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Speaker 3: We're happy to be hanging out with you on a Friday.
Speaker 4: I think the best thing for us to start with
Speaker 4: is just kind of move forward with the Lucas stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, the.
Speaker 4: Weekends, it's probably time to put a bow on all that.
Speaker 4: We'll maybe talk about it once or twice on the
Speaker 4: rest of the show, But is there any lingering Lucas
Speaker 4: stuff we need to button up before we move on?
Speaker 3: I'm quiet.
Speaker 5: I'm curious about y'all's thoughts on this because I've seen
Speaker 5: a lot of discussion out there is did the Mavericks
Speaker 5: do the right thing with the tribute video? And also
Speaker 5: do you want to conflate it or make it a
Speaker 5: different conversation about the shirts that said thank you and
Speaker 5: Slovenian like, do you put those things together? Was one
Speaker 5: appropriate where they both inappropriate? And knowing that there's nobody
Speaker 5: that I have yet to meet a single person that
Speaker 5: was for the trade, Okay, so I'm putting that aside.
Speaker 5: The trade is made, he's coming. How do you handle it?
Speaker 5: Did they do the right thing?
Speaker 4: So there's people there's so I feel so bad for
Speaker 4: people that work for the Mavericks because nobody in the
Speaker 4: MAVs wanted this, but one guy or two guys, maybe
Speaker 4: j Kid and Nico, they wanted this trade. And that's
Speaker 4: my opinion, my take, And I don't think that their
Speaker 4: new governor, even under it could have been a cricket league.
Speaker 4: He had no idea he doesn't know anything about basketball.
Speaker 4: So you have the trade happening, which probably is the
Speaker 4: worst trade in the history of professional organized sports, maybe
Speaker 4: in the history of the word trade, maybe worse than
Speaker 4: any lunch room trade. That is, it may be the
Speaker 4: worst trade ever in all of trading. And so because
Speaker 4: of that, because people fell in love with their baby
Speaker 4: unicorn that received the baton from their retiring unicorn, I
Speaker 4: think it's so hard for people to move on. So
Speaker 4: I think it's an unfair dilemma. As my point, like,
Speaker 4: I don't think some people can process it and move forward.
Speaker 4: For me, I have no problem with the love that
Speaker 4: they showed Luca, because that's what should have been done.
Speaker 3: Like thank you for everything.
Speaker 4: The people who produced that didn't trade him, right, the
Speaker 4: people who made that didn't trade him. The organization they
Speaker 4: don't get to make that decision, so but they do
Speaker 4: get to put something like that together to show that
Speaker 4: they love him, and everyone in the house was there
Speaker 4: to show him love.
Speaker 5: So I don't have a problem with it. I think
Speaker 5: before I get my thoughts, let's go around the horn.
Speaker 5: What do you think they're kt.
Speaker 6: I feel like we need certainty on I feel like
Speaker 6: I want certainty and we don't need it. I want
Speaker 6: certainty on like who's involved in what at all times
Speaker 6: with every organization. We've done this with the Cowboys for
Speaker 6: many years. Is Jerry in charge or not? Is it
Speaker 6: Steven Jones and Will McLay. How much did McCarthy have
Speaker 6: to do with decisions or Garrett? So I always like
Speaker 6: want to know that stuff. I find all that to
Speaker 6: be fascinating. And with this, obviously Nico's were in the
Speaker 6: brunt of it. When it comes to a tribute video
Speaker 6: or t shirts or anything that's posted on social media,
Speaker 6: I always get the feeling that Nico has nothing to
Speaker 6: do with any of that stuff, cause you know, we
Speaker 6: all do you know YouTube shows for the MAVs, and
Speaker 6: we put to create content. We think it's okay, and
Speaker 6: you go read the comments and all the comments are
Speaker 6: fire n Eico, and you're like, well, you didn't even
Speaker 6: watch the show. You're just saying fire and Nico, that's
Speaker 6: like disheartening to me. So I was just like, want
Speaker 6: to know who's involved in what? And I feel pretty
Speaker 6: certain that Nico and I would imagine the owner are
Speaker 6: just not that involved in the idea of, hey, we're
Speaker 6: going to do a video. I could be wrong, but
Speaker 6: I feel like they're probably not. I'm separating that I guess.
Speaker 5: Before I throw Okay, what do you think, Christina, Because
Speaker 5: you saw the video, you were there in person?
Speaker 2: I did. I felt like it was really needed because
Speaker 2: we had him just ripped away from us and we
Speaker 2: didn't get to say bye, and he's finally back here.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was necessary and I was hoping
Speaker 2: it would give us all a little bit of closure.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's what they thought as well, like
Speaker 2: we kind of get some closure from it, when it
Speaker 2: kind of did the opposite, at least for me, it
Speaker 2: really just made it all worse.
Speaker 3: But I still loved it.
Speaker 5: I thought it was it was great just to be
Speaker 5: completely transparent on stuff. When I found out they were
Speaker 5: giving away shirts, my immediate reaction was huh.
Speaker 3: Um, I don't know about that. I don't know that
Speaker 3: I would have made that decision.
Speaker 5: But then when I walked into the arena and I
Speaker 5: saw the shirts everywhere, it suddenly felt like something more
Speaker 5: special and magnificent. And what I would say about the
Speaker 5: video is I didn't even watch the full video as
Speaker 5: it happened. I went back and watched it later because
Speaker 5: I was so suddenly sucked into watching Luca's face right,
Speaker 5: and so I was like, I mean, it just it
Speaker 5: was so emotional and overwhelming, and I understand everyone's anger
Speaker 5: and frustration, and I understand having the feeling going in
Speaker 5: that how dare they do this?
Speaker 3: I understand that.
Speaker 5: I guess what I would say is, after everyone witnessed
Speaker 5: what actually happened with the video and what it did
Speaker 5: to Luca and the performance afterwards, I don't really understand
Speaker 5: having that same opinion afterwards, like you saw one of
Speaker 5: the most special sports moments you've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was Someone asked me, what was it like
Speaker 3: calling the game.
Speaker 5: I was like, it was sad and weird and awesome,
Speaker 5: Like I was so entranced with Luca all over again,
Speaker 5: and I just kept thinking about watching him cry, watching
Speaker 5: that video and then just killing it six of eight
Speaker 5: from three, Like I've seen a lot of games that
Speaker 5: are hyped up and the guy's got to go out
Speaker 5: there and man, he's got the jitters. How many finals
Speaker 5: games have you seen where they're both chunking up bricks
Speaker 5: when the biggest lights are on you. So he thought
Speaker 5: he emotionally couldn't handle what that place, and again Ben
Speaker 5: said it, ninety nine percent of the people in the
Speaker 5: Mavericks organization probably higher didn't want the trade.
Speaker 3: They loved the man.
Speaker 5: They're devastated, and they showed him how much they loved him,
Speaker 5: and it moved him to tears. So like, I understand
Speaker 5: being bitter and Jaden going, how dare they do that?
Speaker 5: But I guess I'd say, did you not see what
Speaker 5: the result of that was?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 4: It was so much love for him and so much
Speaker 4: love from him back to everyone to have his lip
Speaker 4: quivering and crying. Clearly he was never going to leave here.
Speaker 4: He loved it here right right. And I saw Lakers
Speaker 4: fans that were upset, going, man, act like you're glad
Speaker 4: to be a Laker, you're crying about it?
Speaker 1: Like God, he didn't want it.
Speaker 3: He didn't even want to be a Laker, I hear.
Speaker 5: I also heard people that I really like and respect
Speaker 5: saying things like they purposely cut out a bunch of
Speaker 5: basketball and man, they had to shorten it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: because it was in the starting lineups and one of
Speaker 5: the things that they wanted to do was they wanted
Speaker 5: and dude, there's no easy way to do this, but
Speaker 5: one of the things they wanted to do which they
Speaker 5: didn't have to do, which I think a lot of
Speaker 5: cynical people could argue made things worse, was show his
Speaker 5: connection to the community. Like I thought, the clip that
Speaker 5: stands out to me more than ning is that little
Speaker 5: girl grabbing his arm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, so, yeah, if there's anything to it
Speaker 6: that would make the them look worse to do that, right,
Speaker 6: That's why you kind of just kind of got to
Speaker 6: realize that the people who made the trade were not
Speaker 6: involved on But I do think I assume they weren't
Speaker 6: involved in the making of the video.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think it underscores how difficult this has
Speaker 5: been on everybody.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, the j Kid thing is fascinating
Speaker 4: to me. Uh you know the Babe Ruth quote before
Speaker 4: the game. Hey, it's some people are comparing the Babe Ruth.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool. I'm like, wait, what what is going
Speaker 4: on there?
Speaker 3: He saw the tim Callishaw call on my thing? What
Speaker 3: on earth are you saying?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Wow, it is it was It was a It's been
Speaker 3: a weird time. It's been a weird time. But hey,
Speaker 3: kudos to the Mavericks on doing a great job.
Speaker 4: With all that all right, Coming up next, Skin has
Speaker 4: a philosophical question for all of us that's coming up
Speaker 4: in less than four minutes, so don't miss it.