519
Speaker 2: I was just gonna comment on one thing I was

1062
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,119
kind of surprised to see is that the the state

1063
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:31,199
oversight storyline of this again, where like this other governor

1064
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,199
lady comes in and has like a very stern talking

1065
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,440
too with Kingpin and pretty much like we had this

1066
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,840
in episode one where the guy was like, oh, do

1067
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,159
we need state oversight and he's like yeah, you know,

1068
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:41,920
and then and then Shaggy comes in the room and

1069
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,480
he's like, oh, no, you're good. And then but now

1070
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,079
this lady comeback is come back again and is kind

1071
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,280
of insisting again based on the information with like the

1072
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,159
tanker and everything that's going on with Red Hook and whatnot.

1073
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,960
So I was kind of surprised to see that because

1074
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,599
to me, this feels like something that would maybe happen

1075
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:57,360
at the like a lot of this episode does feel

1076
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,880
like it would happen right near the end of the season,

1077
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,639
and then we go into like the final moments where

1078
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,239
Kingpin gets captured. So whatever it is, I feel like

1079
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,199
maybe maybe e Vanessa dies very soon and that's what

1080
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,320
really sets him off and goes into this next phase.

1081
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,760
But I just feel like at this point Kingpin doesn't

1082
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:12,079
seemingly have actually a lot of resources. I feel like

1083
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:15,400
he's actually lost a lot already. Kind of this this

1084
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,920
early on in terms of I don't know, being able

1085
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,599
to take over, Like, I just feel the resistance here

1086
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,000
seems way more powerful at this point. Obviously they don't

1087
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,000
have all the cops and whatnot with them still, but

1088
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:29,239
there is still this state oversight, which feels like a

1089
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,760
big deal at any point come in and just kind

1090
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,440
of disband the task Force and implement more maybe good

1091
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:38,079
people quote unquote over But yeah, I guess I was

1092
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:39,679
kind of surprised to see the storyline come back. I

1093
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:43,039
thought we'd kind of brush it off in the first episode.

1094
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: And I guess maybe that's it. Maybe they're just gonna

1095
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,559
build to the reverse for how Matt last season a

1096
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,480
little bit now was the floors falling beneath them. Maybe

1097
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,320
that's gonna be the reverse where Daredevil and company are

1098
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,119
gaining more traction, where Fisc is losing this, losing that

1099
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,960
because the government lady she still was like like fake

1100
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,280
friendly with him in public right of like oh what

1101
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,280
a success as trial was, but it definitely was threatening,

1102
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,039
like hey, like you can't just do X, Y and Z.

1103
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,360
You know you're and then I love Fis, which's like,

1104
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,239
oh if I never ever need help, I'll come to you. No. No, no,

1105
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,480
like I'm not here like lending a hand, I'm here

1106
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:16,920
asking like what's going on? You know? So I think

1107
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,280
that's where whether it's Vanessa or something's gonna drop, because

1108
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,800
it still seemed like with that boat exploding, he seemed

1109
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,000
pretty in control there, right, so that seems like, Okay,

1110
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:27,679
Fisk is happy, he's still moving. So it's like they

1111
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,639
still need something to because he's just transporting diapers, right

1112
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,679
if they really look into it, that's what he's saying.

1113
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,760
I'm just getting diapers over here. So he's not done

1114
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,840
anything legally bad yet. Unfortunately.

1115
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,599
Speaker 2: So speaking of which, we did not get Shaggy back

1116
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:42,840
in this NOISO, but it feels like now that Fist

1117
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,400
took out all of those workers that were supplied by him, right,

1118
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,079
Maybe we'll get him back next episode. Maybe that'll be

1119
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,719
part of where Fisk's next power regimen comes from, is

1120
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,480
through through that guy. I'm not too sure.

1121
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, because I thought he was already

1122
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,320
gonna be in more episodes, like I thought he would

1123
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,760
have been one of the two. So now I'm kind

1124
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:07,639
of going back to be Okay, maybe he's gonna be more.

1125
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: Small if he doesn't come back and do something big

1126
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,639
at this point, because it really always saw is that

1127
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:15,320
he came back and like got the cut government oversight

1128
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,800
thing to shoot away. But now it's already back.

1129
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,119
Speaker 1: He bought Fisk like a week like yeah, yeah, I

1130
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,079
don't know, so yeah, we'll see hopefully next week with

1131
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,199
the boatstuff. And because he did hire help him hire

1132
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:28,760
some that crew, I guess right, because he's like, oh,

1133
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,280
I can get you some guys that you don't really

1134
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,159
care about and everything. So maybe once the boat explodes,

1135
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:35,800
because he what his big thing was to do, I

1136
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,159
bet he could come back next week because the big

1137
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,360
thing he was all about was about making sure he's

1138
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,920
representing people that want to use his port to use

1139
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,920
it right to ship stuff. So with the boat exploding,

1140
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,239
and now with another piece of government looking to it,

1141
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:51,719
he might be like, hey, my clients still only use

1142
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,079
his port. What's going on? Like the boats in the way.

1143
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,079
Now you got the governor looking at you like are

1144
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,159
you still good? You're good? And you know, of course

1145
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:02,000
I'm fine, you know. So we got our weekly Heather update.

1146
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,320
She's still freaking out, and then we had her and

1147
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,320
she have a scene and again better not awful scene,

1148
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,440
but again with her calling mus a vigilantie. It's like,

1149
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:14,000
I don't think this works. So I'm still waiting for

1150
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,360
what the purpose is. I know I've seen some theory

1151
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,119
doing because I didn't even read this work. I guess

1152
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:19,960
at some point in the Daredevil comics there is a

1153
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,559
female muse. I don't know if we need to go

1154
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:29,039
that far. I've seen right, and she's so I don't know.

1155
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,440
But as I did say last week, I would rather

1156
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:34,400
than actually just make her a full villain than the hole. Oh,

1157
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,679
she's torn because I have still no investment, So I

1158
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:39,079
guess for her I'll.

1159
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: Have because she is losing it in a way that

1160
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,239
would make sense for her to turn into evil character.

1161
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that to be be more fun. I don't

1162
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,000
need a Oh, she's torn, she's she's she's already done

1163
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,239
on enough bad stuff. You know, I know people can redeem,

1164
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,599
but it's like I just don't care. So again I

1165
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:56,960
think with her, I'm really go You have to wait

1166
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,239
to see when she either turns, dies, prisons, redemn, shart

1167
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,159
whatever it is. I can't judge her story until I

1168
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:04,679
got the full thing. Right now, I just kind of

1169
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,280
go all right, Like when the the they say, oh, swordsman,

1170
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,679
you're guilty, and then everyone's shocked. They go back on

1171
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,199
head and they like zoom in on her like she's

1172
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,599
all conflicted. It's like I don't care, Like I just

1173
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:16,559
I just don't right now, you know, like I need

1174
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:18,239
a reason to care. And that's why I'd rather just

1175
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,840
go banana crazy sandwich and just put on that mask

1176
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,199
and be a killer.

1177
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,599
Speaker 2: You know, when she tries to hang uh, well, she

1178
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,639
presumes he gonna hang a pictures put a nail on

1179
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:29,360
the wall, and then it cracks like that that felt symbolic.

1180
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: I guess that is what I say.

1181
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:33,559
Speaker 2: I I gotta say during that. Then during the trial scene,

1182
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:35,360
which you and overall is is all right, is not

1183
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,559
a top tier trial scene from Daredevil, stuff, but it

1184
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:40,679
was good enough. I love though, when when the judges

1185
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,840
listing like the three separate offenses that he's being uh

1186
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:48,320
uh pun like whatever tried for whatever, uh that he's

1187
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,360
or that he's been found guilty of rather and his

1188
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,559
little reaction uh swordsman's reaction each one. I I love it.

1189
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:57,199
So you know, from where this guy started in freaking

1190
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,400
hawk eyed, where he is now, I'm really loving this guy.

1191
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,760
He's uh, I'm a big fan. So that's that's been

1192
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:02,559
a nice turnaround.

1193
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:04,519
Speaker 1: Fingers crossed. He just makes it out of the season

1194
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:06,960
like he is. He he could also be easy casualty

1195
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,679
on the good guy's side. You know, I don't want

1196
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,360
him to be, but I hope not. I hope. I

1197
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,840
hope he's there. So what else do we go? We

1198
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,840
talked about care Oh one thing, What the hell was

1199
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,559
that hiding spot of Josies. There's a door and when

1200
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,519
we open the door, it's a hole in the wall.

1201
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:28,400
What like like at least put like a massive picture

1202
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:30,679
or put like Matt's a strong guy. We saw him

1203
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:33,400
more of the shore. They put like like a hutch

1204
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,239
there or something that m could just like slide like

1205
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,840
literally open the door a hole and not even like

1206
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,119
a sheet cover and then they move it. Look, it's

1207
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,719
it's just a hole. It was the worst hiding. These

1208
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:45,679
are low for the resistance, I guess.

1209
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,599
Speaker 2: So that's why they're that's why they're shacking up and

1210
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:49,840
punishers old digs.

1211
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,159
Speaker 1: That's true, don't Yeah, And then my last note was yeah.

1212
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:57,079
They get the task Force guy at the end episode two,

1213
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:58,800
and Karen's like, well, what do we gotta do all

1214
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,159
le's around, Let's get some information. Who knows this guy

1215
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:02,599
is true or not? Which I think he was true.

1216
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:04,639
I guess right because the whole joke. But he's gonna

1217
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:06,159
go back and maybe be kind of a mole for

1218
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:07,960
them because he's like, oh, I hate this, I want

1219
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,119
to be a rebel, Like we're going too far, but

1220
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,239
I love when they first started get a terror game,

1221
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,360
Matt just points to like you're a liar, and then

1222
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,679
he looks he's lying us. He's in full on teargation,

1223
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,599
like he's gonna beat this man, like with his hands

1224
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:22,760
to blood pulp. And then I said no, no, please, sorry,

1225
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,280
and he looks like he's like, no, he's not lying,

1226
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,559
but he continues to do that to egg of mind's like,

1227
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:27,960
are you lying to me? And he like has his

1228
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,719
fists up. That like is like that to me is

1229
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,000
like the perfect type of humor for this show where

1230
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:35,960
he is using his powers because he actively knows. Yeah,

1231
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,119
he's not lying at all, but he's gonna just gauge

1232
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,119
him and just mess with him. So that whole scene

1233
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:42,280
like it was some good levity and it didn't feel

1234
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,880
like a a bad time equipped You're like, ah, this

1235
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,119
choke is like no perfect situational humor. So I loved it.

1236
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, uh, just some quick notes for me. Well,

1237
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:54,920
I guess going back to the doctor Glenn, Heather, do

1238
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,039
you do you think there's actually something here where they're

1239
00:50:57,039 --> 00:50:58,920
setting up her and Buck or was that just for

1240
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,960
that one sequence in the in the ball.

1241
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: I think it all depends on what happens to Heather.

1242
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,960
If she becomes more bad, then it could be her

1243
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,880
in buck Town for a while. I'm gonna say it's

1244
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,519
just for one sequence, so Buck could do his whole like, oh,

1245
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:15,559
Buck knows the lay.

1246
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: Of the land like that scene. I thought that was good. Yeah,

1247
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:20,079
Buck is always chewing that.

1248
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,079
Speaker 1: Yeah pretty well. Like all the Gester, I love what

1249
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:24,880
they called Daniel, like the king who doesn't know he's

1250
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,519
gonna king or something like that, like the unwarranted or

1251
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:31,599
unknowing whatever seed or something. I don't know what it was,

1252
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:33,639
but I'm gonna say it's just the one off because

1253
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:35,840
I just can't fully commit that Heather's gonna keep going

1254
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,679
down the bad round. But if she is, maybe her

1255
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,920
and Bucking be a couple and then it's they're a

1256
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,599
megabad guy thing. But it was a I think it

1257
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:43,239
was a good scene.

1258
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: So yeah. Another random thing is when the when they

1259
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,480
go to the lawyer Sheila, she's at the bar. She's

1260
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:54,440
pissed off because she lost the lost the trial, and

1261
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,440
then she gets a drink from someone, so then she

1262
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,559
turns around and then gets bumped by Karen and who

1263
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:05,119
gives her the note. Yeah, like was the was the

1264
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:07,920
ploy also them buying the drink for her too, so

1265
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,039
that she would turn around to get the note, because

1266
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:12,039
I don't feel like that part was necessary or was

1267
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:14,360
that just a coincidence In terms of the time, I.

1268
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: Thought the same thing because that was she gonna turn

1269
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,679
around see Matt or something like that, right, and the

1270
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,079
that's just a random guy. And then Karen just bother.

1271
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,559
Speaker 2: It so like he was clearly either in on the

1272
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:24,440
thing where he actually did buy her the drink, So

1273
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:25,880
I don't know what was going.

1274
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: On there if he wasn't in on the thing. Poor

1275
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,719
guy buys a girl drink, she looks back, she's looking

1276
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,840
like she's down to talk, have a good time. She

1277
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,360
just leaves no.

1278
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,599
Speaker 2: An unnecessary spill of the drink. And you know, I

1279
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,360
guess they maybe they just handed that guy at fiver

1280
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:40,559
just to buy the drink and set the thing up.

1281
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:42,360
But it felt a little cheesy.

1282
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take it that they did set out.

1283
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,119
But I also I'm gonna take it that Karen. Why

1284
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:48,119
couldn't she just walk by and slam the thing and

1285
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:51,920
then walk away like like or just eat like she

1286
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,119
looked like she's starting to drink, like while she's taking

1287
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,119
a shot. Just put them from her. It felt it

1288
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:58,199
fell a little clunky, felt a little clunky, you know,

1289
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,159
so and especially in this world too, like they I

1290
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:04,239
guess I don't have the funds, but like they can't

1291
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,079
get any sort of burner phones. I would hide their

1292
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,280
IP address that they could just text her number. Matt

1293
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,679
knows the number. I'd assume he worked they owned a

1294
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,320
firm together. Just text a no number, come to your

1295
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,800
office now, because like that doesn't make any less dangerous.

1296
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:18,159
Random person bumped.

1297
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: Into other lawyer guy communicating they because he had a

1298
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:28,239
burner phone, right who no, No, Like the guy in

1299
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,920
episode one here where they would always meet under like

1300
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,039
some random overpass.

1301
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh you mean cherry with the cherry.

1302
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:39,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would be like, oh yeah, but I guess

1303
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,239
they had, you know, true he knew burners.

1304
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, but yeah a little clunky, a little clunky.

1305
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: And then yeah, lastly, we already kind of mentioned it.

1306
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,360
But seeing that the kid maybe kind of graduating into

1307
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,639
the White Tiger, I think it's gonna be fun because

1308
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:58,920
my only knowledge of this character prior to this show

1309
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:01,719
was of course Snap and then Marvel Snap White Tiger

1310
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,159
is a is a woman, So I guess this is

1311
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:06,840
maybe the origin story of the character untold Dad whenever

1312
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,480
it just dies and then she takes on the mantle,

1313
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:10,760
So uh yeah, I'm curious to see what that what

1314
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,159
that goes grows into. I don't know how she slashed

1315
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:19,599
that tire to the knife, but like she got over

1316
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:21,360
to that truck and slashed that tire.

1317
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: I guess when they were shooting at them, she snuck

1318
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,159
behind them and did the tire.

1319
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: It has like insane acrobatics and stelf.

1320
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: She was wearing the medallion though, so maybe she's already

1321
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,360
got those reflex and stuff going on, right because remember

1322
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,599
that thingility though is no. But maybe it's just like

1323
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,920
you could like good crawling.

1324
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: Ability and slash back and see what she did there,

1325
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,400
because that's like I would have been really. I mean again,

1326
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,559
these guys are really untrained and really shot their jobs,

1327
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:49,639
but like I kind of wanted to see how she

1328
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,079
did that. Maybe was still like full of air, like

1329
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:54,519
I think could have used it.

1330
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:57,519
Speaker 1: But they definitely like Cegi just scratch marks onto a

1331
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,559
live tire. It's like and and it was just the

1332
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:03,000
one tires like you could definitely use that. There's another

1333
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:06,119
car that had. Yeah, but it is funny because they

1334
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:09,679
know we're all thinking about like Jones and the Defenders, like,

1335
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,440
oh when is if Cage's gonna come back? Colleen? You know, uh,

1336
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,079
who else was it? There? Iron fists who got Missy Night?

1337
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:22,639
You know, tons of people. Yeah, Ward, Hey, Tom Pelfrey's

1338
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,199
he's a Amman nominated actor. Now he's had a good run,

1339
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,360
but it is funny where Okay, I do want some

1340
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,840
of those characters back, but at the same time, it's

1341
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,920
like we're building our own little mini one with Daredevil, Karen, Swordsman,

1342
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,679
White Tiger, like he's got his own mini crew by himself.

1343
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,719
Now he didn't even need the Defenders now, you know.

1344
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,760
So yeah, we'll see what happens. So anything astim no,

1345
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,599
I think that's all there we go, So we are done.

1346
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,760
We'll be back next week exciting because they didn't all

1347
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,239
hat and heavy, so I think we're gonna be We're

1348
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,199
almost at the halfway point of the season. I think

1349
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:51,320
we're gonna be firing all cylinders. I guess next week

1350
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,320
we we'll get this boxing match that keep pinting at

1351
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,119
rip to that trainer just like.

1352
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: You gotta quick and that an episode one because I

1353
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,880
feel like I totally missed that.

1354
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,639
Speaker 1: If they were, I don't think they were, but they

1355
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:02,320
did two and three, so I thought it was happening

1356
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,639
in one of these two episodes, but uh no, not yet.

1357
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,360
So we'll see what happens, and hopefully it'll not be

1358
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:07,719
worning