Speaker 1: Hey, folks, welcome back.
Speaker 2: It's doctor Scott, Doctor Shiloh. Wow. Remember we used to
Speaker 2: do that, remember that time? Remember this whole special episode
Speaker 2: is just I wanted to take a moment to tell
Speaker 2: people why we're really wrapping up the show. And it's
Speaker 2: because I keep getting alerts that we're almost out of
Speaker 2: Google storage. So I think that means we have to
Speaker 2: stop doing this or something.
Speaker 1: I told you that's a scam that has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with reality.
Speaker 2: Damn it.
Speaker 1: This dropbox does the same thing, although dropping well also
Speaker 1: just go Yeah, we're tired of holding your data for it.
Speaker 1: It's all gone by. I hope there was nothing important there.
Speaker 2: Yeah after eight million reminders. No, just kidding guys, that
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't. We have had a big weekend so far.
Speaker 1: Early this morning at eight am, we were recording our
Speaker 1: last episode, which ended up being over two hours long.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, as we do, and it was it really
Speaker 1: felt like another day of recording that we've been doing
Speaker 1: now for eight years, and whether we're together in person
Speaker 1: doing it or doing it remotely like COVID taught us
Speaker 1: to do. But we want to close this chapter of
Speaker 1: a book that is still ongoing, but we didn't want
Speaker 1: to close this chapter without taking an opportunity to say goodbye,
Speaker 1: and we didn't want it to be in the forensic episode.
Speaker 1: We just wanted to say thank you, and really sincere
Speaker 1: thank you. I think I sometimes, I always I worry
Speaker 1: about people, like God, do people think I'm being an
Speaker 1: authentic because I can. I'm sure I can come across
Speaker 1: as modeling in some of these exaltations about our audience
Speaker 1: and this experience, but it really it's just amazing, and
Speaker 1: we wanted to make sure that the goodbye was real
Speaker 1: and substantial to every single one of you, even the
Speaker 1: ones that listened to us for a while and got
Speaker 1: mad at something that we said and went away. We
Speaker 1: still think you're amazing. Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And doing this as a standalone I think is important.
Speaker 2: And you and I know that goodbyes are hard for
Speaker 2: people sometimes. How are you with goodbyes?
Speaker 1: That I'm not good? And I have a better understanding
Speaker 1: of it now than I did when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: One of just to dip into the psych part of
Speaker 1: it or my clinical makeup is you know, I'm very
Speaker 1: much scotch Irish and I've always known the saying of
Speaker 1: the Irish goodbye, which I used to do a lot.
Speaker 1: And as much of an out going extrovert as I am,
Speaker 1: there is a part of me that is a little
Speaker 1: bit of an introvert. So maybe I'm an extroverted introvert
Speaker 1: and goodbyes, I think as a younger person, we're confusing
Speaker 1: for me because I didn't know what the expectation was,
Speaker 1: Like am I doing the right thing? Have I been
Speaker 1: a good friend? Has this gone the way it's supposed
Speaker 1: to go. There's a lot of questioning myself. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that made for uncomfortable. And then on top of it,
Speaker 1: ADHD does this weird thing to those of us with
Speaker 1: the diagnosis that I call temporal displacement. It's like a
Speaker 1: science fiction y term, but it really is, like all
Speaker 1: of you are ever present in my mind. Like my
Speaker 1: friends that I have not seen since I was a
Speaker 1: freshman in college or high school, I still think about
Speaker 1: them and and that's weird because they don't have a
Speaker 1: relationship with me after thirty years, but I remember those
Speaker 1: moments and they're special. And also because of it's just
Speaker 1: always not been easy to stay in contact. But like
Speaker 1: it's just as a live to me moment by moment,
Speaker 1: and it probably isn't returned on the other side, and
Speaker 1: that's okay. So that's my very long, woinded way of
Speaker 1: saying I am not great, how about you.
Speaker 2: I think I've come to learn and this is probably
Speaker 2: not shocking that I am so in getting more education
Speaker 2: on loss and bereavement and things like that, I've learned
Speaker 2: that I'm a practical griever and so I probably don't
Speaker 2: show and grieve and sometimes don't feel the way other
Speaker 2: people do in those times. And I think sometimes that
Speaker 2: crosses over to goodbyes, where I'm just like goodbyes are
Speaker 2: supposed to happen at certain points, whether it's like I'm
Speaker 2: saying goodbye to someone that I'm going to see again
Speaker 2: in a few months and I know they're going to
Speaker 2: be back, or you know, it's kind of a final goodbye.
Speaker 2: In this day and age, I think it just reinforces
Speaker 2: some of that of I can always kind of contact
Speaker 2: someone in some way, so I tend to be a
Speaker 2: little bit more, I don't know, come off as like
Speaker 2: nonchalant about it, which doesn't mean I don't care, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that practical grievers don't care aren't grieving, right,
Speaker 2: because I'm such a social person and for me, connection
Speaker 2: is so important. If I don't have of a lunch
Speaker 2: with someone at work lined up to kind of get
Speaker 2: that little social camaraderie hit for the week, or something
Speaker 2: obviously planned like with my family or what have you,
Speaker 2: I just I need that I love that human back
Speaker 2: and forth. So I do care, I'd care deeply. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I'm a practical goodbyer and irish goodbye, not
Speaker 2: because it's hard for me, but because like I don't
Speaker 2: need to say goodbye. I'll see you guys later anyway.
Speaker 2: That's just how I am. But yeah, goodbyes can be
Speaker 2: hard or awkward for folks. I mean, you and I
Speaker 2: have both had clients who ghost that last therapy session
Speaker 2: because they don't like goodbyes, especially after building a healthy,
Speaker 2: safe relationship in therapy, sometimes for the very first time.
Speaker 2: So I thought it would be interesting to just include
Speaker 2: just a snippet of a little clinical piece here. But
Speaker 2: goodbyes serve a really important psychological role, right. They help
Speaker 2: us express emotions, define some memories, and mark transitions that
Speaker 2: can really bring a nice resolution or closure to different
Speaker 2: life phases.
Speaker 1: I like that I like. Especially, the thing that pops
Speaker 1: out for me from that quote is mark transitions, because
Speaker 1: I think that we're living in a world that doesn't
Speaker 1: recognize transitions, especially you know, with the challenges that we
Speaker 1: have today in the US. Everybody's just grinding. Everybody's just
Speaker 1: grinding to stay afloat and alive, and that doesn't allow
Speaker 1: for transitions. You know, we've talked about Victorian mourning rituals
Speaker 1: and how I remembered all those years ago we went
Speaker 1: to Heritage Square Museum and saw that particular Halloween presentation
Speaker 1: which was so fascinating, and the opening of Six Feet
Speaker 1: Under where the mom gets really frustrated with her husband's death.
Speaker 1: It's like, why is this so samd Terry put your
Speaker 1: hands in the dirt. Put your hands in the dirt
Speaker 1: to throw the dirt on the you know, and there's
Speaker 1: something I mean that seems like dramatic, but at least
Speaker 1: it's acknowledging loss. Right, So it's going to stay with
Speaker 1: me that this is marking a transition of something that
Speaker 1: we worked on together and collaborated on, and we'll continue
Speaker 1: to create. We'll do something, even if it's let's start
Speaker 1: a knitting club. I don't know, let's do it, but
Speaker 1: we're going to create. And this is just the transition
Speaker 1: of leaving this as a good, solid legacy for people
Speaker 1: to enjoy and hopefully learn something from. Now, all of
Speaker 1: that being said, a little bit more psycho education here.
Speaker 1: As we close. Across various cultures, people create rituals, farewell meals, parties, airports,
Speaker 1: send offs, and they are transitional mile posts to mark
Speaker 1: these endings. And shore crot and Ottinger in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: introduced the idea of a well rounded ending. What a
Speaker 1: lovely phrase, a well rounded ending, and they describe it
Speaker 1: as an ending or a goodbye that feels complete and
Speaker 1: provides closure. And their finding suggests that people experience a
Speaker 1: well rounded ending when they believe that they did everything
Speaker 1: they could, fully completed the experience and tied up loose ends.
Speaker 1: And I know that's not always possible, but that makes
Speaker 1: so much sense to be able to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something to aspire to. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: in every single situation we certainly can't do all of that,
Speaker 2: but if you can mark off those things, I would
Speaker 2: say that you probably walk away feeling like it was
Speaker 2: a very well rounded ending, right, I am.
Speaker 1: A person who craves resolution at the end of any
Speaker 1: type of relationship. And before we start push the record
Speaker 1: button today I was talking about, like, there is an
Speaker 1: ongoing issue in one period of my life that it's
Speaker 1: been three years. Where is the resolution for this? Just
Speaker 1: give me even if you're going to say no, just
Speaker 1: say it and let's all move on. And as a clinician,
Speaker 1: I see a lot of clients that have to navigate
Speaker 1: ridiculous behaviors of ghosting, you know, And I just I
Speaker 1: think it says something about us that we aren't just
Speaker 1: going to go okay, that's the end of it. We're
Speaker 1: gone by by everybody that's supported and helped us do
Speaker 1: this thing for so many years. I think about how
Speaker 1: I think it's what's the character's name, is it Steve
Speaker 1: from Blues Clues?
Speaker 2: I think so that sounds k It's.
Speaker 1: Steve who was just who was a wonderful young actor
Speaker 1: that fell into this role and kids and parents fell
Speaker 1: in love with him, just like really really fell in
Speaker 1: love with him and his wonderful, gentle voice and his
Speaker 1: kind attention to children, and he made a decision to
Speaker 1: leave the show because he was rapidly going bald and
Speaker 1: he's like, I think that's weird for me in a
Speaker 1: kid's show. For me to go bald and a wig
Speaker 1: is not going to do it, So it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: this is time for me to go. And then he
Speaker 1: went and did other things, and then he came back
Speaker 1: as an adult fifteen years later during a really difficult time,
Speaker 1: like during COVID, and he did in his Blues Clues voice,
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, this is a tough time for you guys.
Speaker 1: And I just remember bawling when he was saying that.
Speaker 1: It was so sweet. But look, this is a mixed bag.
Speaker 1: And oh god, am I gonna have water works?
Speaker 2: Here we go, here we I'm off, I'm off, but
Speaker 2: hold on, yep.
Speaker 1: We're doing this with my best friend. That's just it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's just been amazing. And this is this month sixteen
Speaker 1: years ago that we met.
Speaker 2: It is god a world away. So today, in between
Speaker 2: our two recording sessions, I went and got a facial.
Speaker 2: It's probably the best thing I could have done for
Speaker 2: myself today. But on my way driving there, I don't
Speaker 2: know why, And please nobody analyzed this, like I don't
Speaker 2: know why this was floating through my head. But I
Speaker 2: was thinking of the people I have been in love
Speaker 2: with in my life, and I was thinking about that
Speaker 2: one thought leads to another, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be so weird if my kid comes to
Speaker 2: me one day is like, how do you know you're
Speaker 2: in love? And don't worry, I'm not going to profess
Speaker 2: my love to you, Scott. But you know, you can
Speaker 2: have great loves in your life and they last for
Speaker 2: as long as they're supposed to last. And I've always
Speaker 2: felt that way. And sometimes when you realize that the
Speaker 2: effort or the energy isn't the same or you'd rather
Speaker 2: be putting that into something else, that's kind of those
Speaker 2: markers to know when maybe that is. And I then
Speaker 2: started thinking, you know, I've had and because of today
Speaker 2: and the recording that we're doing, thinking about the ending
Speaker 2: and how I've had great loves or passion projects in
Speaker 2: my life and things that I've done and accomplished, And
Speaker 2: to me, that's an incredible driver, right, like a sense
Speaker 2: of accomplishment, whether it was the academy through that grad school.
Speaker 2: But I consider this podcast is one of my great
Speaker 2: loves and passion projects and it's the only one that
Speaker 2: I have that I got to do with somebody else,
Speaker 2: Like every other accomplishment in my life has been me
Speaker 2: and my drive, and it's something that when I describe
Speaker 2: this what we have done, that I always lead with
Speaker 2: that I got to do this with you, and that's
Speaker 2: hands down the most special part of it. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: you are one of my great loves. Oh man, So
Speaker 2: look here I am. Thanks for letting me ramble my
Speaker 2: story today.
Speaker 1: Now it's really beautiful, and it's like it is again.
Speaker 1: It's so strange to think that this is not the
Speaker 1: end of us. It's the end of this particular thing.
Speaker 1: But it's been such a big deal, and these are
Speaker 1: escalated times in the world, and you know, we've had
Speaker 1: some hard discussions. I did want to share with people something.
Speaker 1: There's so many amazing things about you and your family
Speaker 1: welcoming Dan and I in in such a wonderful way.
Speaker 1: But we've also, while we've been doing this, have gone
Speaker 1: through some unbelievably challenging times. And without one of you
Speaker 1: you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. But the one
Speaker 1: where we had a shared relationship with an individual who
Speaker 1: was not who we thought they were, Yeah, was like
Speaker 1: something out of a movie. It felt like that last
Speaker 1: scene of Gone Girl where everybody is sitting in the
Speaker 1: living room and they all know what happened and they
Speaker 1: know that it's like all the stories are coming together
Speaker 1: and everybody is just so astounded. And you and I
Speaker 1: have not only did you and I have that moment,
Speaker 1: but you did something that is so typical Shiloh. I
Speaker 1: was flagellating myself over guilt of not being able to
Speaker 1: preserve this relationship, like if I did this, I should
Speaker 1: have done and you in front, and it was you
Speaker 1: and me and several other people, and it cut weirdly uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and you handled it like a pro and you looked
Speaker 1: over at me and said, you need to understand, Scott,
Speaker 1: that this person is not who you think they are.
Speaker 1: And then I was stunned with that information. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so without going into any of the details, it let
Speaker 1: me off the hook in a way that I never
Speaker 1: would have known, like the burden that I was carrying
Speaker 1: with that. But again, there's just this nature you have
Speaker 1: of being so stalwart you know, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean. It's also funny. The first time I ever
Speaker 1: met your mom, your mom is such a riot. She
Speaker 1: goes I hope you'll pull that stick out of her ass.
Speaker 1: And I was like, don't you talk about my my girlfriend, right,
Speaker 1: don't you talk about her, save.
Speaker 2: My life, internship, What are you talking about? She's exactly
Speaker 2: who I want around.
Speaker 1: Me, exactly. You keep that stick right up your ass, lady.
Speaker 2: It's working for you, lady.
Speaker 1: It's totally work for you.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so sweet.
Speaker 1: But the other part of this is that I've talked
Speaker 1: about with you too, is that so many kids of
Speaker 1: my generation, being a gay kid growing up in Alabama
Speaker 1: in a time where that was just not a thing,
Speaker 1: you carry a lot of baggage with you that is
Speaker 1: about code switching and performative emotional access in order to
Speaker 1: navigate the world around you. And I have wonderful friends
Speaker 1: who are my same age and went through exactly the
Speaker 1: same upbringing. They don't have this baggage at all. But
Speaker 1: I do love that. I think. I remember one time,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't fishing for a compliment, but I was
Speaker 1: like looking at you and Anthony's la and I said,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you guys like me, Like what really? Like,
Speaker 1: aren't I kind of annoying? And you were like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Are you talking about? It was like, this
Speaker 1: is the weirdest you know, for this guy who's almost
Speaker 1: a generation older than you. And yeah, but for all
Speaker 1: the things that we have in common, and there is
Speaker 1: a spark that I've never had with any other friendship.
Speaker 1: There is a spark of excitement. And I've had like wonderful, wonderful,
Speaker 1: fulfilling friendships over the years. But like you hit all
Speaker 1: the angles, like the passion about research, the passion about
Speaker 1: weird shit, the passion for doing good in the world
Speaker 1: and having a sense of purpose.
Speaker 2: It's just talking shit, Struth when we need to.
Speaker 1: I know you will. You see, here's the thing, you say,
Speaker 1: you are so lightweight of a shit talker than I am.
Speaker 1: You're so good, but you put up with which all
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: But I do appreciate it. That's so funny. Well, thank
Speaker 2: you for saying that. And I'm probably going to be
Speaker 2: on another podcast pretty soon coming up, and I'll let
Speaker 2: you guys know about it through Patreon. But it's focused
Speaker 2: on mental health and support for that community in law enforcement,
Speaker 2: and so we're going to do an episode on mental health,
Speaker 2: but they decided we want to do an episode on
Speaker 2: allyship as well, and so it has me kind of
Speaker 2: like thinking about all the experiences in my life and
Speaker 2: you'll certainly be a huge part of kind of my
Speaker 2: story of how to be a good ally and just
Speaker 2: the impact that you've had on me in that sense.
Speaker 2: Even at the time in my life where I met you,
Speaker 2: it was like I could always do better and I
Speaker 2: can always learn how to incorporate that into my life
Speaker 2: on a conscious level. So you'll get some shout outs
Speaker 2: and some love on that all that comes out too,
Speaker 2: But thank you because that's enriched my life in my
Speaker 2: family's life as well. Should we get on with like
Speaker 2: think you yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that I've like, now that I've reconstituted.
Speaker 2: Good we got all that out.
Speaker 1: Thank God again. Now the project has been more than
Speaker 1: we could ever imagined or asked for, and in ways
Speaker 1: that are completely unexpected. And we absolutely could not have
Speaker 1: done this without this incredible intersection of so many people
Speaker 1: people coming into our lives.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, it is And I hate when people are
Speaker 2: doing thank yous and they say like, I can't possibly
Speaker 2: thank everyone, But now I kind of understand that because
Speaker 2: we'd be here all day and there are so many
Speaker 2: of you that have touched us in ways that we
Speaker 2: can only hope that we took the time to tell
Speaker 2: you in that moment or showed our appreciation in some way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, here we go. So first on the list
Speaker 2: we have Tim and Lance. It was such an honor
Speaker 2: to be invited into the crawl Space network and family
Speaker 2: all the way back in twenty nineteen. From that first
Speaker 2: moment up until now, we are just blown away by
Speaker 2: the caliber of your reputations and have truly found you
Speaker 2: guys to be two of the most genuine and goofy
Speaker 2: people in this industry.
Speaker 1: And so authentic.
Speaker 2: So aes love you more for that, and we have
Speaker 2: been through some wonderful and strange experiences together. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: that has bonded us, and you guys are like our
Speaker 2: foundation when we look back.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, foundation is a good word. But again, I
Speaker 1: think that this is going to be the common thread
Speaker 1: among this list of people is just we absolutely are
Speaker 1: magnetically attracted to authentic people that are real and we've
Speaker 1: met some. You know, you think in the true crime
Speaker 1: community you're going to meet authentic people, and you really do.
Speaker 1: You just beat wonderful people. Tammy and Bryce from Hollyweird
Speaker 1: Paranormal who are our dupar besties. Dupars is like a
Speaker 1: classic old diner here in LA And the first time
Speaker 1: we met them we were like scarfing down pancakes and
Speaker 1: laughing wildly with each other. It was like these we
Speaker 1: had known them all our lives. The world is truly
Speaker 1: better with both of you in it, and we're so
Speaker 1: lucky to know you do amazing humans, you really are
Speaker 1: and continue to astound us after all these times. Bryce
Speaker 1: is a producer, Tammy is a producer. They're both doing
Speaker 1: amazing things and you'll be hearing more from them as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Beck's of course the queen of it all. Trivia
Speaker 2: branding and of course interviewing dialogue is still I swear,
Speaker 2: some of the best true crime content in this space.
Speaker 2: We are always admiring the curiosity that you have brought,
Speaker 2: and you know, really through some times that have crossed
Speaker 2: over into some very uncomfortable issues, and nobody has approached
Speaker 2: that with more grace than you have. And clearly you're
Speaker 2: such a dear, dear friend to the both of us.
Speaker 2: But your talents just deserve to be praised. I Scott
Speaker 2: knows that behind the couch wasn't always my favorite thing
Speaker 2: because I'm so nervous when I'm interviewing people, and I
Speaker 2: think it always turns out horrible in my mind, and
Speaker 2: I just always I'm like, why can't I be like
Speaker 2: Rebecca Sebastian.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny to hear you feeling so non
Speaker 1: secure about that because from a collaborator perspective, and you
Speaker 1: your perspective, it comes very naturally to you. Your flow
Speaker 1: is great, and you're so interested in people, Like I
Speaker 1: think that's something else that we share. We just like
Speaker 1: are fascinated by people, which it makes perfect to do
Speaker 1: this kind of content. Caz. She is the CAZ and
Speaker 1: probably the most logical critical thinker in our group, which
Speaker 1: is really needed. Like and as an attorney with a
Speaker 1: law background, you're amazing, Like can really pull us back
Speaker 1: the reality sometimes when we are just untethered. She just
Speaker 1: has the magic to bring our text thread that needs
Speaker 1: to be a movie in itself, that text thread needs
Speaker 1: to be a full feature linked film. She always brings
Speaker 1: us back to center and somehow we found the one
Speaker 1: person with a dryer with an iron link. She hurt
Speaker 1: sarcasm and sly retorts just they're like through a it's
Speaker 1: like I remember the first, she pulled what I mean,
Speaker 1: I was so taken it back. I had said something
Speaker 1: and she texted me she goes weird flex but okay.
Speaker 2: Perfect.
Speaker 1: On the other I felt that, I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: I got smacked with that. We love you, Kaz.
Speaker 2: Yes, and thank you for always lending your legal mind
Speaker 2: when it's been needed, not just to us, but to
Speaker 2: so many other creators.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know that goes without saying. Also a big shout
Speaker 2: out to Shannon. This is a listener turned friend. Shannon.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever told you this, but
Speaker 2: you are literally listed in my contacts as Shannon Number
Speaker 2: one crawl Space fan. And that goes all the way
Speaker 2: back to like when I just kind of knew you
Speaker 2: through chats and get vocals and things like that. And
Speaker 2: I've never changed it because I love it so much.
Speaker 2: Just a sweet, genuine person and again fucking hilarious behind
Speaker 2: the keyboard. I can't even with her wit as well.
Speaker 1: So good. And Also it was another strange one because
Speaker 1: I think of all of us in the group, she
Speaker 1: could be the serial killer because we connected with her
Speaker 1: so quickly, like she you know, the first time we
Speaker 1: met her physically, it was just like, well, of course
Speaker 1: Shannon's here. Yeah, Shannon's part of this group. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just such a natural fit. It's amazing. Yeah, Abby,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Abby, are amazing.
Speaker 2: Our adopted niece.
Speaker 1: Our adopted niece who's like the young person of the group.
Speaker 1: I feel like she represents the younger generation. And I
Speaker 1: mean that in the best most adoring way possible. Unbelievable
Speaker 1: support tech support, reconnaissance skills. We sent around on a
Speaker 1: reconnaissance mission and she went and did it for us
Speaker 1: and for believing in herself as well, Like we're just
Speaker 1: I don't want to even say I'm amazed. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say I'm proud. I just think that you're
Speaker 1: so amazing. Yeah, yeah, you're amazing and what you're accomplishing
Speaker 1: and doing in just a few short years. I think
Speaker 1: you've climbed a mountain that you had no idea how
Speaker 1: high it is. And I can't wait to see you're
Speaker 1: gonna be over the years. And no, I'm going to
Speaker 1: say it. We are proud of you. We're really proud
Speaker 1: of you, and thank you for I mean, she had
Speaker 1: to explain discord to us.
Speaker 3: I know, we're like, sit us down, like what how
Speaker 3: do you, like, as we are, really should do this.
Speaker 3: We're like, okay, well she's so sweet, like a little
Speaker 3: DM like you should be doing this.
Speaker 2: I'm like, fantastic, can you do that? Ab awesome? I
Speaker 2: don't know what you said. Can you just take care
Speaker 2: of it? Thanks Lauren h thank you just for sharing
Speaker 2: all of your crazy stories, for being a great mom
Speaker 2: to those awesome kiddos of yours and showing up like
Speaker 2: coming to our stuff and just being a super fun
Speaker 2: hang for sure.
Speaker 1: Emily, yep, Emily force of nature. Emily. Emily is how
Speaker 1: you learn the lesson that nobody should mess with the
Speaker 1: mama bear of that caliber of her wild intelligence and
Speaker 1: her fortitude and resilience and having this healthy north star
Speaker 1: about her family. Yeah, Like I mean, in the face
Speaker 1: of some really big odds and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: disclose because that's her story to tell that, Emily just
Speaker 1: has blown us all away. And she also went on
Speaker 1: a reconnaissance mission for us, which we appreciated. And I
Speaker 1: will say this because we sent Abby out on the
Speaker 1: one as well, and what we found out was another
Speaker 1: aspect of both these people like Emily coming back and
Speaker 1: giving us this completely professional response to what we had
Speaker 1: asked to find out. It was like an unbiased opinion,
Speaker 1: which is exactly what we needed, and I just really
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys didn't know we had an army of spies,
Speaker 2: did you. We also want to thank John. We have
Speaker 2: thanked John before. We're so appreciative for your brilliant mind
Speaker 2: and just the time that you give us, you know,
Speaker 2: to listen to an episode and then compose a super
Speaker 2: interesting email for us to read has been everything so enjoyable.
Speaker 2: It was always a really special part of our week
Speaker 2: when you wrote in and gave us, you know, your
Speaker 2: incredible Lambyrinth laundry list of how old Hollywood and crime
Speaker 2: stories were all connected. And it's just really been lovely
Speaker 2: getting to know you. Thank you so much for coming
Speaker 2: to our events as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, meeting John in person was like the next level
Speaker 1: meeting you know, all the people that we've met that
Speaker 1: came on the tours and we've seen over the years
Speaker 1: has always been great. But I felt like I knew
Speaker 1: John even before he walked in the door because his
Speaker 1: writing is so spectacular. I hope that he will write
Speaker 1: more about old Hollywood because and also introducing him and
Speaker 1: Chris of e La in a day was like, I'm
Speaker 1: surprised there wasn't like a rift in the universe that
Speaker 1: opened up with these two brilliant minds coming together. So amazing, Bridget,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, another like around the world. I feel
Speaker 1: like I've known her for so long. Bridget, you live
Speaker 1: on the other side of the planet. You are. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for being our favorite key we psychologist
Speaker 1: and sharing the amazing work that you do with teens
Speaker 1: and also honoring me with like legit hardcore conversations about
Speaker 1: clinical stuff. I mean, some people will go, oh, he's
Speaker 1: never going to want to talk about that stuff, but
Speaker 1: you know, like having this professional collegiality with someone who's
Speaker 1: a listener and understand the conversations we have this shorthand
Speaker 1: that is really really fantastic. And please don't please hold
Speaker 1: on to some psychologist jobs for us in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: We may have to make a quick getaway. God amazed.
Speaker 2: And she always wins the prizes at our Christmas get
Speaker 2: togethers or virtual one. She's it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's like it's the system. Yeah, she's attacked
Speaker 1: the system where she's doing some new Zealand who doo
Speaker 1: or something? I love it whatever it's worth.
Speaker 2: Yes, Adrian again another listener turn friend and from your
Speaker 2: first DM, I was like, we are cut from the
Speaker 2: same cloth.
Speaker 1: Just love it.
Speaker 2: We got each other. Your commitment to your profession and
Speaker 2: education is so admirable and we just love the chance
Speaker 2: to be able to hang out with you and James,
Speaker 2: our fellow Disney adults. I mean, we like check all
Speaker 2: the boxes for all the things, but it's really been
Speaker 2: amazing to just have a friendship with you. And thanks
Speaker 2: for everything. I mean, you know, dropping off little gifts
Speaker 2: and having weird like Silence of the Lambs things that
Speaker 2: you share with me, and I'm always here for it,
Speaker 2: and just the conversation has always been awesome. So thank you, Adrian, Thank.
Speaker 1: You Adrian Laney. Oh my gosh, Lanie, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for giving us our first chance to present at
Speaker 1: your wonderful festival. I still don't know how that happened,
Speaker 1: but like that was really there were seminal moments in
Speaker 1: the development of this show that we could have been
Speaker 1: a show that flamed out after two years and you know,
Speaker 1: never have been able to really go anywhere with it.
Speaker 1: But getting to true crime podcast festival exposed us to
Speaker 1: a whole new audience and gave us the opportunity. You
Speaker 1: and I have been doing presentations for years, Like we've
Speaker 1: done various presentations, I mean most you can't really be
Speaker 1: a psychologist much without having to do an aspect of
Speaker 1: that in your job when you work for big organizations
Speaker 1: like you and I do. But you know, I'm an
Speaker 1: old performer, you know, an old chorus boy, and I
Speaker 1: want to give information, but I also want to grab
Speaker 1: people's attention and I want to entertain. I should have
Speaker 1: been a cult leader.
Speaker 2: I think I hear that a lot.
Speaker 1: I cry too much, probably, But no, Laney again, like
Speaker 1: just getting us hooked in with you has been so fantastic,
Speaker 1: and you know, now we can we can go as
Speaker 1: participants rather than you know, than having a show.
Speaker 2: Well we'll come out of retirement for the festival coming
Speaker 2: to the West.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, happy, too happy to But really, I.
Speaker 2: Mean we're super grateful for her commitment to inclusivity and
Speaker 2: ethics and was blazing that trail before anyone.
Speaker 1: Was even thinking, before anybody Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that same vein huge thanks to Jessa and
Speaker 2: Nick for pairing up with us at that first festival presentation.
Speaker 2: I think it still rains as one of our best,
Speaker 2: and it was the first one, and it was because
Speaker 2: of Jessa and Nick. You guys heard us, you know,
Speaker 2: talk about Jessa extensively pretty recently, and Jessa, we hope
Speaker 2: that your kiddos get to hear that really scratchy audio
Speaker 2: from that presentation one day and see it as just
Speaker 2: another way in which you absolutely gave a piece of
Speaker 2: yourself to educate the community.
Speaker 1: That was. Yeah, I mean, I'm still kind of I
Speaker 1: have not wrapped my head around Jessa's death yet. I
Speaker 1: just I haven't. It does not feel real, even though
Speaker 1: it's been months and I know it's very real, but
Speaker 1: there was something in the air the night we met them.
Speaker 1: You know, we met them in person the night before
Speaker 1: we did a presentation. We had sort of practiced things
Speaker 1: across phone lines and a zoom meeting, but we really
Speaker 1: know this was our first time getting together and people
Speaker 1: came up to it was it was electric. It was
Speaker 1: absolutely electric. We went over our time, which was right
Speaker 1: before the lunch break. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: Laney or Whoever's like, yeah, you guys, if you want
Speaker 1: to keep talking and half the audience stayed and people
Speaker 1: came up to us and were saying, how long have
Speaker 1: you guys known each other? The back and the forth
Speaker 1: and the way you wove in talking and nobody was
Speaker 1: talking over the other one. It was amazing because it
Speaker 1: just felt like being with that level of professionals was
Speaker 1: how that happened. So our hearts go to Jessic's family,
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy for Nick's ongoing accomplishments. He's just
Speaker 1: an unbelievable trailblazer in this field, and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see what he does as well now for the
Speaker 1: next Like, you know, parallel to Nick and Jessin is
Speaker 1: Meghan and Amy doctor Meghan, doctor Amy, the criminologist versions
Speaker 1: of us, which like opened our eyes to like this
Speaker 1: very specific point of view that's right adjacent to the
Speaker 1: work that we've been doing for years. It's crazy to
Speaker 1: think how far back we go now from sharing that
Speaker 1: first festival swag table together. Meeting Amy, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: We immediately took off and we were laughing and you know,
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out, like how are we all here?
Speaker 1: How is this happening? You know, for both of you,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the work that you do
Speaker 1: to bring your professional insights to these masses. We had
Speaker 1: a phenomenal couple of presentations with them. We've done crossover episodes.
Speaker 1: We did two very very well received presentations with them
Speaker 1: at festivals, and you know the results of those ended
Speaker 1: up kind of boosting our viewership as well, which has
Speaker 1: just been fantastic. Thank you for the work that you do.
Speaker 1: Working with professionals like the two of you always inspires
Speaker 1: me to bring my a game to our collaborations. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, it's the doctors think like, I forget I'm
Speaker 1: a doctor. Joe Like, oh no, doctors, I got to
Speaker 1: get my shit together, doctor, doctor, doctor.
Speaker 2: Yes. Big thanks to Nikammel from the Tennis Podcast. We
Speaker 2: have so appreciated your podcast friendship and I have truly
Speaker 2: been through some unique experiences as well, and it's been
Speaker 2: nice to kind of share some of that on the side,
Speaker 2: whether it's like podcast business stuff or things going on
Speaker 2: in the world, what have you. It's just been a
Speaker 2: very easy friendship. So thank you for all of the
Speaker 2: collaborations and invites, and most of all, thank you for
Speaker 2: sharing Brandon with us and the world. Yeah, the podcast
Speaker 2: world is certainly better for your guys show. It's been
Speaker 2: been really really I sound like I'm writing in a
Speaker 2: year book, like it's been cool to know you guys,
Speaker 2: but cool it has it's you know, just been one
Speaker 2: of those unique ones that inviting them or vice versa
Speaker 2: has just always felt like a thing that we have
Speaker 2: on calendar.
Speaker 1: Yeah it should be. And then you know, even more collaborators,
Speaker 1: Daniel and Greg. Such a great show, such great guys.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for collaborating with us for another
Speaker 1: one of our live LA shows, the special one that
Speaker 1: was at Heritage Square. It was so amazing and fun.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I'm also appreciative of the serial killer postcards I
Speaker 2: get every month as a Patreon member of LA Weekly,
Speaker 2: their show.
Speaker 1: La Meekley not Weekly.
Speaker 2: Sorry, did I freaking said weekly? That's crazy. It's weird
Speaker 2: how a pun like that can happen. It's not that
Speaker 2: they give me postcards with serial killers on them, but
Speaker 2: Daniel's writing looks like a serial killer. Every time. My
Speaker 2: husband is like, who is writing you at our post
Speaker 2: office box? Like he the first time he was really nervous,
Speaker 2: says like doctor Shiloh, and then scribble, scribble, scribble, scribble,
Speaker 2: and it comes every month and it looks really creepy.
Speaker 2: So I always give Daniel shit for it.
Speaker 1: I love that. I didn't know where you were going
Speaker 1: with that, but I was like, early are that Are
Speaker 1: there that many serial killers to do one every month?
Speaker 2: He's like, is your husband still mad at me? Also
Speaker 2: again like just this is going together. Thank you to
Speaker 2: Corey at Heritage Square Music. She's the executive director there.
Speaker 2: She has been like a family member to us. Thank
Speaker 2: you for opening the museum's beautiful doors to us and
Speaker 2: our friends to do our show, this crazy idea, and
Speaker 2: she was like, this is going to be awesome from
Speaker 2: the get go, even though we didn't know if it
Speaker 2: was going to be awesome. But she's really become like
Speaker 2: a family member, even though we haven't made it over
Speaker 2: there in a long time, but done a lot to
Speaker 2: help mentor my daughter as well. So Corey, we can't
Speaker 2: thank you enough.
Speaker 1: Chris from CLA in a day, we have to mention
Speaker 1: this one last time how much we have appreciated your
Speaker 1: knowledge and your kindness and for always creating special outings
Speaker 1: for us and our listeners with your company. And it feels,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he does this magic
Speaker 1: with all of the people. I would think so, because
Speaker 1: there's not a bad review out there of CLA in
Speaker 1: a day. It's amazing. But every time I've been on
Speaker 1: a tour with him, this is not somebody who's like
Speaker 1: reading at card that they have to do three times
Speaker 1: a day when you go take a tour someplace. This
Speaker 1: is somebody that's so passionate about LA and its history
Speaker 1: and you just feel like you're having this curated experience.
Speaker 1: So they're still around anybody in the LA area. We're
Speaker 1: actually even doing ads for them that are going to
Speaker 1: run and perfectly right for a while. Yeah, we just
Speaker 1: can't say enough about it. If you're coming to LA,
Speaker 1: you got to book these tours because he's just wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yes, I promise you guys were in the home stretch,
Speaker 2: so thank you for sticking around. We have to say
Speaker 2: thank you to Nancy of Crime Con UK. She's the
Speaker 2: organizer of that and you know she took a zoom
Speaker 2: call with us to see if we would be a
Speaker 2: good fit from across the pond and decided to invite
Speaker 2: us to present. And we are so appreciative of being
Speaker 2: invited back year after year your event. As we have
Speaker 2: talked about on the show is one that we have
Speaker 2: raped so much about and that's so well deserved because
Speaker 2: of your leadership in that space and how you want
Speaker 2: the tone to be and it is the way it
Speaker 2: should be. So it's always been a really special experience
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been wonderful. So one another person, this is
Speaker 1: someone that is the reason we're here for this long
Speaker 1: and that is Noel d. I've known Noel as I've
Speaker 1: known her since I was a sophomore in college and
Speaker 1: she was like a grade school kid. She was like
Speaker 1: one of my dear friend's little sister. She is my
Speaker 1: dear friend's little sister. I reconnected with her through social media,
Speaker 1: you know, with Facebook, And when we started this show,
Speaker 1: her sister Nicole, that I'm close with, was like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: Scott's doing a podcast. You should try this out. And
Speaker 1: I had no idea that she was a true crime aficionado.
Speaker 1: And she said like, I'm in this discussion thread and
Speaker 1: I think it was on Reddit for my favorite murder
Speaker 1: and she decided to like, go, hey, guys, if you
Speaker 1: really want to get some background on the psych issues,
Speaker 1: you should check these people out and put a link
Speaker 1: in there, and overnight our numbers quadrupled, and I mean
Speaker 1: it was amazing, and that exposure got us even more
Speaker 1: calls and invitations to do things because suddenly we were
Speaker 1: popping really strongly, and it's just it was just amazing.
Speaker 1: We would not have been here without that. Michelle Zee
Speaker 1: of more Zapp Production. Michelle is a dear friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Have known her for decades, like literal decades. We used
Speaker 1: to perform together, we used to choreograph together. And then
Speaker 1: back in the pre COVID day, she and I had
Speaker 1: reconnected and she is a very successful producer and manager
Speaker 1: here in Hollywood, and she came to our first live
Speaker 1: show and like, true crime is not her thing at all,
Speaker 1: but she immediately saw the potential and the interaction between
Speaker 1: you and I doing a presentation and Beck's was there
Speaker 1: with us as well, and she said like, look, if
Speaker 1: you guys want to let me pitch this. And if
Speaker 1: it had not been for COVID, we would have had
Speaker 1: another their show go And it was for NBC when
Speaker 1: NBC was doing podcasts. Yeah, and my gosh, iiloh. We
Speaker 1: did an unbelievable pilot presentation. It was a great idea.
Speaker 1: Really did we busted our asses? It was different from
Speaker 1: what we do because it was geared toward a more
Speaker 1: interactive audience, and of course it wasn't able to go
Speaker 1: eat anywhere. But I had a friend listen to it
Speaker 1: or he was showed interest in listening to it, so
Speaker 1: I sent him the pilot presentation and he was just,
Speaker 1: you know, all exclamation points, it's pretty cool. So Michelle,
Speaker 1: you have always been a rock star. You'll continue to
Speaker 1: be a rock star. And we can't talk about it
Speaker 1: right now. Who knows that it'll come out in social
Speaker 1: but I as I was writing this thank you to
Speaker 1: her today, she texted me and said, hey, I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you about X y Z. It's so nice,
Speaker 1: so crazy. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a blanket. Thank you to everyone who has
Speaker 2: ever invited us onto their show or to their event,
Speaker 2: and we keep forgetting about, like how many of those
Speaker 2: we've done.
Speaker 1: Lot.
Speaker 2: If you go to our spotlight page on our website,
Speaker 2: just about everything is up there and there is a lot.
Speaker 2: But thank you to each and every one of you
Speaker 2: for trusting us to speak to your audiences. It's always
Speaker 2: been an honor. We've always put our blood, sweat and
Speaker 2: tears into doing the proper research for it that I
Speaker 2: think we have one more person and then like one
Speaker 2: last thank you, so go ahead, I'll have to step.
Speaker 1: It's hard to even start. You know, part of part
Speaker 1: of our text group who all of us have been creators,
Speaker 1: and except for Shannon, you know, Shannon has been part
Speaker 1: of our text group too because she's such an integral
Speaker 1: part of our friendship. But Jason, our producer, is just
Speaker 1: fantastic and we could not have done this without him.
Speaker 1: And it was a chance meeting of him through Bex
Speaker 1: and it was an instant connection. But talk about I
Speaker 1: could go on for days about how amazing he is
Speaker 1: at what he does. There are times when Jason has
Speaker 1: taken this garbled of a recording that we've done too
Speaker 1: early in the morning or too late at night, or
Speaker 1: you're dealing with kids and I'm dealing with stuff, and
Speaker 1: he has spliced together things that do what an editor
Speaker 1: does and make us sound really fantastic. His talents are amazing.
Speaker 1: And also I remember realizing that, oh, this is what
Speaker 1: you get when you work with somebody who is so gifted,
Speaker 1: is that he understands our voice, he understands our point
Speaker 1: of view, and he understands our voice on the show,
Speaker 1: and it's very different from the content that he creates
Speaker 1: and that he os for other people.
Speaker 2: So he's like our AI chatbot.
Speaker 1: He's our chatbot.
Speaker 2: Dick's what we're going to say, right, and.
Speaker 1: He's I don't know when the guy sleeps. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a wonderful father. And congratulations on the new addition
Speaker 1: to your family. I'm so excited for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, extremely talented and once he actually stepped into the
Speaker 2: space himself, we got to see that and it was
Speaker 2: so neat especially you know, right off the bat with Santa.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's been such an evolution of a friendship and
Speaker 2: a partnership and you know, having someone on our team
Speaker 2: with us right, just kind of side by side with us,
Speaker 2: and you can ask for a better, nicer human. So Jason,
Speaker 2: we thank you endlessly for your time and your work,
Speaker 2: but most of all your friendship and you a one
Speaker 2: hundred percent are like a brother to us.
Speaker 1: You know, one of the gifts that he gave us
Speaker 1: through his talents and his diligence is he took our
Speaker 1: fumblings at editing and attempts to sweeten and attempts to
Speaker 1: do all those things, and by giving him this work,
Speaker 1: or him you know, agreeing to take this work. He
Speaker 1: gave us the gift of time for us to be
Speaker 1: with our family. Yeah, because otherwise I'd be desperately trying
Speaker 1: to edit, you know, six hours a week, and he
Speaker 1: can do it with his magic hands and magic technology.
Speaker 1: That so, thank you so much for agreeing to work
Speaker 1: with us with your talents and for giving us time back,
Speaker 1: really valuable time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I think the last people to thank
Speaker 2: are our families. I reflecting on this today, have thought
Speaker 2: there have been so few sideways looks, snarky comments, unhappiness
Speaker 2: with just allowing me to do this, whether it's hey,
Speaker 2: mom's going to be locked in a room for two
Speaker 2: hours and everyone has to be quiet or keep the
Speaker 2: television down, or we just can't go do that thing
Speaker 2: that we want to do this weekend and we'll see
Speaker 2: when we get to do it, or you know, going
Speaker 2: on another trip somewhere to do a festival. My family
Speaker 2: has been absolutely incredible. Let me do my thing right,
Speaker 2: just if you want to know how to support me, Shiloh,
Speaker 2: doctor Shiloh, let me do my thing, And they have
Speaker 2: absolutely done that, never made me feel bad for doing it,
Speaker 2: and It's been an awesome opportunity for them as well,
Speaker 2: you know, trips, getting to go to the UK back
Speaker 2: to back, my daughter being inspired to start her own
Speaker 2: shows at seven years old. Ye youngest podcaster I'm aware of.
Speaker 2: So a huge, huge thank you to them. Of course,
Speaker 2: the parents, like everyone in my orbit who's engaged, listened, downloaded,
Speaker 2: passed it on to their friends, shown up at events.
Speaker 2: It does not go unnoticed, even if I am incredibly
Speaker 2: distracted during that time. Heartfelt thank you to every single
Speaker 2: one of you for your support.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a big and extensive family, and
Speaker 1: the talking about family in terms of this show has
Speaker 1: been the same experience for me. I mean, the show
Speaker 1: came at a time when my mom was already being
Speaker 1: ravaged by Alzheimer's, which was really sad because she was
Speaker 1: a brilliant, brilliant woman and she would have loved me.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she would have loved the content,
Speaker 1: but she would have loved the idea that you and
Speaker 1: I were friends and that we were doing this with
Speaker 1: our talents. And then you know my sister Anne, who
Speaker 1: passed four years ago. Three seminal people in my life
Speaker 1: have passed while I've been doing the show. But Anne,
Speaker 1: who is like just an amazing mom, She's an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing woman. She was just an amazing sister and she
Speaker 1: listened to every episode and I would go, Anne, this
Speaker 1: is so not your genre, and She's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: I like Midsummer murders, you know, she likes like the
Speaker 1: gentle English detectives goes, and I'm like, you know, I
Speaker 1: know that you support me and love me. You don't
Speaker 1: have to listen if you don't want to. No, I
Speaker 1: learned something. I do. I learned something and I feel
Speaker 1: I miss her, but I also still feel her here
Speaker 1: every day. And our families have been great.
Speaker 2: They have they have They've let us do her this
Speaker 2: crazy thing, and that's special, I mean not just we
Speaker 2: get to do it with each other, but we've had
Speaker 2: the support. Okay, So at the end here, is there
Speaker 2: anywhere other than a regular La not So confidential social
Speaker 2: media that you want to tell folks where they can
Speaker 2: follow you. Are you public, Doctor Scott?
Speaker 1: Yes, I am. I mean you can find me on
Speaker 1: threads and Instagram at doctor Underscore Scott Underscore La not
Speaker 1: So Pod, so you can find me there. We're also
Speaker 1: on discord with our Patreon, you know the shift the
Speaker 1: Patreon format is going to change, which we'll probably bring
Speaker 1: more people into Discord, and we do have some other things.
Speaker 1: We have some other things coming up once we have
Speaker 1: taken a breather, that may even offer our Patreon members
Speaker 1: sort of not certification, but actual some formal training. We've
Speaker 1: been thinking about that for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. I'm pretty much private on everything. If
Speaker 2: you guys are you know, interested at all. My Instagram
Speaker 2: for my travel blog, which I actually might start writing
Speaker 2: again and doing some more stuff or the travel blog
Speaker 2: page is called a distant mentality, and it's the same
Speaker 2: thing on Instagram, a distant mentality, So you know, I
Speaker 2: post stuff sometimes from trips on Instagram, and if I
Speaker 2: get actually writing on there again, I will definitely keep
Speaker 2: that updated. I wrote a post not too long ago
Speaker 2: just because I've been so inspired kind of by my
Speaker 2: other interests lately of travel hacking and getting all my
Speaker 2: trips paid for as they should be by now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the points and miles of it. So you can follow
Speaker 2: me over there. I will be hanging out over there
Speaker 2: from time to time. But all of our regular stuff,
Speaker 2: which you will hear at the end of this show,
Speaker 2: our normal outro will still be up and running. So
Speaker 2: even if it's not like super Active week to week,
Speaker 2: drop us a DM say hello, we will be there
Speaker 2: to say hello back.
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