Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to The Daredevil Born
Again Season two review series. I am the liar dress.
Now I'm trying.
Speaker 2: Buy Hey, my name is almost You're lying.
Speaker 1: He's lying, He's telling the truth. My one of my
favorite bits of this episode. But I know you're fin lying.
I will say, like, they trouple a lot of f
bombs on the show, now, right, I'm not alone in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, anytime Matt is saying one, it always surprises
me a little bit. Yeah, even though it shouldn't at
this point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I guess it doesn't matter because now
what we do other than the finale and the premiere,
we just get right in a spoiler. So if you're
not seen episode two or three, which I am seeing
the title, I spelled episode wrong, so we have to
fix that. But if you've not seen them, we're just
getting right in a full spoilers. But when Matt like
leaned down to Guy and said, like, you better do
this or you're fucked, I was like, I was so wow,
it was good. But it's just still like we're hearing
that right, Like sometimes it works and then sometimes it
feels like, oh, we can swear if you feels like
it's the Steve Buscemi meme where it's like, hey, you're
on Disney Plus it's radar, but we want to make
sure people know it's radar, So give us up more
of those f bombs going on.
Speaker 2: Fox was feeling himself tonight, I will.
Speaker 1: Say, yes, yeah, absolutely so. No, we got some fun
to talk about. Uh as usual, a lot of stuff
on the feeds patroon best way to listen. I'll talk
about that a little bit later, but uh yeah, Dylan,
we're twenty four hours away from Mario, which is fun.
I'm more more so just twenty four hours away from Fox. McLeod.
You know, I heard your newscast. I heard your newscasts.
Couldn't believe you'ren't going, but I get it. But yeah,
I'm just I'm just there to see that that what
is it a y wing? Right? They're flying?
Speaker 2: I mean it's wing typically, but isn't that like a
Star Wars thing.
Speaker 1: Actually star wing or Star Wars? Yeah? Do they also
call it next Wing?
Speaker 2: Well, I know the big ship is called the Star
Star Fox, yes, but I don't know what their individual
little little ones are because I've never really heard star Fox.
I just I know this, but got the guy from
Smash to me, he's a Smash character.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. Yeah that's another cast. I'm one side
question and I still talk about it. But that's the
thing where because I posted star Fox and I talked
about very excited now my Twitter algorithm whenever I go
on star Fox coded big debate and argument between people
that his name's not star Fox, it's Fox McLoud and
so yeah we'll get yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean Travis Hu or I mean Taylor Rather had
the whole debate on the cast too of his his
dad's name and all this stuff. There's a lot of
crazy lore that we learned in that episode. That was
That was a fun episode. I feel like people should
go back and check that one out if you missed it.
Speaker 1: It was especially the star Fox segment, those sounds he
was making. That was a good time. So but you know,
it was a good time. Maybe this maybe not, I
don't know. Episode two and three of Boring in Awesome
mean Dylan reviewed that last week Taylor Kirkland should be
on next week. Taylor's gonna do the double because the
way it was his kid's bedtime.
Speaker 2: I could barely do the Doubler. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: It was well, especially too, it's not like an old
school Disney plus Doubler where it was, oh, they're two
thirty minute episodes, it's like a full episode, right, it'd
say they were both fifty minutes plus, which is is
it's nice because it's old school Air Devil and then
Kirkle was six. So hopefully we'll hear some of their thoughts,
I guess on newscast on Thursday. I'm sure we might
hear someone on what we've been watching. But Dylan Muss
last week we were I think pretty positive, like, okay,
this is a good start as a two and three.
How did you feel about these episodes and did you
feel it was a right pairing or did you feel
you could have watched two by itself? How was this experience?
And you said this almost mini movie experience for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. I think after episode
two movie. We speculated this last last week, like why
are they putting these two episodes together? And I think
I've seen it. I've seen the reason for that because
episode two I was like, I feel like I'm in
a desert right now and I'm just searching for an oasis,
searching for water in any way I can find.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: But then episode three comes around and I think I'm
on the surface of a rackets the spice is flowing,
good Man. So I I think this was a good
mixture of episodes, kind of a slow, slower one. There's
some things happening, but it's even Matt. It's like barely
in the episode. I feel like Charlie, you know, almost
he takes complet backseat in that one. But then episode three,
there's a ton of juicy stuff that's happening in here.
We get some good we get some good fight scenes,
we get a juicy courtroom scene, we get some good
character development, and honestly, a surprising amount of things occurred.
I feel like, you know where we leave off at
the end of this episode, That is what I thought
would maybe you would be at the end of a
episode five or six or something leading into like a
kind of a finale moment, and we're here now. So
it makes it gets me hope that there's gonna be
a lot that happens this season, which is kind of
surprising because episode one and two were kind of slow.
But I guess that really they took their time to
introduce all the characters and storylines, but I feel like
we're just full into it now, which I guess makes
sense because we only have five more episodes at this point.
But yeah, I was pretty pretty enthused with the kind
of third episode. In general, I would say where it
leaves us off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's always not always because then sometimes
you'd be like, what else do we do? But I'd
say most of the time, especially in this job, when
we dissect things, do predictions talk about trailers when things
happen sooner than you think where it's like, oh, that's
probably the ending. You know. I saw all this song
week or Tres told you today with Mike ause he
put this on discord too, Like when we the newest
he Man trailer, don't lots of people are worried, like
is this dude just really he Man for that last
like fifteen twenty minutes the movie where his shirtless and
that's a sore, right, So I guarantee you Master Universe
fan because I'm not seeing that, but I guarantee those
fans if it's halfway through the movie and he's shirtless
in that spirit of the sword, you're like oh, thank god,
you know, we don't got to worry about that. That's
where with this it's like the same thing, the fact
that we go to what did they call it was
Red Hook or I think was red Hook this person. Yeah,
and we're doing a bunch of busts out even the trial.
We even said like, oh, we think one of those
could happen, but they're kind of gearing up to the
wards that maybe they'll be back when Matt's there. No,
we got a trial episode three. It's funny there I
And this is a good thing. And this is where
I legitimately feel like even though those hot those episodes
last season, would Punisher and Daredevil together were the highlights
of that I feel like on since the Netflix era,
this is the highest I've been on this particular show
because it just felt like what we talked about a
few times, where characters that I don't care too often about,
there's still one we're gonna talk about. I don't know
what they're doing, but there's still I feel like there
are making other characters, even the Swordsman, who sure he
wasn't Hawkeye, but we barely got to know that dude
right like he seemed like he was a criminal, and
now they're making him seem like he was a I
guess a vigilante who wash So it's like okay. And
even the person that Matt I always forget her name
that was running the firm with Matt, Like I'm liking
some of her character details, but there's stuff with not
just the trial. And this isn't a case of oh,
they need to do this and all like the show.
There were just multiple questions I had last week where
I went, okay, and we'll get into like what about
this what's this character's motivation? Where last season I felt
like we never got that or it was a very
minor type of answer. Yeah, here it is like Okay,
I guess that's what we get, right, Like I think
we talked about with Heather, right she hates vigilantes and
why does she talk like why is she still even
in this episode she calls mus a vigilante. He was
not vigilant. He was killing innocent people for art, Like
there's no correlation there, right, So I feel like last
season had a lot of those, but I particular points
with Fisk, some stuff with Matt and Karen and I
talked about that are crucial things to their characters. That
were all those Netflix shows that are either back or
just being refleshed out. And that's so great because it
feels like these characters are three D. They're actually not
just Okay, stop bad guy fight and move on to
the next thing. Right, there's clashing going on and it
makes sense, like we'll get into But my biggest thing
last week was why is Fisk not telling everybody who
Daredevil is? And they gave multiple reasons, huge plot threat,
and I was like, it all made sense. It made
me feel good as a year, and that's what it
show should do, is that's when we bring up questions.
It's not that we're like, oh, this show sucks. It's
just like, okay, a movie, show, video game is doing this,
why is it doing this right? And then when it
gives a good reason, it's that that's the best feeling
and the worst feeling sometimes. And I think we've gone
that sometimes with I'll keep it in this round in
the mqu marble shows that sometimes there's just not a reason,
whether it's good or bad. It's just something happens and
we move along because we got to set X, Y
and Z. But I think that's also helped this year
with it having the longer run times, like you said,
being a mini movie, but it helps having fifty minutes
plus and not just be you know, ten minutes of
credits and get to know the situations and the characters.
And yeah, I'm I'm really excited. I'm and especially too
because I feel like this is episode three, We're ramping up,
and I feel like there's a hopefully clear vision We're
not gonna have a weird pivot in the middle of
the season. So I'm pretty optimistic right now. Watch next
week be like a stinker or something. But I'm feeling
really good right now.
Speaker 2: So we haven't even seen uh, Jessica Jones yet, and
I'm sure that's gonna be really exciting, uh plot whatever,
even if she's in there just for a bit, but like, yeah,
we haven't even gotten into that yet, and we're already
this high in the season is pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: Well, and even stuff like the White Tiger stuff, Yeah,
I'm sure I remember it being in a trailer, but
I kind of forgot about that character, and not in
a bad sense. I liked that storyline. I like the
daughter that was left behind, but when she came back
in this episode. I was like, Okay, I like this character,
like Ori, we're going it's not a three episode, Like
should I get out there and help? Should I not?
They did that right at the beginning where the mom says, hey,
I don't really want you doing that stuff. Stop following
that stuff like let's live her life like he because
they talk about oh what if he didn't put on
the caution right, kind of insinuating that, you know, your
father was a good guy? Was it father? Uncle? It
was an uncle? I think I can't remember who he was.
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll look it up in a second, but either way,
it's like.
Speaker 2: Too soon in the series for me to remember.
Speaker 1: He didn't remember. He just died an alley to fake
punisher in the out like the Terrible Death. But that's
where I'm invested in this character. And it wasn't a Okay,
we're gonna h hum for a bit. It gave the
stakes of hey, he did a lot of good things,
but he paid for it. Shouldn't have done that. They
did a great situation at the grocery store whatever convenience
store where I love that you have them too, and
then you have the three kind of dickheads that are
looking like they're stealing, and then you have the shop
owner and they all are imposing sides when the scene starts,
but by the scene ends, it shows Oh, it doesn't
even matter. You can be criminal owner, just a person
that's coming to shop and look what's happening to you.
I do think too for a throw to you. I
do wonder how people feel because we got this a
couple of times lash of people not loving the Mayorfist storyline,
not because it was bad, but just because it was
too similar life. I will say this is a show.
If you are just purely looking for like a dirty
jury duty like company retreats escapism, this show is not it.
Right now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but
this show is like literally just taking things that are
happening in the news, specifically in America, which is bold
of them. But at the same time I could see
people Obviously you divide people politically, but then also if
people just tune in and go, ah, like this is
not that you see every day, but it's just a
tough pill of swallow. And these scenes are really good
because they're harrowing and they're drama filled, so they're they
are well done, but they're tough to watch. So I
wonder how people feel about that when the season continues,
because I don't think the task Force is going away
till the end of this year, I imagine, so right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean I like one of the things
you mentioned there, just like we posed so many questions
last week, and I feel like we already got a
ton of answers to a lot of those questions, which
is pretty awesome this early. And it helps that it
was a double episode. I'm sure we would have got
a lot of things answered any which way, but yeah,
it's it's great to say how much more mentum we
got going on here. I guess a place we could
start is, you know, the topic we're not gonna have
a whole lot of conversation about, unfortunately, But is is
Bullseye Because he's just in episode two and he's not
doing a ton he's doing some reconning. He kills a
couple of stock and going on in the elevator, and
then he's yeah, camp, you know, watching Vanessa and the
therapist lady. I think I wrote her name down, but
I always forget where Heather Heather, Yeah, yeah, he's he's
stalking them a little bit, watching their dinner. I didn't
I thought, are we just going like, is he just
gonna kill one of them right here?
Speaker 1: I thought Vanessa has gone on in that moment for.
Speaker 2: Sure, build up maybe then just going forward in that
in that moment, but yeah, I don't know what is
he up to? Do you think at this point in time?
Speaker 1: I do think Vanessa is done for now. I think
I thought this theory last year. I can't remember why,
because I think I was like, maybe they won't get
back together, or maybe it's right when they get back
together Fisk and Vanessa, she'll be taken from them and
that'll motivate them. The reason I think that is she's
getting these dream sequences, which I liked. There was that
moment where she just looked at the window and could
sense him there, and I can't remember what Heather said,
head it's like, oh, my uncle said, that's like a
feeling of blah blah blah, Like it's something like it's
just a call before the storm, right, And Vanessa kind
of laughed it off to me, Maybe I'm wrong, But
the tip off was when Vanessa vary to me randomly
right now, the Fiscus, the Mayor, they're happy operations are running.
Fiscus talking about expanding and going to different countries and
the world's oh I love that line because you know,
just another bad are bald Marvel bad guy. When she's like,
how do you like how did she set him up?
Oh do you want to how many worlds do you
want to take over? And he just said, well, how
many is there? I was like, oh, that's such a
good like Kingkin line, is he gonna get the Gauntlet?
And the next you know, saga? But so what was
random is things pretty much run a roll for the
Fisks right now, and then all of a sudden she's like,
oh it was great being on that beach hey, And
even Fisk was like, oh, you know this and this,
but I did, like I don't like the sand of
my toes, you know, some Haym Christensen dialogue. But then
he's like, but I did like spending time with you there.
So I feel now that they're maybe thinking about the
Fisks are right now deciding okay, do we expand and
take over the world or do we just say fit
and we're just gonna go be in love and go
on a beach. I feel like they might pick that
ladder option. But then bulls eyes and take her off,
So I think I don't know why if he wanted
to kill her, why he wouldn't just do it at
that scene. So that's the only thing that gives me
doubt because she's clear shot unless that windows maybe bulletproof, right,
that could be the case.
Speaker 2: That though, is he capable of giving up in that scene?
Speaker 1: No, But if Vanessa dies, he never has to think
about it, right, he might The idea might be in
this thought that maybe he's convinced one night, and that's
the night where bulls Eye like that.
Speaker 2: Just that idea alone is a thing that motivates him,
even if he.
Speaker 1: Knows exactly right. It's it's like dexter if like, oh
if I could only stop killinghim, but it's like you
don't want to stop killing dude, like you you're liking this.
So I think he wants to do that. But then,
and it can always be the He can always say, oh, well,
I would have gave this up if Vanessa was alive.
It's an easy straw man argument for him. So I
don't know what bulls Eye is up to. Even that
scene where he killed those two anti Task Force guys,
it just felt like a reshoot because he didn't do anything.
Cherry and his friends already got him out of there.
He just killed some guys in an elevator. It was
kind of for Yeah, he's like, this episode has no action.
Put Ballsy doing some weird stuff in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something to you know, wake people up. I did
like that. Yeah, the kind of parallel. I feel like
there's a lot of good parallels in these in these
two episodes of just showing kind of two sides of things.
And we definitely got that with the scene of the
two couples in bed kind of flipping back and forth
and yeah, like this so good. Just like they're in
they're like satin gowns and whatnot, versus like, you know,
Karen and Matt, who are just like in a as
they're both like on the run and they're trying to
do something, and then the other two are kind of
just yeah, debating, kind of fleeing and just kind of
living a happy life and not having to worry about
all the chaos that they've left behind them, all the
bridges they've burned. So yeah, that was it. That was
a good sequence.
Speaker 1: I really like that, and that's why I love like
it's little stuff. But when they were in bed and
they transitioned over to Karena Matt, I thought it was
just a cool transition. So it's like, Okay, I'm happy,
but I was like, oh, it'd be so cool if
they went back forth. Then they literally did that to
show that dichotomy of the two couples, you know, the
heads and the tails. So yeah, I'm curious what's gonna
happen there? And yeah, other than that, like yeah, bullseye,
I guess. The other thing was he was in the
church hit funny enough, he was asking to speak with
Matt's mom, which was crazy because that's mother Maggie, So
of course she's out on retreat. Of course she is.
Just Matt's going through the worst time of his life
and his mom's not there for him. Classic Matt, you know,
deadbeat mom. But that's okay, she's on retreat, she's doing
good stuff. But if you don't recall, because when that happened,
Emily was watching, She's like, oh, did they just reveal
that's his mom? Like, oh, they cover all in season three.
She's like, well, do they not even like do they
just kind of like hint around. I'm like, no, they
have a whole thing of Matt being like you left
me when I was a kid. But the thing is yeah,
so that but that's where to the point where in
I think it's a finale or pen ultimate, Bulls like
goes that church and I think kills Remember I think
in the original series he had that priest that he
was always telling to you, like the male priest, and
he kills other people. So I found it very fitting
or interesting that Bulls Eye went to a place that
in season three killed a bunch of people as wanting
for a tone two sins, and he specifically wanted to
talk to her because she was a survivor from that night.
So he is like we talked about it last week.
He is trying to I guess like he said, he
wants to tone for a since, which is just it's
it's interesting. I just don't know how this is gonna
go down. It's it's such a fun thing. I thought
we were gonna get more of them in this these
two episodes. But he wanted to talk to her, and
he killed those fatask forrus guys, and he's just watching
Vanessa right now. But yeah, I think what do you
think do you think, because that's my theory, do you
think Vanessa's a gone her this season? Per Bollseye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you've posed some good reasons for how
they could be setting that up, And like we've got
a lot of time with her at this point, maybe
not in like Born Against specifically, even then, we actually
have got quite a lot with her, but just across
the whole series at this point, and I do feel
like that is maybe, yeah, the motivation that Kingpin needs
to go into like whatever his next gear is gonna
look like at this point. So I yeah, I think
I'm with you on that. I guess I just don't
know then where it'll be in the season, Like is
the end of the season things setting us up for
next time, or is it is it just kind of
early on here? I guess it would be quite the
tease if they're already kind of hinting at it this
early on in the series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough because you could see it two ways, right,
It's kind of like what we said with Jessica, that
could be a like a boost, right, It's like, Okay,
a couple episodes from now Boom, Vanessa's done and that
gives Fisk urgency. But that could also be a season
ender where imagine if Fisk is in prison and then
he has to find out that Vanessa is killed by
Bullseye and that's his motivation of getting out. Like, I
don't know if Fisk is gonna go to prison, but
I don't think he's gonna be the mayor. No, yeah,
but he's not gonna be the mayor, I imagine, right,
so he has to be somewhere. But then I also
wonder if that's just the idea of and you know what,
as much as I don't want this, that's why I'm
gonna say it's gonna happen maybe five to six because
I could see Bullseye. I don't know how he dies
because he can heal, but maybe he does eat it.
And maybe that's because I keep talking about, like how
do you redeem this character? Right? Maybe it is just
the classic Star Wars. He falls on the sword for
the team, right, and Fisk does that. But if you
think about that, if Bullseye kills Vanessa and then Fist
kills Bullseye and Fist doesn't have Vanessa, I feel like
that plan the US about taking over the world. If
he's not the New York mayor anymore, he could become
the Kingpin to the world like he was talking about.
Because it's kind of crazy. Not that's anything to do
with it, but me and the girls because we're gonna
ready for Brandon Day, were watching the ninety Spider Man
animated series and we were in the first episode of Hobgoblin,
and when he goes to Kingpin's base, He's like, Oh,
this is the Kingpin. This is where all the crime
in the world's mastermind. I'm like, right, I guess technically
that is Kingpin. Like in the shows it is New York,
but in the comics he is like a guy that
has his hands and everything. And plus if we have
some hope maybe of Dare Devil and other characters being
in Spider Man, maybe there's a hope that's what they'll
do with Kingpin is that's how you elevate him to
a Spider Man villain. Right now, he's not just messing
with New York. He's messing with everybody. So that's that's
my thinking.
Speaker 2: You know, they they set up that Kingpin in this
next episode or something like that is gonna is doing
like an underground like fight or something like that. He's
going into the ring and we've seen Spidy in a
ring like that before and now it's a very different.
Speaker 1: Boxing match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but hey, maybe maybe that's a way. I don't
know if I don't know if this Peter Parker, I mean,
he's kind of down on his luck, but it seems
like there's a lot going on. I don't know if
he's going to be back to that level of yeah
Spidy where he's got to you know, fight some people
in a ring to make money or whatever.
Speaker 1: I still would like, I hope in this show or
in the movie. Uh in this episode I think it
was episode three, they did say they called the task
Force friendly neighborhood task Force, and then on those BB
Kingpin videos, I do hope we just get somewhat of like, yeah,
I was fine along in the whole s like somewhere
else in New York, right, because as I always said,
weird inspider man, like he literally has nothing to do
as far as we know, he's not going to school,
he's not dayning MJ. Why is he not beating up
this task Force like every day? And I hope it's
just a one little mention of oh yeah, I helped
that a lot, you know, I did a lot of
the clean up there, and we just saw that off screen.
I don't know, it's a little thing, but still it's
a little odd.
Speaker 2: It just always seems like the Spider Man movies come
together really quickly and Daredevil's taking a long time. So
I just don't know how much there's actually any meaningful connectivity.
We'll see. Hopefully there's something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully there's something big place, you know, very big,
so he'd be on the whole other side, right so
he didn't even know about that, or maybe he's still
say he's hanging out.
Speaker 2: With here about it. An exploding tanker though, with filled
with guns like that seems like something Spider Man would
learn about.
Speaker 1: Well, the tanker and even I think that's one thing though,
where they have set themselves in a not to make
this like a predictions rand today, but like they've set
themselves up in an interesting way where Okay, sure Matt
Murdoch wasn't no way home, but he was just a lawyer.
Right now on brand new day, Spider Man is pound
around Frank and in the trailer, they kind of established
they already know each other. So it's the thing of
like it's like he would know about people walking around
the Punisher's low, like you would know balls. So it's
not like a, oh, I've been so I've been fighting
Tombstone for months. I didn't even get that. I'm sorry, Mad,
I'm glad that all worked out for you. It's like
if he's actively budding around a frank, it's like, oh,
what happened to those dudes or what's going on all
those dudes that are all wearing your symbol and stuff? Like,
I know, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, I don't know if they can
make it a big plot point though, because there's like,
what are they gonna do expect the audience to watch,
you know, at two seasons of a show, potentially three
seasons of a show potentially go back and watch Punisher, Like,
I don't know. I think they're gonna keep it pretty
surface level, but hopefully we do get some mentioned eve,
even if it's an off hand common I guess as
you're mentioning with Punisher being in there, like there is
precedent to at least get some lines of explanation but
hopefully it's not just like two or three lines just
to like pass off, yeah, make it like believable. But
I don't how much time we have for that kind
of thing in a movie that also has Hull maybe
Jean Gray, like I don't know, and like Zenda is
still in there full time, so I just don't know.
I don't know if we have time for the street
level stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. No, And I guess to your point too,
if we end this season, if the Task Force done,
and if this isn't the mayor, it's almost like a
null issue, right Like for us fanboys will be like, oh,
what's going on. It'd be different if for season three
of Daredevil, which they're filming now, that was still going on, Like.
Speaker 2: I had an eye on it, and yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it'd be one thing if it's still going on.
Speaker 2: Jones, she's pretty good at what she does.
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, yeah, who knows all the other defenders too.
He's like, I hear the coming back, but uh, yeah,
we will see, Yeah we will. I hope Colin Wing
gets gets the draft pick one day, so uh we'll see.
But one and I guess we can stay in the realm.
Speaking of Punishure, they did talk about Frank in this episode,
Uh they ask kind of I like that they just
don't know where he is. And I love the back
and forth of Karen's like do you think he's dead?
And that's like absolutely not, Like he's just out there
doing his thing. I like that they just think of
Matt like special. Yeah, like even though Frank is just
a regular man, they talk about him like the Hulk, like, Nah,
there's no way he'd be dead. He's doing the same thing.
So I kind of like that they are if you
don't remember the using his base of operations, like where
they were when Matt was Charlie Cox at one point
had his shirt off. Man is best, best you've ever
seen this guy. This guy was good. He's ready to
play Wolverine or something. But when they're in that that
that locker room is the same place where Matt and
Frank had their fight. So I guess maybe pun of
sure like gave them like the key and said, hey,
like go ahead use this. I don't know so that
they they've taken over his base, But I did like
that they just established that they don't know where Frank is.
He's just doing what he's doing and what I loved.
We talked about this last week. Karen goes, oh, we
could really use him right now, and Matt's like, well,
what do you mean we could really use him? Like, oh, well,
you know, he could be making some headway like now
I'm paraphrasing. And I talked about that as far as
with Bullseye with the Task Force. Karen in the multiple
seasons of Daredel has shown that she's opposed to killing people.
She killed someone in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't asked was that a kill shot or
was that just like an incapacitated shot.
Speaker 1: I think the way they zoomed in on that was
to show that he tracked the heartbeat.
Speaker 2: It was it was it was too quick. If like
that was her killing her first human being, No, she's
killed before. Okay, she's killed multiple people.
Speaker 1: Actually she killed Yeah, she accidentally killed someone. She killed
remember Wesley Kingkon's original Buck, the guy that would go
around with them. There might be another, but she's like
killed at least two people now, so she's you know,
kind of fine with it. I guess, so I think
that'll come up next week. And I said to them
and It's like, what is she supposed to do? She
doesn't have a ton she has a super sensor, so
and she's out there shooting. It's like you couldn't have
to shoot to kill, like you know, the whole.
Speaker 2: Scene, like because I love the fight scene before that,
and we'll talk about that, of course. But when she
gets out of the truck and there's like, you know,
seven guys with ars and she's like corner peeking with
a pistol, mic, this is not a good idea, Karen.
But I mean she got the only fatal blowout of
all those gunshots. One else hit a single target.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then yeah, and that's where the because I
well see it happens. But if Matt's like, did you
kill that guy last week? I mean like, yeah, she did,
Like what do you expect her to do? And that?
But I did like that they already showing who knows
if they do end up together. We talked about this
that maybe they aren't gonna be endgame because they're just
together now because the trauma. But they do have different
ideologies in this show. And she is she she she
didn't say it, but she's still pretty much fine. A
Frank comes around, and kills people, and even then she
she walked back and said, Okay, if not these guys,
but at least Fisk, where Matt's like, I wouldn't do that.
Fa you wouldn't do that. Do you want to do that?
And she never answered. So that's why I love again.
We're seeing these characters that were fleshed out before in
past narratives clashing.
Speaker 2: So do you think that that we had that sequence?
I wanted to just kind of explain that they acknowledge
Punisher here, but also to set up that like she
is willing to kill, like for people like me who
even watched the show but just like forgot that she's
out here amerking people left, fright and center apparently, Or
do you think it's more to like that we're you know,
it's foreshadowing where they're gonna have a big heated debate
about this where he really pushes back against her ways,
Like is that a route we're gonna go down where
there's drama between them and they want to go separate
paths because of their different ideologies or was it more
just to set up the fact that she will be
killing in this series and just like that's why her
reasoning is I.
Speaker 1: Think I think both. I think they'll set up that
she's gonna kill But I think it's gonna be drama
because when BULLSYE eventually gets like weaved into their story,
I feel like that's the way of because she was
ready to she like I talked about she seemed like
she was ready to kill Bulls. I like, oh, nothing
happened to him and he's fine. I wonder if Bullsy
is gonna be like, hey, I know you hate me.
I know I should be in prison, but what if
I can take out Fisk and Matt could be oh no,
let's not do that way. And what if Karen sees
that as the one opportunity of you know what, Like,
I hate this guy, but if he could take out Fisk,
a lot of this could stop. So I do think
it's gonna lead to drama. I don't think it's gonna
break them up. I just think it's gonna lead to heavy,
heavy clashing between the two and just some drama between them.
But I don't think a breakup thing right now, and
I still think they'll end the season relatively happy. I
think again, I'm hoping he ends up in prison. That's
their problem. But I think they'll bring this up again.
I think once bulls Ie gets in there, because he's
killing people. He killed those task Force guys in the elevator,
so he's it's not like he's repenting that way. If
you were to say, hey, I'm really trying to change,
like I see what Daredevil does, I want to be
that Like I'm even last week, I forgot he killed
all those dudes, right, So if if he didn't have
the killing, I'd say, oh, maybe not. But because he's
a killer and he's taking out the task Force, I
think he's gonna kill Vanessa. He is kind of what
Karen wants, right as far as like the idea she's
pitching Frank to be around. That's bulls eye. He's going
around killing people and making a difference in a sense, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean even in that like fight scene in the
prison cell area, like the Swordsman was out here just
slaying people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right to the eye, I was like, all right, Matt,
Like I like a couple.
Speaker 2: Of those shots even look like Matt was killing people too.
But no, I think he was just knocked people out.
But some of the things he does, it's like you
might have just killed that guy without really knowing it.
Speaker 1: And to me, I would be because obviously we tell
those many three years of your geek for so Daredevil
and also with Batman. My whole thing is I'm fine
with Batman killing two ways if it's manslaughter, so kind
of accidentally right like punch too hard, didn't know them
or that's why your favorite movie Dealing Dark Knight rises.
There's a couple of people there that don't make it.
For me, that's literally, hey, a nuke's gonna go off
in an hour. It's literally a war. That's when, like
Ky Batman, you can kill like if you got to
kill you so right now to me where mad is
in New York, I'm not saying he has to go
to kill, but if it's the only option, I'm completely fine.
Up Darde like Matt, like, you gotta do what you
gotta do, if you gotta get all these people out
of these cages, maybe break a couple of nets or
something like that.
Speaker 2: Some of the damage he's caused to people is, you know,
causing brain damage or life altering to vil debilitating illness.
For sure.
Speaker 1: Those billy clubs, those are like the way they're hidden
people in the head, So yeah, I think, but yeah,
I think they'll see something. And I just think that's
why when she shot him and they went on Matt's ear,
that's he heard the heartbeat stop. I think, so they'll
bring it up.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I was just surprised of how quick it was.
But I guess if as you mentioned, she's killed before,
it wasn't as big of a deal as I thought
it was.
Speaker 1: And I wonder too, remember when Daredevil killed Bulls Eye
quotations because Bulls I lived, He's stopped being Daredevil, right,
that was a big thing for him. I wonder if
he's gonna check on Karen be like, oh, you're right, like,
and she's gonna be completely fine, and that's gonna be
maybe another like hey this if anytime I've crossed that
line and been near it's really fucked me up. Where
Karen's like, well, we got to do, we gotta do,
and that's where I don't know which way it's gonna go.
So that's for me, that's what I love is we
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there you go. Dyl Muss. You talked about do you
really enjoying that fight scene? We're just kind of dancing around,
But yeah, we kind of got a like a trick
wunner where it was a one shot but definitely a
lot of can't I will say again, not like Netflix wers,
where the trick was always like, Okay, sunt guy swaps
out here, Charlie cocks here. This is a lot of
we go into a wall, yeah, cut, go back.
Speaker 2: He felt like vaguely hallways hallways fight scene. Yeah, like
he was trying to capture that same energy. I mean,
I always critique shaky cam in action movies. I feel like,
to me, this was like the right amount of shaky
cam where I could still see the good stuff that
was going on, but he did capture the intensity of
the scene overall. I just thought it was really fun.
I mean, I don't know, I'm just I'm really growing
on swordsman. I like this guy, you know, he's fun. Yeah,
he was doing some cool stuff. I really liked his moves.
He definitely is, as you just said, kind of like
a dancer a little bit. And then kind of yeah,
the switching off with Matt. I thought all that stuff
was really fun. The different props in there. I also
thought mad the way he was like moving around unlocking
all the cages. He was doing like little pier auays
and little like dancing moves as he was putting this
scanner on all the doors. So I thought that was
pretty funny as well. I'm surprised no one it didn't
seem like any of the hostages died. And then a
whole encounter which was one of the like, you know,
part of the task force is that these are just
like untrained cronies, Like none of them are really good
at what they do. You know, some of them are
better than others, I suppose, but even like at the
end with like you know, when they're outside the building
and they're gearing up and trying to take them all out,
and they don't get like a single kill in the one,
Like these guys just suck. Like they're really really bad
at what they're trying to do here, and they're also
horrible people at the same time. So yeah, I really
really like the intensity of that that fight scene. It
was a weird set piece, just like an a warehouse
with a bunch of cages, but it worked. And then
of course using like the environment, like smashing the pipes
to get like the the stuff flowing around was really
fun as well. And yeah, like the lethality of it,
even when I just anytime Daredevil finishes a fight scene
and it's just Charlie just just deep vent breathing any
points like there or whatever, like to you know, go
out the exit door. Just I just love his his
little moments of performance in between like the actual action
parts of it. So yeah, that was a that was
a really great scene, and I'm I again, I'm kind
of surprised at how well it went. I thought there'd
be like a couple of casualties not necessarily remain cast
or something, but I thought there would be like it
was just all good. It was all aces for the
good team here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I enjoyed the scene. Like I said, it
was kind of yeah one er light. There's a couple
of effects things. I swear There's one time Swartsmen was
fighting a guy and he almost just like glitched like
like fast who might have to find the scene. But
something looked very off there.
Speaker 2: He did like a cool little move, but I didn't
catch a little glitch on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'd have to go back at some point.
So there's a couple of stuff there. But the other
thing is, yeah, I'm fine to how they kind of
dispatch them because they are supposed to be similar in
real life. It's not trained people been doing this for years.
Just kind of a bunch of losers that are alone
and be like, oh, I'm gonna join this task for us,
my life will be better, and that's fine, take them
all out. I did kind of laugh because you mentioned
there's two things right where. Okay, so they get out there,
they have Karen meets you know, new White Tiger. They
drive this big kind of swat armor van and I
get it right, but they get everyone in there and
Karen's like, you don't have to dry the swordsman. It's
like I'll figure it out. And then one they leave.
So there's two things here. I just thought that they're
kind of like we saved you about like good luck,
Like I hope you got an escape plan easy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, choice, I mean I think they had a walkie
talkie or something, maybe they could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's still like, why is Matt? Maybe I
guess they just count swordsmen. But two, they're already running
before the vehicle starts. What a swordsman can't start that?
Like what if he does not know how to drive
this thing? But that's fine, so he goes one thing
I would doc At points on, they run to a
vehicle and Karen's van is like parked like right beside
this thing. It's like, I get all the actions going on,
but did you.
Speaker 2: Just drive right up to this Red Hook super secret
base that's housing several dozen prisoners.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, for people, if you've played wars
on you appreciate appreciate this. If there's a big firefight
going on on the map, if you see a car
approaching right away, your eyes on that car like sums up.
You can't just park by the line of fire, you know,
And that's what's happening here. But it's fine. They got away,
and then as they got away, they kind of hinted
throughout this through the episode and even last week about
killing the crew. Poor crew, Hey, we're done, Can we
go home? No? You gotta stay for couple more hours,
stay for a couple of hours, and then fist blows
up the boats because I think what they No, they
should have just stuck with the like the explosion in
the rear view mirror. We would have got it. That
that we we got. They've been talking about it for
two episodes now, of because now it looks like, not
only did Daredevil break out these vigilantes, he was like
a terrorist now and blew up his ball. But it's yeah,
it's lots, Yeah, it's it's a similar adjacent it's higher
up but still adjacent. So but yeah, that's what they did.
So now again as usual, And that's where I think
it could come into the Karen and Matt like killing
him thing. They looked at it as maybe an ace
of a hole, right of Okay, we get these people out,
but if we could prove that these are guns, all
this bad stuff in this boat, then there'll be some layway.
Well that stuff's all blown up, even though it's like
so not like you're telling me, there's not like a
single piece of gun. That's like, there's not multiple like
gun evidence. If you were to go like snorkering to
find like it's not just gonna be the diapers in there, right,
So it feels again that feels very common Bookie of
we blew it up. Problem gone. It's like, well, I
think there could be a little bit more, but that's
what they did. And the boats. I guess fisc is
saved another day from the boats. He's not getting in
trouble for that. So as of right now at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then is the plan to like then frame
vigilantes for that?
Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah, that they escaped and then destroyed
the boat and they're terrorists, right.
Speaker 2: They destroyed the boat like several weeks later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because even even with Swordsmen, they called him a terrorist.
And I can't remember, do you know Matt's former friend
or friend lawyer she lost the case she was with Swordsmen.
They had, yeah, her name in.
Speaker 2: The show, but I swear I wrote it down here.
Speaker 1: Okay, But anyways, they're like, oh, he's a terrorist. She's
like yeah, she was like you literally even know proof
he's a terrorist. This is stuff that they can go, well,
Swordsmen and these people blew up this boat. So it's
just it eggs that on. So I guess that's what
it is it just felt like a very.
Speaker 2: Safe legal system. It's like, okay, Swordsman's being kept in
like some weird non government base when he's like on
trial or whatever like that seems confusing. I mean a
lot of the rules are being broken here. But yeah, yeah,
I was a little confused by that. But I think
that's technically a fraiment that he broke out and then
did this explosion.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, exactly, as like, because he was on trial
and he was supposed to go to prison now, so
he's extra guilty now right, he should just took his
sentence and everything. But that is that is a thing
of people being brought to locations that are not like you.
Speaker 2: At this point, we then go like investigate Red Hook
and be like, oh, this place is kind of fucked up.
Speaker 1: You would think people, you would think. But somehow a
lot of the story here is that things that seems
straightforward in August don't don't necessarily happen in the In
a world that we live in, you would think about
a bunch of people being locked in cages and unknown
locations being kept for reasons would not be a thing allowed.
But it's it somehow. Is it just got to happen,
so you know, and that that's where it is so true.
So yeah, that's what's going on. And then what else
is happening with Fisks? Actually I'll talk about this before
I forget, because we hinted up on it. Yeah, last
week I said, Hey, one of my biggest things is
why do they not say, hey, dared Devil's Matt Murdoch
used against him? Fisk even use that as like a
threat last season. This was perfect as far as hey,
because Buck or was it Buck? That's pitched that it
was Buck? He was Buck said why don't you just
let everybody know his alter ego? And he said, well,
Matt Murdoch or Daredevil can be a vigilante, a terrist,
all these things. Matt Murdoch, he's a hero. He's a
lawyer that fought for people. He also saved my life,
so very hard to frame. And then he had that yeah,
and then he had that smile, and I was like,
is he like happy that, like he has this bro
that saved his life. No, he had this terrible, vicious
idea where he's putting out a bounty to find Matt Murdoch,
not to punish him because he saved his life and
he like wants to make sure he's okay and reward
this guy. So he's like, there's an attack. They're saying
that Daredevil attacked his apartment. Matt Murdoch's been missing, He's
probably hurt, and I really want to get him back.
So I love that. To me, it was a perfect
reason of Okay, vigilanti force after Daredevil. Now you have
people that think they're helping looking for Matt Murdoch. Now
their eyes are thinking, you know, looking missing. So I
thought that was a great reason to not do that
and have that as a just kind of an ace
in the whole form. So to me, it made a
reason for the show and it made Fisk even smarter.
And I love that they explained that all way. So
it was great. So worked out there.
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with that dude thing. That one well,
one detail here that confused me about the storyline. So
we get a lot of Daniel in this episode confronts
BB about the Kingpin videos, the Hunk on Hunk videos
that are going on here. Yeah, he says that the
the videos are being posted from within like the Mayor's
office headquarters.
Speaker 1: No, just the information. So like that video of Daredevil
on the boat that came from within the building, but.
Speaker 2: He said it could have been posted from my computer
though too.
Speaker 1: I guess so, which would be.
Speaker 2: Like the way that it literally was like she I
guess when she's there, she's posting it or something, which
feels like risky movement.
Speaker 1: No way, Like I know, I'm not saying knowing to you,
but I'm like, if you're doing that, that's super risk
I take it. It's like she's popping usb stick, taking
stuff off and going like there's no way she's or
maybe she's using like an IP address like changer to
make it.
Speaker 2: Like when he said that, it means like the info
that I know directly. This person seems to know directly,
even though I don't know. Yeah, the videos are kind
of vague for the most part, but I guess we're
only seeing a couple of them as a viewer. In
the theory, there's a lot more of than happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because even Daredel, they're being told as a terrorist.
So it's just like them saying him on a boat
destroying it's like, does that prove he's a good guy?
Like they're they're spinning and maybe that's why they blew
the boat right to show like, oh, it doesn't matter.
So I did like that. I did like that he
right away went to her because I thought, there's only
so much you can have him be like in love
with the good looking girl and just go by right.
So I kind of like that he he didn't even
do the threat of like if I find out, I'm
gonna kill you or you better not be doing it.
It's kind of like he didn't even say that she
is doing it, but if if you are doing it,
you should stop because we're gonna get killed. And I
know this, like integrity means a law to you, but
integrity is gonna keep like not being integral is gonna
keep us safe. So I like that it was kind
of a unspoken pitch like please just don't do it
ever again because we'll be screwed. Obviously. Then she kept going.
She's gonna keep going. But I like that he wasn't
such a fool that didn't think, nah, it could definitely
not be her, you know. I like that he's already
like it's probably her, but I still like her, so
I'm gonna give her, like, yeah, a last warning.
Speaker 2: And I thought the scene where Buck later kind of
interrogates him, and it's like, I feel like Buck is
maybe onto BB here, or at least he's like he's
at least, you know, found the breadcrumbs to track it down.
And I thought the acting from Daniel in that moment
is good that, like, I don't know how he exactly feels.
I don't know if he would throw BB under the bus.
I think he probably would, but at least towards Buck,
he I couldn't I couldn't quite tell which way he
would go, whether he would just like stop it and
then like let her go, or if he actually would
take her out. I mean, he's a devious guy, but
he also can be a charismic, charismatic guy at times,
which is what BB was talking about in episode one. Yeah,
whoever was talking to her like why why are you
working with this guy? Karen? I think kind of grows
on you a little bit, right, So, yeah, I I
whatever is going on there that subplot, I think there
could be some juice to be squeezed on that in
the future, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I and maybe I'm wrong. I
kind of lean to that he's actually not gonna throw
at BB, or he would and then find a way
to get her out of it, because.
Speaker 2: I I feel like Buck is gonna go over his head?
Speaker 1: Is the yes?
Speaker 2: Is what I was thinking?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I just don't know if Daniel has like
the killer instinct as Fisk, right, or maybe Fisk the.
Speaker 2: Scene where he's like whatever you say? Am I king
whatever he says to Kingpin like that, yeah, you know,
he was like, all right, answer kid.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because he's he's like, who are you trying
to protect? And he and he said, oh, I'm trying
to protect someone in this building. And he's like, I'm
trying to protect you, mister Fisk. He's good. So that
thing or I just wonder maybe Fisk will go to
kill or do or he'll put the order out to
kill BB for Buck to do it, and Daniel will
hear that, and maybe that will be a tipping point
of like, you know what, I thought I could be
this guy of you know, hurting people, not caring. But
now that I know you're gonna kill this woman, I
you know, I'm just gonna say like right now, but
I think he has more feelings than that. Maybe that'll
be the tipping point of yeah, I can't I can't
do that, and maybe they he'll be part of the
reason that fist goes down or like you said, maybe
I'll just yeah, he will throw BB and they make
Daniel the ultimate like kind of just like crap character
where he's just like slimy and you know, fist number
two eventually. So yeah, we got our weekly away. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna comment on one thing I was
kind of surprised to see is that the the state
oversight storyline of this again, where like this other governor
lady comes in and has like a very stern talking
too with Kingpin and pretty much like we had this
in episode one where the guy was like, oh, do
we need state oversight and he's like yeah, you know,
and then and then Shaggy comes in the room and
he's like, oh, no, you're good. And then but now
this lady comeback is come back again and is kind
of insisting again based on the information with like the
tanker and everything that's going on with Red Hook and whatnot.
So I was kind of surprised to see that because
to me, this feels like something that would maybe happen
at the like a lot of this episode does feel
like it would happen right near the end of the season,
and then we go into like the final moments where
Kingpin gets captured. So whatever it is, I feel like
maybe maybe e Vanessa dies very soon and that's what
really sets him off and goes into this next phase.
But I just feel like at this point Kingpin doesn't
seemingly have actually a lot of resources. I feel like
he's actually lost a lot already. Kind of this this
early on in terms of I don't know, being able
to take over, Like, I just feel the resistance here
seems way more powerful at this point. Obviously they don't
have all the cops and whatnot with them still, but
there is still this state oversight, which feels like a
big deal at any point come in and just kind
of disband the task Force and implement more maybe good
people quote unquote over But yeah, I guess I was
kind of surprised to see the storyline come back. I
thought we'd kind of brush it off in the first episode.
Speaker 1: And I guess maybe that's it. Maybe they're just gonna
build to the reverse for how Matt last season a
little bit now was the floors falling beneath them. Maybe
that's gonna be the reverse where Daredevil and company are
gaining more traction, where Fisc is losing this, losing that
because the government lady she still was like like fake
friendly with him in public right of like oh what
a success as trial was, but it definitely was threatening,
like hey, like you can't just do X, Y and Z.
You know you're and then I love Fis, which's like,
oh if I never ever need help, I'll come to you. No. No, no,
like I'm not here like lending a hand, I'm here
asking like what's going on? You know? So I think
that's where whether it's Vanessa or something's gonna drop, because
it still seemed like with that boat exploding, he seemed
pretty in control there, right, so that seems like, Okay,
Fisk is happy, he's still moving. So it's like they
still need something to because he's just transporting diapers, right
if they really look into it, that's what he's saying.
I'm just getting diapers over here. So he's not done
anything legally bad yet. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: So speaking of which, we did not get Shaggy back
in this NOISO, but it feels like now that Fist
took out all of those workers that were supplied by him, right,
Maybe we'll get him back next episode. Maybe that'll be
part of where Fisk's next power regimen comes from, is
through through that guy. I'm not too sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, because I thought he was already
gonna be in more episodes, like I thought he would
have been one of the two. So now I'm kind
of going back to be Okay, maybe he's gonna be more.
Speaker 2: Small if he doesn't come back and do something big
at this point, because it really always saw is that
he came back and like got the cut government oversight
thing to shoot away. But now it's already back.
Speaker 1: He bought Fisk like a week like yeah, yeah, I
don't know, so yeah, we'll see hopefully next week with
the boatstuff. And because he did hire help him hire
some that crew, I guess right, because he's like, oh,
I can get you some guys that you don't really
care about and everything. So maybe once the boat explodes,
because he what his big thing was to do, I
bet he could come back next week because the big
thing he was all about was about making sure he's
representing people that want to use his port to use
it right to ship stuff. So with the boat exploding,
and now with another piece of government looking to it,
he might be like, hey, my clients still only use
his port. What's going on? Like the boats in the way.
Now you got the governor looking at you like are
you still good? You're good? And you know, of course
I'm fine, you know. So we got our weekly Heather update.
She's still freaking out, and then we had her and
she have a scene and again better not awful scene,
but again with her calling mus a vigilantie. It's like,
I don't think this works. So I'm still waiting for
what the purpose is. I know I've seen some theory
doing because I didn't even read this work. I guess
at some point in the Daredevil comics there is a
female muse. I don't know if we need to go
that far. I've seen right, and she's so I don't know.
But as I did say last week, I would rather
than actually just make her a full villain than the hole. Oh,
she's torn because I have still no investment, So I
guess for her I'll.
Speaker 2: Have because she is losing it in a way that
would make sense for her to turn into evil character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that to be be more fun. I don't
need a Oh, she's torn, she's she's she's already done
on enough bad stuff. You know, I know people can redeem,
but it's like I just don't care. So again I
think with her, I'm really go You have to wait
to see when she either turns, dies, prisons, redemn, shart
whatever it is. I can't judge her story until I
got the full thing. Right now, I just kind of
go all right, Like when the the they say, oh, swordsman,
you're guilty, and then everyone's shocked. They go back on
head and they like zoom in on her like she's
all conflicted. It's like I don't care, Like I just
I just don't right now, you know, like I need
a reason to care. And that's why I'd rather just
go banana crazy sandwich and just put on that mask
and be a killer.
Speaker 2: You know, when she tries to hang uh, well, she
presumes he gonna hang a pictures put a nail on
the wall, and then it cracks like that that felt symbolic.
Speaker 1: I guess that is what I say.
Speaker 2: I I gotta say during that. Then during the trial scene,
which you and overall is is all right, is not
a top tier trial scene from Daredevil, stuff, but it
was good enough. I love though, when when the judges
listing like the three separate offenses that he's being uh
uh pun like whatever tried for whatever, uh that he's
or that he's been found guilty of rather and his
little reaction uh swordsman's reaction each one. I I love it.
So you know, from where this guy started in freaking
hawk eyed, where he is now, I'm really loving this guy.
He's uh, I'm a big fan. So that's that's been
a nice turnaround.
Speaker 1: Fingers crossed. He just makes it out of the season
like he is. He he could also be easy casualty
on the good guy's side. You know, I don't want
him to be, but I hope not. I hope. I
hope he's there. So what else do we go? We
talked about care Oh one thing, What the hell was
that hiding spot of Josies. There's a door and when
we open the door, it's a hole in the wall.
What like like at least put like a massive picture
or put like Matt's a strong guy. We saw him
more of the shore. They put like like a hutch
there or something that m could just like slide like
literally open the door a hole and not even like
a sheet cover and then they move it. Look, it's
it's just a hole. It was the worst hiding. These
are low for the resistance, I guess.
Speaker 2: So that's why they're that's why they're shacking up and
punishers old digs.
Speaker 1: That's true, don't Yeah, And then my last note was yeah.
They get the task Force guy at the end episode two,
and Karen's like, well, what do we gotta do all
le's around, Let's get some information. Who knows this guy
is true or not? Which I think he was true.
I guess right because the whole joke. But he's gonna
go back and maybe be kind of a mole for
them because he's like, oh, I hate this, I want
to be a rebel, Like we're going too far, but
I love when they first started get a terror game,
Matt just points to like you're a liar, and then
he looks he's lying us. He's in full on teargation,
like he's gonna beat this man, like with his hands
to blood pulp. And then I said no, no, please, sorry,
and he looks like he's like, no, he's not lying,
but he continues to do that to egg of mind's like,
are you lying to me? And he like has his
fists up. That like is like that to me is
like the perfect type of humor for this show where
he is using his powers because he actively knows. Yeah,
he's not lying at all, but he's gonna just gauge
him and just mess with him. So that whole scene
like it was some good levity and it didn't feel
like a a bad time equipped You're like, ah, this
choke is like no perfect situational humor. So I loved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, uh, just some quick notes for me. Well,
I guess going back to the doctor Glenn, Heather, do
you do you think there's actually something here where they're
setting up her and Buck or was that just for
that one sequence in the in the ball.
Speaker 1: I think it all depends on what happens to Heather.
If she becomes more bad, then it could be her
in buck Town for a while. I'm gonna say it's
just for one sequence, so Buck could do his whole like, oh,
Buck knows the lay.
Speaker 2: Of the land like that scene. I thought that was good. Yeah,
Buck is always chewing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah pretty well. Like all the Gester, I love what
they called Daniel, like the king who doesn't know he's
gonna king or something like that, like the unwarranted or
unknowing whatever seed or something. I don't know what it was,
but I'm gonna say it's just the one off because
I just can't fully commit that Heather's gonna keep going
down the bad round. But if she is, maybe her
and Bucking be a couple and then it's they're a
megabad guy thing. But it was a I think it
was a good scene.
Speaker 2: So yeah. Another random thing is when the when they
go to the lawyer Sheila, she's at the bar. She's
pissed off because she lost the lost the trial, and
then she gets a drink from someone, so then she
turns around and then gets bumped by Karen and who
gives her the note. Yeah, like was the was the
ploy also them buying the drink for her too, so
that she would turn around to get the note, because
I don't feel like that part was necessary or was
that just a coincidence In terms of the time, I.
Speaker 1: Thought the same thing because that was she gonna turn
around see Matt or something like that, right, and the
that's just a random guy. And then Karen just bother.
Speaker 2: It so like he was clearly either in on the
thing where he actually did buy her the drink, So
I don't know what was going.
Speaker 1: On there if he wasn't in on the thing. Poor
guy buys a girl drink, she looks back, she's looking
like she's down to talk, have a good time. She
just leaves no.
Speaker 2: An unnecessary spill of the drink. And you know, I
guess they maybe they just handed that guy at fiver
just to buy the drink and set the thing up.
But it felt a little cheesy.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take it that they did set out.
But I also I'm gonna take it that Karen. Why
couldn't she just walk by and slam the thing and
then walk away like like or just eat like she
looked like she's starting to drink, like while she's taking
a shot. Just put them from her. It felt it
fell a little clunky, felt a little clunky, you know,
so and especially in this world too, like they I
guess I don't have the funds, but like they can't
get any sort of burner phones. I would hide their
IP address that they could just text her number. Matt
knows the number. I'd assume he worked they owned a
firm together. Just text a no number, come to your
office now, because like that doesn't make any less dangerous.
Random person bumped.
Speaker 2: Into other lawyer guy communicating they because he had a
burner phone, right who no, No, Like the guy in
episode one here where they would always meet under like
some random overpass.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean cherry with the cherry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would be like, oh yeah, but I guess
they had, you know, true he knew burners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, but yeah a little clunky, a little clunky.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, lastly, we already kind of mentioned it.
But seeing that the kid maybe kind of graduating into
the White Tiger, I think it's gonna be fun because
my only knowledge of this character prior to this show
was of course Snap and then Marvel Snap White Tiger
is a is a woman, So I guess this is
maybe the origin story of the character untold Dad whenever
it just dies and then she takes on the mantle,
So uh yeah, I'm curious to see what that what
that goes grows into. I don't know how she slashed
that tire to the knife, but like she got over
to that truck and slashed that tire.
Speaker 1: I guess when they were shooting at them, she snuck
behind them and did the tire.
Speaker 2: It has like insane acrobatics and stelf.
Speaker 1: She was wearing the medallion though, so maybe she's already
got those reflex and stuff going on, right because remember
that thingility though is no. But maybe it's just like
you could like good crawling.
Speaker 2: Ability and slash back and see what she did there,
because that's like I would have been really. I mean again,
these guys are really untrained and really shot their jobs,
but like I kind of wanted to see how she
did that. Maybe was still like full of air, like
I think could have used it.
Speaker 1: But they definitely like Cegi just scratch marks onto a
live tire. It's like and and it was just the
one tires like you could definitely use that. There's another
car that had. Yeah, but it is funny because they
know we're all thinking about like Jones and the Defenders, like,
oh when is if Cage's gonna come back? Colleen? You know, uh,
who else was it? There? Iron fists who got Missy Night?
You know, tons of people. Yeah, Ward, Hey, Tom Pelfrey's
he's a Amman nominated actor. Now he's had a good run,
but it is funny where Okay, I do want some
of those characters back, but at the same time, it's
like we're building our own little mini one with Daredevil, Karen, Swordsman,
White Tiger, like he's got his own mini crew by himself.
Now he didn't even need the Defenders now, you know.
So yeah, we'll see what happens. So anything astim no,
I think that's all there we go, So we are done.
We'll be back next week exciting because they didn't all
hat and heavy, so I think we're gonna be We're
almost at the halfway point of the season. I think
we're gonna be firing all cylinders. I guess next week
we we'll get this boxing match that keep pinting at
rip to that trainer just like.
Speaker 2: You gotta quick and that an episode one because I
feel like I totally missed that.
Speaker 1: If they were, I don't think they were, but they
did two and three, so I thought it was happening
in one of these two episodes, but uh no, not yet.
So we'll see what happens, and hopefully it'll not be
worning