Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 2: that turned me.
Speaker 3: Away the quickest.
Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 1: looked at us. And one of the things I remember
Speaker 1: the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see
Speaker 1: an orb of light.
Speaker 2: It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 2: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 2: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 1: The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As
Speaker 1: soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it
Speaker 1: don't like death.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to tenfoil Teals. I'm your host Brandon Wright.
Speaker 2: On tonight's episode, We're gonna be joined by my guest Mike.
Speaker 2: Mike reached out to me recently about coming onto the
Speaker 2: show to talk a little bit about some of the
Speaker 2: artifacts that they've been finding down in Mexico and South America,
Speaker 2: areas little alien type carvings or whatever they've been digging
Speaker 2: out of the ground. Some of these buried caves and
Speaker 2: everything else. So it's definitely something that really piqued my interest.
Speaker 2: Gives me that old uh Indiana Jones tomb raider type vibe,
Speaker 2: so definitely want to get him on here and talk
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Speaker 2: Mike on. Really looking forward to talking with him. I
Speaker 2: hope you guys enjoy our conversation. So sit back, relax,
Speaker 2: enjoyed the show. Like, take this time to welcome my
Speaker 2: guest to I'm Mike. Thanks for coming on here and
Speaker 2: talking to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 2: bit about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a business owner from Washington State, and you know,
Speaker 1: I've been interested in theology and different history things that
Speaker 1: have happened over the years. It's always been a fascination.
Speaker 1: I watched, you know, the History Channel a lot and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and so that what got me into
Speaker 1: this was a good friend of mine. He collects rocks
Speaker 1: and minerals as well, and so do I. I've collected crystals,
Speaker 1: my wife cuts opals. So we were no stranger to
Speaker 1: the rock and mineral scene and going to the shows.
Speaker 1: And a good friend of mine went down to Tucson,
Speaker 1: jam and he grabbed a couple of pieces that were
Speaker 1: carvings that he wanted to show me. And when he
Speaker 1: got back, he showed him to me and said that
Speaker 1: there was an archaeologist that claimed that he dug these
Speaker 1: out of the ground and that they were ten thousand
Speaker 1: years old, and I laughed really hard at him. I
Speaker 1: didn't believe it at all, and I actually bet him
Speaker 1: money that I could prove it wrong. You know, I
Speaker 1: thought I could call a couple of people and verify
Speaker 1: real easy that these items were you know, modern fakes,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I started on that process, and
Speaker 1: five years later now I've done an extensive amount of
Speaker 1: research on this topic and met with over thirty different families,
Speaker 1: with about five different places in Mexico that they've found
Speaker 1: these pieces and documented these pieces from primarily the two
Speaker 1: places that I've researched and wrote books on our Toula
Speaker 1: Hildalgo and Away those Steelisco and they're about six hours
Speaker 1: apart from each other. And that was really what started me,
Speaker 1: is I didn't know that there was you know, I'd
Speaker 1: never seen anything like this. First of all, I asked
Speaker 1: my buddy when he showed me, He's but who's doing this?
Speaker 1: You know? This is pretty good work, I said, And
Speaker 1: I collected carvings and whatnot for years and never seen
Speaker 1: anything like this, And so yeah, here we are. Now
Speaker 1: I've got three books, and we're prepping to launch our
Speaker 1: first documentary on the topic, and I still passionately research it.
Speaker 1: I know that, you know, just like anything with money,
Speaker 1: like Rolexes or you know, Louis Baton Han bigs, there's
Speaker 1: going to be fakes and there's going to be real ones,
Speaker 1: just like the Naska mummies. You know, they claim that
Speaker 1: they were all faked because there was a fake one.
Speaker 1: But now I just saw here a couple of days
Speaker 1: ago that the United States Congress is actually a part
Speaker 1: of a research group now that is studying these bodies.
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting to see that unfold kind of
Speaker 1: in parallel to this with what we're researching, because the
Speaker 1: beings and the things that we're seeing are very very similar,
Speaker 1: if not the same entity type. I guess, I don't
Speaker 1: want to a non humanoid biological specimen. I guess is
Speaker 1: the proper name for it.
Speaker 2: I know there's a very lucrative market when it comes
Speaker 2: to things like this, and as you kind of mentioned,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of fakes out there, like replicas
Speaker 2: and everything else. Oh yeah, so it's almost buyer beware
Speaker 2: sometimes when you get into things like this, because if
Speaker 2: you don't know what you're looking for. It's you might
Speaker 2: be paying a lot of money for something that someone
Speaker 2: just made and their girl.
Speaker 1: Yep, one hundred percent. I've bought in fakes. I know
Speaker 1: people who have bought in fakes. The great part is
Speaker 1: is owning these pieces and seeing the differences, and over
Speaker 1: the years you start to make comparisons and see similarities
Speaker 1: and styles, and you know, hear these lackluster stories that
Speaker 1: never amount to anything. I, Oh, we found another cave,
Speaker 1: you know, that was always what we were, Oh we
Speaker 1: found a cave, or oh we did this, and never
Speaker 1: have any pictures. I mean these things. If I was
Speaker 1: to pull something like this out of the ground, I
Speaker 1: would have my camera phone out, like, you know, splashing
Speaker 1: as many as I could, because I would be so astonished.
Speaker 1: So the fact that you know a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys didn't have anything to back their claims was really
Speaker 1: a I didn't think it was real, you know. And
Speaker 1: and then I actually made a claim against somebody down
Speaker 1: there and called him a liar because he said that
Speaker 1: he had footage and he refused to show me on
Speaker 1: a piece that was really important because we found that
Speaker 1: there was glass in it, and we didn't really buy
Speaker 1: that they had glass at this point in time if
Speaker 1: it's real, And so I call him out on social media,
Speaker 1: and so he goes and rents a bunch of equipment,
Speaker 1: some gprs, GEO radars and goes to where they'd filmed
Speaker 1: a documentary and they made a documentary on this from
Speaker 1: Gen six Productions. Steve Quail produced it about two years
Speaker 1: ago and it's about four and a half hours long
Speaker 1: of just digging and going over some of the vines
Speaker 1: that they found in these places. But again it's just
Speaker 1: holes in the ground, and it wasn't enough to truly
Speaker 1: make me a believer knowing that someone could go out
Speaker 1: there and probably bury that, you know. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, after I called this guy out, they
Speaker 1: had gotten this equipment, went onto the corn farmer's property,
Speaker 1: which is a piece of property that butts up right
Speaker 1: the back of it to the World Heritage Site of
Speaker 1: Tula Hill Dalgo or Tula b where there's the flat
Speaker 1: topped pyramid they have the Atlantean statues on the top.
Speaker 1: They're quite famous. You've probably seen them, I would imagine,
Speaker 1: but this is literally about fifteen hundred meters that they
Speaker 1: start doing these scans on the ground on this private property,
Speaker 1: and they found some anomalies and started digging and inevitably
Speaker 1: this and this is fully documented on our website. You
Speaker 1: can watch this, you know, them digging in a fourteen
Speaker 1: foot hole and then all of a sudden, this whole
Speaker 1: wall caves in and a hole opens up, and it's
Speaker 1: a cave system that has petroglyphs and things. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is at the sixteen foot dig level. And for me,
Speaker 1: that was really a point where I stepped back and said, whoa,
Speaker 1: there's no way that these guys carved out this bedrock
Speaker 1: and buried this sixteen feet in the ground to pull
Speaker 1: out a few pieces like this, and they pulled out
Speaker 1: like hundreds of pieces. So the cost to bury this
Speaker 1: and to do this project would be I mean fifty
Speaker 1: grand I would guess at least or more. It took
Speaker 1: him six months to unbury this. I mean every day
Speaker 1: they would bring new pictures and videos. You know, on
Speaker 1: my social media as you can follow and see that,
Speaker 1: you know, we've been posting this. There's hundreds of videos
Speaker 1: that over the last five years of the progress of
Speaker 1: these and now they found three cave systems total and
Speaker 1: just full of the same type of symbology and carvings
Speaker 1: that we find on these pieces that we questioned for
Speaker 1: a long.
Speaker 2: Time, do you happen to know offhand, like when you're
Speaker 2: when they find these things or whatever, what like where
Speaker 2: they originated from, like how old they are and like
Speaker 2: what tribes or what people they were from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we we've gotten carbon dates. Scott Waltar he's
Speaker 1: the host of America on Earth. He did a lot
Speaker 1: of the work with Mark Russell, who's an archaeologist. Mark
Speaker 1: Russell was the archaeologist that talked to my friend down
Speaker 1: there in Tucson, and those guys did a back in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen where they carbon dated a bunch of these
Speaker 1: pieces and found dates from from ten to twenty thousand
Speaker 1: years ago. And these were consistently coming up. But it
Speaker 1: was an adhesive that they were testing, which is the
Speaker 1: glue that they used to put the inlays. And you
Speaker 1: know some of the pieces are mosaics, so there's lots
Speaker 1: of little stones put together, and so that was what
Speaker 1: they were testing. Well, Scott Waltord had a pipe that
Speaker 1: had reson in it, and he's like, well, there's got
Speaker 1: to be organic material in that, and so he sent
Speaker 1: it off to the lab and waits around for like
Speaker 1: six months. Finally he contacts the owner of the lab, saying,
Speaker 1: what's up with my test? I called on this and
Speaker 1: called on this, and a few days later the guy
Speaker 1: calls him back and says, I got your results for you.
Speaker 1: Don't ever send anything like this to my lab ever again.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Scott never got renewed for America on Earth,
Speaker 1: likely because of this show that he produced with Mark
Speaker 1: on this and this topic seems to definitely be covered
Speaker 1: up the years, you know, ten to twenty thousand kind
Speaker 1: of correlates with the younger, dry ass second little ice
Speaker 1: age thing that we went through and can see a
Speaker 1: lot of die offs in species, which is an interesting concept.
Speaker 1: And you know, relation to this and what it's showing
Speaker 1: makes you wonder. You know, as far as the tribes,
Speaker 1: you know, Olmec and Mayan go back five thousand years,
Speaker 1: but I guess that's being pushed now. In Peru there's
Speaker 1: a pyramid complex where they found some leather. I believe
Speaker 1: that was dating around eight thousand years ago. But as
Speaker 1: far as any tribes, this is five thousand years before
Speaker 1: the documented Mayan and much older than the Olmec and
Speaker 1: as far as you know, if you go to like
Speaker 1: go Beckley Tepee or Karen Teppe and Turkey, you'll find
Speaker 1: dates that are consistent with this thirteen thousand years And
Speaker 1: it looks like they had a fairly advanced stone working
Speaker 1: civilization because of the pillars and the way the carvings
Speaker 1: are erected there, which only plays into a logic that
Speaker 1: this could be a reality as well. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Now, how did you come about like with this, Like
Speaker 2: how did you get involved into it? I know you
Speaker 2: kind of mentioned you've been interested in it, but like
Speaker 2: how did you actually like fall into this whole type
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, like I said, I wanted to
Speaker 1: prove my buddy wrong because I just thought he was,
Speaker 1: I mean, chasing a fairy tale here. You know, I said,
Speaker 1: if this was on, if this was real, this would
Speaker 1: be all over the news. This is the biggest finding
Speaker 1: sense sliced bread. You know, this would have to be
Speaker 1: on the news, and and I just didn't believe it.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, when I worked with Linda Wollnow,
Speaker 1: when I started working with Scott and talking to some
Speaker 1: of these people's and then they started doing the documentary,
Speaker 1: that's What really sunk me in is just chasing this truth.
Speaker 1: I guess it started out with disbelief and now I
Speaker 1: just gosh, I'm almost sold on it, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's parts of it. I'm I would I would
Speaker 1: definitely bet that there's a truth to the story and
Speaker 1: that you know, if they are mass producing these pieces
Speaker 1: in some ways, it's definitely replicating something that's real. And
Speaker 1: that's that. The petroglyphs are proof of that in my point,
Speaker 1: you know, or or the old resin and the bones
Speaker 1: and stuff like that that have been carbondated as well.
Speaker 1: We found daggers and certain bones that have been fastened
Speaker 1: to obsidian for like blades and knives, and those bones
Speaker 1: have been tested in the same age ranges as the
Speaker 1: other pieces. We also have pieces that we've tested for
Speaker 1: age that have the adhesive and that also have ceramic cores.
Speaker 1: They fastened the mosaic tiles to the ceramics and so like.
Speaker 1: Pieces like that are giving us two dates, and some
Speaker 1: of those are within one hundred years of each other.
Speaker 2: It's strange a lot of just from some of the
Speaker 2: things I've looked at and which you had sent me
Speaker 2: or whatever, and I was watching that, like, it's very interesting,
Speaker 2: and I've been a big fan of Ancient Aliens ever
Speaker 2: since that show started, what fifteen something years ago at
Speaker 2: this point, and it's always got me interested in the
Speaker 2: whole aspect to it. But at the same time, it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how if we were to believe the
Speaker 2: ancient civilization made the pyramids, or they made some of
Speaker 2: these things like the baby, the BiblioTech he or whatever
Speaker 2: it is, where the some of the things are so
Speaker 2: precisely cut that we couldn't even do it with like
Speaker 2: modern saws. How do you wrap your brain around something
Speaker 2: like that in the aspect of if they did this
Speaker 2: hundreds to thousands of years ago and we can't even
Speaker 2: do it with the technology that we have today, Like
Speaker 2: how do you explain that? And they're like, oh, it
Speaker 2: just took them a long time, and like science explains it,
Speaker 2: but it makes it even more confusing. It sounds more
Speaker 2: unbelievable in that sense.
Speaker 1: So it's like, but especially the Pyramids and the foundation
Speaker 1: work that's underneath of them, that's like just it's mind boggling,
Speaker 1: really how much weight that that foundation supports during earthquakes,
Speaker 1: And somehow it's still there.
Speaker 2: You know, they wouldn't have never understood earthquakes, you wouldn't think,
Speaker 2: and how to calculate for all that, plus how to
Speaker 2: hold up all the way because each one of those
Speaker 2: megalithic blocks is tons upon tons like, so there's so
Speaker 2: much weight, not to mention the way it was designed
Speaker 2: for all the chambers and everything else through there. How
Speaker 2: did I'm not saying it's not possible that humans did it,
Speaker 2: but it's like that was some very high tech engineering
Speaker 2: they had going on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, if you look at the story of the
Speaker 1: Ananaki in the qnaiform tablets at the British Museum or
Speaker 1: in some of like Zacharaia's Sitchen's work, which I mean
Speaker 1: it's kind of maybe fairy taled in some aspects because
Speaker 1: of assumptions, but at least based off the right concepts. Mean,
Speaker 1: some of it's spot on with what you read in
Speaker 1: the British Museum, But nonetheless that story and those those
Speaker 1: Anonachi beings translate into this stuff. In Mexico heavily we
Speaker 1: find the same symbology, the same beings as well as
Speaker 1: the same beings. In Egypt we found you know, Thoth
Speaker 1: and Osiris, Orus decment. We found raw tons of these depictions,
Speaker 1: the all seeing eyes everywhere on these things, and and
Speaker 1: so it's really interesting to see the correlation between Egypt
Speaker 1: and and you know Sumeria or or Mexico like that.
Speaker 1: How these all could be connected is bizarre, other than
Speaker 1: we have the pyramids in these locations as well, not
Speaker 1: so much in the Sumerian area, but they had the ziggorots,
Speaker 1: and you know in the in the tablets and stuff,
Speaker 1: it talks about those and being like some sort of
Speaker 1: u you know, possibly portals or space ports. And so
Speaker 1: that type of logic in terms of an advanced civilization
Speaker 1: at that time does exist in our ancient text, even
Speaker 1: the Bible. If you look at the Old Testament, it's
Speaker 1: not detailed very heavily, but there's definitely a tale of
Speaker 1: some sort of uprising that was extinguished based on the
Speaker 1: flood stories, and that translates to Gilgamesh as well in
Speaker 1: the epic there.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's always a flood story throughout different civilizations.
Speaker 2: There's always talk of a different type of scenario. And
Speaker 2: to look at it not from a religious aspect, from
Speaker 2: like more of a scientific aspect. If you think that
Speaker 2: the world the ice age or whatever was ending, and
Speaker 2: the waters were melted, like the polar caps or whatever.
Speaker 2: They were melting, so the waters were rising. I wonder
Speaker 2: if some of those flood stories were not from something
Speaker 2: to do with that, like, yeah, the water's coming up
Speaker 2: from that, because it would have to have been a
Speaker 2: global blood. Yes, that's the only thing I could think about,
Speaker 2: is like.
Speaker 1: Or commet fragments. You know, there's the story and and
Speaker 1: these these pieces from a whaloes depict a solar system,
Speaker 1: and and there's an extra planet in there being hit often.
Speaker 1: I mean, it depicts Jupiter with the lines, it depicts
Speaker 1: Saturn with the rings, and and all the correct numbers
Speaker 1: from each other and in order. And and what's interesting
Speaker 1: is that they show this planet well in the in
Speaker 1: the Ananachi tablets there it talks about this planet Tiamat,
Speaker 1: which was was destroyed by Mardoc and uh he was
Speaker 1: the son of Anche. So it's really an interesting thing
Speaker 1: to see that possibly this planet could have been destroyed
Speaker 1: and that could be why we have our moon and
Speaker 1: some of the irrationally placed things like like Mars, for instance,
Speaker 1: has this massive scar on the surface. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: evidence in itself that this planet came into contact with
Speaker 1: something pretty significant at some point, and uh and the
Speaker 1: atmosphere is very bizarre and how things happened there, so
Speaker 1: that that could very well be a reaction of that too.
Speaker 1: Same with Venus and the you know, completely gassed out
Speaker 1: atmosphere and something obviously happened and uh so that that
Speaker 1: could could could be what caused this, and and it
Speaker 1: would correlate with the anonachy texts, and these pieces definitely
Speaker 1: correlate with those as well.
Speaker 2: I think, like for me, when it comes to the
Speaker 2: story of the Anonochy and everything else, to me, it
Speaker 2: sounds more plausible than basic evolution. And I know that
Speaker 2: might it might make it might make some people roll
Speaker 2: their eyes or anything like that. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: it's like, if you look at us in the grand
Speaker 2: scheme of evolution, we've only been here a microscopic amount
Speaker 2: of time, and look how much we've evolved in such
Speaker 2: a small amount of time compared to everything else. It's
Speaker 2: almost as if we were manufactured.
Speaker 1: To be this way, and we inherit this earth. Yes,
Speaker 1: like we're the apex somehow, but we have been forever,
Speaker 1: Like there's been lots of dinosaurs and all these other
Speaker 1: species that we see in the fossil record. Same with
Speaker 1: other you know, like the different species of Homo Homo
Speaker 1: erectus and and the Neanderthals and all these different things
Speaker 1: that have evolved. What's interesting with the pieces that we're
Speaker 1: finding is we see the DNA strand pretty commonly. There's
Speaker 1: actually a symbol in Egypt that's the the you know,
Speaker 1: same looking strand at DNA almost and we see them
Speaker 1: with with weird like surgery type scenes Anubis and thought
Speaker 1: standing over these these beds with with alien looking beings,
Speaker 1: sometimes with different animals, and like it's almost as if
Speaker 1: they were manufacturing, like you said, or doing this to
Speaker 1: to do this genetic manipulation, and we're kind of the
Speaker 1: product and result. Like like if you were to have
Speaker 1: a farm and you were to plant a bunch of
Speaker 1: seeds and you found the one fruit that was the
Speaker 1: juiciest and the sweetest, so you take her and you
Speaker 1: take her seeds and get rid of all the other
Speaker 1: ones and give her the land. Well, that might be
Speaker 1: why we inherit the earth.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I know some people think, by the way,
Speaker 2: we are just one of these I want to say,
Speaker 2: seed factories or whatever, like they think that we've been
Speaker 2: engineered for this planet. They think these other beings go
Speaker 2: to other planets too, to the same thing. Like we're
Speaker 2: just all part of this mass. I don't know what
Speaker 2: they the proper term would be, but like they just
Speaker 2: they're going around like manufacturing different civilizations based off from
Speaker 2: their own selfs. Yeah, we just have to be the
Speaker 2: one here for Earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and and and this this, this whole thing
Speaker 1: I think comes up in the Ananochy town. That's where
Speaker 1: they manufactured the Adamu they called it. And it took
Speaker 1: the Gallop seven hundred and fifty years to get the
Speaker 1: genetics stabilized. And so it's interesting to see that, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that was in you know, some of these religious
Speaker 1: texts that says, you know that there was an uprising
Speaker 1: of things that weren't good and then you know, we
Speaker 1: came along and that was like the divine intervention of
Speaker 1: saving us maybe from ourselves, and so that might be
Speaker 1: you know, we maybe you were created as slave species,
Speaker 1: like it says in the Anonochy tablets, but there may
Speaker 1: have actually been some sort of divine intervention that gave
Speaker 1: us freedom in terms of at least not being stuck
Speaker 1: in the minds all the time, like there's some governing.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting with that is how the king's list works.
Speaker 1: In Sumeria. You have this two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: year old kings list with all these kings that reigned
Speaker 1: over for all these years, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's stops. Well why did it stop? Maybe that was
Speaker 1: the divine intervention. I mean, some people think it's Jesus
Speaker 1: or whoever you believe in. I'm not going to try
Speaker 1: to get religious here, but nonetheless, this this intervention of change,
Speaker 1: it seems to have occurred. And two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand years ago is when we see the Y chromosome mutate,
Speaker 1: and that mutation has been ran in terms of the
Speaker 1: odds of it happening again. And this is the one
Speaker 1: that gave us all of our intelligence and changed the
Speaker 1: size of our All these things happened in relation to this,
Speaker 1: to this Y chromosome mutation, and so the chances of
Speaker 1: it happening again were like triple impossible odds, you know,
Speaker 1: five to the five hundred or whatever it is. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the number is, but it was a
Speaker 1: ridiculous number. So it's you know, when you see the
Speaker 1: genetic manipulation on these pieces, it would make, like you say,
Speaker 1: a lot of sense that that story is rather than
Speaker 1: random evolution of these crazy odd things.
Speaker 2: You know, it just to me scientifically like evolution to
Speaker 2: explain us just doesn't seem. I feel like we've evolved
Speaker 2: way too fast compared to everything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, our DNA is is changing and rapidly
Speaker 1: migrating faster than any other species on the planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just like our intelligence from being able to
Speaker 2: we're literally having a conversation across the country here, thousands
Speaker 2: of miles apart, and we've just evolved that technology within
Speaker 2: the last say one hundred years, We've been able to
Speaker 2: do stuff like this. Just think from like we are
Speaker 2: able to travel through into space. Now we can go
Speaker 2: to the moon, where we can like all these other
Speaker 2: things that we supposedly can do. It's just crazy to
Speaker 2: think because if you look at every other type of
Speaker 2: species on this planet, they're nothing like us.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the DNA is super similar in many cases,
Speaker 1: even the pig and the rat or very close to
Speaker 1: our DNA, more so than even I believe even a
Speaker 1: lot of monkeys, which is kind of crazy. You know,
Speaker 1: you think we look mostly like these guys. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: our DNA be as close to the chimps as it
Speaker 1: is to these others. And that's it's interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: at the minimum, we definitely don't understand half of it.
Speaker 2: That's why we use fetal pigs in school when we
Speaker 2: had to do like dissections or whatever, because they were
Speaker 2: so close with humans.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So I've always thought that was funny too, that everyone
Speaker 2: says we've evolved from primates in the Great Apes or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the pig is very similar to us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. What's interesting too with these pieces that
Speaker 1: we're seeing is you know, you've got all these UFOs
Speaker 1: and they do cattle mutilations and abduction, and this is
Speaker 1: the common story across the map for for a long time.
Speaker 1: I mean for decades, if not hundreds of years. I
Speaker 1: can't I'm not sure exactly how far back it goes,
Speaker 1: but I know into the seventies, gosh, you know. So,
Speaker 1: so you see on these pieces a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff that you would see in the Sumerio and Egypt
Speaker 1: where they worshiped the cow and the cow with the
Speaker 1: special head piece on and you know that that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. But we also see some of the pieces
Speaker 1: where they're there, there's like literally like tractor beams coming
Speaker 1: down from the ships to cows, and so we wonder
Speaker 1: if this this race or this being maybe closely related
Speaker 1: to the cow kind of like we're closely related to
Speaker 1: the pig in terms of are they harvesting the genetics
Speaker 1: or something of that nature. But it seems as if
Speaker 1: they had knowledge of this when they made these pieces,
Speaker 1: which is blows my mind.
Speaker 2: Now, something like that to me, were cows native to
Speaker 2: the area or are they something that were like brought over,
Speaker 2: because that would be something that you'd have to really
Speaker 2: think about, because if the cows weren't native to here,
Speaker 2: how are they making carvings of a cow?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, and I would imagine, Yeah, it's a good point,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty positive that they are. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know the ox is native to Mexico for sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can I can put that as a proof. And
Speaker 1: that's very very similar to a cow at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'd have to look that up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm not familiar with it or I brought
Speaker 2: out like I don't remember if horses were native to
Speaker 2: like North America, if they were only brought over here that.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they
Speaker 1: were brought over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you out west you have wild horses and everything,
Speaker 2: like the styles out running around. But they were never
Speaker 2: I think they were just brought over here with loose
Speaker 2: Yeah they were. They got loose and they bred and
Speaker 2: they went off on their own. I know we had
Speaker 2: bison whist Oh. Yeah, they've almost become extinct because of
Speaker 2: over hunting and everything else in the early nineteen hundred,
Speaker 2: eighteen hundred and nineteen hundreds. But you know, that was
Speaker 2: just something I was thinking about when you mentioned that.
Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder if there was already cattle
Speaker 2: here prior to that, because otherwise it would be U. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it'd be one of those things where I'd kind of
Speaker 2: be hesitant about.
Speaker 1: I've done this with every gemstone that we found, I've
Speaker 1: made sure and I've got a gemologist that I work with,
Speaker 1: and so we go through all these gems and microscope
Speaker 1: and try to dissect where they came from, and you know,
Speaker 1: the minds that possibly produced it, and with the bandings
Speaker 1: and the different saturations and you know, all these different
Speaker 1: things you can you can kind of do that as
Speaker 1: a detour, and we haven't found anything out of consistence
Speaker 1: outside of you know, stuff from South America like the
Speaker 1: Guatemala and stuff from you jade and things. So there's
Speaker 1: definitely trade routes between. But we also see the pyramids
Speaker 1: all the way through South America, so it's likely that
Speaker 1: they had different settlements or things if they were the
Speaker 1: pyramid builders.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing I've always liked to talk about
Speaker 2: is it's strange that you have thousands of miles separating
Speaker 2: oceans separating, yet there was pyramids in Egypt, There's pyramids
Speaker 2: in South America. I think there's pyramids in China. Yeah,
Speaker 2: these ancient civilizations were all building pyramids. How do they
Speaker 2: learn and why were they like if they're spread out
Speaker 2: there there's no communication and no knowledge or whatever, it's
Speaker 2: weird that they all evolved to build the same type
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, communication is a really big one. I think that
Speaker 1: you know, we have wireless communication and all this wireless things.
Speaker 1: There's pieces that we found that showed depictions of pyramids
Speaker 1: with beams coming out the point at the top. We
Speaker 1: found numerous pyramids with intricate carvings of you know, all
Speaker 1: kinds of different things, similar to the ben Bend stones
Speaker 1: found in Egypt with the same you know, double winged
Speaker 1: or the double Yeah, I think it's the double winged
Speaker 1: with the sun disk and whatnot. So it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: and the other thing too, that that you mentioned, you
Speaker 1: know how there's this this separation that was actually one
Speaker 1: of the things, the fact that those pyramids kind of
Speaker 1: align similarly to Orion's belt that you see there, you know,
Speaker 1: in the Pyramid of the Sun in Mexico and then
Speaker 1: the Great Pyramid there in Egypt or the complex there.
Speaker 1: But those three pyramids sit in that same type of formation,
Speaker 1: which I mean could be an accident. You know, some people,
Speaker 1: like I think I heard Flint Dribble will say that
Speaker 1: it was because that you know, those were the brightest
Speaker 1: stars in the sky at the time or something of
Speaker 1: that nature. But but but still to it to align
Speaker 1: your your large pyramids to that, especially if they are
Speaker 1: claiming that they're tombs for what, you know, that's that's
Speaker 1: an extensive amount of survey and work that had to
Speaker 1: go in to construct that like that, let alone in
Speaker 1: the middle of the desert or the jungle. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: no one would want to tackle that project today.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that that's the one thing I've always
Speaker 2: growing up as a kid, I always wanted to be
Speaker 2: We mentioned her like Indiana generally want to be an archaeologist.
Speaker 2: I want to go out there and find all these
Speaker 2: things and do all these crazy things. But like, barely
Speaker 2: my exploration is out here on a computer at the moment.
Speaker 2: So I don't get that I don't get to live.
Speaker 1: Out the archaeologist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get to live out that adventure. But
Speaker 2: I've always been fascinated by it. So it's when you
Speaker 2: reached out to them, I was like, yeah, I definitely
Speaker 2: want to talk about stuff like this because this has
Speaker 2: always been one of my fascinations, even as a kid.
Speaker 2: Is like, I've just always been fascinated with the type
Speaker 2: of this type of stuff.
Speaker 1: Same no, very much so, and especially with Egypt. You know.
Speaker 1: We'd go to the bookstores when I was four and
Speaker 1: five years old and my mom would say, oh, what
Speaker 1: kind of book should take me? Over to the kids section,
Speaker 1: and I would ask for Egypt books, like I want
Speaker 1: to see the symbols, I want to see the artifacts.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to see when I was a
Speaker 1: little kid. I was so fascinated by it. So to
Speaker 1: be in this position now completely left field. I mean,
Speaker 1: my businesses have nothing to do with this at all.
Speaker 1: My family and friends, I thank them dearly for sticking
Speaker 1: with me because this is such a left turn. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of a blessing too because people
Speaker 1: know me, and I've you know, established what people understand,
Speaker 1: so when I come to them with something like this,
Speaker 1: it's definitely not what they would expect from me, you know, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it's I've always been the word person
Speaker 2: in my families and friends or whatever, so that what
Speaker 2: I do now is not really outside the realm of
Speaker 2: abnormal for me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just never bought into it. I guess
Speaker 1: I just never bought into aliens and that type of thing.
Speaker 1: So for me to to, you know, chase this like this,
Speaker 1: it definitely was out of the norm. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm used to it. You know, you got to have
Speaker 1: thick skin if you want to do something different, and
Speaker 1: that's something with music, and you know, I'm a musician
Speaker 1: to play the synthesizer, Yeah, so I realized quickly with
Speaker 1: the synthesizer. That this was not a you know, very
Speaker 1: at the time, it wasn't a very popular instrument, and
Speaker 1: now now it's actually, you know, it is really popular.
Speaker 1: But at the time, so it's just it's you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to chase your dreams and go with what
Speaker 1: you feel. And I think a lot of people maybe
Speaker 1: don't do that because they're afraid of that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you said you've written a couple of books.
Speaker 2: Would you like to talk a little bit about them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. So we've documented two different places, primarily, which
Speaker 1: is Tula Hildalgo and a Wailos Dlisco, And so I
Speaker 1: wrote a book for each place. You know, it categorizes
Speaker 1: their their full size eight and a half by eleven
Speaker 1: halfbacks full of pictures. I'm a professional photographer and so
Speaker 1: I did all the photography work of these, you know,
Speaker 1: macro shots sixty megapixel, the best quality I could possibly
Speaker 1: give with the best glass. And I really wanted to
Speaker 1: show these pieces for what they were, and so we've
Speaker 1: cataloged and wrote up quite a bit of information. We've
Speaker 1: published our carbon dates in some of the books, as
Speaker 1: well as the petroglyphs and the digs and all of
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And so yeah, the first two
Speaker 1: books there are a Weilos and Tula, and then I
Speaker 1: wrote a third book called Anonaki The Alien Atlantis meso
Speaker 1: American Connection. And it wasn't at first when we've seen
Speaker 1: some Egyptian themed pieces, but we really didn't know what
Speaker 1: to make of it. And then we started to see
Speaker 1: a lot of the Anonachi stuff coming out of Tula
Speaker 1: and things that even resembled like Greek mythology Poseidon and
Speaker 1: Zeus type of thing, I mean, very very interesting things
Speaker 1: to be seeing expressed in a much different way than
Speaker 1: what we see the Greeks or the Romans to express it,
Speaker 1: but still the same same story with with the same
Speaker 1: type of logic. And so I really wanted to paint
Speaker 1: that connection because as you go all over the world
Speaker 1: here you find this this type of connection, and and
Speaker 1: you find it, you know, in in Hawaii with the
Speaker 1: tiki or the dogon people in Africa, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's it's really an interesting thing to see that that
Speaker 1: this may have been a global spanning species or or
Speaker 1: or you know, a group of entities whatever they are.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's even a physical entity at
Speaker 1: this point. Or if they're light beings. It's it's hard
Speaker 1: to say because the pieces. Sometimes it's shows them with legs,
Speaker 1: sometimes it shows them with like angel wings. Other times
Speaker 1: it shows them with no body. They have like a
Speaker 1: serpent like they're like they're a snake or a serpent
Speaker 1: or an eel in the water. And then and then
Speaker 1: a lot of aquatic depictions as well, with gills and
Speaker 1: like I said, the tridents and stuff that you would
Speaker 1: see for Poseidon or talks of atlantis. So I definitely
Speaker 1: find these connections very very heavily in this area, and.
Speaker 2: It might be right, Yeah, I've wondered. Even like with
Speaker 2: ancient Egypt, they had a lot of different depictions of
Speaker 2: animal headed humanoids. You had your nobuses, you had uh
Speaker 2: I forget what the one with the bird looking head
Speaker 2: was called the Yeah, And when you go back into
Speaker 2: like the Samerian stuff, a lot of their depictions, I
Speaker 2: don't know if they had like the animal heads, but
Speaker 2: they had a lot of like the really tall bearded
Speaker 2: winged depictions too.
Speaker 1: They did have the mixtures and the talk of it,
Speaker 1: a lot too, of scorpions with human heads and all
Speaker 1: kinds of different things like ishtar had sticks or something
Speaker 1: scorpions that guarded her gate and they had the heads
Speaker 1: of man, and they had the cow with the wings
Speaker 1: and the man head. Yeah, so it's common. But you
Speaker 1: also see that in Native America as well, with like
Speaker 1: the Lakota tribe and different tribes. You hear about the
Speaker 1: eagle headed man or the eagle headed man that walked
Speaker 1: around and then and then you hear about the feathered
Speaker 1: serpent and ctsa quattle in Mexico and down in South
Speaker 1: America and a feathered serpent. Well, you got to really
Speaker 1: ask yourself what that means. And when we see these pieces,
Speaker 1: as I was just explaining, some of them have angel
Speaker 1: looking wings and a serpent tail and so well fether's servants,
Speaker 1: you know, could this be related to that as well?
Speaker 1: And we see a lot of depictions of cats quads
Speaker 1: on these pieces as well, so we think it's definitely
Speaker 1: a same.
Speaker 2: I've storied, I've seen stuff about that linking it to
Speaker 2: being a dragon. Yeah. I'm not sure if dragons were
Speaker 2: a real thing or not. I'm not even sure that
Speaker 2: a lot of things I talk about on the sure
Speaker 2: real or not.
Speaker 1: But I'll give you one to chew one on that.
Speaker 1: So oh, yeah, sorry, No, you're fine.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, like, but that's always something that's
Speaker 2: always been interesting, Like I'd like to think there were dragons,
Speaker 2: would be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they very well could be. To start off, to
Speaker 1: say that they found a corpse or a fossilized remains
Speaker 1: of an entire dragon over in China, and this is
Speaker 1: the last year, I believe if you Google you'll find it.
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely breathtaking to see. I didn't hear it
Speaker 1: on the news, but it's it's a verified, verified dig.
Speaker 1: So that being said, if you look at the Catechists,
Speaker 1: the symbol there for alchemy and pharmacy that's everywhere. It's
Speaker 1: got the staff with the two serpents going up and
Speaker 1: the two wings at the top. Well that that symbol
Speaker 1: might very well be the two sons of God and
Speaker 1: Genesis he talks about and they talk about the sons
Speaker 1: of God coming and having their way with the woman
Speaker 1: of man, and so we we we believe that there's
Speaker 1: a possibility that those sons of God are actually the
Speaker 1: sons of the primordial dragon. And if you go into
Speaker 1: the story of Michael and Satan, you know Michael pushes
Speaker 1: the red dragon satan from heaven with God's permission. Well,
Speaker 1: in the Anonachi beliefs, the primordial dragon is the creator
Speaker 1: of all, and so you hear primordial dragon there, and
Speaker 1: then you go to like the Hebrew language and look
Speaker 1: up with the with the Adam codman, and that's the
Speaker 1: primordial man. And so it's interesting they call it Jesus
Speaker 1: the a i'm cod moan because he's the primordial man.
Speaker 1: So is it because he was the you know, son
Speaker 1: of a primordial dragon and it embed his soul into
Speaker 1: a man and then died and then that now that's
Speaker 1: a fixed genetic together when he ascended, and that's what
Speaker 1: the atom cod moon is or what they refer to
Speaker 1: as the Adom cod moan. And so it's really interesting
Speaker 1: to see that trickle down through and how much influence
Speaker 1: like Moses, how the serpents fight, you know over him,
Speaker 1: and same with the Garden of Eden and the fact
Speaker 1: they call it a garden going back to my earlier
Speaker 1: metaphor there with with you know, finding the good seeds.
Speaker 1: But the fact they call it a garden is very
Speaker 1: interesting too that they would use that to call it
Speaker 1: for humans.
Speaker 2: You know, I think I've mentioned it on episode just
Speaker 2: the one before this one. I've mentioned it a few
Speaker 2: other times, but if you listen or read into the Bible,
Speaker 2: God punished the serpent by taking away making him crawl
Speaker 2: on his belly or whatever. So if you listen to that,
Speaker 2: it almost makes it sound as if they were able
Speaker 2: to walk, and if they were of this I almost
Speaker 2: go back to the whole alien concept again because it's
Speaker 2: like almost sounds like a reptilian. The depiction almost sounds
Speaker 2: like a reptilian influencing Eve to eat the apple and
Speaker 2: everything else. But there's also other things in there, like
Speaker 2: Eve is not necessarily Adam's first wife, like there was Lolith,
Speaker 2: and like here's the you start going down that rabbit
Speaker 2: hole when it comes to like the Bible, there's so
Speaker 2: much things that you can pick apart to where he
Speaker 2: can relate to other aspects, to other things.
Speaker 1: But it's endless. Yeah, And that's the beauty of stories
Speaker 1: and the imagination too, and thinking about things like you know,
Speaker 1: I often wonder if we just know the truth, like
Speaker 1: if man was given the truth at his inception, what
Speaker 1: that would have done? And would we even care? And
Speaker 1: would we take for granted all of this truth? And
Speaker 1: I guarantee our conversation wouldn't be happening right now, and
Speaker 1: we wouldn't enjoy watching ancient aliens. And you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So this great mystery they talk about it
Speaker 1: in the Pistols Sophia as well as like the Lakota
Speaker 1: tribe they have this thing called the Great Mystery. And
Speaker 1: what's interesting with the Lakota is they have the white
Speaker 1: buffalo calf woman. And this is also something that spans
Speaker 1: to the Mayan as well, and this could very well
Speaker 1: be the isis you know figure or divine womb that
Speaker 1: speaks of in many ancient texts that gave birth to
Speaker 1: all these species on this planet. And you got to
Speaker 1: ask yourself, like we have three trillion or some crazy
Speaker 1: number of species, including the plants and insects, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Why don't we see any new ones being born? That
Speaker 1: was always something that I'd ask my sign, like where's
Speaker 1: the new species at? Like is there a place to
Speaker 1: see that happen? And it never happens. No one's ever
Speaker 1: witnessed it. And that's kind of bizarre when we have
Speaker 1: so many How does that work? You know? And the
Speaker 1: logic is is in the Pistas Sofia. It says that
Speaker 1: they took the sofia away and that's how they stopped
Speaker 1: the fallen from succeeding as they did in the beginning.
Speaker 1: So likely the fallen abused this womb or this genetic manipulation,
Speaker 1: and then once the divine womb was taken away, they
Speaker 1: couldn't create any new species on this planet. And that's
Speaker 1: likely why we're in this stale made of species that
Speaker 1: we're in. Or I shouldn't say likely, but if the
Speaker 1: stories are true, then that would be I guess likely.
Speaker 2: I've never thought about the fact that there's not new
Speaker 2: species because you always hear about them discovering species.
Speaker 1: But there's fossil records of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't ever think about the fact that they're
Speaker 2: not new. They're new to us, but they're not a
Speaker 2: brand new species, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It just weird odds to not have new you know,
Speaker 1: with that many especially in the plant world and stuff.
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is we have all these geneticists that
Speaker 1: do you know, genetic I guess you could call it
Speaker 1: genetic manipulation with crisper, with plant grafting and genetic spicing
Speaker 1: and all this different stuff that we do. But you
Speaker 1: don't ever create a new species.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. Yeah, I know that they've It
Speaker 2: was back in the nineties they cloned a sheep, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if they've been closing out. They've never
Speaker 2: publicly talked about cloning anything else, but I've wondered if
Speaker 2: they've never tried to clone something else that's already been extinct.
Speaker 2: I know there's talk about like what the mammoth or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, people are heavily invested. I know people who
Speaker 1: have invested in this project that's supposed to do that
Speaker 1: by I think it's twenty twenty seven or something like that.
Speaker 2: So I watched something before about it, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like if they're talking about it publicly, they've
Speaker 2: probably already done it behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: But if they're doing stuff like that, to me, it's
Speaker 2: almost like playing God. So at some point, if without
Speaker 2: going down that whole religious rabbit hole, but if back
Speaker 2: in the old biblical times of God punished them for
Speaker 2: some of the things they were doing, then I'm waiting
Speaker 2: for the punishment to come back, if that was all true,
Speaker 2: because I feel like what the world does nowadays seems
Speaker 2: to be a little bit worse than what they're doing
Speaker 2: back in the old days.
Speaker 1: Punishment's a really interesting thing in the Bible. And I
Speaker 1: take this very seriously because I researched these people called
Speaker 1: the Cathar and they were very, very Christian toting people
Speaker 1: that believed in Jesus and the Saving and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yet in the I think it was like the eleven
Speaker 1: of the Thirteen hundreds, they were completely eradicated, man, woman
Speaker 1: and child. No no one was spared. They were all
Speaker 1: burned at the stake for being heretics because they believed
Speaker 1: that there was two gods in the Bible, not just one,
Speaker 1: but the God of the Old Testament was evil and
Speaker 1: the God in the New Testament was actually the real God.
Speaker 1: And so the God in the Old Testament was actually
Speaker 1: Satan after the fall, and he was pushed and fell
Speaker 1: into his own universe. So he wanted to dethrone God
Speaker 1: and take over, but he wasn't there. So God gave
Speaker 1: him essentially his own universe by allowing that push to occur.
Speaker 1: And so that's why you know it's a fallen universe
Speaker 1: or a fallen you know, all these things, and why
Speaker 1: in the beginning, he says, well, let there be light.
Speaker 1: That was him asking for the light to come into
Speaker 1: this dark universe that he had fell into, but was
Speaker 1: actually the devil speaking and he claimed to be God.
Speaker 1: That's why Zeus is the god of God's likely and
Speaker 1: he fell from the sky. He probably was Satan. Is
Speaker 1: what we're thinking is a possibility based on you know,
Speaker 1: all these stories and the consistencies of you know, the
Speaker 1: Ankee and little Ego versus the serpent tobaccle that all
Speaker 1: these cultures have been in and you see all these
Speaker 1: serpent temples and flags that have the ego on there,
Speaker 1: and there's there's deep roots to that, you know.
Speaker 2: If you notice in the Old Testament compared to the
Speaker 2: New Testament. I've mentioned this before too, God was very
Speaker 2: like ruthless in the Old Testament, like he was a
Speaker 2: very different He was not a loving god. He was
Speaker 2: a very much I'll wipe y'all out type of God,
Speaker 2: like don't screw around. And then in the New Testament, Oh,
Speaker 2: he gives you his son and like he's now one
Speaker 2: lovey and everything else, Like there's a complete like one
Speaker 2: eighty from the very vengeful God, the jealous God to
Speaker 2: be honest of the Old Testament to the New Testament.
Speaker 2: So it is almost like they're completely different.
Speaker 1: That's why I think the cath our people might actually
Speaker 1: be right. The cap are people believed in the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch and a lot of ENOCHI and teachings, and
Speaker 1: that Book of Enoch is really important. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not part of the mechanical Bible, but it's absolutely something
Speaker 1: that's mentioned all over in mechanical Bible, which is I
Speaker 1: think a relatively important factor to its importance and its
Speaker 1: reality of being true and or at least a real book.
Speaker 1: And I think they don't accept it because they don't
Speaker 1: know who the author is. But nonetheless that those people,
Speaker 1: if they were right. You know this the whole reason
Speaker 1: that this these pieces might be kept a secret could
Speaker 1: be that war that has been going on spiritually for
Speaker 1: thousands of years that they talk about, and that might
Speaker 1: be why those Catholart people were wiped out, you know,
Speaker 1: just just because of they didn't agree with the history
Speaker 1: that was being narrated. It wasn't the truth it was
Speaker 1: being narrated. And that's why we find so many things
Speaker 1: that we've we just don't we don't have the trust
Speaker 1: in our own history at this point because it's being
Speaker 1: rewritten or mangled. You know. You look at like the
Speaker 1: Native Americans and stuff, and what they did just in
Speaker 1: the eighteen ninety these they took and there's a sacred
Speaker 1: dance that the Lakota tribe would do called the Sun Dance,
Speaker 1: and they made it a federally illegal thing to perform.
Speaker 1: You could not do this. And back then it wasn't
Speaker 1: just you're gonna go to jail for the weekend. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a serious thing that your tribe was violating
Speaker 1: and would be probably put to death. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say that for sure, but but back then
Speaker 1: it was a different story with the whole thing with
Speaker 1: reservations and how they were segregating and doing all this.
Speaker 1: But the fact that the United States federal government had
Speaker 1: enough knowledge to know that fasting and that this sacred
Speaker 1: dance needed to be stopped for whatever purpose, there's obviously
Speaker 1: more to the story than what they're letting us believe,
Speaker 1: because what would be their reasonings. It's a dance, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very strange that would be that concerned about
Speaker 2: a dance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is on Wikipedia. I researched this like,
Speaker 1: it's just the look Coda tribe is really interesting. I
Speaker 1: I've fallen down another rabbit hole with Native American history.
Speaker 1: And if you look at religions like Mormonism, for instance,
Speaker 1: they they believe that, you know, that Jesus came to
Speaker 1: the Americas at one point, which is, you know, hard
Speaker 1: to buy in terms. But unless maybe this, this whole
Speaker 1: story is connected, and that's that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: We've even conceptualized that it's possible that Ankie and Keetsi
Speaker 1: Kuoppo was a previous version of Jesus because in the
Speaker 1: Bible says Jesus descended down from heaven. What was his
Speaker 1: name before? Was he always Jesus up there or did
Speaker 1: he take the name Jesus when he was born as
Speaker 1: a human. And that's what we have to ask, is
Speaker 1: who was he before? And the Jehovah's witness believed that
Speaker 1: he was Michael before. And if that's the case, then
Speaker 1: it could be that Michael is actually Ankie. And and
Speaker 1: that's why the two sons of God, Ankie and Enlil,
Speaker 1: are the serpents that are crawling up that staff of
Speaker 1: the catechists trying to manipulate Moses and can troll humans
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a lot to think about when you
Speaker 2: go down that rabit hole like it. Yeah, I try
Speaker 2: not to thought i'd do this. Yeah, yeah, I try
Speaker 2: not to go down that pathway too much. But it
Speaker 2: is one of those things that I kind of think
Speaker 2: about here and there, just because there is so much
Speaker 2: out there. And then if you start looking at things
Speaker 2: and you start putting things together, like it almost sounds plausible,
Speaker 2: like it makes more sense than what the cover story is.
Speaker 1: I gave up on all of it. I spent twenty
Speaker 1: five plus thirty years of where I just I was agnostic.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a belief I didn't know what to believe,
Speaker 1: and I didn't didn't believe in any of it. Angyans
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I just didn't. I didn't. I just
Speaker 1: couldn't justify it, you know. And and yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: it's something that I just can't even believe I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here talking to you about that type of stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: I never thought I would be someone to discuss that,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, if there's anything else you'd like to talk
Speaker 2: about with comes to your like the upcoming documentary and
Speaker 2: anything else. We can do that now and then we
Speaker 2: can probably wrap this on ump because I've been going
Speaker 2: on for about an hour.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, as far as the documentary, on September eleventh,
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel at Alien Carvings, we'll have our documentary.
Speaker 1: It's free for everybody. The families down there allowed us
Speaker 1: to get you know, uncensored dig videos and to publish
Speaker 1: all of this with all the petroglyphs, the tunnels, you
Speaker 1: know how they do things, different digs out up on
Speaker 1: the hillside, just to show you know, how this stuff's
Speaker 1: being found. And yeah, go from there, but yeah, stay
Speaker 1: tuned or our YouTube channel or subscriber or whatnot.
Speaker 2: I'll make sure to include a link in the show
Speaker 2: notes for anyone out there that way they can just
Speaker 2: go to it. Because I'm looking at my release schedule
Speaker 2: and you said September eleven, that would actually be right
Speaker 2: around the time this comes out.
Speaker 1: So oh cool, right on, a good deal, so.
Speaker 2: I should kind of work itself out around the same timeframe.
Speaker 2: So if you're listening to this episode now, it's probably
Speaker 2: getting ready to come out or it just came out.
Speaker 2: To make sure to go to Alien Carving's YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: Watch it. Well, Mike, it's been a pleasure talking with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you as well.
Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, I definitely appreciate it. If you ever come
Speaker 2: across anything more interesting again or anything like that, just
Speaker 2: make sure to reach out to me and I'll make
Speaker 2: sure to have you back on here.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I will do all right.
Speaker 2: Well, you have a good night, you too, And that's
Speaker 2: the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations.
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Speaker 2: the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections
Speaker 2: we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for
Speaker 2: joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning,
Speaker 2: keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good night everyone, seen.
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